Legendary TOM PLATZ Seminar | David Gym Zurich

You nobody really talks about what's next except dorium does a little bit now but it's it's hard retiring from something you're so active in and and you love so much in something your my mind was into the Olympia for ten years for ten years even before that for I don't even talk about the twenty five years before that of getting ready to get to that point where you have ten Olympians in your in Your view okay but when you retire it's like what do I do now Who am I you know we're talking about Joseph

Wilcox he had some issues retiring Dorie and had some issues retiring Ronnie Coleman has some issues retirement it's hard to retire but you don't know what to do you know what am I gonna do and am I gonna get a job like a regular person I thought about that fact they did I decided that rather than going to Arnold and saying look I need a job you know I wanted to Do it myself I wanted to know what it was like to be the average working guy okay so I went to a corporation put my

suit on and I said I'd like to get a job in your corporation here what kind of experience do you have nothing my resumes my resumes that well he spoke to presidents of different countries he was doing a world-class competitor and doesn't really matter what experience do you have in the corporate world I said very little and and I said but I'm Trainable should show me I can do this I can do anything the same attitude I had in the squat rack for all those years I thought to myself if it worked in the gym

why won't it work in business or the corporate life and I got to tell you it did it worked really really well to we're putting a suit on every day and putting my tie on it was like my new gym I was excited to get put five in the morning and okay put my suspenders on I'm gonna go to the gym I'm gonna go to The gym I'm gonna go to the office and I'm gonna be around all these young people twenty and thirty year olds I'm gonna kill him I'm gonna walk him circles around

okay and I did it was like my new squat rack my desk my office was like my home you know I got promoted over the years okay but I enjoyed working for Merchant Services I was a corporate recruiter my job was to identify talent and give him a job but I had to Interview them introduce him to other department heads and find a place for them I wasn't a headhunter I was a corporate recruiter for a very very large company okay and I loved it to death I really did the same energy that I learned

here in the gym here in the squat rack I took to the corporate workplace and it works it's no different the only difference is in the corporate workplace when you see red you can't respond when you see red you gotta wait Too it goes to pink I sort of got in trouble a few times when you know okay you can't do that when you're you can do it the gym I was paid a lot of money to respond like a crazy guy in the gym and I did real well but it didn't work in corporate

life so I had to learn how to adjust that side of my personality but I enjoyed it immensely so for about I don't know many years for a good side of a decade or more I played the corporate person and I Thought that bodybuilding was my past it was my past I was a young man back then and I moved on in life and we start you know assuming a different role you know I am now in corporate world and I talked to the CEO and they didn't know my background they did learn my background

and they go we know who you are what are you doing here you know and I said I want to learn I want to learn everything about this corporate world show me you know and I love staying Doing overtime staying later I wanted to learn the bosses this II would take me at government pick you in my office so I'm gonna show you how I talk to all these come I wanted to learn about it I wanted to learn like I was a student all over again sometimes you're a teacher and sometimes you're a student

in life forever okay so I the same attitude I had when I was a teenager and I hang out with Arnold I went to the beach with Arnold And and it was introduced to Frank Zane and Robby Robinson and and all these guys and Lou Ferrigno and I was a little kid learning that took that same attitude into the corporate world and it worked I wasn't talented I wasn't talented in bodybuilding I didn't have any genetics I didn't have any I wasn't talented in business but the thing is I was telling David about this earlier

I had this attitude that I can do it there's Nothing I can't do if I can squat 400 535 or how many 23 whatever it was I can do anything I believed that and it worked because I believed it so I never I'm telling you I never had any talent for bodybuilding I never held any talent for business I wish I did and I emulated guys and watch guys that were really sharp my CEO taught me a lot but I had David and I am Matthias who was here tonight he's filming we did a video

in LA for team And ro went crazy viral which opened the doors from my brand to work again and pretty soon I'm getting offers to go and teach all around the world and I'm telling my boss but I gotta leave for a month okay to go do some seminars like what you can't who leaves for a month their corporate position but it started opening up to where I said I could go back to bodybuilding as a teacher and do seminars all over again and get involved in other projects and really give back To the sport

they've given me so much if body wouldn't gave me a life I'd be some homeless guy in Detroit if it wasn't for bodybuilding it gave me a life so right now it's not about the money I don't care about the money it's not about gaining position as a bodybuilding player in the business it's about just giving back to something that really gave me a lot gave me a life and that's the reason I'm here that's the reason I've joined with Adam and as far as working together and my goal our goal is to go around

the world one more time before I actually settle down I'm 62 years old I'll be 63 soon by the time I'm 70 I'm not gonna be doing this I don't see myself traveling here you know four different countries a week no but we're doing it now and it's exciting it's fun it's hard and but I like being uncomfortable another thing that squat rack told me is it taught me and when You're uncomfortable is when you grow we know that from the gym when you're uncomfortable is when you grow so I like being uncomfortable in life

threw myself into a corporate position to where I didn't know anything I don't learn the computer I learn how to type fast I don't learn how to pro I'll do these programs I had no training I'm like I'm like a handicapped kid you know I'm an old man but I learn I learned that learning I got faster and Faster and faster to the point to where I could live in a corporate world but I decided to come back home my CEO told me he said if you don't take advantage of this opportunity go back to

what you know best I'm gonna fire you anyhow he was joking but it's like being in the mob once you get in the mob you can't ever get out you know you're in it for life and is that math alone if that makes sense to the mob meaning the crime Syndicate meaning like The Sopranos Oprah knows once you get into the soprano family so to speak you can never get out and that's bodybuilding for me bodybuilding has given me a lot tremendous a life it's been good to me financially mentally spiritually physically I learned about

life in the gym everything I know about life I learned to the squat rack I learned how to fail in the gym I learned how to fail And fall on my face many many times that you never read about okay and I keep getting up and the same attitude work in the office I'd fare every day I mean I'm like all these 20 year old kids around me tighten on like my heart rates fast I'm losing weight can't eat enough it's like you know I'm getting in shape to sit at my desk you know but

I had to learn it and I had to put myself in that position and that's the reason I'm in Europe ten months out of the year eleven Months out of the year now because it's uncomfortable and that's when you grow it's hard to learn a new language but I want to do stuff that I've never done before I want to feel so uncomfortable I can't stand out but I want to be able to manage it I don't wanna have a nervous breakdown but that's why I have Adam here Adam watches me and said okay that's

enough but you know I'm very fortunate been very fortunate in life and bodybuilding has been great to me But what I'm here to tell you is that life doesn't happen to you we all think that life happens to me right life happens for you it happens for you I mean opportunities will come to you every day it's either for you you can remain scared of the opportunities or you can embrace them and take them my might what I finally realized that and I want to share this with you if you give up on your dreams

if you give up on your dreams what do you have Left nothing I can't live that way I can't live that way I have to live on the edge you know if it wasn't bodybuilding I'd probably be a motorcycle or cross-country jumping cars or some I don't know something crazy but that's why I'm in this business it's never been about the money it's always been about the love of the game and the energy I gained from it and that's really you know and when it's about the money getting trouble money should be a Side effect

of what you love to do and that's what I bring to the gym every single day and that's what I work when I work with Sergio Oliva jr. and other body but top guys and guys you don't even know when David Hoffman that's what I tried to bring to the table that energy and that thirst of where it's not just about I hope I do well it's like you have to want success in the gym as one as you as much as you want to breathe okay as much if you're gonna if You started suffocating

in this room you'd find every way to get out of here you'll be knocking the doors down yelling screaming breaking windows whatever you got to do to live right that's what I brought to the gym I don't know why this happened to me it was a gift I didn't have a choice in 1974 date Meister 1977 we all I went to Gold's Gym 50 bucks in a plane ticket we all went to Gold's Gym like anointed zombies anointed zombies we didn't care about The money all we wanted to do was train together in the same

gym the fitness industry back in 1977 was 15 people ten guys five girls that was the fitness industry it was great the old Gold's Gym was like oh my god the energy was so thick he walk in the door and you just you couldn't stand it you didn't even need to eat it needed to sleep and the best in the business were there either I decided as a young man that I have to go to California to be around the best In the world I have to study with the Masters I wanted to study with

