The View Full Episode: Tuesday, March 4, 2025

A DRESS TO KILL THE PRESIDENT'S HOURS AWAY FROM A JOINT ADDRESS TO CONGRESS TO MAKE HIS CASE FOR MASSIVE FEDERAL CUTS, ELIMINATING DIE PROGRAMS, HALTING AID TO UKRAINE, AND IMPOSING TARIFFS THAT SENT THE STOCK MARKET INTO A NOSEDIVE. WILL DEMOCRATS SKIP THE SPEECH OR DISRUPT WITH SOME POLITICAL THEATER? >> STAY TUNED.

IT'S GOING TO BE MUST SEE TV. >> THEN ESPN. STEPHEN A SMITH IS WEIGHING IN ON POLLS THAT HAVE HIM AS AN EARLY DEMOCRATIC FRONTRUNNER IN 2028, AND HIS SIT DOWN WITH FORMER NEW YORK GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO AS HE JUMPS BACK INTO POLITICS YEARS AFTER LEAVING OFFICE OVER SEXUAL MISCONDUCT ALLEGATIONS.

PLUS, IN HER FIRST TV INTERVIEW SINCE LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE, PRESIDENT BIDEN'S PRESS SECRETARY, KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, IS LIVE WITH HER VIEW OF TRUMP'S AMERICA AND WHY SHE SAYS DEMOCRATS BETRAYED BIDEN. >> I'VE NEVER SEEN A PARTY DO THAT IN THE WAY THAT THEY DID A FIRING SQUAD AROUND A PERSON WHO I BELIEVE WAS A TRUE PATRIOT. >> HERE COME HOT TOPICS WITH WHOOPI.

>> VERSION OF THE SHOW. >> SARA HAINES. JOY BEHAR.

>> BEAUTIFUL. I LOVE ANNA. >> NAVARRO.

>> I LOVE THIS VERSION OF. >> SUNNY HOSTIN. I AND ALYSSA FARAH GRIFFIN.

NOW LET'S GET THINGS STARTED. >> VERSION OF ME. STRONG AND POWERFUL.

I'LL SEE WHAT I FEEL. I'M BRAVE AND BEAUTIFUL. I LOVE, I LOVE, I LOVE THIS VERSION WITH ME.

I LOVE THE VIEW. I SEE THIS VERSION OF ME. SHOWING UP.

I'LL SEE WHAT I THINK. >> HELLO, HELLO HELLO HELLO, HELLO, HELLO, HELLO. WELCOME TO THE VIEW, Y'ALL.

WELCOME TO THE VIEW. WELCOME TO THE VIEW. WELCOME TO THE VIEW.

SO DEMOCRATIC OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN FURIOUS ABOUT THE WHIRLWIND OF EXECUTIVE ORDERS, GOVERNMENT LAYOFFS, SLASHING FEDERAL PROGRAMS, CUTTING OFF AID TO UKRAINE AND IMPOSING TARIFFS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF SPECULATION ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT WHEN YOU KNOW WHO STARTS HIS PRIME TIME JOINT ADDRESS TO CONGRESS, WHICH HE IS CALLING THE RENEWAL OF THE AMERICAN DREAM. SO PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL, HOW SHOULD THE DEMOCRATS HANDLE I'M NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, PLEASE, WHAT SHOULD WHAT SHOULD THEY DO?

SHOULD THEY SIT AND LISTEN? SHOULD THEY GET BUTT NAKED AND DANCE AROUND? WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN?

OR SHOULD THEY ALL WAIT TILL THE END? WHEN? FRESHMAN SENATOR ELISE SLOTNICK GIVES THE DEMOCRATIC RESPONSE?

ANYBODY? >> I THINK THEY SHOULD WALK OUT EN MASSE. NAKED OR CLOTHED.

>> NAKED? NAKED WOULD BE GOOD. >> NAKED IS NAKED.

COULD BE INTERESTING. >> I MEAN, THEY SHOULD WALK OUT, YOU KNOW? OR.

OR IS THERE GOING TO BE A LAUGH TRACK, BY THE WAY? I THINK THEY SHOULD WALK OUT. I THINK THAT A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

YEAH. I WOULD REFER YOU BACK TO NANCY PELOSI TEARING UP THE STATE OF THE UNION. WE STILL REMEMBER THAT THAT WAS A MOMENT OF PROTEST.

AND JUST SITTING THERE AND BEING DOCILE IS NOT WORKING. HE'S OVER THE EDGE. HE'S, AS YOU PUT IT OUT THERE IN THE INTRO.

HE IS. I THINK WE'VE PASSED THE POINT OF NO RETURN WITH HIM, AND WE NEED TO REALLY STAND UP TO HIM BIG TIME, AND THEY ARE IN THE POSITION OF DOING THAT AND THEY SHOULD DO IT. WELL, WE CERTAINLY CAN'T EXPECT THE REPUBLICANS TO DO ANYTHING.

I AGREE WITH I AGREE WITH YOU, JOY. >> TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD SHOW UP AT ALL. OKAY.

I THINK THAT THAT TOO. I THINK THAT WHEN HISTORY RESURFACES, THE PHOTOS OF THIS FIRST SPEECH IN THIS ABNORMAL PRESIDENCY, HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO BE A DICTATOR FROM DAY ONE. AND WE WARNED ABOUT THE DEMISE OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND THE RISE OF FASCISM.

AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN IT IN THE FIRST DAYS OF, OF HIS PRESIDENCY. I THINK THE RECORD WILL SHOW THAT THE ROOM WAS HALF EMPTY AND THAT THE DEMOCRATS FOUGHT HIM, THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS ACTUALLY AN OPPOSITION PARTY AT THIS POINT, NOT A NOT A RESISTANCE PARTY. I DON'T LIKE THE OPTICS OF WALKING OUT SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT SORT OF SEEMS TO ME TO GET INTO THE MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE AND LAUREN BOEBERT TYPE OF HISTRIONICS, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO SIMPLY DENY HIM, THE AUDIENCE THAT HE CRAVES SO VERY MUCH AND AT THE SAME TIME SHOWING THAT THEY ARE THE OPPOSITION PARTY.

