Sheriff Mark Lamb - Fixing the Border Crisis & Defending the Constitution | SRS #119

[Music] Sheriff Mark Lamb welcome to the show thank you it's an honor to be on it's an honor to have you I'm just this is I love what you do I love all the people you talk to I love the different uh oh man the different expertise and knowledges they bring so this is truly an honor to be on your show today well thank you for saying that I you know I've been following you for several Years now and I've been wanting to talk to you but I've been waiting for the right time and reaching

out to people always always get a little uh uh it takes me a minute and then we just hired this guy that's in your District who's running our social media JD JD and he like hey you want to what did you call him nightclaw nightclaw nice nice he's never going to live the that one down now but um but yeah so JD connected us and and um here we are man and and I Love your message I love what you're doing you keep it positive you speak truth you you have you speak Common Sense which

is a rarity now and uh we got a lot to cover man I'm looking forward to it but uh so what I want to do is cover some of your life story and then go into a lot of the stuff that's going on in the world like why are all these criminals being released back onto the streets you know know you're run for Senate how's that going the Border we Got a lot of stuff to dive into but um everybody gets an introduction first so here we go Sheriff Mark Lamb the American Sheriff your father

of five a grandfather of three married for almost 30 years to your wife Janelle grew up outside of the US not military we'll get into that stuff worked as a police officer for 6 years before transitioning to the Sheriff's Department Elected as the 24th Sheriff of Pinal penal County currently serving you are currently running for the 2024 US senate seat in Arizona deeply religious with a strong faith you established the American Sheriff Foundation what is that so I started to Charity My First Year when I got into uh right as I became sheriff I knew

I wanted to do something so I started a charity called the American Sheriff Foundation which our goal was to Bridge the gap between communities and law enforcement just through service and um it was been great uh it's given me an opportunity to give back to the communities to help people who in their need we we do a lot with veterans and so it's been uh it's just another tool that gave me the ability to do things in my community without having to go through the bureaucracy of government to where I could actually make actionable change

in people's lives right away wow that's Awesome you did that when I did that in 2018 2018 so I took office in 2017 by the beginning of 2018 I had figured out what I want had wanted to do and I started that charity man that's more people need to do that and the author of two books and one children's book American Sheriff rules to live by American Sheriff Traditional Values in a modern world and the adventures of Seymour Clues that's right and Mr Mouse nice nice but um couple things We're going to knock out real

quick so also I have a patreon account patreon is our that's a subscription account they are our top supporters they've been here since the beginning they're the reason I get to be here my team's here and they're the reason you get to be here too and so well thank you patreon yeah and so one of the things I promise them is I offer them a opportunity to ask the guest a question before they come on and so we got a couple of good ones here This one's from Gregory Lon what is the most pressing excuse

me what is the most pressing issue affecting law enforcement officers in Peno County and throughout the State of Arizona so I think it's the same thing not just for panal County I think it's not just the same thing for Arizona but the entire country and that is the border and what I know we're going to dive into the Border a lot but just give You the cliff notes of it I think National when we talk National Security the greatest threat to National Security the greatest threat to the undermining of the rule of law is beginning

right at the open border situation not holding people accountable letting them come in here and break the law then flooding our communities with Unknown People you know the the the border patrol is vetting like 5% of those people and so now these people they don't once they come across The border they don't just stay On the Border they filter into communities like mine or in Arizona or across the country and it creates a real challenge for us as law enforcement because the federal government allowed people unvetted people to come into my community and not only

that we're taking people from third worlds and expecting that we're not going to turn into a third world when we bring them into our communities so the other piece to that is the fenel not Just the drugs but I think the fenel has become probably I mean methamphetamine is still a big issue in Arizona but the the fenal poisonings that are going on in this country and I know we're going to dive into that deeper but when we talk about the pre most pressing matters I think are they're all combined National Security threats to American

lives threats to our communities it's starting at the southern border well we got to you know I hate Diving into that but I love diving into it because because it needs to be heard and uh I can't wait to dive into that discussion because I just I don't know what to believe anymore you know I don't I don't believe really any media sources anymore I think they're all over embellished and uh and so it'll be great to talk to somebody like you you know they're over embellished they're Under reporting and they're telling you the Facts

that they want you to want they're telling you things to to spin it their way yeah and look I've been accused of that but but today I'll give you truth and then let people decide as to whether or not they but I don't give you things that I if I don't know it I'm not going to give it to you I'm giving you things that I know because of being on the ground the people I work with the things that we see that we talk to all these things so I I think hopefully in the

end There's going to be a lot of people listening today that you know are maybe for it or against it you know and I hope to just give more information truth about it and then people can make up their own mind as to the severity of the problem I appreciate that I re I really appreciate that and the next question is from Lucas Kion do you have any context behind the tunnel system that the cartel has built to funnel in drugs and potentially Supporting a systematic attack against America with weaponry and high value targets relying

on that infrastructure well lcas great question it's not just a single tunnel it's many tunnels um the cartel are are a flush with cash they have the ability to to build all sorts of stuff you see a lot of tunnels down in places like nogalus Arizona and the reason I mentioned nogalus not that nogalus is it's just that nogalus is right on the Mexico border so on one Side of nog Galis is 50,000 residents or 30 30 to 50,000 residents and on this other side is 500,000 residents in Mexico and literally you can have a

house here or a business here a road of 15 ft the wall a 15t road and businesses right there again so within 30 40t you have businesses or houses in Mexico ASO and businesses and houses in Arizona and so a lot of times those tunnels will go from one Factory in in Mexico and then pop up in in somebody's business or Somebody's home on the US side there's also there there's tunnels out in the middle of nowhere too in the deserts but right now the tunnels they don't need to use them as much because the

borders are wide open and so they're pushing people through more conventional routes as through as opposed to the tunnels but they still exist and whenever they find them they usually destroy them how do you have an estimation of how many tunnels there are maybe just in Arizona I mean it's always changing I mean I look I think that You' probably got hundreds I don't know hundreds of tunnels I mean you're you're at least got uh every cartel is going to have their own pieces of tunnels every every Smuggler within those cartels has their way of

being able to smuggle the product remember it's not like the cartel ushers these people down themselves they have different smuggling units that work for the cartels and those guys well the Money they make is based on their ability to successfully smuggle drugs or people into this country and so if you're going to make a ton of money why would you not um put a a tunnel in place that would give you the best opportunity to smuggle people and drugs across the border so that you can make the most money how are they digging these tunnels

by hand how big are they can they walk some are very like like some of you could take a railroad little box through Which they do big um most of them are built at least to where somebody a grown man could walk in it um they're probably not built to my height but there many of them they built they're fortified just like you would go into a mine and you would see these tunnels and some of them are more rudimental some would be just you know like you could crawl through it and get to the

other side do you have any any footage of this stuff no I mean there are there's plenty of footage from Border patrol and stuff in my County we don't get the tunnels as much because I'm I'm not on the border I'm one County off the Border okay so I'm 52 miles off the Border where the um on the Indian Reservation the Tano Indian nation and then 71 miles off the Border where the I 10 um where the county line intersects with the i 10 and so what we've got is problems of them pushing them through

Backpackers drugs all that coming through the reservation Predominantly and then anything that comes across the southern border pretty much everybody that comes through cois County Puma County Santa Cruz County those people eventually are going to get in a car whether it's the drugs or the people that are being traffic they're going to get on one of our of our highways and head up to Phoenix and Phoenix becomes a Distribution Hub for human trafficking drug trafficking so they never almost all of them will make It through panau County at some point either on our highways or

through our deserts to try to get to Phoenix where they're will be distributed throughout the rest of the country man man I just I get we're going to dive into this a lot more later what I'm curious about these tunnels how are they able to you're saying they go from from wherever in Mexico right into a living room or or some type of a business how are they how are they uh I Mean how are they locating that they are good at it how are they able to navigate into that business you know a lot

of it is just a compass you know you could just go with a compass underground and just look and see if you're still on the on the heading the right heading I guess they would probably start in the us and go to Mexico they start they do it both ways so they'll start in the Mexico and a lot of these people you got to remember they Can pass freely on day visas or some of these people can come back and forth and so you might get somebody that goes from us side and goes over to

Mexico and walks into a factory and they all day long they dig underneath to try to get to that over there um there's some very intricate tunnel tunnel systems that they've done man and I don't think the US even fully knows how many tunnels there are especially now we're so overwhelmed that you don't have time to Dedicate to going and finding all these tunnels and right now the cartels like I said they don't really even need to spend a lot of money building these these tunnels because they're having so much success just walking them through

the gaps in the fence yeah or you know or or on the reservation where there's no wall there's not a single foot of wall on the reservation at best it's it's three strands of Barb fence or some norbin de Barrier that's it that's it man well we got a lot to cover I know but before we're just scratching the surface on that yeah before we get into that everybody gets a gift here all right I don't know if you have any guesses get guess have zero guesses oh man there you go oh nice vigilance League

gummy bears made in the USA legal in all 50 states so you don't have have to arrest yourself on the way home I love it but uh that is cool yeah thank You you're welcome you're welcome two bags in it two bags so let's dive in you're welcome you're welcome appreciate it just some swag for you put that on the sheriff's car oh I'm going to see if anybody notices it thank you you're welcome but um well Sheriff you're running for Senate I think that I personally think that we've really gotten away from hearing who

the who the individual is that is running for office and so I did this with Eli crane I've Done it with uh who's you know you guys are buddies both from Arizona I'm getting a lot of people from Arizona maybe I should move there but um but uh but anyways what what I was saying is I think people want to know who the who the man is behind the candidate you know who are we Ing and and so I'd like to you know get your get a snapshot of your life story before we go into

a lot of the issues that we're Facing in this country today and so give us a better better idea of who you are who your beliefs are how you were raised and and and what kind of a person you are so and I agree with you I think that's the most important peace you know we're actually we're asking people to represent us in the constitutional republic that this country is and yet we often times either don't get an opportunity or the media is telling us who that person is as opposed to us Finding out for

ourselves who that person is and so I appreciate the opportunity because that's one of the hardest things to deliver is the message of who am I and what do I bring to the table and I think once you get into that people say man I like this guy but without the way politics is designed it's just not it's very tough to find out who the real person is yeah fast forward to the end of 2024 think of your goals what can you do Right now to give yourself the best chance of succeeding if you want

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making an investment Decision and I'm I'm different from everybody I'm a different cop I uh I was actually born and raised in Hawaii my dad was from Arizona my family was pioneers of Arizona I mean frankly I'm a Pioneer period my uh I'm an OCC I'm a descendant of eight of the occupants of the Mayflower that came here and then the lamb side came in 1630 on the windrip fleet no way yeah most of my ancestors on all sides of my family have been in America since probably the 1600s 1700s and so when people ask

me where are you from I'm like I'm I'm American like I've been hundreds of years in this country and so that's part of my love of this country is it's a deep I think what generation after generation of being in this country you start to develop a real deep appreciation and love for it but I was born and raised in Hawaii my dad was a businessman he was a graduate of Thunderbird business college which is a global business management School probably one of the Premier um international schools in the country and um so we were

raised other places I grew up in Hilo Hawaii and uh didn't know anything different we were raised there we were I was just little howy kid in Hawaii which makes for a good upbringing because you learn to be tough real quick I'll bet I mean Hawaii is a warrior culture anyway and then being a minority in a in a warrior culture you're forced to be raised right there with those Warriors and so we grew up at 11 my dad moved to the Philippines so we all went there spent a year in the Philippines we didn't

have a lot of money so we lived like most Filipinos do riding the Jeep knes and and and uh really got to look at poverty at that point I remember at a young age at 11 years old I got a real glimpse of poverty you know in my book I my first chapter in my book American Sheriff Traditional Values in the modern world the very first chapter is welcome To America and I talk about the different places I've lived and the different things that I learned from each one but every time you come home to

America no matter where you've been no matter how beautiful those countries are you just feel like kissing the ground you know it's that welcome to America what brought you to what brought your dad to the Philippines so my dad was uh he was doing some government contracts for you know they would leave equipment For they would leave equipment in India they would do a project in India leave equipment in India and and then they would put it out to a contract to say okay go if some somebody will will contract with somebody to go pick

up the equipment in India or um government surplus stuff uh we also were scrap metal so we did scrap metal that was our primary business as I grew up so we would collect scrap metal and then we' ship it off to different places and and They would remake steel out of it um so we did a lot of that as kids most of my life was spent doing scrap metal what we did in in the Philippines didn't work and so we were there for a year and moved back to Arizona kind of a regrouping and

so I went to Junior High and High School in Arizona Chandler Arizona and then my Dad decided to move to Panama my Dad loved Panama they used the American dollar there's a lot of real American influence and at the time Panama still had all the American bases they hadn't turned it over to the Panamanian government yet thanks to Jimmy Carter um they hadn't done that yet and so we loved living there I start I spent all my Summers there I was there during operation just cause which I write about in my book that's crazy I'll

dive into that how old were you I was 17 operation you remember that not only do I remember it we'll dive into it now all right like I was I was a kid who wanted To be in the military so I loved all that stuff I was my dad never owned guns but I kept buying guns like I bought a lever action 3030 and and so I was into guns and all that stuff anyway and I'm in Panama and tensions are rising they had roughed up a marine and his wife um I think they had

killed somebody else and so norga and was getting at odds with the American government um and I think you know you hear about it I don't can't say Why but Nora finally just told the the government I'm not your Bo Whipping Boy anymore and decides he's not going to listen to him anymore and as we know Nora was a big part of trafficking cocaine and all those things through Panama all that stuff and so Nora had his dignity battalion and the US tensions were rising and so went to bed one night I think it was

um not long before Christmas and just a couple days before Christmas and my mom Comes in and wakes me up at like 1: in the morning and she said Mark they're bombing they're bombing and so we had the 10th floor on this place called Puna which is out on the point of of of of part of Panama City that overlooks the bay into Old Panama and so I run out to the balcony and sure enough I mean I'm watching Trac arounds hit these buildings skipping off into the ocean I'm watching gunships shooting uh machine gun

fire on all we had all four Views we could go see I could see there was four Navy Seals that died that night on the airst strip in in ptaa I could see that firefight going on from my from our apartment that night w and so it was a full-on just right in the middle of this war you know there this you know somebody says it wasn't War I mean but it was certainly a military uh exercise and where they're they're bombing shooting um and you're 17 I'm 17 I what are you thinking at 17

cool Think um but then it was we didn't have any so where the building we were in that night I remember looking over the balcony and I see this limousine down at the bottom of our building and I'm watching this guy load an RPG into the trunk of the car this limousine little did I know that night we found out the next day they had a list of all the Americans in our building there was Americans on the Third floor there was Americans on the fourth floor there was Americans on the 10th floor which was

us and there was Americans on the 11th floor and most of in Panama when you're an American and you're not military they think you're CIA so they they come into the building and they go they bust into the third floor but the people on the third floor had managed to jump over the balcony down to the second floor so then they take and they go to the fourth floor They bust into the fourth floor and they Capt they kidnap the guy that's in there on the fourth floor they take him which by the way they

found him a few days later dead in a ditch shot to death um they believed him to be a CIA but was a professor at the college which I think he was probably CIA too but um they found him dead a few days later so the next Americans from the fourth floor Were Us and the power went out and so they couldn't make it up any further it Was too too much stairs they were on a time crunch and so unbeknownst to us we dodged a major bullet that night wow um so then the dignity

Battalion Le how when did you find out that the we knew the next day they had taken them because all the the residents in the building said hey there's lutters and dignity Battalion are breaking into peoples they came in they took they took this guy from the fourth floor last night we need to stand guard of our own building Because there was no the military wasn't coming by we didn't see the military for four and a half days nobody they came and took Americans from our building we didn't see anybody for 4 days not to

mention Nora's Bill girlfriend lived next door and nobody came to his building um which is where I think he was the whole time by the way but that so what they said was hey we had all these people in the building that actually there was a couple Jewish guys And some other people that had guns they had an Uzi they had N9 millimet they had a lever action 3030 and so they said look we we got to we got to guard our own building if not they're going to come back for more the the looters

will come or the dignity Battalion will come and take more people and so they decided that we were all going to Pony up and we were all going to guard our building I'm 17 years old and my T my job was from midnight to 6:00 a.m. every morning I spent Christmas morning that year with a gun standing out front of our building um and I remember one time over the radio they they were they said hey they're coming they're coming and I'm like I know enough about guns to know that they have AK-47s and I

have an lever action 3030 and I'm like I thought well I may only get one shot off but I'm going to make this shot count shoot from cover my Friend shoot from cover I'm I'm thinking where am I even going to go and uh luckily they didn't come but I spent four days going back and forth or every night doing a patrol or doing a survey uh security detail at our building holding a gun at 17 years old from uh midnight to 6:00 a.m. until the military showed up for how long did this go on

for so the military showed up about four or five days later and they had kind of gotten things under control by then but For the first three or four days it was chaos my dad left within the first 30 minutes of them bombing cuz my dad's kind of was kind of crazy like that and my dad went out and he got stuck out there and had to hide in the bushes in the in a ditch until the next morning when he was able to work his way back to our building because of all the dignity