the best in the world because I felt that if I was around Arnold them Zane and Robbie and Ferrigno that the energy would rub off and it did and it did okay and that's so again it's not about the fact that you're not Talan in fact forget about genetics to hell with genetics really you know I always tell people you know when I was a young man I said it will not be a victim to my Genetics I will not be a victim to my genetics I don't care I don't care haven't I don't have

a small waist hell with it my genetics will be a victim to me that was my plan and it was my my god gave me this mentality I don't know why gets me in trouble lots of times too it does okay but God gave me the leg thing I got to tell you most of those squats I did I wasn't doing it it wasn't me it was God finishing the last ten reps okay because I don't know I was Done you know when I did when it feeble and cologne when we did 23 with five

something I mean I was done at 10 and 15 I thought it was all over in the last you know seven reps I don't know eight reps I don't know where it came from yeah something God was pulling up that weight okay he was and the only thing I can think of is that it's the opportunity that I was given I mean I didn't I didn't wait for it to come I had to take action I had to do something To get it and had to go after it and embrace the heat so to speak

that you know there's been a lot of tough days and where I questioned whether this is what I should be doing for a living now forty some years later and I've been bodybuilding for 40 41 scene started when I was nine so you know some 50 over 50 years you know but it's been everything I wanted it to be I never got the Sandow trophy I wanted that Sandow trophy yes I had a Trophy cabinet made for the Sandow but I would not train I would not trade what I do have from the sport for

the trophy the trophy should give you what I have what I have is the ability to still work I'm still working in this business after losing the 81 Olympia I didn't win I failed at winning the Olympia I'll repeat myself I failed at winning the 81 Olympia but I'm still working 35 years later still doing seminars still doing stuff in the industry so again I don't I Think it's really an attitude an attitude and an energy that sort of I figured out or God gave to me I don't know we're both that it's allowed me

to live and prosper very very well okay and it's not about the stuff I mean I thought for that one time was about Hoover had the most money and most stuff and the BMW in the portion you know the house on the East Coast in the house in the West Coast I thought whoever had that was the winner I gotta tell you When I had the most stuff I was not the most happiest as I am now okay in fact I simplified my life we you know we moved all of our belongings to Europe imagine

taking everything you own and having two different houses and giving stuff away selling stuff and still you have it I chant these big containers all the pictures and photographs and you know it's a big process but sometimes when you have too much you need you need to do less you need to have less and by Having less stuff I find things are much more clear for me now and that's why I'm here and that's why I've been doing seminars and getting involved in bodybuilding so to speak as more of a mentor figure so to speak

I had Arnold I had Draper I had I remember God I remember when I first went to the 78 mr. universe Joel gold the owner of Gold's Gym said you know you got to pay for a membership pretty soon Tom I'm like Oh Joe look I Don't have any money and then I was a broke body with her like most guys and he goes after they mr. universe will talk okay great it's a few weeks to go I won the universe and I came back after the Acapulco mr. universe my commencer won the heavyweight class

I won the middleweight class a guy named Carlos Rodriguez won the lightweight class they're both dead they both died which is sad but true but Joe Gould said Tom Come here I'm like oh no he wants some money when I go go am I gonna do okay and he goes welcome to the club he called Arnold up he called Frank Zane he says one of us he never pays for nothing ever and I walk in that gym any kind of clothes I wanted anything I wanted was mine any friends I brought in they gave him

stuff and I'm like I was welcomed to the family so to speak and I'll never forget that Joe Gould really you know I Mean nobody does this solo he does anything alone I had a lot of support from ex-wife's and but Joe Gould was expanding success helpful in my in my life and really gave me an opportunity as Joe Weider did and everybody okay you know and we don't do anything alone there's always a support group around you but deaths what's brought me here and in a roundabout way I wanted to share some of my

immediate feelings with you to let you know where I was and why I'm here and what I'm doing and I invite you to really take me where you want to take me I can talk for three hours I have my own agenda and my own thing like you know that okay that's Chris Dickerson always said you have the gift of gab I said thanks Chris I guess that's a compliment I don't know I don't know okay but I can talk which is I think important in this business because most guys walk around with food bags

and they don't talk and they stay home and They eat six eight times a day and they get another night and eat and nobody talks anymore I'm like what's that about in fact people live in their apartments and they they don't know how to talk anymore they but they're on Facebook a little bit nor Instagram okay that's that's social socialization today but in my day when I was being tutored by Arnold and Franklin and you know and Dave Draper and rigna it was like body but he here at all it wasn't about Deprivation and pain

and punishment was about abundance and prosperity Arnold taught me hey this is America he said to me this is America you can do anything you want he said let me show you so anything he did I did he had a blonde girl when I had a blonde girlfriend he drank coffee I drank coffee life was big he's life is supposed to be big and full that's what he taught me coming from Austria keep speaking German barely spoke speaking England English and so I've adopted those values but took a guy from Europe to tell me that

about America I didn't know that I didn't understand capitalism I thought okay fine I'll just fit in somewhere and but being around the influence of all those guys I mentioned a lot of the women too I learned a lot from a lot of the women women taught me how to pose they really did okay how - that wasn't a poser am I gonna I'm not I'm the short stocky kid But they taught me about the hair and stuff like that and you know I never knew what they were talking about but they eventually showed me

but I'm here because a lot of support I'm here because a lot of people helped me and showed me the way and gave me the opportunity and that was the unlikely winner almost everybody is unlikely winner not supposed to be the guy or the girl you know everything I could have looked at all the possible all the Negative situations in my life but you know I wasn't the chosen one I wasn't chosen to be this guy and to be in the wieder camp or whatever but I wanted it so bad in fact the only difference

between most of you and me the only difference between me and you is I wanted it more I wanted it more that's the only reason I'm sitting here and you know I'm I'm nobody special yeah yeah third place - yeah third place 1981 Chris Dickerson was in second everybody forgot about Chris yeah Columbo yeah well people are still talking about this show 35 years ago people they want me to do interviews on Facebook I'm like 35 years ago was a show you still want me to do an interview about this damn show okay I will

I will I have had some viewpoints too you know was too good it couldn't be placed hired and it Looked like it was impossible because okay okay when I was interviewed immediately after taking third place a guy named Ricky Wayne he maybe remember Ricky Wayne he he came up with a microphone remember that name Ricky Wayne he when he Caribbean he went back to the Caribbean I don't know what he running for office or president or something I don't know but him and his girlfriend Mae Malika Mae Mollica was a really sharp Fitness girl back

in 35 Years ago okay no no I'm not livin no no no many of you don't know what she is or who he was but he put a microphone in my face he said Tom what do you think about the Olympia how do you think he should have done you stirred what do you think about placing solos third place I said Oh first of all I think Frank Hill is a great champion and Arnold a great champion I think tonight I think that tonight Frank will show place a little lower and I should have place

a little Higher but thank you very much I'm proud and honored to be here people my god he's a politician you know I didn't plan on saying that I didn't have any pre I just happened to react that way I thought hey if I'm gonna stand on the Olympia stage it's a matter of opinion who once Franco and I argued about that but it's a matter of opinion who once who wins it could be political sure politics earn everything we're talking about this last night Kathy you know Politics is life there's politics in everything okay

you can make it you can you you can use it to work for you words gonna work against you done I mean you can't be upset about it okay I lost the Olympia but did I I mean I came in third and people think I came in second all the time they forgot about Dickerson but it was really that losing that show was the best thing that ever happened to me losing the 81 Olympia was the best thing that ever happened to my career you know And I I didn't realize that until now 35 years

later you know I mean what would I have won the trophy the trophy would have been in my storage container in Hungary probably and I'll be like what am I gonna do now you know I would gladly trade the Sandow for a job like I've had in the last 35 years okay it's been a gift okay I mean God gave me a gift as he gives us all gifts and I think we're all good at something we're all good at something really good And I think if you're really still if you make yourself really still

and quiet which is hard to do in this day of an age of social media okay Facebook and Instagram if you're really still and quiet if you can be quiet for a half hour without like meditation you know you sort of the answers will come you know what to do you really know what to do as you do with your gym even if you make the wrong choice and do something that you think You should do you get in this life will spit you out and get another chance and the big scheme of things if

you make the wrong choice big deal I wish I had one more life and if I had one more life maybe a pro golfer this time I have no talent for golf but I know I could do it if I believed as much as I do it about body but now I could do it I'm one of those kind of guys that believe I can do anything okay and it gets me in trouble but I I made a self promise to Mike when I was a little kid I said I promised myself that that I

would never leave the gym a loser I was playing football as a teenager I never told anybody this but this coach kicked me in the butt I mean back in the 70s you could do this and he didn't go to jail okay but the coach he was playing football was a middle linebacker he goes boom it was plaster nothing you'll never be nothing I'm like my whole world oh my god my coach told me coach Smith told me I'll never be Nothing from that day forward I made a promise that I will give it everything