>> I DISAGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU. I THINK THEIR JOB IS TO SHOW UP AND TO LISTEN. AND I THINK THERE'S A STRENGTH IN OPTICS IN THAT TOO.

WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. WE CAME HERE, WE'RE SITTING HERE, WE'RE DOING OUR JOB. AND I THINK IT WAS REPRESENTATIVE JAYAPAL THAT SAID, THERE IS A WE ARE NOT GOING TO SAY WE AVOID IT OR WE WALK AWAY OR WE'RE SCARED.

WE SHOW UP. WE SIT THERE STERN FACED. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CLAP AND STAND UP.

YOU CAN STAND THERE AS AN UNBREAKABLE FORCE SHOWING YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. AND I THINK THAT IS A STRONGER THING. DON'T BE A DISTRACTION TO THE INSANITY THAT COMES IN THE WORDS OF THE NIGHT.

MEANING DON'T GET IN HIS WAY. CARVILLE HAS SAID OVER AND OVER, AND I CONTINUE TO AGREE WITH THIS. DON'T BECOME A COMMON ENEMY, WHICH IS WHAT OZ SAID IN WICKED.

THE BEST WAY TO PULL PEOPLE TOGETHER IS TO GIVE THEM A COMMON ENEMY. EVERY TIME THE DEMOCRATS DO SOMETHING REALLY SYMBOLIC, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING JOY ABOUT, LIKE WALK OUT. I KNOW PEOPLE FEEL HELPLESS, BUT WHAT DID THE WALKING OUT DO?

IT MADE A MOCKERY IN SOME WAYS OF PEOPLE SAYING, SEE, THEY CAN'T EVEN SIT THERE AND LISTEN, OR THEY DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP. AND THEIR JOB IS TO SHOW UP. YOU SHOW UP, YOU SHOW UP.

STERN FACED, UNBREAKABLE, ORGANIZED, AND LET THOSE OPTICS. >> SPEAK. >> FOR THEMSELVES.

>> THEY'RE GIVING HIM LEGITIMACY BY SHOWING. >> THEY ARE NOT. THE VOTERS GAVE HIM LEGITIMACY BY PUTTING HIM IN OFFICE.

>> BUT THAT'S THE POINT, IS THAT THE AUDIENCE IS AGREE WITH THE AUDIENCE IS THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. AND THERE'S BEEN DEBATE. DO STATE OF THE UNIONS MATTER?

I WOULD ARGUE THEY DO. THEY USUALLY GET UPWARDS OF 10 MILLION VIEWS, EYEBALLS FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. AND I WOULD REMIND YOU, JOE BIDEN, WHEN PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF HAD GRAVE ISSUES ABOUT HIS AGE, HE THEN GAVE A FORCEFUL STATE OF THE UNION, AND THAT BACKED OFF A LOT OF THE CONCERNS, OF COURSE, UNTIL THE DEBATE.

BUT THEY CAN MATTER IN THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT AROUND THE PEOPLE WATCHING. NOW, I AGREE WITH SARAH. YOU'VE GOT TO SHOW UP.

I THINK HOW THEY DO, I'M ALL FOR DISPLAYS OF SOME KIND OF PROTEST IF THEY'RE RESPECTFUL AND THERE SOME DEGREE OF DECORUM. WHAT I'M HONESTLY A LITTLE BIT MORE CURIOUS TO SEE IS, IS THERE A COHESIVE PUSHBACK WITH DEMOCRATS? BECAUSE WE'VE READ THEY MIGHT WAVE MTA CONTAINERS, SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT BRING A FIRE, FEDERAL WORKER, SOMEONE MIGHT WEAR BLACK.

BUT WHEN IT'S A SCATTERSHOT RESPONSE LIKE THAT, IT DOESN'T BREAK THROUGH. IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE GOING UP. >> IT'S A LOT OF THEM.

>> YOU'RE GOING UP AGAINST THE BIGGEST BULLY PULPIT IN THE WORLD, WHICH IS THE AMERICAN PRESIDENCY. THAT AND THEY HAVE ALL EVERY DEMOCRAT IS REPRESENTS PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP. SO THEY NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE'S SAYING AND THEN BE PREPARED TO COUNTER IT.

BUT YOU CAN'T COUNTER SOMEONE IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN LISTENING TO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. >> WELL, THEY HAVE THE COUNTER, THOUGH, AND I THINK SLOTKIN, ELISSA SLOTKIN OF MICHIGAN, WHO'S GOING TO DELIVER THE DEMOCRATIC RESPONSE TO THE TO THE JOINT ADDRESS, IS GOING TO BE AMAZING. SHE'S WELL QUALIFIED.

SHE WON AN OPEN SEAT IN A STATE THAT TRUMP WON. SHE'S A FORMER CIA ANALYST WHO JOINED THE AGENCY IN RESPONSE TO SEPTEMBER 11TH. SHE DID TOURS IN IRAQ.

SHE SERVED IN BOTH THE BUSH AND OBAMA PRESIDENCIES, BOTH OF THOSE ADMINISTRATIONS. SO I THINK THE DEMOCRATIC VOICE CAN BE HEARD. BUT AGAIN, I AGREE WITH YOU, JOY.

ATTENDING THE SPEECH GIVES TRUMP LEGITIMACY THAT HE JUST DOES NOT DESERVE AND NORMALIZES THIS PRESIDENCY, AND THIS PRESIDENCY ISN'T. >> BUT I WILL SAY DEMOCRATS MADE A CHOICE BY PICKING A CENTRIST LIKE ELISSA SLOTKIN AND NOT SOMEONE LIKE CONGRESSWOMAN JAYAPAL, LIKE A DEEP PROGRESSIVE. THEY WENT WITH SOMEBODY WHO WON IN A TRUMP DISTRICT AND IS A CONSUMMATE.

>> CENTRIST DECISION. >> WHY? >> WHY WAS IT SMART?

BECAUSE SHE WON IN A PLACE WHERE THE VOTERS PICKED TRUMP AND THEN THEY PICKED HER. SO IF YOU WANT TO SHOW THAT SHE'S. >> IN.