Battalion running around I mean it was craziness that first night holy cow man I had no idea 17 years old That is uh quite the experience for a 17-year-old yeah but I love I mean honestly there was parts of it that I love but there was other parts of it that you're thinking but it wasn't one once again what it did was it reestablished the love of America that you can put your head down on your pillow at night and for the most part up until recently know that you're going to be safe you can

sleep good at night you know how it is you've been in there you When you go to these places you just never sleep good at night because you just don't know what's going on and per case in point you know it went from full-on blown Invasion one night so it's makes you appreciate America and the stability that exists in this country um really because Hard Men and are willing to to hold guns and and go out and protect our communities at night do you have any brothers and sisters so I have two brothers and a

sister I'm The youngest of four my two oldest Brothers um then I have a sister and then there's me um I'm the baby of the family right on right on what were they doing were they my sister was there that night but my two brothers my one brother was um on a mission in Ecuador and then I think my other brother was he was there too he lived there but he just lived in a different part of Panama so we were all he was there with his family and we were in our apartment Um in

Puna and so and then from there um when I was 19 I lived moved to Argentina I was a missionary in Argentina for two years how was loved it what what is what do you do on a mission so you preach the gospel you go down and you just go and talk to people about God and Jesus Christ and tell them about scriptures and and um you know everybody's looking for something I think you know this life is about finding our way back to God and I think being able to go be a missionary is

a really amazing experience because yes you find some you you go through some hard things but at the same time you find people that are really at a point in their life where they're vulnerable and they're they're ready they're waiting for something and to be able to be that person that shows up and shares with them a message of of God Jesus Christ and and see their life change and see that empty cup fill is is An amazing thing but you know look it's it puts hair on your chest too at a young age I

mean I was 19 years old and I basically just got on a plane and flew to Argentina and the first guy that I was a companion with was this little short uh Argentine of Italian descent with red hair didn't speak a he was a first generation at Argentine he didn't speak a lick a lick of English did you speak Spanish I mean rudimental I mean what they teach you like in a in a Couple months of I could say my name I could so I could do those things but and I had learned a little

bit of Spanish in Panama having to spend a lot of time there but you show up and here's this guy that's your companion now you don't know and I we we went four hours into the countryside into a place called um saladish in Argentina and I remember that first night The Night the Lights were getting ready to go out I don't know who this guy is next to me I am Looking at two years I'll be here for 2 years I'm laying on a bed my mattress was this thick it was on a door that

was propped up on boxes of books and I remember laying down the light goes off and I thought what am I doing where am I at cuz there's no cell phones no nothing yeah I mean we wrote letters I got to talk call home three times in or three or four times in two years wow Mother's Day and Christmas that's it you don't speak other than that letters we write letters and you'd send a letter it took three weeks to get home so if you needed any money there was no sense asking because by the

time the letter got home and by the time you got anything back it was six weeks six weeks man so you learn how to be on your own so when you go on a mission trip how how do you determine who you're going to talk to and actually let me We'll get to there how do you figure out where you're going who decides that so the church does so typically they'll have all these a board full of all the missions throughout the world and there's all all over the world I mean Mongolia I mean all

Central and South America Europe all throughout the United States for example my two boys have gone to Boise Idaho and Phil pH ad alphia so that's where they did their missions but I was so what they do is they have this Whole board full of missions and they know who's Miss who's lacking where they need to fill it so they might take your name Sean Ryan puts in I want to go on a mission and you tell them a little bit about yourself and submit the paperwork and then they look at it and say well

we think we should put him in Ukraine and then they put you in there and then they pray about and if they feel good about it they leave it there if they don't they'll take you off and Put you somewhere else until they feel good about it so obviously My name got thrown in Argentina and they felt good about it and I ended up there and it was absolutely the place I was supposed to be and so it was uh great experience because every day we go out and we just look for people we knock

doors which out there you actually don't even knock doors cuz you usually stand out in front of their house and clap and out and Usually tell you to pounce inand what I mean what is what's your opener what do you start talking I mean so you're clapping outside somebody's door they come out they don't tell you to pound sand what do you say you know usually we just say look up we're missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ latter of saints and we're just here to share a me message about God do you believe in

God you know immediately you want to get Into questions and get them to because if they'll answer questions like cells if they'll answer questions you know that you've kind of got them on the hook a little bit and I don't mean that in a bad way I mean it in a in a good way but in the cells way um this is why I end up in CS after that because you're just and then if they say yes I believe in God and you know Jesus Christ and you know you'll start asking them you know

what is your Relationship can we come in and talk to you some more about this and then we won't go into the house and and begin to talk to him and it's one of those deals like you're not going to be successful most of the time but when you are successful it's worth it yeah yeah is this is this like a I interviewed another gentleman who's in the Church of flatter day say it's Brandon Fugal he was a big he's done a lot of mission stuff as well is this Like a write of passage in

the Church of latterday saints It really used to be um nowadays they're a little bit more you know it's not as there still have more missionaries now than ever but back in the day like it was a it was a non-negotiable you have to do it I wanted to do it like my life was geared towards going on a mission like every decision I made the friends I chose everything was designed to keep me in a Position to where I was qualified to still go on a mission so I avoided people that were going to

take me I've never drank alcohol in my life I don't smoke I don't do drugs I don't do any of that stuff never have and I I surrounded myself with friends that would take me to the same goals you know like hey here's and trust me I had friends along the way that I had really good friends but they started to deviate from where I wanted to be and so you you you don't Change course you just have to shift and and they move on and you pick up people that are going to really get

you to where you want to be and I was fortunate enough to have friends that we all believe the same thing we all had the same goal we were all going to go on our mission and um I really love it because I think it makes them it makes men and women out of kids you know nowadays these kids are still living with their parents into their 20s or they don't Even know anything about life you I got thrown in a country the other side of the continent and I was uh had to fend for

myself like there was nobody there there was no Mom and Dad telling me what to do or how to do this or that I had to learn Spanish like we say AA I had to learn how to speak Spanish like the hard way MH and but it I wouldn't change it for for anything and you meet people that are still I'm still close to people from Argentina just because you just Become so ingrained in who they are you live you're in their houses every day you're experiencing things that you just don't get that's a that's

a two-year portion of your life where you'll probably have more spiritual experiences in that two years than you will the rest of your life interesting and it really gives you some fuel to kind of stay on course throughout the rest of your life as well is that true for you that's absolutely true for me spiritual Experiences in those two years absolutely I mean I just had some really amazing experiences I mean granted I've been able to do a lot but I challenge myself consistently I think when you're challenging yourself and your greatness and you're trying

to push yourself outside of the the Comfort levels that you were that we all have inside of us the the the boundaries of comfort um when you push yourself outside of that you will find that you will have More spiritual experiences because you're you're on faith at that point what is your most profound spiritual experience while in Argentina I have not told this one to very many people at all probably I don't even know if my kids will know it so when they hear it they'll they'll they'll we were um we there was three of

us I actually normally it's just two of you but we happen to be three of us at that point I had one guy from Argentina one guy from From America they were new and so I was training them and we had had a rough day everything had gone wrong that day like the appointments had all been cancelled and and so we're just like let's just go back to the pension which is the apartment let's go back to the pension and uh let's just call it call it a day and as we were kind of we

cross this road we see this old man just old and dirty and clothes are all tattered long hair head down Beard just old bum like a just what you would think is a bum so he's crossing the road and we get to the other side and we stop and we all three look at each other and we're like do we just go home or should we turn around and help this guy what should we do and so finally we uh we said let's just go help this guy so by the time we crossed back across

the street he was trying to get up over the curb and he started to fall and my we Got there just in time and we catch him and so we couldn't we kept asking him where are you going and he was just kind of mumbling so there was a for about 30 40 maybe 30 yards away there was a kiosk which is where it's a little store in the side of a building somebody's house where they sell milk and candy and food and so we start walking towards the kiosk and it literally takes us 30

minutes or more to walk 30 yards because This guy can't walk he's just shuffling along and so by the time we get to this kiosk the sun has gone down and now we're standing under this kiosk much like we are in this room and there's a light above us and um the guy I had none of us had seen the guy's face and so we asked the kiosk guy we're like who is this guy he says oh he lives right over there just a couple doors down at that house and he said we saidwell what

does he Usually get here and they said he gets milk and candles and we said okay well give us the milk and the candles so we're standing there and he looks up and it's the face of Christ whoa clean clear doesn't say anything and I look at the other two guys with me and we just looked at each other and we were just Like what are we seeing he put his head back down and we never saw his face again we took him we got his candle we got his milk and we're freaked out at

this point cuz we're just thinking what did we just go through I mean he just locked eyes with me just looked up looked at me like this and look back down so we walked this guy over we put him in this little um we walked through This gate and in this room was a little storage closet and this is where he lives it was no bigger than he had a chair in the storage closet a bunch of Chunk behind him he had a table with old candles and we put his milk on his c table

and his candles and on the way there he's like who are you we just said we're just angels from our Lord taking you home so 2 days later we show back up we're knocking on the door nothing we asked These kids out playing we're like Hey where's the guy that lives here and they said oh he died two nights ago can you can you can you go back how many days had passed two days two days so we would gone that was like a Monday night Wednesday we went by his house and he had died

Monday night and uh to this day if I see those two missionaries when I every now and then I talk to one of those guys and we'll Always say do you remember that old guy wow wow and what it was for me is it taught you a lesson that um Christ is in the things that you least expect God is in the things that you least inspect if you judge a book by its cover if you see it for the dirtiness and the the bum and this and that um you miss the opportunities you miss

where Christ truly is and for Us in that moment you realize I'm going to do I'm going to be treat everybody the same because you never know who you're talking to you never know who it is it's a great l listen man and you can see why I don't tell the story very often yeah that's profound wow so things like that that was you just have one experience after another that uh just truly tell you that you know God and Jesus Christ live and and it really puts Into perspective everything that we deal with in

life which is really what helps me get through my profession politics I understand that's not what life is about out life has a whole different thing life is about your relationship with God you come here you get a body and your ability to prove yourself your ability to show who you are whether you're going to push through and find the greatness that you have in you or whether you're not and the key is are you going to be Distracted by all what life gives you the bills the family problems the jobs um the politics all

the the teror stuff you see in this life you your job is to realize that's not what's important what is important and the purpose of this life is to establish your relationship with God and to develop who you are as a person and everything else is designed to build that the experiences you go through build that how long did it take you to come to this conclusion you know I've always been a person that's born with faith like I've been a faithful person that knows that God exists and those types of things but um just

over time you know when you when you get in and you test your faith and you start to see that that there is something on the other side of that then it becomes less and less faith and more and more knowledge that that these exist and it's really just a lifetime of it no don't get me wrong you get those times where Life life will continue to throw harder and harder things at you and to really test to see if you can dig down deeper and deeper and so yeah over time it's just polished up

when did you when did you know when did you when did you I mean for me it was what 40 we kind of talked a little bit about my journey to Faith at breakfast this morning but with you when you were born into the church of latterday Saints you had this experience in Argentina when did you when did you know for a fact like this is this is real I would say I've I know this is going to sound funny but I've always known really like I've just grown up with this no doubt as to

what it was so by the time I go on my mission I feel like I was ready for experiences that were going to only add to that knowledge and so I while I knew there's knowing but then there's going and and learning even More understanding the scriptures at a deeper level sharing with It sharing your testimony with other people um putting your putting your your you know your putting your money where your mouth is actions you know how many times have you told you got people that tell you they know and they they they act

like they know but who actually goes out and does it you know that's really what matters is can you are you a person that can actually show me can you does your Actions tell me uh that you are that person and so I knew it but it gave me the ability to develop it and I feel blessed because I feel like I was blessed and I know a lot of folks like yourself that it came later in life and for all of us there's the timing is different um and you know you might say well

I wish I would have known sooner well knowing sooner doesn't always isn't always the best thing you know because it presents itself for the lifelong of Challenges that now like you've come to it and you've already kind of swed some life you've lived some life I have to now try to I know it so I'm expected to live a certain life that throughout my whole life because I know what's right I know what's what's good I know I'm not here to disappoint God or Jesus Christ makes sense well thank you for sharing that that's uh

very few people know that story so not anymore yeah anymore but all right so what happens After you leave Argentina so I come back home and uh I wanted to Panama went back to Panama actually went to school for just a few like a month or two months as this ain't for me I remember I wrote a paper in English about guns about the Second Amendment and uh I got out see and and the notes on there it wasn't because of the grammar it wasn't because of the writing style it was clearly that my teacher

disagreed with me politically and so at that point I said College Isn't for me I don't need it so I go back to Panama and I'm working in Panama I actually got scouted by the Giants and by the Royals playing baseball in Panama no kidding yeah and um so I'm in Panama working and I had just met my wife two weeks prior to going to Panama kind of threw a wrench things so I meet her at a dance and I take her out like the next day and we dated for two weeks straight so then

I go to Panama and I'm in Panama for like four months and I I tell I Thought I I said you know I'm going to go back and date my date Janelle and so I went back dated her for two more weeks and then asked her to marry me no kiding yeah and you guys have been married for 30 years 30 years congratulations thank you but I was going to join the military and when I lived in Panama I was playing softball and baseball with all military guys and I was like hey so what do

you guys do when there's nothing going on they're like ah you know I don't know And I realized I probably wasn't with the 11 Bravo guys I wasn't with infantry guys I wasn't with Navy Seals I was probably more with you know Transportation clerical guys that type of thing and they're like ah don't bother don't bother so I missed that one window that's the one regret I have in life was I wished I would have gone into the military cuz it's really what I wanted to do as a kid anyway and so instead I come

back I get married and Next thing you know boom I got five kids it wasn't that fast but I mean it felt pretty fast I had five kids in six and A2 years man I you had mention that at breakfast and I don't know how you did that my wife is a saint I got two we get no sleep oh we it's a lot and then as they get older there's different sets of challenges that present themselves but yeah so next thing you know I'm I'm I'm 30 years old I got five kids and 911

happens so now I'm back to looking at going to the military and I'm 30 and I'm thinking how do I make this work financially but I couldn't but I knew I wanted to do something I wanted to do some type of service the thought of being a cop never crossed my mind never I'd never grown up thinking I was going to be a cop I was drive by cops I was like those freaking cops I was not a police officer Guy and um so 30 years old I'm looking at the military and I just financially

