[Music] your desecration of reality i mean british museum filled with robots this show's great six chairs we should tell him the truth i can't believe they put that in the trailer what it still blows my mind yo get out of here man like it's just it's i can't even believe it it's happening it's happening it is happening and uh what a new chapter of mcu multiversal history we are now entering i can't believe it welcome back to new rockstars doctor strange in the multiverse of madness just through the multi-virtual doors wide open and that door
is in the shape of an x that opens from the middle because now we have patrick stewart charles xavier from the fox x-men films leader of the illuminati but what is the illuminati did we all just become q and on followers and what the box x-men this is inside marvel new rockstars weekly marvel reaction show i'm eric boss i'm here with mt dude that trailer blew my mind just straight on open i can't i need to know what those little like ultron little bots are doing there and like the illuminati scenario like why did we
see everybody sitting in the chairs this trailer was surpassed my expectations blew my mind yeah where are the other uh three the other three are like still in the bathroom they're like right sorry everybody sorry sorry just blow out of illuminati toilet paper and what's his name oh he's one of the doctor strangers okay [Laughter] i mean mt you remember just a few weeks ago here on inside marvel we looked ahead to multiverse madness and wondered if professor x might show up in this movie hell my big prediction for 2022 and our what we got
wrong 2021 episode was was really just that the fox x-men would show up in multiverse of madness patrick stewart included that felt like a pretty big reach and then thank god less than two months in i've avoided another mephisto gate because it is happening it is already happening we know from the trailer happy valentines but um in order to figure out professor x's role in this movie we really got to talk about why the illuminati is so important in the emcee why it had to be the illuminati if it is even the illuminati because that
oh bro i feel it about bones it feels like illuminati to me i hope so yeah it's illuminati now um before we get to this there are some brand new shirts available at epicheroshop.com inspired by our lord and savior mephisto the unofficial marvel mascot here in new rockstars they're both really really cool designs uh one is a uh like a word search and there's some other easter eggs hidden in there you know i love a shirt with easter eggs just get anything to get people staring at my chest for longer than a second before they
throw up immediately so that shirt's one there's this other shirt that's like in the style of a swedish death metal album cover that i think i love even more uh both are amazing uh and you can find those in all kinds of unique marvel inspired designs over at epicaroshop.com and newrockstarsmerch.com whatever is easier for your little thingies to type uh now mt what's our question kicking off this week here at new rockstars bro i gotta ask you bro what the [ __ ] is marvel's illuminati and why is patrick stewart charles xavier part of that
team because it sounds like the illuminati of real life it's like the sketchy oh we're controlling the government but is that the same thing eric yes everything is i have to i have to say when you said what the fox it's it's not like in our script outline so i'm like whoa if he's going hard to hear it as something else for a second i forgot that we were doing that now let's let's explain what marvel's illuminati is not to be confused with the the real-life uh conspiracy theory illuminati of uh the shadowy cabal that
yeah i don't actually believe in it yeah it makes you wonder that they might actually change the name of this lineup in the mcu just to a wrong conclusion the way that like in archer they changed the name of the organization from isis because oh my god yeah there was a lot of isis things in the past that were just like um well uh so in the comics marvel's illuminati was created by brian michael bendis in 2006 it was formed after the cree squirrel war and this group came together to prevent earth from coming under
attack from future advanced alien races the the different groups of marvel heroes all thought like you know we should kind of like have each other's backs to prevent all of us from being destroyed so really the brightest minds from each of these divisions of humanity joined forces in what was a secret society kind of like a u.n world security council but without any kind of public awareness of what they were doing and this lineup included tony stark who uh this is really his idea you could say uh he was you know of course the leader
of the avengers and he represented the the common man with no natural superpowers other than you know a brilliant ability to engineer pretty much anything um but he's the one person on this group who's like that uh then you have charles xavier of course the leader of the x-men uh and there on behalf of mutant kind and then reed richards leader the fantastic four considered at this point to be the bright brightest scientific mind on earth uh doctor strange sorcerer supreme and the expert in all things mystic uh and then you have black bolt someone
we have not met in the mcu uh he's the king of the inhumans uh well you could argue if the inhuman series on abc was mcu cannon i don't think anyone really argues that uh but uh yes the inhumans the the group of the um the cree genetic experiment on the moon who look out for us black bolts actually a pretty cool character yeah i love black bald my dude he says the word can level a mountain i actually have a huge fan of the inhumans in the comics but like the way that they've been
