Rick Ross Drops Gems On Investing, Building A Brand, Equity, His Car Show More

wake that ass up in the morning The Breakfast Club morning everybody it's DJ Envy Angela Yee Charlemagne the guy we are The Breakfast Club we got a special guest in the building and y'all better not start arguing and fighting we're not arguing and fighting we got Rose Rick Ross is here Freddy what up Freddie what's up my boy what's up you already know man the 454 boys in the building the real classic Riders okay so so if you don't know Rickroll I mean you don't Rick if you don't know Rick Ross show he's doing a car show at his uh on the promised land his own property right now me and Ross go back and forth about cars all the time all the time but you know I'm always honest Ross and I tell him that not because he's here he probably has the biggest car collection I've ever seen probably [Music] but not 200. but let's talk about I'm gonna tell you what they say Through the Grapevine I'm gonna say they say DJ Envy got three sports cars in the Suburban they got four cars that's four okay now Freddie and you've seen the cars that I'm bringing that I have yeah yeah ain't no payments or none of them so you know but now let's talk about why did you want to do this car show well really I just felt like you know growing up I felt like the car culture was just as significant with the music culture the same way fashion is you know what I'm saying and just being real I always loved doing the Doug covers the dub interviews man I just felt like over the last 10 years the culture really been dying out if it wasn't for G's like yourself Flex Greg Street in Atlanta you know it's really been dying out so it's like we reinvested in in what we really own because the streets determine the standards absolutely not Rick Ross not Freddy not the streets determine the standards in that city the city from the west coast East and of course the South all right so let me do some comparing here all right all right so Ross what is your most valuable car that you own uh my most valuable car to me it's got to be uh one of my tray fives um I have maybe 20 tray fives you know what I'm saying 55s 56 57 ballast and what mean the most to me is not based on what I spent the most in because he's built multiple half a million dollar bills for me from the ground up frame off you know what I'm saying you know a frame off me Amy what does it mean absolutely we start from the frame off frame often there's nothing but the frame and you start from scratch all right the only reason I don't like you know old school cars is because I don't hold on you really saying that you making that statement I prefer newer cars than the old school cars because the old school cars take a lot more maintenance right now not necessarily I'm gonna be honest okay go ahead not necessarily because we all know because I have a lot of the new cars as well we have a lot of those but guess what after you put 3 000 miles on those guess what the value don't fail through the floor or for some of them once those once one of those lights come on oh my God you don't know nobody that could repair that so well Amy what's your most valuable car I got a couple probably my Ford GT my 918 but my like he said the car that means the most to me yeah that's my most dirty M3 which is a 1988 BMW that was one of the cars that the drug dealers had when I was growing up and I always wanted one so when I got a little money I bought it and that's my baby and that's what I love to hear the most because the other cars that cost two million dollars a lot of these guys will put a a quarter million dollar down payment on it keep it for a year then swap it back again once you become a part of my collection we keep you until the day I die and when he's swapping it out the lights on it ain't crank they're afraid of it nah what's the first car you ever had the first car I've ever had that had to come from my grandfather made rest in peace that was a 76 Caprice yeah it was an old school you know in the South those old schools mean a lot so when somebody give you an old school you cop your first old school because being a youngster laying in your room in the back watching that ceiling fan spin you just waiting on the first day you get that 454. that's all I ever wanted that first 454 that I owned I was gonna ask you where did you get the the the mentality to invest as much as you do right you look at a lot of artists right there's a lot of artists that that are successful right maybe artists that may be so mourning you but when it comes to investing right I don't think there's too many people in the industry that invest and has a better winning record than Ross so where did you get that mine from man that's just really gotta that that's me growing up in my household that's me coming up my father my mother my mother really gave me that blueprint and that's what we did so that's just like my love for cars my Affliction for cars we turned into a business here we are we having a car show May 21st on my property at my crib that 750 50th ticket times 750.

