Aliia Roza - Russian Sex Spy on Seduction Perfumes, Sexpionage and Honeypot Tradecraft | SRS #262

[Music] Aaliyah Rosa, welcome to the show. >> Thank you so much, Sean. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. >> Well, thank you for being here. A real world honeypot. >> Well, former former honeypot. Former. Yes. Thank you. Otherwise, you know, I would be like, who knows what will happen with me tomorrow. >> No, I've been so I've been really Excited about this interview. Thanks. I'm I'm glad we were able to make it work. I knew we had to reschedule, but you know what caught my I saw you on you popped up on

my Instagram feed >> and you were talking about I believe you were talking about spies and Silicon Valley and so that caught my attention because I've been interviewing a lot of tech giants from Silicon Valley startups and very established and you know I have Breakfast or lunch or dinner a lot of times with the guests uh off camera and a handful of these guys were talking about Russian and Chinese >> Ukrainian >> honeypotss. Yeah. Uh spies that are going in there and you know they meet these tech guys that probably there's probably a handful of

them that have never been with a woman and then a beautiful woman comes and then there goes all the secrets back to Russia, China, Ukraine where wherever. >> Russia also has a strong secret intelligence. I figured. And so, you know, and so we would have these conversations and I would I I was uh I was a GRS contractor for the Central Intelligence Agency and through a lot of my deployments, one thing that I noticed is I didn't see any Russian ones, but I saw a lot of Chinese brothel that were being set up all over

Iraq, all over Afghanistan, all over the Middle East, Pretty much anywhere that Americans are working outside of the US and probably well actually definitely inside the US they have um they have they have brothel where they're trying to lure in state department intelligence professionals um anybody that they can you know kind of get their hands on. So, so it was an interesting dialogue every single time. And then and and I was I was surp I wasn't surprised, but I was like, oh like you guys are very aware of this kind of stuff. And um and

then about a month later, you popped up and I was like, I got to we have to do this. So, thank you. Thank you for coming. >> Thank you so much. No, I I really appreciate it. You know I appreciate it so much uh for being inviting to your interview because usually press when I give interview or something usually press they either exaggerate everything either they write More uh and they call me like this crazy names like um you know the sex spy reveals the confession or like the um sex spy manipulator tells the all

truth and all this. So I understand they need to sell it but I mainly gave an interview about how to prevent manipulation. Um especially for those men who work in tech companies who are super busy. they don't have time to go and socialize, you know, and meet women um who are devoted To their work and hence they when they meet someone online >> like virtually sometimes because of their kindness or maybe because they're naive sort of they don't even think that behind this account may be a fake account of a professional mature male intelligent an

officer who pretends to be this cute, nice young female, you know, girl wearing like bikinis or whatever on the beach. >> Mhm. >> And love bombing his account through the social platforms like LinkedIn and uh you know could be Instagram, Facebook, whatever. And this poor man because they don't have female attention during the day they buy it and because they go too into this relationship they've been manipulated and it's really sad >> because you know when I gave an interview I was actually in New York time post I was actually giving some techniques how to

prevent manipulation How to see through this manipulation and how to understand what are the red flags not just for men but for women too there's so any online scammers, right? And we know so many um who actually, you know, love bombing you in order to get some money out of you and like hack your accounts or like a bank account or whatever. So um the Times article went out like 22nd October and in the Times magazine it said that according to the commission of The theft of the American intellectual property um the theft on the

trade secrets um cost over $600 billion to American taxpayers annually. >> 6 over 600 billion. Yeah. So you can go and yes yes it's in the article and it's the whole investigation. >> Um actually there is an expert James Malvinon if I'm you know pronounc it correctly. He is actually for 30 years investigating espionage in corporations Such as like you know corporations in Silicon Valley. And that's exactly what he says that he even I mean he looks like about like 60 years old guy. He said like, "I've been targeted and I've been contacted by so

many Chinese beautiful pretty um accounts in LinkedIn where I understand probably they are spies or like fake accounts." >> Uhhuh. You see, so that's what's going on. And that's why we we would like to bring awareness, me particular, to these Men to be very careful when they have these messages online from these pretty beautiful young girls. Why would they find you? How would they find you? Why would why would you think that they want to kind of like date you and whatever just because you're cute? I mean, like, think about like where do you work?

what kind of >> let's be honest a lot of them aren't cute so um You know but it's so we'll get to all that and I think that's very important but you know I just thought the I thought the interview would be fascinating and it's going to be even more fascinating than I thought because you know originally when I I just saw the clip you know and so I was like we we have to get her >> and um >> and then going through the outline and and um you as we've as the team's been

Talking to you about the outline. I mean, so you were basically you were basically trafficked and this is this is a lot um this is a lot different than what I was thinking. So in in in in the it sounds like you you were trying to take down basically trafficking networks, traffickers, am I correct? >> Yes. >> And there was a lot of trauma involved in that and a lot of recovery. >> Yes. A lot of I still I still work with the therapist every week. >> Really? >> Yeah. For for 17 years. >> 17

years. >> Yeah. And I still have PTSDs and anxiety and it's uh it's a big challenge. >> It is very like u sometimes like there are some days that it's just even my spy techniques don't really help that. I mean, of course, they do help, but still Sometimes like I find myself that I just cannot go through the day and it's really hard, you know. >> So, yeah. >> Well, everybody starts off with an introduction here. So, >> thank you. >> Here we go. Aaliyah Rosa, a former secret agent turned woman empowerment coach, public speaker,

and influencer. Born in the former Soviet Union into a Kazak Tarter Family of high-ranking Soviet military officers. Your grandfather was a national hero who fought the Nazis during World War II. At 18, you became a Russian FSB trained seduction agent where you dedicated yourself to combating drug and human trafficking. And then you defected from Russia writing a book that reveals spy secret spy techniques based on the KGB program. And there's a documentary being produced about your life. And then um we pulled a quote that I thought was uh pretty interesting from you. At the end

of the day, when I saved someone's life, I felt good about it. But I never asked myself how I felt being in a body that was constantly abused and raped by random men. One former FBI agent said I was broke. I was a broken toy. That I was sex trafficked myself. But all my classmates, we didn't feel this way. We felt patriotic. We were ready to sacrifice And do anything for our government. That's how I felt. It's a pretty powerful statement. >> Thank you. Yeah, that's a pretty powerful statement. So, um, so like I was

saying, you know, before before we started rolling the cameras here, I would like to do a a life story on you and then toward the end of it talk about some trade craft and man manipulation techniques, how to avoid it and and all that kind of good stuff. And who knows What kind of rabbit holes we'll go down uh after that. But before we do, everybody gets a gift. Oh, thank you. >> Fibulants League gummy bears. >> Wow. Thank you. Can I try it? >> Of course. >> You can try it here. >> You can

try it right here. >> I'm so excited. I've seen it. I just uh I was like wondering what is the taste of these gummies. So curious. By the way, while I'm Unpacking it quickly, um so we're working on documentary. It's not it's not produ I mean it's not produced yet. We're just like in the beginning of the beginning. Uh I just signed a deal with Topic Studios. >> Um but um we we didn't even start filming it. So yeah, it's not really you have any uh do you have any idea when it will be out?

>> Probably next year, but I think like the book will come out earlier than the Documentary because you know everything like basically coming from the book. They're looking for the IP blah blah blah and then you know how it is. >> Are you going to be in it or they >> in the documentary? Yes. But TV show, no TV show, somebody else will film. >> Right on. >> Let's hide it here. >> What's that? >> So, I'll I'll just hide this pink. Okay. So, >> all right. So, I'm ready to try. They're so cute. >>

All right. Let's see what you think. >> M. Oh my god. >> Not bad, huh? >> Very, very good. >> Right on. >> Wow. >> Right on. >> I actually save it to my son. He loves it. >> Right on. >> He loves gummy bears. M. M >> really nice dish. >> Thank you. We'll give you an extra bag for your son. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Wow. I appreciate it. >> And then one more thing to knock out. So I have a Patreon account. It's a subscription account. These folks have been with

us since the Very beginning and they're the reason that I get to sit down here with you today. And so one of the things we do is we give them the opportunity to ask every guest a question. So this is from Stephen Casey. What is the percentage you think of compromised of compromised US government actors by honeypotss across all three branches of government? >> Wow. >> We know there's uh Eric Swallwell, right, who was sleeping with the Chinese Spy. >> He's still in there, by the way. >> I mean, I don't know this information, >>

but uh >> Well, percentage that's actually really hard to estimate. How common do you think it is? Do you have any insight on that? >> I know that it's very common actually in the podcast to die for when uh Neil did the whole investigation and all that. Um we have one lady who was who lives in New York right now. So she's um Ukrainian um based I mean Ukrainian born and she was a model scout. So she said in the interview that she was bringing Russian and Ukrainian beauties working for the secret intelligence to America,

especially to Washington and New York to target particular politicians and ministers to get closer to establish relationship maybe to get married. So it's quite common >> than you even think. Maybe I'm not saying that every single Russian or Ukrainian or whatever like Slovakian looking woman is a potential threat and potential spy. No. But men should be aware of this. >> I mean I I I think of it like this. It's pretty simple, right? If you are a a a man or a woman in a position of power, if you hold this the keys to new

technology, if you are a decision maker in government, if you are in Intelligence and know about our government and what we're doing in areas of the world that maybe we shouldn't be in, and all of a sudden young, attractive foreign women or men are all around you, and you're not used to that happening, there's probably something going on. You're not that good-looking. You don't have that good a game. You're just a government employee or or elected official who knows that our Adversaries want. So, get with the program. >> Yes. But Sean, you do understand, you

work in the military before. You understand the psychology of human beings, right? Mhm. >> Show me any man who doesn't want to believe that he's been loved because he's cute. Show me anyone. If I or any woman would come to the guy even like not like best looking and would tell him, "I find you Very cute. I like you. I like your beautiful eyes. Oh, you're so intelligent. You're so amazing." Wouldn't he resist? Wouldn't he say no to me or like to another woman? Well, I mean, look, I get it's hard. I totally understand that.

But I mean, you know, you have to look at the position that you're in, right? And and and if some if something out of the out of the normal starts to happen and you have the keys to new technologies or or you you know What I mean, then like I don't know. I just I would think that you would be able to put it together a little bit better than these guys are. >> Okay. So let me please um share one example from the history. >> Mhm. >> So the scientist the famous scientist the genius

Albert Einstein was targeted by a female Soviet Union spy when after he you know was very close to Openenheimimer and had you know evening Gatherings and dinners together. So this beautiful young female attracted Enstein uh where he was invited to New York for a sculpture exhibition or something. So she met him over there yet she was married to a sculpture artist and then she kind of like relocated herself to Albert and Stein and uh they establish love relationships. Then Albert started to take her to open harm house where she established very good friendship with Open

harm's wife. >> Mhm. >> And where slowly through the wife and through like France and instein the Soviet spy her name I think was Margarita if I'm not mistaken. So she was taking all this information and report this information this data to Soviet government where actually Soviets invented the nuclear bomb during two years instead of four >> just because they stole this data. And Here is a genius very smart man Albert Einstein who actually were trapped right was trapped under this honey trap techniques. >> So I don't know if this guy was trapped like how

about other guys you know so I don't I don't know >> what kind of a timeline are we talking here? Um so when upon years uh Manhattan project when it was Manhattan project so uh it was after um I think like was that time >> I mean I mean um how how long was the relationship between >> well the spy >> I don't really know this information but this information is actually in the history and uh in the in Russian history also like in here you can Google it you can actually check uh facts and

everything but um They actually established relationship they live together like husband and wife. So Albert completely trusted this Margarita. So that's why he was bringing her to all these uh you know family sort of like friends evenings and gatherings. >> Interesting. So, I mean, okay, that's a little bit different of a scenario than what I was than what I was trying to describe is I mean that that is uh that sounds like a well-crafted um operation >> like social engineering. >> Yes. Some of the stuff that I'm talking About is just your regular everyday hookup

at the bar and it's like why don't talk about the secrets after the first and second night. I mean, you know, >> okay, so as a former honey trap agent, I can tell you that men are the most vulnerable during intercourse and if you are quite experienced agent, >> you can ask certain questions during or After the intercourse like straight after the education. I'm sorry for but I don't know another word uh to explain. So when man is in bliss and when he's sort of like in unconscious like condition and when he doesn't really understand

everything clearly >> and if an agent ask questions like um the answer should be yes or no. So it's simple question have you met this guy? Oh by the way have you met that guy? Oh, by the way, do you know is it like this Or like this? >> How many? Like that much or like that much? So just a little like two, three simple questions most likely he would tell you because like just before education or just after this is that you know period of that very vulnerable moment. >> Mhm. >> So here you

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I am But we're going to get into this >> other men, but about like the work. So, you kind of like, oh, you know, my love, you work so hard. you you're so busy. Everything is on your shoulders. I want to help you. Let me do massage for you. How was your day today? >> Blah blah blah. Okay. So, do you do this project by yourself or you work like I work with like David, let's say. Oh, like does he help you? Like, oh, what does he do exactly? No, no, no. Got >> you know

this sort of >> conversation like a female >> nurturing conversation with the man and she wants to support him and just please him and all that. >> That that's what I mean. You know, it's a female kind of like >> energy and female um perspective. >> Mhm. So, >> what what do you think? I mean, since we're on the this top, I mean, >> we're talking about getting secrets and all this other stuff, but what about What do you think about the Epstein stuff? I'm very curious about your thoughts on that. >> Oh my god.