handled obviously in live action not the best but like black vault super cool yeah very cool guy uh and he was included on the team really to try to connect mankind to their ancestry because you know inhumans obviously super old uh then you have namor king of atlantis who represents the whole anterior mindset because he's a bad boy now namor uh in the mcu has been speculated to be cast as tanakh huerta perhaps for uh black panther wakanda forever uh we'll see that hasn't been confirmed yet it's just been kind of speculated rumored really one
of my favorite details about tanaco who's i believe a pretty good actor uh he uh is in the movie spectre in that elevator in the opening long take following uh james bond during the dia de los muertos celebration there's a part where he just goes in an elevator and there's another guy making out with a woman in the elevator that is uh our future neymar in the mcu oh we'll find out okay so tony stark yeah he initially brought in black panther but black panther backs out he doesn't trust this association will be best for
wakanda um now in the multiverse of madness trailer doctor strange comes before a tribunal of six chairs one of which is definitely occupied by patrick stewart charles xavier which is just insane so nice that's why we're jumping to the conclusion that this is illuminati six chairs one of them being professor x it being connected to perhaps iron man and uh and doctor strange um they might just give it a different name but it's going to be essentially what the illuminati is however however comic fans will know that like in the marvel comics the illuminati isn't
really a multiversal governing body or tribunal that's new to the mcu but i would say in order to get perfect professor x on this the professor x that we would immediately recognize and get excited about it kind of needs to be a multiversal body not to say that everything they do will be like a multiverse matter uh but i think this is like the opportunity to introduce an important function for the illuminati that we have not yet seen in the mcu and get them very excited about them i don't think there's any problem making them
a multiversal governing body well they sort of are in the comics in a way i mean like they're they're not to this extent because they seem like a more like a council of rick's type of like body here in the mcu but in the comics like they though they were you know stationed on earth they did sort of try to stop the multiversal incursions from happening into our reality so in that way i think they're just they're doing that but like in an extra way in the mcu which i'm really excited yes yeah i guess
what i'm saying is like they definitely are aware of the multiverse and threats that come from the multiverse in the comics but they're really just on one side of that battlefront uh whereas like now they're like above it all i think that's fascinating to show them this way because it gives us an opportunity to uh bring in these characters some of whom might stay in the mcu permanently going forward or some who might come back in other forms and some might just show up in this movie as we saw in rick and morty council of
rex as you mentioned like they are seem like this huge organization that like rick pretty quickly deals with it and rick and morty is 100 in this movie's dna of course the latest draft was written by mike waldron showrunner on loki so all the parallels you're seeing between this movie as it's presented in this trailer in loki that's not by accident i think he's basically taking the loki formula of a multiversal bad boy uh who gets and caught gets arrested and brought in front of this tribunal of oddballs and then he kind of ends up
either burning the place down or tasked with protecting the place um from some either even worse threat of something that he was involved with so there are really like three questions that i have about this version this particular lineup of the illuminati question one who else is on it who is that complete roster of it uh two how did this organization form and three what role do we think it will play in the future of the mcu and i want to start empty with speculation on who else could be on this lineup let's run through
all the possible candidates the people that we've seen in this trailer people speculated to be in this movie awesome people who we think should be on it uh of course starting with charles xavier uh can we just talk about patrick stewart being in this movie bro the man is not sweating for work and let the student ask picard this dude is on a roll like this dude is just working man and i'm so glad to see him just see that connection finally it's like hello it's finally the x-men i hope he just says that looks
at the camera it's time for the fox x-men everyone and i have to say like i i i 100 agree it's insane and he like it hits me more emotionally almost than seeing andrew garfield and toby maguire that might sound sacrilege to some of you guys i grew up with all of these characters 100 but like and if they can get tobey maguire to come out of his weird exile to show up in these movies yeah they can get patrick stewart you know patrick stewart shows up everywhere he uh back when um back when live
comedy was a thing there's an amazing improv show called improvised shakespeare that is based out of chicago but does uh shows everywhere and he randomly dropped in with improvised shakespeare they they improvised iambic tamiter and they're so amazing and he dropped in and just did a show with them of course he's a trained shakespearean actor he's done plenty of shows in his lifetime but so this guy is just happy to show up he's just a super music dude but like hearing his voice in this trailer like to me the the kevin feige era of marvel
movies started with patrick stewart agreed to be uh professor x like someone who grew up with the 90s x-men series i thought like as a you know as a kid i was like oh that's perfect casting and he's never proven me wrong and every time he shows back up he was really i mean along with uh hugh jackman he was the lifeblood even when like hugh jackman was a part of the movie when when just like patrick stewart could could walk up and everything felt okay you know it felt like we were in good hands