>> TOUCH WITH WHAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MISS, WHAT THE VOTERS KEEP SCREAMING, GIVE THEM SOMEONE THAT MATCHES MORE IN LINE WITH HEARING WHAT THEY'VE SAID AND WINS IN DISTRICTS THAT. >> HE DANCES, DON'T YOU? AND DOES HIS LITTLE DANCE TONIGHT.

KEEP ME INTERESTED. AT LEAST I'LL WATCH IT IF HE DOES HIS LITTLE WHATEVER. WHAT IS THAT, A CHICKEN DANCE THAT HE DOES?

>> I SAY ROLL HIM. IF YOU GOT HIM, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. >> WOULD YOU SAY.

>> WOULD YOU SAY. >> YOU VIEW YOUR DEAL IS CELEBRATING WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH BY PARTNERING WITH WOMEN OWNED BUSINESSES FOR AT LEAST HALF OFF. SO GET TO VIEWIKE HE Y STEPHEN A.

SMITH ALWAYS GIVES US HIS CANDID OPINION NO MATTER WHAT THE TOPIC IS, WHICH FITS IN WELL AT IS THIS TABLE. PLEASE WELCOME COMMENTATOR AND EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF ESPN'S "FIRST TAKE," STEPHEN A. SMITH.

[ APPLAUSE ] >> WONDERFUL TO SEE YOU LADIES. >> Joy: WHAT'S THE A. FOR?

>> ISN'TNY. >> Joy: ANT-NY. [ LAUGHTER ] >> Sara: YOU HAD THE WITH ANDREW CUOMO THAT JUST ANNOUNCED HE'LL BE RUNNING FOR MAYOR.

WHAT DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM THE TIME YOU SPENT WITH HIM. >> THE TIMING IS PERFECT PARTICULARLY CONSIDER WHAT ERIC ADAMS IS EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF THE DOJ STEPPING IN TO TAKE OVER THE CASE BASICALLY TO ENCOURAGE THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK TO DISMISS THE CASE. I THINK THE VULNERABILITY THAT EXISTS THERE IS SOMETHING THAT ANDREW CUOMO SENSES.

OBVIOUSLY HE'S BEEN OUT OF THE GAME FOR 3 1/2 YEARS IN THE AFTERMATH OF, YOU KNOW, SEXUAL HARASSMENT ALLEGATIONS, 11 OF THEM TO BE EXACT. HE SPOKE ABOUT THAT WITH ME YESTERDAY. >> Joy: WHAT DID HE SAY?

HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DIDN'T POINT THE FINGER AT THE LADIES BUT OBVIOUSLY PROCLAIMED HIS INNOCENCE AND THOUGHT IT WAS A BIT POLITICIZED TO SAY THE LEAST BUT HE SAID I DEALT WITH WHAT I DEALT WITH AND HAVE TO LOOK AT MYSELF IN THE MIRROR AND RECOGNIZE I HAD BEEN A BIT IMPATIENT AND MADE ENEMIES ALONG THE WAY AND WHEN YOU'RE A LEADER THAT'S HOW IT GOES SOMETIMES. YOU'LL RUFFLE A FEW FEATHERS. NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT ALLEGATIONS BUT IN TERMS OF THE PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FANS OF HIS THAT MAY HAVE WANTED TO POLITICIZE IT.

HE'S LEARNED A LOT AND THINK HE'S COMING BACK BETTER THAN EVER AND THINKS HE'S DESPERATELY NEEDED IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH CRIME IN THE STREETS AND, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF LIVING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND HIS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY HE SAYS IS SAFETY BECAUSE WHEN SAFETY IS NOT ADDRESSED YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE. >> Joy: THAT'S TRUE. >> Sunny: I THOUGHT CRIME WAS DOWN IN NEW YORK.

>> THAT'S WHAT ERIC ADAMS SAYS. [ LAUGHTER ] ANDREW CUOMO HAS A DIFFERENT -- IS LOOKING AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT LENS. I WOULD SAY THIS, YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THE GOVERNOR THAT'S A THREE-TERM GOVERNOR THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN A POSITION TO CAPTURE A FOURTH TERM OR RUN FOR PRESIDENT SO EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT LOOK AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT HE'S LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO LEAD A STATE AND I'M LOOKING AT THE CITY WITHIN THE STATE THAT I GOVERNED THREE SEPARATE TERMS AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS I DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING SO THAT'S A REASON HE'S IN THE POLLS RIGHT NOW AND YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT.

>> Sunny: LET ME ASK YOU THIS. THERE ARE CALLS FOR THE CURRENT MAYOR ERIC ADAMS TO STEP DOWN AFTER THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TOLD FEDERAL PROSECUTORS TO DROP CORRUPTION CHARGES AGAINST HIM. NOW, WHEN YOU SPOKE WITH THE FORMER GOVERNOR, WHO IS AN ATTORNEY, AS WELL, DID HE INDICATE THAT ADAMS MAY HAVE CUT SORT OF THIS QUID PRO QUO DEAL TO WORK WITH TRUMP ON IMMIGRATION IN EXCHANGE FOR DISMISSING THOSE CHARGES.

>> HE GAVE ZERO INDICATION ABOUT THAT, AND THIS WAS THE INTERESTING PART ABOUT IT. HE GAVE THE IMPRESSION HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THAT ROUTE IN ORDER TO BEAT ERIC ADAMS. HE THINKS HE CAN BEAT ERIC ADAMS AND ANYBODY ELSE IN THE RACE BASED ON MERIT AND THEN WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT GOVERNOR HOCHUL AND HER DECISION NOT TO REMOVE MAYOR ADAMS FROM OFFICE, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WHAT I TALK ABOUT WHEN I TALK ABOUT SPORTS, COVERING SPORT, I LOVE THE COMPETITION.

WE CAN POINT IT ALL THOSE THINGS LIKE MAYOR ADAMS WAS ASKED ABOUT GOVERNOR CUOMO AND WHAT HE ENDURED AND SAID, FOLKS, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. HE'S READY TO GO AT CUOMO. IT'S COMPETITION, MAY THE BEST MAN WIN.

>> Sunny: INTERESTING. >> Alyssa: YOU BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON THE 11 SEXUAL MISCONDUCT ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM AND HOW HE RESPONDED TO THAT BUT ANOTHER SORT OF ISSUE HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE NURSING HOMES DURING COVID. BELIEVES HE UNDERREPORTED DEATHS AND WAS SLOW TO RESPOND.

