Entrevista com Dr. Hew Len ( Ho'oponopono) Leg - português completo

Uh good afternoon my name is Rita Montgomery and we are sitting here in uh The Inn at 2113 17 Mile Drive in Pacific growth California and uh I have the pleasure of uh having an interview with Dr hughen and present with me also is Rick Moss Dr Rick moss and Marvin greo we have some questions I have some questions of Dr hen uh please tell me how do I pronounce your first name is it Hela is that right E thank you yeah um so uh I'm wanting to speak with you especially about uh some of

the ideas that you bring up in the book zero limits written about you by joali and um perhaps you could start out by explaining a little bit about this idea of 100% responsibility for uh ones self and uh an entirely different idea of what the self is according to the system that you uh speak about well I think Shakespeare said it better than I um if you read sonth 146 um Shakespeare says poor soul um and and so Shakespeare is saying the basic idea is that there are tragedies in our Our Lives because we don't

take a look at where the where the origin of the problem is and it's always in C so the tragedy being in life is that we're clueless and we repeat the same thing over and over and over again and so um when I wor at for example when I worked at Hawaii State Hospital uh um working with people killed bre and murder people I had to ask the question what is going on in me that I I am experiencing this I'm experiencing a patient being violent I'm experiencing um staff going crazy that sort of stuff

and uh so having to take 100% responsibility for that what's going on in me that I'm creating this experience and so I just do this cleaning and the cleaning Theona is about going into the self and Specifically into the subconscious and where the data is and since everything is run by information so the information in my subconscious is saying is dictating to me what I'm seeing what I'm experienced it's like in Shakespeare's Tempest where Miranda says oh woe is me to see what I see see so Miranda has this Insight that she's only seeing with

data and so and so it is with me and so it is with all of you and so I just work on the data in me that I that I Experience as quotes the other person so if I see you as being crazy and Goofy it's only my experience of you if I erase that you can't be that way not possible and so that's what I mean to be 100% responsible being 100% responsible is taking responsibility for what is going on you that you experience of whatever could I ask you to clarify just a little

point you said what is it in me that is experiencing this could you clarify what you mean by experiencing do You mean perception do you no I don't even mean that I'm not I the perception perception is not perception is really a end product or consequence of data playing in the subconscious so again coming back to Miranda Miranda is saying I only can see what I see because the data is seeing what I see so Miranda is is really speaking what shakespare says the mind is but it's just a stage and the data runs around

on the stage and the data is really um what is going on And so if the data is such that I'm say I'm making I'm experiencing I'm suffering or I'm experiencing people being goofy then I have to be responsible for that what's going on in me and it's simply data playing and more specifically memories rep playing in subconscious and those can be erased I think that is probably the most profound thing about this whole Pon is that you can erase data could you give us an example of What it feels like or looks like for

data to be erased or is that not something that can be done in this kind of setting I'm I'm not sure what you're asking could you give us an example of cleaning I mean how do we erase the data within our own minds is that something that could be disc of course um it's you can teach it trees can do it cars can do it anybody can do it but the idea is the most fundamental question one needs to Know is the question who am I and most people have no idea about who they are

and therefore are not uh allow um the data in them to speak for them as opposed to choosing to not have the data by erasing it and so um it's coming back to great saves like Jesus Jesus said love your enemies and your only enemy is the memory playing that you experience as the Judgment anger resent and hate annoyance and so the Whole point point is about falling in love with the data and saying to the anger I love saying to the memory that replays the anger I love you thank you for showing up and

giving you one more chance to free you and so the whole Pon is just simply saying I love you thank you when the data is erased what is the self that remains is it um a unique self that is got created is it individuated or is it just pure self so so let let me come back at you So I would ask you who's talking who's asking the question well that would be the data and because the the other part of me would know the answer to that yeah but I'm saying since the data is

talking you can erase the data so I'm saying to people no matter if you have question you'll never be able to get at what is going on because the data is running you and the idea is to get to see um we historically have come from this notion that you can decode things So the Greek come along and Greek said well let's examine let's analyze but Theon is not about examining or analyzing hon is about letting go the data so when the data is erased you are what Buddha called in the space of void or

what Shakespeare calls you're in the state of of blank and it is when you are in that state of emptiness void and blank then this inspiration comes through what quantum physics called The Phantom Force of Nothing so it's a state of nothingness I'm sorry I'm sorry it's a state of nothingness that you're desing you have to really be careful because um one has to be as precise as possible no thought no not not no thought no data plan so so what does that mean to have no data free that means you're free you're you're absolutely

free when no data place and when you and it's only at Freedom or I'll use another word Clarity Clarity is defined as no data Planing no data meaning no memory replaying in the subconscious that one the experiences so let's say you get it you get the Mind back to zero is what Jesus call the stone of the foundation and only on that Foundation then can you build something and then out of that Foundation comes the inspiration and so you are moved by Perfect information as opposed to being in dead then using dead information but most

of the time we're Dead we we without realizing we're stuck in old data and we're dead and the whole p is about releasing the the death and the debt so we we basically have a mortgage in our souls and we don't even know that and we we because we're not conscious of it or not even aware of it we're stuck in it and we we're just going to suffer and and it doesn't have to be so but you can you can erase the data back to zero and that back at zero out of nothing comes

this Phantom Force of inspiration you dat there's so much of um our operating in the world that depends upon language and thought so when you only if you say so okay so you're other words now we're stuck in that data cuz you have you have said something that's just a story and the data is telling you what to say and you're stuck and that means if you're stuck I'm stuck okay so let me try to phrase it another way you cannot phrase it another way there's no other way you Can phrase that if you in