>> The blackmail operation, supposed blackmail operation. What do you think that was? >> Okay. So um my personal opinion on everything I see in the media and in the news when I didn't say it myself and I don't I didn't see the facts and evidences. I cannot give my opinion just based on someone's thoughts or someone's statements. >> I do not trust none of the media or whatever wherever I hear or I listen. I always do my own investigation. So, I haven't been there. I haven't seen it. So, that's why I would I wouldn't say

my own opinion about that. And I don't want to repeat someone's opinion on that because it Could be always, you know, like every single story has two sides like a coin. On one side, it could be a setup. It's always a setup. when a powerful wealthy man trying to get more power or more money and somebody else doesn't want him to do and they like competitive blah blah blah and that's why the competitor would set him up and we see this all the time it calls actually in the spy world it calls compromat compromising materials

compromising Someone in order for him or for this target to lose the power perhaps this was a compromat I don't know I wasn't there if I would be one of these girls I would tell you yes I was one of the victims and that's what happened >> I don't know >> on another hand because there's so many victims and because there's so many evidences yeah we kind of like we can say yes but again you know everything what is presented in media everything What we see in internet like I said like I'm I'm grateful to

be here because now you give me an opportunity to speak out from my own like persona from myself rather than Some journalists write about me calling me like different names or editing or you know writing about me in their own way. >> Mhm. >> So I think like every single person in this world should have his own opinion and should not be under this um Influence of um anyone's thoughts. So, make your own opinion, have your own research, do your own investigation, and make an opinion yourself. >> It's a good way to be. It's a

good way to be. >> All right. You ready to get into the life story? >> Yeah, of course. >> All right. Where'd you grow up? >> Okay. So, I was born in 1984. I was born in Soviet Union. It's u sad at the same Time to say that this country doesn't exist anymore but at the same time I was born in in the country which had the stability where my grandmother would say tomorrow would be the same day as today and it would be amazing because you don't need to worry about like where would you

have money would you be fired or whatever. Everybody would have the same amount of um things in the house like same amount of money coming every month, same salary, everybody would wear The same clothes. So everything would be the same. It's kind of boring but at the same time and it's maybe utopia but at the same time it gives people this um stable kind of like um foundation where they know that everything is similar and tomorrow will be the same day. So it's it's a beauty of it. And in 1991, so I kind of like

probably would say I have this amazing experience to live on the border of two countries when in 1991 You sus fall and peristria began. It's sort of like it was sort of revolution almost like a civil war because that time in 91 you know civilians went to the sort of like the government house the white house and they started to bomb to the white house. It was it was a mess. It was a chaos. Of course people lost the stability. They lost all the hopes. They lost all the beliefs. You know like that ideology that

you were raised with that this is your country. You fought for your country in the second war. They lost over 20 million soldiers in the second war and they they fought for the house for the homeland and everything. And then at one point in one day it just collapsed where I spoke with some American friends and they said that oh Gorbachov is like the best. Americans love Gorbachov whereas like Russians they hate Gorb I mean like they don't maybe hate but they definitely judge Gorbachov because he was the one Who actually signed this uh um

this law and uses are full. So anyway, so I saw this by my eyes where like you know you have the stability and happy kind of like people living same day for the you know during like day life and then another day everything just collapsed and what happened I remember that time I was a little girl and we would be we would stand with my mom my little sister like she was newborn, we would stand under the rain, under the wind, and the The snow for like five, six, sometimes 7 hours in order to get

some food from the store because there were no food. So, you would come to the store, there's no food. You can't buy anything. So, you're basically starving. So, you would need to bring your members of the family to the store to show like, "Okay, I'm like, you know, adult and I have two kids. please give me like three pieces of bread and like three sausages and three axs and like lines were like insane and It was it was like actually um it was happening for quite long time. I I do believe like it was for

like 6 months at least. I don't remember exactly like for how long but it was really bad. Um >> and you were like seven. >> I were like yes seven right? 84 to 91 7 years old. >> Yes. Yes. So it was I mean that was my childhood that's what I remember and it was like wow. So it created this sort of Like lack of food and lack of stability and lack of like >> belief what would happen tomorrow. You know when you're a kid and you are growing with like seeing all that you understand

that everything is so shady and it's like unpredictable and you cannot trust like anything really neither your government right then my father that time he couldn't help my mom because he was constantly at his work where he was not get paid so he Was that time an officer working in the military he went to the military because of his father because um as you mentioned like my grandfather was a hero of the country you know fighting Nazi and I mean it it's a big pride of our family it's a heritage so I was raised with

these beliefs like you know you also need to go and protect your country you also need to be you know you need to be proud of your Roots so my father was preparing me preparing me slowly to this military career which I didn't know at that time. But every day he would teach me, he would come back home, we would have a dinner and he would teach me at least one hour a day about all the psychological techniques which I didn't understand that time like different scenarios in life. So he would like give me like

test. So this is the situation in life. What would you do ABC? So I Would pick up like um an answer and then he would explain me why this would work and why this wouldn't work. So when I was kind of like ready enough then he taught me the extreme driving, the gunshooting and uh of course I had to do physical activities. I actually was um I won like some competitions between like oblast which are states you know like here are states in Russia they have oblasts. So it's like a few cities together. So it's

like similar. Um so I Won some competitions in like gunshooting. Um I was the best gun shooter and you ask me like shall we the gun shooting? I'm like I kind of like miss it but for me this is like PTSD you know. Uh so I try to stay away from guns and all that. So I stand for peace and um so he taught me a lot uh when I was a teenager. So he was preparing me for my future career. Yet um so I I I finished my high school with like best grades like

I was, you Know, I was so nerdish. I was so like this, you know, like this bullied girl. First of all, I was only one Asian-l lookinging girl in uh the whole Russian school with like all these kids, blue eyes, blonde. So, of course, I was bullied, which is normal. Second, I was such a nerd. So, >> nobody would do like homework as normal in high schools. Everybody would be like, you know, going to like dates and all this. I would be the one who would Do my homework and reading books at night, you know,

like dstayfki, chahov, like pushkin. So um students, my peoples like they hated me because I was a nerd. So I always wouldn't know. I always would do my homework and teachers would like okay so nobody knows. Okay, come on you know give us the answer. So of course they hated me and then um at some point I I also felt myself like ugly duckling. So I was not allowed to Go out. I was not allowed to you know have friends. So I would come after school back home and you know be home and prepare my

homework and help my mom with the you know house and all this. So my father was very very strict. So I couldn't say no also like they are coming they are coming from Muslim background. I'm actually not. I baptized eventually but anyway it's another story. So we are coming from Muslim background where a woman doesn't have Really the right to say no. So as a woman you cannot really speak out about your ideas or desires or opinion. >> So you grew up Muslim. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So Kazak Kazak and Tataran they are Muslim.

So they believe in Allah and my grandmother would read Quran. um they didn't really speak um that language just because in Soviet Union uh You had to like sort of like speak Russian everybody like in every school it would be like Russian >> so I kind of like lost my own language and uh my parents didn't speak with me this language and also in Soviet Union you were not really allowed to have your own religion so people who were Christians Orthodox they were not really allowed to square crosses. They were not allowed to go to

churches. I mean that was crazy. Like Imagine one of the biggest amazing church the biggest one uh in Moscow in the center is beautiful. Uh during so communist they actually destroy it and they created a swimming pool instead of the church. Can you believe that? This is like that's the way it was. So they completely tried to demolish and destroy the belief into God uh in in in Russian population. So they were trying to >> why do they do that >> um dictatorship of the Soviet Unions like Stalin dictatorshipins and all that of course because

like this is the only one religion you should believe. >> Mhm. >> Stalin this is your father this is your tar. This is your god everything. >> Mhm. So again, propaganda. >> Well, I mean, what was the population doing when they were >> the population? You mean like in Soviet Union? >> Mhm. >> I don't know. I mean, I was a little girl when I was in when I was raised in in Soviet Union. But my grandmother with whom I was very close. So she would say it was I don't know. But she would say

this was the best time just because they would know what would happen tomorrow. Everybody had the same. Yeah. Okay. So that government people they live like stars or whatever like kings but it's Just like a small percentage where the 99% of population they work they they they would worked they would sorry they would work they would uh raise their kids they would have the same salary they would have the you know stability in life so everybody everything was the same so it's >> gota >> I don't know stability I guess. >> Gotcha. When did so

you're a Christian now? >> So I baptized when I was so straight after the military I decided to come to the gut because I lost belief in everything that moment and you know you need to have your inner support. So I came to the god um at quite like you know big age because I understood I mean like adult age. So because I understood that I want to have this belief in God and I want to like you know I don't even know how to say But like I just like felt like I need it

you know like I felt like this may help me and save me from like doing bad things because I tried to suicide. I tried to drug myself. I mean I was doing like really bad things to my body to myself. It's really uh embarrassing to speak about it, but I I just I just believe. >> Okay, we'll get there. So, at 18, am I correct? At 18, yes. >> Is when it all kind of started for you. >> Well, yeah. I mean, >> I mean I mean actually it started from you early cuz you didn't

realize it, but your dad was >> I did. Yeah. So, I realized it after. >> So, what what happened? I mean, how did you get recruited in to be an a seductive intelligence operative? >> Yeah, it's a it's a whole different So, basically, okay, so um let me start from the beginning. So, >> I turned 18, right? I told my dad, >> I want to work in fashion. >> So, I remember his answer. He said like, what is fashion? You have one skirt, one shoes, one blouse. This is your fashion. This is enough. you're going

to you know this department because I have my friend there who is you know who I already spoke with him he can you know enroll you at uh being an agent that time it was in the department um uh operative investigation So I have actually all the certificate archives documents to show what year I started to work there so he brought me to this department. I met my future commander and um I worked there as an intern and then when they approve you and everything they send you to the academy to study. So because everybody

when they just enter they have to know like at least how to shoot from the gun, right? So you need to go through the education. So there like a special courses when you come you are supposed to study like you know like gun shooting like civil law like admin law like um that time for so everybody would be divided like different departments would have different subjects for example in my department we would need to study of course like martial martial arts so how to arrest a criminal how to read uh the psychological profile of the

criminal you know his tattoos for example like His ink on on the body, what does it mean? Uh what's his um you know weakness like what about him? Like his psychological portrait. So you need to kind of like get into there. Then um of course martial arts like you know jiu and sambar and all that. So for example you would be in the situation where you have to arrest someone. So you need to protect yourself. Um every day we would like shoot from gun of the pistol macarov the gun the macarov gun and we Would

also do um how to call it I'm so sorry you may cut it but I forgot the so it's a subject where you learn how to open the lock >> okay how huh >> breaching >> maybe yeah so I I don't really know how to call it in English well but yeah this sort of like um subject way You actually can you learn about technologies >> for agents. >> Okay. >> So when I came to the academy we were about like over 300 students for like >> 300 students. >> Yes. >> How how old are

is everybody young? Is everybody >> Everybody's young. Yes. Everybody young >> from 18 and like you know 20 25 I think like before like 30ish >> men and women >> men and women of course the percentage Percentage of women would be obviously much less so I would say like 10% would be female the rest male and um they would have a separate dorm like male would be like living in a separate dorm but um what happen. So literally in the first day when we had the first like line when we lined up in front of

our teachers uh I noticed that um the main teacher like the the commander of the like the Main teacher of the school the director let's say he looked at me and he picked up like me and another few girls um and then we were invited to his office and then we were announced that we are chosen for a special program and so we are very privileged. They would never call it sex espionage. They would never call it honey trap. I understood it only after but they said that's a special program which will help you to

target those you know criminals Or people whom you know who will be your task. So you need to study the subjects. You need to learn psychology and then after you will be given tasks. This will give you more benefits because you would have better salary, you would have better like promotion. um you may have like additional vacations and which is was like wow that time you would given um you know that Russians before also they had and especially in Soviet Union they had like Really big problem to travel abroad because of the iron curtain so

you couldn't literally get any visa so now it's actually happening the same story so that time also like it was really hard to travel abroad so you couldn't just go to the embassy and get a visa and travel to America like no um I mean Maybe if you would have a special diplomatic passport or connections or whatever. So when you actually go as this agent they you may be able to fly Abroad for special missions and it's sort of like cool because it sound like in the movie James Bond. Wow. I will go abroad. I'll

have like this special missions and I'll see the world blah blah blah. You know for like 18 years old it sounds like fascinating. >> Mhm. >> Sort of. So when they announced me that I am chosen for this program, I was like, "Okay, cool." You know, I'm I'm happy to study that. And uh we were like Five girls in this special program. So we would go to um our main classes. So 6:00 a.m. would be the first lineup, like you know, the the morning. Then jogging, physical activities, blah blah blah. breakfast 8:00 a.m. you have

to be in the class. So from 8 to 4 5:00 p.m. depends from like you know if you would have like physical activities more or whatever whatever you would be done then us five girls you know we would go to this Special classes for another two hours and then we would catch up with our homework for the next day and then uh and then that's it we would go. So then again also like either it would be a physical activity whatever like jogging or something then dinner and then you go and sleep to the dorm.