DO YOU THINK HE WILL TAKE THAT ON DIRECTLY? >> I DON'T THINK HE HAS A CHOICE BECAUSE I ASKED AND IF I ASKED I KNOW THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE ASKING BEFORE THEY GO TO THE POLLS TO DECIDE WHO THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR LIKELY BETWEEN HIM AND ADAMS. HE KNOWS THAT WAS A SITUATION HE COULDN'T AVOID.

HE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS LENGTHY IN A LENGTHY FASHION, I MIGHT ADD BUT IN THE EE END HE KNOWS HE CANNOT RUN FOR THOSE DISTRICTS. THOSE TWO THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WILL COME UP ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. YOU KNOW, THE UNDER -- YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF EMPHASIS ON NURSING HOMES AND THE PEOPLE PLACED IN THE NURSING HOMES AND THE DEATHS THAT OCCURRED.

>> Sunny: DOES HE HAVE AN EXPLANATION? >> HE DOES IS -- HE DID HAVE BUT IT'S TOO LONG TO GET INTO HERE, I'LL TELL YOU THAT MUCH. >> Joy: MAYBE HE SHOULD COME ON THE SHOW AND EXPLAIN.

>> Whoopi: THAT'S HIS PLAN. HE DOES PLAN TO COME ON. >> I MENTIONED "THE VIEW," COME ON NOW.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> Alyssa: STEPHEN, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOU FOR A MINUTE. >> YES. >> Alyssa: YOUR NAME WAS RECENTLY FLOATED AS A POTENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN 2020 FOR THE DEMOCRATS.

CAN I PRACTICE I A CLIP? YOU HAD PRETTY TOUGH WORDS. >> IF YOU'RE THE DEMOCRATS, THAT'S WHY STEPHEN A.

SMITH IS IN THE NEWS. BECAUSE Y'ALL DON'T HAVE ANYBODY. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY.

WHO YOU GOT? I'M NOT IN THE NEWS BECAUSE I'M HERE. I'M IN THE NEWS BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS HERE.

DAMN IT, LOWER THAN THAT, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM. THEY SUCK RIGHT NOW. HORRIBLE.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE. WHERE THE HELL IS THE VOICE? >> Joy: DON'T HOLD BACK.

>> Alyssa: THAT IS QUITE A VOICE YOU'VE GOT. RIGHT NOW IN THE POLLS YOU'RE NEARLY TIED WITH PETE BUTTIGIEG, AOC, HIGHER RATING THAN JOHN FETTERMAN AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?

>> I MAKE OF IT THAT CITIZENS PARTICULARLY ON THE LEFT ARE DESPERATE AND I MEAN IT WHEN I SAY IT. I THINK I CAN BEAT THEM ALL. AND I HAVE NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

I AM NOT A POLITICIAN. I AM NOT QUALIFIED BUT I KNOW THIS MUCH WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHO IS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND HOW HE'S GOTTEN AWAY WITH SAYING VERY LITTLE IN TERMS OF BEING COHERENT AND ARTICULATING HIS THOUGHTS CLEARLY AND CONCISELY AND WHAT HAVE YOU, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HE'S KNOWN TO DO. YET, AND STILL HE HAS OWNED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SINCE 2015, NOT ONLY HAS HE WON THE REPUBLICAN CONSTITUENCY HAS SAID WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE BUT HIM.

WE DON'T WANT DeSANTIS, WE DON'T WANT HALEY OR RAMASWAMY. >> Sunny: WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. >> IT'S NOT WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BUT ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

>> Whoopi: WHY? >> IN THE END IF YOU THINK ABOUT HIM BEING IMPEACHED TWICE, 34 FELONY COUNTS, 34 FELONY CONVICTIONS AND STILL ELECTED HIM PRESIDENT IT'S NOT ABOUT HIM WINNING. IT WAS AN INDICTMENT AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND WHAT THE PARTY WAS OFFERING TO AMERICAN CITIZENS.

WE MIGHT SIT THERE AND TALK ABOUT YOU SHOULD BE A PARTY FOR THE WORKING CLASS WHICH THE DEMOCRATIC WAS ONCE KNOWN FOR. THEY'RE NOT KNOWN FOR THAT RIGHT NOW? WHY?

THEIR MESSAGE WAS CATERING TOWARDS OTHERS AND OTHER ISSUES AND FORGOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT BROUGHT THEM THERE AND ELEVATED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO WHAT IT WAS OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES. THAT'S WHY THEY LOST. HE DIDN'T WIN.

>> Whoopi: LET'S REMIND PEOPLE WHAT THOSE ISSUES WERE. >> SURE. >> Whoopi: LET'S REMIND PEOPLE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.

MAKING SURE THAT FAMILIES HAD WHAT THEY NEED. SNAP, MAKING SURE STUFF IS THERE. MAKING SURE THAT THE AMERICA THAT WE ALL GREW UP IN WHERE YOU COULD COME AND BE WHOEVER YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE OR WANT TO BE, YOU ESTIMATE HAVE THAT RIGHT.

ALL THESE THINGS ARE THE THINGS THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS SAID, BUT NOW WE HAVE A GUY WHO IS IN WHO SAYS, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BRING DOWN THE PRICE OF EGGS, BUT FIRST I'M GOING TO CUT ALL THESE JOBS AND I'M NOT GOING TO SEE WHY THEY NEED TO BE CUT. I'M JUST GOING TO CUT THEM BECAUSE I'M GOING TO PUT PEOPLE IN. WELL, THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING.

HE'S DOING -- >> Joy: AND ALIENATING ALL OUR FRIENDS AROUND THE WORLD. >> TALK ABOUT WHAT HE'S DOING. BEFORE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP YOU BROUGHT UP THE MESSAGE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS DISSEMINATING.

I'M CHALLENGING YOU ON THAT. THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY WERE DOING. >> Whoopi: OH, YES, IT WAS.

I WAS HERE. WE DID IT. >> I WAS HERE TOO AND ALIVE AND BREATHING ON THE AIR TALKING TO EVERYBODY ELSE.