zero let me try it another time can can you be in zero State and have language but you you're going to be in zero State and have perfect you're going to say whatever is perfect and right and everything in other words let's say you're at zero that means the whole world the whole Cosmos becomes zero that means everything gets enlightened so the so he gets enlightened the chair gets enlightened But they don't get enlightened from from me they get enlightened directly from the source and so then the language is perfect and it's it's a language

in which you're not even aware it's what the what the artists call inspiration but all of a sudden van goost or um these great artists just do it well how did you do it I don't know I just did it yeah that's the language of love and art Truth beauty Beyond Comprehension yeah if one if one takes responsibility for everything and everyone everything that's going on in that person yes then the idea of free will that each has a will to choose or a decision or to choose for themselves how they want to grow change

heal that would not be a point that you would recognize is that correct well depends on again we have to be really precise I'm going to come back and ask you so when you say Free Will what does that mean to me it means the right to choose against what is natural the right to hold on to one's programming the right to uh to um separate oneself and one mind from Source see what happens is that that at any given moment 11 million bits of information is playing for which you are unconscious of yes so

it's driving you so you don't have free will but you have Choice the choice is like Shakespeare is saying to be or not to be free of the data you have that choice but the data is going to run you the only question is what data is going to run you is it going to be inspiration or is it is going to be memory which is dead Stu mhm so that's the choice but you don't one doesn't have free will um can I can I approach the question differently cuz it's not yeah let's talk about

the people at Hawaii state hospit by changing yourself you you Changed them because they are part of yourself has the language correct well I think I think what happens is like with you before before before I I I came here I got the address so I did the cleaning on the address um I did the cleaning on this camera and on your camera because I don't know what he took before and that will interfere with what's going on now and and so I'm taking 100% responsibility because peace begins with Me so if I show up

and I'm not peaceful you can't be peaceful yourself and so I'm only here because only for one purpose and that is to make Commandments for whatever for whatever yeah and I don't know what the what that whatever is consciously but there are parts of me that know what that is and so my job is just to begin the the being 100% responsible by doing the cleaning yeah but I don't know what Getting cleaned up I'm clueless um when uh I get the impression that you uh make many of your decisions of your actions based upon

uh petitioning Divinity to make a choice as to to act in one way or to act in another way is that right again we're going to have to be really precise now I I do the cleaning that's my job to get back to zero I Want to Be Free okay that's the my only purpose for being on this planet Is I got garbage and uh which is mortgage on my soul and I want to let go of the garbage so I can be free and so at Freedom the information comes from the source yes but

I won't even know it I won't I can't say oh I got the information that's not my job my job is just to keep cleaning non-stop and let it let it unfold however it's going to unfold because 11 million inspiration coming in I'm I'm not even not even Aware of that so what is cleaning like can you describe what your cleaning process is yeah cleaning is only saying I'm sorry please forgive me for whatever data is going on in me that I need to make aend for and so if someone calls you up like me

and says would you come and speak with us so then what do you do I clean and and then what happens well if I clean enough then we go oh okay it's okay to do it and I do it okay if I Clean and I don't get to do it I won't do it and there are many interviewers which I have not done because I don't get to do it and I'm not making that decision it's the information in me that's making the decision and not me how do you know that I don't know that

no I mean how do you know to come I don't know that I just do it and then it says go and then I tell him it's okay but I don't it isn't like a process where you go oh I got it it's Something that has to be worked on and cleaned on and like a rose it just begins to un flow and at some point you I just because I've been doing this for I don't know almost three decades it just I hav it sure can I ask question that point do you believe it's

possible some people believe they can ask a question and get a yes or no answer there's psycho Kinesiology there's the use of pendulums things of that nature that allow one to Proce reive that they're receiving an answer do you do you believe that that's possible well but I I I want to come back at you again please um for me the only way the only way the reason I I'm here is for only for the purpose of cleaning okay that's I'm clear about that and so um the cleaning the purpose of the cleaning is is

to free up the data so I don't know exactly what you're talking About if I were if I were to use a pendulum I would make sure that I would be data free and then and then I would ask yeah but but the pendulum if you're if you're not if you're not at zero you'll get funny answers based upon your own scripts and your ideas I like that but based I would be more precise based on memories data in the computer Bank yeah and so how would you suggest that people begin the Enterprise of of

Cleaning I I don't even do that I just do the cleaning myself and if people want to learn it they show up yeah like you here I am yeah so well I I for for example in in years ago I had somebody say to me convince me that I should take this class and I said to we don't do any marketing I don't do any of that sort of stuff I mean it's a decision and a choice that you have to make on your own I'm not here to make any money if I was here

to make money I'm in the wrong business yeah I've been doing marketing for you up and down the coast I see just because I I knew it was such a wonderful opportunity for people to meet you yeah um I I I I'm still trying to wrap my mind around what the cleaning process C is like on an experiential level well again you have data a data May ex may I may experience the data as I don't like you Okay let's say that data says under my in my mind I'm going oh my God and I

have to put up with this stuff BL and like go oh I get to clean with that right what's going on in me right and I didn't know I had it right so I can say to that data in me I love you thank you for giving me one more chance to let you go so that I can be free so the ponopono is about about saying I'm sorry please forgive me and then the I'm sorry please forgive me can be said in Different way I love you thank you blueberries M&M the whole kitten of

