Mulheres Psicopatas: Entre a Doçura e a Crueldade - PODPEOPLE INVERSO COM DRA. ANA BEATRIZ | Ep. 012

It only took her four days to kill the guy. Four days. She's his sister. Then you say, she simply got it into her head that she was going to keep his house. She started studying and then she started testing on dogs what quantity would make death quick. People also think that old people are always sweet or like Grandma Benta. Everything leads to believe that she killed her own daughter. Female psychopathy, she's very different. She's a predator that has to be stopped. She won't stop. There are psychopaths in all religions, in all places, in all social

classes, in all professions, all over the world. Ana Paula brings her a little cake. She eats the cake and dies. Hello, welcome to another Pod People Inverso. Here the presenter stops being the presenter and becomes the interviewee. And representing you on the other side, Gabriel, who will ask all the questions you send, and you should send them, okay? So we can see how the information is reaching you, if we're digesting it well , and also about topics you might want to discuss. Our sponsor today, and for all episodes of Inverso, is Axon, a supplement to

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right? Every time a case like this comes up, the doctor talks about it. So, we had a lot of people wanting to know about it. So, just to give some context for those who don't know about this case, a student named Ana Paula Veloso Fernandes, a 36-year-old law student, was arrested and classified by the São Paulo justice system as a true serial killer after being accused of Poisoning and killing four people between January and May 2025. The case involves victims in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, and shocked the country because it involved a woman

suspected of multiple serial homicides. Something quite rare even in Brazil, because it's usually always the man who gets caught. And asking myself, why are there usually more men than women? I have my doubts if it's that rare. No, I disagree. Of course, when we talk about psychopathy, we see that statistics show four men for every one woman. I have my doubts. I think we have many more female psychopaths than we imagine. The difference is that the modus operandi, that is, the way a male psychopath acts, is more testosterone-driven, let's say, he has more physical violence,

there's the stabbing, the shooting, the humiliation, the violence, the beatings. We even see this in gangs, right, where the issue is to grab, if it's a woman, then they pull her hair, a very violent thing. Female psychopathy, on the other hand, is quite different because it's subtle, it's just As evil as male psychopathy. For me, the evil is comparable, but it's more elaborate. And historically, we see that women in general use poison. Hmm. And when you look at the history of humanity, when you go to royalty, to geishas , ​​they never needed anything. In royalty,

women even had a ring that opened, they put the poison there, and it had a little thing that opened like that. Nowadays you find that in antique shops. In antique shops. You'd open it and the woman would take the poison, put it in a drink, right? So, I think that wickedness, the theory itself, right? She killed herself with poison. That feminine wickedness, I think that, however much we talk about it, society has a lot of difficulty admitting that women exist, that cruel women exist. Women are always associated with motherhood, with kindness. I think the mother

archetype is very strong and really every mother should be associated, every female figure, with a feeling of protection, of motherhood, of unification, but in practice ...of protection, of welcoming, but in practice we see that there is a percentage, thank God, Very small. Like the psychopath himself and like the serial killer himself, right? Within the psychopath, the serial killer is even rarer. But then wait a minute, we say that the psychopath is not always a serial killer, right? No, no. The minority is an absolute minority. If you have psychopaths, in general, the vast majority are mild,

swindlers, which doesn't stop them from being psychopaths, because they take pleasure in making the other person lose, pleasure in making the other person suffer, right? The average one, which is the more elaborate one, who commits more sophisticated scams targeting the elderly, the one who deals with technology, commits much more sophisticated scams and embezzles money or is even corrupt, we consider them average, not because of the harm they cause, but because of their modus operandi. And the serious ones, right, those who, besides doing something, also take pleasure in humiliating, assaulting, doing something much bigger. Within these

serious ones, you have a small percentage that are like cereal, because cereal has a ritual that it repeats, right? It does every cereal. So it's like that, it's the way he executes it that he develops over time. And how Does he develop this? He wakes up and says: "Ah, this time I'm going to kill on the full moon. Ah, I'm only going to kill women, I'm only going to kill men." Why does this come about? Well, no. What we see is that the ritual he develops has to do with situations or studies that he liked.

Wow. For example, there was a serial killer who, at the crime scene, uh, put people in the position of works of art, so it was linked to a culture. Wow, this even reminds me of that movie with Rainby, right? The one with the serial killer who disguises himself as an angel, right? Exactly. That was based on real events. So what happens? The thing about the killer isn't that one day he wakes up; he's a person who gathers information and transforms that information, which he's subjected to or seeks out , into a ritual, a way to

carry out his evil deeds. So what we see in the killer is that he acts in periods. It's very interesting. He spends a good amount of time preparing, that is, organizing how he's going to do it based on the information he's gathered over time. In this organization, he already has the pleasure of visualizing how it will be, imagining it. Then he starts testing the method, or the ritual, generally with more vulnerable beings, animals or children, before finally reaching the adult form. Yes, it escalates, he always tests beforehand, generally on animals. I was watching a documentary

the other day that showed there are many serial killers, especially in the United States, who were caught after a while. I don't know if it's really that much, I also disagree with that, Gabi, with that information. It's not mainly in the United States, it's that in the United States they are trained to detect them. Hmm. Hmm. I think serial killers exist, just as psychopaths exist in all religions, in all places, in all social classes , in all professions, all over the world. And there, it took them a while to recognize a serial killer, right? If

