welcome everyone to another session of a series of in-depth talks with Tom cample author of my big toe Our intention for this series is to dive a bit more deeply into some of the aspects of MBT to explore some new territory and to hopefully provide new interesting and valuable insights to viewers who are already well familiar with MBT also we've decided to use these STS as an opportunity to test the new MBT artificial intelligence tool called AI guy after Tom and I finish recording this talk I will ask all the same questions again to AI
guy and I will post a link to its answers in the description box below this video so that everybody can access them this will allow everybody to assess AI guys's performance by comparing its answers to Tom's answers that should be interesting all right Tom are you ready to get started ready okay so my first set of topics will be about the connection between Consciousness and the Avatar I've heard you say that chakras are just a metaphor and I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean by that so I formulated the following question which will
hopefully clarify things according to MBT the physical body is part of the PMR rule set for example example if my brain doesn't receive enough blood I will faint or if I put my hand in a fire I will feel intense pain that makes sense are chakras also part of the PMR rule set or not if there are not part of the PMR rule set are they part of some other rule set okay the answer to that is no and no two very short answers to two questions the chakras are tools they're tools that people have
invented to help them understand and to help them teach others about the larger reality and particularly about the non-physical aspects of the larger reality as an example when we heal healers are called light workers because what they do is they take their white light or yellow or whatever color they choose and they use that to wash away burn away whatever metaphor you like to to use the negative the black stuff the the stuff that's the disease okay that they're trying to heal so there is no light streaming from their head to the diseased material the
disease material is not black all of these are metaphors we use the metaphor of white or light light light like uh pastels you know as being positive and energetic and we say that everything that's not healthy is dark and the the more unhealthy it is the darker it is none of these things actually exist they're just metaphors that we use to help us Focus Our intention in proper places and I call these tools tools are things we make up to help us understand things so that we can comprehend them in simpler terms maybe even physical
terms then it's easier for us to to grasp them and think about them if we say oh I'm generating this white light or the angel Gabriel is at my direction is generating this white light and it's going to burn away all the you know unhealthy stuff well that's just a tool to help you focus your intent in the healing the only active ingredient is intent but we use tools to help us Focus that intent now the chakras are just like that if you're trying to teach someone about spirituality and you realize there are multiple multiple
Parts multiple uh paragraphs let's say spirituality is a book then there's going to be multiple chapters in that book there's going to be subsets of things that you can talk about well the ancient Hindus found seven subsets that were important to the individual and they rather than just talk about seven abstract things they related these things to the body because humans then can grasp that more easily so you have seven chakras starting from the root up to the up to the crown and each one of these chakras then covers some part of the thing that
your Consciousness should be working on or thinking about the different aspects of you and your behavior and your choices you know there's the there's the root the basic things you know your instincts the stuff that's you know the stuff that's down there maybe in the subconscious or maybe just above the subconscious but we have those kinds of things and then we have emotional things and we have more spiritual things and we have different you know they're all different so they're all different chapters in the same book and by making them uh relate to the body
you're providing something concrete for the student to work with otherwise everything would be abstract abstract Concepts abstract models abstract everything and only a very very few students would ever be able to grasp the material but if you tell them oh there's this chakra at the root and there's this chakra behind the belly button there's this chakra at the solar plexus and this chakra at the heart and at the throat and between the eyes and the forehead and up above and you give them all these things then they feel that's me I have all these things
all these things are a part of me that's obvious it's concrete now it's not abstract you know otherwise if they're all abstractions well how does that apply to me you what's any of this have to do with me so we we Body Center it to give people something concrete to deal with and then we give them lessons about each chakra and things they're trying to do and what their goal is and here's where you start and here's where you'd like to to end up you'd like to open those chak you'd like to make the colors
go from dull to Bright you'd like to you know and you give people these ideas of what to do with those chakras oh you run the energy up through this one and then to that one and around and out the top of the head and that's called Kundalini and you can use them for all sorts of things but all they are are tools that humans have invented to make it easier to explain and easier to teach things that are completely and wholly abstract everything Consciousness is an abstraction okay Consciousness is the subjective world everything in