So that was our kind of like schedule for the day. >> Mhm. >> So every day for a few hours we would study these subjects such as Psychological techniques. So for example, manipulation techniques, seduction techniques, influence persuasion techniques, um how to read and scan people, how to spot the lie, you know, how to set up a strategy for your target like this social engineering thing, >> like how to do it, how to work in the team, how to estimate your targets weaknesses and desires and needs, how to recruit someone, how to make friends, How to

attract people, How to um make someone to be your informer again through manipulation. How to threaten people your targets particular. So they would want or they have to give you information you need and of course additional martial arts of course additional um sex techniques. So we would study some of the sex techniques in terms of like um The pleasure for men I would say like not particularly your pleasure but you know how to please the man but also which I find really fascinating and that's what I give to my students a lot and I think

this is a foundation and I think this really changed me to who I am right now. So when I entered I was like really ugly duckling. I was shy and completely unconfident. So we actually I didn't understand that before but now I really get it. So we've Started the self-confidence techniques to raise your self-love. So you become so freaking confident to go to any mission that you don't even have any doubt that you may fail. So even now wherever I go like public speaking in the Vatican city like public speaking in United Nations I was

you know I told you the story we were driving here and I had this thought and then I'm like oh come on you know like I always you know I I know that I I I can do it. It's just um it's amazing how they taught us how to program your brain for a success even though it's so hard and you want to give up. And it helped me so much when I went to the war and I went to the really bad dangerous missions and I was thinking that's it. This is right now this

is the end. But just because of this techniques I always had this thought like no I know that I can go through that. I know I can do it. I know I'll do it like this is the belief which I didn't have before and it was like placed and planted into my brain and I believe that this is the foundation of everything. How long is this school? >> Okay. So 6 months this is the first initial um most important foundational classes. M then you go back to your department wherever you were like you know you're

supposed to work then you work like you kind of like do the Practice then going to when you go to when you're getting another rank for example higher rank you're supposed to come back and you would be given more subjects more techniques like you kind of like have to be qualified for bigger job for bigger for high rank you go back again 6 months sometimes you can do it a year um other universities like for example um in Moscow one and in St. Petersburg actually yeah where Vladimir Putin Studied. So their particularies where you actually

go and you study there as a college for like three four years but because I was already enrolled to the uh international law university. So I was doing so sort of like two universities like two educational at the same time. So was studying international law at my university and also was doing this and also after I was working. So yeah. >> Wow. So quite >> a lot of work. I mean a lot of education As well. >> What point did you realize that sex may be involved >> sex? >> Yeah. >> When I was first

firstly raped I was virgin. I came to the department I was raped. So this didn't the going through the course and talking about seduction and pleasuring a man and all this kind of stuff. You didn't realize that it didn't it didn't occur to you that sex Would be involved in in the job description. >> Okay. So um about sex. So as I mentioned my dad was really strict. So I was not allowed to go out when I was living in like you know in with my family till 18 years old. I didn't even kiss any

boy. I didn't even speak with any boy. I was so shy like I thought like I'm so ugly and all that. So I was I don't know it was like ugly duckling. So 18 years old my dad bring brought me to this department. Literally in a few weeks like two weeks my commander colleague calls that time we didn't have cell phones so he calls to my home phone. My dad obviously picks up as he always did and it was about like 8:00 p.m. so it was evening and my colleague said oh we have alarm somebody's

killed something happened in the city so she has to come ASAP to our department because we we need her to work and that time I already was Enrolled as an intern. >> Okay. >> So I had to come. So my dad said like get ready go. So I come to my department and I see my colleague being already drunk, you know, something shady going on. He closed the door. He takes the case and he literally starts to to bit me and rape me. And >> so this is this is two weeks after >> after I

was enrolled. Yes. To this Department. Yeah. >> Yet he knew and he saw my father who was that time high ranking officer bringing me to the commander where commander like approves me as a future agent. He saw that right? So he didn't care about this. He said if you will tell your dad you know like your whole family will be The whole reputation will be Like you'd rather not to tell that like because like they will blame you because this is your fault. You see Like the manipulation. You seduce me. This is your fault. I

didn't do Like like this is your fault. Number two, I was virgin. I told him like I have never done it before. Like I can like it doesn't matter. Three, uh you are going to the military academy anyway. You supposed to um disattach your body from your emotions. This is part of the training. That's what they do. Your body belongs to the state. Your body belongs to the government. you with Your like you know feelings and emotions like just it doesn't exist. The soul doesn't exist. >> Wow. >> Okay. So all these things and then

they literally make you to become sort of like robotic where even now unfortunately but like I cannot do anything about it still now like my body lives completely separate from my emotions. So for example, if I have an intercourse, it doesn't mean that I have Any feelings towards this man. So I still can have an orgasm and all that but uh and it's all good but like I don't have any attachment and I cannot you know uh created because I was trained to remove these feelings and emotions from my body. So my body was just

a tool in a mission. >> Wow. >> It does make sense. >> And you never told your dad? >> I never told my dad because I mean what would I tell him? He brought me there and then what he would blame all his life that he did it to him. I mean like he did it to me. I don't want him to blame himself, you know. I never told him. I think he kind of like understands that there's something there. And um you worked in Navy and you know the statistics that about 20% and this

is what we know 20% annually Um 20% of female and also male are targeted for sexual abuse and they 20% are raped in the military and this is the statistic like you know just open CHP or internet and like it it's clearly there and it's only in US imagine how what's the percentage in Russian like you know this country countries like Russia or uh you know bel Russia or like Ukraine or wherever like countries which don't really where the law doesn't really work that much like in America Like probably it's like you know 50% and

when I came to the academy when I saw that every single female are being sexually abused and basically raped >> all of them >> all of them like They basically used them as um as a meat like so all teachers they were male of course only two were females who actually taught us all the psychological and sex and seduction techniques. So the rest were males. And the thing is in the podcast to die for actually there is a CIA uh former CA agent um he gave an interview. He actually said that you know they they

just sex trafficked their own agents for their own needs. Not just for the government needs but also for their own needs. Like for example this teachers male right? They knew that they have the power over us. So they can easily Just use you for they only >> whatever they want >> for wherever. And obviously like you know I was I was stuck there. I didn't know what to do. I was 18 years old. I was just raped. Then I come to this academy targeted by this uh Cornell the main teacher and I mean we had

like the whole story and all that. So he literally like had me every any every other day and I couldn't do anything About you know like because like he was also manipulating me. He's like oh if you won't do what I say then um you would be kicked out. you would like have a very big problems. You have problem with your dad. You know, you cannot like you would never be able to work anywhere in Russia because I will write the bad report that you like, you know, did whatever like illegal things or something or

something. So, I mean that was cruel and as a woman, as a female in The military, you couldn't say no. So, you're you're being raped throughout the entire duration of the school and so are all the other women? >> Yes. >> Are you guys talking about this with each other? >> We talked about that when we were there and really sadly to say, but some of them they had to participate in orgies. Like I definitely didn't want to do it. I was like first of all First of all these uh male teachers they were over

50 years old. I'm not like saying that like 50 is like whatever but okay when 50 years old man doesn't take care about himself doesn't do gym and like work out and doesn't really and he looks gross and he's like so abusive and telling you like aggressively telling you like you have to do this. You know, when I came to the um to the office first time to my this uh main teacher, the coronal, The first thing he said, do the I'm like thinking, I've never done it before. I have no idea how to do

it. And this was when he told me this was part of the program. So, you have to this is practice. Like, you have to learn now. You know how to do it. Like, so I'll teach you. Was it like part of re was it like really part of the program or was it his own you know just needs for his own pleasure? Who knows? I think it was like second Rather than the first because I want I don't want to believe that but maybe boss. I don't know. >> Wow. But I I do I mean

like you probably have seen or heard similar stories in military in the United States. I watched that documentary The Invisible War and there's so many cases like that. So it it's happening everywhere. It's not just in the military, but it's in any corporation in any um industry where They're like more male rather than females. it's really hard to, you know, work and uh and if you're also like more or less like younger than them and pretty and all that. So sometimes your appearance and your beauty is a curse rather than rather than a blessing. >>

Yes. Because like look they particularly chose those the most pretty the most youngest girls and they were like special parameters For this special program like sex panage we call it right now. But the first thing everybody has to be about like 56 ft tall. Second they would run us through the intellectual like sort of like IQ test. Then um psychologist. So we spoke with the psychologist. We had to be mentally strong and prepared. What if something happens? Like are we strong enough to be in unpredict unpredictable difficult like extreme situations. We were checked by theologist

in order like to see like are we like you know healthy and then if you tick all the boxes then you go to this program. >> What did they tell you that program was? They didn't say anything like they didn't say oh it's a honey shop or whatever they say like it's a special program you will be learning special techniques which you're not allowed to share with anyone everything in this you know walls staying here that's it so Just a few of you a few of you because you're chosen you they don't call you spa

you know swallows or um sparrows or you know like spies they don't call that but they say like this is a special you know subject for you to learn so it will be helpful for your future missions that's it >> wow interesting >> I do believe that to be honest I do believe that every single military academy or Any educational center potential not like but I do believe that they have that sort of programs you know like they just um they scout out these future agents for this sort of mission. So they scout them through

students through students in a good universities or maybe somebody who already established like you know there's so many uh examples uh of the sex from like you know actresses and uh famous singers and famous beautiful women. >> Do you have some examples? I do have some examples which I definitely know. I cannot reveal their names because they're very public and you definitely know them. But they they work with the Russian government and at the same time they are very recognizable women in the public eye. >> How do you know this? >> Because I I've seen

them there. I know. I know. But like I would never, You know, I would never let down. They they cover. I would never do that because like you know it's some people ask me like oh why don't you say no? But like guys I just want to explain um how does it work? It's not like you willingly want to do it. Sometimes you are put into these situations where you know this let's say people government people would tell you if you will not do this task if you will not do this mission then either your

family will Have some problems or your kids or your beloved ones they may be having a car accident or they may go to jail. So you feel like I'd rather sacrifice myself than put on risk my family. So these people which I just mentioned without names, I know they're doing this not willingly. They have to do it because of their family living in Russia. >> Where is your citizenship? >> Great. So That's also like I have to be also very careful with what I'm saying and um it's a big risk for me also to uh

well it's a few things I will explain now. So my citizenship still Russian thank god and thank to America and God bless America. I received my green card. Um, for about 15 years I lived in Europe after last Russian mission. I lived in Europe. I lived in Switzerland, Greece, Italy, France, England in London six Years. So check this out. >> All those places. >> Yes. So check this out. The moment the government, the UK government probably find out about my background. The moment when I was invited to the Buckingham Palace where I met King Charles

and Queen Elizabeth, that time he was prince. Literally in a few months, my lawyer received a letter stating that I have to leave the UK like during two weeks Period of time. So I was literally deported from the UK still having my u residency there. So I couldn't go back to Russia because of so many reasons. The only one visa I had that time was United States. So I come to United States. I speak with many many good lawyers with a lot of lawyers and um they all advise Me the same thing. They tell me

that I should because of United States I should reveal my identity publicly because also that time Ukrainian war starts straight after like co right so it was co then this you know crazy time everything is closed and blocked and you know it's a mess then Ukraine war so I'm in this situation and my lawyer said well you have to reveal your identity just you know not to be deported like it Was in 2010 I believe uh when 10 active agents from Russia were deported including Anna Chapman. So um if you don't want to be deported

if you want to be like you know legal in America it's better for you for your insurance for your protection um to reveal your identity publicly. This is number one. Number two, I also had to cut tails coming from Russia because I mean, I know it sounds like crazy maybe, but I actually one Russian girl was sent to me from Moscow when Ukrainian war started and everything to convince me to go back to Russia and um or if I'm don't want to go trying to convince me to work with them again. Then I have received

a former colleague call just before the Ukrainian war started asking the same thing like not like asking but like kind of like you should Consider you know working with the government with the Russian government and then it was another call uh from more like government sort of person with the same request. So I honestly would tell you this. I want to leave without fear because I'm exhausted to leave for so many years hiding myself, hiding my son, moving from one country To another. I am exhausted like physically, mentally, like morally everything. Like I'm so done.

I don't want to play all these games anymore. I want to do fashion things like I always wanted and I always dream and finally I'm doing this for myself for my son as well. So I don't want to be attached. I don't want to be connected. I don't want to do anything with this you know government stuff anymore. And um I decided to go public to kind of like reveal my identity. Yet Alia Rosa is not my real ID name obviously because of again the security reasons. Um but at least these calls and these requests

from Russian government from Russian government people have stopped since I started to go public. At least I have received my freedom to leave in United States sort of like freely without like you Know being like there and here. I I'm so done with that like and I don't want to do this and um I don't want to be used anymore. I don't want to be manipulated anymore. Even though like I do have fears for my members of the family who who are there and um of course I have fears for my son's future. Yes, I

understand it's a big risk but they say like you choose less evil when it's like too evil. So, I'd rather, you know, Reveal my identity and tell the truth here in America to American people rather than >> work for the Russian government and being again like this. And uh God knows what would happen with me after. And my son like especially like during the Ukrainian war and it's still on and it's super crazy and it's just such a mess. >> Where is your son? >> My son is always with me like Everywhere. He's a he's

a he's a traveler like me. He's always he's in um he's at home. >> Okay. >> I mean, he goes to the school, but he's at home. >> How did they contact you to try to get you to come back? >> All the apps like um WhatsApp. They didn't have my uh American telephone, but I have a very old WhatsApp because I didn't change it. I Kept it. I kept the number. So, what's up? Emails. I changed. >> What do they say? >> Well, the main request is live here, but report us everything you see

and everything you know. Go to Washington, live in Washington or at least New York and try to establish this uh relationship with politicians, ministers, and so on. That's why I honestly stay away from Washington as as further as I can. That's why I kind of like chose to be in LA because Los Angeles is entertainment, Hollywood, you know, it's all like movies, script scripted, fashion especially, it's all blah blah blah, social media influencing and all that. So, I'm trying to stay away as far as I can from politics. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Good thinking. >>