I'm not mistaken, it was only after 1980 that they started to see that no, wait a minute, this is a... this is a... this is a separate profile. A separate profile is much more Dangerous because, well, it's a machine that has to be stopped. So, it's a predator that has to be stopped. He won't stop, he won't stop spontaneously. What we see is that he prepares himself , and then when he goes into action, he makes several victims. It's like a very hungry wild animal. And when he starts, it's like he gets a taste for

it, he's enjoying it, he's having that pleasure. Then suddenly it starts to attract a lot of attention, he retreats, right? It was like that with Ted Band until recently, the biggest American would be. Today he's surpassed, but until recently it was him. Ted Band. Uh, he retreats so as not to attract more attention. And then some time passes, when things have subsided a little, nobody's talking anymore, he comes back, it's almost like... If it were a wild animal hibernating, but it's there preparing. And either it strikes, or it moves to another area, right? If it

was in one state, it goes to another, restarts its life there very discreetly, always participating in society in a very friendly way, very... and for what? To protect itself, yes, to camouflage itself. To protect itself, yes, of course. For example, If you look at classic American killers, they had a family life or a very well-structured life, which is precisely to make them a suspect. So, it's a very predatory, but very rhythmic way of functioning, right? This Ana Paula, for example, she started killing people, it seems to me, in January of this year, right? January, put,

put that picture for us, Gu, that I brought for us to organize. Look, Ana Paula is there, right? Well, the first one to be killed was Marcelo, the first victim, right there, Marcelo Fonseca, on January 31, 2025, okay? Then it goes to the second victim, Maria Aparecida Rodrigues, that was April 11th. Then on April 11th, look, April 11th, in the same month, on April 26th, right, the third victim is killed. Look, from the first to the second was about 10 days, from the second to the third 15 days. No, no. The first to the second

was more, because it's the 31st. Ah, it's the 31st of January and April 11th. Ah, I understand. That's it. That's it. April 11th, as far as we know, okay? Because it seems to me that more murders are going to come up, that I've heard about. But it's not certain. The São Paulo police are already Working with this hypothesis, but haven't released anything yet because it needs to be more certain. The second one was Maria Aparecida in April, then on April 26th it was Neil or Nil, right? It depends. Uh, and you see a month later,

look, April 26th, the 20th, less than a month later, on May 24th, it was Rider, right, a guy from Tunisia who was here and she met him through a dating app. But look, she was pregnant with his child, it was a scam, right? And because he reacted by not falling for the scam, she decided to kill him. What strikes me about Ana Paula is intriguing, because how did the police get to her? Because she was, she called the police to say she had seen the body, had found the body, she found a way to get

involved in the investigation. And that's a classic sign, if I'm not mistaken, isn't it? Not that he usually likes to participate in the investigation. No, no. He watches from afar. The more sophisticated ones watch from afar. It's so common that when they're caught, you go into the house and they have walls covered with all the news clippings about the murder, because they have a sense of vanity, a sense of self-importance. Yes, they have a sense of vanity about what they've done, Because for them it's an achievement to deceive and do that kind of thing. She

seemed a little, let's say, I'm not saying she's a bad person, but a little too impulsive, because she tried to fabricate evidence of her innocence, which in reality ended up placing her at the crime scene in all the cases. And then you see the following: in the first case, Marcelo, he rented the house to her. She leaves Rio and goes to São Paulo. She did something here in Rio. That's what they're investigating. She leaves Rio, and her ex-husband has already appeared saying he's desperately fleeing from her because he's a caregiver for the elderly. He said

she set fire to the house, and one day when he returned home, the key was gone, and someone else said they had bought the house. She sold the house with one guy still there, along with another, to someone else, and her ex-husband couldn't get in. He says she always worked in tandem with her sister, Roberta, who isn't here, but she's her twin sister. And he says she planned to kill her grandmother here in Rio, when she was here in Rio, and that her aunt got a restraining order to keep her away From her grandmother. So,

it seems she was leaving Rio because there were already some problems, something was happening here, some movements. Exactly. Her ex-husband is in hiding, he doesn't even want to see her. He says he was lucky, wow, he really survived. Now, in January, she's hiring a truck driver. Not a truck driver, a guy, sorry, to do freight, a hauler. A hauler, freight. Yeah, to make her move more efficient, because she's emptying the whole house. She sells it when her husband gets home from his shifts; she no longer has a house to live in, not even the furniture.

She has nothing. He took everything. So she goes and hires this guy who takes it to Guarulhos for her. I don't know how she finds Marcelo, and Marcelo had a house to rent in the back of his house, something like that, with a separate entrance. So she goes there, and what's interesting is that she has a diverse criminal history. She arrives there and the guy says, "Look, ma'am, pay the guy who took the freight, and I'll be back. She's not going to have lunch, okay? Okay, okay. While he finishes unloading, then you can have lunch."