the subjective world is just a matter of thought you have abstract thoughts which are much harder for most people to Grapple with than you have concrete thoughts like oh that's a microphone and Fric that's very concrete cuz we see it it's part of our you know we physically can identify with it we know what it is we've seen mics like that before so it makes it more part of our experience so that's what they are so the chakras don't exist they're not part of the rule set they are not fundamentally real Consciousness is the only
thing that is fundamentally real everything else is virtual or just thought you know so we live in a world of physical stuff and our language has grown up to be about this physical stuff and about our feelings about this physical stuff so our language requires us to speak in terms of physical pieces peace parts and we take complex problems and bake them into peace parts then we take those peace parts and we identify them with things physical whether that's beads on a on a you know a rosary uh chain or whether it's whatever whether it's
the designs in a Mandela or other things we take the abstract and try to make it more physical try to make it more concrete so that people can understand it they can get hold of it they they got something to work on my root chakra needs development because I have all these urges and I'm out of control my urges take [Music] over so I need to get that under control now that allows that person to have focus and they know what that root chakra controls and it's on many levels you know that root chakra is
not just one thing it's sub parts okay that's one of seven but in that seven they can break that into another seven or 10 or different subcategories that fit inside that one and it makes all those things easier to talk about that's why you end up with these reality schemes where there's 57 levels and you or 200 levels or something that's people trying to create models that let us break everything down into small piece parts so we can work on one little simple piece part at a time and not be overwhelmed with a big abstract
thing that has lots of levels of meaning and significance so that's what the chakras are created by humans for humans so that they can use language to speak to each other and that language is very much physical world centered so you have to turn the chakras into things things that you can talk about then each chakra have subsets that you can talk about and each one of those subsets will have its own own name and its own thing and its own picture and its own little thing for you to more easily grasp it and then
you can use your mind to spread the chakra out or lighten its color or make it vibrate or whatever your teacher have whatever metaphors they'd like to use and that's a lot easier than using your mind somebody just says use your mind to heal well people don't know what to do that's too abstract use your mind to turn that black stuff white well how do I do that oh take a beam of white light and do it with that oh okay now I know how to do it you see before Oh use your mind to
heal what do you do we need more concrete directions before we can before we can learn so that's what the chakras are now one of the reasons I say that my my model is all experiential so I say that because look at the Zen Buddhists they don't have chakras does that mean their their ideas are inferior because they haven't discovered chakras yet no it's their models they have different models they have different ways of breaking things apart so it's not that because the Zen Buddhist don't talk about chakras that ah you know they're inferior because
they don't have chakras and we're Superior because we know about them and they haven't figured it out yet no they just use different metaphors to get to the same thing and you go to the indigenous people you know the native Australians the Native Americans you know the native Europeans for that matter if you can find any Europe's so old and populated so long there's you really don't have many indigenous people to talk about but they didn't have chakras you know chakras are basically a hind product and because they're a really good teaching tool they are
very cleverly put together they're smart they're useful for a lot of people so they've spread now almost everybody on the planet has heard about chras anybody interested in spirituality has heard about chakras and it's because they're a handy way to make metaphors to help people learn and grow and understand so that's what that's what chakras are and the the Hindu uh metaphors of chakras have been uh spread around because they work well they're a nice condensed set that works well so good for the Hindus but it doesn't mean all those other people just haven't figured
it out yet because they don't see chakras you know you can see chakras because you know people say well I can see the chakras there they are and I can examine them and I can tell things about people yes you can well that's because the larger Consciousness system will give you information in whatever language you speak and if you speak chakra it will give you information in Chakra in other words it'll show you a person and they'll have Bright Lights here and open there and close some other place and you'll understand about them but you