I got I'm ready to die for what I had to have to succeed I have to give it everything I got that way I'm a winner no matter what I don't know why I said it to myself I made that self promise years later 20-30 years later all of coach Smith's kids you know they we emails just came out the internet just opened up they said Are you the same Tom plants that coach Smith talks about and I said yes I am and tell him thank you very much for everything he's ever done for me

okay so life offers you a lot of opportunities even sometimes if it's devastation and terrible oh my god death and you lose your fiance or you know you divorces and went through all that stuff okay those are the years I did best an 81 my fiance got together with my I Didn't ever tell anybody this before either but she got together with my training partner and I came home from the 80 Olympia and they're together I'm like oh my god I was so hurt and so baffled that this girl could do this to me I

decided to take all that energy and put it into the gym and before the 81 Olympia I just opened the door to the Gold's Gym that day that year and boom everything would work it was a magical year any exercise I did was Wow Mind-blowing every and I would train like every day every day look better and better I'm in the mirror I'm scared myself in the mirror you know because I was so focused on this was I had the opportunity to be very selfish at that time and you got to be selfish at times

and I didn't you know but the fact that something really devastation devastating happened in my life gave me the opportunity def something great happened and I think that's the way it works you Got to have good and bad in life there's good and there's evil and there's good and bad and a lot of times when evil heavy evil and heavy terrible things comes along your life it's really an opportunity and everything I looked at in my life it's been bad or like oh my god what am I gonna do I think back now it gave

me an opportunity fraught opportunity is disguised as problems okay if you don't have problems you don't have a life everybody has problems In fact the more money you have the more problems you have the more money the more stuff I had the more the more problems I have versus having no money and no life you've pretty a lot of problems to live on the beach you know a lot of guys I know okay somewhere in the middle seems to be the happiest for me I have a problem in big finance big business site in the

gym we do things because we can we add 20 kilos to each side of the bar because we can sometimes It gets us in trouble adding too much weight too soon in business big finance sometimes you do things because you can not because it's right I found this the same kind of mentality but I'm here to tell you the energy that worked in the gym did work in the rest of my life too but I decided to come back because this is my church this is my home this is what's given me life and you

get to a point when you get Older you want to give back to something that's given you so much that's where I am thank you for your question hope I answered that okay sir yeah not initially initially I did I mean I responded I remember people criticizing me at the old goals gym the first Gold's Gym I was squatting for reps some pretty good weight people say you shouldn't do that you shouldn't squat like that it's bad for you I'm like I know Thanks keeps Well kept squatting I didn't I didn't want to listen I

was like I have to do this because nobody else did and I felt so good I didn't like squatting that much I didn't like squatting at all tell you the truth it's scary your hands sweating you get nervous and here you get anxious but I love I'm addicted to the feeling afterwards after a squat workout doing 500 400 pounds 4 reps your life passes in front of your eyes and you succeed it's like life is great the Sky is blue the grass is green and life is absolutely wonderful I'm in a great mood for a

week later I just I wish I could squat more often but how it gets me in a great mood and that's the reason I squat the leg thing I mean people used to store all the old benches in the squat rack of the old goals Arnold and corny at corny did that squat thing for pumping iron but nobody ever squatted really they would do 15 maybe reps or 10 reps of 315 maybe they Did it for the movie ok nobody ever squatted really Draper is a Draper put on 4 or 5 even Zane did 405

for 10 but they never really squatted really okay and so I stuck all the old benches where they stored him in the squat rack and I started using it on a regular basis and I was ridiculed for it I was told it wasn't right you shouldn't do that as most people are when you do something that's against the grain it's not popular you're told you're doing it Wrong you shouldn't do that it's just now people are saying your training methodology was on point and that you know it's just now 35 years took two people to

say hey he was absolutely right about what he was doing I don't care I didn't care about who thought what I didn't care who thought uneven why don't I want to please the judges I didn't care about the judges in the mr. Olympia contest all those years those 10 years I just wanted to go to The gym and express myself from within as any artist does okay I wanted to go on stage and humbly show everybody how it goes according to me I wasn't about there am I good enough am I good enough hell with

that let me show you what I've done okay that's what I tell actors when I coach actors go to the audition just show them how it goes according to you make a decision and go with it a lot of times the director will say I like the way you Did dad that's a good idea can you do it my way once I like your idea better you got to be creative from that standpoint being creative is the highest level of existence following the rules and being a soldier of life is boring I break the rules

I've always breaking the rules got me a lot of trouble Arnold show me that that him in trouble - okay but you got to have that personality you got to have that got a little bit crazy you got to Be a little bit you have an insane switch I'm talking you know I'd go to the gym insane click hi honey how are you good to see you again you see that you see that same train and everybody that succeeds I have had the opportunity to work with billionaires and being around a billionaire I would worked

with Vince McMahon the owner of a WWE his best friend was Trump before he was president okay I got to be around that's why I still wear my tie as long he Influenced me okay but being around these guys I'm like well I'm like a student I'm like I couldn't I couldn't have a better education on how to live life and they all were very grateful Trump and McMahon and Arnold grateful to what they have generous but they feel like you know I would say that I would ask Arnold how do you you're doing two

movies in the same day you work all night long and all day don't you get tired he would say no I'm doing Something that I've always dreamed of doing people dream about doing what I'm doing you know they're grateful and that's what I saw in Trump and I think Trump is ridiculed but he's put down these brake along the calls but you know I may be 35 years from now he'll be the greatest president of all time in the US I don't know I like his attitude though because he's not he's not a follower he

doesn't care he says stupid stuff I know that he's not politician he doesn't say The way things should be said you know and but you know having known him before he was president I'm like granted he was given a million dollars by his dad okay that gave him a million bucks and say go do something with your life he coulda lost at all he coulda blew it like many of us have okay but he made it grow he made it grow again and again and again he almost went bankrupt like wieder did weed almost went

bankrupt one to one year Trump almost went banquet Most lost at all but they figured out a way to keep it together and you know that's the kind of people like to be around I like to be around risk takers there's a risk and there anything you do any exercise it doesn't have a risk isn't worth doing I'm not suggesting now that you take commit suicide I would never do an exercise that was outright stupid dangerous I hear people that squat that blow their intestines out like what do you I mean how much weight He

was squatting way too soon too much weight you know I don't ever want to kill myself but there's a risk involved in any success venture with the expectation of success there's a success in a risk the higher success go is the risk follows if there's too much risk not enough success I don't take it I don't take that risk okay but to answer your question did I answer your question really I'm throwing some other things too but I like when You guys take me certain places I'll give you more than you asked for because I

can't but it's been a fun fun life and I'm not done yet yes sir yes by the system and SWAT sniper as was my command sir yes so your question is about the ad Olympia the 1980 Olympia in Sydney Australia and Mike meant sir Arnold oh yes oh yeah well it was I was in the gym everyday with Arnold prior to that ad Olympia I knew something was up he was looking too good he was looking too good he was really looking Arnold's in good shape okay so I knew their son he's planning on doing

something and he's awful a good shape for a movie he was doing Conan the Barbarian I remember the fight yeah there's always tension between Mike and Arnold there was tension between those two always this Mike would say you don't Need to train six days a week twice a day like Arnold does you only need to train two or three times a week so Arnold Arnold's methodology was being challenged in print in the magazines Arnold didn't like that Arnold doesn't like to lose I know doesn't like being criticized nobody does okay but I remember that comment