When the guy has lunch and comes back to collect The money, having already unloaded everything, she's with the police saying he tried to rape her and her sister, who was coming along the way. This guy spends a day having to deal with this at the police station. You see, he spends the whole day dealing with it at the police station to be released. If it weren't for that, I mean, this guy had a criminal record because of an insinuation, but she was there and the police officer believed her so much that he took him in

for questioning. Yes, right? Of course, then he had the means to call people and, look, you remember, she hired me, but to show you how cruel a person is, with small things. The work... no, in the end, she didn't pay the guy for his work. No, she didn't pay. Wow, he spent money on gas, time, and was exhausted, he stopped doing other things to do this. No, she still hasn't paid. He even had to spend a day solving a case at the police station to be able to come back, so you can see the level,

okay? So, she goes to São Paulo. When she arrives in São Paulo, she starts living there, I don't know how she got in touch with Marcelo, I don't know. She starts living there, it only took her four days to kill the guy. Four days. She's his sister. Then you say, " But what?" She simply got it into her head that she was going to keep his house. She says, that's what she says. Then she makes up that there was a fight. There wasn't a fight. Yeah. She said they even had an affair. No, then she

tried to make it seem like an affair to see if she had a right to it. But she hadn't even been living there for a week. Hmm. How is it an affair? You killed and died, right? And then she calls the police saying there's a very strong bad smell there and tries to stay. No, if you want I'll go inside. No, but how did you see? No, because I was scared. So I looked through the crack because... Then she said she stabbed him. No. And then, like, I think there's an image of her laughing. Where

is it? There isn't. There's one on the internet of her laughing. Then she says that to throw people off because she saw that they were looking into the poisoning issue. Uh, in other cases they were connecting the dots. She'll say: "No, I stabbed him to death." Then I stabbed him a few times, left, I was afraid he'd come after me, so I left him there. He must be dead. I mean, she makes a mess of things. Then, look at this madness. Uh, I sent you, Gustavo, a picture Of her laughing when she gives news. Yeah,

but like, and she's trying to obstruct justice the whole time, because she said, she must have thought, if I say I see a baby, I confirm it, I open the possibility of them suspecting the others. That's why it sets a precedent. But then that's the thing, they don't say that serial killers, usually psychopaths, are very intelligent, they are rational. No, we have to stop thinking that psychopaths are intelligent. No, they're not psychopaths, they have limited rational intelligence, not cognitive, not emotional. I understand. Because the part about being intelligent is that we blend reason with emotion.

Emotion moves us too. Because they have a lot of difficulty with this emotional issue, they have a very bad problem, because memory has a very large emotional component. Why do we remember? For example, if I say something bad to you, you will remember it for three months. If I say something good, you will remember it for a maximum of three days. Why? Because the brain picks up on bad things, because bad things threaten its survival. Hmm. Hmm. So, I can't forget. Since the psychopath Doesn't have this functioning or well-functioning emotional system, what happens? He does

things and forgets. Well, not forgets, he doesn't register them. So, he repeats his mistake, he doesn't give it importance. He He repeats it because, for him, it's not something to take badly, to give importance to, or pay attention to. That's how his brain works, so for him it's normal. So it doesn't threaten him or anything. He doesn't feel any displeasure, no guilt, no embarrassment, no. So he tends to repeat it. That's not intelligence. So, I don't like it when people say that. I think it's a lack of balance between reason and emotion. But has Hollywood

made people think of psychopaths as geniuses, right, of crime ? No, I think they are rational, they focus, they focus on what they want to do, and if you focus on something and train that thing, you will be good. Exhaustively repeated. Yes, you know that, right? We have examples of basketball players, golfers. Yes, it's persistence. They have a focus, they go after it. Yes. But I don't think that's intelligence, I think It's a fixation and almost a predisposition, right? But to do that. So they'll do well because they'll train, train, train, train, right? Uh, speaking

of training, Ana Paula, she started with this thing about poisons, right? Which is quite common for women to use poison when they want to kill, right? In the next step, for example, I'll take, uh, uh, uh, historically, right? The women who were known for killing people, by poisoning, since Greece. Yes, historically, right? So you'll see that this idea that women aren't evil is something we have to start to undo, right? This, this mistake, because you can't always associate good. I hope most are good, but not this angelic thing, a woman isn't going to be evil,

she won't be, there are women and women, right? There are women and there are men and men, right? So look, she initially trained, and she confessed this, on dogs, she took the issue of poison, she discovered how to buy it, because it's forbidden to buy it. Okay. Well, she used to sell it, I don't know, the police must be finding out, I think probably through the internet, unfortunately. She Started studying it and then she started testing it on dogs to see what the correct amount was for a quick death. So, she started with dogs that

her sister supposedly took care of in the backyard. One of the dogs was her ex-husband's dog. Puppies, she was the daughter of [ __ ] She killed her husband's dog, man. And that wasn't all. Because look, 10 to 14 isn't enough for everyone. 10 to 14 dogs. Exactly. Because there she was testing if the poison worked, what the dose was, how quickly they died. And she was doing this proportionally to humans. It was easy. [ __ ] But dogs, my dear, it's the training. I said they train, but it's because, man, you're not agreeing with