boo yeah but the notion is that that it's my responsibility totally so I have nothing to do with you right yeah and so you're talking to not the person but to to myself yourself I'm spe specifically I'm talking to this inner child in me who who is suffering because I'm holding on so the hopono is you're asking question but it's an engagement process you like You say you're trying to wrap yourself around it Theon is about let him go right just let go boom the data goes and all of a sudden you get inspiration to

do something you never it never came up for you to do right yeah in the uh introduction to zero limits Jo Bal talks about programs that go back to the beginning of existence could you talk a little more about that yeah when when coming back again to Shakespeare and um when we were initially created at the Beginning we were nothing blank no data perfect in every way didn't have to think didn't have to make money didn't have to do any of this sort of stuff no data play and then other of that other of that

no data which is what what Buddha call uh void up comes this what Buddha call Enlightenment which is the source of the light and then that source of the light decided and I don't know why and how come and I'm not interested decided to Create each one of us and created each one of us infinite itely zero so that's how we began and so what does it mean to be infinitely zero means we experience Heaven on Earth Nana art Beauty love until something come came along um and it it brought Darkness yeah are you in

that state of bliss Nirvana If I was in that state I would not be here sitting with you guys I'm here because I have stuff to to let go but clearly you've had a considerable degree of success uh based upon you're having emptied the psychiatric hospital I don't know what that means success uh assisted assisted in a healing for people no I didn't assist I only took care of me I'm responsible I'm not I wasn't interested in them they they were just they just came along in my life and said hello you Got stuff you

should let go I oh okay so I'm I didn't do it for them they're just mirras then to yourself um more more importantly more specifically more precisely that we had shared shared memories yeah yeah so um this notion about healing people is still I I didn't do that I'm know here to clean up what was going on in me that kept him goofy that kept them stuck in the hospital that's that's what I came I Came along to do that to do it on me not them and if they benefited okay but I that wasn't

my that wasn't my orientation that wasn't my focus my focus was to be free yeah so anyone who comes in front of you in any way or before or before you have relationship with that person on some you have shared data and um do you feel a sense of compassion towards the People that you you're funny what what does that mean compassion uh a heartfelt um connection you want me to be deadly honest with you yes please it's stuff it's it's like when you're free at zero you have nothing you're free you're not even in

love you're not you're not having any of this stuff you hear the garbage that he you're nothing that's what Jesus said Jesus said listen you Know seek ye first the kingdom which is nothingness and you shall see God that's what I'm interested I'm interested in seeing the god in you guys okay I'm not interested so if I see the god in you I'm okay I'm I'm fine that's you're it's the data if I can get let go of the data which is the mortgage on my soul I get back to zero then I'm going to

see what Jesus said I'm going to see God and nothing but yeah nothing but and because you guys Were already perfect it was the imperfection was the data in me not in you so this notion about saving or clearing out the hospital is is funny the whole universe laughs that that universe is not interested in Saving anybody the universe is interested in one being 100% responsible then the universe will will sing Hallelujah but did that event happen then that was the event that's described in in the book about you working in the Psychiatric hospital what

about it did it happen what happened did it h so happen that you did cleaning on uh yourself and that those people were healed and let let me be really more precise it's very important to be precise when I showed up at the hospital it isn't a job I wanted to do right but I had a friend there who said we we we need some help and I I said well I can do it just give me the name of the people I can do it From wherever I don't have to be there well um

we can't do it because it's confidential so I said okay and maybe after a year or two I finally relinquished and went so when I showed up um there all the all the seclusion rooms were used and there were people um several people daily in Restraint physical that sort of strength um there were there was um really verbal and physical violence on the world so I Just in my cleaning what what's going on in me that I'm experiencing like the toilet is Flushing with nobody on them the shower turning on with nobody you know and

so I began the cleaning and months later um without making an effort the seclusion rooms went nobody ended up in the seclusion rooms um the the violin sto um whereas they would take several years to turn around time for people to go Home they were going home maybe after what I was there about 4 years maybe the turnaround time was 3 or 4 months and so essentially that's what I did just work on myself yeah so um whereas they didn't have any kind of um uh work program we we started doing things like uh making

cookies started out that was a wonderful project can you Imagine supposedly all these crazy people making cookies but um making cookies polishing shoes um washing cars things that they nobody ever thoughted do and and I didn't plan it it just did it it I didn't go well let's see whether we can do something make new job didn't happen that way so um so what I sorry and then and then and then no one could leave this unit without a PH signature but maybe I don't know year or two down the road they were able we

were were able to have a jogging program tennis program yeah but I didn't do anything I just was clean on myself and just kind of watch and then be AED by what God can do huh wow I should do more cleaning huh instead of being annoyed and irritable yeah certain people would end up on the certain staff would come on the ward and the W would go crazy I Would notice that so I would clean with that as opposed to I notice when Mrs what her name comes everybody goes crazy oh what's going on in

me when this is what's her name shows up and work on that yeah and does does this go to past lives or do you not deal with I don't deal with that sort I'm just deal with memories what what's going on in me that I'm experiencing this yeah now there may be those things that'll come up U but I'm more Interested in just targeting what's going on in me datawise that I'm experiencing you so if I'm experiencing you however 11 million of which I'm not even aware of that I'm experiencing you I'm I'm willing to

do the cleaning because I'm clueless absolutely Clueless have you um Dr hen had the experience of um setting your intention to do cleaning on a situation say someone who was uh within yourself someone came in front of You who was terminally ill and you did some cleaning um it within yourself but the person still died have you had the experience I don't I don't know what you're talking about this notion about intention again is a is a concept it's just database Cas that nobody has intentions this notion I mean the people who make a lot