750 a ticket yeah yeah yeah we separate we separating the little boys from the big boys and that's what it's about because it's just not about the cause this is about networking you feel me it's big boys in here we talking big money and everybody that's got any business to do with the car culture this way you really want to be at so what you get for that 750. oh man you get a lot well when they finally told me the space they gave me the space I'm calling billionaires row I'm gonna do I'm gonna put a hundred cars in that space I'm gonna put a hundred cars and maybe 20 motorcycles you know I got race car you know I'm gonna really let them see my my tank I got a tank I showed them yeah I got a real army tank yo ready to have him put that online I got the real fire truck you know what I'm saying I got two NASCARs two real NASCARs and I'm sure I'm lining up I'm just letting people see my five rolls races at one time my this my that and like I say we don't trade nothing in so no one else is putting cars in the car could have just been all my calls and then I could have lined up the whole 200 plus but we want to really just let the culture come together we want to unify the belts it ain't about Rose having it all I want Houston because Houston going to be in there one time for my homie Lynn Turkey Leg coming down there with 20 pieces he's doing turkey's doing mine but to see the whole thing is is the best thing I like about the car show is when you go to the car show ain't nobody talking music they were you just talking about the same love for cars right no matter if you black if you white if you're young if you old it's just a collective about cars nobody wants to beef nobody you just want to sit there and talk about cars and that's what I love it for you know and for me I love to be inspired by the youngsters in the streets the little homies from West Palm the Haitians from Dade County the homies from Carolina Chicago and that's what it's about I want to see all all the whips I'm walking up who did your interior not only that I walk up on you and buy you a car from you right then cash how much you want for it little homie go get that little pocket change I want this car right now I was gonna ask so what about your grass Rose when all those cars are on your grass and they start pulling off what are you gonna do about the grass I ain't worried about that we got 400 Acres what's a few Acres now where do you put the Buffalo during this time where do the animals go oh all the animals they got their own section I got my own Zoo but Rose ain't blew the horn on me Rose ain't did a video where he blew the horn I was gonna call Animal Control to be like yeah that's enough though the animals are being disturbed right now they they sold this is so far on the other side you got to take care of animals oh man he just comes he let me pet him and I feed him apples man you should see the Buffalo eyes when he bite into the green apples man what without the horse like what do you do with the horses and all like they all love each other it ain't number love at the promised land dangerous no they not they really beautiful goodness it's a beautiful thing now let's talk music before we get back to the caution too easy what are we doing another album what's up with rose and music I'm back in the lab right now I'm back in the lab right now before the year out what inspires Rose musically dreaming big dreaming big one of the conversations I was actually having with my partner Brett my partner and that's what I when I was in Africa that's what I was talking about I was like wow this is powerful we got to Dram Big Homie we could do more let's do more yeah MMC Africa coming yeah that's coming this year I'm signing two artists from Africa I'm doing some more things here I'm uh actually announce two artists that I'm working with right now you feel me okay and so you were really inspired when you went to um where you're in Nigeria yeah I went to Nigeria I went to Angola Abuja a few different spots and I actually had a day off and it was Easter I left my homie I told my personal homie my my personal uh got Abdul I wanted to go down to the to the streets to the slums and that's what we did the cops told us yeah the cops told us we're not going there and I said that's fine and we went down there and we just showed love and it wasn't even about the money it's just when you know somebody tell you what it means um and you walk and you just see the love you you just want to feed as many people as you can and um you know I understand it's bigger ways to do it but I want to touch the people right here and see their face you know what I'm saying and then I let the uh I just sent that message out that I wanted to meet the president and and in no way am I interested in politics I just want to know what can I help and do for these people right here did you get a chance to meet with him no not yet I was gonna ask you with music I know you and meek wasn't seeing eye to eye at one time how's your relationship now man you already know man this let's stick to the business man let's get to the money that's what it's always been about let's stay focused you always feel like in this industry it's hard to have friends when you're in business because sometimes it always gets a little cloudy sometimes I'm not going to say that because I got you know real hitters man you know what I'm saying one time for Gunplay murder you know it's a lot of dudes that um you know the love is is really thick and a lot of times we do have to find out our own ways because I was that artist before when I was young and ain't know really what was going on and you know once I I work my way out of a lot of different situations and look back at them I went back to the slip and slide CEO Ted Lucas and well I appreciate that investment you made in me I recognize right now you see but