me. You're wrong, but the dog is still, you know, fragile. He's not her son, I know, but if you look at his face like that, he... Yes, but a person like that doesn't look with that face. The objective there is to discover what the poison does, what the necessary quantity is , and how quickly it takes effect. That was it. That's what she wanted. Wow, she's really bad, isn't she? She had to kill 14 to find out. I think she didn't want to fail, but okay. She was doing the dosages because some died faster, others

took longer. The fact is, it's because she used rat poison. Rat poison causes very large internal hemorrhages. So there are hemorrhages that take longer to die from, and there are people with doses that are so fast that there's no way to stop them, right? You can't wash out a stomach, you can't do anything . There's no time. So, she discovered, for example, she did eight like that and got the answer, but she killed more because she was also enjoying killing. Of course, I get pleasure from it. She certainly killed the eighth or sixth dog; she

already knew the approximate number . She was enjoying it, and the speed. So there's pleasure in that, you know, in seeing the other suffer, whether it's another person or another animal. Then she goes on, we talked about Marcelo, right? Marcelo took four days, poor thing. And she's trying to make it up, saying it was a stabbing, but it's already clear, it was poisoning, okay? She didn't even have a stab wound, she just started to make excuses. No, that's why she's also, that's why she's also, that's why I say, I don't know if she's That smart,

that's why she's being, will be, will also be judged for obstruction of justice, because that is obstruction. Then she goes, the second victim in April, I think that's when, from January to April, I think that's when it was discovered that the guy was poisoned, she was seeing what was going to happen, nothing was happening, because Marcelo was being considered a natural death, something sudden, they didn't do an autopsy or anything, right? Later it was done. Then she meets Maria Aparecida Rodrigues through an app, okay? And then she goes to get Maria Aparecida because she has

something else to do. Maria Aparecida was a useful innocent. Uh, she starts through the app, meets a police officer, starts having an affair with a police officer, she's already in São Paulo. And then she starts making demands. I'm not a woman of dating. He said, "No, but I'm married, I'm not going to leave my wife." And he dismisses her. She starts plotting revenge because he didn't want to be with her. What does she do? She pretends. She calms down. She goes to an app, seduces this woman, okay? She goes to an app for women, seduces

this woman, makes a date with her, becomes friends through the App, and then she makes a date with this woman. I think she's with the woman twice, maybe more, I don't know. The daughter says she's never seen her there. One fine day, on April 10th, this woman tells her daughter: "Look, I'm going to meet a friend, okay? Okay, okay, I might be late, but don't worry, I'll be back, okay? Okay, okay." The next day, she goes to Ana Paula's house, goes to Maria Aparecida's house with a straight face and brings her a cake. She eats

the cake and dies. And then the next day Ana Paula arrives there, "Oh, I'm calling, she's not answering, what's happening? " You understand? Then the daughter says: "Look, the last person who saw my mother was Ana Paula." And then, worse, she takes Maria Aparecida's cell phone and sends messages to the police officer's wife saying: "He's threatening me, he wants to kill me and blah blah blah." And she puts up scattered sheets of paper with things written like this: "The policeman is no good, the policeman is evil." The policeman, she plants this and she sends the

message from Maria Aparecida's cell phone. Wow, I don't use hers. We even joked that she did what Maria de Fátima did, it all goes away. When that character Ana Clara dies, she arrives there, takes Ana Clara's cell phone to pass information, information to Heleninha. I think that's what happened. Yes, but I ask you, for example, there's that, I don't know if it's much, but you understand the mechanism, all of this was to incriminate the police officer. So that's the thing, it was only for that. She kills this woman. If the psychopath doesn't feel anything, why

would she worry about revenge? Very simple, because nobody... No, he doesn't feel anything, no. He feels anger, he doesn't feel good things, he doesn't feel love, he doesn't feel... That's not it. He only feels bad things, only bad things. How could someone also? Huh. He might have ADHD, ADHD. Why? Can a psychopath have ADHD or not? No, no. It's their impulsivity in these things. No, no. That's it. The impulsivity of a psychopath has nothing to do with the impulsivity of ADHD. The impulsivity of a psychopath is predatory impulsivity. The impulsivity of ADHD is the kind

of impulsivity where you act without thinking and then regret it right after. Ah, it's totally different. So, a psychopath can't have ADHD. Look, it's very rare, a very rare association. I wouldn't bet on it. And since psychopathy is such a larger disorder than others, Hierarchically it's what draws the most attention, it's what pulls the most, right? It's what pulls them. So they could be a bipolar psychopath, a depressive psychopath. There's no way around it. There's no such thing as a psychopath who doesn't get depressed. Yes, to get depressed you have to have guilt, regrets, even

for things you didn't do. I understand. Very depressed. You didn't do anything wrong. There are many depressed people who say: "I feel guilty for not doing something about the war there." Because she feels obligated to do something even if she can't. Damn. So this shit is very complex, because it's much more complex. So let's go here, look. Let's go here. So her involvement with Maria Aparecida only did it to stab the policeman. That's all. That woman died. Thank God it was proven she was poisoned, because otherwise that policeman would have lost just like the guy