of money don't intend to make a lot of money they just do because that there's some data in them that creates them but but to claim that see How good I am but you look at the financial situation the people who are so supposedly good wrote all these books while we're finding out there they were otherwise so I don't the the notion of intention is is foreign to me I don't know what that me okay maybe I'll use a different word then if but have you been in the circumstance all the time where someone makes

all the time and so all the time I had a I just came back from Japan I had This woman come up to me and and and little lady and beautiful lady she said I I was I I have been diagnosed as having terminal candada I'm going to be dead in 3 months and so I just did the cleaning she came up she looked at me she hugged me as I hugged her I did the cleaning but listen I'm not God sure but I mean I'm not God I'm not here to save anybody that's the

divinity's job not mine my job is to say I'm sorry please forgive Me I'm not I'm not here to act as God to say well if I clean I can save you I don't do that can you tell us more specifically what you did within yourself when that woman was cancer showed up what did you clean within yourself so I said as I was hugging her I said to the deine thank you for giving me this opportunity for this lady to come up so that I can look at myself what's what's going on in me

that I I I would like to make a m for and so I said To Divinity I'm sorry for whatever is going on in me and there are specific cleaning tools I use that unique to me but basically I'm asking if any I'm sorry please forgive me for whatever is going on in me that this woman should show up in my life experiencing my experiencing her saying to me I I've been diagnosed now one of the things I had to work on cuz um um I just had to work on this whole judgment about somebody

saying that Somebody's going to die in three months I had to work on that one yes and and again um people can't help if a doctor says she you only got three months to live he can't help it that's the data in here so now only only question is who's going to at some point Who's going to start deleting the data but it's so easy yeah can we delete all the data I'm sorry can we delete all the data that's that's that's a divinity's job not Mine my job is to appeal Divinity is job is

to eras so I can't say the Divinity like occasionally I say come on hurry up hurry up did did Buddha delete delete all the data as far as you can tell you'll have to talk to so do you when you think of enlightened Masters on the planet you don't necessarily think of them with data deleted then or do you no I'm more interested like in somebody I'm not interested whether Shakespeare is a is a A a a a risen master I'm more interested in some insights that I could I could use to get some of

these ideas across for example Shakespeare's I think the notion that poor soul how of that know poor soul um these Rebel powers that the aray so Shakespeare's already say hello the the sin or the error is in the soul so I go oh yeah that's that's sure it's not out there some place it's a rebel power of what Shakespeare called po beon grievances forgone it's played before It's going to play again the tragedy we don't know that that's the tragedy we don't know that the data runs us that's the tragedy and so we're going to

repeat it over yes over and over have you reached a point in your own Evolution where you can see where the data runs you and where you are clear um sometimes but rarely I'm I'm I don't I'm more I'm more interested in keeping The cleaning going nonstop I I don't go that rout I'm I'm I'm because I'm I'm I'm absolutely clear in my soul that the Divinity has given me one more chance to do to make amends for whatever is going on in me so I'm clear that my only purpose for existence is to free

myself so I can be free and once more be in line with the the light and be being light so yeah do you have um an experience at times why are you laughing Do you have an experience at times of feeling like like you're in the groove like you're in perfect alignment like there are there moments where I I never look for that but there are times in which I experience like like absolute love for my friend here I that I can experience um I have children and grandchildren of which I do the cleaning cuz

I want to make sure that I'm not attached to them any anyway So that they can get the information directly from the from the Divinity not from me so I'm just cut cut cut cut cut cut cut all the time and occasionally and when I get a call from my my my children my two two daughters 30 plus um I can feel love for them when you say cut are you talking about cutting a cords yeah cut I'm talking about erasing memories in me that I experienc them as quotes judging them how come they don't

do this way they don't do that all That and they're beautiful my children are um beautiful but my responsibility for them is to is to set them free from any grasp that I have under which is memor like trying to grab them would that include loving memories a memory is a memory so it's a dead memory there's no such thing as as a a good good memory so to set them free from memories would be not to remember any of the past that you've ever had Together or to to at some point to see them

as Gods now you say or yeah be they're mutually exclusive oh of course because if I if I have if I have and you know I I'm going to be cleaning with them to to the day I die just the way it is I mean they're there I experience them and I want to make sure I'm just cutting these times so that they get the information directly from the Dominion not from meh so am I Sure um I'm never sure I I don't go that well I just keep cleaning and cleaning you you speak or

maybe it's Joe that references the experience of Wonder and the importance of the experience of Wonder Could you talk talk a little more about that I'm more experi I'm more interested in the experience of Freedom more than one day yeah you it's interesting cuz that question brings up there was a chap they called himself chap yes in Australia who who I was Giving I gave a lecture and he kept saying now wait a minute you mean you don't want us to be curious that's his comeback I said well to be at to be at zero

you can be in all but if you you want to take curiosity instead of oh be my guest yeah it's hard to to put things down um only because um I I am I'm never certain if I'm inspired or not and and to be to be very honest I don't care I'm just doing the cleaning just not Stop so I don't have any intentions to for example um people will call me I used to do these things I don't do anymore um like um there's a young man in Hawaii who um he having a very

difficult um quote his mother is saying he has very he's having difficult time people don't like him he's not doing well at school and so I'm reading the email doing the cleaning what's going on in me this is this is showing up and then she asked um how to how to help him And I had to reminder you're not helping him it's only about you what's going on in you that you experience him that way do you take individual clients I I used to maybe 20 years ago but I don't do that anymore yeah better