I just Couldn't make it work it just wasn't to leave my wife with five kids small kids yeah to go into boot camp and I probably I was looking at I wanted to do special forces and so you know there's just there's a lot of time that you're not going to be with your family I just couldn't do it and so went back to owning I worked on a dairy at the time I worked on a dairy and then I knocked out my boss what yeah like a dairy farm yeah So I was working on

a dairy my brother was a processor for the dairy where they process the milk and he gets me this job on the dairy I'm actually where I milk the cows and I'd been there for a few years and loved the job my wife had just had our fifth baby five days before this experience and so we had this owner and the owner was hard to deal with he did your wife does your wife work did she work at that time no So you're raising a a of five kids on you're supporting a wife and five

kids milk and cows milk and cows what is I'd been my own business owner but I but I decided to go with the cow you know the dairy stuff and so it didn't pay anything it paid like I don't know three grand a month or why did you leave what kind of businesses did you run I had sales business Pest Control businesses marketing stuff that kind of stuff and it had been good but um I was I was Trying to find myself yeah I was trying to find where I was supposed to be and I

was struggling with that and so I I loved agriculture stuff I loved cattle I thought let me go be a d men I want to be a Rancher anyway and I can learn about cows and I can learn about cow health no better way to do it than at the dairy so I loved it it was a great job but the owner was tough to deal with and so the owner had two brothers that and his dad is who I worked with the Owner lived in Salt Lake City and so the owner would come down

on the weekends and just caused nothing but grief ton of work extra work and treated his brothers like crap for my sister who's listening to this I'm going to apologize ahead of time because it was her dad but um he comes down and he's always talking to his brothers and so at one point he goes to my he he says to his brothers we were there that day and we had lost like Three cows and it wasn't a good day and each cow's worth 2500 bucks it's cold it's not going well and he shows up

and he's mad about something and he calls one of his brothers and he tells his brother and I kept telling my other brother I was like if he takes the lord's name in vain one more time I'm going to knock him out and he um he shows up and he's yelling at his brother on the phone and I'm sitting there taking a leak and I and as soon as he hangs up his brother's like man I knew we shouldn't have done this or that I didn't say a thing I zipped up I walked out walked

straight up to that office open the door and I said is there a problem here and he said you're I'm right there's a problem I said hey hey we didn't need you down here today anyway he said what did you just say to me I said you heard what I said I said we didn't need you down here Today anyway and he goes don't you tell me and I said don't you stick your finger in my face and he looks at me and he has this moment of like what am I going to do now

insubordination and and so he gives me one of these little forefinger pushes right here in my chest and I shove him back further back than what you are and he comes back and now he's in my book I have a chapter called it's not a fight until you meet Resistance and so he now has a choice to make is he going to let me is pride going to take over or is he going to come to his senses that this is not going to be good what is going to happen and I'm watching him process

this in his face as he's I've been in fights before so I'm watching him process this in his face and he comes at me with with that look in his eye like he made the decision that he was not going to let me uh disrespect him Pride one out and he Had his hand clenched and he got with them Striking Distance and I bam and I hit him with a clean right and knocked him down knocked him out and he hit the ground and when he hit the ground he kind of came back to and

he's trying to struggle to get to his feet his hands and knees and then he kind of gets up and his glasses are all crooked and his face is bleeding and I steady him and ready to just crush him with another right and he says get out of here with Defeated get out of here and I said I'm out I quit walked out went home walked in the door and my wife has a 5-year-old five day old baby number five and she looks at me and says uh what are you doing home so early I

said well I don't work at the dairy anymore she goes what happened I go I just knocked out Gordon and so so hold on you said this is who your sister-in-law this is my sister-in-law's dad so does that mean That's your wife's dead no it's my brother's father-in-law so okay yeah wow and my brother called me he was angry he's like what are you doing and my brother's a fighter too and my brother calls me he's really angry and I said John I said I told you I wasn't going to be disrespected and I said

he wrote the check and I cashed it I didn't come in here looking for a fight but I certainly was I told you I'm not dealing with this anymore and so he's like all right all Right all right and so I ended up uh leaving there and started getting back into uh the private business started a paintball store a paintball store I started a paintball store in that town that down no kidding yeah how'd that business go it went great tell Walmart came in I mean what what did your wife say when uh you got

a five a five day old baby and you just got fired and you're said I mean my wife's same I'm going to start a paintball store my Wife's the same I had been playing paintball so I loved it and so when I knocked when I punched him and had to leave the job she said what are you going to do now and I said I don't know I'll start a paintball store and so we did and uh what did she say what did she say to the pain store my wife is one of those women

that just cut from a Different Cloth she good with it she's on the team like we're we're a team and she was she was like okay I'm sure Internally she probably was angry but um she uh she's a supporter so on man so we uh did that then Walmart comes into town and overnight killed my business how so well the the internet was on the rise because this was like in 2003 so the internet cells were were Rising and so was um Walmart starting to carry paintball stuff and so immediately you know like Walmart doesn't

have the same markups that I have and the internet same thing they didn't have the Same markups and so it really just kind of killed my CS overnight and we were at a point where you just couldn't sustain yourself with multiple bad months um ultimately I had to protect my brother who was kind of an in with me I had to declare a chapter uh 13 bankruptcy oh man and the problem with 13 if you don't know 13 is you you pay back your debts I had $117,000 in debt when I went into bankruptcy court

it was one of the most To be able to go to Bankruptcy Court was one of the worst things we had a van and the van had that the week that I paid the van off I had to go and get a title loan just so that I could drive I had enough money to drive back to Utah for bankruptcy court and everybody in there had boats and toys and all these things and I literally had $117,000 of debt from the business and I had to declare bankruptcy and I had to pay $900 a month

so my wife And I had to move back to Arizona and live with my mom in a three-bedroom apartment while I paid $900 a month with five kids with five kids we had five kids kids four of my kids were in one room and the baby was in our room and um and my mom was in the other room wow and so I felt pretty low at that point you know you're just thinking I've completely failed yeah I've completely failed and I remember one day my wife hadn't come back yet and I my mom was

like hey it's time to go to church and I went to go to church and I was getting ready and I did something and I ripped my pants and I sat down on the chair and I was like I'm not going I'm done I'm I'm sitting right here I'm not doing anything and it was at that low of feeling sorry for yourself MH and then frankly nothing changed other than I just had this attitude of like it's your fault stop having a negative attitude See things for what the world is trying to do for you

as opposed to against you and in that moment it changed my entire life ripped my pants didn't go to church and instead of being a victim I just said you know what I'm no longer a victim I'm taking life and so nothing dramatically changed but everything changed for me at that moment man that's a great quote that you just said and I could use that advice a lot in my life even the current day Think about what the world is trying to do for you instead of what it's doing against you yes I think a

lot of us could use little do we know we are so blinded walking down a dark hallway that you don't realize that God or the universe or whatever you believe in is opening one door after another but you're too caught up in your own emotions to see what's going on you're angry you're you're you're unhappy and You're failing to see the open doors that if you would just walk in any one of those rooms the lights on in there and there's good stuff in there and so I chose to start seeing things different and at

that point everything changed and within a within months I was out of my mom's house I had started a landscape business with some friends um and within a few years I bought a house and then I ended up in law enforcement That's a different story but that's that was the point where I needed to be for for to get where God needed me to go I needed to be I needed to have that wakeup moment because when you look back on your life you realize everything was happening the right way you just didn't want to

see it mhm and don't ever look back and think I shouldn't have done that you know there's a show Vikings if you ever watch Vikings um one of my favorite parts of Vikings is Ragnar has Two boys his two youngest boys and his two youngest boys are finally at an age where they get to go out and and and do the uh pillaging and all that stuff and so he gets them in the boat and as they're sailing away from the shore the two boats the two kids have their hands on the edge of the

boat looking back towards the shore where their mom and where safety is and then with Ragnar is looking forward and without even missing a beat he doesn't even look back at his Boys and he said don't waste your time looking back you're not going that direction it's the truth don't waste your time looking back you're not going that Direction you're going forward and so what we what I've always done is just since then I've just looked forward and everything that happened I'm going to take what I needed to learn from that and now I look

back and I see the things that needed to happen the way they happened so that I would end up right Here where I'm at today I wouldn't have gotten here if I wouldn't have been through all those things what was it that what was it that changed your attitude in that moment I don't even know what it was I really can't even remember it was just I was so low that I think something inside of me just said stop being a [ __ ] this is you this is your fault and I realized I was

like it is me you know my favorite book is as a man Thinketh by James Allen if you haven't read it it's a short book and it's an amazing book and I'll probably share a quote from it later on in the show but really the book is about you are the master of your fate everything you have in your life is because of you or whatever you don't have is because of you you're the there is nobody else that is the artist in your life it's you so if your life is not going great it's

not circumstances you blame circumstances Only reveal to the man who he is they don't make the man circumstances reveal the man to who he is and then those in that moment and instead of looking at the circumstances is making me I looked at it and said those circumstances have now made me see who I am and what I need to change and so then I started moving forward from there and it was really nothing in particular other than me just having a an a a moment with myself saying you want to change it you change

It that's the only thing that can change it nobody can do it for you and the only people that are the masters of your life and your fate are you that's amazing one more question what happened to your dad so my dad uh and you know it's kind of sad because my dad lived in Panama and my dad was a crazy kind of a genius type guy he loved to read and was he was kind of challenging the federal government he was challenging him on how they obtain The Panama Canal and um they didn't like

him um the Obama Administration didn't like him and so he was constantly fighting with him because when you really look at this is a whole another conversation but you look at the history of the Panama Canal and we basically just took it we just took it we took the land we took the canal we we we bankrupt you know Ferdinand deop the Frenchman who was building it I'm not going to get into all that but suffice to say my dad Loved all that and so he would read Congressional records and he would read all these

things and and he spent a lot of time in Panama well my dad actually got a pair of boots a new pair of boots and he had diabetes Old Farm Boy didn't really take care of himself got a blister that blister didn't go away for years almost lost his foot a couple times ultimately one day my cousin found him in the in the our apartment um in Panama and he had had a stroke and then He went to the doctor and never came out of it between stroke and heart attack he died in 2014 my

brother called me and told me he says Hey Dad not doing good and I had been get I'd gotten these calls before and I said this is different I'm coming so my wife was a flight attendant so I jumped on a flight I was able to fly this was like I don't know I think it was Sunday or Monday so Wednesday I I'm able to get on a flight and he said I Said how's Dad doing he's like he's not doing good so I fly from Phoenix I land in either Houston or Dallas I think

it was Houston and I call and I found out my dad had passed away oh man so I finished my flight got down to Panama was there for you know the day that he died was able to go to the hospital and we did the funeral and all that stuff and and um but yeah he's he's buried in Panama died from ultimately kind of complications from diabetes but uh Stroke and heart attack but I started to tell you the the the hard part is my dad would have been really proud of what I've done being

the sheriff cuz he didn't see that he knew I was considering running in 2014 that I was kind of laying the groundwork that I decided in 2011 so by 2014 he knew where I was what what the goal was the end goal so he would have been he would have loved to seen it and right he'd be Tickle Pink knowing that uh I was Running for Senate as well that I do fox interviews all the time and Newsmax and oh man he would have been proud as proud as a peacock right on man right on

so you got to you go into law enforcement that was happen stance I was uh back to owning my own businesses and knew there was something I was missing there was just I I've always known that I needed to play a larger role in in America and in whatever and here I own My own businesses but just wasn't quite content and um my neighbor says hey you want to go on a ride along I'm like sure let's do it how old are you I'm 33 years old at this point 33 years old made pretty good

money self-employed I go on this one ride along and it was on an Indian Reservation the Salt River P americop Indian Community we go on a graveyard shift and so one of the calls we go on is a dad who had found a 20-year-old With his 14-year-old daughter so the dad and the guy get into a scuffle the guy runs out the back and if you're familiar with how the re is it is um the res will have like a house and then behind it will be nothing and then maybe an old abandoned travel trailer

well that's how this was so I don't know why but they let me out of the car I'm out there armed with a flashlight and courage you know walking around like I know what I'm doing I walk up to the soer Bandon Travel trailer and I see what I think inside of all this travel trailer is all this trash and clothes and just old junk in there but I see what I think is a quarter of skin in there and I'm like hey I think this guy's in here Summers here and seasonal businesses are hiring

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up and I said honey I'm be a [Applause] cop 6 months later I was in the academy and on my way to being a cop and what a life I've always loved MMA I've loved you know the UFC um and so I thought man Wait a second you get to carry a gun you get to drive fast if people get outline you get to rough them up and that's the job I'm like sign me up and um and then when I got into it I really realized that I found my place you know I'm a

Believer in this country and the founding fathers were very specific as to what I think the rule of law and law enforcement is the backbone of America so you could there are other countries with that that are democracies ours is Not we are a constitutional republic they will these politicians will tell you all the time oh it's a threat to democracy it's a threat to De no we're not a democracy democracy is Mob rule democracy means that the loudest voice gets the attention a constitutional republic is different the constitutional republic is the consent of the

Govern we get to dictate what happens and we Representatives back to DC or to the state to do so we are a constitutional Republic but there are other countries that are democracies and there are other countries that have constitutions albeit their countries tell them what their constitutions tell the people what they can and cannot do our constitution tells the government what they can and cannot do and so really what defines America is the rule of law our ability to maintain order our ability to live by a set of principles and rules that's what makes America

different from these other Countries and that the fact that you can have for the most part you know I think there are people who distrust police but for trust me in this country you can trust the police far more than you can in other countries but the foundy father said something in the Preamble the very first charge of the Constitution is not found in the the Articles it's not found in the Declaration of Independence excuse me in the um the Bill of Rights it is Actually found in the Preamble of the Constitution when the founding

father said we the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect union establish justice they knew how important that that would be to a functioning Republic and so when I got into the rule of when I got into law enforcement I understand and I understood how important the job I was doing was and um and I loved it I felt blessed to be able to do that job On a daily basis and be able to go out and protect my community and do something that I think was imperative and and vital

to America and our survivability where was this was this in was this in Arizona or Utah so it was at the Salt River pum Maricopa Indian Community which is right next to Mesa TP and Scottsdale Arizona okay and uh spent six years a little over six years there and I most of that was as a gang and Drug Detective um end up spending like seven plus years there so you were at a PD yep that was at a PD okay and if you know about the reservations it can be a little wild did it could

be uh gang gang activity was pretty prevalent on those and we did some really big stuff to shut it down I mean when I got into the gang unit they said hey your job is driveby shootings and I was like okay well let me put it into perspective how bad of a problem we were having Mesa TB and Scottsdale combined for about a million people um they had in from 2007 to 2010 they had 58 driveby shootings in those three cities our reservation has 5,000 people that live on it million versus 5,000 5,000 people we

had 200 driveby shootings in the same time period are you serious yeah it was every night we were out cleaning up casings on the roadway driveby shootings and so they said this is your responsibility so I started looking into all the cases started looking at you know ballistics on the casings that we were finding and I started realizing hey man like this is one gang that's the the aggressor and the other gang seem to be responding I think if we go after this gang we can eliminate a lot of this activity so we put a

list together a Target list we went and talked to the uh FBI we went and talked to the ATF ultimately we partnered with the ATF because they're a Little bit they work a little bit faster and we had a lot of straw purchases so we went and put a federal RICO case against these guys but to give you an idea of how effective we were in 2009 we had 76 driveby shootings are you serious so how what's the time frame here this is 2009 so we had from 2007 to 2010 we had 200 200 but

in 2009 we had 76 driveby shootings wow when I took over in 2010 we went down to 10 driveby shootings in 2011 we had zero driveby Shootings and in 2012 we had zero driveby shootings when I left in 2012 we had no driveby shootings we went from 76 to 10 to 0 to 0er why because we targeted our law enforcement efforts and we put our boot in their throat and we we weren't going to allow them to dictate we weren't going to be on the defensive anymore we took offensive uh posture and we went after

these gangsters and when they committed crimes we held them accountable and we Literally just changed the dynamic on the reservation in a matter of years by just being aggressive and going after these um and so you know you can that's one of the things when you have the rule of law gets out of control it's not rocket science uphold the law hold people accountable if you do that it will will stabilize things but the longer you let it go the harder it is to get it under control we're going to talk about this Later but

I want to know why everybody seems to be just letting it go nowadays I mean we hear all about it but but we'll get into that in a bit so you left the PD so I in 2011 I just didn't like the direction of the country I thought they were undermining the rule of law and that and remember the rule of law to me is the most important piece of of America stabilizing it and they know that which is why they said they were going to Fundamentally transform America what was happening in 2011 that made

you think that Obama he just what they were doing was really creating a a riff between communities and law enforcement you know anytime we did something and and mind you this is all kind of timing at the same time with people having cell phones and being able to record things on the streets this is all coming about you know iPhones are kind of coming out in The late 2000s around 2010 and so now you're seeing videos of police out there doing their job or roughing somebody up and I'll be the first to tell you we're

not in the business of good Optics I mean when you call us we're expected to deal with problems or if we find problems on the streets then we're expected to deal with it we can't just look the other way and so we're not in the business of good Optics usually and so what you see a lot of times is you See um we were seeing the politicians really start to to to create a rift between community and law enforcement and that undermines the rule of law and so what happens then is you start getting people

and this kind of goes to your question it kind of starts getting people elected into office on the basis of we're not we're going to hold the police accountable or basically saying to the people you're not wrong the cops were wrong and that's dangerous And then what happens is you start undermining the rule of law you stop holding people accountable and then you want to only hold cops accountable putting body cameras on us which we're okay I think we should have body cameras on all the politicians in Washington DC right I've never heard that before

that's genius putting them on them but we have body cams and now everything starts to change and so I could see where we were Going I thought was dangerous and so instead of being the guy that sits and just [ __ ] about it I thought I'm going to do something about it so I'm standing there in the my in our gang unit you know uh little um room and I just said I'm going to run for Sheriff they said yeah you're crazy I said no I'm going to run for Sheriff they said get out

of here and I said okay I put in my application to go to panau County 6 months later a year later I was over there at um at panau County with the intention of running for Sheriff eventually but this is 2011 I said I would run for Sheriff I went to panal in 2012 and uh spent two years there and then my told my wife one day I said honey I think it's about time to leave and start to to lay the groundwork I got to go make money so that I can run for Sheriff

and so I went to reserve status and then I went back out into the Private sector and built a marketing company and a um we ended up being a Solar Company right before I ran for office but that was what able was able to get me financially to be able to do the sheriff thing but really it was large in part because I couldn't stand to see what was going on I couldn't watch as our country was changing fundamentally changing and I had I I wanted to be part of the solution not the problem why

did you pick panal County cuz I lived in panal County so you have to live in the county you have to you if you're going to run for Sheriff you got to live in whatever County that you're going to run for sheriff in okay the way You' articulated it meant uh I thought maybe you had mov to panal County to run for Sheriff I moved to panal in 2008 but I decided to run for sheriff in 2011 okay yeah and how did that go a whole new experience you know I Told you earlier I think