in the truck would have lost. But the policeman, imagine, would have lost his job. She would have ruined his life. Look at the egocentrism, the narcissism of the psychopath. How could he not want me? How could he dismiss me? I understand. Look, look at the predator, right? It's like a ferocious beast. Animals don't do that, But let's suppose it kills another just to teach a lesson. It's not because it's hungry, it won't eat. It will only kill or destroy life to prove that nobody is playing games. Actually, I think there was a case of the

lions, right, of Tissavo, who were animals that killed just to prove to humans that this is my place, but that was all. In that sense, in that sense. So, poor Maria Aparecida got involved, she must have done some manipulation. Maria, Maria Aparecida's daughter, is devastated. She said, "Look, I've never seen this woman in my house. Never. It wasn't something, it was something recent. I mean, Maria Aparecida, the policewoman, she frequented apps a lot, you know, to look for victims, and she figured it out. So now we're going to the point where I'm worried, how can

people protect themselves on these apps so they don't run into an Ana, a Tinder scam, as they say. Look, I think you have to check these people's lives. Uh, I think that's too much. You have to do something else , right, people? Would you eat something from someone you've never met? I 'm picky about food, you know? I don't accept it. I've never seen anything like this, Rose here, right ? Our dear Rose here. Rose brings Gustavo a little sandwich. Brings a little cake here. It's a sandwich for Gustavo. There's always something for Gustavo to

work out with. Okay." Eh, yes, yes, yes. She also gets her açaí. No, son, for God's sake. It's just like him. No, but it's someone we know. I mean, everything's fine. You have to be very careful. Wow, mom used to talk like that, right? No, feeling strange, strange. Wow, but I keep thinking that I was here with her, I had a cake with coffee, right? Is there anything more Minas Gerais than a cake with coffee and cheese? Cornmeal cake. Look at that. Cornmeal cake. I was in BH a little while ago. It's the only cake.

I don't eat sweets, but I can't resist a cornmeal cake. So I don't. But calm down. Let's go then. Maria Aparecida, cake. Marcelo was also poisoned. No, I don't know how, but it was poisoning. It was food. Offering something. So, Maria Aparecida, poor thing, she literally got caught up in this story, just to try to ruin the PM's life, nothing more. Maria just wanted to eat. A cake too. And almost, right? Almost, because she tried to screw over the guy who delivered the delivery. Now I'm telling you, how come she didn't kill the cop or

the cop's wife too? Because the issue isn't killing. The psychopath likes to see the other person suffer. So whatever he suffers, he'll lose his whole life. Marcelo's case is because she wanted a house, she didn't want to pay rent. I understand. She was alone and he wasn't married and didn't have anything. I'm going to solve a problem here quickly. That's why it was quick. It was just a matter of logistics. In four days I need a house to live in, you understand? I don't want to live in the back of a house. I want a

slightly more spacious house. Me and my sister, I don't know. Uh, my sister will also go there. She worked to get my house and my life. For what, right? No, that's not under consideration. Then you see Neil on the 26th of April. Neil is a little different because Neil is Michele Paiva's father, who is that Okay, Michele isn't an artist, okay everyone? No, everyone. Michele Paiva de Queiroz. Michele studied with her in Rio de Janeiro, at university, okay? It seems to me she was a classmate. That's right. And she's going to São Paulo. I still

think she went To São Paulo because she couldn't stay here in Rio for some reason. Uh, Michele says so, okay? Because Michele is already in prison now and will probably say a lot of important things, because Michele knows her before. I think Michele is involved in more crimes and I think Michele might be the tip of the iceberg. Michele paid 4,000, right? It seems like it was to kill her own father. I don't know if she paid... Okay? So that's it, but I don't know. She didn't say that, okay? It seemed to me, it seems

to me that no, no, it wasn't officially said. Uh, it seems to me, that's what she said. It seems to me that she owed, Ana Paula owed Michele a favor. What favor is that? I don't know, because it's clear that Michele had a lover and Michele's lover's car was set on fire. There's something about Paula, okay? She likes poison and fire. She has a fixation with fire. She set fire to her ex-husband's house. She set fire to that ex's car, I don't know what Michele's is. There's a car that caught fire, that she set on

fire, that seems to be involved. So she says, so she even set fire to Neil's car too to cover it up. No, it's not Neil's. I think it was to stage the scene and mislead about the Cause of death. Yes, but I don't think it's Neil's. So, there's some doubt about whether it was Neil or this supposed lover of Michele's. That's being verified, okay? The fact is that she, Ana Paula, owed Michele a favor. What favor is that? I don't know. And then, uh, Michele allegedly ordered her father's death. So, what she paid for was