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their website. [Music] All right, Aaliyah, we're back from the break and uh so we're getting ready to Get into what happens once you get in the unit. So we kind of went through your training, your schooling and all that kind of stuff and and um so what is it what is it like when you actually check into the unit as a trained operative? >> Well, >> what is the unit called? >> So the unit the f so I was in two units >> okay >> in Russia. So one unit precisely would Be called uh oper

operative investigation department. I don't know what's the similarity in the US. >> The second one, it's sort of like DEA. >> Okay. >> So, it's a drug enforcement department. >> Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. So, it's the first one I don't know what's the >> probably like the FBI. Sounds like an investigative unit. >> It is investigation, but it was locally in the city or sometimes in the country, but also internationally. For example, when we were working on the cases on um you know with two countries between Afghanistan and Russia. >> Mhm. >> So for example,

this was the international or by that time when I was already working it was Russia separated from all this post Soviet countries. Gota. >> So again it was international but there you know there are so many left like connections with that countries and so much crime was going on between these countries. So and then again don't forget it was pistorical revolution. Then after it was the time when all this criminal world just blossomed at some point because there were no very strong political um >> repercussions >> right so there were so many criminals let's say

um that time who were privatizing the Russian assets for a very small amount of money like let's say 50 bucks for a factory or 50 bucks for a huge piece of land. And eventually after some time when Vladimir Putin became the president, those criminals would legalize the businesses and would become oligarchs, right? >> So some oligarchs would be Quite friendly working with Vladimir Putin. I will not get into this details because you can read the book uh which was written by so many former agents including Litenko and um some of them would disappear forever killed

or just um flee the country and hide themselves. So >> Wow. So, how how so? Sorry, I'm just trying to wrap my head Around this. >> So, you went through the training >> Yeah. >> at the schoolhouse. Now, was the training at the schoolhouse specifically for the the operative investigations uh unit or was it for the DEA one or is this is this kind of a uh they mold you and then whatever agency needs you picks you up? >> Yes. That's correct. Yes. >> So it was basically they teach you all the stick. Okay. So

you you have um ordinary basic instructions and subjects you study like gun shooting, martial arts and you know laws. >> Mhm. >> With this knowledges you enter your department and then you just have your mission and practice it. >> Mhm. However, us we received additionally education for additional Missions which were classified. >> So they were not really open for any agents like some agents would be picked up for particular mission. >> Gotcha. >> Yes. >> Gotcha. So this is just a this is a pipeline into the into the federal government. So, so let me So,

here in the US, for example, you go, if you're going to go to the NSA, you're going to go be trained by the NSA. If you're Going to go CIA, you're going to be trained and go to the CIA schools. If you're going to go to the FBI, you're going to be trained by the FBI and go to the FBI schools. So, in Russia, it's an intelligence school and then whatever agency needs you will pick you up. >> It is >> same as in United States, right? However, this particular programs which you know I don't

know how many in Russia are they but like that's what I studied That would particular for uh your department or perhaps another department would do a particular mission and then they would require some female agents for this missions. So for example, us as the let's say DA agents, we would work together with some other agents from another department. >> Mhm. >> Because they would provide us some security let's say um you know in transportation >> or like they would be like uh SWAT agents but it doesn't call SWAT but I'm saying like those with whom

we would work in actually in going to arrest >> those targets. So it's kind of like mixed >> sort of but we would still so if like my commander would allocate me for another mission I would need to go there to another department. That's actually how I moved from one department to another department because they actually Required me to come there. >> Okay. So you're actually you are attached. Okay. you're you you were on a special unit that's just farmed out to well whoever is needing you at the time. >> So you know like Putin

that time um in 2002 exa exactly the year I was working there established FSAN. So FS Cayenne it was you can also Google it and check it online. So FSKN it was um a special department sort of DA but fighting Against um drug trafficking coming particular from Afghanistan because that time it was like a huge transportation but then a few years later Putin dissolved it. I don't know why but um just like basically restructured and then this FSC can scan was under the FSB which is the uh >> you mean in Russia when a government

agency does its job and doesn't need to do anything else they just dissolve it and it goes away and then the funding Gets reallocated to >> it was existing for 10 years approximately I don't know why dissolve it you see I don't know this kind of things but there was so many restructur since 1991 it was KGB right KGB etc then it was renamed to Ver which is uh external uh investigation right and then FSB which is local so then under FSB there would be different other departments which were particular Doing some other missions or

like some other um jobs or like some other cases But if there is a big case or mission going on, they would allocate particular agents for this mission. Doesn't matter from what department you are. Especially with females, there not so many females agents working in the you know in the departments maybe like 10%. But as a bait, you need a female. They would invite you >> and obviously Yeah. So, I'm getting a little ahead of myself here, but so you if the so your job is not to necessarily sleep with criminals and arrest them. You're

it is a tool that they have taught you how to use. >> I think I was a bait basically. So let me just um kind of like um picture my one of my missions. >> Mhm. >> For example, >> so we I come in the morning to the lineup meeting for the first you know meeting with our commander in the department. So >> this is your first mission? >> No, not first mission like let's say one of the missions. So we come to the to the department in the morning for the lineup meeting, right? They

give you mission and they allocate particular Agents for this mission. So you you you you have this mission. Then you go with your the head of the of this little team of your team. You go and you brainstorm the strategy how you're supposed to infiltrate c like certain group of criminals or whoever like how to spy on them. uh how to get informers, how to send someone of someone there or how to recruit them. Mostly of them of course were men. Obviously using me as a bait to get Closer would be the perfect ideal scenario.

>> Mhm. >> We would go together, let's say with one or two my team member spy on the mission. So we would literally sit down in the car or we would like be like somewhere outside not too close so he wouldn't notice us but we would like in the beginning just see what's his inner circle right do pictures basically like the whole Thing like the whole spying then we would uh gather information about our target and then we would install >> what kind of information >> everything like how many sugar does he put into his

coffee? Like everything from A to B. Like what time does he wake up? Where does he go? What does he whom does he meet? What do they do? What they talk about? Of course, you put all the bugs and everything as much as you can. You try to listen what they're talking About like basically everything. Like >> how long would you do this for? >> Uh depends from the target. So the the last target for example we were establishing the uh social engineering for about 3 months before I actually was introduced to him. >> Before

you made an approach >> before Yes. the first approach it was like 3 months of like intense work. Yes. But we had to create the whole setup for him. So, for example, I mean, it sounds Like a movie plot, but it's kind of cool. What Secret Intelligence can do actually or like anyone can do. H Do you remember the movie? Have you seen the movie The Game with um Michael Douglas? >> No, >> it's an old movie. Another movie also is closes so it's easy to explain. Uh, focus with Margaret Robby and Will Smith. >>

What's that called? >> Focus. >> I don't think I've seen that. >> Okay. So, I mean, if your guys like your audience know this movie, they will like understand. Oh, they can go and watch this movie. So, basically, how does it work? So, my target, let's say, let's go to Vladimir. Vladimir target. So what we needed to you know find out about him first of all what are his weaknesses? What his needs? What his desires apart From like being the leader of the criminal group having power, money and blah blah blah. What is his personality

about? What what is he seeking for? What like what is his goal? You know like what's his psychological portrait? >> Mhm. So we would go back to his childhood when he was a teenager. We find out that he was in love. He had a relationship with his um uh sweetheart um a girl from Usbekistan. We just >> How are How are you finding this information out? >> Easy. >> Social media. >> Just go. No, no, no. That time social media didn't really exist. Um it was 2004. So um We hardly had um smart No, we

didn't have smartphones. I remember I had a Motorola, you know, like that uh little uh telephone. So, how you basic it's actually really easy. You just Basically find out what school did he study >> and then you just pretend that you one of the relatives like trying to find him or whatever. You just like get information from this oldish ladies working there. let's say former teachers and just like get information. It's it's quite easy if you go and ask people about someone. I still do that when I need to find out information about someone. I

just go and speak with People. What do you think about this person? Do you know him? How do you know him? Like did you >> would it have bothered you if any of those people reached out to the target and said, "Hey, this girl Aaliyah, she's running around her. She >> Well, first of all, you don't say your name. Mhm. >> Uh second, it wouldn't be me. If I would like if I was the main bait, if I was the main, you know, face in this Mission, it would it wouldn't be me. It actually was

my colleague who like was young guy. Oh, I lost my army friend. >> I don't live here. I just want to find out where is he? What does where does he live? Like what's happening with him? We like we lost each other for so many years. Like I you know, I want to see him. like we've been through like uh you know the whole like army time blah blah blah you know and you bring like some chocolates or some cake to this old Teacher from the school of course she would tell you everything let's drink

tea let's speak about like that time blah blah blah so you find out that this um target Vladimir had relationship with his sweetheart that girl from umbakistan apparently but she didn't wait for him because as you know in Russia it's compulsory every male have to go to the army for 2 years from 18 years old so he went to the army but she didn't wait for him she got married so when he Came back she already married to another guy so he was sort of like heartbroken so he sort of gave up on this dream

to have a loving wife and potentially family with her, you know, and he kind of like became like this rough sort of like aggressive guy who would just use women for sex and just be very um not like um you know like sort of like alpha male but just having this women for a pleasure. Nothing serious, No attachment, no no emotional attachment. >> Mhm. because he was like you know hurt before but somewhere deep inside every human beings wants to believe that there is a possibility in mutual love that every human being wants to be

loved not because of something but just like literally to be loved by who he is. So what we did when we gathered all the information Very slowly, very very softly, wherever this target was, walking out from the gym, going into the restaurant or like walking in the street or whatever, we would place a few separate couples, one couple, young, nice looking guy, sort of looking like Vladimir, tall, you know, it's all Russians more or less. has like you know tall, blue eyes, good-looking like you know wearing military uniform same as let's say Vladimir would many

Years ago when he was in the army together holding hand with the girl more or less looking like his sweetheart from the past. So they would be just like you know walking around kissing each other da da da even though Vladimir wouldn't look precisely at this couple but peripheral vision his backside vision would register that. So your brain register everything what's going on around you even though you don't notice but your brain does. So this is very Subtle um installation and manipulation and basically when you plant something into someone's head then another day another story

another place again another couple the guy another guy would wear the military uniform with another girl but same sort of looking like his sweetheart she would be pregnant so they would hold hands kissing each other blah blah blah like you know like love is in the there. Then again another day, another setup, another place, there Would be similar guy but another one wearing the uniform with another girl but looking like his first sweetheart. They would carry um they would have like a courage with the little baby with the newborn baby and again same story like

love is in the air they kiss each other holding hands and like you know happy family again Vladimir wouldn't look at them like oh like whatever but he still his brain would register that And when the time was right when my colleague that time who was already on the power. So he pretended to be one of the drug dealers. So he would basically get the drugs from the Vladimir's criminal gang, distribute it, sort of distribute it, bring the money, right? And then he would get to know Vladimir. He would establish trust with him and he

would slowly introduce him to sort of like this easygoing girls in the club. not Prostitutes particular, but kind of like, oh, you know, she's a student, she's lonely, she's like, you know, this and this and like, you know, you're such a powerful guy, maybe like you can hang out with her, like this sort of thing, you know, like love girls. >> So, he would introduce him to some girls, but less good-looking, >> you know, because we would know more or less his style, like Vladimir's taste. And by that time I already had an a sort

Of like image of his sweetheart like style. >> Yes. Like what what did she wear before? So she was wearing particular like um like white socks and short skirts and like braids and all that. So when I would meet him I would do exactly the same look appearance. So when my colleague introduced me to Vladimir, it was already like in his brain would be like what if she looks exactly like that you know girl. What if there is a possibility I may be loved by her really and she would stay loyal to me? What if

I may have a chance with her and have a family with her? What if instead of just like hi my name is so let's go to the room you know everything has to be very subtle like a little game and you don't even understand that you are in the game but you still yeah it's it's it's a beautiful setup it takes time but anyone can be Can be influenced >> Mhm. Mhm. Can we talk about your first mission? >> Yes. >> Do you remember it? >> Yes. >> What was it? Um so it was one

of the kind of like foreign but not too so it's basically post Soviet country government person uh who had some information And so the first mission were actually so I was sharing this in the podcast so I had to place an envelope without him knowing who exactly placed it. He may would have some ideas or doubts or whatever, but he that time should know that it was particularly me placing the envelope. So, I literally had to pretend that I was a prostitute in the bar in the hotel where he was staying that time and I

had to seduce him, get into the room and >> How did you seduce him? >> How? >> Mhm. Should I recreate the whole scene? >> Mhm. >> Oh god. Um, >> what was in the envelope? >> I could not open. And Okay. So, it was uh filled, right? It was um how do you call it in English? Like filled. >> Yeah. Filled. Sealed. >> Sealed. Yes. Something like that. So, The envelope was sealed. I couldn't open it. And yet if I would open it and know it, I wouldn't be able to share it, you know,

just for my my own like security for my life. So um so I had to give him the envelope. The only one way how I could place it was in the private place. So obviously it has to be in his room where nobody would distract him or wherever. So I couldn't be I wouldn't be able to do it let's say in the bar or wherever you know because like again Many people you know many eyes and all this. So how did I seduce him? Very simple >> cuz he had he had never seen you before.

>> And so you're showing up undercover with the cover of a pro is as a prostitute. >> Okay. >> How many women are in the bar? >> Not so many. Um, you do, we all do understand when man comes to the bar with friends or alone to have a drink, Most likely he's open for a conversation with a beautiful female. >> Mhm. >> Right. Otherwise, if you don't want to, you wouldn't come, right? If you're tired or whatever, you go sleep to your room. So, you obviously want some adventures. Two, when the mission is like

that, when you don't need to establish trust, when you don't need to establish love, Uh, long-term relationship, one night stand, it's very easy to organize from a woman perspective. Show me any man who would say no to one night stand. Any, nobody would say no. I mean, unless it's a a very ugly person, but we're talking about, >> you know, spies, agents, so they supposed to take care about themsel and look presentable. So, Number three, he was there for a few days. I already knew I was given information that he was um recently married and

recently had a newborn obviously a man who just have a little baby at home. It's a big work. You know how it is. We like those who have kids understand. So the wife is busy with the kid. you know, the little kid is crying. You know, it's not the same like it was before. So, for him, it Was easier to just like have some sort of like adventures and relax time for himself because he's on a business meeting. But at the same time, why not to have like some romantic emotions just for one night? >>