life is about challenging yourself you know Finding Your greatness you know like Governor Bradford uh this goes to politics you know Governor Bradford was on the Mayflower and he wrote the Mayflower Compact and he has a quote that says all Great accomplishments are accompanied with great difficulties and both must be but this is where you find out what your courage level is you know I've been doing it as a gang and Drug detective You're running into buildings that you everything inside of you tells you don't run into that building or you know you're you're dealing

with people with guns and you're running towards the fire and the problems as opposed to running away from it and so you condition yourself to continue to look for opportunities to test your courage level this is a different type of test but you know putting yourself out there into the public putting your on the line that was A whole new thing and it's probably better you don't know fully what you're getting into um because you probably wouldn't do it if you did I could imagine who were you who were you running against so we had

a Sheriff that at the time his name was Sheriff Babu he had done a lot of great things in the office but I I was banking on the fact he was going to run for senate or congress so I put in my paperwork and sure enough he was going to run he ran For congress I almost didn't do it though I was in Utah I was running my company my marketing company a lot of the work we were doing was in Utah this was in like probably August of of 2015 and I called my wife

one day and I said honey I've been reading a lot about running for Sheriff and politics and business is going good I don't think I'm gonna do it I don't I don't I don't think I'm going to do it let's we can do it again in four Years or eight years let's just see what happens and she said you know in typical fashion she's like I understand I support you well for the next two days I could not shake the feeling I could I would wake up in the morning all I could think about is

running for Sheriff I all day long working all I could think about was sheriff sheriff sheriff and so two days later I called her back and I said screw it let's do it and so we jumped and we jumped into It and just worked hard and I had this feeling and that if if I would do it the way that I needed to be done and I put in the work that God or whatever you believe in for me it's God would take care of the rest work hard have a good attitude he'll take care

of the rest and so I was outspent I was the underdog I had to completely build name recognition nobody knew who I was and I had to do it all and it was just grinding it out hard work I had to go to all these events I Had to speak in front of them I had to just shake as many hands as I could pass out flyers I did everything and uh up until the day that we the election the other guys thought they were going to beat me so this is his chief Deputy running

they thought they were going to beat me I said we're not losing we're going to win 6040 and we won 63 to 37% that no way wow and it was just hard work grinded it out Being a candidate and doing the job are two completely different things though then the rubber meets the road you know you can say whatever you want as a candidate let's see how you actually do it when you get the job and um over the last eight years just really a lot in part because of the people I've surrounded myself with

and the type of leadership I bring to the table I think we've created something really special in panal County like we have people from All over the country that know who we are as a matter of fact for law enforcement for Facebook followers um across the country the number one Agency for Facebook followers is the FBI number two is the panal county sheriff's office we passed up the NYPD man that is pretty incredible but it's because we decided to take a different approach a marketing approach I took a business approach to it I Looked at

it as if it was a business where the the the shareholders are the taxpayers and I'm expected to give them return on investment I'm expected to give them reports as to how we're doing and instead of you being afraid of social media which a lot of law enforcement people are we embraced it we said okay we're going to use this to our advantage and I have to recruit I'm competing with the Phoenix Market I'm competing with Agencies that pay a lot more so we had to make our we had to create a product that people

cops wanted to be cops again and they they be willing to take a pay cut to be able to come and work for the sheriff's office and we have never lacked in people wanting to come and work for us because of how we allow our guys to be cops no kiding we tell them you want to be a cop come here you want to drive chase people you want to go find the bad guys we support you Here and then you have to go out and actually show your people that's the case and that's what

we did how long did it take you to to to Really gain the respect of your county I mean your your county loves you the whole country as far as I'm concerned everybody that I i' never see anything bad on you it people just love you and so what was there a turning point or was it gradual we so live PD I mean live PD came to us right after we started and I'm like d I'm like a baby deer on ice here like I don't even know I had to get my feet underneath me

here I don't even know what I'm doing yet so about six months into it I told my chief I go hey call live PD back and see if they want to do this and what's live PD live PD is like cops but it was live and it was the number one show on TV at the time it was getting there eventually it became the number one show on on TV and so but you know you got to put you're putting Yourself out there you're showing everybody live how your guys do and so we took on

live PD and that really is what got us moving and we did a show called 60 days in and 60 days in during Co it had already been out but during Co Netflix put it on on T on their uh their platform and millions of people watch 60 days in at that point and so we started really gaining a lot of notoriety there but really the where the leadership piece came in is it took Me about 2 or 3 years to get my agency to believe in us they had battered wife syndrome they had that

you know Flinch every time something happens and so we would say why do you think this is going to happen if you do this well because that's what used to happen no that's not what we're doing here you need to trust us and we had to push that trust and we had to earn it on the on the captain level we had ear it on the the lieutenant level probably the Lieutenants was the hardest level for us to gain the guys on the the line level we did things like saying hey you don't have to

cover your tattoos as long as they're not obscene we're good you can wear facial hair we started to make these little adjustments so we earn so we started getting the support of these the the line level guys same with the sergeants we struggled with the lieutenants the messaging was was we were delivering the messaging and it was Getting jacked up between uh captains and sergeants so lieutenants were so we had to earn their trust took about 2 three years and S after that once they realize and we prove time and time again if you're in

a shooting or you rough somebody up and that we we had their back that we were going to that they were part of a family that we were and not in a way that we were not we were not condone if you broke the law then we're going to hold you accountable but In a way that said you did your job you did it right we're with you and so that took us a few years and then the community they started getting on board pretty much right away with the live PD and since then we've

just continued to build on it I look at it as like a bank account you're in law enforcement there's you can make deposits that's your good stuff you do your little videos you're saving a dog pulling a cat out of a tree you know saving somebody From a fenel overdose those are the little deposits because the withdrawals will come and the withdrawals are heavy you take it like what happened in Minnesota and 2020 if they would have had a better bank account that withdrawal would have probably not hurt as bad but it ended up not

in only hurting them it hurt the rest of the country in law enforcement and so what we've always believed in is you got to build your bank account of Trust with your community small deposits constantly and when the big things come it's okay you got enough to cover it your community trust you enough to know that that's a one-off that's not that's not normal and so but that started years before with us making those small deposits man that's smart thinking when you took other than the the trust of your your agency what what were some

of the what Were some of the challenges you were walking into criminal wise maybe crime wise problems you needed to address in your County Crime wise there was still the Border you know the Border was a problem um we had drugs coming in I mean this where we are in panau County marijuana was a this is a marijuana Corridor so it was not uncommon to get th000 PB 2,000 PB loads of marijuana Backpackers coming across the border packing 50 PB packs of marijuana into Your community not to mention meth and other things and so we

were struggling still with the Border when I first came in internally not crime- wise internally budget relationships with the government within the county um the the the morale amongst the troops those were all the internal things we had to deal with and then on the outward stuff we had to deal with the the you know reducing crime between myself and the County Attorney we've successfully reduced our crime Index every year when crime has been on the rise we've been reducing our crime index and there is no secret sauce it's hold people accountable when they need

to be held accountable and treat people with respect and dignity and and and protect their constitutional rights when not so if you do that then people want to live in your community I don't want to live in a community where they don't hold people accountable that's lawlessness you're you're asking for a Problem I want to live in a community where I know that they treat me good the cops are our friends and they're going to go after the bad guys when they need to and that's kind of what we in a nutshell in a very

simplified way that's what we've done congratulations I just get to take the credit for the work that the other people do I set the vision but you know like I still get out there and work with the Guys I put the vest on I go out I I do traffic stops I I help these guys look for Smugglers on the freeways and I'm still out there getting my hands dirty much how you identify Smuggler on the freeway our guys get really good you know it used to be under under the last Administration was a lot

easier because the cartels weren't making as much money they've gone from making 500 million to3 billion dollar a year a larger part well that pretty much 2021 I mean that's that changed right then are you serious can you say that again so from 2021 they went from 5 2020 they were making 500 million a year to 2021 now making 103 billion a year wait we're talking one year that's how quickly it changed and they're consistently making that kind of money now why holy [ __ ] because of the human trafficking and the drug trafficking so

fenel is a big part of it But the other and and the other part is they've become Global what we did with with the open border policies what happened is is that you you gave them the ability to grow their businesses why because you gave them cash on hand where does the cash on hand come from it comes from the people who come from all over the world who now are going to give the cartel five $6,000 up to $50,000 depending on what country you Come from the cartel now has an A A influx of

business coming in and people are paying cash on hand their business model was different before their business model was a based on people coming and paying to come into the country that was a part of it but their business model was on selling drugs within the country so what did they have to do they had to pay out money to get the drugs into America then you got to pay to get the drugs to Omaha Nebraska Then you got to pay somebody to sell it they take a cut of it now you have to pay

somebody that's going to stay out there and recover the money because they don't just work on good faith you know the cartel doesn't say hey Sean sell the drugs whenever you finish selling them send them back send me the money it's not how it works so now you have somebody that they get paid to recover the money and now they got to ship the money back down to Mexico and run the Risk of getting caught so that was a lot more heavy the business model of how they made money was a lot different now they

have C so much cash you don't know what to do with it so what are they doing now they're expanding their operations globally now they're becoming the people that are providing the drugs and the fenel to places not just in America they're play they're South America Africa Europe not also they have become armies they have enough funding Now billions of dollars to buy the best guns the weapons the Weaponry the the you know the personnel carriers I mean these guys have miniature armies down there yeah yeah yeah you know I I've interviewed uh a couple

of investigative journals ists uh on this subject quite a few of them actually one of them being Luis chaparo and that guy he he talks about the last time he was on he was talking about these armies and you know I just I Never realized that it it at some point it had changed from basically I mean it would seem like bigger than gang violence but along the same type of thing too straight up I mean they have uniforms and gear and yeah chest Rigs and Optics and this isn't this isn't gang violence anymore no

these are they're it's a military they're military operations and they are designed to protect billion dollar Operations and the real they make even more money now because before if I were to sell you a pill how many times can I sell you a pill or a gram of coke or a gram of meth once once you consume it it's gone how many times can I sell you a woman or a child hundreds hundreds of times so not only do these people pay to come in if they can't pay then the cartels give them credit and

the way they make them Work it off is either labor which is you're going to see more crime across this country because these people paid the cartels to come in here even if they showed up from other countries the cartels are making sure they're getting their money I mean there's Parts the gulf cartel the Cartel de G those guys are putting wristbands on people to make sure that they know they paid so they're charging you to come across and if you can't pay they'll do it on credit and Then you have to work it off

so now you're seeing a lot of breaking and enterings and stuff because people owe the cartels they don't want to owe so I got to go steal something if I can't find a job to pay for what I owe the cartel then I'm gonna steal it the women end up working it off in the sex trade the children which by the way are about 150,000 um unaccompanied miners a year right now 150,000 our government has admitted they don't know where about a 100,000 of those children are I mean how is Americans not outraged to know

that a 100,000 children who came here alone without parents we don't know where they're at I'll tell you where they're at they're in the cartels the cartels are using them for hard labor and sex trade and if you don't think so let me just give you some statistics on child sexual abuse material cesam seesam is any uh photo or video depicting a child Being raped or naked so in um 2014 we had 4 million reports of seesam 4 million to the nickm the national Center for missing and exploited children 4 million reports of that so

that means people called and said hey this image this whatever four million times that's a lot last year it was 32 million cesam uh reports 32 million So don't tell me that these children are not being trafficked in this country and we have become the biggest place for slavery and we have been the biggest place for perverse things like child sexual abuse material yeah we're the number one the United States of America is the number one consumer of child pornography in the world yes and the cartels are willing to meet that and they make a

lot of money off of it and it's continual money they sell These women over and over again we had a woman that was coming across the border we caught her and she had a baggie full of pills which by the way eight of 10 women are raped when they come across but she had a baggie full of pills eight of 10 women are raped of 10 women and 50% of gay and trans people are raped by the cartels when they come across so she had a baggie full of pills like 50 pills and we said

what are these pills and she said well when I was was Going to cross the border I knew I'd be raped multiple times these are morning after pills you know where do we get as a country to where we put politics in front of people because that's what's happening because politically your side says we want open borders were were we're allowing eight of 10 women to be raped as they come into this country or children that just disappear into back into the hands of the cartels Let's dissect this a little bit I'm I'm because what

I don't understand is how the cartels are making money trafficking people into the US when there essentially is no border so what exactly is the cartel facilitating and how are how are they able to control our border and who's coming across and who's paying and we're not so this is somewhat of an intricate thing part of it because there's the other part of it the NOS the non-governmental organizations The non-governmental organizations are Charities that are being funded by taxpayer dollars um and so those Charities have an incentive to continue to have a problem because they

will continue to get money for their Charities some of them well intentioned many of them are aiding and abetting and human trafficking so the cartels know that these NOS are willing to bring people to the border to bring them into this country I think the the flow of People would be greater into America if the cartel had the ability to handle more people coming into the country you must pay the cartels if they find out you don't pay them it's you could end up dead in the desert and so most people will not take the

risk every now and then you might find somebody which are very very few and far between who did not pay the cartel some money to come across how how would they how would they know though because as soon as they get Into the the border state the countries and the cartels know who they they watch the airports when they land on the plane these planes at the airports in Mexico they know these large groups coming up um you only have to shoot one or two people in front of a large gr group of people before

they'll all get in line and say yep I'll pay you or I'll you know I'm going to make sure that you get your money the cartels have plenty of people they have an army of people do Ensure that you are not crossing the border unless you've paid the cartels so the cartels control the flow of people into this country but they're not actually smuggling are they actually smuggling people in they have they have Smugglers they have Smugglers at work that will get them right up to the fence I was flying our helicopter just two weeks

ago three weeks ago and we were flying along which by the way we went from the reservation to nog Galis which Is probably 100 and something miles maybe more 200 miles we didn't see a single border patrol agent in that time no MSC trucks which are your radar your your um they've got the sonar systems and stuff um we didn't see any of those no border patrol agents we did see Mexican military on the other side and then we saw some guy walk a group of people line them up at the fence check everybody let

the first group come across lines the Second group up checks everybody again we're flying right overhead we're flying right overhead they have no care in the world and they're leading right into the the country and we filmed them as they walked in into the country right through the opening in the fence and that cartel guy walks back gets in his car drives back can we overlay that video on the the video yeah I'll give it to you before we leave here perfect everybody Needs to see this and this is what happens every day it's not

this is not an uncommon occurrence this is every day in my County we have had a three 3 71% increase no 366 increase in traffic stops involving human smuggling we have had a 471 per increase in Pursuits involving human smuggling we chased a guy the other day we actually pulled him over and the deputy's talking to him and all his stuff isn't lining up and so finally He's he says hey can I search your car boom guy takes off so then we get after him we ended up spiking his car three times and we I

think we popped at least three of his tires if not all four he was still driving 80 mil per hour on the rims of his vehicle we finally pitted him we got him off to the side and uh we hear this pounding on the trunk after we take him into custody and he had a juvenile in the trunk of his car and illegal that it was there Against his will um we pull over cars all the time we've seen four runners with 16 people in it um pull over cars all the time that are people

in it so it goes back to your you you asked me before how do we know who's trafficking and what I started to tell you was it used to be easier because the only the people that were trafficking worked for the cartels they changed their business model they have so much money they were able to Change the business model and it was genius what they said was let's employ Americans to do it so now they go on Snapchat and Tik Tok and all these things and they employ primarily kids um we've seen as young as

12 years old and they'll employ 14 15 16 year olds 17 18 why because they know that if they're under 18 the chances of getting charged are low because they're juveniles and so what they do is they get these kids they pay them ,000 a body so if you put five People in your car that you're in camouflage clothes and carpet shoes and backpacks some of these Gods you hear about you put five people in your car and you drive them to Phoenix you're going to get $1,000 per person five k for a kid that's