Ana Paula's ticket to come to Rio, okay? Ah, from Guarulhos to Duque de Caxias. That's right. And when she got there, Neil had difficulty swallowing, so he ate everything very blended in a blender. Yes, it was a feijoada, it seems. Yes, she made one, said she was going to make a super delicious feijoada for him, thanked him profusely, and blended it all, and immediately started feeling ill. Out of nowhere, Neil's other children arrived, it wasn't planned. So much so that she said she kept signaling to Michele, who was inside, that they were arriving. They took

their father, immediately put him in the car, and took him to the hospital. But the dose was very well calculated, because there wasn't time for anything, no washing, no time for anything, okay? There wasn't time for anything. Michele is already in jail. I think we're going to find out a lot more , Paula, because a person who is so intimate with another person as to ask them to kill their father knows a lot of dirt about each other. Wow, imagine asking someone to... I think, I think because, well, it's a request, it's owing a favor,

and you kill the other person's father to repay that favor, imagine what kind of favor that is , right? We're going to see all this, right? I hope the investigations start to look into this. Michele was arrested on Friday, if I'm not mistaken, last Friday in Guarulhos, okay? Then there's another boy who snuck into the deal, right? Kind of like Maria Aparecida, who is Heider Mazeis. Mazeis, on May 24th. Uh, it hasn't even been a month. Yeah, it hasn't even been a month. That's why I'm, look, escalating. Cal has this characteristic. He, he, she meets

him on the app and it seems to me that she tries to pull the pregnancy scam with her sister. The sister also helps. Uh, and he says no, he's a boy in his early twenties. He's very young. And then 21, 21, right? Very young. And then he was killed by that. It seems like a milkshake. Because of a milkshake. Now I ask you, she says: "No, who brought this milkshake?" It was me. But it could have been from the store, it could have. Why Didn't she drink the milkshake too? So, there are more hours, if

he has impulsiveness, why does she let this happen? No, I think that again she wasn't caught by the others, she said : "Ah, this is okay, right? No, they get into a frenzy to do it." I understand. It's what I told you, when it starts they start practicing. When she started, she saw that the first one worked, nobody caught her, and she did it again. Exactly. It seems like they have a fascination with that. That's what you said. She already seemed to get pleasure from the dogs, pleasure from seeing the dog suffer, from seeing it

agonize. So, she was in that rhythm and until then the pieces weren't connected. The police, by the way, the police in Guarulhos, they are very good. Yes, we saw, right? They're not very good. If they don't stop her, imagine what the police do. They are a very dedicated police force and were quick, okay, in this, because you see, in just a few months the case is already well defined and I think we're going to have much more. Then this boy died, okay? They took his cards and I don't know what else. But the poisoning couldn't

be proven because his body was taken back To Tunisia, right, but the police say it's very characteristic of the same... Same modus operandi, same death, right, in the same agonizing way. Before, if we were to delve into the story, there was a cereal killer with a brother, just like in this case her twin sister. I don't know. Could it be the same sister, Roberta, if I'm not mistaken, that's the name, confirm if Roberta is the name for us. There's something about Roberta that I'm very curious about. She exists, right? She exists. No, she exists. First

question. No, no. Of course she exists, because they both accused the guy who took the freight of attempted rape to avoid paying the freight from Rio to São Paulo. She exists. Ana Paula's ex-husband says something very interesting, that Roberta is a snake, a sly one. So, she's not a fool. Roberta even has a daughter, okay? Whom she left here and went away with her sister. It seems to me that they are much more of a duo than one might imagine, okay? Well, there's something here that I wanted to talk about, ah, the issue of her

preparing herself, she prepared herself with the dogs, okay? She was gradually dosing the poison. The thing is, when she started, she Started going about satisfying that hunger, you know, for evil. She went on without interruption, in a very small space. I just think the following, 36 years old, okay? What was her childhood like? No, I don't know. I don't even like to know. You know why? Because people try to justify evil by talking about how many animals she killed, right? Exactly. I think it's not her, I think there are many more puppies if it's Roberta.

No, it's not her. Ah, only the name is there, right? Roberta Cristina Veloso Fernandes. So, uh, she always helped with the murders, including phone calls between the two of them. In Neil's case in Duque de Caxias, when he died after giving the feijoada to the old man, she called her sister and said: "Oh, the TCC is finished." TCC is the final course project, right, that university students do. And it was finished very properly, enough chit-chat, let's go. As if to say, the work is done, I don't know if it had to be paid for or

not, but let's go. So, it's a case that everything indicates is indeed serious, because at the beginning some people thought it wasn't serious, Because they thought: "Oh, she only killed Maria Aparecida to get revenge on the police officer," as if it were a, "Oh, it was a crime of passion." Yes, now it's easy. Yes, but now it's easy, Gabriel. Now we, the police, managed to locate all the recurring cases of poisoning. Now, at the beginning the cases were isolated. Marcelo's case had already been dismissed. The police officer, Maria Aparecida, until we got to the police

officer, it was a very isolated case. Exactly. Neil is another case in another state. So, what she was caught for was because of Neil, which is what she did here, right? Yes, they were saying that because of Neil, they saw that Ana Paula was linked to a series of cases. Exactly. And they started pulling up the cases, whether she was a tenant, a friend, a partner. No, she was at every crime scene, literally. In the police officer's case, she went to the police station to report him, meaning she was participating in the investigation. How's it