THE BOTTOM LINE, YOU'RE JOE BIDEN, YOU OPEN BORDERS. NOW, REMEMBER, BARACK OBAMA DEPORTED MORE PEOPLE THAN TRUMP DID. YOU KNOW WHAT HE DIDN'T DO, HE DIDN'T STICK OUT HIS CHEST AND BLOVIATE ABOUT IT.

WHAT DOES JOE BIDEN DO WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT UNDER BARACK OBAMA? HE OPENS BORDERS. OVER 12 PLUS MILLION PEOPLE ENTERED THE COUNTRY.

YOU HAD STUFF GOING ON IN THE STREETS -- THERE WAS A MIGRANT CRISIS. >> Whoopi: ARE YOU TELLING US HE'S THE REASON THERE IS A MIGRANT CRISIS? >> NO, I'M NOT.

I'M SAYING HE CONTRIBUTED TO IT. >> Whoopi: ALL RIGHT. >> Sunny: HE JUST TOOK THE KEY AND OPENED UP THE DOOR.

>> WELL, THAT'S PART OF IT. EVEN THE DEMOCRATS SAY -- >> Whoopi: HOLD ON TO THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN COME BACK WITH ENOUGH TIME. MORE WITH STEPHEN A.

SMITH WHEN WE COME BACK. >> SURE. [ APPLAUSE ] ♪ >> Whoopi: WE ARE BACK WITH STEPHEN A.

SMITH. WHO HAS THE NEXT QUESTION. >> Joy: I DO.

SO, TRUMP'S ONLY BEEN IN OFFICE FOR SIX WEEKS. SEEMS LIKE SIX YEARS, DOESN'T IT? HE'S BEEN GOING AROUND WITH HIS CRONIES TOUTING HIS SO-CALLED LANDSLIDE AND BLOW-OUT WIN.

BUT HE WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY 1. 5%. ONE OF THE SMALLEST EVER AND HE WON THE GENERAL ELECTION BY LESS THAN 50%.

>> IT IS A MANDATE BUT LET ME BE CLEAR I'M NO SUPPORTER OF TRUMP BUT OF THE TRUTH AND THE FACTS. HE WON EVERY SWING STATE. HE INCREASED IN TERMS OF HIS VOTER TURNOUT AND HIS FAVOR FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BLACKS, LATINOS AND YOUNG VOTERS AND INCREASED HIS NUMBERS FROM 2020.

89% OF THE COUNTIES SHIFTED TO THE RIGHT. THAT'S A MANDATE. WE CAN SIT UP AND PLAY AROUND ALL WE WANT.

IN 2020, THEY DIDN'T -- TRUMP DIDN'T WIN THE POPULAR VOTE. HE DIDN'T WIN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTE. A MATTER OF FACT, THE REPUBLICANS HADN'T WON THE POPULAR VOTE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

>> Alyssa: 20 YEARS. >> SINCE 2004 BUT THEY DID THIS YEAR. 20 YEARS AFTER THEY LAST WON THE POPULAR VOTE, THEY WON THE POPULAR VOTE.

THEY WON THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTE. THE MAN WON EVERY SWING STATE AND ON TOP OF IT 89% OF THE COUNTIES SHIFTED. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THERE'S NO MANDATE.

THERE'S A MANDATE. >> Joy: IT'S A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF A MANDATE. >> IF YOU'RE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND LOST 48% AND LOOKING AT THAT 1.

5%, THAT'S AN EXCUSE TO SAY, WHAT WE DID REALLY WASN'T THAT BAD. >> Sunny: SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW UP. >> WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

NO, FIND A NEW STRATEGY. >> Joy: DO YOU THINK THOSE GROUPS, BLACK VOTERS, LATINO GROUPS AND OTHERS, ARE THEY GOING TO REGRET IT 1507B. >> POSSIBLY.

I DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING FROM TRUMP. I DIDN'T LIKE WHAT I SAW WITH ZELENSKYY. >> Joy: ZELENSKYY?

WELL, YEAH. >> Sunny: IN THE OFFICIAL OFFICE. >> IN THE END WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO THIS TO THIIS THIS, IT WASN'T ABOUT .

THEY WERE VOTING AGAINST WHAT THE DEMOCRATS WERE THROWING IN THEIR DIRECTION. I DIDN'T ONLY TALK TO CUOMO. I DID INTERVIEW ADAMS AND HAKEEM JEFFRIES AND I TALKED TO THEM AND I'M GOING TO TALK TO SOME MORE TOO AND SAY THE SAME MESSAGE.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO WIN? I LOVE WES MOORE, THE GOVERNOR OF MARYLAND. >> Alyssa: I DO TOO.

>> JUST INTERVIEWED CUOMO. I LIKE HIM A LOT. I WANT SOMEBODY TO STEP UP AND RECOGNIZE THAT MAN IN THE OVAL OFFICE, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT IS COMING, YOU GOT TO FIND A WAY TO BEAT HIM.

>> Sunny: LET'S TALK GO HOW PEOPLE ARE FEELING ABOUT HIS PERFORMANCE BECAUSE A CNN POLL THIS WEEK FOUND 52% OF PEOPLE DISAPPROVE OF TRUMP'S PERFORMANCE IN OFFICE SO FAR. SO, EVEN THOUGH HE MAY HAVE WON THE GENERAL ELECTION BY LESS THAN 50%, 52% DISAPPROVE OF WHAT HE'S DOING. >> OKAY.

>> Sunny: WE'RE ALSO SEEING REPUBLICAN VOTERS AT TOWN HALLS OPPOSING HIS EXECUTIVE OVERREACH, GIVING ELON MUSK THE SHADOW PRESIDENCY, YET, YOU SAID, QUOTE, TRUMP IS CLOSER TO NORMAL THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE LEFT. >> YEAH, I WAS TALKING BY -- WHEN I MADE THAT THAT WAS BEFORE THE ELECTION. >> Sunny: I SEE.

>> DURING THE ELECTION I SAID -- IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH I POINTED OUT HE WAS VOTED FOR BECAUSE THEY CONSIDERED HIM CLOSER TO NORMAL THAN WHAT THE DEMOCRATS WERE SPEWING. THAT'S WHAT I SAID AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT OF TIME. ELON MUSK IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MATTER.