that they should learn how to do it on their own huh put us out of business so we can be vacationing here in monay traing around the world I'm curious um what in you is uh creating your Commitment to such a rigorous teaching schedule somebody asked me that but they asked me in a different way this is the way they asked me they asked me how did you come how did you how did you come around to doing this and I said I don't know life is a mystery and I just happen to be here

in this moment and there are all the forces and I have no idea how these forces brought me here U but I'm clear I'm clear though I'm here to clean with you you chair the bo this guy the Camera the that thing is going to get on the internet going to get on going to get on shows and the shows are all generated by oil you know that right you're you have a cell phone yes you know what the source the power of that cell phone is oil with the oil that you you you guys

wouldn't have any couldn't generate a cell phone message all look back so I'm cleaning with that the rape of Mother Earth I know we're raping mother Earth and but we can't help it so I'm I have to remind myself nobody can help it everybody's stuck in programs and so somebody's got to get to the cleaning and I'm willing to do it Marvin's willing to do it more and more people around the world are willing to do it you have um I guess the answer I was looking to to that last question is I I had

in mind the possibility that you had the hope that many people would be doing This work and that we might change uh if nobody showed up I would do it anyway but would it not be your hope or maybe you don't hope that that there would be don't you think don't you think it's a form of manipulation I've thought that well I can erase that then [Music] if you're not I can work on that I I I I'm I want to get to zero uh so that that the people who who Are divinely correct to

come will come right that's like I'm not I'm not here to promote anything I'm not at least I'm not I'm not intending to do it I'm not conscious I'm going I may be but I I I think it's uh it's a disservice to people to promote something and then have them come when when for them divinely it's not correct to to be wherever they they end up being you know in other words Pro promotion speaks To their memories yeah and stimulates their memories yeah but can promotion also speak to them as and and stir them

to want to erase them if if if I clean let's say I clean and seven there are 8 billion people out there if I clean and I get myself back to zero even for an instant everybody will get back to zero then it's the Divine in them that will will choose to to do it or not to do it not not some promotion on my part or some manipulation on my part Yeah and the book that Joe wrote about you or with you yeah is is that a manipulation is that how do you see the

book um well it depends on what page you're [Laughter] on depends on what page you on how do you feel well but I cleaned before so like with you um he had asked me months and months and months if I would do a book with him and I I I did the cleaning I heard no no no just like with you guys and at some point I heard yes so I did it now I'm responsible for every point in every letter in the book so there are people who will ask me certain things and um

have having not read all of the book myself yeah yeah so but I I my my own sense um he he did I he he's a nice guy and and so I he Shows up for me to clean and I clean and I heard do it and so sometimes somebody will ask me like you asked me well what does Joe Bali think about it I said you'll have to talk to Bud do that I can't speak with him if we have a subconscious yeah then that's where memories are stored and some people say it's the

physical body that is the subconscious yeah what about a chair what about um what we would not maybe call an in adamant object that Does not have a subconscious where does it store its memories it does have a this this thing is a lie this thing is telling me who sat here all the people sat here this thing is telling me where the where the material came from it's it's it's talking you it's it's talk I'm just doing the cleaning um so this chair like you has the three cells it has the has a superconscious

conscious and subconscious so it isn't there's no such thing as an inanimate Object and for example you can talk to the camera you can say to the cam how many cameras do you have um Alex so you can say to the camera well we're going to we're going to tape this guy um H land so can you what do you think about that you can talk to the Camas and the cameras will tell you I don't know about that and then then let's say he knew how to do the cleaning and I said well let's

let's do the cleaning and so he does the cleaning and Maybe the camera will change his mind so when photographers say the camera loves you they're speaking more than they know absolutely absolutely absolutely even I had uh to show you how how goofy this thing can be I had a a friend of mine who married a guy who wasn't doing very well in the in the in the construction business and then when like 40,000 he made and then maybe 3 years later after she married he he made 3 million but she She knew that her

job was to to work on all of the projects talk to all of the projects and so one day he was having trouble I think putting up a scaffold or something and so she did the cleaning and she heard the nails she heard the nails said we we just can't get along can't get along so if you can't get nails to even get along then you can't put up the scaffold you know the scaffold won't work so the idea is you have to be able to talk to everything Get them ready like little children you

have to say okay here we're starting a new project here's the address here and then you you begin the you begin the cleaning right away and then the right contractors will show up I mean and the right banking will show up the right whatever but it's everything is alive so everything has the three selves yeah I've seen the kind of um uh process happened that you're describing where everything just drops Into alignment with the plan but um uh how is it uh would you encourage every one to learn to have the facility that you have

of talking to furniture and talking to a plan and talking to all the forces that go into making something work whoever shows up over the weekend and at this lecture I'm going to is that talk yeah but I'm not going to get yell the rest of the world said come on come on I have something I'm going to tell you about you you you can really use That that's um that's an imposition yeah um yeah it's an imposition it's not a gift it's an imposition yeah my job is to is to do my cleaning and

and then if I'm if I do my cleaning get back to zero everybody will get back to zero that's my that's only perfect I'm here and then people show up because they would like to however they've heard it and they Would like to know more I'm willing to do that because I can get more people to clean then I I'm going to have more Enlightenment huh great as oppose my my light bul my children said dad your lights up say thank you are there certain activities that you engage in in life that help you to