like he's basically like the first superhero shepherd because like he he's the head of the head of the mutant academy so like he's like hey come on superheroes so like seeing him sort of like shepherd doctor strange in a way it's like oh we need to tell him the truth like sort of like just shepherding him in on the the multiversal scene i think it's really special to see yeah and and you know unlike toby and andrew i never went through any like petty faces in my life where i was like like i was a
little disappointed with what patrick stewart brought to the table you know i never was like oh okay i never like pretend to be cool with some lame friends by like dissing him so like it's only just been pure wholesome joy and delight at seeing this guy involved with anything um okay so we have charles xavier i think the one confirmed lineup of this uh a member of this uh and obviously he would represent mutant kind so let's run through the other divisions of the marvel world uh the mystics the mystics i have to imagine some
sorcerer supreme is on this panel and i think the likeliest option is mordo based on the trailer i think the mortar we see in this trailer is immortal from another dimension in which he is sorcerer's supreme yeah i big time agree i think that you know this mordo is really concerned about stopping you know doctor strange's in particular from messing up the the multiverse and you know in the passover supreme the ancient one definitely if if this council was around she was on it there's no doubt in my mind that she was aware and so
um you know i think that if that seat was a bit vacant then that sort of supreme mortal from another universe could have taken her spot and um you know could have been helping them out and is who sort of shepherds or brings this uh doctor strange in i'm assuming so yeah more that mordo seems like a really big candidate i think so and i think he may be the hooded guy who's sitting off to the right um but um another person we see in this trailer is someone who is like this mysterious figure fighting
wanda maximoff and there's a lot of speculation on who this is if it could be like the superior iron man uh tom cruise we'll get to him later i think in this case this person we're seeing is actually some variant of captain marvel or more likely photon spectrum monica rambo maybe maria rambo i just think looking closely this is very clearly a woman of color she has a womanly figure she's fighting wanda in this moment i think having wanda reunite with monica rambo after they were both involved in the battle of west view and one
division i think that's a very exciting matchup um and and i think what they might be doing here is uh acknowledging the black bolt connection to this lineup because the inhumans are cree experiments and captain marvel and her whole corner of the marvel world all is kind of a mix of humanity with cree technology of course derived from the space stone but it is uh kind of the cree project tahiti that that led to the version of carol danvers that we saw in the mcu and we don't really know fully what monica rambo's history is
with carol danvers but we know she has some history and i think her powers being similar to captain marvel isn't an accident isn't a mistake so i i i'm wondering if like a a super powered photon monica rambo in an alternate timeline uh leading the avengers as monica rambo does at one point lead the avengers and comics uh i think that's the version they're going with and i think she's representing the the extraterrestrial experiment on human uh on humanity uh that black bolt actually was oh yeah definitely i think that um i think that's a
really good assessment for sure and about there's also like uh other fan theories going around like you mentioned this earlier with maria rambo and how this could be like a what if version of like what if it was maria instead of carol and she got the powers which would be really cool because i was really sad to see her be you know killed off at the beginning of one division which was a bummer because i loved her in captain marvel and so it would be dope to see her come back and for potentially her and
monica from our universe is just to have a little goodbye that they never really had got but when she passed away with this variant mother so i would love to see a maria but no a photon monica rambo like you said because we had we saw that sort of like a teaser face-off in one division with uh with wanda like sort of throwing her around um so i it would be good to see them like actually face off like monica versus wanda in in multiverse badass i really love that theory that uh it could be
this what if scenario of maria rambo uh callsign photon who ended up getting the the captain marvel powers you know i i think that would be awesome to see and especially if like we consider this lineup um some people who come back uh in the multiverse uh or some people it's kind of the door is kind of left open some people we might just see once and we just kind of explore it here uh that kind of like that episodic feel to it is one thing that rick and morty has some characters you might see
just as one episode any character you could see come back we don't feel like married to anything um that kind of sense of opportunity is is one thing that i really love seeing coming in the mcu all right let's talk about reed richards uh there is one like skinny stringy figure sitting in one of those chairs and i think now if you're bringing in if you're bringing in patrick stewart you're bringing in the mutants you got to bring in fantastic four even if it's not the reed richards you're gonna stick with going forward some alternate