back then you didn't but when you yeah yeah yeah yeah you figured like oh okay I Now understand kind of like when when your dad do something to you yeah it's just like being a young team like now I get what my dad did that yeah yeah yeah because there's a difference when you're assigned as an artist and then when you become a CEO of a label you understand why certain moves get made oh most definitely you you most definitely see what's going on and understand the business you gotta learn and understand the business for you to understand that's just like being a leader of a country you got to learn how to lead the peace before you could lead me to war you know out of all the businesses that you have whether it's the Wingstop and checkers and the music and and everything else that you're on the buildings what is the most lucrative for you or what's the most that you enjoy besides music um I get money so many different ways big homie but I'ma just let you know it's at the same time the way I move I move it I move is one you know what I'm saying you gotta try these right now the goal is to be rich forever and you have a show coming about wealth so tell me about that because I saw you post about it and we didn't have too many details I'm gonna be honest I posted about it because I had the whole film crew there and I couldn't even get along with the people for two days yeah so I said we ain't doing it no more damn that was quick yeah that was fast yeah no it's like my the way I move is too real for like a reality show or even even if you want the people they it just it's like I would have to be in control of everything that's what I think it is so you didn't like them saying let's set this scene up like no no no I couldn't do it oh no no no no no now recently I seen you bought your daughter a brand new Lambo a Lamborghini truck right now do you ever fear that giving her something that big will spoil her too much and she's not appreciative or grateful or well how big is it Lamborghini truck is Big it's 300 000 car oh I'm just asking well I'm gonna be honest man when you're on the team with rose you loyal to Rose you deserve the finest you deserve it and she's a real one you know what I mean so she understands what you know as you can see she's about her business you know what I mean she don't really get into the small talk and I respect and love her so she deserves it you collect watches as well right I do how many watches do you have you think I don't know I know I have one that maybe is worth as much as Envy's favorite actions baby how much you see him be famous and we know that and guess what I felt really comfortable today it's one of my favorite G-Shocks watch that you said is worth about 15 million now no no no no no no no no no no no no no no I just purchased that watch last year it's a three million dollar watch I got from Jacob hopefully it's at about 3. 7 now okay hopefully so yeah it's a lot of um you know places where I've seen they've sold a watch for 15 million but I've never repeated that because I wouldn't you know even repeat that as being realistic what do you think about the music industry now with all the new artists and streaming do you feel like streaming is kind of like a way of I don't want to say cheating but back then when you came out people had to actually go to the store right right it's a big difference you know it's a big difference now you can go platinum and double Platinum just being on a playlist being at the gym you know you just hear a record you're not necessarily buying it but because you're in the gym and it's on it's a lot different so what is your what is your thoughts on that really to me it's not even about what is my thought it's for the the youngsters that's in this generation it's really about what are they thoughts you understand because the last project I just released that was my last album with epic I kept it I kept it tight as possible you know clean as possible my last project ten ten albums and that album still outselling a lot of this this generation's Movement Like and it's like yo this [ __ ] is different I used to love going the best by seeing the line going all the way down the street and you know you might get a cute chick that might faint every once in a while you know and you help up and you know it's like it's it's just the love you know what I'm saying but I don't know it's like yo is this dude do the true love match the streaming numbers because I would take the love over the streaming any day and that's why I'm still performing you know I just wrapped up the legends of the street tour I'm I'm through with that but you know I'm still moving around I would rather take the love over the streaming numbers any day so I'm not impressed with that stream of [ __ ] I'm really not impressed with it what are some things that you feel like you what are other businesses that you want to get into that you haven't yet oh Rose they need to own a casino or two there's some things we need to do you got to realize uh Luke Bellaire one time for all the brand ambassadors around the world but the spirits I love that's what a rose nickname come from growing up in Miami that was just something that we did first time I was ever on Washington Ave it was at Prince club Prince rest in peace to the legend on the club that they've turned to Club level after the fact but yo when I walked in the club for the first time seeing PJ in bottles with flowers on it different color you know what the hell is that oh man that's Rose damn right you feel me and so once I got into the the game and I got to meet Brett barish one of the coolest guys in the [ __ ] game and yo I got to get up get on board with the spirits team and become a brand ambassador and just to see the brand grow just to see it spread and not just in the US I'm talking about all around the world so for me it just