Who would know? No one, right? So that's why it's an easy target. >> What about the other women at the bar >> that time? >> How do you know that you're going to be The one that walks out of that bar with? >> So yeah, so first of all, there were not so many I think like Well, as much as I remember, there were a couple women. Uh second, I was the most beautiful. I was the first of all, I was that time I was already skilled. Second, obviously at that time I was the youngest

one. >> Mhm. >> And third, I was uh wearing the most revealing clothes I could possibly wear. >> Mhm. >> So, >> so how did you approach him? >> Very easy. Um about the drink, it's like one of the common thing you actually can approach any man. If you want to meet someone, you start with the from the drink. What are you drinking? Like what would you recommend to drink here? Like how often do you come here? Like, do you Like this bar? There's so many questions you can ask. So many. And you can from

one, oh, you're not here. Like, oh, it's your first time here. Oh, like, aren't you from here? Like, where are you traveling from? Like, where do you live? Blah blah blah. And then you go on and like you start the whole conversation. And then it's easy. Haha. He he like, yeah, why don't we go? Like, and then after a couple drinks, it's easy to say yes to a pretty girl and like, and then You always can find an excuse. Oh, I really want to go to the toilet, but like, you know, like I need to

do it in private. Can I go to your room? Oh, I need to change something. Or like, oh, you can spill something on yourself and say like, "Oh my god, my dress is dirty. Can I please can you can I please like go and wash my dress in your room?" Or there's so many >> Mhm. >> things you can get into the room of the Man if you really need. >> So, you you get him in the room. >> Yes. >> When do you find the time? >> Okay. So, the envelope when he was in

the toilet. When he was uh in the shower. >> Mhm. >> That's it. So the uh suitcase that time I mean now probably it would be much harder but that time suitcases were not with um Um you know like special lockers or whatever. So it's quite it was quite easy to open it >> place it was just like um little clickers click open put the envelope you know through all these papers and then close it and that's it. Voila. You didn't do anything. Did you have did you sleep with him >> with him? Actually, I

didn't. >> You didn't? >> No, I didn't because I It was my first mission. I was scared and I didn't want to I just I don't know. Like it's just like I wasn't ready. Okay. I wasn't ready and I just uh and he was sort of like gross to me. Um I didn't want to. He was overweight as well. just like so I sort of like manipulated him on his family. So he physically couldn't get hard, sorry to say. He he maybe wanted to but he couldn't because I constantly was Talking about his wife and

his kid particular because his kid was a newborn uh girl baby baby girl and of course he loves her of course like it's his first experience and when you mix together um kids feeling together with the sexual desire and all that the sexual desire would be kind of like you know won't work that much if you wouldn't talk about kids you It's sort of like bringing kid into the sexual conversation. So, we had a really nice Conversation though. He was really nice guy. You know, he even gave me some money, some cash. So, I made

a profit. >> It's generally how it works with prostitution. So, I'm told. >> But at least I didn't, you know, at least I didn't compromise my cover. So maybe when he find out this envelope, he wouldn't even think about me. I don't know. So um we had a really nice conversation though and as much as I remember he was really nice and kind guy and we were constantly talking about his um family and then in the end he said actually we we didn't have a lot of time which was good. we only had like about

maybe like 40 minutes or an hour because he had to like wake up for like meeting or whatever early and he told me like I don't have a a lot of time so I was like pushing into conversation and then he Said thank you so much for this conversation it was so important you know like I I wanted to speak out with someone but I I can't right because I I couldn't tell the things to my wife or like you know to anyone so it was so nice to speak with you because I was a

random person and he would share with me all his thoughts. See also vulnerability. >> What were you targeting him for? >> For giving this envelope. That's it. That was only my task. >> Dude, you don't know what he what was he a criminal? Was he a >> No, no, he wasn't a criminal. It was So, I was in the academy at that time. It was my first task from my teacher. I don't know. So, I don't know exactly why she sent me there. I would con I would think she sent me there to make me

fail because that time she had relationship with the coronal and it was a love triangle sort of. It Was never love for me. But the coronal when he sexually raped me and the first one who said like when I entered his office he said to me do a He was the one who actually over time fall fall in love and protected me from me having sex with the rest of teachers and actually with the rest of the whoever like colleagues or whatever. So he was my shield that time where I used him to protect me.

But then things went Wrong when he approached me with um the engagement ring. >> This is while you were in school or after school? >> This is already after. >> This is after school. So the relationship with him continued. >> So the relationship went on. Yes. And um so basically I share all the story to die for but like I'm just trying to make it short for your audience to Understand. So, >> we don't need to make it short. >> Oh, really? I mean, okay. Okay. So, but I'll try to make it short. I mean,

it's 17 episodes. Like, I was talking for 20 hours. I don't think we have 20 hours here. Okay. So, so when he took advantage from me first, I decided that I'd rather use him as my shield because I didn't want to be used by other men in the academy because I've Seen and I've heard so many stories of my classmates. So, I said like, "No way I'm doing that." So I was like, okay, because he has the highest rank, because he has the highest respect and he is the boss sort of, I decided that I

will play along and I will learn all the seduction techniques and use the seduction techniques on him in order for him to sort of like fall in love, be more interested, but also protect me because I knew that he >> he wants you you wanted him to want you all to himself so that you didn't have to >> Correct. So he wouldn't want to share me my body with anyone else. So I decided to play you know this card. >> Mhm. >> And it did work because he also had other sexual relationship with other CL

like in other students and also with this female teacher who sent me to this first mission. And um after some time he established this trust because he um he told me he loved me and he decided to get divorce and marry me where it was not my plan. My plan was to have this cover of his name as much as I could in order not to be used by anyone else or not to be sent to a really bad missions because what happened when I said no to his marriage. I literally didn't say no. But

He understood that I wasn't really happy about that because like first of all obviously I didn't love him. Second, he was my um the first like you know abuser and manipulator and three he was like 30 years older married guy that time. So like what the heck right? Yeah. Okay. I had to play along because I didn't have any other choice but going like this into serious relationship imagine if I would be stuck with him for all these Years. I mean it would be terrible. So he understood I my answer was negative. I didn't really

say like no. What he does what he did he sends me to another department um to his sort of friend just like to say before he actually tried to pass me to his friend in order to have a revenge. So that man the the my future commander actually was the one who was very corrupted and knowing all this situation with Vladimr, he still did it. He sent me over there knowing that eventually he would give up my name because he actually was already working with Vladimir's colleague and army friend who was the one who was

bringing he had all connections because of the Afghanistan um war and all that that he was fighting there before. So he had all the connections. He was the one who would bring all the herine to Russia Through the Vladimir's gang and then distribute it to Russia and Europe. So that commander actually wanted to rid of Vladimir because Vladimir eventually wanted to be he wanted to legalize himself. He wanted to become a businessman. He wanted to get rid of the drug business because he had money enough. He had power enough. So he wanted to do more

like legalized business and become sort of like oligarch. >> Mhm. >> Whereas my that commander he still wanted some black cash some corruption like you know bribery money not through Vladimir because he doesn't want it. So he decided to remove or like get rid of or terminate or whatever Vladimir in order to place this guy the his protege who was bringing uh drugs from Afghanistan to his position and become and make him a new drug lord the the leader of the criminal gang. So in Any way it was a setup for me if you look

like through like my eyes like onto my story my commander didn't really care about that like I would be killed I wouldn't be killed I would survive or something may happen with me it doesn't matter because it still was a setup and it was a successful setup because eventually when Vladimir find out that I was a mole and all that yes he saved me yes he sacrificed his life but eventually The commander won. He placed this guy um into Vladimir's uh position and they were continue going on. Eventually after certain years I find out in

the news that uh this commander got caught and he went to jail. So eventually the justice thank god um >> caught up with him. >> Yes, eventually. But it took years. How long was a Vladimir a target of yours? >> About 8 months. >> Eight months. >> Of the relationship. Yeah. >> Is this who you fell in love with? >> You see press, >> they all say I fell in love with you. >> I honestly like Sean like I even doubt I can actually I have ever been in love to be honest. Like I I

don't know if I can actually experience this feeling to a man. Unfortunately, I don't think I can because like I'm looking at myself like over these years. I'm like, you know, this one was target. This one was Target. I had to do this. I had to do this. Like, have I ever choose any man just for myself? You know, >> there's always an ulterior motive. Well, now when I'm out of I mean like I'm in America right now. Yes. So I'm out of all this missions and whatever. I'm by myself. >> Mhm. >> All these

years. I don't know what is It. Maybe it's uh my problem with trust. Maybe I have a trust issues. Maybe because I find sorry but I find men when I meet them quite boring. I I mean like they're really nice men and there's so many amazing men and I just don't know. it just it doesn't work for me or maybe I haven't met the right man who would be who would understand my vision and the way I think and what I understand because more or less especially in America and that's Why I do understand why

all this kind and quite naive tech CEO and executive in Silicon Valley are so easily targeted by female spies. eyes because they are just very sweet and very nice and they are they are really naive and that's true but but when you're naive at the same time you kind of like for me it's not the challenge it's not um I want like um brain stimulation you know apart from just like physical Activities you want to speak with the person about something right and when I don't have to speak about or like share my vision or

like my thoughts like I don't mind it interesting. And then you know like um the poet said uh Amar uh Hayam said it's better to be by yourself rather than with anyone else. So I decided for now to just focus on my work and do my best and then we'll see. >> My days don't slow down between work, the gym, and time with the kids. I need Eyewear that can keep up with everything I've got going on. And that's why I trust Roka. I've tried plenty of shades before, but these stand out. They're built for

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have to pretend so that's what happening when female pretending that she has an orgasm obviously men if he's not that stupid or dumb he can feel it and he can see that he may not say or whatever but over time That would be a problem between the couple right so what we've been taught I hope some female audience understand me but female orgasm is a female responsibility. No man know your body or what you really like. You have to know your body yourself. You have to know what do you like? What's your erogynous like zones?

What gives you pleasure? Where are you like this erogenous like sensual spots and everything. So, and then when you Study your body, you know what do you like? You show it to your partner and you tell him, I like this, I like that, let's try this, let's try that. So together, you have this amazing journey to experience, you know, female pleasure and hence for male pleasure because it's the highest pleasure for a man to give an organs to a woman. Am I right? >> Mhm. So uh in our program obviously when we came you were

I was virgin I didn't have any like understanding what is sex. So we've studied actually I give you one crazy technique but please don't judge me. So we've studied this um one of the effective technique for self-confidence esteem to believe in yourself and look at yourself as you are the most beautiful for yourself of course like you're the most beautiful you're the goddess you believe in yourself you are the best and Accept your body because you know we're all human beings we don't like this, we don't like that or like here we have over it,

here we have cellulite or whatever. This is normal but we need to program our brain only on positive beautiful features of our bodies and face. So what do we do as a females maybe it can work for men too I don't know. So you need to stand in front of the big mirror so you can see yourself fully. Ideally you would need to you Know make yourself comfortable. So maybe play some nice music, put like scented um candle, maybe you should dance or whatever, maybe have a a bath, you know, like just please yourself in

terms of like make yourself comfortable. So nobody also should disturb you and distract you. Then depends you can use sex toys, you can use your fingers, whatever is comfortable. You start to please Yourself and the moment you bring yourself to this peak of the orgasm, you need to anchor your brain. So basically program your brain. What do you do? You look into your mirror and that's very important. Like you're naked or you're not naked, doesn't matter. So you basically experience the highest peak of the orgasm, right? That moment. So that moment is the most effective.

You should first of all anchor yourself On the word. Choose one word, maybe two, but something short. For example, I'm the queen, I'm the best, or like you can say like you're the best, whatever. Or you can say even mango, whatever. Like, choose your word and say it out loud so your brain remembers that. Then if you wanted to make it more effective um touch your like find a spot on your body and touch it. So it could be anything. For example, it could be like a little finger on your right hand. It could be

like you know shoulder neck like this or maybe like here. Whatever whatever you choose find a physical anchor on your body. So this is another anchor. Plus, if you want a particular man and you want to seduce him and you know exactly that this is your let's say target, uh ideally you should place his photo on that mirror on the wall wherever like so You can see him and when you experience an orgasm you look at this image and better to say his word I mean his name this word. So you kind of like create

this bridge between this image and your brain. So what will happen when you will see next time this target your brain will automatically release ender hormones and um pherommones. Pherommones is the you know the scent which everybody can create. Plus of course you can use a Special perfume which actually like KGB used to have this special indigrants in the perfume which contains like some like grass and all that which actually attracts attention. So your brain instantly creates this impulses in your body. So your cheeks are blushing, your eyes are sparking. So you're kind of like

getting into the mood of pre- orgasmic mood. >> So your target, this guy obviously he sees that, he noticed that. I mean, isn't it amazing? You see like a woman who is like looking at you like with this I want you on right now here, you know. So but this is like for seducing uh a mission uh I mean the target. So, but when you do it for yourself, anchoring yourself and you do it a few times, the moment you feel anxiety, the moment you feel shy or the moment you feel like uncertain or like

in doubts or you're stressed, you touch yourself Into this anchor where you placed on your body and you tell yourself the same anchor word. I'm the best. Again, same story. The brain will create this feromone impulses, this uh enderon hormones, the happiness hormones, this state of confidence and the state of bliss that you are the best and you walk into the room with this you know random people or you walk wherever you go like be pitching for the new business or wherever or like for a date and you have Already this posture, you have already

this presence. you have this vibrations, this aura and this energy. Try it. It doesn't work to me. Ah, so yes. So about orgasms uh the sex. Yes. So uh with this technique uh since I learned this technique um every single time and every single my ex um sex partners I had intercourse with I have experienced orgasms. So it's not really about the man. Dear ladies, it's about your own body and awareness of Your own body and um knowing how to give yourself pleasure. It's not about even the size or like even techniques like the the

movement of the of the man of your partner. No, it's all about your body. If you're comfortable with your body, if you know your body, you will adapt yourself um towards these movements like your you know the angle of your body, the angle of of your hips or maybe positions. Everybody's body is different and Unique. But all of us we have our like own uh sensible spots in the body. So we can adjust our body towards our partner's body and it will be much easier rather than blame your partner and tell like you are bad

in sex. >> Interesting. So you're you're attracted to men and you can receive pleasure from men but you have mentally you have no emotional attachment to them. >> Mentally I'm not attracted. Oh my god. Uh yeah, I think so. No, I don't get me wrong, I really want to fall in love. I want to experience that. >> You wait, you don't find men attractive? >> I don't. So, I find them attractive physically. >> Mhm. >> But when I start to speak with them, I'm bored if it does make sense. I'm sorry. Does it make sense?

like um I've seen so Much and I've been through so much that sometimes when I hear them I'm like oh my god it's like uh speaking with my son like teenagers sort of thing you know and I try like 60 years old and I try even 70 years old same story it's not about the age believe me it's about experience it's really about experience funny enough um just recently I was at the conference and I met I cannot say his name obviously because um he has a quite High position but he's the one who is

investigating espionage. So obviously we like have a lot of things to discuss and funny enough I I I caught myself on that I am mentally stimulated by man you know finally so I find him attractive because of his brain. >> Mhm. where I probably wouldn't find him attractive with his physical appearance. But in my case, again, as a former agent trained in this field, it doesn't matter how the man looks like. Like to me Particularly, like I don't really care what's his physical appearance and what's the size of his whatever. Like seriously. So it's all

about like um now at this point I'm all about like mental stimulation. >> Does make sense? >> Makes perfect sense. Makes perfect sense. So, let's go back to Vladimir. >> So, we kind of went through how you targeted him, I believe. And and so, and Then we talked about your first mission where you you seduced a man. It's a one night stand and you're out. >> How are you how are you m >> I have a lot of questions. How are you? Have you ever Have you ever worked multiple targets at the same time? >>