reality version of reed richards uh looking at that silhouette i don't think it's john krasinski uh it'd be hilarious if they got joan griffith from the uh 2005-2007 one i know in in fans minds that that's not like the definitive anything i would but like you're just bringing him back once bro like he needs to come to the fmcu like as a mainstay as the maker bro because the maker is one of like the coolest or in my opinion like the coolest mcu or coolest marvel villains rather um because if you guys don't know the
baker is like an evil version of reed richards from the ultimate universe if griffin came back as a mr fantastic and just like was like oh i'm good and then he was like i'm secretly evil and like i'm turning this council evil now i would love that it would be the best turn and like it would really help incorporate that original fantastic four team to a potential secret wars narrative down the road um so i would really dig that now if they aren't ready to introduce reed richards i i had a theory that i went
into in the breakdown that um there could be a version of the the richards family tree that descendants of having perhaps suggesting that kang or nathaniel richards or he remains some kang variant either is currently or was a member of the illuminati i just think it's interesting that kang's citadel that he he remains citadel has some uh visual similarities to uh to whatever this citadel the illuminati is that is shot in uh in the british museum in london i love that they use that set um it's not a set it's a museum but it's it
looks so cool it's one of my favorite places in the world uh and they just filled it with these weird looking statues uh the fact that there's like four winged statues and that kang he remains had four statues one of them broken in his inner chamber the the fact that like the illuminati is kind of setting up a judicial body that oversees multiversal uh uh criminals you know uh i just think there's like it feels like kang split away from somebody and he started his version of it but didn't give enough of a [ __
] to like make it a really cool looking one and instead just chose his quirky 70s style bureaucracy just as like a maddening torture device for anyone he who gets sucked into it um like almost felt like he was parodying the self-seriousness of the illuminati so he created the tva is like what you guys are doing is stupid right and i'm going to show you how stupid it is by creating my own but he's still pissed off that he was like excommunicated from it so i don't know you could have like a nathaniel richards be
either a founding member or a past member of it maybe a current member another nathaniel richards um variant who wasn't turned because like this is the council of the smartest minds in the multiverse and kang is literally the smartest mind of the multiverse like as well as we know so like it would make sense for him to be part of this group at some point i mean i would just love to see uh jonathan majors on that panel i want to see like john of the majors in the scene with patrick stewart oh my god
it would be insane there will be markers and maybe it'll happen in the future if like kang himself like kang prime shows up of course that's i mean kang's coming to the mcu in all kinds of ways absolutely um okay so we talked about it tony stark we see the ultron centuries before we see anything else right which tells us that stark tech whether it's ultron or a version of tony stark himself is showing up there's been a lot of chatter for years that at some point in the mc we're gonna see tom cruise show
up as an alternate version of tony stark which seems crazy but the fact that toby shows up patrick stewart shows up can they convince the insane tom cruise to show up in this movie i think playing a very very cool version of tony stark from another dimension is something that tom cruise could do a tropic thunder style cameo to do i bet you could talk him into doing that oh yeah for sure i think that he would be 100 game to do that and plus it's a marvel studios check the man's gonna take his money
and like it would be and like he was rumored to be uh he wasn't he like uh in the running to be tony stark at one point he was back in the back when they were deciding on robert downey so it would make a lot of sense for to like give it to him just be like hey do you want to be that tony stark character that you wanted to be even though it's just a quick cameo and like they'll probably end up killing him off like let's be real um and this would be one
that i don't know if we would uh permanently stay with right like he would be in this movie and then would not last beyond it it would be a nice little like fun cameo for the people that like knew about his his um trying out for the role and all that but like i just don't think it's gonna stick for a very long time but it does make sense for a tony stark variant to be on this council because he's one of the smartest minds in the marvel universe and he's all about protecting the multiverse
or the the people at all costs so he has to be on this panel those uh handcuffs that they put doctor strange in seem like a fusion of like mystic tech like sorcerer tech the way the runes kind of twist and lock in place but also it's just so chunky and metallic it feels like stark tech it feels like something he designed to be part of his his ultron century program and this honestly looks like if tony stark's ultron protocol was successful and he could actually have uh the suit of armor around the world vision
that he pitched in uh straight up the iron right there yeah yeah and this is the iron legion the ultron designs kind of an ai interface and it works so imagine what would happen to tony stark if he was successful in that and just saved the earth with with the iron legion all controlled by ultron and it did actually listen to him and listen to jarvis you know like this is what we're seeing now it but also it would give you a very arrogant tony stark who never learned his lesson uh and might just be