15 16 years old so now it's hard because what we used to look for were temp tags and other things now it's really hard to find them because they're just grabbing Grandma's car or their own car and the cars don't fit the What we used to be used to and so that's just Americans going down and taking their car down we've had them fly in we we busted a lady the other day she flew from California rented a turo which is like Airbnb for cars rents this turo drives down to the Border picks up I

think she had three or four picks them up drives back I was actually with Mike Glover that day Mike Glover was in the car with me when we got the stop on that car and she's like I don't know who they Are they're they just needed a ride I don't know and it turned out they were all illegals they were in their camouflage clothes and their carpet shoes and um she had flown in just for that reason rented a car drove down and picked them up was going to go back drop them off turn their

car back in and fly back home and have made $4,000 so how do you combat that how do you combat that in law enforcement how do we look for cars when they're Employing Americans and there is no how do you investigate up if I bust you Sean but you have no idea who's above you how am I going to work that investigation up I can go on to social media but social media is not really helping they're aiding in it betting in it they're the ones providing the platforms for this for the cartels to be

able to to recruit Americans and so I was testifying in Congress and you had these politicians kept saying to me well you know it's Americans doing it not the cartels and I said hold on you keep saying that like that's a good thing I don't see that as good as all I what I see is you've allowed the cartels to make so much money that they can now employ Americans to come in and do their transnational criminal activity in America that's not okay like we we are allowing them to recruit our teenagers because they're paying

them so much money so I mean look it is a Cluster it's a cluster beyond what people can imagine they think that this is a they think that this is a good idea it's a good idea for what they want what they want is to reinvent America they wanted fundament those are not my words those are their campaign slogans to fundamentally transform America and to reinvent America and whether you're a republican a Democrat or independent that should set off alarms in your head If that you want to reinvent America and so what we saw immediately

was the undermining of the rule of law because that's the fabric of America and what better way to undermine the rule of law than to open the borders you begin to flood our communities with they don't end up dealing with the end product the federal government doesn't go out and respond to 911 calls they don't pick up the mess they don't clean up the house when when we have to go Over and find a 15-year-old who just died from a fentanyl poisoning mom's there crying dad's crying and we have to explain to them how this

happened when we know good and darn well where it came from the feds don't clean that up we clean it up and what it's doing is it's undermining the rule of law it's destabilizing Society it's Reinventing America and it's changing the demographic of America now people when I say that they say oh you're talking White people no I'm not talking about that American demographic is whites blacks Hispanics Asians people from any all over the world if you are an American then that is who I'm talking about but what you're doing is allowing all these people

that are coming from countries and they're not Americans and basically now I mean there's estimations that there's anywhere between 40 to 60 million illegals in this country right now that Have come over here over the last you know not just the last three years but for many years and so what Allegiance do they have to America you're basically changing the demographic you saw it in France you saw it in Germany you saw it so when they look at it if that's your if that's your end goal is to destabilize America to reinvent America to change

all the all aspects of it then or to change the voters to be able to get them to vote I Mean then yes they they look at it probably as that they're their plan is is succeeding wow uh I mean how back to how back to the Smugglers and them the cartels hiring Americans I mean how do you combat that if you if you come up with any solutions I mean the only thing that can come to my mind off the top of my head would be roadblocks but then you have then you have traffic

issues so we used to have Roadblocks it wasn't the you it wasn't us it was border patrol had had these checkpoints and the checkpoints were typically 20 30 40 miles off the border and then they would catch a lot of this stuff at the checkpoints this Administration closed those checkpoints down immediately some of the checkpoints have been reopened most have not so you've you don't have the checkpoints in place we're in triage mode law Enforcement is in triage there's so much going on there's so many things happening that we're not able to stop and and

Target The Source because we're triaging the re the the um the the consequences of what's Happening we're Tre in that border patrol is triaging they can they're not even they're not even out there on the border for the most part because they're busy triaging all the amount of people coming in you got 10,000 a day a week Showing up I mean across the border it's probably close to 10,000 a day you can't vet them how do you process them you're bogging our courts down they're giving them court dates now for 2032 what 2032 is when

people who are claiming Asylum which by the way 75 to 90% of those Asylum claims will be overturned when they finally go to court you know I just speaking of Asylum this is a side this is a this is a Sidetrack here but I just spoke to somebody that's Relatively high up in the border patrol and they had told me that now that that the I don't know if it's the government I don't know who created this app have you heard about this cbp1 yes there's an app they now have an who created that app

uh the DHS Department of Homeland Security Department of Homeland Security they love it created an app where now people can claim Asylum from their what home country and we will actually Fly down there and pick them up yeah and bring them here yeah 300,000 they they they caught this Administration having flown like what 300,000 Haitians into our country directly I mean your government is flying them in you know Michael Yan talks about that even if you fix the Border issue they're still going to be flying people in from other countries because they filed they went

through the cbp1 app the cartels have completely Learned how to abuse and use the cbp1 app to benefit them they they extort people and say hey look we we'll do all the stuff we'll help you get through the CBP one app tell you what you do this is how much you have to pay us man I mean it is an extremely broken I mean we're just barely glossing over things too and I mean the cartels are we didn't gotten into the violence you know we had a girl in our jail that um when she came

in we always interview we do a Health assessment and she's like I'm taking 70 I think she was taking 70 plus fenel pills a day 70 a day she was taking these fentel pills her body had become so accustomed to it and when she was detoxing she dies while we were talking to her about why she was taking so many before she died she said I used to do sell drugs for the cartel my girlfriend and I did and one day we came up short and the cartel cut my girlfriend into pieces in Front of

me and since then I've been self-medicating taking these pills I mean this is the brutality that we are we have let the devil in the back door we've let the devil in the back door and yet we still even Americans don't seem to grasp the severity of the problem that exists in our own country when you talk about the sex tradeit and the the human smuggling where are the women being used Utilized in the sex trade so a lot of it is the cartels will'll have brothel they'll have you know they'll pimp them out I

mean they've got organizations set up here where you got a guy who might sell drugs and he also manages the women that are they they sell for sex a lot of it you know the Chinese which by the way we've had 37,000 Chinese Nationals came in last year mostly predominately military age men in 2021 there was only 450 last Year was 30 7,000 and this year is probably already about 30,000 their year ends at the end of September so we will probably hit close to double what it was last year for Chinese Nationals but I

remember watching this investigation where the Border Patrol was doing one or DHS and they were following a guy that was running like these like the Asian or the Chinese or Vietnamese um massage parlor and following him across the country and all the way from California To Florida all the different stops he made and every time it was at a different massage parlor all across the country um a lot of them are in those massage parlors nail salons I mean humans are being trafficked in all sorts of places um there's plenty of people that are criminals

and and have criminal operations in communities that you know pimps people that are pro you know um uh running um you know uh how do I say it running a sex trade you know and they Just get these women that are vulnerable that need to pay the cartels that owe the cartels or or they work for directly for the cartels I mean the sex trade is off the charts it's all over the country it's spread like a disease across this country what about the kids the kids are ending up you know Dr Phil did something

recently where he even talked about it he was on The View out that I watched The View I don't want anybody to look you a big fan of the View go great on I have to pref this by saying I don't watch it but I happen to see this clip and Dr Phil has been doing a lot of work understanding the border and really looking into the the trafficking of these kids because the kids will come with the same address and nobody's taking the time to say hey this is all the same the agents are

the agents are saying guys we're noticing that everybody all the addresses written on their arms of the papers they have Say it's the same address in Chicago or wherever and don't worry about it just process them through and Dr Phil was talking about how a lot of these kids are ending up in like um factories and and doing hard label labor in in factories here in this country or in the sex trade and he was telling this on The View and one of the hosts actually said well is it all of them or some of

them it's like it doesn't freaking Matter if it's one of them it's a problem and yet but that's the mentality the mentality is if it's not affecting me then what do I care that's not okay like as Americans we should say even though it doesn't affect me I can't watch children be trafficked into hard labor or sex trade and you have a 100,000 children that they that they admit they don't really know where they are they admitted 85,000 that was a year ago it Probably the number could be much higher now have you seen anything

in your county oh we see it every day luckily we don't see as many of the women and the children the women and the children are are are typically snatched up by the government because they come in unaccompanied for the most part I still get children I mean I have um you know we had a car you can go online where we go to pull it over and it just starts to slow down and Boom it shoots off into the desert off just straight up Offroad and running over Cactus and and we're chasing it and

um right as we pull to a stop I jump out and the door is open the driver because the driver and the passenger fled and um it's a it's a like a extra cab truck so it's not a full quad cab it's just the extra cab and those two guys had run off and they're running down the hills into the desert and then I pull up my gun and I'm looking and quick glance I see two Females a baby or a young girl and a man in the back of the truck and uh then I

took off and started chasing those guys but the girl had committed she had on credit she owed the Cel 13,000 um and the other guys had paid I think 6,000 to come into the country and what you don't see on camera is her feet were completely blistered out they were wet like you know marching on wet socks and her feet were just blistered out and what you don't see is me and my sergeant Um taking her shoes off taking her socks off uh treating her feet bandaging up her feet getting her you know because at

that point the adrenaline's off and you're just she couldn't even hardly walk on her feet for good reason she darn you lost the whole bottoms of her feet um you don't see the humanity that we bring to it I always the politicians will say well it's just really in you guys are really inhumane I that's funny because I've never seen you down here I've never seen you down here in the desert pulling people out that the cartels lead for dead I don't see you here stopping these people from getting trafficked by the cartels into the

sex trade or or whatever else I don't see you down here uh expending all your resources and energy trying to trying to save these people from the cartels and but we do that every day our guys go out every day border patrol does It every day and we treat these people with kindness and we we understand that in many ways many of these people are victims of of the cartels victims of our failed policies um and what we're looking for we're looking for those bad guys the terrorists those things and the terrorists are there too

talk to the FBI and I know we're rolling into a different subject on it but talked to the FBI guy recently and he says I'm not Concerned as concerned about the terrorists as I am about the secondary and the tertiaries the people that are technically not on the terrorist watch list yet it's like a biker gang you have a biker gang and you got your patch members you got your prospects and you got your hangarounds the bike the patch members very rarely put in work the work is usually done by the prospects and the Hangarounds

and that's much how it is in these organizations you've got secondary and tertiary um people that are still part of those cartel or those uh terrorist organizations they just are not on our list yet but they're still willing to put in the work I mean even if they are on the list what happens no the government's letting them in for the most part I mean what the FBI is a whole another subject but I know I mean I don't even Know I got to calm myself down I know and I'm trying I us a positive

watched the director of the FBI talk about how our power grid water treatment plants all of these are compromised by Chinese hackers I've been talking about this for years on the show and this [ __ ] shows up in front of Congress or wherever maybe the Senate I can't remember which one to talk about [ __ ] I've been talking about here for 2 years it's like good [ __ ] job buddy Yes Federal Bureau of Investigation good great work [ __ ] [ __ ] I feel the same way you did I was at

a month and a half two months ago I was in DC and he and my orcus both show up and he starts talking about the same thing the threats the to our elections the the cyber security threats and one of the sheriff's Sheriff Butler from um Sheriff Jones from Butler County Ohio he puts him on blast he says Hey the FBI is Saying get ready we're going to have all these things so the the media calls me and they go Sheriff what do you think about this you know about the uh about the sheriff saying

that the FBI is saying there's major threats I go first first of all I don't need the FBI to tell me that we've we've got threats going on in this country I've been telling them for two to three years that what we're facing and now they're finally admitting it like this is a re Like where were you what what do they what what does what does the FBI even do I don't I don't even know what the f after Americans you know at this point and look some people are going to watch this and say

you know there are good FBI agents un fortunately we're those guys are are timing out a lot of these good FBI agents we're not going to we put a bureaucrat a technocrat a lawyer in charge of the FBI not a line level guy who understands what it is to do the Work and be do investigations they put a lawyer Chris Ray in charge of of the FBI um they have a political agenda and you know these good FBI agents on the ground you know they're just being P they're being told which direction to going and

frankly I see more effort on the FBI going after American citizens um we see him going after the the parents at school boards and this is not if you're if you're listening to me and you're thinking oh he's just saying that you Know political bull crap no two years ago I was in a meeting in um at The Greenbrier in West Virginia for a sheriff's conference and we did an Intel meeting and the DHS Chief comes on not my orcus but one of his guys comes on over this zoom and he starts to say hey

our primary concern are domestic violence terrorism terrorists and I'm thinking whoa what do he about ready to say and he goes now these are going to be um the parents School boards people who don't believe that the election was you know legit um and he starts going down veterans he starts going down this list of people my blood is boiling he finishes and I the second he finished I hit that thing and I said how dare you not how dare you say that the American person is your greatest threat I said not only did you

describe me you described many of the people that believe contrary to what this Administration thinks I said then You felt that that's your greatest threat not once did you mention antifa or BLM and they literally red havoc on this country over the last few years you didn't mention them you didn't mention the cartels that are trafficking tens of thousands of people into this country every month you didn't mention the fenal poisonings which has become the leading cause of death in America you didn't mention any of that you think that the primary threat to America is

Americans I Said I don't have any cases with Americans of what you're telling me and I'm on the ground boots on the ground and he says well you know Sher if we try to apply the law equally and I said well your actions say otherwise and I knew at that moment many of us are the enemy to them yeah and it's sad it's sad because we're just Patriots we just love this country we love God family freedom and the Constitution and that's what we're trying to protect and and I see how the Country is being

weakened by the border how we're putting ourselves at tremendous risk and now we got the FBI finally showing up 10 years late to the party but they're not showing up what are they going to what are they going to do he's just regurgitating [ __ ] that I talked about two years ago now even the fentol [ __ ] you know the fentol stuff we had this the same guy Luis chaparo you know he was he came on this was probably three years ago now and had had broken The story that China is essentially aiding

the cartel and is a big part of they're behind the whole fentel CR they are now just now they're starting to talk about this in mainstream I hear election I hear elected uh uh uh sorry people running for office talking about it I hear the the the the media stting to report it and it's but I I oh man it's just can I talk about the terrorism thing for a second Absolutely in America we've been conditioned to view terrorism a certain way we've been conditioned let me back that up real Let Me Explain real quick

why this is different than what it's always been first of all the Border used to be predominantly people from Mexico coming across they would come over here they would work the cartel had some of their people in there they were trafficking some drugs across but a lot of those people were just coming to work And they would go home after a while so the majority of what you had was people from Mexico and at the very top of the graph you had a small percentage of people that they be that border patrol and the government

refers to as otms other than Mexicans how this has changed the LA is the last three years that flip-flop that changed now what we see are predominantly people coming from 170 different countries 170 that's the total Of different 170 different countries you got them coming from all over Central and South America you got them coming from Haiti you got them coming from all the the countries in Africa you got them coming from Syria the Middle East usbekistan Afghanistan Russia Ukraine everywhere now what you see is predominantly otms with the smaller percentage of Mexicans that are

coming across that's a national security threat Now rolling into the second thing I was going to tell you we've been conditioned As Americans to see terrorism as a as a bomb going off or as um a plane crashing into a building or somebody walks into a crowded building with a gun and shoots people that's how we've been conditioned to see terrorism terrorism we are under a terrorist attack and it and I'm going to tell you how and it's just looks very different and it sounds very Different over the last three years the leading CA of

cause of death in America between the ages of 1845 for American civilians is fenel poisoning China is putting the fenel in the hands of the cartels the cartels are put in the hands of Americans and they are successfully without setting off a single bomb without firing a single shot have killed more Americans than any terrorism has ever killed in the history of our country more than any army has Ever killed of of American civilians and they're doing it right in our own right underneath our nose without firing a single shot how can you tell me

that this is not the greatest terrorist threat that we have ever faced what kills more Americans now than anything is fenel we are under a terrorist attack it just looks very different and it sounds very different than what we're used to But they're killing Americans and in my book that's how you determine if it's a threat and if families are up at night wondering if their children are going to come home or if they're going to wake up and find their children dead because of fenal poisoning then I think that's enough of terrorism which is

exactly why we should call these cartels the terrorists that they are if we deem them terrorists we can actually use military force to deal with them because we don't Have in law en forment it's beyond our scope it's beyond our capabilities we don't have the Firepower to deal with the cartels at this point and the only way you can deal with them is to declare them the terrorists that they are and China is behind this these are the Opium Wars of 1893 while we were not part of that they could they consider the West to

be England America all of us we're all in the west and so um they're exacting very Patiently they have waited a long time and we are under that attack back right now yeah I'm with you I'm with you let's take a quick break let's do we come back we'll maybe we'll talk about try to do some positive stuff how we can solve this this mess with the with the cartels and the Fentanyl and the Border awesome I want to tell you about this business venture I've been on for about the past 78 months and it's