yo this [ __ ] is powerful this is the value we have as influences it's brand ambassadors when you partner up with an incredible brand so as far as the Young Artists they need to make these moves now right let's not wait until uh 15 years after you know you you you've seen your your best days let's do it now we're talking to Pusha T earlier and he was saying that you know one of his biggest mistakes was not getting a percentage of the McDonald's jingle that he created right la la la la I'm loving it he created that and he was like damn I didn't take it I took the money what made you say you know what I'm not going to take the money or maybe you did take the money and a percentage what made you think that at that time because everybody had alcohol you would you know what you were having you know did he was rock at one time right right what made you say nah this is the way I'm gonna do this deal really it was just about it was just about for one as much as I loved it I love this Black Bottle more than anything else you know what I'm saying that was just the way I vibed so it just fit with the rose Vibe all the way of course we know you know and so it was just natural and um just watching it grow watching it get bigger you can't just work out here you have Equity yeah yeah most definitely an ambassador you know what I'm saying but you know it's the boss you know what I mean but watching the brand grow and networking with other artists to me but that's when the artist side came into it the music the visuals the photos the connecting I mean are I'm in Africa you know working with artists that I never would have knew maybe if it wasn't for the brand and so that's why it's it's it's a much more attached to this than anything else now back to MMG who who are the artists on MMG as of right now I know it's not a Mario anymore I see you no no no no no no no no it wasn't even it wasn't even about a shot it was just most definitely you know we've moved on and moved apart we still uh Meek Wale you know one time for Wale we was on the phone yesterday we finna get ready and drop a slapper for the summer for no reason gun play Murdoch for life and then I got some underground artists that I'm really just taking my time with they on the team homies out of you know VA etc etc but um we finna kick the door and once again this summer would you make it so much money on everything else what still makes you want to do music like oh cause it's music because it's music and that's why music will always and forever be number one because that's what I love most coming here this morning yo let's listen to music you know what I'm saying I got specific requests right for it I don't just want to listen to I got specific requests so my love and passion for music the sound of Beats and watching others Prosper right watching these same dudes that was in that same position I was in for over 15 years so it means a lot more to Me Maybe than another dude that got in the game worked on this [ __ ] and blew in three years which is I respect that too but it took me 15.

what were your special requests this morning oh I told him uh slab had his his Vibe plugged in and I told him take me to that computer love error you know what I'm saying take me to that time frame and when I tell them little zones like that he know where I wanna you know what about cryptocurrency as a person who is an investor and somebody who's Savvy business-wise and I did see you at a conference right in Miami have you got into that um you know me you still got to convince me you've still got a lot of convincing to do to Rose because I love to touch it I love real estate because I could touch it don't you understand like me yeah you could touch it a car a car company can make another car but that corner you got to come by this corner that corner this address you gotta buy this address so the crypto the metaverse you got to touch this book if we gonna release books in The Meta version they have book clubs in the metaverse that's fine that's fine so nobody's trying to get you to do uh anything in the metaverse because you're a mansion and the metaverse would be crazy you know I've heard that I've heard that you could setting up the promised land in The Meta verse you could rent a room in the vet matter verse you could you know all that [ __ ] you know you still got a lot of convention I understand you know it's a lot of hustles that's gonna roll the dice I roll the dice every Blue Moon too but if we gonna be one thousand and stand on it you got a lot of companies have you used the Oculus and gone in the metaverse yet of course not of course not I think you need to do it you know why else I think you might well hey because people I think it started off as a lot of people using that like for porn you know people were doing like virtual reality all right never mind you like porn a lot well I just know that yeah no no it's just you know it's Real Talk going on correct a lot of sexual talk going on and I'll get back to you on the point I got a question for you oh God here we go I got a question let me get some chips there's been some fake orgasms going on that is true facts I missed that interview just fill me in okay 30 seconds what was that about for everybody who just seeing headlines like rose just landed from Africa woke up to the headlines I missed everything got you guys just just even if it's just 30 seconds on the fake orgasms me and my wife been together since 16 15 years old high school sweethearts okay I was at first she was my first okay we've been together 20 seconds married 20. okay so when we first started having sex intercourse I could not make an orgasm reason being is I would watch porn and the first thing you think of a porn is you go and that's what I thought was being a man and we had to have a conversation and she was basically like nah that doesn't make