at the top of his power the top of his narcissism i'd love to see what version of tony stark we're talking about a super tech savvy one but one that uh has learned nothing you know if it's tom cruise i hope he jumps on his chair like the operator we did mention that um that the captain marvel x figure in the trailer and how it could be the superior iron man and um there is i mean i do think that it's more likely to be a maria or monica miramo but um if it was a
superior iron man we do see that um you know this this figure is covered in this like orange glow so i'm just thinking like what if this is a superior iron man that is that perfected the killian extremist technology oh and just operated it into a suit it's like all right now we can use this power with my suit to you know just do cool things because that's the only way i could really see this being a superior iron man like people are thinking that it is because like i don't understand why his suit would
be glowing like that but that's that's i'm just yeah that's a good point we would need to see some kind of technological advancement from the nanotech mark 80 or mark 85 i think was the last we saw tony and i think making it true bleeding edge something that is inside of his flesh that comes out of his cells you know i think that's the way you step up the game and yeah having something that's like extremist technology would be one way to do that for sure let's talk about three people who we saw in what
if because this trailer very much feels like what if vibes it's like yeah canonizing what if officially they're making it live action there's so many elements from it there's ultron infinity seeing those ultron sentries seem like oh maybe the way they trap characters like ultron infinity and killmonger infinity is by forcing them to be part of this council i feel like they wouldn't play ball those two um but realistically do we think we could see jeffrey wright live action who want to the watcher on this panel i feel like he would participate i feel like
we might get a cameo of the him talking to the council like standing in front of them and just being like hey something's going on i think that's likely because like you don't cast someone like jeffrey wright and just only regulate them to just a voice in an animated show i think that we'll definitely see him but ultron infinity on the council would be bonkers and but i would love it i would love to see james spader coming back proper and just doing his thing i mean i think like uwatu the watcher might consider himself
above the the illuminati council right even if they are a multiversal one like he did seem kind of worried that he violated some rules you know at the end of what if and then he did it anyway he's like sure you go have fun he did seem to like worry that he was going to have to have an awkward conversation with someone that could have been with the illuminati he could have been like look i made all these promises to the illuminati and i basically just lied so i have to go talk to them now
um so i don't know if that means he's a member of them or just like he's kind of their like elder in the corner who kind of guides them he could have said maybe he put this group together and he's like like i need you guys just to kind of help keep everything in check to reign it all in honestly mt i think the most likely member of the illuminati uh from what if would be captain carter we saw her shield show up on the poster yeah and i honestly believe that weird statue in the
british museum of a warrior with the sword in a circular ring is a reference to captain carter's return from the past after slaying the squid beast she came in with the sword in a similar pose through a ring just like that i think captain carter is either like their captain america they're like we have to honor this person she uh is a multiversal warrior she's the leader of uh the guardians of the multiverse uh in her either in her memory or having her be the founder or kind of the team captain of that team i
think having hayley at while sitting on that dais by the others i think that would be perfect perfect way to bring it back in absolutely i mean agent carter is a founding member of shield after all so having captain carter be a founding member of whatever this council is makes a lot of sense because she's just like tony stark she's all about protecting people and she's all about i'm doing whatever um it takes and like she was one of the founding members of the guardians of the multiverse so now that that group has disbanded and
she has all this knowledge of a greater scope of the the universe of the multiverse she's gonna want to be on this on this panel and she's going to be a valuable um just asset because she is she's aware of everything going on so yeah captain carter for sure there's another opportunity here i don't know how many of the seats we filled i think we might have filled six of the seats right now but we haven't filled six we're making organization 13. [Laughter] right there's like the neymar represented just kind of the everybody else the
other weirdos on earth like the kind of wild card spot if it's not neymar if they don't want to go there yet if they don't want to use this opportunity to introduce namor i wonder if that wild card spot could be seated by blade or victor von doom someone to represent the dark magic side yo who's not necessarily tied in with the doctor strange sorcerers but a different kind of like the the supernatural side of the mcu i mean yo if we have a multiverse that means there's going to be a multiverse of like darker
weirder like vampire threats werewolf threats all those types of threats so it does make sense for a blade to be on the council to just sort of advise on that side of things i mean though we do have like you know your doctor strangers and your your um your mortals potentially on this council um but i i just think that they deal with a certain different side of the magic universe where blade deals with the more um bloodier and gruesome size right less less magic and more just stab it you know so i am yeah