could get that same information if you said I'd like to see their em their emotional body and then you could take the pictures that um told you what they meant interpreted them they called them auras everybody had an aura and you could look at the auras they're emotional Aura they're spiritual Aura they you know their their root chakra Aura if you want you know you could look at all these different things and see what the person was like or you could just ask the question and get it in terms of English or French or whatever
language you wanted or other kinds of pictures or other sorts of metaphors you know the system will talk to you in whatever language you speak so if in your mindset you have a vocabulary that's chakra based then it'll speak to you in terms of chakra language so yes you can see ARS I've seen I and you can see chakras but they both give you much of the same information it's just two different metaphor sets so I I understand this explanation however one of the reasons why I'm asking this question is because even though I personally
never took the ideas of chakras very seriously in fact I've always been more on the skeptical and dismissive side about such things at one point I started having direct experiences of certain bodily phenomena as a result of meditation and other spiritual practices and these bodily phenomena seemed based on later research to be connected to certain chakra functions for example I've had the experience of feeling my heart chakra bounding extremely intensely and rapidly even though when I checked my normal physical heart was actually just beating very normally and calmly and I've experienced intense releases of energy
often called Kundalini which then ran into a a blockage in my throat which supposedly has to do with the throat chock ra mhm also I've experienced intense pressure between my eyebrows which supposedly has to do with the third eye chakra so my point is even though I personally never really accepted the chakras as my personal tool set or set of metaphors in fact I hardly knew anything about them I somehow got all of these experiences anyway which to me suggests that there might be something a bit more fundamental about the chakras than just being a
metaphor that somebody made up in their mind so how do you how would you reconcile that with with the explanation you just gave well in two ways one the larger conscious system is speaking chakra to you okay it chooses to give you those or to you know you feel those like you say your heart's beating but it's not really beating like that well it can give you those Sensations because the concept of chakras as I say is pretty much worldwide it's been a Nifty set of metaphors that a lot of people can use so you
had a very high probability of making that Association and so on so because that's almost Universal now then it's almost a universal language that the system can use so that's one way of looking at it two it could be just part of the Avatar's rule set physiology that says that it's easy within the physiological constraints or the rule set constraints of the Avatar to cause a pain between the eyebrows to make the heart feel like it's beating to give these various bodily Sensations and that the people making up chakras took advantage of that because that
was something that uh that the mind could easily control so it could be that as the chakras were invented or put together those bodily functions like you're talking about the heartbeating the pain here the other things that that Association was made because that's something that can happen it's a it's part of our physiology you didn't get the end of your nose itching because that's maybe harder to create or maybe that's not an obvious thing or you didn't get your toenails doing anything or your feet it may just be that those bodily things happen and a
lot the people who are meditating when you let go of the physical your body kind of runs automatically and it gets a little silly because it no longer has input it's used to having input you're moving you're doing things so you tell the the feet take the next step take the next step take the next step and when you go into a meditation you're not asking the body to do anything you're forgetting the body altogether so the body's sitting there and it doesn't know what to do because it doesn't have any input nobody's telling it
to do anything which I think is a cause of those vibrations you get vibrations well vibrations are pretty Universal too I think the vibrations are often caused by all of the your central nervous system doesn't have any input so it starts searching for Signal maybe the Signal's just small and I'm missing it so it it kind of turns up the gain and as it turns up the gain to find the signal you get noise and that noise often comes in a set of you know vibrations so I believe that's what I mean when I say
that it's your body just you know the rules set in your body some things are easier to produce than others and it could be the thing between the the thing between the eyebrows or heart or or the vibrations are just common things that the physiology supports and it could be that the chakras were attached to those physical feelings like vibrations you know you could attach some specific meaning to the vibrations but anyway so those are just a couple of ways either the systems just speaking chakra to you because chakra is now almost a universal language
or these things kind of happen in or tend to happen or tend to be easy to happen or to make those associations you know we have a big association with with the heart right I mean a heart isn't just a a muscle that pumps blood you know you don't have your heart in it that doesn't mean your muscle isn't in it and we have a lot of other meanings about the word heart so because the heart means a lot of things to us then we can make metaphors with it so we're making all kinds of