THIS MAN IS NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. HE HASN'T BEEN CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE. >> Whoopi: AIN'T NOBODY SAYING NOTHING.

>> GOT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF POWER. >> Sunny: GIVING TO HIM BY RUMP. >> AND THAT CAN SCARE THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF PEOPLE BUT HERE'S THE BIGGER QUESTION, WHO ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE POINTING TO AND SAYING, THAT'S THEIR PERSON?

THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY. >> Joy: WE WILL SEE. >> Whoopi: WE'RE SIX WEEKS IN WITH YOU-KNOW-WHO.

WE'RE SIX WEEKS IN WITH YOU-KNOW-WHO. EVERYBODY SAID LET HIM DO WHAT HE'S DOING SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, SO AND NOW PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO AS A DEMOCRAT? WELL, WAIT A MINUTE NOW.

Y'ALL DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT WE HAD TO SAY AS DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT PEOPLE VOTED FOR SO NOW WE HAVE A CLEAR DEFINITION AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL DECIDE HOW THEY LIKE WHAT HE'S DOING, BECAUSE NOW IT'S AFFECTING IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE WERE NOT ANTICIPATING, PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T THINK THEY WOULD BE AFFECTED LIKE THE FOLKS WHO WORK IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY NEVER SAW THIS COMING. THEY NEVER SAW THIS COMING. SORRY.

>> Sara: THAT'S OKAY. >> Whoopi: PEOPLE CAN MAKE OMELETS. EVERYBODY DOESN'T EAT EGGS.

NOT A FAN. BUT I LIKE CHICKENS BUT I'M NOT A FAN OF EGGS FOR THE MOUTH. ANYWAY, OUR THANKS TO STEPHEN A.

SMITH. BE SURE TO CHECK OUT HIS INTERVIEW WITH THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK CITY ON THE STEPHEN A. SMITH SHOW WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS AND WE, OF COURSE, WILL BE RIGHT BACK AND AT SOME POINT I'M SURE BRIAN IS GOING TO SAY, STEPHEN A.

SMITH WILL BE ON OUR PODCAST. >> WELL, NOT THIS TIME BUT HE'LL BE ON US SOON AGAIN. >> Whoopi: HE'LL BE BACK ON THE PODCAST.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. [ APPLAUSE ] ♪ ♪ >> WELCOME BACK. KARINE.

JEAN-PIERRE MADE HISTORY DURING PRESIDENT BIDEN'S ADMINISTRATION AS THE LONGEST SERVING FEMALE PRESS SECRETARY. AS WELL AS THE FIRST BLACK FEMALE PERSON HUMAN BEING, FIRST IMMIGRANT AND FIRST OPENLY LGBTQ PLUS PERSON APPOINTED TO THE POSITION. SHE'S EVERYTHING.

>> YEAH. >> YEAH. AND WE'RE THRILLED THAT SHE'S HERE WITH US TODAY FOR HER FIRST POST DC INTERVIEW.

>> YEAH. >> PLEASE WELCOME KARINE. JEAN-PIERRE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> JOY HAS THE FIRST QUESTION. BUT YOU. WHEN STEVEN WAS LEAVING, SHE SAID, NICE TO MEET YOU.

NICE TO MEET YOU. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. >> YES.

>> I DO. AND I WAS CURIOUS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS.

>> I DO ON THE MANDATE ON DONALD TRUMP AND HIS ADMINISTRATION HAVING A MANDATE. AND WE HAVE TO BE SUPER MINDFUL AND CAREFUL OF THIS BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE A MANDATE. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, JUST LOOK AT THE FACTS.

HE WON WITH THE SMALLEST MARGIN OF THE POPULAR VOTE SINCE THE 19TH CENTURY. THERE WAS NO COATTAIL, MEANING THAT IT IS THE. THE HOUSE IS AT A RAZOR THIN, RAZOR THIN.

AND HE IS ABOUT. HE'S ON HIS WAY IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS TO BE THE MOST UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT IN THEIR FIRST 100 DAYS. THAT IS NOT A MANDATE.

70 YEARS. IN 70 YEARS. >> MAN IS IN THERE.

>> WELL. >> THAT'S QUESTIONABLE. >> BUT I GUESS THE.

>> QUESTION IS, DOES IT MATTER IF HE HAS BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS IN THE WHITE HOUSE? >> IT DOES MATTER, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS ADMINISTRATION IS HE'S TAKING A WRECKING BALL TO THE GOVERNMENT. YEAH.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS SO THAT PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND, AS FOLKS ARE SITTING HERE AND WATCHING, HE IS THERE ARE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN FIRED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND NOW IS OUR WATER SAFE, RIGHT? IS OUR FOOD SAFE? RIGHT?

>> ARE THE SKIES. >> THE SKY? >> THE SKY RIGHT AND THE SKIES RIGHT?

WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING ON A PLANE. IS THAT GOING TO BE SAFE? >> ARE THERE GOING TO BE A PANDEMIC?

>> IS THERE GOING TO BE A PANDEMIC? AND NOT ONLY THAT, FOLKS WHO NEED THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK. >> YEAH.

>> ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT? YEAH. I MEAN, THAT IS REAL.

AND THEY'RE DOING IT WITHOUT CONCERN OF THE FALLOUT. >> THEY DON'T CARE. >> AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE.

AND LOOK, I UNDERSTAND. >> THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T VOTE FOR THOSE. >> THINGS, RIGHT?

BECAUSE WHERE'S THE ECONOMY? WHAT HAPPENED TO OH, WE'RE GOING TO BRING PRICES DOWN. WE SAW WHAT HE DID WITH THE TARIFFS YESTERDAY.

>> YEAH. >> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THAT. YEAH.

AND IT'S GOING TO INCREASE. IF YOU LOOK AT CAR PRICES, IF YOU LOOK AT FOOD PRICES, ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO GO UP. THAT'S AND FOREIGN COUNTRIES ARE NOT PAYING FOR THAT.

WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT. IT'S A LOOK IT'S GOING. >> TO BE PART OF NATO.

>> ARE WE GOING TO BE AND LOOK, IT'S A MORONIC POLICY. IT IS. BUT LET'S BE CLEAR.

HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO THAT DURING HIS ELECTION. >> AND HE'S DOING IT. >> AND THIS IS THE LOOK.

THE STRATEGY IS CHAOS. IT'S TRULY CHAOS. BUT WE CANNOT FORGET.

AND WE HAVE TO START ASKING THE HARD QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. THIS IS A FIVE ALARM FIRE. SO FIVE ALARM.

>> LET ME FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING ELSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND DO YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD WALK OUT TONIGHT? >> LOOK, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A REAL A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT THEY NEED TO ASK THEMSELVES.

THE ONE IS, WHO ARE THEY? WHO ARE WE AS A PARTY? WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?

AND ARE WE MEETING THE MOMENT? BECAUSE THESE MOMENTS ARE NOT NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

IT IS A WE HAVE TO HAVE A SENSE OF URGENCY AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND WE CANNOT DO IT THE WAY THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. WE JUST CANNOT.

THAT'S RIGHT. >> THIS IS NOT NORMAL. >> THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

>> AND THIS IS MY ALARM. AS YOU. >> SAY, IT IS A FIVE ALARM FIRE.

AND IF WE DO NOT ACT AS IF IT IS A FIVE ALARM FIRE. LOOK, HE'S NOT HE'S NOT JUST COMING AFTER VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES ANYMORE. THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT IS INCREDIBLY PROBLEMATIC.

HE'S TRYING TO MAKE EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF THE VULNERABLE COMMUNITY VULNERABLE THEMSELVES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE OF WHAT HE'S GOING AFTER AND WHAT HE'S DOING, BECAUSE IT'S AFFECTING ALL OF US. >> EVERYBODY. >> ALL OF US.

>> EDUCATION. >> EDUCATION, AND WE CARE ABOUT EDUCATION. >> MISS YOU.

YOU KNOW. >> OH, YEAH. >> GIVE HER A BREAK.

>> SHE HAS SO MUCH. >> I DO. >> WE DO.

>> WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. SINCE SINCE YOU LEFT THE BRIEFING ROOM.

AND WE DO MISS YOU. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS MADE SOME INTERESTING CHANGES, INCLUDING BARRING THE ASSOCIATED PRESS FROM KEY PRESS AREAS FOR NOT USING THE TERM GULF OF AMERICA INSTEAD OF GULF OF MEXICO. AND THEY'VE TAKEN OVER CONTROL OF PRESS POOL COVERAGE FOR THE FIRST TIME, I THINK, IN OVER 100 YEARS.

WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF WHAT IS HAPPENING, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE FOR THE CURRENT PRESS SECRETARY? >> SO HERE'S THE THING. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS IF YOU LOOK AT THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, THEY ARE THE OLDEST WIRE IN THE PRESS BRIEFING ROOM.

AND YOU THINK ABOUT JOURNALISTS. YOU THINK ABOUT THE REASON THEY'RE IN THE PRESS BRIEFING. YOU THINK ABOUT THE REASON THEY'RE IN THE POOL.

IT'S CALLED THE PROTECTIVE POOL. THERE ARE 13 MEMBERS OF THE POOL TRYING NOT TO GET TOO WONKY HERE. AND THEIR JOB IS TO PROVIDE UNBIASED INFORMATION TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE THAT.

AND WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS TEAM DECIDES TO STEP IN AND OVERRIDE THE WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENTS ASSOCIATION, WHO THEY HAVE THE JOB OF DOING THAT, THEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS STATE TV. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT RUSSIA IS DOING. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT NORTH KOREA IS DOING, AND WE ARE DOING THAT.

THEY ARE ATTACKING THE FIBER OF THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS. THEY ARE DESTROYING IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE COVERED IN A FRIENDLY WAY. AND LOOK, I WAS IN THAT POSITION FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

IT IS AN EXERCISE. WHAT WE DID IN THE PRESS BRIEFING ROOM, WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID WHEN HE TOOK QUESTIONS FROM THE PRESS. IT IS AN EXERCISE OF DEMOCRACY.

AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN THE PRESS BRIEFING ROOM WAS TELEVISED, IT'S NOT JUST TELEVISED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. IT'S TELEVISED GLOBALLY. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.

>> AND. RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE WONDERING.

OTHER COUNTRIES ARE WONDERING WHAT IS WHAT WHAT ARE WE SAYING AS THE UNITED STATES, WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANT TO DO? AND IT IS AN EXERCISE OF DEMOCRACY. IT IS THE CORNERSTONE OF DEMOCRACY.

THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS IS THE FOURTH OF STATE, AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LEADING THAT AS THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. >> CALLED THE FIRST KOREAN. >> I DO WANT.

>> TO ASK. >> I DO WANT TO ASK ABOUT YOUR BOSS, PRESIDENT BIDEN. YOU WERE ASKED RECENTLY AT HARVARD ABOUT THE SORT OF THE ONSLAUGHT THAT YOU GUYS FACED AFTER HE HAD A VERY BAD DEBATE PERFORMANCE.

YOU DESCRIBED IT AS A FIRING SQUAD. ANOTHER BIDEN AIDE CALLED SAID THE PARTY LOST ITS MIND. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JOE BIDEN WOULD HAVE WON IF HE HAD STAYED IN?

AND A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, DO YOU THINK KAMALA HARRIS WOULD HAVE HAD A BETTER SHOT HAD SHE HAD MORE TIME? >> SO, LOOK, I, I WAS ASKED A QUESTION. I ANSWERED IT HONESTLY AND HOW I FELT AT THE MOMENT.

I WAS THE ONE THAT WAS GOING TO THE PODIUM ALMOST EVERY DAY AFTER THAT HAPPENED. AND IT WAS SHOCKING WHAT I SAW. BUT I ALSO I CAN'T SPECULATE, RIGHT?

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. I REALLY AND ANYBODY WHO SAYS THEY DO, THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW. AND SO I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE TO REHASH THE PAST.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA RIGHT NOW. AGAIN, FIVE ALARM FIRE. WE NEED TO MOVE WITH STRATEGY, WITH FOCUS.

AND WE NEED TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEEDS TO ACTUALLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THAT I PUT FORTH. WHO ARE WE AND WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING. >> FOR AND.