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and uh but let's I want to talk about some solutions now you know and so everybody has an idea on how to fix this I've heard a lot of different takes uh I'd like to hear if you have maybe some solutions look what they are it's simple you know anytime you have a problem the idea is to simplify it as Much as possible um if you simplify it you're you're like more likely to get through it and and the reality is it's as simple as just enforcing the rule of law you can't just come across

here illegally that's not okay and if you do it again we should be holding you accountable under title 8 we should res restore the remain in Mexico program we just don't let you wait for your court date here in America for Asylum stuff you got to stop Funding these NOS stop sending them money you know part of the reason I was against the recent border bill first of all it wasn't a border bill it was a global assistance bill they were taking money from Americans and they were giving it to other countries and still they

were not fixing the problem they were throwing money at at Band-Aids on the back side of it they were talking about money for Dei programs within um border patrol that's Not going to fix the problem so stop fun and part of that Bill had $2.3 billion that was going to go towards ngos here in this country and those are the non-governmental organizations and then they had n .3 billion I think it was um but over9 billion they wanted to give to through the uh to Global assistance through the state department ultimately the lot of that

would go to the un uh I took a lot of heat because back when we were talking about the Border stuff I Said look they're giving these folks when they process them they're giving them uh cell phones they're giving them plane tickets to wherever they want to go in the country and they're giving them gift cards with up to $5,000 on it and and immediately the media went crazy and they tried to debunk me as like verify said I was spreading false information and I had a couple of the reporters ask me like well you

know where did you get this information Where'd you get yours from the same people in the Washington DC who' been lying telling you that the border is secure that nobody's just crossing over the border is that where you got your information from cuz I got mine from boots on the ground actual border patrol agents and my own two eyes and whenever I go to the airport and see all these people flying in brand new clothes um and see the and the government admitting their giv cell phones and then about Three weeks later four weeks later

which ironically Vindicated me um the UN admitted they had given $1.6 billion to 248 NOS uh in the way of cash and gift cards for the trafficking of people into our country so you can't fund the NGO go but really it boils down to just enforcing the law turning the taking the handcuffs off border patrol letting them secure the Border you don't let anybody come in here no more false Asylum claims none of That stuff has to be shut down um that's the really the simplest way to regain control of it because immediately that starts

to have a financial impact on the cartels and when the cartels are making less money um they're going to have to transition into different things and I think you also have to declare them the ter that they are like we talked about you've got to be able to deal with the cartels once and for all how would you deal with the cartels let's say that Let's say the border is secured let's say let's let's say the border is I mean I don't know how you secure the Border I mean I uh Beyond some type of

a barrier a wall a fence whatever you want to call it then we talk about the tunnels and all the other ways that they're getting in flying them in through the app you know so how do you how do you affect the cartels well you affect them money it's first and foremost so anything you do Needs to be has a needs to be geared towards eliminating their sources of income um and as if if you stop letting people come in they'll stop showing up they're not going to fly halfway around the world just to end

up in Mexico and be stuck there the majority of these people are coming a because they're being funded by NOS B because uh they know that they're going to get into our country but if they know they're not going to get in that's naturally going To reduce the flow it's inevitably going to to affect the income that the cartels are making um it's going to increase the price of drugs again because now the supply reduces and the cartels are going to make Mone want to make money off of the uh drugs that they're bringing in

it makes it easier for us to find the drugs because now instead of processing 10,000 people a day CBP and Border Patrol are able to actually look for what their job is people coming into the country Illegally and bringing drugs into the country illegally um but you need to declare them terrorists because then you can actually apply military force to them I'm not saying you do it without Mexico's permission I think you can engage Mexico as a partner and say look we're committed to doing this why would Mexico do anything right now we're not committed

we have a weak pres we have a weak Administration mhm whether you like them or not they just have shown Weakness on the global level and people taken advantage of that you know and um so I think what we need now is more strength uh and if you had somebody strong with resolve I think Mexico would say okay let's go after them it wouldn't take much some special forces units you know hell we bomb Zara he doesn't affect hardly any Americans yet we're not willing to ba bomb the cartels and they're killing Americans to the

tune of 100,000 a Year well the whole yeah it's you have to meet force with Force like this is the only way that we're going to have to have we're going to have some hard times we're going to have to get we're going to have to get tough with the cartels we're going to have to get tough with letting people into this country I mean one thing we learned in the global war on terrorism is if we send in the soft units to get these leaders right Just another leader yeah just another leader I mean

I think that the you know the global the GWT was what 20 20 plus years but I remember a a time when I was in and I I don't remember exactly which period of time it was and how long this period of time last but I remember getting Intel reports saying that the number two had about a two-e life expectancy and it was just boom boom every two Weeks there's another number two and so how do you really affect the cartel you know that's a great that's a great question and you're always going to have

somebody backfill it but I think it's different in the sense of what you deal with in the terrorists over in the Middle East you know it's driven by a whole totally different thing what drives it here is financially I mean these guys are fighting over the money I Mean you still when took Chapo off it created instability amongst the caloa cartels you got Sara you got Los salares you you got the chapitos you know and every time you take those people off it that does create a vacuum but it also creates instability right now they're

just they everything's working for them the only people benefiting from the open border policies right now are the cartels I mean that's who's benefiting yeah um and We can't continue to fund people coming to this country we have people we have veterans that are being not looked after we have people that paid into Social Security their entire life and they might get a check for $1,700 a month while you're giving illegals right now $2,200 a month you're giving them hotel rooms you're giving them food like this is a that's a slap in the face to

Americans I mean what do you think I've thought about this a lot I've talked to You know Eric Prince thinks we should go after China with when it comes to the fent and all stuff because that's where the it it originates you know a lot of people uh I interviewed DeSantis he thinks we should send in you know teams to get the military to to to get into it with the cartels I think the I think the way to do it is a scop war and turn these cartels against each other cuz they're always at

war with each other right and so if we and we're Great at propaganda that's pretty damn obvious at this point we are really [ __ ] good at spreading propaganda and [ __ ] lies especially in our own country and so if we inserted some operatives down there uh or just recruited some assets you know maybe if the I don't know the FBI actually did their [ __ ] job or I don't know maybe the CIA could get involved any anybody man the border patrol although I'm pretty sure that's Out of their scope but I

mean if you were to send in and or recruit some assets and start a scop war and you make these cartels think that each other is the enemy the probably the problem probably I mean I think there's a high potential it would take care of itself with minimal with minimal funding with minimal exposure I mean we do this [ __ ] all over the world you know we do it all Over the world we could have with these guys too and I agree would be it's all it's a lot of ego yes in there too

it's a machismo thing and really it's about the money that's what makes it different I don't think it's fundamentals it's not religion it's not it is about money it's about making money off of humans and drugs and so I think if you can create instability in that and and and let them fight each other it would be a huge benefit to us now inevitably some of That could flow over into America likely but if you create an unstable situation there you're a lot less likely to get all these people showing up as well but right

now everything's just perfect everything's setting not perfect in a good way perfect for the cartels perfect for people who are trafficking humans into this country perfect for globalism I mean everything that is is could take advantage of this situation is happening right now are you familiar with how it Works when it comes to look I go to Nashville airport I see these these people that don't speak English are very obvious not from the US and they get shuffled through security they get shuffled to the front of the line they get shuffled onto the airplane nobody

really knows who they are or or we what's happening who's facilitating that I mean our government I our government's the one facilitating it but it's designed to to create you know Globalism I mean where do they where do they where do they round these people up from they show up to get checked in at border patrol and you have NOS waiting to scoop these people up as soon as they're released and the NOS are financially incentivized to send these people around the country to help them get to different places to get them close to get

them shelter um then they send them off to New York Chicago look all this was happening for years and I've been saying it was happening for years yeah there are you're they kept talking about DeSantis and and Abbot over in Texas busing people up to Chicago and New York for every bus they sent there was at minimum 10 buses and 10 plane loads coming from our own government sending them to Chicago and New York the problem is is at first it was it was they were spreading it out and it was fairly undetectable and we

kept saying wait you you're going to see It's happening in your area well now you have places in Kansas with a population of 12,000 where there's a thousand illegals in there I mean this is what's happened is we filled the cup it's overflowing now and places like Chicago and New York are feeling the effects everybody wants to blame somebody too and you know they want to blame Governor Abbott and Des santis when in reality it was their own policy their own Sanctuary City policies that encouraged people to Come there they talked about how great they

were how much better they were than the rest of the country how self-righteous they they took that self-righteous stance and now they got caught uh in their own words and I mean I I don't uh I don't want to say who cares about Chicago and New York but I mean technically they did want this yeah correct yeah I mean they did they they wanted this they wanted to be a Sanctuary City they wanted to support this now they don't that's the semi problem like now you have exactly what you want and you can [ __

] live in that forever [ __ ] you but but what about what about all the people in the areas that aren't a sanctuary City why what are the why are these Governors taking this in I don't know look I mean I think they think they're doing a good thing and a lot of them were incentivized by federal Dollars we saw this during covid you know during Co I'm like look I'm not doing the lockdowns I'm not doing the mass mandates and I'm not doing the vaccine mandates I'm not doing it and the county kept

saying to me well the government I said what are they going to do the only thing they can take from you is your funding that's it that's where the federal government gets all these states and communities over a barrel because they offer you grant funding if You if we're going to give you this covid funding we're going to give you once you take the money you're done and so I kept telling them I don't care they can take all the federal funding I don't need it I will adjust my Sheriff's Office what little Federal funding

I get if I have to lose it I'll adjust what we do and I'll deal with it accordingly but but if if you can't take their power away from them and their power is federal funding then you're screwed and A lot of these governors in a lot of these places are more more interested in the federal funding that the government gives them and then they end up falling into taking things in like this where they normally wouldn't like how much funding are we talking about because so you bring you you bring in a bunch of

illegals the crime wave goes through the roof and then you what take take that Federal funding just a attempt to to lower the crime rate look at Chicago and New York York what do they do what's the first thing they started doing we need help with this we need some federal funding to deal with this problem they want more funding and the government is like okay we'll give you more Federal funding but then they own you after that and that's the problem is they that's where the federal government where's the funding even going though it

goes funding for what what are they doing pay they're just giving these people an Allowance every month in a in in an apartment none of is to fix the problem that's the problem none of it's designed to fix the problem take homelessness you take a guy in San Francisco Gets a Job his job pays him $250,000 a year to deal with homelessness and he goes out and he gets tells the government hey I could fix this with2 billion we can fix all the homelessness problem what incentive does he really have to fix the problem he

doesn't because he loses his $250,000 A year job if he does plus all the funding that comes in so a lot of these government people they they're incentivized by just keeping the pro the program going or the problem going because they make good salaries dealing with the problem second of all the government takes it and they use those Pro they use those funds for different programs within their states within their communities within their counties so the funding goes towards fixing like Drug addiction problems but you can mop the bathroom floor all day long until you

turn the tub water off your you your efforts are futile so my point is stop spending the money on trying to fix Band-Aid put Band-Aids on the problem and actually to take the money and apply it to the to the source of the problem if we would actually take money and put it towards fixing the Border problem then we would spend less money and then we could deal we could Eliminate a lot of this backend nonsense that goes on but everybody is is got a piece of the pie and everybody whether it's an NGO that

wants more funding and and they've got their when Tucson was going to lose their funding um a bunch of the NOS because they hadn't passed the government budget yet a lot of these NOS were getting in the media and crying about how they were going to lose their funding and now we're going to have to kick people on the street and this and That the second they signed that bill I haven't heard a thing from those NOS about funding anymore why because they got their money and they were the City of Tucson was was actually

contemplating allocating some of the money to deal with the backend issues of it from taxpayer dollars it's just it's all re it's all about money and there's a lot of people that uh and I don't know what the motive is because it doesn't feel like there's A motive but they are on their own little level they are incentivized to continue de to treat the symptoms of the problem as opposed to treating the actual problem damn let's talk about your your run for Senate that's why all of this is part of the reason why I decided

to do it like I when I read for Sheriff I'm not a politician like I tell people I I'm a patriot who loves God family freedom and The Constitution that's why I do what I do um I love the rule of law and then I'm willing to fight for it but as a law enforcement guy you know when the building's on fire it's not in my nature to just stand there and watch it burn to the ground or when you see a problem you just stand there and wait for somebody else to deal with it

what I saw in this country was a problem the buildings on fire and and really it's the main issues no matter where I go in the country are Border the economy crime and National Security those are the the the preeminent issues no matter where I go especially in the state and that number one and two are always Border in economy and so when when I was coming to the end of the last election cycle I wasn't running I was making fun of everybody who was running a Statewide race this is what you get from making

fun of people don't do it my wife and I look like look at These idiots running for a Statewide election here I am so my wife and I actually decided that we were we were going to not we were going to come up with a list of reasons of why not to do this and in that process we started feeling very compelled to do it I'm going to share a couple personal stories with you that kind of drove me to this I have five children my middle son Cooper uh when he was 14 or 15

started hanging around the wrong people got into drugs Eventually started getting into even fenel and um at one point we were said we said you can't drive our cars you you cannot drive our cars and we went to a charity event and I get a phone call from my son Cooper He says Dad I just hit a guy on a bike and so we hustled out of there drove over to where he was I get out of the car I check on my son I look at him I'm like hey are you okay yes I

walk over to the guy I see the guy laying on The ground and I'm just praying this guy and you know they're they're working him the the firefighters are working him and I'm just praying he doesn't die CU if he dies I mean we got problems we got problems anyway but so go back to my son and one of the hardest things I've ever done in my entire life was my son standing there he's there's eight cops standing around him and I looked him in his face and I said I have to leave you here

if I stay here they're going to say That I influence this case in some way so you're on your own he was 18 or I think he was 18 or 19 at the time and so one of the hardest things to do was to walk away from him get in my car and drive away and let consequences um let him deal with the consequences of his decisions and ultimately the guy did not die the guy survived my son got sentenced the way the law works is by the time you get sentenced is usually Two years

later so he had some more struggles and part of the reason my wife and I wrote our first book my First Book American Sheriff Traditional Values in the modern world I wrote that book and my wife wrote her book sheriff's wife Traditional Values in a modern world so I to pay for the legal fees and the and the the the lawsuit that of getting hit cuz he lived in my house he was driving one of our cars and he hit the GU so we became financially responsible for it so To be able to pay for

that and to be able to pay the lawyers fees my wife and I wrote books and we went and sold those books every weekend at gun shows and any other event we could go to so that we could pay for my son's legal expanses so by the time um about a 6 months eight months later my son actually starts pull out of it and he cleans his life up and he goes cold turkey from fentanyl to cold turkey and he had been clean about a year and a Half and he ends up going and doing

six months in my jail you want to know how you treat your your inmates put your own kid in your own jail and you'll find out real quick but my son had to do his own time and I made him do his time straight up like anybody else would and um so my son gets out of jail and I tell you this whole story because it's part of why I'm running for the Senate when he gets out I tell him I said look I'm considering running for The Senate this is October and my son says

uh I said but if I do it they're going to drag everything about you hitting the guy on the bike it's going to come back full front full force they're going to trash you they're going to trash me and he's like Dad I know I understand but I think you you got to do what you got to do you're doing it for the right reasons and so I don't know that I would have done it fast forward to December he's working he's got his Fiance his baby is 11 months old and my son goes to

work one day it's December 16th my wife and I were that I was out at a dinner and I'd been out rapping been doing some Christmas shopping my wife was out rapping presents at our H at our house and I get home about 30 minutes later 8:30 at night I get a knock on the door and we open the door and it's the sheriff from the neighboring County Sheriff Penzone two of my Chiefs and two guys from Gilbert PD and my chief who's known my kids for a long time since they were little kids he

just looked at me and all he could say is Cooper and the baby are dead in an instant I lost my 22-year-old son my 11-month old granddaughter and my sunby daughter-in-law died a few days later she was like a daughter to us cuz we we had had her she had come out of drugs and we she lived with us for two years while we brought them out of drugs and so all three of them died in a In the blink of an eye to a guy driving in the influence of alcohol and drugs at that

point my wife and I weren't interested in doing anything I wasn't interested in running for a senate wasn't interested in running for a sheriff I didn't even want to get out of bed we were just we were devastated and so finally about 3 weeks after we do the funeral and I don't remember what it was but somebody said something to me and just like that boom it sparked me Back in and what I realized I looked at my wife and we knew immediately this is what we had to do and what it reminded us is

there is no guarantee for tomorrow and the only thing you take with you in this life is what you do and so we looked at that experience and said we're going to get up we're going to dust ourselves off we're going to move forward we're going to do what the Lord's asking us to do and so at that point we were full force we didn't want To do the Senate thing I'm not a politician like somebody said to me the other day they said so now Sheriff your goal is to go to Washington DC and

and do this and that and I stopped him and said my goal is not to go to Washington DC my goal is to save God family freedom in this constitution if that means I have to go to DC to do it then so be it I can get all dressed up for nothing so let's do it so we get into the senate race and that's why we're here now you Know it's not tough like being in the in politics is rough man you they say you want to know what you did wrong in life run

for office you'll find out whether you did it or didn't do it you're going to find out that's how politics is but I believe what Aristotle says that he says the only way to avoid criticism and is to do nothing say nothing or be nothing well I refuse to not do anything I refuse to not say anything and I certainly refuse to not be anything so My wife and I made the decision that we were going to do this and um we don't know what the outcome is but what we do know is if we

have a good attitude and work hard God will take care of the rest and I'm in the arena I'm slugging it out and I don't know what the outcome will be but for me and my kids it was about getting in the arena and doing what you can to save this country there Mark I'm sorry about your son thank you And your grandkid yeah and your daughter-in-law thank you it happens you know you get a lot of people and I know you've probably faced it I I get people all the time that get angry with