Well, if it's >> Have you ever had two missions or worked two different assets at the same time? >> No. >> It's always been one at a time. >> I mean, I don't even understand how like if you are double agent, maybe you can do >> Well, a double agent would be, you know, a Russian working for the Russians and also for >> and at the same time giving the information to like CIA maybe. Yeah. >> Yeah. So what ba basically what I'm saying is if you if you have two operations going on at the

same time Maybe you maybe you're targeting Vladimir who is a drug dealer >> and then and then you have I don't know Benjamin over here and he's a sex trafficker. Are you ever working two different >> Do you see what I'm saying? Are you ever are you ever simultaneously >> that would be a great plot for the movie. We need to write a book about it. So no, >> no. >> Okay. >> No. >> So it's single single >> actually that would be really hard to do. I mean like you would have to have a

lot of like knowledgeable people around you like your the part you know your team members and um that would be really hard in the end with Vladimir mission when my colleague was killed. >> Hold on. We didn't How was he I don't Even know any of this. >> Sorry. >> So with Vladimir >> Mhm. >> How How long were you How long was he a target? >> So for eight months? >> Eight months you said? >> Yes. >> And how long >> relationship? >> Okay. >> Like proper loving dating relationship. >> Okay. So what is

what is what is daily life like? Are you 100% I mean is he cuz there's no on and off time if you're a true operative you're with them all the time >> right >> correct is that how it works over there >> yes but I pretended that I studied in the university so when I would sort of go to my lessons >> I would meet with one of my uh team member and pass him the whole information so the next day or whatever it is they would send this sort of SWAT team and arrest you

know criminals distributing you know herin. >> So you're able to >> I was >> pass on intelligence damn near every single day. >> Not every single day like they they they were not selling like big quantity of Herine every single day but like once a week once in two weeks there would be some activities going on. So I would hear the information from Vladimir because yes I would sleep with him. I would eat with him. I would even cook for him and for his brothers. That's the way they call each other like you know criminals

colleagues. They would call each other brothers. >> Mhm. >> So I would cook for brothers basically. Get like listen you know who is saying what getting into this events like you know they would go to clubs almost every day. So just hanging out with them like picking up everything like also establishing relationship with their girlfriends. We all had like you know females like girlfriends or like somebody they spend time so also like hanging out with them finding out like oh where was um Alex Yesterday like I didn't see him in the club. Oh he was

at this like oh I don't know but like I heard he was speaking on the phone about like he went there and here they were like doing something and then like this happened. So these kind of things you know. >> So eight eight months. >> So how did he get killed? >> Oh >> and this so this was >> that's a long story. Yeah. >> This is heroin coming out of Afghanistan. Is there any is there any human trafficking? >> Yes. But particular Vladimir was not I mean his gang was involved into this business because

of course you know that drug and human trafficking are very connected. Uh but Vladimir in particular he was not um so as I said he wanted to legalize himself. So he was not the one who was giving the um decisions about human Trafficking. Yet when I told him when I sort of like confront him a little bit about that, I'm like, "Have you like seen this? Do you know this?" Or like um you know, do you know how many like girls were kidnapped and all this? He I don't know, maybe he lied to me or

whatever. But as much as I could read him that time, he didn't know. So I suppose because it's a criminal gang of course there a lot of members and every single Team of the gang would bring money for upshock you know upshock it's like um money for uh it's got kind of like donations from each member or wherever like so for example you do the criminal activity you get money so you give 10% to each let's say member and then you have money allocated for the sort of bank. So it's bank of the criminal gang

it calls up. So every single criminal whatever team when they would do some Activities they would bring money to upshock to the bank and sometimes they probably wouldn't tell where this money come from from selling drugs, guns, humans but it's still the same because again who is covering them the whole activity the government. Wow. Did you were you ever in a situation where you thought you were compromised? >> Yes, in the end. In the end where I Understood that I was just a bait that my commander used me just to get rid of Vladimir in

any way. Like it didn't really matter how he would rid of him like this way and another way. It doesn't matter. I mean it didn't matter to him. But he was the one who actually gave up my name to criminal brothers to criminal group and Vladimir that time he didn't know. So he found out this from his criminal brother when they called like when he Called me I didn't pick up the phone like I told you like it's um you know today it remind me a little bit this PTSD so the criminal gang were giving

this information that I'm the mall from my own commander from that commander who wanted to exchange Vladimir to his protege as Always the driver, this sort of security driver guy of Vladimr would Wait for me downstairs to pick me up for a dinner. That was our normal routine. So we'd go home, change, do my homework from the university and then coming downstairs for a dinner to have like dinner with Vladman, then go and sleep with him in his house. As always, I come downstairs, but instead of only one driver, they're like car full of guys

who called me sister and they put the back into my hat. They, You know, beat me like in the car. Then we come to the forest. before that when I told you like they took my bag with the you know my bag with Motorola so I couldn't receive any call I mean like I I couldn't pick up the phone when Vladimir was calling and everything so the time they brought me to the forest this um commander protoger was the one who Orchestrated the whole thing showing to criminals look she is the mall Vlad Vladimir suck

because he fell in love into the mall. He cannot be the leader because he's stupid because he was trapped by this And I will show you how we should do revenge on these moles on these rats. They would call this agents who would be undercover rats. Here in in English they call it mole but in Russia they call it rats. So she is a rat. And I will show you in front of you guys how we should do a revenge. So first of all he raped me in front of everybody on this on the land

on the soil. >> Good. >> And then that was not the worst. So they when they were beating me up. So then I had to do some >> how many of them >> born about 10 people because it was like two cars. I was in one car there was another Car. They bit the out of me that I had to restore my bone over here. I still have a scar. That's why I'm kind of like covering it and all that. Um, Vladimir that time was expecting me for a dinner as always. They didn't tell him

yet. So, he was calling me and then I didn't pick up the phone. So, he started to call to the driver. Then this guy who just raped me told him That, "Oh, she is a rat. She is a mall. So we are, you know, we're killing her right now." Like literally, we are in our spot, which is a forest. Who knows where? Then you they what they do? They basically dig in the hole, put in the hole and like fito and then nobody will ever find you. So Vladimir gave him order to bring me to

him because and they didn't want to. But Vladimir said like I will finish her. Let me as a leader let me kill her Because this is my responsibility. I need to do it eventually. They were like okay. So he wants to finish her. All right let's do it. So the time they brought me to Vladimir to his house I was all bleeding. I was all up and um sorry. So so so u so difficult to remember this thing. I'm so sorry. >> Are you okay? >> Yes. It's just um getting back there. It's really hard

like every single So I try not to Sorry. I apologize. >> It's okay. >> Uh so anyway, um Vladimir listened to whole my story. I think he um maybe I want to kind of like romanticize him or whatever, but I think that time I I think that he understood where I'm coming from that everything I was doing I wasn't doing this willingly or because I wanted to because I had to. So I told him the whole story with the coral and how I entered the the military academy and everything and how I ended up there.

So he gave me some also information he knew about his uh friend the army friend and then it's sort of like we had like all these puzzles we put it together like all these you know little details we put it into one big picture where we boss that time I didn't know but we both Understood that my commander just wanted to get rid of Vladimir in order to take to put this his protege his like Vladimir's friend to just like get more money. So Vladimir created this plan which I followed. So basically he that night

so he didn't kill me obviously he knew I think that he would be killed But I think he and I told him like you're risking your life if you're staying here why don't you go with me because he gave me telephone numbers with all the foreign friends in Turkey and Greece so that's actually how it like you know these contacts this people his former friends helped me to move and actually like relocate myself there. I asked him why don't you go with me? I don't know was it love from my side? I Don't know but

I asked him why don't you want to go with me? He said that he cannot leave everything he created. All these people who relied on him, all these people he have been trained and raised. You know, he would take all this, you know, under privilege, underage kids, build gyms like work out places where these homeless kids could come and have food and roof under they had because as I said after like this revolution after 1991 there were so many kids like homeless kids and they didn't have family because parents either like would you know become

druggies or alcoholic or die or whatever would happen all these kids were like on the streets. So these kids were sort of adopted by Vladimir and he created all these uh gyms facilities for them where they can actually leave and after some time maybe it was his purpose also to raise an army for himself for The future activities of his because after when you know when they would grow up till late 18 sort of like 16 they would participate in into his gang. Who knows? But at least he didn't let them to die. I don't

know. So he said, I cannot leave them like this. I have to do something. I have to find another leader in order to like, you know, >> take care about this business, take care about them. And of course, I think he wanted to revenge with this corrupted >> commander of mine. So that night he placed me into the car with the driver whom he know, but he wasn't the criminal. he was his friend from the childhood from like the school or whatever he drove me to another city to a safe house and then um literally

after 2 months Vladimir was killed by his own I mean they don't say who and how and all this just shot it's actually an article in internet so People can uh look online and and search and see it so He he he been shot and um that's the end of the story. I mean his story. >> Were you sad? You know what? I lost that time when I so that night when I realized that my commander set me up because of whatever money because of the money in power because of the revenge because of many

things because I also said to him no when he wanted to me you know it Was like male ego revenge money corruption and all this together. When I realized that I lost, you know, like hope and belief in any um kind of like romanticized feeling of the patriotism that I sacrifice myself for the country, for people to save them and then like my job myself been used for some someone's purposes for like just gaining money or whatever And I'm just like a little tool which is not that important and you just like can you know

through like people like that because like as I said like one of my uh colleague was killed during the separation and like nobody would care. I I lost I think I lost any belief or hope. I don't know. I just lost it. >> Believe or hope in men, believer hope in humanity. >> I didn't lose the the belief in in in human beings. Of course, there's so many Amazing people I met during like these years. As I said, like uh I don't have any negativity towards men. Of course not. But I was raised in in

a very with very patriotic feelings like you know your grandfather is a hero, your father has all these medals like your father has such a name. You know, it's such a it's amazing Feeling when you go and sometimes it's difficult to dangerous missions, but you feel like your job is so important. Even though it's hidden for public, but your job is so important because this allow civilians like normal people sleep peacefully in the warm bats at night while you are in this during this night in the freezing cold air like doing something or like you

know doing your job and you like you know what I'm Saying and even though it's like really hard and you haven't eaten you haven't slept You're exhausted physically. But the only one hope which actually keeps you like focused and keeps you like this, you know, like positive is because you know that >> you believe in the mission. >> You believe in the mission. You believe that you saving someone's life. It's the only one big belief. And this was betrayed by my own commanders, by my Own government. like how could I live with that? It's life,

I guess. >> Mhm. Mhm. I mean, under completely different circumstances, there's a lot of veterans and former intelligence personnel that feel the exact same way about this country. >> I I can understand You did feel an emotional attachment to Vladimir, didn't you? >> I felt that, you know, I one of my dreams actually is very connected to his and I think he inspired me to do that. I see exactly myself in five years where I will I want to see myself where I'm you know I work for that where like I see myself in 10

years and 20 years and I see myself when I will be like before I will be that where I want to see myself and I want to see myself Ideally in the island with a big big house where orphanage orphan kids from all around the world would live there and be raised there as a family disregarding to the fact what nationality they are, what race they are, what background they are. educate them and raise them as a sisterhood and brotherhood and just give them this chance and possibility of having the roof and uh And family.

And I think this this dream was inspired by Vladimir because that's exactly what he was doing. Maybe I had attachment with him. I don't know. Maybe maybe that's why I cannot um you know have um another >> attachment to anybody else >> maybe because but look from another hand it's Such a beautiful um sacrifice sacrif right of man he sacrificed his life for a female he loved beautiful very noble even though he was a criminal but still it's a beautiful you know action for a woman for a enough. I I appreciate that and I really

respect and I think that um one of the reasons why I share this story is because to bring this awareness also that this man exist you know that men can do such a noble Things for women if they really care about women and they love them you know so it's something really beautiful can happen if you really love someone. >> How often do you think about him? >> About him? Only when um somebody ask me. I don't really think about him in a normal routine. I'm I'm constantly so busy and my brain is always occupied

with so many projects and things. So I one of the Technique also not to go to the past because it can ruin you completely. And I um so I I learn also there is another technique. So I learned how to block your past. So you don't you know the worst thing when you compare what if what if he wouldn't be that and we would meet each other in Greece and happily live and have three kids and blah blah blah. What actually it brings you nothing. you're just basically deprisizing yourself and uh It's a virtual world

which doesn't exist right >> you need to focus on the present moment and I always do this uh technique maybe you heard that when I go to this negative thoughts what if or my past or like you know I got a little bit emotional because maybe it's a really like a few times in my life when I went back to that moment when I was raped and bitten up almost to death. I don't allow myself to remember That because if I would, I would never get over that dark emotions >> and then this can lead

me to a really bad things. Like for example, I don't drink alcohol. I choose not to because in the past if I would drink my brain slowly but my my my shield my guard would you know drop and I would remember that memories and that experience and I would go into darkness as I don't consume any drugs because it Can also bring me the same problem you know so I self-regulate myself and I self control myself because I choose healthy lifestyle. I choose to achieve my goals rather than memorizing and remembering that past. That past

made me who I am today and I choose to be strong, right? And move on rather than to live in the past. And I strongly advise people not to live in the past and remembering the Past but move on because the life is beautiful. There's so many amazing things in the world. You can do so so many great things for others for human progress for for our planet for our home. It's amazing. >> You know the thing is is that it does keep coming up for you. >> It does keep coming back. >> It keeps

coming back. keeps coming back when you drink. It keeps coming back. >> So that's why I don't drink. >> So it's coming back right now. So what I want to ask you is would you rather would you rather process it and come to an understanding and move past it or keep blocking it? >> Okay, great question. Thank you so much. I feel like I'm with my therapist now. So I work with therapists for 17 years, right? As I said, uh I don't know. I don't know because if I Okay, I will be honest. I don't

think I'm powerful enough to process that really. I I I think it will, you know, it will really destroy me. You know what I'm saying? I'd rather keep it over there for now. >> Mhm. >> Because at the moment I still do not feel stable, You know. I I due to certain circumstances in my life, I still don't feel like okay, I am safe. I'm like I have my security. I don't feel it yet. >> Mhm. >> I am working on that right now. I want to achieve it. Once I will do it, maybe it

would be enough power, enough energy to go back and process that. But right now, I'm in a kind of like vulnerable position right now. Still being here in US for like 5 years. I'm still in a very vulnerable situation. I don't want to go there so dark and work on it. I I have not, you know, I don't have power enough to do this. >> Have you ever heard of psychedelic therapy? I've heard and again I am scared to do this like you know especially in Los Angeles they're all about like this like um ketamine

um therapy right I am scared I'm scared to do that I'm scared that I will not come Back you know mentally >> I've done it >> did it help I know Sean like I I'm scared >> see the thing with it is I talk a lot about that on this show. And you know, most the majority of the people that I talk about it with are are are you former special ops guys that have done just horrific stuff. >> And you know, the general consensus is that It is very healing and you know that for

me too. I mean that when I did I came off booze up to be almost four years since I've had a drink this February. >> Congratulations. This big achievement. know that it's hard. >> But um >> actually it was easy for me. I did psychedelics and >> really it was done. >> No, it's hard for me. Sometimes I just want to >> But what I'm saying is it'll throw you back in those situations, but you're able to you're able to observe it from a different perspective where you're not necessarily emotionally attached and you process it.