I meant was my second Olympia and I'm backstage and I'm like my second Olympia at least Two guys were in a fight eat oh my god my god I can't handle this I'm like get away from me and I was like this missing I'm like I'm gonna go over here and warm up okay because these two two of the greatest bodybuilders of all time we're getting ready to fight each other and people were holding them back you know my god this is too much for me but I remember Arnold said something about Mike stomach Arnold

said hey you have fat stomach Anyhow he liked it Mike's like like then I'm like oh my god and I don't know how it came down but Mike Mike may have provocated that it's been 35 years I forget exactly okay but you know in years later they made up they did make up okay but Mike was the next mr. Olympia Mike was the golden child Mike was senior editor and fitness of muscle Matt Muscle & Fitness Magazine he was an intellectual guy the intellectual bodybuilder the very smart body but I'm Like wow how great is

this if Mike would have just said Arnold congratulations good job next year would have been his or the next year would have been his in other words he got upset and carried this bitterness and carry this anger with him everywhere he went so Mike as good as he is and as generous as he was to me and helpful as a friend he wants to meet carried the hatred of losing the 81 mr. Olympia lady mr. Olympia on his back and I think that's One of the reasons it caused him to die when you carry bitterness

it's bad it's like cancer you know probably causes cancer your attitude your negative energy probably your whole body do weird stuff you know because if you if you think bad and expect bad and feel bad you die and your body is like poison inside at least your mind is and if your minds poison your body's got to be this follow so I think that's what killed Mike if I may say so Mike carried that bitterness with him okay Michael is a great body builder so is Arnold I got to tell you that I don't you

know I it's hard for Arnold to lose that year there's one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time entering Olympia a five year layoff it's hard for him not to win granted all of the judges were his buddies his friends hey buddies Arnold he's gonna have my 10th Olympia I had all the friends I knew all the guys On the Olympia panel you know they made the wrong choice but what the hell can i you know I died sometimes I told my gay every I probably guess pose for every judge 10 times in those countries

okay every judge is my friend I didn't have the small ways to this narrow shoulders but damn I'm gonna go onstage and show them how it goes and nobody talks about presentation nonverbal communication nowadays it's all about the physicality everybody walks on stage 300 pounds of Body weight that's all about the physical I think we forgot about body builders today forgot about nonverbal communication going onstage and projecting energy of the audience I never believed that you know I don't like to see body builders asked for applause how embarrassing like that's like the waiter or the

waitress asking for a tip you know they give it you give the waiter a tip because he's a great waiter Wow Good job thanks for taking care of us right when Arnold taught me when you walk on stage just stand there he always say just stand there look at the audience and command the applause don't ask for it don't beg for it but when they see you smiling without even posing people are gonna start there already they don't want to go for the ride okay that's what Arnold taught me I've seen Arnold pose in great

shape Back in the 70s I've seen pose when he's fat the audience still responded like he was in great shape when he wasn't in great shape and that's what I learned you got to go on stage you can have the most muscle in the world if you can't sell it nobody's gonna buy it so when modern day body bruise don't anymore there's no the human spirit is gone it's the physical 300 pounds bodyweight okay let's go to dinner now let's go okay it's back in my day when When Arnold was on the stage and on

Draper and all these guys and reg Park and Robbie and Zane you know it was like we felt like rock stars we thought Lady gaga like Michael Jackson like a you know Frank Sinatra's like wow the fans were crazy in New York and the fans are rolling down the aisles they're climbing on the stage it was like we to be rushed out of there with security guards we'll get you back in the hotel don't worry you know now it's like okay I'm Phil Heath made for half a million dollars you know I'm like I love

Phil it was a good friend of mine I knew he was gonna win seven years ago eight years ago I knew he's gonna win okay I told him that my wife and I told him that but I think he he did what Dorian did everybody copied Dorian since Dorian walked on stage did nothing did something we never did before Dorian opened the door off door up for big beyond belief Dorian did something different but everybody's copied him since I'm waiting for the next mr. Olympia not to copy Dorian to do something unique and different to

where you god I never thought of that wow that's mr. Olympia and that's what I hope to see before we die or I die but I think it has to involve not just the physicality not being 300 pounds on stage the quality that it has to involve the human spirit you have to get that Actor to being successful bodybuilder you've got to be the athlete the actor the diplomat and the businessman four things bodybuilders forgot about this you got to you gonna be an actor on the stage you got to sell the muscle you have

you gotta give it to the audience where the audience wants to stand on the receipts and scream and yeah one go crazy you got to tell them it's okay to go for the ride when you watch a movie when you watch a great Hollywood movie You become the actor or the actress you're living their life you relating to them none of the body would just give this to the audience anymore that's my criticism if I may if I hum if I respectfully may do that but the actor on the stage the the athlete of course

the the diplomat driving from country to country talking about what we loved them being there or tours being good spokesman and representing the sport very well body Boarders don't talk anymore they don't know how to talk in the National Football League the NFL and the in the the NBA the basketball league they teach young guys how to talk how to interview they teach them how to dress how to be professional you know bodybuilders it's becoming more and more and more of a working-class sport subculture and I love body woody don't get me wrong bodybuilding is

my life it's always been my life it's where I come from and I Have the greatest respect for the sport it's given me a life a great life and it can be more it should be more you hope when you get to be my age you can dent the sport in some way and effective positively because it's given so much to me too many of us and everything comes back everything comes back and I think that the human spirit will come back on stage I think it will it's gonna take some of the guys like

you David to bring it back okay but that's what I see Missing I think we need less science we have a bunch of science experiments on stage everybody is over 300 pounds of three percent three percent body fat I think we need less science and more art on stage art being the human spirit that we miss you know you used we used to see on stage which physique is come bringing back to bodybuilding the human spirit if you will I think more art less science would be a step in the right direction and I certainly

mean no Disrespect to the modern-day bodybuilders I mean there's some unbelievable talent and dedication and focus these guys put into it and the girls put into it unfortunately they cancelled in the midst of Olympia which is that's not that's another discussion for sure but I think we can do better bodybuilding can do better I mean the the worst golfer the worst golfer on the Pro Tour makes about a half a million dollars a year the lousy Assael yirat Golf makes it half million dollars a year okay now it's not about the money no I and

I said that before but bodybuilding you know it's better Phil Heath is more rewarded than anybody in history okay we can do better we can do better okay and I think that we need to train our young men and women on how to be how to represent when I was working with Sergio Oliva jr. I said go and represent put the suit on put the tile and represent Your dad but God's sakes your dad was the myth Sergio Oliva go represent who I competed with on a 84 and 85 go represent your dad and the

royalty of our sport Sergio Oliva jr. is the royalty of our sport he's gonna win almost always even if he's not in great shape he's gonna win does he sir Julie Wood jr. Sergio Lee was kid child son the only guy who would upstage Sergio Oliva jr. would be if Arnold's son competed which is not gonna happen okay As far as I know so Sergio Oliva jr. has lineage he has royalty in his blood and my job is a training him as to pound this mentality into his brain okay and that's that's what I'm trying

to do that's what I do and that's what gives me life it gives me life to revisit and remember those old days and I don't want to live in the old days I'm gonna live in the new days the new days are great okay but I have to go back a little bit because they Asked me these questions sir my parents at first when I was a young boy when I was nine years old and I was in the basement working out reading the wieder book my dad would take me downstairs in the evening after

dinner we read the reader training manual he would say okay bench press he put the bar in your hands and I I couldn't figure out why my elbows were hitting the floor I didn't understand it was a bench press And so we look my dad taught me how to lift weights when I was a little boy I was fascinated by it that when I was in the store I was in a bookstore a drugstore would he call him a apotheke DM I was in the store they had magazine rack okay I'm a nine-year-old kid from