going? How did he do? They caught him already. But maybe it's narcissism, egocentrism, because she thought she could actually get into the police stations and influence the investigation. Look at that person's ego. I'm not saying she's Intelligent enough, I'm saying her ego is immense, because she really thought, because the guy didn't accept her plan, that she's pregnant, so she's going to die for it. How dare the cop not want anything to do with her anymore? She's going to die for it. So it's very practical. Now, another one, the one I told you about, we went,

uh, when we talk, it's super rare. Look, this happened recently. This crime happened when it happened to me, Gu? Elizabeth Arrabaça, the last name is of Spanish origin, okay? Elizabeth Arrabaça, not long ago, okay? She's even in the Tremembé prison. She killed in a good prison, right? Not a legal prison. No, but let me tell you. Why does she go to Tremembé? Because these are high-profile cases, and if you put them in another penitentiary, in another prison, they could be killed. And why can't they be killed? No, wait a minute. Not there. So there you

are, the state, but the state is responsible because it doesn't No. But I'm saying, okay, but why doesn't Tremembé kill the other woman in there? It's very difficult, because everyone in Tremembé has committed horrific crimes, and somehow they only associate With other people who have committed crimes. People, they'll have to be mutual friends, right? What crime did you commit? Exactly. There's nobody in Tremembé, nobody who stole a chicken. I understand. Only serious things. Only very serious things. So, it ends up being very difficult for someone who commits a very serious crime to do something against

another person who committed a very serious crime. Okay, they even separate them by categories of crime. This lady with a very kind, grandmotherly face, she killed and also planned it with poisoning, okay? Same system, with poisoning. Uh, the daughter-in-law, the son was married to the Pilates teacher and wanted to separate. And she decided, like, what do you mean, separate? We're going to divide the assets. No, we can't lose money. What happened? Wow, I was already thinking, poor thing, she didn't want FAS to be alone. No, no, no. Never lose the money. It was February and

March of this year. Of this year, look, 2025, okay? So you see, it's not that rare. And then when they find out that she killed her son's wife, it reignites the following: her daughter had died recently. And then the police went to see if she hadn't Been poisoned. She, the daughter was poisoned, and the daughter was homosexual. The daughter had been having an affair for a long time with a woman and had broken up. The mother was all happy because the daughter, if I'm not mistaken, was a veterinarian, successful, and didn't have children. The mother

thought that whatever happened, everything would fall to her. Look at the ego of this mother, like, I'm going to live forever to enjoy my children's assets, right? Because she was worried about her daughter-in-law, she solved her daughter-in-law's problem. So, everything is still under investigation, it hasn't been decreed yet. The daughter-in-law's case is, but everything points to her. This is being investigated because they exhumed the body of the woman who killed her own daughter, because the daughter had said she got back together with that girlfriend. And she didn't like it because they wanted to adopt a

child, have children, build a family. She didn't think it was prudent because then her daughter's inheritance wouldn't go to her. Wow. Exactly. Now everything is indicated. Why didn't she do something with her life? I think, look, an old lady... because people have something else, right? Like they think women are never wicked, never psychopaths, people Also think old people are always sweet. Grandma Benta. Who gave the apple to Snow White? It was a grandma. It was Grandma. I always say that psychopaths get old, right? The scoundrels, the psychopaths, whoever was caught at their peak... because that's

my question too, right? And we only know about those who get caught and those who don't, right? Exactly. Many, because we don't have a police system equipped to detect repeat crimes. We have many serial killers in Brazil, many, I have no doubt about that. It's not just in the state, because our police force isn't integrated. Why isn't it integrated? Well, my dear, that's a great question. I think we have to ask those who have the right to do this to enable this interconnection in a time when everything is connected, right, at the touch of a

button. The police still have a lot of difficulty, because the crime that a person commits, for example, in Ceará, they commit. Then, when they think they're going to get caught, they move to Rio Grande do Sul, they move to Acre, and they continue. And it's very patterned too, right? Like I was seeing in that documentary, when they started doing this study on serial killers, psychopaths and everything, Right? They had to go to each penitentiary to look at the prisoner who wasn't classified as a psychopath. Well, it doesn't classify and, you know, research with him, why

you did this, how you did this, if they calmly explain that they created these patterns, but if we're going to think about the patterns, it's Robert Hair's checklist, but that's the thing, this is what they said and what they didn't say, because they don't have the negative memories, how do we do it? They know everything. They know everything, they repeat, they know, they don't forget, they just don't mind repeating the mistake. Now, the questionnaire produced by Robert Hair... He detects everything, don't fight it, he catches it, he catches it, it has to be trained professionals,

you know, police officers who could talk to and identify this type of pattern, because look, but there is, look, in Brazil, the Robert Hair checklist questionnaire is ready, validated for Brazil. Robert R validated it, he came here and said: "I'm not going, he validated it." Professor Hilda Morano from São Paulo did all this work, brought the guy, the guy validated it, did everything, and then she created a Bill that had to pass in the Assembly of Deputies so that the checklist could be applied in prisons. There was no thought of applying it to the corporate

