The jogan Experience what do you think about the [ __ ] the live golf thing love it absolutely love it why not tell tell me more here's the reason and I told you I before this I know a guy that went over there uh and I and here's the thing some people love the preservation in the history of the PGA I get it tradition a lot of things about the PGA are [ __ ] and particularly the idea that the PGA had a stronghold on them it was kind of like it has like the remnants
of like contracts from studios in the 50s for actors where you're like we own your [ __ ] ass your likeness your rights your images when the golfers golf they can't use that footage they have to license it from the PGA so if I'm out playing and I want to be like hey man I want to put up a post on Instagram about this dope ass putt I hit or whatever this great you have to buy it you have to buy your [ __ ] back from them [ __ ] why if I'm a if
I'm Zion Williamson in the NBA and I [ __ ] yoke on some I put my dick in their [ __ ] face and dunk on them the NBA can't wait to give you the footage they're like dude post that [ __ ] because it's going to help their brand PGA is old white guy [ __ ] and it's I get it that it's Antiquated so some of the younger guys were like [ __ ] this I want more freedom and fun I want something different some of them their careers are on the other side
so they might not be making so much more twin money right so this is a great alternative the problem people had was like Dustin Johnson or you know guys that are at the top and they're like why are you pulling your game over there you could do you think you you think you can't win anymore in this which is part of the controversy it's like oh what's the big controversy the big controversy the Saudis yeah but but but Saudi money is invested in tons of [ __ ] look up uh look up look up Saudi
look up Saudi money LPGA look that up uh the sa the the investment of the Saudis isn't like a new thing in American Sports so it's this is people are just mad because the PGA particularly is mad because they look they're looking something in the face that's threatening them it's not going to be bigger than the PGA but it's an alternative that's fun people like it I it's not going to be bigger it's not going to take it over but they don't what people are concerned with is that people are leaving and they're going to
work for someone who's been accused of some horrific [ __ ] sure but who made your jeans these are American jeans but you know what I mean it's like most people made by origin but most people go oh dude I don't like that it's like you're made your [ __ ] shirt was made by a Chinese kid there's a lot well your phone if you're complaining about stuff you're literally complaining on a device that was made by slaves well that's my point so I think that when somebody when you start to get into the nitpicky
stuff I'm always like I understand the idea of like being like people are anti them playing for Saudi money but you if you think you're not involved in Saudi money at a High Sports level I'm sorry but it's there well the WWE fans are freaking out now right why Jamie yeah yeah what's that about came out last night that the Saudi Investment fund bought the WWE I believe okay well what are you going to do what happens now I don't know yeah I don't this [ __ ] no what happens now well there's no Divas
there's there not going to be any women look at that Vince McMahon WWE Talent done if company is sold to Saudi Arabia wrestling says it's not sold to Saudi according to them this is what was happening on Twitter last night Twitter WWE Twitter World freaked out it was like trending all night go to SNES what a Snopes have to say oh they had an answer oh they yeah is WWE being so research in progress oh still going so yes so the answer is yes and they just can't leak it yes the money comes around if
it's it's a substantial increase in money I think here's the deal I understand tradition but if these guys want an Alterna League to play in who who [ __ ] let him go play I don't who gives a [ __ ] I don't know why do you need a monopoly of one League I mean you look at the history that's not what the problem is what what people have a problem with is Jamal kogi Jamal kogi who was a journalist for the Washington Post who was dismembered at the Turkish Embassy at the supposedly at the
instructions of the Saudi royals he was critic critical of them yeah but I mean I don't know man I don't know who and I don't know who who literally is funding they could be just Saudi businessmen that are funding live I don't know this particulars but I don't know that's what I'm saying is like whatever if they want to go play in that league and they're comfortable with it let them go play I guess [ __ ] it what an American perspective well let them go play it's [ __ ] capitalism baby you want to
get that [ __ ] check dude that's the Trump perspective get that [ __ ] check dude Trump told them it's an amazing amazing organization they're doing great things doing great things go get that money I think honestly here's what's really going to happen they're going to go get that money and then they're going to leave then it's going to be over and it's going to dissipate into nothing or not if they have that kind of cheddar they have enough cheddar they could literally keep this going forever if they wanted to and they wouldn't put