Pittsburgh Pennsylvania I'm reading this muscle magazine I'm like wow look at these guys Dave draped with a long blonde hair and the girl on each arm a girl on each leg and he had this wieder Crusher and his in his chest and like and then Arnold's drinking protein out of their blender and the next page I'm like what a great job you know I want that job I show my dad when I grow up that's what I wanted to do he's like give me the magazine put her with come on kid come on son you

know and I'm like I went home but I thought about it and thought about it and I thought about it I'm like I can't believe that people do that for a living people lift weights For a living how cool was that you know Kathy let's this is even your life for the 35 years I've been going you a little teenager you know when you owned your first gym here you know this gym okay now there's you have three or four gyms right I know but that's how I started okay and my parents were at first

sort of like what is it now because I was into building big cars in my garage I wanted to have the strongest street car you know 427 Hemi you know And that was into music playing guitar I would go to the dances and play lead guitar in a band I you know I was I was into that The Beatles and all that stuff but I was never Eric Clapton I can ever play that good cars were so expensive the cheapest thing to do was body building back then there was no sports nutrition it was cheap

you know and I could get into the gym I could sneak into the gym and train and the lifter was like my attitude and they taught me How to squat so when I really when I started eating a little bit here and there some small powder thing contest my parents went to the contest and supported me when I went to the teenage mr. America I'm like wow the teenage mr. America I want to go my dad said okay I'll take you I'm gonna I'll go fly with you I'm a teenager a young kid living at

home to tell your training partner the gym will go I'll take you to the to the teenage Mr. America I'm like wow how cool is this my parents are finally getting on board you know and I think my dad started realizing that when I started asking for investment advice he's a finance guy he was a coach you know one of those guys he realized that God he's doing he's serious about this this is his life and he I think they realized my dedication when they realized it was up that I could make Money at this

and get financially secure with it they sort of enjoyed it even more and I think they like the popularity of it they like going to the show with the Olympia they like the fanfare and the but it wasn't about being popular it was about being everybody in the audience is my friends you know these are the guys the working-class guys from back home the guys in the gym that they believed they were with me and on they were back then I remember like anybody didn't believe they weren't part of my friends people that gave me

the great energy that's my friends you'd be careful you surround yourself with people that are negative you become negative if your people if you're on people their life is bad life is terrible you become that so I decided to surround myself with the people that were always energetic that's why I went to the west coast being around Arnold oh my god every day Was let's go okay let's go it is America learn how to speak English or know okay I did I did let's go that's going to be governor no way he's governor I want

to be an actor no way 26 million dollars a year oh my god 26 million per film okay nothing you can't do nothing you can't do in this gym if you really want to nothing you can't do in this gym if you really want to nothing you can't do out there if you really want to if you really want to if It's like breathing to you you'll find a way to get it done so my parents realize that that was my intrinsic innate attitude I didn't speak like this as a child though okay they got

on board and I'll they love to or the shows my dad I think was just going because my mom liked it but my mother loved going to Olympia's but the audiences were never fans the people they were there were my friends and I grew up in a very rural working-class Neighborhood and destroy in Pittsburgh and Detroit and all the guys from the gyms they were they were my you know that's it wasn't about the money it wasn't about becoming famous it was just about doing something we believed in and for some reason I had this

belief system that had I had to take that risk and go out and I I thought I could do it I remember being nine years old looking in the mirror going mom I look like this don't I in the Mack muscle magazines Yeah honey you do you do you know but I I believe and it's hard for a 20 year old hard for a nine-year-old kid to look at fillies and go mom no way no way 300 pounds like that had it let's do something else that's the pling they can look at physique guys and

go or bikini girls no yeah I could do that bikini girls oh my god Hungary is unbelievable there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of gorgeous beautiful bikini girls Everywhere it's like the new Beach reminds me of its I think it's better I think Lake Balaton is better than Venice Beach I do okay that's why I'm there but that's my parents to answer your question my parents got on board and they saw what it meant to me but it wasn't just a decision I made as a child he's either be a priest be a Catholic priest

or be a bodybuilder it was what I was thinking about as a nine year old as I thought I should really devote myself To something so the mentality I had going into bodybuilding was this is a life this is a career it's not I'm gonna get in shape for Facebook I'm gonna get in shape for Instagram post I was willing to put the time in and spend 30 40 50 years in the business that's what I wanted it to being into what he became what I wanted it to be it became what I expected to

have happen when you believe something and you put the energy out to the world to the universe you get it Back I really believe this I don't know I I can't you know I I'm nobody special I'm not I'm not somebody that's you know anybody any different most of you have more time than I do okay I'm not any special person but I believe that if you gave this energy to the universe it would come back to you and I didn't have a plan B I said I sorta did my dad made me get my

you know my degrees and college I was a teacher I could have went back and Taught school I was considering going and getting a job teaching after the Mr Universe contest in 1978 I was at work I was broke I was handing out beach towels on the beach and Zane took me aside Zane said Tom wait I'm teaching right now at Santa Monica High School on the site teach science and mathematics Zane taught science and mathematics at Santa Monica High School he goes the opportunities that come to you it's gonna come wait two months before

the Magazine comes out the phone's gonna start ringing promoters around the country are gonna start calling you I guarantee it you have the leg thing going on that's that's the thing that you should market your legs I'm like Frank you think so I didn't know yeah you have something we never we don't all have okay he said to me here's what you do here's how much you should charge for the seminar and the exhibition here's what you should tell them as far as Getting half in advance you taught me how to book my own shows

so sure enough I was starving ready to I'm like figuring out how to eat tuna for the for the next two months you know finding tuna friends will give me some food you know eight whatever I could do to live in California and all the sudden the phone started ringing promoters around the country started calling me and I'm like wow and then of course I sent out flyers with my picture on we had no Facebook a tom platt it's available for exhibitions and I did exactly what Zane and Arnold taught me to do and aren't

frank said to me he owes now that you're mr. universe you should charge no less than $3,000 to go somewhere so really is yes don't compromise that you're worth that so I'm first time the phone rang hi John how you doing I'm a big fan all the bodybuilding promoters were fans back then right what we'd love to have you come to the mr. Michigan contest and we Want you to guess pose for us and and do a seminar what's your feet three thousand dollars plus expenses great fantastic all I need is I just need half

down to reserve the date on my calendar great we'll send it right to you I'm like I made $3,000 one for my god this is great Frank I called Frank zinzin you won't believe what happened he was you I told you I told you you know now I was doing that fifty Hundred times a year okay for 25 30 years and then other opportunities opened up endorsements and owning companies and I lost a lot of money and made a lot of money and Here I am okay I'm still alive I almost died in the process

a few times another story but it all worked out because of the blue my belief system and I believe you have to believe you have to believe you can you can't in fact in fact find your impossible what is it you think it's Impossible you could never quite grasp that's what you can that's what you have to go after you don't have a dream man you're dead okay it could be a dream of having a family and having a nice tight family and my grandfather made $3,000 a year he didn't want a big glamorous life

he came on the he went on the bathroom the his porch and sat in front of his house every day after work worked in a steel mill in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania and smoked his cigar every evening life Was great made three thousand dollars a year I had some beef for dinner he came to my grandmother came from Austria okay they came from Austria and life was good here in the US but I wanted my dad wanted something different and I wanted something different and I knew it wasn't gonna be about following the rules and doing homes

weren't supposed to do it's about doing something different and bodybuilding offered me that opportunity And allowed me to utilize my belief system that my parents did instill in me there Arnold instilled in me and for some how God gave me that belief system but the belief system you have to have do you expect to lose you will and a lot a lot of guys are very talented a lot of women are very talented but they don't think they can do it and they don't very rarely does a great Janek talent gifted guy or girl very

rarely do do they succeed on talent Alone you mixing attitude with talent oh my god that's a superstar that's Michael Jordan Magic Johnson that's you know Whitney Houston even though she had some problems you ever see yeah this is right another thing I'd all the arts into real app bodybuilding music sculptor art paintings they all interrelate okay when I watch famous or even not a famous singer belt out a song from the tip of their toes to the top of their lungs and they they believe in the Song they're yelling or singing on I don't