me have an orgasm 10 years later 10 years later honestly but we're not just you know not through intercourse through you know oral absolutely but and of course no so then when we had a conversation and we talked about it and we talked about foreplay and all the things that a man's supposed to do we were fine the reason we wrote a book we talked about it in a book because there's a lot of people that go through it and don't necessarily understand and scared to have conversations so I have to rewrote the book I would tell you my DMs and my wife DMS there's so many women talking about I'm glad y'all talking about I'm gonna have a conversation with my man tonight I'm having a conversation with my husband tonight but that's that's why we wrote the book and we'll talk about in the book that's what the book is for so you you please do with your mouth correct your jaw game was right fully on yeah absolutely thank goodness because she's she's happy she's happy absolutely she's happy absolutely yeah I had to work and figure out what's going to please my wife but there's so many things we talk about in the book like we also talk about you know um insecurities how I was insecure as a young dude and the reason I was insecure was when my wife went out we going out to the club I you know it's people that got more money than me that's smarter than me that I thought looked better than me so as a young dude I was insecure I had to grow out of it then once you get out of it and you become an into your own skin you become different and you know we talk about in the book because people feel that way and a lot of times people don't talk about it so like you look at Charlemagne's book he talks about mental health people were scared to talk about mental health nobody ever talked about it but that book opened up a lot of conversations opened a lot of conversations do you think anybody ever do Ross I'm gonna tell you this I I can't tell you what somebody did but when I'm Rose in this Zone you can't fake that mess they make for rose that splash your thought the fire the fire alarm came on the way that Splash come out so if you could fake that was you a hell of a [Laughter] that's what I look forward to I got a question for you have you faked the orgasm I know I've never faked it but I will not always orgasm so I never pretended I was but I've I will tell you if I didn't but a woman cannot have an orgasm every single time and it could still be good but it's harder for us so maybe like 70 of the time it happens 30 it might not because y'all sometimes finish too fast okay so I have another question you won't mind me asking go ahead you don't mind no I'm a lip service person so okay I like the way that sounds but uh are you a squirter no you're not um is that a good thing or a bad thing um it's probably I mean I guess guys like it right yeah some people think it's really messy Sometimes women get a little embarrassed because it can be really you know all over the place like do you change the sheets every time uh women's how to change those sheets can you go to sleep in it or you have to do it right away um you could doze off after you enjoyed that bottle of blue that bottle of that bottle of pink you could most definitely dose off your beard you have to get up and wash it out right away or oh no you might you you that sounded the way you said it that sounded like a good thing but showering up as you may want to freshen up you know right that's a good thing but you do want that and wherever that goes that you could take that okay take that we'll take notes yeah yeah yeah yeah now let me you know what I always wanted to ask you too oh boy you always wanted that you always wanted but not always what happened on the 85 South show where you just got up and left I think I was just really in the zone I was smoked out good I was in the zone when I'm in the zone and get one of the money calls I just ease out that Mama like he's in the club when I found out about it it was it was already everywhere online I ain't even realize it I went to the bathrooms on the phone smoked one and you go outside and you just leave them my little homies too man they're my little homies and it was a cool interview you know we smoking we chilling and [ __ ] man I was like what the hell happened you eat some of those chips I know I was eating these chips so Andy was telling his story shut up you stopped eating the chips when he was talking about the yeah I was not seeing him while he was telling him it was interested in me it was like eating popcorn um now have you ever faked an orgasm nah I ain't gonna fake no I guess Baby if you'll make me enjoy myself I'm not gonna fake no orgasm to please you now so you'll just stop oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah if it ain't this ain't right just leave yeah this ain't right the same way I did that interview yeah I'll be right back yeah I'll go in the bathroom flush that condom and you hear that door slam goof this the day County Legend Freddie for everybody that don't know we you know this today County Legend I was hearing about him building cars many many years before I got my paper all the way right homie done built Classics you know what I mean I'm talking about he was the only one really with six fours in the hood in Dade County in Carol City it was others but dog was really doing it and I just want to make sure he get that proper introduction absolutely I'm sending him one of my car my car should be there next week but talk about Ross's love for cars and how many cars he buys all the time and where his cars are from Houston to Atlanta to Miami to Mississippi and all his cars talk about some of Ross's lover cars it's funny right because um he uh he's like like a grown kid when it comes to cars he really really enjoys this yo look he just bought that it's like all day long he's sending me