>> HOW DO WE MEET THE MOMENT? >> PRESS SECRETARY, YOU ARE ALSO AN ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT. SO THAT MEANT YOU WERE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH THE CAMPAIGN OFF ON TIME.

>> ACTUALLY, YOU ACTUALLY, I COULD NOT I HAD I HAD A SPECIAL KIND OF ROLE AS A PRESS SECRETARY. I DID NOT INTERACT WITH IT. >> SO YOU HAD.

NO. I DID NOT A COMMISSIONED OFFICER. >> I COULD NOT.

>> BECAUSE YOU HAD NO INSIGHT INTO THE POLLING THAT SHOWED HE WOULD HAVE LOST EVERYTHING. >> I DID NOT, BECAUSE IT. >> DOES MATTER, THOUGH.

>> OKAY, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK.

BECAUSE YOU SEE THIS CONVERSATION GETTING GOING AND COME BACK WITH MORE WITH KARINE JEAN-PIERRE. KARINE JEAN-PIERRE. SARA HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.

>> Sara: SORRY, JUST CHOMPED ON ICE. WITH ALL HIS WARNINGS ABOUT TRUMP BEING AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO DEMOCRACY WE'VE HEARD PRACTICALLY NOTHING FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN OR FELLOW EX-PRESIDENTS SO FAR THIS TERM. DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM?

>> LOOK, YOU JUST STATED THIS IN 2020 PRESIDENT BIDEN MADE HIMSELF CLEAR WHEN HE RAN FOR THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ON HOW HE FELT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. HE MADE HIMSELF CLEAR IN 2023 AND 2024. THERE'S NO SECRET AS YOU JUST STATED ABOUT HOW HE FEELS.

I THINK WE WILL HEAR FROM HIM. I THINK HE WILL BE VERY CLEAR. HE'S ALWAYS BEEN VERY HONEST WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WE WILL HEAR THAT.

LOOK, I ALSO THINK AND THIS JUST GOES BACK TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WHO ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR, WHAT ARE WE STANDING UP FOR AND WE HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, BOTH SIDES FOR A SECOND, SOMETHING FOR THE REPUBLICANS. WHICH IS, DO YOU ALL BELIEVE THAT CONGRESS IS A COEQUAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT?

OR ARE YOU GOING TO BEND TO THE WHIMS OF A PRESIDENT WHO IS TRYING TO BRING -- LIKE PUT TOGETHER POWER, CONSOLIDATE POWER AND THAT IS SOMETHING FOR THEM TO SPEAK TO AS WELL AND I THINK IT IS A BOTH SIDES THING. FOR EXAMPLE, PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY, WE LITERALLY THREW OUR ALLY UNDER THE BUS. >> Sunny: PUBLICLY.

>> PUBLICLY. I REMEMBER A TIME WHEN IT CAME TO STANDING UP FOR OUR ALLIES AND PARTNERS, IT WAS A BIPARTISAN ISSUE, A BIPARTISAN ISSUE, SO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT -- >> Joy: THEY SEEM SCARED ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

>> Sunny: WELL, THEY ARE AND THEY WANT POWER. LET ME JUST ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. YOU ARE A GROUNDBREAKER IN SO MANY WAYS, A GLASS CEILING BREAKER IN SO MANY WAYS.

YOU HAVE A MASTERS DEGREE FROM COLUMBIA. YOU ARE A LECTURER IN INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC AFFAIRS AT COLUMBIA. CHIEF PUBLIC OFFICER FOR MOVEON.

ORG AND POLITICAL ANISE AT NBC, MSNBC AND REGIONAL POLITICAL DIRECTOR FOR THE WHITE HOUSE, OFFICE OF POLITICAL AFFAIRS DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. THE LIST REALLY GOES ON. YOU'RE FLUENT IN THREE -- >> Joy: ONLY AN HOUR SHOW, SUNNY.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> Sunny: I'M MAKING A POINT, THOUGH. YOU'RE FLUENT IN THREE LANGUAGES. BUT THE RIGHT IS CALLING YOU A DEI HIRE.

>> Joy: OH, MY GOD. >> Sunny: WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT. >> THE FACT THAT THEY FOCUS ON ME SO MUCH, I PROBABLY SHOULD PUT IT AS A BADGE OF HONOR.

RIGHT NOW DEI IS BEING USED AS A CATCH-ALL PHRASE FOR THINGS THEY DON'T LIKE. AND WE GOT TO BE REALLY CLEAR HERE TOO. DEI DID NOT CAUSE THAT TRAGIC PLANE ACCIDENT IN WASHINGTON, D.

C. DEI DID NOT -- IS NOT CAUSING THE INCREASE OF PRICES, RIGHT, ALTHOUGH ALTHO ALTHOUGH THEY'LL BLAME IT ON US AND DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH, INCLUSION IS IMPORTANT. [ APPLAUSE ] AND IT MAKES US A BETTER COUNTRY, AND WHEN WE DO THINGS LIKE THAT, WHEN THE OTHER SIDE DOES THINGS LIKE THAT AND SCAPEGOATS PEOPLE IT ACTUALLY PUTS VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES IN DANGER.

>> Joy: YEP. >> Sunny: YEP. >> AND, LOOK, WHAT WE SAW, WHAT WE SAW IN THE BIDEN/HARRIS ADMINISTRATION WAS SOMETHING THAT REPRESENTED WHO WE ARE AS A NATION.

AND THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE INCLUSION IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE STRIVING FOR. >> Whoopi: YES. AND JUST TO -- [ APPLAUSE ] JUST TO PUT A BUTTON ON IT, WE ARE NOT OUR GREAT GRANDPARENTS, WE ARE NOT OUR GRANDPARENTS, WE ARE OF 2025.

WE ARE NOT THE WOMEN THAT WERE IN IN 1950. THIS IS 2025, AND WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. [ APPLAUSE ] WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

ALL THESE WOMEN, ALL THESE WOMEN, WHETHER WE AGREE ALL THE TIME OR NOT, WE ARE HERE TO STAY. WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND YOU CAN CALL IT ANY NUMBER OF LETTERS YOU WANT TO, YOU'LL WAKE UP AND WE'RE STILL GOING TOL. O!