know Britain's Got Talent or something like that wow I'm sorry that's what bodybuilding is to me that's exactly what bodybuilding is to me okay and that's where I come from and that's my story and I'm sticking to it okay hopefully I was able to give you an insight into the mentality it's a mentality it's a choice every morning when I wake up every morning when you all make up you have a choice sometimes Make the wrong choice sometimes I do you want to be negative you want to depressed or upset about something or do you

want to be in a good mood and really going after what you want Adam called me one day early in the morning I'm like I was in a bad mood and I go oh I made the wrong choice no okay let's regroup let's just start over he got out of bed again and what's the first thing I can do and I saw this on Facebook and this I think it was a the Navy you know what they Call the Navy Commander what'swhat's the relay or I don't know a very well meddled guy in the Navy

he talked about motivation he said the first thing you should do every day something positive make your bed make a perfect bed you know he was right this is this is the good thing about social media and I make my bed Adam called me and made my bed perfect okay all right let's let's do this again and Adam had him said to me you know what You always say to me he goes gusted what's that he always said life happens not to you but for you he repeated it back to me I'm like he's right

he's right sometimes a student becomes the teacher okay that's the best-case scenario a lot of you are in the gyms training people the best situation in life is when you train somebody that comes better than you that's what you want you want the person you train to become better than you ever were okay But that's been my life and hopefully I'm a directing though I'm opening it up to your answers and giving a little bit more in a good way after every Olympia I said to my wife let's have kids after the Olympia let's let's

plan on having getting pregnant after the Olympia let's print I'm feeling pretty hat that was 10 years passed by and it was - wife's okay so part of the sacrifice are part of my mentality and I have to take responsibility for this we're all Causative to our own situation of life okay as much as I wanted to say oh I it was them it was me - okay I'm glad I didn't marry the blonde beach bunny okay I didn't marry her though I did marry her and I'm glad I didn't have kids with her because

you know she had the drug-related cocaine issues the whole social problem I put her in detox okay I'm glad it just didn't work out after four years that was the early 80s the next seven years the Italian girl from Back east who I turned into a Beverly Hills monster okay her her best friends were making you know $40,000 a month from alimony because they were married to movie executives and they get divorced and I was living I turned her into the Beverly Hills person Santa Monica now is Beverly Hills by the beach I was into

the stuff you know what Canyon stuff is what the answer is and I believe that at that time so my third wife who I'm still married to cha David Knows her she's the best thing that ever happened to me I'm much better with her than without her I got to tell you she's everything I'm not everything I would dream about as far as being a person in a spiritual individual you know just a genuine person she is I'm very gifted in that sense she's very intelligent very cerebral she's retired doctor she's ran companies exactly probably

what I needed in my life in 2000 we were married in 2000 September 11th mm so it's been 18 years and I'm done getting married okay that's enough of that but that's sort of what happened in my personal life at that time so I never had kids I think about it from time to time now I do I go gotta be nice to have kids imbecilic what photo I'm doing now is mentoring young men and women and in business and it meant in being a corporate recruiter and helping people Succeed in bodybuilding in the sport

I would like to have a child if my son or daughter wanted to go into bodybuilding I would probably not be for it I'd be like oh my god just do something else okay if they really wanted to do it I'd support them I would okay most actors say that yeah you talk to a famous actor no I don't my kids going to the business but he'd do any help because it's the family business so but I do have kids in A way because my gosh Chah does have a child from a previous marriage she's

52 years old so you know it's not like I have a little baby but I have grandchildren from from them and so on and so on so we do have sort of a family in that sense well the one thing I look back and hindsight's always 20/20 you can look back you I could have should have I wasn't ready for that time I wasn't Ready to have kids and we didn't maybe it's good we didn't but it's never the right time I finally realized it's never the right time you can't plan that you just it's

got to happen sort of naturally but you have kids to yourself no okay but those are some of the thoughts I have now I was traveling around the world I was going to four countries a year back then in the 80s with my first and second wife I was doing what I'm doing now it's hard on a Heart on a marriage sometimes would come with me my first wife I proposed to in Germany we're in by the river no somewhere else I forget I forget I feel like OJ Simpson I have no recollection yeah really

I can't remember spending the first I can't remember spending one day with my first wife and I was married for four years I have no recollection of ever living with her ever being married to her Wow and I just amazing how you can block Stuff out okay so I understand Oh Jay men if my wife was driving my Ferrari with some guy I'd be there ready to kill him too you know okay anyhow I shouldn't say that and but I can't relate to him and he was the he was the Arnold oh dear Simpson was

in my neighborhood walking around hey hey old Jay are you doing he was the you know the the black guy who was living a rich white man's life if I can use that I dare use that cultural relation that that racism type Tone and it's not racism it just I never even knew he was black until I thought about it oh yeah I guess he is black he was a guy from down the street lived in a nice house okay close to Arnold that's where I wanted to live of course you know I made millions

of dollars and I blew millions of dollars to I did I got to tell you that if I had to do it over again I probably would have saved more money but I blew a lot of money you know big car is the big houses and stuff it's Meaningless to me now I already care about it i'm i used to love i wanted to have stuff i like nice clothes and stuff it's not about the stuff stuff comes and goes money comes and goes the way you affect other people the way you affect other people

like kids or people last forever if i say one thing today it affects you it affects your kids it affects somebody else your friends and that can change life's I mean Ben wieder was right Ben wheeler said if we can its Nation body burning his nation building I'm like back in the eighties I'm like what does he mean what is it what does that mean but really if a bodybuilder with the ability to speak can affect people in the gym we can affect other gyms and other Fitness people it can affect neighborhoods you can affect

cities you can affect countries we can really change the way the world thinks through our sport through bodybuilding through being able to speak and that to Me is Wow we thought I just had his in 1975 Chevrolet endorsed the mr. Olympia Chevrolet the car company endorsed a mr. Olympia I want to go back to that I want to see Mercedes Benz sponsoring the mr. Olympia you know Wow like they do golf I want to see the way golf were here I was around I worked with golfers I sort of helped golfers with the mentality and

training and all that stuff it's wonderful sport it's I want body but Need to be like the PGA to where Gulf were tribal first class or coach or whatever but it's so professional so poised to go in the locker room of a country club is like wow life is good life is full life is rich you know that's what bodybuilding should be okay not about the money but it should be about the feeling of confidence that we're doing something that's creative and meaningful to others not just being how big can I get and how Cal

freaky can I get and have nobody really appreciate it anymore granted art should bother people sometimes art should bother people sometimes so in all due respect current day bodybuilding as art is bothering me and many others everybody talks about the golden era everybody wants to go back to the golden era and I'm like wow how do you know about that you're 20 years old you're talking about the golden era you know so that's another Thing I tied up that's why I love Hungary okay going to the beach and Hungary and to Lake balla balla tone

is like there's a there's a love for bodyboarding and a sort of an essence of the spirit of bodybuilding like Venice Beach used to have okay and that's I think Europe could be the next mecca okay and in many ways it is in many ways it is when did I started going to Hungary oh well Adam maybe you can answer that Better than I can you know when did bodybuilding start becoming you should you should see the events they have there what the events are huge when did bodybuilding start becoming popular you're 33 years old

so you were you were born probably when I studied my first seminar here you know recently that happened over the next five over the recent five years yeah ten years but it has the you don't think it's know it Will be Adam always says to me he said anything's possible in Hungary he yeah he says anything's possible in hungry I'm like okay he's like easily he's influencing legally Arnold did back in the old days and it you know and Hungary is the doors are opening up to where there's so much energy with within the super

body's big great show tremendous participation I mean SciTech is huge in Hungary you know it's monstrous and it's like Wow what opportunities there are for an old guy like me in Hungary and of course you know in Switzerland I like Switzerland sexy okay it is I know if you guys know that I mean watches coming to the airport beautiful watches money in chocolate oh man it's a great country okay that's what I see and I look outside the window with the hotel oh it's like Germany only quainter really cute and you know it's like I