a dentum no no it's not that and you're right it's more that what guys are going to be willing to either stay there or continue to go over there so the problem is the talent right it's like anything else it's like but they're having the events here correct I went to one so you don't have to stay you don't have to go over there I don't I don't think they only I I think they only play one over there all all of them are here like I went to in Chicago Rich Harvest Farms uh and
yeah I mean I you know look it's it's really interesting to to see the internal uproar which I immediately attribute to golf is an old tradition sport so people are really particular so they don't even like that someone's entering the conversation the out the other perspective obviously is the one that is the bigger deal is people are people are think it's an immoral move unethical move if it was instead some enormous hedge fund got together and they put all their money together and decided to fund their own alternative golf agency golf tour just as mad
I think they' be just as upset people would be the PJ does not want competition they don't like that guys are even thinking about going and then I think personally they're shoehorning in the Saudi stuff to go and that's bad see they're more mad about business interest they don't give a they don't [ __ ] care about how much of a effect is it having on the top players no I mean there my buddy my buddy's doing a documentary that's coming out on Netflix uh I think coming up soon in the first quarter of the
Year about um the PGA and during it during the middle of the filming half of the guys left and went to live and he films both perspectives so and it's supposed to be really good it's just it's not changed much what's the the highest level player the high the highest level level like a guy who's like a championship caliber Phil Michelson is one of the greatest of all time arguably in a in a span of many many golfers I'm not saying he's like number one or I'm not saying I'm just saying he is one of
the best of all time and he is the I think he's the biggest money right wasn't he the biggest him or D yeah him or DJ got the most but what kind of money are we talking about 150 mil supposedly to just come over to play before they won any extra money before they got paid out whoa yeah but that's also part of a contract that no one knows the details of these contracts well they're private right they don't have to disclose didn't they lose all their sponsors once they went over there though a lot
of them a lot of them lost some of their sponsors but uh I don't know if you need him anymore after 150 mil clears right yeah I think I think like what kind of sponsors are we talking about CDW you know like business investment firms golf is sponsored heavily by like you know TD amera trade and [ __ ] that a lot of that which makes sense because all those guys the guys who like golf yeah that's who likes golf businessmen old businessmen they love to do business meetings on the golf course good to see
you Phil I bet if you're like a businessman you probably have to play golf some circles it's an advantage I don't know if for the new era I you know my you know our age is what's going on now in the Youth of business I don't [ __ ] know what 22- year olds have to do to like get through in the corporate world but I imagine uh it's still a part of it to a degree you know it's an inner circle that you're going to get leverage from some way or it's like going to
a good school it's like dude I went to Arizona state did I have any connections I made zero [ __ ] friends I made a lot of [ __ ] friends but none of them could help me business Wise It's not like going to Yale no yeah you go to you go to an accredited University someone's daddy is a somebody and so that's a big advantage in going to a good SCH you meet that guy and you might want up working for his firm he might give you a [ __ ] job yeah you want
a job does your does your kid want a it's like that [ __ ] but Billy's a good kid really good kid and he's top of his class I'll give him a couple hundred grand a year out of school we'll let him [ __ ] off for two years then we'll figure it out show him how to do Coke we'll give him a bump but so I think like at the end of the day whatever whatever people whatever those guys want to do I just want to watch golf so I don't give a [ __
] I'm defin the PJ is still going to be the number one because it has you know the Masters it has tournaments where you're it's it's just now is this the general attitude of most people most people are just letting it go they don't care people outraged most guys my age I think Jamie might be in a similar boat where you're like I don't [ __ ] give a [ __ ] but my dad's generation is like [ __ ] it's ridic you you don't that supporting the [ __ ] Saudis and you go over