i would love to see blade sitting there i just i just don't know if he'd be interested in going to the meetings i got better stuff to do he's like how many people do we kill a day not really a lot he's like [Laughter] doom is a huge candidate here because he is one of the smartest fighters in the marvel universe and he just he does care about the preservation of humanity and in life because he he's just evil he's just he's he's not a bad dude well he's a bad dude but he's just he's
not super super evil he doesn't want destruction he just wants to protect people so he would be on this council i would love to see him and read richards on the same council and bickering just being like i hate you but we got to work together to stop this because there's a greater this is greater than us yeah i think doom would be a fast or some version of doom right um but i think like if we're if we're imagining people who actually want to participate in student council in high school that also rules out
people like deadpool deadpool could cameo in this movie very likely what came in this movie i just don't think he'd be interested in sitting on that board i don't think they would want him on that board but that said i think he's going to show up in some other way oh yeah he's going to show him something totally it'd be weird to just have one of them be an oddball but what about um doc ock and norman osborne do you think that they could potentially be on this panel in a world where sony is really
heavily involved in this maybe it just feels like this is now kevin feige's opportunity to flex right you know i know sam raimi's directing it i know sam raimi has these relationships with willem dafoe with doc and doc definitely both of them seem very enlightened gents when they're headed back to their home realities and potentially with doc one coming back with stark tech with advanced tech and might send him now on a timeline where he can do crazier experiments i think uh in a world where i think sony is more altruistic in helping disney succeed
on its own and sony not really getting much money for that i think sure but otherwise i think any cameos in this movie if marvel spends money but loads of money getting uh a sony property cameo in this movie it's gonna be it's gonna be toby you know it's gonna be one of these others that we just saw and uh i could imagine toby sitting on this panel i mean madame webb seems like a good person to be sitting on this panel yo that's a really good idea because like she was cast and like maybe
there's a reason why she was cats and that the news came out and that she's just in multiverse of madness that's a really good idea my view of this all is that illuminati is just going to be specifically mcu uh leaders of different quarters of the multiverse and then uh dealing with the illuminati on the sony side will be ambassadors from the sony verse like madame webb you know so they're going to have their own multiversal body that sometimes negotiates with the illuminati [Laughter] now we're going to talk about how this group came together some
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empty let's talk about our uh our next theory here uh i kind of want to hear from you how do you think this version of the illuminati formed i mean i have this weird feeling that this console could have been for me you brought this up earlier as a response to kang potentially this could just be a secret just counsel just to prevent forces like kang and your you know your alliance and your your dormammus and all that from invading our the various universes so i i don't really know there's a lot of multiverse madness
so it could be a number of things but what do you think it could be another thing i think kang is the likeliest culprit right uh either he was there at the beginning and then fell from grace like lucifer or he started his own kang empire his own kang dynasty and then other multiversal figures are like well we have to have a way to protect us like like to hear kang tell it to sylvian loki in that final loki episode it sounded like he was like the first scientist to discover the existence of the multiverse
and not maybe maybe to discover the existence obviously scientists in our day and age have already theorized in pine about the multiverse but actually to shake hands with a variant of himself it seems like kang was the first to do that and that's why he's so powerful now as he kind of figured it out and then all those kings killed each other off and there was one one last survivor gang that was the most fearsome and the deadliest he is really the one who made the multiverse such a mess and and rigged it and the
way it is so rigged now uh created this this sacred timeline and created this situation where branches are just you know crossing the wrong street causes everything to fall apart like it shouldn't be that way it should allow to be flexible into ebb and flow and without having to prune things you know right so i think he's the one who kind of rigged it a specific way and needs it to go a specific way uh meanwhile you've had other other characters who in their timelines have made the same discoveries just like it's hard to say
win it's hard to say compare time here because it's all kind of happening at the same time but just like we're late to the the four-dimensional game compared to kang characters like this version of charles xavier this version of iron man etc uh so they've kind of rallied together and i do like this idea that if it's not kang himself that his descendant or his really his ancestor reed richards is the one who realized the future of what his family tree creates uh and tries to get ahead of it and tries to respond to it
just because in the comics reed richards is really the one who kind of is the most aggressive with trying to use the multiverse to solve problems for sure he's the one who thinks the hardest about this stuff i mean i would like a trash can to the negative zone for a bit which is kind of funny yeah right like this is the guy who i would imagine approaching five other people and saying look okay so i'm gonna have uh a thousand years from now a descendant of mine is really just gonna screw everything up it's