want to taste Everything I'm gonna can I try that can I try this you know there's something about Switzerland you guys don't know how great it is I'm gonna come back we're gonna come back here for sure okay sir okay where are they going it's happening well certainly bikini is popular bikini is very popular I I've when I first went to the gold gym back in the 70s there was no female bodybuilding there's just it was a men's sanctuary Gold's Gym the First Gold's Gym was a men's sanctuary we went there and talked about our

date last night we squatted and we trained and and there was two or three girls in the gym in the 1970s that was gold gyms membership Lisa Lyons Stacy Bentley nobody remembers this is too long Lisa Lyon yeah yes yeah she was fantastic yes yes I think in and first at first I was uncomfortable with women being in the gym like how can I train with a girl here being here and then it became Popular and there were no no women's restrooms in the gyms and then of course Joel gold you know made it to

where we functioned together and we trained together and it made sense to me why shouldn't but the sheer idea of a woman doing that was like it's like it's like a man doing a curtsy you saw you know I can I mean it's like I couldn't quite put it together but I've really come to appreciate the female physique you can look I think a trained body and men or a Female or a male is is beautiful it really is and when a woman realizes that she can look more like a woman through weight training they

get serious very quick they get serious right away and I missed that and the women's body building it took different steps I think it got into bodybuilding to where I'm like it was just incomprehensible by the general public I love Li Linda Marie Linda Marie is a great friend thanks she's the epitome in the beautiful Gorgeous woman I know her husband real well my wife and our good friends with them okay and I think she a pedophile she's the epitome of what body but he is for a woman and racial an old friend of mine

I traveled around the world with racial yet we went to Japan together we went to we crossed the International Dateline together we have a lot of stories you know I traveled I think Cory Everson was a great influence when I first saw Cory Everson I'm thinking she has no potential at all for bodybuilding four years later she was unbelievable she's a great trainer her husband at the time Jeff Ibrahim but I think women's body bullying is undergoing some changes as the men's are I think that will open up again it will open up again I

think that Linda will bring back female bodybuilding I think she's elemental and bringing it back and I think a lot a lot of the practitioners in women's Bodybuilding wanted to come back but I think it's hard to really understand FEMA you know a girl looking like a man it almost has a transgender kind of connotation to it okay although with all respect we're judging muscle I know those powers yeah well if I may respectfully and humbly give my opinion I think men's body bullying is means too much as always too much is never the answer

too much of anything is never the answer too Much muscle not enough quality is what I see in men's bodybuilding and the women too much muscle on a woman is hard to understand and fathom even though it's art in some sense I mentioned that art the current state of body bullying the art does bother me aren't supposed to bother you sometimes good art does bother you for a reason that's what art does Art's meant to enlighten motivate or bother people sculptor art paintings dance theater is Meant to movies are meant to bother you or enlighten

you or motivate you so with all due respect the art of bodybuilding it is art and it's bothering a lot of people nowadays and the women are in there and even the men it's bothering as we as an as an analogy or a comparison we used to be in two hot rods and that was bodybuilding hot rods now bodybuilding is funny cars we like and appreciate funny cars we want to go back to hot rods does that make sense that Analogy I mean I love the industry the sport it's Who I am it's where I

come from I'm just criticizing my own backyard I'm criticizing myself I'm not lending disrespect or ill thoughts to bodybuilding and fitness I'm talking about what's inside me where I come from and how I view it and I I think that it'll come I think woman's body will come back with people like Linda Marie who's who can provocated probably you Know provoke it in some way I think it's it's a wonderful activity for a lot of the women the practices oh yeah absolutely okay and I think the men the classic physique I think that's the new

door I think it's going to open the door for a lot a lot of people do I have the answers right now and no but do I know that I can tell you one thing change changed nothing stays the same okay and I think the the night in that The me apart a or the the the youngness of bodybuilding people want to go back to those times when it was simple and I think that we want to make it we want to portray the goodness of bodybuilding the greatness of bodybuilding rather than the dark side

there's a dark side to everything okay I mean there's drugs in corporate sport and in corporate when I was in the corporation you know the caffeine and aspirin not to mention you know cocaine and everything else does That make a CEO no this drugs make a superstar athlete or bodybuilder is their drugs and body but ensures their drugs in sport sure does that make a superstar athlete no drugs doesn't make a superstar the superstar makes a superstar I don't even think it's genetics I often think way it's not genetics it's an attitude it's a belief

system that makes a superstar granted usually do something you're good at though I wasn't know you would do Something you're good at but I even think that your attitude will take you any much further than any genetics your attitude will take you much further than any genetics I mean that I mean I could I could look at Arnold's physique and sort of die except and say well that wasn't good that wasn't good well that could be better but he's the greatest of all time you know but you ever see his pose went back in his

heyday oh my god oh my breath was taken Aback good oh my god it's like you know that's life life is the moments to take your breath away we all think it's about how many breaths we take his life it's not not how many breaths you take life is the moments that take your breath away when I watched Arnold on stage back in the old days when I was a kid took my breath away when I walk into the G gold's gym my first time in Gold's Gym in Robbie Robinson is underneath that that light

Doing a light barbell and I'm like you know this light was magical light this magical skylight I'm like my god it's unbelievable that's what that's what got me in and I was like I I decided that like those pictures when I was a kid those pictures that artis eller took Rd Zeller took pictures of Dave Draper and Arnold on the beach Zane I had that picture of my wall in my office wall I have a picture of Trump okay I have a picture of Dave Draper When it met that nine-year-old kid going that's what I

want to do dad okay and it's been a great life and you know I can talk about the dark or the negative and anything anything hey money is needed but there's a dark side to money too and we need it we need it all you need we need it in a balance where we really need okay now balance is hard to do that's my current daily activity the cific and all the things I think about I'm gonna I'm Gonna try to share this with you there's seven different facets of life that where I try to

balance career health finance financial health family health social health mental health what you allow to enter into your your mind what else is there there's two other ones first financial career family social mental spiritual health and I mentioned a missing one what is it physical health yeah all the most obvious one physical health all those Seven things I have written down in my notebook my journal every day and I can't I can never seem to remember the whole seven and I'm asked to remember all those things but I that's probably I have a problem with

it again but I try to balance that and never had that balance my whole life I never had that balance I had career health and financial health but everything else sucked okay if I look at my life so my goal is an old man Is to balance all those things and every day early in the morning I think the time to have my ritual right celebrate the another day and I take the time to think about all those things before I actually start doing stuff before I get involved and we start traveling to the next

country in the next country in the next country but that's really what we need and I really think this is a training camp for what's next okay I can't believe this is it Okay and Steve Jobs my wife used to know him he called the house one day there's Steve Jobs I'm like no way who is this friend of mine you know it's cha there yeah they work together back in the old days and Steve Jobs gave her a new computer because her computer failed but he talked about this before he died he talked about

you know how he has all the money in the world and is that really success and he had listened to his some of his final thoughts it is tremendously Moving and it just startled my life okay that's probably one of the major reasons I'm doing this again and talking like this again because it's time to start getting back to what I know best and doing things I know best that I believe in and the Church of bodybuilding this is a church these are all churches that's right very spiritual squatting for reps is very spiritual your

life passes in front of your eyes and you see God you know you don't in a way okay but That's my mentality and thank you for allowing me to go in those directions but your questions are very provocated and provoking to me and I hope you don't mind me wandering over all over the place in an effort to answer those questions is is as best I can okay other questions or viewpoints or thoughts [Music] well social media social media is good in bed they're pro and con to everything There's a pro and a con to

everything a lot of people I know who come to the gym every day they haven't done nothing but there's on social media they become internet gurus internet champions knavery competed never competed in sport but their gurus even some of the ones that have won some stuff are making more money than most people in the industry I'm like what is that and so I'm being persuaded and pushed to become a social media person which I'm not okay I Realize the importance of it there's an importance to you can share a lot of things a lot of

people but in my day we had to do something to become famous now you speak people just do get on Facebook and Instagram to become famous so I think there's you know a downside to social media it's a mr. Olympia or any bodybuilding show people post daily selfies of themselves there's no mystery we used to wait to mr. Olympia we couldn't wait to get to Columbus Ohio we Would drive up from I was in school with a bunch of people in the car get up would get to Columbus Ohio like we couldn't wait to see