metaphors with the heart and if we feel this heartbeating and you have a a blood pressure cuff on and it's not really showing your pulses up any well maybe there's some metaphorical message attached to that because it's the heart that's the center that's the feeling I mean it's not really a feeling Center but we have metaphors about it being a feeling Center so that could be a a metaphor that the system uses oh my heart's dumping that has something to do with my feeling space Oh between my eyes is something that has something to do
with my intellectual space Oh you know it could be using those kinds of metaphors that we already have established in our heads so there's three different associations three different ways that those associations could could occur now you feel them and then you read something about chakras and ah it fits well that's good now work with that that's a good thing but you may not just limit it to that you also may just think about well heart it's not necessarily just chakra but it's a it's a feeling space in my culture the heart is all about
feeling it's about love it's about caring it's about that sort of thing so is that a problem is that a sticking thing for me am I having trouble with those sorts of things the feeling part of me is my intellect dominating you know if you think about wellow I didn't think about that what do you do you know right here yeah it's your forehead kind of between your eyes that's the thinking place so that's another meta that's another body centered metaphor that we have so if the intellect is a problem then you might get a
pain there because the pain is negative and it says oh your intellect that can be negative you don't have to turn interpret it just in terms of chakra functions you can look at it in terms of your your cultural functions ascribed to those parts of your body what it comes down to is that the system is using this as a language in order to to convey something to me um but it doesn't necessarily reflect a more fundamental sort of rule set or mechanism about how these things work is what you're saying yes it's not fundamental
there is no fundamental Energy Center is there they are tools but the system will talk to us in terms of those tools just like the system will talk to us in terms of Shining Light to heal the system can give you a a message that says use a light green light instead of the white light that'll work better and you just intuitively get that so you start using a light green light so the system can work with you with your tools it doesn't make those tools fundamental it makes tools language that the system can speak
well then there's it sort of gives rise to the question did it start with the system like did the system come up with this as a language which was then discovered by the Hindus or did the Hindus start with this as a metaphor and did the system then later decide to take that as oh I can use that as a language since that is how they see things since that is how they view things chicken and egg chicken and egg you know often chicken and egg problems tend to be the answer to the chicken and
egg problem is often they both evolve together you that's the solution to the Chicken and the Egg problem which came first the solution is they both evolve together it's part of the evolution you know it's not that you had to have an egg to have a chicken or you had to have a chicken to have an egg but chickens and and eggs evolve together because they solved a problem of reproduction we know Critters can reproduce and a variety of ways and all of those ways evolved because they work and some are more practical or you
know for one Critter than for another so chickens lay eggs but the chicken didn't you know the chicken did you know where was the first chicken that lay the first egg and where was the first egg that created the first chicken no that's saying that every thing has to be just created as it is but all that stuff evolved before there were chickens and eggs there was just other things that maybe didn't reproduce but needed to you know it was just an evolutionary thing going on and eventually you ended up evolving a creature called a
chicken and the chicken laid eggs but it's not the evolution produced the chicken and then it then the chicken produced the egg it's a Evolution produced a creature that laid eggs right so it's you know it's not that you have to have one before the other that's a false idea they evolve together and that's the solution to most of those kinds of problems which came first they probably evolv together the human was looking for ways to to form their experience into speech into words which means it was going to be physical centered and the larger
conscious syst system was looking for a way to help communicate to this boneheaded human so together they kind of came up with these ideas and worked it out but it doesn't make it fundamental Consciousness is fundamental that's the fundamental thing there are no chakras if if chakras were fundamental things then every spiritual tradition all over the planet would have eventually run into chakras because they're just fundamental and they're just there so everybody would have seen them not just the Hindus everybody would have this thing about chakras every spiritual group you spiritual group who have really
you know I'm talking about groups who have genuinely dived deeply into spirituality and we have them in almost all the major religions are based on spiritual individuals who really did dive deep into spirit spirituality you know that's the case you know you have all the saints who were sainted because they were they dive deeply into spirituality that's kind of the idea of it maybe some because they made a big contribution I don't know but for the most part you know it's based on people who dive deeply into spirituality and if the if the chakras were