God because they think God in some way had something to do with it or could have stopped a bad thing and we kind of talked about this earlier at my core what I love is freedom I love It what happens in this world is not because God doesn't care what happens in this world is because God does care he gave us freedom he cared enough to give you Freedom with freedom comes the good and the bad there must be opposition in all things if you want freedom you can't take the good and not expect the

bad to come the way I look at bad things in this world is I actually take it and I to me I give God even more credit that he has the ability to sit and watch us f It all up and and treat each other horribly and to hurt one another and to do these things but he he the the principle of freedom is so great that he has to step back and say I have to let these things happen and I want I'm okay with it I lost a son and a granddaughter and and

a daughter-in-law but I'm okay with it because the alternative is to have no freedom for the everything to be crafted in a way where none of us get hurt and to me that's not what freedom Is if you want freedom there is pain that's where the growth is but Freedom comes with risk and pain and I think more than anything we shouldn't be angry with God we should be happy that God is willing to stand aside and let us exercise our freedom and make the decisions for ourselves good or bad so in this life I

don't blame God for bad things happening I look at it and say somebody used their freedom and made a bad decision it took something from me But I get it because I exercise my freedom in different ways and I don't want anything to jeopardize my freedom that same passion is what drives me to fight for my country and yes do bad things happen that I have to sit by and watch happen do I have to listen to people that I don't agree with when I want to protect the First Amendment yes I do I hate

what they say but I'll fight them I'll fight anybody for their right to do it and so so I think um you know We took that experience and instead of being angry with God we said thank you we will move forward and we're going to use this experience as as fuel to drive us in the direction we're going that's a lot of strength man thank you for sharing that you're welcome thank you let's talk about we had spoken on this earlier but I think it's important for everybody to hear we I had asked you at

Breakfast what what is the process for running for Senate you know I don't know what the if there's a set process I actually had a guy call me the Friday before I turn in my signatures and he says hey you know we really could use you on the campaign Trail talking about the Border um being a real mouthpiece for that but to do that you need to um step away from the senate race and Mind you this gentleman had called me at least once or twice before I've probably had at least eight to 10 people

come and try to talk me out of doing it and um who are these people um people that people that are with the people I'm running against um you know people coming from other political worlds you know from DC uh but they came to me and said hey you know we want you to do this but you got to get out of the senate race I said Well I I I appreciate that but I can't get out of the senate race you know I support Trump I'm I'm not getting out of the senate race I'm

in it because I feel the need to do this and and they said well we should just all get behind one person I said I agree I think I bring the skill set for that I understand the Border I've been a sheriff I understand what it means to be in politics I understand what it means to ser serve Republicans Democrats and independents Everybody I think I'd be the right person for it they said well you didn't get permission to do it like permission from who that's what immediately I said I don't need permission I don't

need permission to run you know what I need permission from is my wife that's it or the people that's who I need their permission for if they sign my petition that's their permission that I get to do this for them I don't need permission he's like well you know I didn't mean Permission and you know like I said no yes you did do you know this person yeah I do yeah can I ask who it is uh I don't want to blast that put the guy on blast but you know it it it came from

from Trump World um and look I you know I've always been a very big strong supporter of it of trump and I his policies and it was kind of disappointing and I said look I did talk to president Trump about running I did talked to him we went we Met at maral Lago and I talked that night you know I talked to my opponent now Carrie Lake she was one of the ones that talk me into running and I said okay I think I'm going to do it then we walked over to president Trump's table

and we told him and he goes well that doesn't constitute getting permission I was like look man I don't need permission from anybody good for you man and so when we talk about the process the process is really no particular Process you just have to go out and get the signatures 7500 signatures 7,000 signatures to get on the ballot so what you have to do is you got to file your paperwork for your campaign Federal campaign then you got to go out and get the signatures and you're I mean I've been stumping I've given speeches

hundreds and hundreds of speeches in the last a year and a half all over the the state and and outside of the state and what you're trying to do is raise money But the worst and we kind of talked about this the most disappointing part of it is when you go to DC they say hey who uh how much money can you raise that's the first question they ask not like what's your background what kind of strengths do you have how much money can you raise and if that doesn't tell you the state of our

politics in this country that it's all about money you know I was telling you earlier there's the saying that absolute power corrupts Absolutely and I saw somebody else had a different take on it it's not that absolute power corrupts absolutely it's that absolute power is a magnet for the corruptible and so in politics and in DC what we have is people that have been drawn to the to the power the magnetized towards the power but they are corruptible people and when they get to DC the money corrupts them and whether it's you know you took

money to to get your campaign Going or maybe they have blackmail on you maybe you were you know you went to the wrong party and they got video of you doing something or whatever it is is you know they tend to get something on you to where you now are over a barrel and um so the trying to stay out of that is what I've been doing here's what I said to my wife I said I'm going to run an honorable race I'm going to win with honor or I'm going to lose with honor I'm

not going to be negative I'm going To stay focused on what who I am and what what um experience I bring to the table and why I think I'm right for the job and then I am going to work hard and everything else is outside of my fate you know it's outside of my control and so what that's what we've done and I've actually gotten rid of a couple different Consultants because I didn't want to go down the negative Road and and like most politicians the second they get their back up against the wall They

want to attack they want to lash out as opposed to just having the cool calm cool temperament to say what kind of problem I am and how do I get out of it um and I think in politics Americans hungry for somebody that's authentic and the way they get out of it is just tell me who you are and let me decide if I want to vote for you yep and so the process has really just been a lot of hard work speaking to a lot of people going out and getting the signatures Being a

positive person addressing the issues talking about the experience I have there is no other candidate in this race with more experience on the border on crime I run an agency with a budget of over $60 million I'm expected to balance that budget and stay within that budget that understands National Security frankly I will be the most knowledgeable senator in the Senate as it relates to the border and and and crime at Breakfast you had mentioned that they wanted you to leave the senate race and run against my friend Eli crane yes who wanted you to

leave the senate race and run against the elite crane so I got a call from a guy that knows me and he's in DC and he said hey look some Powers at be in DC want to know and he didn't tell me who they were I suspect that they were probably the McCarthy guys like cuz Eli crane went against McCarthy um what what Eli crane did was go he went for the American people and then people in politics take offense to that when you're not on their you know team or whatever um so Eli does

the vote they get rid of McCarthy well these people call me and sayy hey there are some people in DC they they say you are wildly popular in your District your congressional district um which is where Eli crane is would you consider running against Eli Crane and I said let me stop You right there I said first of all unlike you people in DC I'm loyal and Eli crane is my friend so no I won't run against Eli crane number two I have zero desire to run for Congress I barely want to run for Senate

why would I want to run for something I have to run for every two years I don't want to do that and number three if I win if I step away that's as good as giving uh that race over to gyo in Arizona and honestly we cannot do that so those were my three Reasons and they said okay message received we'll we'll send it back and I never heard from them again but I thought it was sad that they were out trying to recruit people to run against good people like Eli Crane and you know

everybody wants wants somebody to stand up for him but then they get a little bit uncomfortable when the work gets when it gets a little hairy when it gets a little scary when the bullets start to fly and Eli crane was actually In the middle of it doing what he was supposed to do defending Americans and saying look you're out you're broken we got to fix it at some point we can't keep kicking can down the road and a lot of these politicians want to just keep kicking can down the road they want to keep

up with what the system that they've created for themselves and he was not willing to do that and that's what we need are elected officials and frankly to do to to fix what we're going To fix is going to take extreme courage yeah and if you know what courage means courage is defined as not deterred by danger or pain that's what the definition of courage is and so if you want to fix this country you have to understand there's dangers with it and there's pain that comes along with it but if not we're going to

we're going to drive ourselves into the ground and we're we're almost there I want to go back just a little Bit so Carrie Lake I don't want to say endorsed but supported your decision to run for Senate correct yes and then she's decided later on to run against you yeah we met at maral Lago December 2nd 2022 gave me a call I was out there speaking calls and says hey come on over to Mar Lago and let's uh have dinner so we go over there really cool I didn't bring a coat so they gave me

some funky little Tuxedo coat I had to wear in there but it's got like a tail on it so I'm walking around with this tuxedo jacket on but you have to have a coat to eat at the maralago restaurant right on and so we go in there and we sit down it's my wife and I and her and her husband and two of her campaign people and um we're talking about the race they like hey you got to run they were all excited this nobody else can do it you're the guy you got the name

recognition we can do like This Yellowstone theme and all this stuff and and I'm telling them like look I'm pretty close to doing it I hadn't lost my kids at that point I it was two weeks later I lost my kids and I said I'm pretty I'm pretty I'm I'm pretty confident I'm going to do it so then we walked over and it's funny because if you sit in marago president Trump um he creates a playlist every day and when he goes to dinner at night at at the restaurant he does the playlist and when

A song comes on that he likes he turns the music up really loud so he can hear the song but we walk over to his table between songs and she says hey you know I and I met Trump plenty of times and we had gone to the White House several times and she says Hey Sheriff Lamb's considering running for the Senate he say is that right yeah said yeah you know think I'm I'm going to do it and um and that was pretty much it you know then I went back and then I lost my

kids And then um January or February or March is when I really got serious about it again and and and filed the paperwork and so then she decided to run after that and look you know I don't get too emotional about those things you know you you decide if you're going to get in the arena at that point who it doesn't matter who your opponent is you know if you're going to if you're going to go do this you're going to go do it no matter Who they throw at you and so we went in

there knowing that that might be the case and uh it's not going to affect how I run my race because I'm not running my race geared towards somebody else yeah I'm running a race about me and about what I think I can do and why I think I'm the best person for Arizona and because I do it that way it doesn't matter who you put in there with me do you have any inclination on why she decided to run against you after Basically supporting your decision I do I think it was because I went to

to Congress and testified in front of Congress and during those testimonies one of the congressmen Daniel Goldman um not my favorite don't know him I doubt he watches your show but if he does Daniel you're not my favorite it's a nice way of saying it so anyway he um he immediately starts in like on the election stuff and at one point he's like well do you is there Fraud in the election I said yeah there's fraud in every election what there is and I said yeah you know people voting for dead people people voting too

many times if you drop off the wrong you know ballots on in a box that you're not supposed to and he says okay okay but do you have evidence of large scale material fraud and I said I have zero evidence of large scale material fraud now I'm I'm under oath I'm not going to lie I don't have evidence of large scale Material fraud if I did I would have re charged it already what I didn't quantify it with was panau County and I've heard through the grave fry that was their reasoning was oh he's not

America First and he doesn't believe in that the election was you know uh not right and whatever look I just to testified to the truth and none of us had evidence of large scale material fraud if we did we'd have charged it that's different than onesies and Twosies and you know like having large scale material fraud means you got have evidence that you can prove in a court Beyond A Reasonable Doubt I don't live in the world of feelings or what you think might have happened I live in the world of what you can prove

and what you can prove Beyond A Reasonable Doubt and unfortunately I didn't have that and so when I testified to that that I think was the Catalyst to to get in her in the race interesting Interesting have you had a lot of personal attacks ah you know one of the blessings about one of the frustrating things about this race is they're pretending like I don't exist or they're pretending that it's a two-person race that doesn't include me and um we see it very different we've known that I've always seen myself as the Titan like I'm

the twice elected official you know I've got all the experience in the border and all these Things and so we have always seen ourselves as the having an advantage um when you have 100% name recognition either people hate you or love you it's very hard to move the needle either way and so those are things that we knew going into this and so we felt pretty comfortable about it there's been personal attacks they attack your you know your family they you know I've been accused of running child pedophile Rings I've been my wife's been accused

of Being a drug addict you know they' go after my kids they go after everybody um but you know it's part of the business which is not shouldn't be part of the business bu but it is and I don't look for sympathy for anybody I knew what I was getting into but you know the worst attacks come from they don't come from the other side they come from my own party yeah Republicans are the worst about attacking themselves and all of the big things That I've been hit on have been things that Republicans have come

up with interesting so what a shame you know it's such a shame you know and it's look all I'm trying to do is try to better my country I know not I'm not this isn't what's most fin ially advantageous to me it's not that I want to go back and be in DC and and that Cesspool you know that Viper pit that's not what I want to do I'm doing it because I felt like why should I wait for somebody else to run In this building especially when I have the the ability there's an old

Danish saying says Whoever has the ability has the responsibility and if you read the Declaration of Independence in the Declaration of Independence in those I don't remember exact how it goes but basically it says that if you can do something about it you should and so that's why I'm doing it I'm not doing it because it's going to make me money or Or any of those things I'm doing it because I'm trying to be a true representative of the people like I have been his Sheriff I just realize I can't I can protect my herd

from the Wolves but at some point if somebody doesn't hunt those wolves they're going to multiply and replenish and eventually I won't be able to stop them and so what I realize is for me to hunt those wolves I got to go to DC and I got to deal with those problems at on a national level Because I can't fix them on a on a local level so we're in it yeah yeah are you worried at who might take your spot or Sheriff that was one of the biggest worries I had I wouldn't have done

this and had not found somebody it probably one of the most important things I'm concerned about really three main races in this cycle I'm concerned about who wins the sheriff and they go in this order by the way I want to make sure that my friend Ross te who we handpicked To run for Sheriff when his name came out it was immediate I knew immediately that was the right person and he has done an amazing job of fighting for it but I'm very concerned about him getting in I want to make sure the county attorney

that we have can gets in because he's been amazing to work with and he gets the balance of the rule of law where you where you should be kind and where you need to be tough and then the third thing is is um my election I'm Number three on the list uh because I think our lives are more affected by our local politicians than they are by um Federal politicians and so that's why I think getting a good sheriff and getting our County attorney who's great getting them reelected is what's really important for me man

it's interesting you say that cuz that's where I was going to go next was you know I hear I'm going to be honest I'm about this close to thinking DC is completely gone Maybe I'm already there yeah and I'm not admitting it I don't know but and you hear all the time that the local politics is what affects your everyday life and it seems to be it's starting for me it's starting to look like local politics is where you'll have the biggest impact and you just said it and so I'm really curious now to Hear

why are you going to give up your seat in your county where you're making a huge difference to go to DC with all the rest of the scumbags you know we asked ourselves that question a lot because when I got into being the sheriff I thought this country was heading to a place where there would be pockets of freedom and and what I tried to create and and what I tried to Foster was a pocket of freedom in panau County um the but we we Are in a good place and it's not necessarily that I

wanted I want to stay there I would have liked to have stayed there but I probably would have only stayed there one more term anyway cuz financially I still have a family that I need to care for I want to make sure I can retire at some point and so I was either at that point where you're the sheriff for 20 30 years or you're going to have to move on to the private sector and so I was at a point where I I felt Like our County was good that I could hand the Baton

off onto somebody that was like-minded who believed in the Constitution Second Amendment the rule of law and wasn't afraid to stand up to the government because I've always said my job as a sheriff I'm not the government I am your county sheriff my job is to protect you from the bad guys and from government overreach that's my job and so it was really hard I mean cuz I think that that is we are in a place Where DC might be gone you know I have to hope like how many people stood in front of the

tanks in tanan square I don't know one one dude went out and stood in front of those tanks in tenan square and changed the dynasty so I have to believe that one person can still make a difference whether I'm that person or not I know but I felt compelled to do it and if I am that person then I'll stand in front of the tanks if it that's what It takes to restore this country we may be got too far gone I don't know what I do know is in the end if you're a Christian

you know how this story ends in the Battle of Good and Evil which is exactly what we're in in the Battle of good and evil evil does not Prevail and so I'm going to do everything I can to to try to save the Constitution and and restore it and hopefully turn DC around I don't know it might be too far gone I might I'm right There with you but I have to try MH it's not my nature to to raise the White Flag especially when you're in a position to do something about it and so

that's why I'm doing it good for you good for you we need guys like you up there I want to segue into back into some of the stuff that's going on in the country country and the crime wave you know I thought this stuff was only happening certain places like California New York Illinois these type of places you know where you have these criminals they commit a crime and then within a couple of hours they're released back in back into society even even yesterday had a good friend um who was eating dinner with him at

my house and and he lives in St Louis and he told me that his daughter his 17-year-old daughter was it was a driveby shooting somebody drove up next to her stitched Four four shots right into the side of her car he told her to go go to the nearest hotel they called the police parents showed up police didn't do anything they they weren't they nothing they didn't even want to write a report they wound up writing a report just to give to the insurance so that they could get the car fixed through insurance but they

said we're not going to go after them we're not even we're not going to we're not Going to do anything and here's why because we'll go get them we'll put them in jail and then they'll be back on the street in just a matter of hours and you hear this you hear this all over the country now it predominantly resides what you got is you had guys like George Soros and those guys that actively were out trying to get um they know that sheriffs are a little bit harder guys that are sheriffs are typically rule

of law guys police of chiefs kind of the Same thing um so what they did is they started going after County attorneys attorney generals District Attorneys and getting those people elected I can go arrest people all day long which is what the cops are basically saying if the county attorney and the judge are releasing people because you've you've now appointed a ton of T ton of Judges that don't want to uphold the law and you've appointed or elected district attorneys or County Attorneys or attorney generals that are not going to hold up people accountable based

on Dei standards or because they had a tough upbringing or because they were raised in poverty or whatever it be or their skin color or whatever that's a problem and what you're doing is that goes back to democracy because you are mob rule you're more afraid of what the mobs will come in and do and the their their Havoc they will reap on you if you arrest the wrong person so you're what You just do is you just release them and it creates just chaos and it and what it does is to us it disincentivizes

us makes us not want to go out and do our job and then you take places like Illinois or St Louis or lot some of these places I don't know if St Louis says but you know they tried states are trying to remove qualified immunity from police well qualified immunity they've now painted as this oh cops can do whatever they want and nobody ever holds Them accountable that's not true like if qualified immunity protects you when you do your job if you break the law qualified immunity does not protect you as a police officer but

if you are doing your job if I go and I I'm doing CPR on an elderly lady and I crack her rib cage while I'm doing it um I am doing my job they can't come back and sue you and take your house and take everything you've tried to build over the last several years or Throughout your career in an instant that's what when you take away qualified immunity what you're doing is you're exposing police officers to um civil lawsuits when we do our job if I walk in I rough somebody up now all of

a sudden the my agency determines or the county had determines I was out of line or I didn't follow policy they can sue me and now I'm at the risk of losing what I've tried to build my house my car my money my bank account so what incentive do Cops have to respond to calls anymore if they're going to let you out and and frankly you're going to make me be uh liable civy if I do something wrong we got cops getting charged for doing things doing their job they're getting charged why to appease the

masses because you have police Chiefs and other people that are too they're not too cowardly to stand up and go no my guy was doing his Job and that's the problem and I see it more and more we saw during Co people taking a knee you know after what we saw in Minnesota the George Floyd in incident you saw these police Chiefs going out and taking knees and all that stuff let me tell you something when you show weakness you they will come after you they don't stop coming after you they think if well if

