the jurgen experience i had this other experience i just wanted to share about um this was a dmt experience where i realized that you know we all have the capacity for evil if we aren't careful in a sense so the dmt kind of dissolved my ego very quickly it was the first time i ever did dmt it was sitting in a circle with a group of people at eslin this was terence mckenna and um you did dmt with terence mckenna yeah yeah and ralph metzner from firewood and we would um there was about eight of
us and we would each of us it takes about 15 minutes 10 15 minutes so we one person would do it would then sort of close their eyes lie down and come back after 15 minutes or so and then tell the story about what happened and then we passed the pipe to the next person and this was like a whole evening of dmt stories so my dmt experience was this i saw this horizontal line then i saw a vertical line then i saw color it turned red then it turned into cubes like squares and then
it turned into like an mcesher painting that was just and then i was gone and it was just it didn't make sense then i was gone and then i just had this insight that in the deepest recesses of who i think i am in this inner voice that's kind of always talking to you this that i was using english and i didn't invent english it's all the product of all these people that came before me so even in my most inner private self i'm intermixed with everybody else and everything that came before me and i
had this beautiful experience of going back to the big bang and all of this kind of sweep of evolutionary history and i'm part of everything and everything's part of me and it was all this beautiful stuff and then i realized this sort of logical part of my mind was like well if everything's part of you and you're part of everything then hitler is part of you too it's inner and and that was very shattering for me because that was in the dmt experience it was in the dmt did you see hitler in the experience i
did and like a million golden hitler's floating around you well that that that we all have that capacity that that if we want to claim that we're connected with everything that it's it's not just the evil out there that it's potentially in in me and it was very shattering and the next day um we did ketamine and so this is where i did more see hitler so this is actually an experience that has helped me with my political strategy in a way of what maps is doing it's both drug development and drug policy reform so
under this experience the next it was very depressing and shattering to realize that i couldn't just say all the evils out there that i have this capacity the hitler's inside me so the next day under ketamine i was hovering above and behind hitler as he's giving one of these speeches like the nuremberg rally kind of things and the ketamine gave me a bit of remove so i didn't freak out i was i was there but i was not there so i didn't feel vulnerable in that way and i saw him doing this speech and i'm
thinking how do i get into his head how do i help him not want to murder and kill and you know what can we do to you know undo this evil and then i saw this um the heil hitler salute near the end of his speech and he would go you know put up his hand like that and then everybody in the crowd would do it back to him and i felt like it was the one pushing out this energy and then the many pushing it back to him and giving him and they would go
back and forth and the intensity was kind of increasing and at that point i was just realizing there's no way to get into his head that he's it has to be voluntary and that he was getting so much from it that he wouldn't uh and i felt this panic rising above me and i felt that if i were to panic i would never be able to be effective in the world that i would just turn away from that and then with ketamine you can still breathe and so i realized that if i just breathe that
might help me deal with this fear and i started deep breathing and then came this idea that ironically rather than trying to change the mind of the one we need to change the mind of the many and that they don't get as much out of it as hitler did that they're giving away their power to him and so that's where we need mass mental health so you hear a lot of people i had a chance to talk to steve jobs for an hour a long time ago and um but he was like stuck in the
60s in a way he was like god if we could just give all these politicians lsd and i think yeah that might be good but they might resist it but really we have to base this new compassion and spirituality in the masses in millions tens of millions of people this this hitler thing can i ask you like when i've never done ketamine so when you're having this experience what is what is it like do you realize that you are in a psychedelic experience that you're in some sort of a hallucination or does it actually feel
like you are there like what is it it felt like i was there but i had this sense that i was somehow either also not there and removed but you knew that you were tripping well at the time do you think i i lost that for a while and as the panic kind of built up i had this thought i can breathe so i did have that sense that i was on a drug and that if i were just to modulate my breathing and that would help relax me so i had that thought but i
felt like i was really there and it was way you know i've seen movies of world war ii and i've seen movies of hitler giving speeches but i was never as emotionally connected to it and in the moment as i was during this ketamine experience so it was kind of a dual situation where i was there but a part of me felt removed and safe and this thought like okay just breathe um but but i never had that insight before about the height hitler salute and how this energy exchange between and how the rallies were
very dramatic and that's where he cemented his power through these rallies well you know hitler was on all kinds of drugs yes yeah there was god i keep forgetting who told us that story jamie but there's a story about hitler convincing mussolini do you remember i've tried i've tried to look it up and find it i can't i can't find it it might not have even had it happened on a podcast that's the problem because i have so many conversations and my memory is just so full it's just there's no room i got like folders
stuffed all over the place i don't know where anything is but the story was that hitler was in the middle of campaigning and he was completely exhausted and he was supposed to meet mussolini and he was going to not meet mussolini because he was so exhausted but then they shot him up with testosterone and liquid cocaine and when they did that he was just bouncing off the walls and he cornered mussolini and talked to him for five hours and convinced him not to leave the effort not to leave the war effort and he sort of
one of the the things that this uh story was basically pointing to was that much of hitler's mania and much of this uh rabid attack that he had put on the rest of the western world was fueled by amphetamines yes and cocaine and testosterone and that they just kept injecting him with all this [ __ ] that gave him this insane confidence and insane maniacal aggression and it completely makes sense if you think about what he did and then we also know that the kamikazes were on amphetamines and many of the nazi soldiers were on
amphetamines well the blitzkrieg how they would do that this kind of they were days and days on amphetamines and then that promotes aggression as well and just psychotic delusions yeah and he had this delusion of creating this master race which is and that's the most cocaine idea of all time right like this idea like where i'm going to engineer the greatest human race ever and you know and and and to be able to look at that idea from this cocaine-fueled or amphetamine-fueled perspective to the point where you're willing to commit genocide in order to accomplish
your goal yeah drugs were a big factor in the third reich yeah very much so um also we know that john kennedy was given amphetamines that's miss doctor feel good right yeah dr feelgood was a legitimate doctor that would run around and give people and what'd you find there buddy the story oh who where's this from uh historyhit.com did hitler's drug problem change the course of history he got a shot of this stuff called yucca doll okay hitler took ukidol for the first time before the dreaded meeting his mood changed immediately everyone was very happy
that the fewer was back in the game his enthusiasm was such that on the way to the airport to fly to his meeting with mussolini he demanded a second shot the first shot had been administered subcutaneously but the second was intravenous it was even better during the meeting with mussolini hitler was so energized that he pretty much just shouted for three hours there's several reports from that meeting including an american intelligence report to the embarrassment of everyone in attendance hitler didn't stop talking throughout the entire duration of the meeting mussolini couldn't get a word in
edgeways meaning he wasn't able to voice his concerns about the war effort and perhaps raise the prospect of italy leaving so italy stayed at the end of the day hitler told morel the success of today is totally yours wow so morale must have been the doctor yes you could do find out what that [ __ ] is okay you could do is similar to heroin in fact it's stronger than heroin it also has an effect that heroin doesn't have it makes you euphoric but i think they shot them up with some other stuff too the
word was that it was i'd read harold red cocaine and oxycodone so i just hit google and that's what comes up oh interesting but i had heard and cocaine it says there are five milligrams of cocaine too where is there that under a d i x wikipedia there yeah oh is that what's in there meth and coke mixed together oh so that's what euca dill is okay that makes sense so you could do is five milligrams of cocaine and three milligrams of methamphetamine wow so d d i x it's a a methamphetamine-based experimental performance enhancer
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