get to zero more than others yeah right eating the eating cleaning Foods drinking liquids that are cleaning Um plant having plants in your in your environment that clean of course when you are doing uh cleaning are you going into an altered state of consciousness you're just uh doing it from your conscious mind and trusting that well I'm I'm hoping I'm I'm doing it consciously but I'm hoping I've talked to my subconscious who is a computer bank that that the subconscious has been has heard me enough I've fall in love with it and have said has

asked It please help me with the cleaning and so I I've downloaded every information that I know about the cleaning and so my subconscious knows it and it will do the cleaning are there any guides or angels that help one with cleaning if you eat blueberries for example blueberries erase memories and open up Angelic kingdoms wow yeah could you speak to to us a little about Angelic kingdoms um what would you like to know um are there levels to them do They interact with I don't know those things I I don't I don't know that

route all I know is one day I was cleaning years ago and um said why don't you try a blueberri okay and I said well what do you say I said well I can see these Angelic Kingdom and and then that was it the discussion ended I didn't hear whether they were levels and stret down I didn't hear any of that do you mean like nature Spirits when you speak of angels I don't Know what that is like they people say that there are little people that are guardians of plants and the and the Earth

no I'm talking about Angelic Kingdom other other universes other dimensions that open up stretch open you eat you eat one blueberry just just stretches and your mind goes wow yeah and you may not be conscious of it that's the 11 million for what you're not conscious right and it's different with blackberries than blueberries I Don't know about blackberries I know blueberries I know strawberries I think strawberries for example deal with women's hatred for men Lots there you know that's right I forgot all about that why don't you tell us a little bit about women's hatred

for men well I I'm going to go back to a story and the story is probably um they have similar stories across culture so Anyway um this is a Los Angeles story so Divinity said hello Heaven on Earth now you get you you get you get this experience go ad goes yeah he go yeah wow incredible and so dein then says now you see that tree over there that's the tree of knowledge I wouldn't I wouldn't eat that stuff you see that Apple I wouldn't e it because you don't need it you're already perfect well

maybe zills of Lifetime he says toam come on we got to eat that because I think he's keeping a secret from us and then Along Comes the so-called serpent part of the yeah yeah so finally they eat it and then Jesus go not sorry I take it back God comes along and in his long Rob and you can hear squishy and then he said he goes there's a different in vibration in this this and Adam says what what does Adam say Adam says she made me do it That's she made me do it that's the

story of women abused neglected back that but but she made me do it and so women end up for example with menopause Rage that's that's Rage that's the kind of stuff that that can be prevented but that's the that's rage menopause is Rage yep thought I just thr that in now for a good measure rage prevented by cleaning oh Yeah could it could be worked on but it but you you know it's better to work on it before than wait till towards the end all of a sudden you mean the sensation of menus is Rage

or the the the symptomology it's rage you're talking about hot flashes and stuff like that yes rage it's it's it's it's it isn't quote natural it's not a natural speed I can't imagine God would create somebody and Create you and say I'm going to make you suffer I can't imagine that but where did it come from well came from she made me do it so we have a lot ofon they got more than a lot so that's women's rage towards men what about men's rage towards women well but see see now you're going you're you're

moving in a way the question I would ask if I were a woman what's going on in me that I can clean this thing up As opposed to looking outside and say why why did you do that to me and you should get your act together yeah actually the qu sorry Rick one of the questions that crosses my mind is why is it that we have that degree of rage towards each other human beings you're speaking data you can you're engaged you're you're you're wrapping yourself as oppos you can let it go I love you

thank you whatever you can I love you but we we have an addiction the Addiction is so so intense we grab things how come have you ever read check off the the Russian um short tour he that's that's the theme in all of his stories how come why why did they cut down that Fort why are they doing that why why is it that we can't get along why is it that we we suffer when if we if we were friends everybody would profit from them well the wise it's old dat playing and we're stuck

in it and if you grab it like the Greeks do we're Going to we're going to analyze it like I was trained when I got a PhD at University of Iowa you're going to grab it and try to make sense of it you can't 11 million for what you are clueless and so the idea is Jesus Moses all these all these great sa that come along to hello let's go so have you set aside your analytical processes no no you say I'm still here what are you talking About I'm still here if I if I

had let that all go I wouldn't be here you wouldn't be here either if you were going to ask you a really rich question what question would you ask yourself who am I and how would you answer it I I am infinitely zero I I I I'm an exact copy of of the source the infinite I'm an exact copy that means I'm perfect in every way my problem is not me my problem is the data of me are are you an individuated Perfection what does that mean are we all are we do we have any

individuated aspects one more time did God create us individually yeah of course so God created you and your different your rhythm is very different from ours have the rhythm is different from the chair of course and so even at zero limits I still have a rhythm that is uniqu to abolutely and you have a rhythm for which then you have a certain purpose for which only you can fulfill And if you don't fulfill it then we're all Stu yeah but each of us like Marvin and me this sh we've come we we have been given

the gift of this lifetime to take ourselves back what Shakespeare says to thine own self be true and who are we we are an exact likeness of the Divine which is we're zero infinite that's we're nothing my mother used to say that to me when I used to go surfing come home late you're nothing You're nothing now I'm realizing she was a good thing right always listen to your mother and me she was cerous about that you're nothing finally what I'm 70 fin going wow my mother had that insight and took me 70 years to