there and you're Bing the ship that like you sailed in on you know the PJ built you and it Formed you it would be like if the UFC had a big competitive had a had a competitive thing come forward with way more money which I don't know if that's happened I'm ignorant you could tell me if it has but it hasn't but if it had that that's kind of the same thing where people there's some guys who get really good deals that they wouldn't get in the UFC so what happens is um if there's Talent
that's available that's Top Flight Talent uh Bellator has options you know that's an option A lot of guys will go to Bellator cuz Bellator will pay them more but it's like when you get to the world championship like the Conor McGregor khabib n mmed off level I think they make more money in the UFC right I think because they have pay-per-view excuse me pay-per-view you don't see pay-per-view with Bellator I think they've done a couple pay-per-views I don't think they've been that successful whereas UFC does a pay-per-view every month right every month is an enormous
pay-per-view there's world championship fights where you get the best of the best and everybody knows who they are it's like Q-tips NFL NBA like that's MMA at the the highest level right like you can get cotton swabs at CVS that aren't made by Q-tips you you're asking for Q-tips where's the Q-tips where's Kleenex yeah where's the kleenex and that I mean that's not even the best example right because the Q-tips that you know CVS that aren't Q-tips the cotton swabs are probably just as good it's not that [ __ ] hard to have a little
stick and little cotton on the end of it the name to get Elite world last fighters to compete in the biggest organization to hold that UFC belt you know and have Bruce Buffer say and no you know and they put that [ __ ] strap on you whoa that's the the cream of the crop when it comes to Combat Sports well that's what it is in the PGA it's like they hold tradition they're they've got it by the balls so no one will there's no uh it's not accredited you know live is for fun it's
for money and fun and I think they're trying to appeal to like a a new Young Market I think they need to do that [ __ ] with the crowd that well the Liv is Liv has live music they have like it's who has that that one with the crowd what that's a different that's the PGA that's the PGA yeah this has got to be the this is like the one time they kind of let this chaos go it's cuz it's in Phoenix Waste Management runs it listen it's a great move no it's it's well
you should show him a picture of what the 16th hole looks like without those stands it the what what they build is mindblowing the course outside of that looks nothing like that they build this huge structure that structure they put in temporarily yeah that's gone most of the time it's not there that's what it looks like that enormous structure they built temporarily yes and they keep it or they take it down just for the tournament they take it down the moment the tournament's closed that course goes back to what it looked look at the 16th
without it oh my God that's insane or 17 is it how many people are in there I mean dude that's got to be I don't know thousands 5 thousand more looks like more that was a show that we were doing together we'd be like bro just without grand stand right without grand stand that looks like 30 40,000 to me man look at that's what it looks like Joe without it whoa it's nothing as a time lapse how many uh people were there Google the uh what's the the amount the audience size they you're allowed to
walk in and out of that area it's not like you need a seat yeah you don't stay you can go anywhere on the course the whole day right but how many people get seated by those that that structur they put in place how many seats are available take a guess I'm saying 40 Grand I would say 20K yeah it's like 15,000 15 or 20K is my it seems more than that man it do soig there's a lot of boxes too they sell those boxes it's a 16 to they sell those boxes because people now know
how fun it is right but what's the actual number I don't know that we'll know it it changes year to year because they add more people it's yeah but they have okay let's go the 2021 Waste Management open crowd size yeah that's yeah there's got to be a way to find it right 100% I mean they they'll give you they'll give you an estimate of something they'll give you like usually how many people show up because they brag about it 20,000 20,000 but that's like the whole event that's not sitting in yeah but I would
argue half of them are there yeah that's probably 10 10 grand maybe but what a great idea to get it exciting cuz that was so much more exciting than a normal golf when they interview pro golfers this is only 5,000 th000 fans per day that was 2021 this is when the pandemic was happening the grand stands are non-existent uh pro golfers say that that's the most nervous they are because people are it's people talk [ __ ] they're yelling it's dude it's most times you know they get this as a guy that holds up a
thing to shut the [ __ ] up yeah there there's no rules you just can't love that and you know what's so funny when somebody does get a hole in one like that they all throw beer like you can he's got pictures of it where they'll throw beer on there but they don't get kicked out or anything like the one time you're allowed to throw beer