>> Do you think that I block this memories? >> Yeah. So do you think like if I would go back and process it would actually give me sort of like reveal? Yeah. Only maybe with >> I think you would be able to think about it and move past it from an unemotional like this happened to me. It doesn't define who I am and it's okay. Well, I almost came to the state that it's okay. Like I'm grateful to my experience. If not this, I wouldn't be sitting here, right? So, I'm I'm grateful and I'm blessed,

But um maybe with the right specialist as I said like I have a trust issues obviously. So even um with a therapist I'm very careful >> about what I'm saying or whatever because of you never know. So obviously like when you are in such a vulnerable state I psychedelics you need to really have people whom you trust 100%. Unfortunately, I cannot say that right now in my life I have these People. Maybe because it's my problem. Oh, okay. I trust my son 100%. I do trust some of my friends, so people I work with, but

to do psychedelic with them therapy, no. >> Mhm. >> Does make sense. >> Makes perfect sense. >> Okay. >> I'm just I'm just planting a seed and Maybe you'll look into it. And if you do and you need some contacts, let me know. >> Okay. >> But you know, so you know, going back to Vladimir, I mean, I think it's very obvious that you had some sort of connection, feelings for him. >> I'm just curious if you did have the opportunity to talk to him again. >> What would you tell him? >> Uh, if I

would if I would speak with Him, I would tell him, "Thank you. Of course. Thank you for giving me a chance to live this life and being here right now in front of you. Just big big thank you from the bottom of my heart. That's it. I mean I would I would of course apologize but I did apologize that night. I think he understood that um sometimes we are in these life Circumstances that um people you don't need to even say that you apologize because people know that you are it's different but being grateful 100%.

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eyes of people on why these things happen. You can head over to scopshow.com, order it today. I think you're going to get a lot out of this. Who's pulling the strings? Who's pulling them? [Applause] >> You know, some people say that. Oh, so her like, you know, basically the story about her being a spy, it's a cover to cover her real identity. She's still spy because she goes to all this like here, she goes there, she has this life. So, she's definitely a spy. I'm like, "Oh my god, this people." >> Well, everybody thinks I'm

a spy, too. >> Really? They do? >> Yeah. Like, they all they don't all think that, but a lot of people think That. >> Okay. So, this is kind of normal when you speak about this kind of things. So, people think you are a spy. Mhm. >> So in America it's kind of normal because I will explain I don't know like you can to totally recall that. So what I was surprised when I moved to America you see I lived in Europe for 15 years right when I told some people about my just like my

very close people. So for example I was dating Lord a British lord Who was very close to real family. So I told him like about you know my past. So we still have a really good friendship and all that. He told me, "Sweetheart, please do not share this to anyone in this country. Like, just don't." I'm like, "Okay." So, I didn't I come here and uh it was sort of like um a necessary thing to do. But when I share that what I didn't expect that press will go viral like viral as it became like

viral like different Other countries including even India or like you know Asia >> Greece um and all like Slovakia, Slovia, Australia like I mean like they all were writing about like um so it's it's ongoing press like the New York Post it was recent one but before that it was much bigger mainstream. So my team did an estimation it was over 500 million viewers on just like some articles which is crazy. So but Everything came from America. So American press presented me. So I kind of like told them what I did. But in my perspective,

this is operative work what I was doing. I would never call it like spy work. Yet we did spy on our targets, you know, when we had to gather information, you know, we need to do research blah blah. But yes, so the press calls like, "Oh, she is a sex spy and all this." And it went just viral and we're like, "Wow." Like so I was even like oh my god like this is crazy. Um, so I think especially in America because of the cold war situation and because I'm coming from USSR, it's just like

became so big and so viral just because of like you know people ask this questions like okay so um if you spy it must be like in the movie Red Sparrow so you must seduce this American ministers politicians ambassadors You know, like so this is the belief >> like oh my god. So this um the imagination is crazy especially in America like why >> oh yeah Americans are notorious for over sensationalizing news stories and overmbellishing pretty much everything. So but uh >> conspiracy theories with some of them I I cannot disagree. I agree. But the

whole like spy thing I mean yes of course it does exist but um only in this Country it's just so much interest. >> Everybody thinks I'm still a spy. Actually I was never a spy. I was a but anyways. >> Have you ever spy on someone like on your targets like to get some information? >> Yeah. Okay. I guess I was a spy. So see that's so if you were doing that even for one target they call you spy. >> Mhm. >> Yet like in Russia they would never call Each other hey spy come here

like hey spy you have to call to this. >> We don't Yeah. It doesn't happen here. >> Right. They don't do it in the military. They call you like according to your rank or according to your um your job status like for example operative blah blah blah your mission is so and so or like they would say agent. So and so, >> right? >> What do they accuse you of being a spy for? >> What's your what's your current mission? Wait, are you talking about press or are we talking about >> people or what what

are we talking? >> I don't know. I just noticed that >> I see it in the comments. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. In America, people still think that I am a spy. So, I came to this country in order to spy for Russians. I'm like, "People, please try to hear me out. Please, I'm sitting here in front of Sean Ryan and Actually giving my whole my whole story away like telling the whole thing about myself if I would be a spy, an active spy. Would I want to do that? I mean, what for?" It's

it's so weird even to think. >> See, they're going to say that that's the cover. >> Yeah, exactly. That's what they say. This is the cover. She was told to say that they're probably spying together now. There'll be a whole Narrative out there crafted that we're a team. >> I don't know if we're working for Russia or the I don't know but what they're going to float. So, um, a Russian spy and American spy go together at the podcast >> and do a podcast. >> Oh my god, it's hilarious. But yes, >> and then there'll

be the other people that like, see, they have to tell you what they're gonna do before they do it. This is Yeah, this is what this is. >> Yeah. And then like this. >> Welcome to the internet. >> But uh anyways, >> yeah, we talk about this all the time. All the time. >> Okay. So, >> but I am curious. I have I have a question. >> Okay. >> Have you ever worked in Silicon Valley? >> Oh my god. Yes. >> No >> Sorry. >> Yes, I did. Okay. So, then got this is like a

short and then the garment. She just >> Here it is. >> She just Yeah. She just said yes. Okay. So I was actually invited to Silicon Valley, San Diego based company, a very big company to actually give a public speaking In front of CEOs and executives to talk about spy techniques, how to prevent manipulation, how to spot lie, how to read people, and how to increase sales using spy techniques. >> Nice. So yes, actually I was invited by um ABC um and Hulu. They want to do the same. They want to kind of like film

me giving a lecture about how to prevent manipulation For executives in Silicon Valley using these spy techniques from like from female spies which is funny. >> That's a real problem over there. >> Why? Ah, you mean like because of the >> That is a big problem, especially with the AI race going on with China right now. That is a big problem. >> Yeah. >> So, what do you tell them? How do they what do you tell them? What are they looking out for? >> How do you avoid espionage in Silicon Valley? >> As you said,

like we just discussed that. So, number one, be very cautious. be aware of the sort of potential fake female accounts when they love bombing you. Why? And how like Yeah. Like how did they find you? >> How why do they text you? >> Okay, we know what they want. Oh, like I just want to meet you. I think you're Cute. How you like possibly can see in this little picture like how the the the person looks like, right? mostly of like accounts are private especially in LinkedIn there not so many pictures the Silicon Valley tech

executives they definitely don't have Instagrams probably not even Facebooks so as J >> here's a good rule to live by this is just a good rule for everybody to live by if you've never had a 10 come up to you and want to you >> and all of a sudden they're coming around it's probably because they want your money >> or your tech Yeah. All like information >> you didn't turn into a 10 overnight. So >> yes, especially when you >> just be honest with yourself. >> Yeah. But it's really hard for people, especially for

men to be honest. Like really I spoke with um one person who is in Silicon Valley and Um CEO of a very big company. cannot say his name and um the company name because it's quite big. So he knows who I am. We spoke we know each other through friends and he goes, "You know what?" So I'm sitting in a in a restaurant like for the lunch break and this beautiful gorgeous Slovakian looking hot girl comes and she's like you know pumpering me with compliments and like blah blah blah and all this and she wanted

me to go with her to have Sex like straight away. But he told me I didn't know. He said I was wisely like I was wise enough. I understood that she probably was a spy. So I'm so good I didn't go with her even though it was so hard to resist. Do you think she was a spy? Like oh my god dude. And then another comments also from Silicon Valley guys also quite big you know corporations big Uh status executives and all that they said so what at least I will be by gorgeous girl why

not >> wow >> I'm telling you that it's it's crazy but that that's what that that's you know comments I receive >> wow >> from them yeah >> how I'm I'm curious. I mean, how many is this common knowledge in Silicon Valley? Does everybody know? >> I think now it is because of the Times article, but before I don't think so. You know how many actually Slovakian women go there to target potential future husbands? >> Like unbelievable. I know the story. >> Hundreds of thousands. >> Yeah, I know a lot of stories actually. I don't

even do you remember like 10 20 years ago it was very popular these websites dating websites they would call It like Russian wife or like bring Russian wife or like Russian date or whatever. So >> mail order brides, >> right? So this American Silicon Valley based man would go online to find Russian or whatever like Slovakian looking woman. >> Mhm. speak with them online before seeing them, make for them um bride visa so they could come from Russia or Ukraine or Whatever countries to America >> to meet with them for like I think the visa

was for 6 months and they decide if they want to marry them like this woman then she would stay under the marriage visa like the you know green card uh marriage residency or she would go back home. But most likely, of course, these women would do everything >> everything to to to show like the best Behavior obviously in every possible way. So this man would end up marrying them. And surprisingly, I know a lot of females having this situation. So they would particular target American men from California, from Silicon Valley in order to move to

America, get married, have kids with them and then who knows maybe still deliver some information to the government. And I spoke with one of them and uh you know what she said? We spoke about this and there was like Some sort of like conflicts between different women. One woman would say how can you actually create a family and raise kids with your target. Another one would say yes but um if you do that for the government like why would you do it for government right? But she another one said like what imagine the situation. What

if your parents in Ukraine or Russia bel Russia or whatever what if they are threatened or they would be put on risk if you Would reject this task from the government. So >> man, how many spies do you think are over there? >> A lot. How many countries? >> How many countries like from like from different definite? Okay. So I spoke with one person I mentioned before mostly China because Chinese are particular targeting The IP intellectual intellectual property from the American um companies uh corporate corporative companies Russians um not so much Musat British they said

that's not in a good shape right now the sorry But it is what it is. Uh I mean I spoke with the pro that's a very classified information but it's actually truth. So um you see the point is that the Chinese secret intelligent and Russian they um They don't really have human rights >> Mhm. >> low as high as in America. So for them using humans, it's quite common and normal. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And besides, they don't have that much money to use technology. So it's easier to use humans. >> Are you are you

still in contact with any of your family? >> Yes, of course. >> Your father? >> Yes. No, we we speak we speak time to I mean like not every day of course but we speak like once um a week or two weeks just to check on them. We cannot speak anything about the war, political situation, anything like that. We usually speak about like you know about the house, how do they feel and you know what's going on in their life and I just speak about my job and that's it. Have you and your dad ever

had a conversation about your previous career? >> Yes. And you know what my dad said even like two years ago? He said maybe you should come back to Russia and um you know reinstall yourself in the in the military and continue working. So at that point I understood that I love my dad. I love my family of course but it's um he doesn't get it. You know how like It's just he doesn't understand he doesn't see what I see and it's impossible to teach him or trying to explain him because I did try to explain

when the war started but it went to the argument. So my mom said, "Please don't speak with him about this stuff. Just like just don't." >> Wow. when I actually he doesn't know the whole story about Vladimir but when I Actually like moved out from Russia even though like I was still in Russia he actually stopped talking to me because I I what I said to him I the way I presented it I said I quit and I left so my dad didn't speak with me for over a year because I betrayed his uh plans

and his goals on my future and sort of the family. I kind of like let him down if you understand what I mean because he was Portraying me and believing that I would be you know having this like high rank and maybe like you know he would be proud of me and all that. I went to a completely different path. I don't understand if he I mean I think he doesn't understand that and he doesn't approve that but at the moment it is what it is. Of course he would want to have for me different

future. >> Man that is tough. I mean, how how would you how would you Go back to Russia and work in an intelligence unit anyways? I mean, you've abandoned >> I could if I wouldn't go public like I'm I'm doing right now. I definitely could. >> If you didn't go public, but you are public. >> Well, that's why I decided to go public because I'm like, I'm so done. I don't want anyone contact me. I don't want anyone to be sent. I don't want to be attached. >> Oh, this conversation with your dad was before

you went public. Mhm. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. So now now when I'm like public and all this um so the good thing they don't have social media because it's banned in Russia like you know Spotify is banned. Um WhatsApp is banned. Every single platform are banned in Russia. Sometimes they don't have internet. Some days they don't like they literally don't have Internet. So they cannot really go and see. The only one platform they can check is my Instagram. But my Instagram is all about fashion. So when I moved to London at 30, I finally

was like, okay, so finally I can do something for myself. And my dream was to work in fashion. So I was enrolled into uh top fashion university ceutoto Marangoni in London. I got my master degree and I started to work in fashion and I was super happy because I was Working for a really big um publishing house like condonas in the UK uh for walk and tatler and venity fair magazine. So for me it was very like you know big and prestigious. So I created my um fashion blog in Instagram. So everything is about fashion.