already happened so can you help me you're really smart can you help me uh just kind of rain things in with it with a governing body it's just so interesting that in the trailer patrick stewart says we should tell him the truth and i and i'm dying to know what that truth is i think the truth is that like really it's not your fault everything is screwed up it's this guy's fault and reed is like guilty sorry um so we need you to help us fix it you're really great at this i also just like
the truth that like simply they the mcu we've been living in is is wrong because it doesn't have mutants in it and we've just been gas-lit from the beginning that it's okay not to have anything bananas and they're like so we're gonna fix that and it seems like what this movie is destined to do especially with the most famous mutant from movies in it wolverine might be more famous but um yeah this is true now uh one more question we want to address what's gonna happen to the illuminati after this movie or in this movie
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illuminati whether or not it's going to be this particular people on the panel i think that in the future the mcu we're going to be dealing with the incursions and what the incursions are they're basically um the precursor to the secret war scenario where the different timelines or universes are kind of just crossing over with each other and basically one universe has to die in order for the other universe to live so i think that they're setting it up this scenario by introducing the illuminati in this movie and then having the illuminati just sort of
be like the the avengers or like the the force sort of dealing with this bigger threat of like all right everything's breaking for real and like the timelines are coming together so like we have to stop this so i think that that's that's sort of like what we're getting here but what do you think yeah i think that's a really good idea empty especially if we assume that the next avengers movie is going to be secret wars i think if you imagine like a world war breaking up literally a world's war breaking out right uh
who is the the governing body the league of nations trying to prevent that from happening and i think that's the illuminati in this case right they're gonna try to use negotiation uh try to use diplomacy to try to prevent those threats from breaking out into an all-out war and i think when this group inevitably fails that's when we're gonna have secret war um happening on battle world maybe you have a doctor doom is just like screw that that governing body it's gonna be more fun if we could have spider-man fighting hulk you know please battle
world please battle world yeah i love it but i think ultimately we should look at this organization as like rather than a definitive never changing body like the time keepers of loki these are really just puppets that are destined to be uh slain or replaced uh or not to say that we'll never see any of them ever show up again in the mcu i think if they show up one second they're gonna be whack-a-moles they're going to show up everywhere but realistically this exact lineup is probably going to change out we're going to have different
people jump in it's it's going to be like who's on the illuminati this week black panther was a sort of he was introduced to be part of it then he leaves and then i think charles xavier dies in the comics and then he comes back to uh to fulfill that role if i'm not mistaken then him and neymar kind of butt heads for a little bit um but yeah no for sure the lineup is can definitely change i can i can definitely see it changing in the mcu you're going to see wanda or kang kill
off some of these characters oh it's gonna be hilarious it's gonna be great it's gonna be really tragic and like crazy but like i don't think tom cruise stands a chance he's a gunner uh but the way some of these are gonna be introduced are to be kind of jokey and i think it's going to feel right when wanda comes in there and wrecks the place you know some of them it's going to be really sad like i think it's hard it was really hard to see patrick stewart's character die in logan so to see
it happen again i don't know if i really want to see that but like we've seen him die like twice so far so like three times that's right he died like so many times in the x-men movies he died in last stand i think he's implied he died in some other way i think uh he almost died in days of future past but i i'm so excited that he's part of this universe now because it's just just introducing him as marvel fans know mean that anybody can be introduced like that's the dam has already been
broken we're already living in this world original recipe howard the duck is coming i mean that's why i think just this moment in the trailer it's like seeing spider-man show up in civil war that was the game-changing moment wasn't the movie itself it was the moment in november 2015 that was the game-changing moment that told every marvel fan that we're now living in this world uh so that's that's why this is such a watershed moment that's why i lost my mind in the trailer reaction uh i think just hearing his voice in that trailer that's
bro that's the game changer it is the game changer man for sure like it's it's bananas seeing like our all of our toys getting to play together now like there's no more sony fox it's just like all right now our toys are here and that's so exciting well that is it for this episode of inside marvel obviously we're gonna be talking about this a lot more on the channel forever uh now don't forget to check out our many great merch options over at newrockstarsmerch.com if you're over 18 click the link for new rockstar's discord server
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