get [Laughter] it is this um I know that this is a Revised version of Co the PO that you work with and I'm wondering whether or not um the method that existed and and I have a small familiarity with the previous version of H tell me what the previous version is my understanding of it is uh that uh a group of people would get together if there were misunderstandings among them and there would be uh a person standing in as a facilitator and it would depend upon a Guard oh okay the guard would ensure that

that a smooth process unfolded so that people would come some kind of understanding yeah um in in some workshops that I've taken that have been about Huna and uh there's no such thing as H now oh there isn't no that that's a made do by some White Blade person oh really yeah yeah go ahead I'm sorry um well I was wondering if if if uh in the previous version the earlier version of Ho ponop Pono before um Hawaii was infiltrated by foreigners um visited by visited by foreigners um if if you think that perhaps things

were different uh than uh well if a society evolved that was perhaps more Enlighten if you you look at you look at across the culture across all the cultures that we have in this this Great Village called mankind um you will find only two models And one model is very rare and that model is the model is you got to go talk to a guru to get to talk to the Divinity right right uh this one you can talk directly you don't need a guru you don't need a coach you don't need a master you

don't need any of those that you don't even need if I'm angry with him I don't need him him because the anger is in me right so why would I so the thing I liked about this when I heard about it um 20 something years ago Wow it's just my own stuff and I can go directly thein who can erase it you know yeah so upon that we teach you're on your own but you you got a good coach called God yeah you can talk directly and only that in only that force in you can

erase there's no guru there's no master no Pope there's nobody can erase only the Divinity in you can do that so I'm going to talk to the why should I go to an in between a Wholesaler you have a whole team of people do you not who do uh um the whole Pono Pono work with you um I'm I'm part of a group of people who who we have developed over over the last 25 or 26 years um some of them are coordinat like my friend Marvin here who who does most of the work um

he has to listen to all these telephone calls and get these emails and I'm glad I don't have to that's not my part I wasn't created for that thingk God But so so and then we have also coordinators uh who can teach who who so coordinate teach and then we have people who teach who don't coordinate and then we have um key people who are key people because of the cleaning that they have been assigned to do not because of anything else but they they are important people in terms of cleaning if we can get

them involved in the cleaning we will have an easier go yeah so we had one two three four of them yeah so these People are particularly skilled at cleaning not that they're skilled they're the worst people on the planet really you me said okay let's get the worst people on the planet to do the cleaning wow I think that's wonderful don't you think so so we we have the the biggest Troublemaker is on in the in on the in the cosmos helping with the yeah I'm serious yeah so why you know if said why would

I Jesus came and said why Would I Fall In Love be in love with somebody that already loves me I'm going to go look for somebody who hates me so we got a lot of people who are kind of of that category who can who can C that's what they come to do yeah that's you suppose she got that no I didn't can you share that with did you get it yeah yeah go ahead share that I don't understand that there are people who so want to clean up themselves and They have so much work

to do that their cleaning really transforms the planet because how much they have to clean yeah yeah and without their cleaning we would have it would take a longer they are big vacuum cleaners yeah Mangus and they only showed up over the last 30 years like Marvin is not one of those he's one of those finite he has that I can I can see that he has one of those French um he Swivels really swivel but he's very good at the swiveling yes that's why I show it up mhm so Marvin you we haven't let

you get a word in edgewise here would you like to share a little bit about your experience in doing H ponopono and well um I don't know where to start but um it's something that I'm just very thankful for the Divinity to give me as a tool to get back to where I supposed to be to be with God I you know I just just in awe to have this kind of Tool to to be able or to be able to go back to him basically it's just transforms my life you know so used to

be I would for anything that happens I would look at other people other than myself to point a finger to and say you know you did it instead of looking at me right so just change just changed the whole thing so it's just cleaning it's just just about cleaning so that's all I can say Thank you thank you and Bo they cleaning to do no matter what you do there always stands you you have people who who are signing up who want to know this or that and I'm GL marking got that area covered so

you get to just show up and do the work well but I get to do my part which is not easy because what what you're dealing with is is the addiction for engagement the addiction for engagement Did you say yes yeah you want to you want to wrap your hands around it you want to get a hold of it yeah and and and the the realization is people cannot help it right so somebody's got to get to the cleaning and so the idea that's my responsibility his responsibility so one of the things that we say

to our to the staff in the class hello do your cleaning don't be asking any questions at that's engagement but they're willing to do the Cleaning the class usually goes fairly smoothly so yeah cuz they can catch areas for which I'm not even conscious of you know they can pick it up in there how many people we have this weekend staff uh we have four yeah including me five and then make make kids are Bor yeah but it's the Cleaning that's going to get us through this weekend because if we're doing our cleaning then they

will get the information directly from the source as opposed to getting it from Us latu once said that to become knowledgeable is to acquire information constantly but to become wise is to un to let go of information constantly that would be similar to yeah but more importantly if if you're at zero you allow everybody else to be a zero and they get their own information as opposed to your thinking you're going to deliver the information if you if you're coming from I got the information I'm going to deliver it to you you're going To be

in trouble you're you're it's going to be a long weekend if I'm willing to clean along with the five other people they will get the room will get what it needs the chair will get what it needs I mean really so profound the floor the building the Sheran will get it the land will get it um San Jose will this will go out and out and light up the whole world yes it's beautiful M yeah tough to do yeah there was a point in in zero Limits where you mentioned where it is mentioned I like

that better yes uh that um that when you were doing cleaning sometimes you would feel pain in your body yeah and uh I've been working with uh I love you I'm sorry please forgive me thank you for yeah uh with a fair bit of dedication not as much as you probably but for about 8 months now and I noticed times where I would feel it felt like I would describe it as an energy knot that would congeal and Harden and intensify in my body and as I kept on doing cleaning that it would sort of