So I go to fashion weeks Milan Paris, I promote fashion brands, I get paid. So Instagram is my you know my revenue but as a fashion blogger. So I became an influencer in fashion much earlier than I revealed my identity being a secret agent. And sometimes people they don't understand because they don't scroll down the Instagram to like you know uh to my past and they say oh she revealed her story about being spy because she just wanted to become an influencer. I'm like where is the logic here? Like why don't you just scroll down

to my Instagram? Why don't you see that I got 1 million followers much earlier than I revealed my identity being a spy? you Know, and it was like I was living in um Europe mostly of the time. So my dad and my family, they don't really and besides they don't speak English, so they don't really understand this kind of things. They just see my Instagram. Oh, like she's wearing this nice dress. She's on the red carpet here. She's on the red carpet like in can in Venice or wherever. So okay, you know. >> Mhm. >>

That's it. So, what's going on like with The Spotify and um you know YouTube, they don't have access. >> Gotcha. Gotcha. >> Thank God. >> Well, your fashion career has gone. How long have you been in fashion? >> 10 years. >> 10 years. >> Yeah. I'm 14 now. So, I've been there 10 years. I started from 13. >> You're in everything. I mean, I'll probably misspe here, but I went through What I went through. I mean, it's like Vogue, Glamour, Vanity, like everything. You're in everything. >> Thank you. Well, impressive. I love fashion. I was

born in Soviet Union. There was no fashion at all. So, I was u you know stitching and tailoring clothes for dolls and then for myself and then for my friends. So, fashion. I always like love fashion. I wanted to kind of like have my own style and all that. So if you really like you know implement Yourself and all that of course you you can achieve everything you want as long as you work hard on that and you know you're moving on. So that's what I'm doing and I'm you know I'm very happy that my

son just recently uh sign a deal with the top four model agencies in the world. >> Congratulations. >> He has Thank you. He has really good physics parameters. the only one thing I need to manage him Because you know how fashion industry is it's you know entertainment and all that so he has to be very careful so I would be the one who would guide him introduce him to designers be there as his manager and just help him to go through so yeah I'm very excited about that >> right congratulations >> thanks >> do you

do you use your seduction techniques to get what you want today >> always today today. >> No, today I mean like first of all, you're a married guy. >> Well, I don't mean to me. I just mean in anything. >> To audience. Hi audience. Do you like me? >> Any any any I mean to advance your fashion career to give to get anything that you want. I mean do you use those techniques? >> Um in my normal life yes and I would say this is my DNA always But in a good way. You see, you

can use spy techniques for good. Like for example, you want to motivate or inspire your colleagues. That's why congratulations your top one podcast in YouTube and in Spotify. Why? Because you inspire your team. You bring them together. You motivate them. Because alone we can't do all this job. We need like right good team next to us doing you know this mission together >> like you know like in the military you Cannot do the mission by yourself. You have to have the right team with you right. So how to motivate people how to inspire them giving

right compliments programming them as well through anchors but in the right way. Or for example, a wife can inspire and motivate and program her husband in order to kind of like push him a little bit to be more successful to have a desire to make more money to do something to kind of like create more things, you know. So spy Techniques can be used for good. Also, spy techniques can be used for spotting the lie. What if uh you receive all these uh offers from potential business partnerships but they actually trying to lie to you,

take an advantage from you. What if you can actually it's not just like gut feeling but it's also understanding the body language, the eye contact like analyze their words, right? uh observe their uh behavior, their character, like what they say, how they Say. It's a lot of little details. But what if you can understand that and learn how to do all this in order to protect yourself from giving away something in the business which is not beneficial for you. So same in the relationship, right? Like we just discussed like what if men would understand that

this woman potential gold digger, this woman is potential spy, you know, trying to get something out of you or like they look into your Wallet rather than you and how to maybe not like even maybe but how to place the right boundaries because we all treat people according to the way how they present themsel. If you present yourself as a weak man, as um dependent and emotional and kind of like Yeah. like you know weak, most likely there would be a woman who would come and try to abuse you to in order to get something

out of you. >> Mhm. >> Right. So you need to place your boundaries first. You need to um have and raise your self-esteem, your self-confidence and that when you are when you are confident most likely nobody will be able to manipulate you or use you or take something from you. We're talking about like healthy partnership but healthy partnership starts from yourself, right? So spy techniques can use for good and that's what I teach to People and that's what I'm you know writing in the book and I want to share this to people where spy techniques

can use for the dark psychology for the manipulation as well but that's my responsibility not to share this techniques to public to audience so they they won't use it on each other. >> How do you tell if somebody's lying? >> Many things. >> Now you know what? Now I went to the Thing the kind of like maybe special skill. I noticed it wasn't like this before. Before I would like you know analyze according to the theory. Now I can actually without even body language or like you know the whole presentation I can smell the lie

which is so funny. Um but I think it's over time practice and wisdom. So number one for just people to understand number one how to spot the lie when somebody tries to push whatever They want and they try to push you in a way that hurry up hurry up like we need to do it now like today is the day like now is that like is the time we need to do it now let's do now come on come on like when somebody's rushing you >> like this and another person for example would distract you

with talks or other like activities or whatever. This is a a big red flag. >> So you need to kind like guys give me some time let me think. This is really Uh important to remember. So never take u make any decisions when you are in this like rush situation. Second the lie. Yeah of course body language but we all know that right? So like people say well I wouldn't say that this is actually work like when people look like you know up left or up right usually like left they're saying like this is it

doesn't work like that because >> that could be a confidence problem. >> Yeah. Oh, sometimes we remember something. Sometimes we think about something or sometimes like I can like go like this and like thinking like you know looking at your beautiful picture over there for example I like you know like there could be so many thoughts like I wouldn't stress particular on the eye position but body language yes so when somebody's hiding something they usually hide themsel right usually like women Usually women they sit either like this like you know it's a very close position

or they put the back on the um knees also like closing position or again like when you're covering your mouth or like you're covering your eyes or like you kind of so you try to whatever you say but you you know distract the >> you're looking for something to do. >> Yeah. Like at the same time like you're kind of like um hiding something. You Feel it, >> right? Uh so check the the whole posture like how is it some very skilled liars they would take care but they would control the body language of course

so you wouldn't even notice on the body language but then it's so important to understand what they like asking from you obviously if a random person comes to you with an offer and pushing you or placing you in the Situation you cannot say no. That's definitely a manipulation and you should like just uh withdraw yourself and just get out from this and take time to think and also like important thing I you know check the person of course like check the social media check like you know people ask people if they know this person if

he's legit if he's not legit what has he done who does he know him like what kind of like you know Relationship he has it could be about women and men doesn't matter you need to check you know now we live in internet world where you can check everything about anyone there is a great website I checked one person recently um you just pay like couple bucks and it gives you the whole thing especially in America which is like fascinating you get like the address you know partners marriages and all that why not so check

People before you are getting yourself into some situations where you will regret after. >> Would you say be aware of people that don't give you the opportunity to talk? >> Fast talkers. >> Mhm. >> Overabundance of talking >> is an avoidance of questioning. >> Mhm. Yep. Destruction. They destruct you with they talk. So you you're kind of like you're lost. So you cannot like even hear your thought process because you're like distracted with the conversation. >> This was a fascinating conversation. >> Thank you. >> What should we cover or is this the end? >> Um

I don't know. You tell me. I'm like we went from like crying to laugh. >> I think we covered it. >> Okay. >> I'd love to get you back. You going to Come back? >> Yeah. After I will do psych psychedelic therapy, >> right? >> And then after like, okay, now I am connected with my my Zen and I'm ready. I'm ready to go through that again and like, you know, tell you the whole thing. >> I hope you look into it. >> I mean, um, >> they could do a lot of good for you.

>> Maybe next year. So, this year almost gone. Next year when the book will be out. Hopefully, I'll get like I I will I will be sort out with my citizenship and everything. And then we'll see. I mean maybe yes maybe I'll have the power enough but again like it's all about like the time also the right time you see like when you travel when you're committed to so many projects you just simply don't have Time to yourself >> and that's also important like I need to have time for myself and I'm so happy this

Christmas break is coming so because everybody will be busy or like with family so I can finally sleep and I can finally rest finally I can like sleep in my bed for at least 8 hours. Nice. >> Yeah, I this my dream. >> Last question. >> Mhm. >> If you could if you could recommend three guests for this podcast, who would they be? >> Three guests. You know what? So, I listen a lot of your episodes and I scroll down the whole YouTube. It's amazing. Very interesting topics and all that. I actually really fascinated. I

won't go to this uh you know conversations but it doesn't matter but like the some of the guests they were Just amazing like wow and very inspiring but I noticed that there not so many female guests you know so I think if you would bring more female guests especially therapist so for example you talk about um mental healing and PTSD maybe great would it would be great to bring somebody like expert or therapist on that but female from female perspective. >> Okay. >> I would also invite um a relationship female coach. So for example or

like I'm happy to talk about what women want from men on the first date or like in ter like in terms of like long relationship because it's such a like men obviously have completely different psychology from women. Women also have different psychology from men. But like when women more kind of like educated in this way because women want to women have a precise time limit, >> men they don't. So it's very important for female to have everything during like a specific time zone like you know marrying kids, raising kids, you know also making career and

all that. So it's very limited time. >> What do women want from men? I'll ask you. >> Okay, good question. Um, Women want from men only one thing. Women want stability. That's it. Stability. That's it, guys. It's it's um wherever you you would hear, oh, she wants this size or she wants that size of a wallet, rubbish. They want stability. I can tell you this and as a woman and I I I work with women even if a guy doesn't make that much you know revenue yet but he is stable meaning that he self-regulated he's

self discipline he Um committed to his work he committed to his project he he committed to their relationship so he doesn't lie he doesn't cheat on not just like physical cheating, but like cheating like lying. Oh, like maybe this is water, maybe this is wine, maybe this is black, maybe this is white, like you know like this kind of like because this is not stability. When women spot that man is lying somewhere, the trust is gone. And then women think like how can I actually have Kids with this man if he lies to me in

this small things and then like after like having kids like what what if he will leave me? what if like he'll he'll just uh let me down in something or whatever right so women seeking for stability even though as I said the guy is not like maybe successful yet but he's very committed to everything he does and he says tomorrow I will do this and he does it like I go to gym let's say every day For one hour and he does it whatever but he is committed to everything he's doing And woman has this

understanding that okay I can trust him. He's stable because during the time I can see that he didn't mess up in anything. So I can trust this guy. So I am okay to go ahead with him and build life together. So stability. But of course there are like small not like small details but they're like other details Like of course women are looking for attention physical attention compliments moral attention and support of course otherwise you know I strongly believe and that's what I say to my students as I said women they have limited with time

and For a woman, it's very important to choose the target wisely. Sorry, I just Okay, let's call a potential partner The right partner, a target. So if a woman goes into relationship with a cute guy and she just likes him but he's unstable and he mess up like in different things but she forgives him and she goes ahead. It may be like you know a lot of time like years sometimes and she's still you know waiting for something. Most likely this guy will never offer you and propose you. And most likely this guy Would never

be committed to you because like he's like he doesn't even know what does he want. So why would you waste your precious time on this person? Because we cannot change people unless they want to change themselves. So if you think that you will change men, this this not going to happen. So instead, why don't you choose the right man who is also willing to work with you on building something together? But the thing is, it's very difficult. Of Course, it's hard to find the right target. >> Mhm. Mhm. But it's possible because in the beginning

also you need to have your boundaries and you you need to tell the man what are you looking for as like he needs also to tell you what does he want because like you may be like you know playing this games but in fact like he just wants to have easy simple sex and you want to build a family with him and Have kids like you are in like in different you know dimensions worlds. >> Exactly. So of course it it's not going to work and you'll just waste your time and then what would happen

you will have a broken heart PTSD lo you lose time and energy and you use how many examples of like the stories do we have do we know >> millions >> so that's why women need to know what do they want and they need to state in the Beginning of relationship what do they want in a nice way of course not like okay I want this this this. But you know the funny thing is um I have um one of my students um who actually so that time she was 38 years old uh working in

the bank girl and she was like you know what I want to I done my career blah blah blah I have like income good stable income I have some um savings so I want to have family I want to have kids I Want the right man and what she did she just basically went online and every single evening she would meet with new man but she would state dude I want to get married I'm 38 years old I'm planning da da da da da da and a little bit about herself I'm so and so and

so uh even in dating website like sort of like Tinder or whatever but she was able to find the right guy for herself and now they're happily married with two kids And it's been already like what over 6 years so it's possible but you need to know what do you want. >> Mhm. Good advice. >> Well, I hope it helps. >> Great advice. >> Well, Aaliyah, I just want to say thank you for coming. I'd love to get you back here. >> Thank you, Sean. >> Fascinating conversation. >> Thank you so much. I really, really

appreciate. >> My pleasure. Best of luck. >> Thank you. [Music] No matter where you're watching Shawn Ryan Show from, if you get anything out of this, please like, comment, subscribe, and most importantly, share this everywhere you possibly can. And if you're feeling extra generous, please leave us a review on Apple and Spotify Podcasts.