fundamental then everybody who dive deep into spirituality would say oh look I ran into these chakras and there they are but they're not fundamental they're Concepts they ideas ways of communicating and they evolved with the larger Consciousness system and the avatars or the ioc's if you like or the Free Will awareness units you know interacting together they evolve this concept that allows the abstract to be placed in terms of very concrete Concepts the body right I agree that the the chakras are definitely a Hindu thing the energy however that I also experienced which is often
called Kundalini energy which I think that's according to the Hindus that's Kundalini energy you you do see um a parallel of that in other cultures for example you have Chi energy in other cultures and then I think even in Christianity I've heard that maybe that's what's referred to as like the Holy Spirit um I'm not too sure about any of this but it it that seems to be a bit more of a universal thing that everybody discovers so would you consider that to fall under a different category is that more maybe less metaphor and more
representative of something that's actually fundamental yeah that's a representative of Consciousness Consciousness can you know a Consciousness has power a conscious can do thing a Consciousness can modify future probability and all sorts of people who dive deeply into spirituality will find that we'll find that there's power involved here things that can change the physical world whether you're using your Chi life a fire on a sidewalk or whether you're using your Chi to push a pencil through a wooden table to popular ideas that were filmed by a German crew so a lot of people have seen
that or whether you're using your your uh you know spiritual energy to heal or to do different things yes they find out that Consciousness can affect the outside world and we call that energy we call that power but it's just Consciousness it's it's the nature of Consciousness so yes that is fundamental conscious is fundamental and that's kind of the nature of Consciousness you can affect the world you can modify future probability with your intent yeah that's interesting so maybe this this experience that that I had and many many people have had it's a way that
the system shows us look here is this Force this energy that is not part of your physical world but that exists and it is powerful it has it has the power to change things to affect things to change your body MH and it would like you to to understand some get something from that have that have some meaning so it talks to you in terms of your own cultural metaphors like up here's the intellect and down here's the feeling part the heart because that's part of our it's part of our metaphors then it might make
the heart and this you that'd be perfect centers for it to try to communicate with right so yes that's I think a better thing it's just Consciousness then it's fundamental Consciousness is that way so Consciousness is fundamental the way the conscious system runs its virtual reality that's one of the rules conscious can modify future probability and that's a great rule because that's feedback that's how we end up with a with a society that mirrors the quality of Consciousness we are co-creators of this with our intentions our wills and our intentions tend to be negative and
self-centered it's all about me and it's grabby and it's don't mind walking over other people to get what I want if that's if that's the way my intentions run then I have to live in a world like that well if that's the common you know level of attention is one that's very self- serving then we all have to live with that and that's the best way to teach you know that's consequences from actions you know we have actions we make choices we have to deal with the consequences of those actions and choices so it's a
it's it's the optimal Learning System where your choices lead to consequences and you get to live them so yes the larger cons system maybe was just talking to you in terms of your own cultural metaphors but that probably you know that that seems to be pretty common This Heart metaphor being something to do with feeling you know love and caring his his heart I don't know why they picked that out you know they could have picked your liver or something but you know they picked out a heart muscle you know because it pumps blood through
your systems but it's just a metaphor it's not that that heart muscle sitting there has some kind of magical things or that that the chakras are should be there with their magical properties it's just the metaphor about the heart but how else you know language is really about metaphor words are metaphors a word is a metaphor for something it's a symbol metaphors and symbols are similar metaphors are just complex symbols and symbols tend to be more simple things but anyway uh that's language yes metaphors yeah okay Tom thank you I think you addressed that really
well now we'll see if the AI guy can do that in three short paragraphs you have more power than you think hi this is Donna from MBT events I have had had the privilege to work with Tom Campbell for nearly 20 years now and I can tell you from the feedback received through all those years that he has improved and changed thousands of lives with his my big toe Theory as a physicist and Explorer of the larger reality Thomas developed a program where you can learn to access and develop your natural ability as Consciousness his
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