texts of things that he's buying he just bought an army truck wow when we was kids there was a show called MacGyver I remember white guy loved him this was his tank it's called a pig it's not a van this is a real tank yeah so you gotta always be prepared so how do you search all these vehicles because he has over 200 Cars I need help I need help I need help the team yeah I was just flying back and forth he'll just call me a fly up here and I'll just have to show up the next day how do you get somebody to wash those Vehicles a team just bring a car wash crew in hey man y'all knock half off y'all start here what is your monthly bills or maintenance and car cleaning what is that what is that that bill on the property yeah we got something like that we most definitely finna build our own huge Museum well we could do our own everything paint this that this that this that this that yeah they got warehouses with yeah yeah yeah we built shops uh we got tons of lifts in there I mean it's just a full it's like some of the cars that he has right you know he's not driving like the Nascar driver you drive on the street of course not well he tried he got enough space man we're gonna buy a race track crazy man I don't know his car show might be better than yours come on of course watch your mouth May 21st the Rick Ross car show of course is crushing DJ Envy's car show it is mine is July 8th in Atlanta that's right okay and I'm shipping my cars to you yeah that's what the real one said I better get two different audiences for you guys too it don't matter you'll be surprised well I mean it stuck acrosses but I feel like um you know for envies is going to be like a kids you know oh you're the kids yeah we the big boys that's right it's for family I got six kids I like to bring my kids mine is for family but this you know 750 this is for people who really are into cars and nothing for cars and really looking for possibly buying cars and selling cars that's what I'm saying it's like two different types of events right it's most definitely two different type of Vibes but at the same time it's ultimately for the quarter call lovers because I go to Envy [ __ ] any any time he coming we make sure we always a part of it you know what I mean whatever is that absolutely Freddie hit me Let's Line them up let's go and you're giving somebody uh uh oh okay is it one winner three three winners three best show winners this is gonna be best of shows best of shows yeah best of shows so it could be old new it doesn't matter correct truck car you know probably a bike and those keys are how much are each one of those keys these skis are worth 25k wow let's see these kids hey one time for my hey [ __ ] homie quino bomber clock about me yes you understand but never I never understand me only over a stand everything so look we giving away three of these one side classic GM other side double all letting them know we go from the classics to the foreign if it's a Ferrari Enzo that's fine Rose got several Ferraris you dig you Lambos whatever it is and then you know the classics that's what I love the most I love those cars my grandfathers was driving so how can people register if they want to register right now www. rick rosscarshow.

com Andy what you giving away not giving away no all right I'm gonna put it around their neck so that yo and I'm gonna tell you the media the media opportunity for the homies that want to just show their cars off because there's a lot of homies that just love their whips who just want the world to see their taste they Vibe the work that they put in and that's what it is and I'm gonna have it's gonna be millions and millions of people tuned in and we're gonna put these around your neck the homie Freddie gonna reward award one on my award one we're gonna award a third one we gonna you know get ours of course you feel me and yo that's what it's about the culture man all right let's see it we will be down there the 21st of May and uh make sure you register go on the website right now if you just want to be a spectator or if you want to be Media or if you want to be a sponsor a vendor or food truck they have those as well no food truck sold out right yeah sold out yeah we got 15 food trucks so it's gonna be something like a fair you're gonna be able to eat drink you know what I'm saying and just enjoy yourself on some real good Positive Vibes and look at the whips it's gonna be cars for sale bikes for sale and you're gonna just get to see the work of some of the greatest homies from all around the world and like I say homies is on a a game they bringing the toys out so bring them out the garage man let the streets see them you feel me my car's in the shop right now so they will be there I'm gonna get them Nicks get them Nicks out the car I'm bringing my my 55 pickup and then I'm gonna break you know the Lexus coupe the OLX is cool I like that c400 one day I'm gonna get it in the car show that's too easy you envy you know how to change the oil on your car don't you nope you don't you of course I still cut my grass I cut down trees I don't think she does he does I don't you cut you drive the machine yeah I seen him but I don't believe it you don't believe me he cuts his grass I'm coming in I want to see you cut the ground I want to see you cut the grass next time I want to see I understand what we doing is unbelievably one time for Doug magazine Man dub magazine everybody who remember dub and love dub one time for Doug magazine you know who else I got love for that I want to work with is mansury it is it is it was actually one that Jay Leno showed me the joint with the one seat all the the um the McLaren yeah yeah no you know why clef owned one of those and bought it for like nothing and then sold it and then a shout out to earth now it's worth like 20 million I was going to say his he told me at the time was worth 17.