world, nothing like that, because it was never put on the agenda, it never went to a vote, it never came up and fell through, because if it doesn't go on the agenda, there comes a time when it disappears. We have a congress that isn't interested, we have a congress that has never had any interest in knowing who the recoverable prisoners in the system are and who are not recoverable, which would make all the difference. A psychopath is never recoverable, right? He hinders those who can be recovered. So, yes. And they are not the majority. In

the prison system, they are between 15 and 25%. If we were to think about socioeconomic policy, how much does a psychopath in prison cost the government? Because he causes 10 who would be released to generate jobs and income to remain in prison working for him. Yes, he is that 15, 25% who contaminates the rest, the 75, right, who would be recoverable and productive. So, uh, of course we're going to see female psychopaths Who have done horrible things, but I thought it was important to highlight Elizabeth, the real character, right? Because you look at this lady—it

was very interesting at the police station—she carries a shawl to cover her face, so worried about her image, right? And if you consider that she's someone capable of killing her daughter-in-law, and everything indicates, as the investigations are going, her own daughter, she kills her. I don't believe this was the first time. I don't believe it. It's an escalation. The psychopath escalates. I'll stop to think about it, right? Things happen very quickly, like, "I'm going to solve a problem." And the son was an accomplice, right? The son was her accomplice, in this case, I don't know.

In the case of his girlfriend, I don't know if she was his girlfriend or wife, I think she was his wife. They lived together, right? The Pilates teacher, a really nice person. Now, a question. Is psychopathy genetic? Look, there's a genetic component, but there's nothing in human behavior that has a single cause. You are a complex being, because we are complex beings. So you have genetic influence, you have psychosocial influence, you have environmental and cultural influence, but Psychopaths exist in any society. This is super important; there isn't a single society that doesn't have them. Do

you remember when we were in Portugal in May? I remember. Wow, in Portugal, at least in Lisbon and Porto, we walked around peacefully. No, we didn't have any problems with violence. But do you remember Fernanda telling us about the guy who was the killer on the bridge? Fernanda, if you have that episode, thank you very much for spoiling my view, right? Because we saw it, what a beautiful bridge, where the psychopath was killing people, and she said: "Yes, because there was a guy who started killing people, people disappearing." Then one day they were doing some

work on the bridge and they started finding bodies. So, this proves that serial psychopaths exist all over the world, everywhere. Of course, good public policies aimed at this, making the system more efficient, make us appear as victims. That's the big thing. But they exist, that's why we talk about it, that's why we have to be attentive, that's why It's like this: talking to someone on the street you don't know, it's one thing to be kind, polite, the basics of a mother, right? Not talking to strangers, not accepting anything from strangers , right? Because I was

never told, "Don't talk," but rather, "Don't accept anything from people you've never seen." That was always the case, I remember. And we know, right, that it even starts... For example, that's not the case here, right? But pedophiles start attracting children at school gates by giving them candy, and it's like, "Your father asked you to get toys," or "Toys," or not, like, "Oh, you don't want this, do you? Take a toy," or "Oh, look at this," and the children start calling each other. Now, how do you imagine the future of these investigations will be? What do

you think might be behind it? I think you can continue in the next episode, okay? Guys, we've run into a little bit of a rush here. So, in the next episode, the doctor will come and talk a little bit. We'll have more data this time too. Let's see what we'll find, because it seems that the more you dig, the more things appear. I have no doubt. And this lady here, I think we 'll find a lot more. Yes. And do they continue searching or not after it's already started? No. Yes, yes, of course. Because they're

investigating whether she killed her own daughter, because we talk so much about children killing their parents, right? Uh, Susane and others. Uh, but killing a daughter is difficult. And a daughter who did nothing. I mean, this daughter was a nice, good professional, like [__] was. If it turns out that the brother helped, then it's [__]. No, I don't know. What did he help with and was an accomplice in the case of his wife? Yes. Okay, but because he didn't want to divide the assets. But I keep thinking about killing a daughter because she rekindled a

romance with someone she'd been in a relationship with for 5 years and decided to start a family, and she's killed because she couldn't have that family so as not to divide the money. Yeah, it's difficult, it's sad, right? Yeah, it's something that I can't even understand how a person gets to that point, right? Thank goodness, thank goodness we have indignation. That's right. So, if you liked this episode, I think it's hard not to like it, right? But it's a really bad subject, but we have to talk a little about it To warn those people who,

whether they want to or not, are very lonely these days, right? It's hitting hard, if we look at the data, it's alarming, saying that people can't go on dating apps to meet people, but be careful. No, don't go in with an open mind, but with caution. Go in with a lot of caution. Which is great, because if it's meant to work out, it will work out. Now, if it's meant to go wrong, it can go very wrong. So there's no rush. Don't be in a hurry. I forgot the name of that professor, he's very good.

He says this, right? Don't be in a hurry, but don't waste time. Exactly. They are different things, right? So if you liked this video, leave a like below, comment, send it to someone you think is important. That friend who met a friend, a colleague on the other side of the planet, we can talk about that later too, okay? Very common. Give him a heads-up, send him this video, look at these patterns, try to understand a little more, and leave your questions down here too. Don't forget your questions. The more complete and detailed they are, the

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