I appease the Masters they'll leave me alone no once they know you're weak they're going to Come after you hardcore they'll continue to push on you once you pass one law that is geared towards police reform then they're going to continue to go there's no appeasing these folks you got to go you got to stand up for what is right the regardless of how hard it is that's what honor is you stand up for what is right no matter what the consequences are no matter how hard it is you do what is right and people

say to me well Sheriff you say that because You're a sheriff and you're you're elected every four years and I and I always tell people that's true but police Chiefs can say what they want too they may lose their job but you can say what you want nobody's going to stop you from saying it well that's one thing I get tired of hearing is I'm just doing my job I do too that [ __ ] doesn't cut it anymore man not for me either you know I don't care I hear that [ __ ] with

all kinds of law enforcement agencies Federal agencies is I'm just doing my job I hate it you're just doing your job your job is to protect the people your job is to protect their constitutional rights and your job is to stand up for what is Right regardless of the consequences and right go get a new job that's the thing and I always tell these Chiefs and tell you guys it wasn't the police officers in this country that didn't hold the line it was the leadership in this country or the Supervisors in this country who cow

toow to the Mob and then it changed our profession in a way and you just frankly can't throw a blanket of Reform on the entire country it just doesn't work that way yeah I mean you asked me to do a hard job I'm out there doing it I'm running towards evil I'm running towards danger my people are and I need some I need I'm going to do it and I'm going to do it the right way and I prefer that you not come out you know like the old Jack Nicholson thing you know don't question

the manner in which I try to do it yeah let's talk about the the defunding the police movement oh jeez or your favorite topic right I actually like talking about it because I think it's Preposterous what do you think do you think there was a long-term goal with this it goes back to what I said before if you're going to change America you must start by weakening the rule of law You must turn the people against the police you must do you must create instability and Chaos in communities what it does is it creates a

need for government people look to government as the answer and I'm out here to tell you government the answer for nothing like don't ask them to be the answer for anything they're usually the authors of the chaos um they feed into it the media feeds this was by Design to change the country And to change it you have to undermine the rule of law let people out get rid of bonds get you know if if you taken into I mean there's people that are hardcore criminals that are attempting murder murder that are getting released without

bonds I don't get this I don't so with the def I've talked about this several times I feel like the defund the police movement was a way to restructure the entire Organization get out the old bring in the new they demoralized cops they demoralize Sheriff's departments they they they they cut the funding and now you have this new wave of people signing up they don't want the Lions anymore you know there's have you ever heard the asop fable about the lion and the farmer's daughter uhuh so this asop who writes all these fables and just

to tell your listeners aso's fables don't always end well but asop he Writes all these little stories well one of the stories is a lion and a farmer so this lion falls in love with this farmer's daughter and the lion comes around to the farm and the farmer sees the lion and he's like oh I'm really uncomfortable with this you got sharp teeth and you got sharp claws and I don't know about this I don't know if I want you dating my daughter you know and the Lion's like no no no my teeth and my

claws are for to protect Your daughter like that's what I use them for I would never hurt your daughter and so the farmer is like I don't know I'm still not comfortable with it but he sees that the lion and his daughter are just Fallen deeper and deeper in love and so finally the lion comes to the farmer he says Hey listen I would love your daughter's hand in marriage and I'm embellishing the asop Fable by the way but he comes and says I'd love your daughter's hand in Marriage and and the the farmer says

on one condition because I'm really uncomfortable with you that you remove your teeth and your claws and the lion goes home and he thinks about it but his love is so deep for his daughter that he's not seeing clearly and so he goes and he has his teeth and his claws removed and he comes back and he tells the farmer hey I removed my teeth and my claws and the car farmer picks up a club and clubs him To death the moral to the story is I use it all the time with the SE Amendment

never give up your teeth and your claws and this lion you need people out there with sharp teeth and sharp claws we are what defend your daughters from the evil from the people and the very same people you know it's that the other saying is you know the the the Sheep will spend their entire life worrying about the wolf only to be eaten by the shepherd you know and That's kind of where we're at we've got to really kind of see who is the wolves and who is who's really out to get us and so

you cannot give up your teeth in your claws law enforcement yes we have sharp teeth and we have sharp claws but we are use them to protect the people we're not going after the people what they want us to do is declaw and de teeth only to Club us to death after yeah yeah I mean it carried on through the Military with the vax mandates with with all kinds of stuff and now now you see with what's happening lowest recruitment numbers can't get anybody in now you know the Army the US Army wants to bring

the US Army wants to bring back retirees up to 70 years old jeez that's how bad that is how bad recruitment is right now and they don't accept it I watched the the Congressional hearings where they were beating that lady up about it you know Josh Holly was talking about it and uh they think they're okay I mean that's the thing is they convince themselves that what they're doing is okay that everything's still all right and they don't realize that they're weakening us you know the rest of the world looks at us and laughs at

us our friends don't respect us anymore and our enemies don't fear us why would you why would you it's a joke and so now everybody's running a muck and That's what that defund the police movement is it's designed to weaken everything and nobody wants to be held accountable anymore everybody wants somebody to blame it's frankly unmanly and it is disgusting like I just can't I can't stand it when people always have to make excuses of why things are happening without accepting any personal responsibility it's just it's just it's just it just I wish I had

more positive stuff to Say you know but I just see everything falling apart I mean I just read this article the other day about how the the the country's Elites are now like the big thing now is dual citizenship and getting out of here I get it that's how bad it's getting I look I sit at night and look at properties all over the country all over the world I have no desire to leave I've never abandoned this country but I Get it we're losing what this country was we're losing what what they built here

but it's not the first you want hope and I always we've talked about it earlier and I'm this is still the greatest country in the world there is no other place like America Freedom still exists here while it is fleeting Freedom still exists here this is the Alamo of freedom and it is incumbent upon us to to defend it this is not the first time we've hit a crisis Like this in this country we've hit many of these you know and the founding fathers can imagine what they did they broke away from England at the

time the most powerful country when they decided we've had enough they sent them the Declaration of Independence saying we're done and then a guy named Thomas Payne who wrote the book Common Sense but he was one of the founding fathers great great things um but Thomas Payne wrote a a series of Pamp because he knew that they needed to motivate that percentage of Americans who did not want to go against England to motivate him to do something about it and so he wrote something called the American crisis and in there he put these are the

times that triy men Souls the summer Soldier and the Sunshine Patriot will in this Cris in this crisis shrink from the service of his country but he who stands it now deserves the love and thanks of man and woman tyranny Like hell is not easily conquered yet we have this consolation with us that the harder the conflict the more glorious the Triumph we're in another crisis and this is where the the summer soldiers and the Sunshine Patriots uh are nowhere to be found and there is a movement of good that is happening in this world

as much bad as we are seeing there is opposition in all things and there is a lot of good happening and there's a lot of good People stepping up to take take the helm and so I I'm I'm optimistic about us our ability to save this country I also am you know understand that the Bible things are going probably get worse before they get better um but I am optimistic that good things are happening there's good men like Eli Crane and other people who are willing to to fill the Gap to step up and say

I will go I will save this country because it is redeemable it is Worth saving but it's going to take men with the fortitude to do it men that are courageous and that are willing to to to get in the battle we'll get to some positivity here in a minute but I want to before we close out the crime and all this other stuff that's going on you know I never used to pay attention to local elections cuz I didn't think they matter now I pay a lot of attention and I think that the sheriff's

office is Probably maybe the most important elected official in communities and so I pay a lot of attention I talk to some people at the sheriff that that I know that work at the Sheriff's Office to to ask like who do you guys want to work for and why and um and so where I'm going with this is what can sheriffs be doing to better their communities how do they stand up to this I mean what would your if you were standing in front Of all of the country sheriffs what would you tell them it's

the little things you know it's they're not even little co co was a perfect example don't be afraid to stand alone and stand up for what is right there's a saying that where a man stands for Freedom he stands for God where a man stands for Freedom he stands with God and where a man stands alone he for Freedom he still stands with God and you've got to know that you you may be Alone but you got to stand up for what is right so my Mantra is fear not do right and so I always

tell you know I started something called Protect America now which was sheriffs coming together across the country to stand up for the rule of law to stand up for the Constitution and to fight against Bad policies and government overreach and and and really it's designed not to we're not here to cause trouble but the job of our job is to stop bad you know We we're here to stop the bad guys and stop government overreach so my message to Sheriff's is don't be afraid to do what is right and you may not it may be

hard it's probably going to be very hard but it's worth it it's worth standing in there and fighting for the people it is one of the most important positions in in the government because the sheriff is the last line of defense for Freedom if they ever come to take guns it'll be your sheriffs that'll either Allow it or won't allow it if they ever come to take your freedom of speech it'll be sheriffs who will allow it or won't allow it it's probably going to be sheriffs that are going to have to stand up and

tell the FBI nope we're not doing that here get out of my county or the ATF or whatever it is if they're there for you know immoral purposes or for anything that would violate somebody's rights as a citizen um where a law really where a law has not been broken Then they need to be standing in the gap for the people and so I would just my message to Sheriff's is now we need you now more than ever stand up for what's right stand up for the people um because they are the last line of

defense thank you for saying that I will let's move into the positive portion other than you run him for Senate but um you know we've spoken about this at breakfast I think we spoke about it Downstairs a little bit and you know the one thing that I do see that's positive that's happening is you see this massive wave of Believers in in God and Christ happening right now I mean it is a wave of it and I'm part of it you know and and uh you know ever since I've come to I've I'm starting to

come to the realization that this is I personally Believe that this is bigger than any of us can even fathom and I'm with you and it seems to be and as I think this is a good thing is it seems to be the only thing that we we can all come together on cuz we can't come together on anything else we can't come together on Race we can't come together on gender we can't come together on politics we can't you know it's just division everywhere you see right and but this is the one thing the

One thing that people seem to be coming together on and that's pretty damn powerful it is there's a scripture I always share it's first or second Timothy 1:7 for God hath not given us a spirit of fear but of power and of love and of a sound mind and really the power in this country is we the people that's the power I often tell a story of why zebras have stripes you know why zebras have stripes why it's not for camouflage Because some people say it's camouflage for their surroundings well no a lion is tan

it could be two feet in front of you um a zebra you can see from a mile away I remember I'm so the scientist wants to understand it so he goes out he's watching this her of zebra and he's watching one of the zebra and he looks down to make a note and when he looks back up he can't find the zebra he was watching it mixed in with all the other zebras so he's like I got This I got an idea I'm gonna take a can of paint goes out the next day takes a

can of paint in his Jeep he's like I'm gonna paint an x on the butts of a few of the zebras that way I can watch him so he goes out takes his Jeep does it Paints the ax on the butts of a few of the zebras comes back and he's like thinks he's pretty slick gets up the next morning the Predators ate those zebras what he realized was that the Predators couldn't hunt the herd they Had to be able to identify one of the zebras to be able to hunt them what he also realized

is that the zebra stripes were not camouflage for their surrounding it was camouflage for each other interesting the power of the zebra stripes was We the People the herd as long as they stood together as a herd then nobody could attack them this the the Predators had trouble but the second they were able to start petitioning off they were able to get them and you still Need zebras like me that are going to paint a big red X on my butt and walk out in the field that's I'm running for office that's what you need

but mind you we're not being hunted by lions we're being hunted by jackals and hyenas and our ability to stand together is our power that's We the People and I agree with you more people are are realizing we're in more of a spiritual battle than anything and our ability to win this is to stand together regardless of whether We agree on all on all aspects and there this the government the media everything they do is designed to divide they divide you on Race religion politics social ideology covid whatever whatever they can divide you on they

do like we were talking earlier I always explain about a flashbang you know flashbang little grenade canister that has no shrapnel but we use it when we sering search warrants or break making entry into a building you take the pen You throw it in there boom it's a loud noise it's a bright light and percussion well it's designed to take away your hearing it's designed to take away your vision temporarily and it's designed to discombobulate you so that we can come in and take control of you we have all been flashbanged and if we don't

get our wits about us real quick we're going to be in big trouble Y and it's we the people as the power and that starts because people Are realizing we're coming together under a different concept of of hey this is a battle of Good and Evil we may not agree on everything but I'm on the side of good and I want to come together to do what I can to fix it thank you for sharing that well we're going to wrap it up here do you have any last words I do I do um it's

a tough world I mean things are not easy you know we go through personal struggles we're going through struggles within our Own country we go through challenges as we try to better ourselves going back to the book as a man thanketh by James Allen my favorite part of that book is at the very end he has a quote that says keep your hand firmly upon the Helm of thought in the bark of your soul reclines the commanding Master he does but sleep wake him self-control is strength right thought is Mastery calmness is power say under

your heart peace be Still we all have a commanding Master inside of us need to wake him or her up and get him up to the Helm of the ship to navigate these difficult Waters the sea the stormy seas will subside at some point but it's our job to make sure that we keep the ship on course and each and every one of us have a responsibility to do that and you got to waake the commanding Master inside of you up and and and the other thing too is when I talk to kids I always

tell them three Things I tell them be authentic the world is hungry for authentic people every single one of us have different DNA different different um um fingerprints our irises are different it's probably your most different thing about you there is nobody else in the world like you if that doesn't tell you of the godliness or the majesticness of who you are and what your purpose here is on this Earth I don't know what to tell you and the Fact that you woke up this morning whoever is listening means that your purpose on this Earth

is not done yet so embrace your authenticity your job is to share it with the world the second thing is is don't be afraid to do the uncomfortable work one of the books I love is called you squared by price pritchet and in there he talks about taking Quantum leaps in your life not the 10% not the 20% taking huge leaps but to do do it you got to take risk and You got to get into the uncomfortable area and you got to do things that you don't know what the outcome is going to be

that's what faith is for you know you just got to do it sometimes but all the good stuff in life comes from uncomfortable and hard work that's where the gold is that's where the diamonds are so you got to be willing to do the uncomfortable work and the third thing my last piece of advice is surrender the Outcome everybody who is angry and frustrated and and sad or depressed in this world is because you are trying to control an outcome that you have no control over we are becoming a victim of of what has happened

as opposed to accepting the fact that you couldn't change any of that like when I lost my kids I carry a badge a gun I do DUI stops all the time there was nothing I could do to stop them from dying that night so I can either be angry or Frustrated or sad or I can decide to take control of the situation and surrender the outcome and we can't control what's happening in DC and we can't control whatever all what's happening in the world don't worry about that surrender that outcome to something else but what

you can control is your attitude and your work output and if you can maintain a good attitude and keep the control of the Helm of your own ship and control The area the aspects of your life like your home life your work output your whatever baileywick you have you will find that you will be much happier and that you will not get into what happens as much as you are about having the right attitude and having working hard um that's really what's going to Define your life so be authentic don't be afraid to do the

uncomfortable work and uh surrender the outcome great word brother so thank you thank you well Mark Sheriff I just want to it was uh it was an honor to have you here I've been really looking forward to this interview and uh I'm going to link all your books on the description and your campaign I just wish you the best of luck and uh hope to see you up there I appreciate it brother thank you really do thank you thank you God bless you too thanks for all you do [Music] [Applause] No matter where you're watching

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