dissipate is this a common pattern that you um I think it's different for everybody yeah that's the thing I love about Theo is that there's no there's no one program for everybody everybody is their own program and so the program is to to Really erase the data to get everybody back to zero that's and once they get back to zero they they will be AED by Who they are they'll fall in love with themselves they'll be they'll be grateful but like the word Aloha for the Hawaiian some I should be careful some when you say

aloha you're actually saying Alo means to be in the presence and H means god so I when I when people say aloha you're actually saying I'm in the presence of God so the whole is to be in the presence of God and you have to recognize that everything is really God Made and if you mess around with him it's going to come back and SWAT you best to say ah yeah do you um uh meditate Dr Hulen um I meditate with my eyes open um there are times when I I do meditate and there are

times when uh you sort of get into uh a spaciousness sort of state of being where it feels um very peaceful and open and connected and I'm just curious if that is a state of being That would be similar to what you're describing maybe unique to you um maybe unique to other people other people will get it differently we we we will be teaching a meditation process in uh this weekend's but but the meditation is is about cleaning so let's say we we take it through and you sit there and people there was one lady

in Australia would say but what do you focus on I said you don't focus on anything but you got to focus on something I said well be my Guess but basically you go you do the meditation so whatever comes up will get cleaned up as long as you're in that meditation you you can bring it to an end as long as you're in that meditation it's a cleaning process you're sitting there and all kinds of stuff will come up it's going to get cleaned up as opposed to sitting there and going oh my god do

I have to put up with that thought form and but not to the whole on Hope on the upon everything is about Cleaning including the meditation that's why I love I love doing it I I do it billions of times a day just for yeah yeah but I only do it for cleaning I want to I really want to get back to my original state which is purity of course I think the most important question is who am I if you don't if you if you have no idea about that you'll always suffer you can't

get home you can't get Home I mean that's the most important question in creation who am I yeah so whole pon pon is about saying hello this is who you are you're perfect already the garbage that you're experience is not you just data they go huh and and then they go wow thank God how about guil Dr he dat what about I was I I was doing a class with Joe Bal and something phenomenal happened something that I I was moved by so towards the End a man in the back of the room says how

how do you I think not quite if I'm doing it correctly how do you how do you clean with my if I have the experience of having molested sexually molested my grand uh granddaughter I went wow there it is that's the truth like nobody's business so I I had a chance to Comm with that and he did it kind of like they up it came and I thought it was beautiful yeah what are some of the most Wonderful EXP experiences that you've had over these 30 years probably realizing more and more that this lifetime is

really a gift um and it's a gift for cleaning it's a gift of going home um it's taken me years to kind of realize that that that this lifetime is truly a gift um from the Divine and it's a gift gift of to make amends and I'm I'm willing to do it yeah I've met some some interesting People over the years but I I would say that probably for me is realizing that this lifetime is is really a gift and another gift is the cleaning process another gift is is um identity and then realizing that

uh we are carbon copies of this pure perfect Source yeah yeah do you do you have have experience of um moments or blocks of time where you feel yourself as source as what as as uh Divinity that being in this in a state of consciousness perhaps where you would be merged with with your high self your conscious mind and your high self would uh open up a window of perception I I have moments of feeling um love for myself I have moments of feeling love for my children I mean the kind of love where you

have no attachments that you you I have this experience of experiencing God's love for my children and an experience I've experien I've had the kind of experience of God's love for me is it possible that God is the only thing that loves oh that's absolutely so so God is love everything else is um a mimic I've heard it said that love is looking with the eyes of God and seeing God yeah but that's what Jesus said seek you first blessed are the pure in heart zero therefore they shall see God but the god in them

is Seeing God and I've had those experience they've come and gone mostly I feel like caught up in data and so which I need to clean yeah you when you travel the world there there you're you're always apt to have a lot of garbage come up yeah like one of the garbage I deal with and I work I i' clean with it before I show up and I've been cleaning with it for for um for almost three decades is This notion that you can you can come to an appreciation of God by grasp right by

through the grasping process the engagement it can't be done can't be done it's a surrender yeah not not for me it's a letting go it's a it's taking 100% respons responsibility to just let go and it's not easy to let go because the Letting Go the the for example some people will say well I'm clean but I don't get any result well and they're talking to me I'm cleaning what would what would we be cleaning with intention so I'm cleaning with intention he the person is cleaning with a certain intention okay I'm cleaning with when

when people tell me that I'm cleaning with God is not a conier you don't say to God I'm going to clean and I want this color this but I want it to look like this and yeah you go you look young so I'm I get to work on that because I didn't realize I had it and so people will show up in my life If I don't get really stuck in what the hell are they talking about as opposed to oh what's going on in me that that that's coming up that I can work on

that's the tough one does anyone help you clean what does that mean do do you have someone that uh that oh that that either sets an environment full space I think what what there's there's someone actually there two or three people that I work with um that we we do cleaning When things come up you know if there are things that for example if if a a request comes from like I got a request from Singapore and Singapore there's a banker there that wants us to come and so um I do the cleaning and then

I give that information to two or three people they can do it and so we we can we can get the information because we're the baddest guys on the earth clean up and then to see whether it's correct to do Yeah thank you thank thank you so thank you so much not at all not at all I I enjoyed it I'm I'm grateful got a chance to clean all good I've heard the questions before I'm sure you have