the show okay it was fantastic but we didn't see anybody from the whole year there's no facebook there was no Instagram we don't wait for the magazines to come out every month like anxious kids like when is the magazine the other magnet you have muscle and builder and power is it out yet ah we go crazy I'd read every word Ten times back to back you know I think that social media just the fact that it's instant the fact that it's quick people don't think in terms of devotion and meaning to up anything to anything

they feel entitled when I was a corporate recruiter the average 25 year old would feel entitled to a job I'm like if I had a job interview which I did and I'd be there on my deathbed I'd be at my best suit going I'm here to interview I'm hurt I'm either early not Oh I'm gonna cancel it's raining today you know so get back to your question I think we're at a time when I don't know about other countries I haven't studied other countries enough but in America most young people feel entitled the what's the

word they use millennial the average millennial feels that they should get a job and be given stuff they don't have to work for it there's no work ethic in America modern-day 20 year-olds in America they have no idea What work ethic is they expect it to be given to them that's why like hungry people when hungry wasn't so long ago communism was popular right Adam it wasn't so long ago when hungry calm music calling the communism was the chosen way of life they didn't choose it but now it's not communism correct well he did we're

getting into a lot of discussions I know that I wasn't even prepared for this but I think yes it was put on them they Didn't they didn't say I want it what I'm getting at though in Hungary there's work ethic some of the guys in the gym even the bikini girls man this is an opportunity to become to do something to become good at something and they say they go after it I mean the gyms there's 20 gems that cutler gyms that I go to man they're packed with people that have great energy there really

is the super bodies they have there's good energy It could I could look at some negative - okay I can't but I like that and that's what I see in Europe and that's what I see missing in America I haven't really studied every country enough to talk about this certainly not Switzerland I've Lehmann here for the last 24 hours okay but things come back and I think that in America work ethic somehow needs to be instilled in young people and I think it will again through trials and Tribulations and problems than maybe re-educating in America

there's a big problem with that but one thing I do want to share with you is that opportunities will always come to you if you expect opportunities and when they come you see them for instance in 1979 in 1979 a maid I was made $40,000 my first year as a pro in 1979 I was rich in my mind okay and I had the opportunity they offered me half of gold's gym for $20,000 They said for $20,000 you can have half of gold's gym ownership keep in mind there's only one gold's gym back then there was

one Gold's Gym ten guys five girls that was it that was the fitness industry okay I'm like are you kidding me I want to buy a Corvette instead okay I bought a Corvette biggest mistake in my life or one of the biggest mistakes in my life Abelardo Corvette instead and if I were to spend $20,000 half of my earnings That year in 1979 I would own half of gold gyms around the world okay so I didn't have the business vision I never had the business vision that a lot of guys did have Arnold was buying

property in Venice California this dump hole in a wall place the gym the reason Gold's Gym is in Venice it was cheap cheap rent okay but I never had that vision of how to purchase properties 25 years later I was asked to invest my neighbor my neighbor said Tom I want you to invest in my my project I'm starting a new company I'm gonna I'm gonna start a coffee shop on my coffee shop even buy coffee anywhere so I decided not to invest with him nudee card called his company Starbucks okay I'm like I missed

it again okay I can never see the vision I didn't have that talent if you will I couldn't not smell that Arnold's could smell that Trump could smell it Vince McMahon the owner of the WWE could smell It I had no idea what these guys are talking about but opportunity is gonna always being come to you and I think a lot of the young people need to realize that opportunity comes to them but they they have to work for it they can't just expect it to come to them they've got to work for it when

you're working hard at something and what luck is people say yeah you were lucky but luck is when preparation meets opportunity and I trained for Years and years and years and years I wasn't the guy I wasn't the chosen winner I'm standing on stage and I watched Ron to for 1978 at the mr. America contest called be angry because he lost he called the judges names and walked off the stage and I'm standing on I'm the guy because he walked offstage mad and angry and called the judges I don't know bad names in the early

70s mid 70s we were all on high fat low carb diets mainly because Arnold said to do Arnold Draper Zain all my heroes I had all their pictures on my wall in my bedroom as a boy okay and I they were up we all taught that low carbohydrates low sugar was the answer and high fat was the solution high fat metabolism 1979 in my first Olympia 1980 my second Olympia I decided that I had to change something because if I kept doing what I'm doing I kept getting what I'm getting I wanted to Place higher

than mr. Lippe I wanted to win the mr. Olympia okay so I talked to this mic mentor Mike was very convincing to me that a high carbohydrate diet could be conducive to me I thought about it a lot and I adopted a high carbohydrate diet ate 300 300 grams of carbohydrate a day less than 10 grams of fat a day in 1980 got pretty good results 1981 same approach high carb diet high sugar diet low fat diet got in the best shape of my life that was the Answer to me I thought back in 82

three four five six that I should keep doing exactly the same thing in hindsight hindsight's always 20/20 I should have switched metabolisms I think the secret lies in switching metabolisms going from high fat metabolism to carbohydrate metabolism years ago when life was about farmers and farms during the winter time you would people have fruit sellers they would have special sellers they kept of The jarred fruit right they would eat the carbohydrates that they have that they stored away for the whole winter as the winter progressed they'd run out of the sugars and those peaches and

the stuff in the in the in the in the cellar the fruit seller was to call them and you know eventually they were able to function on fat metabolism the rest of the winter summer came along apples and fruits were available again they switched they switched to sugar - fat - Carbohydrate metabolism so humans responded because of the climate - alternating fat metabolism - carbohydrate metabolism naturally I think that's the secret to bodybuilding we don't do that enough a lot of people do they don't they they focus on this before the show they alternate different

days different weeks but I think that's where the real solution is if I had to do it all over again in terms of my nutrition I would have switched Metabolisms back to a high fat and back to carbohydrates more more than just staying with one thought well I probably would have looked at more in terms of years because I felt that being on a high carbohydrate metabolism for two years work really well from my point my personal experience most people think in weeks and months I was more successful in thinking years I think a year

two years on a high carbohydrate metabolism worked Really well and I think another I should have switched to a high fat metabolism during that during that interim and I didn't because I found something that worked for me and I felt I'd do that all the time but your body changes and that's some of the things I think about now now at age 62 I have a sugar handling problem I can't handle uh sugar I can't eat 300 grams of carbs every day we talked about this this morning I can't Do anymore I can't nothing not

out of choice if I eat three-hour grams of carbs a day I'm like dizzy I'm lethargic I want to sleep 12 hours a day I'm like oh God I call Adam Adam I'm not doing too good today I got I'm sleeping all day my adrenal glands can't handle it my pancreas insulin sensitivity thymus gland which the medical profession will never talk about I can't hang out tolerate the sugar sugar is a Problem when people get cancer order that what should they do my to get rid of the sugar I think your cancer sugar helps everything

we're all including cancer I do much better nowadays at my age having a higher fat metabolism 100 grams of carbohydrates a day maybe maybe I'll push it to 130 with my caloric structure being somewhere between 2,000 to 2600 calories a day that's me this for me but it's it's based more on fat metabolism Which I find is much better for me I can think clearer think sharper that high carbohydrates which I would 20 years ago outtie give you the opposite description I would have said the opposite okay but that's some of the things I've learned

and I think we're meant to do better on fats I think butter butter is essential we forgot about not margarine margarine has margarine has a half-life of 50 years in the body was six it stays in the body For 50 years who knows what else did it what happens but butter does not not have to be broken down by the liver brother gets immediately into the bloodstream my joints my my skin is much better with butter I could get away with it when I was 20 when I was 20 late to beat 3 hours a

day that was I could look good for most of my 20s you know on real low-fat diets no butter just sugar okay but I found nowadays I urge a lot Quicker with a more sugar now that I'm back on higher fats I feel younger I feel sharper feel better I can train hard I can go I was in the gym I was able to touch 400 pounds of five reps and squats I was able to do 315 last year for between 15 and 20 perfect reps you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go back

to what I used to do and I'm not thirty men and I'm 62 years old I have to really carefully plan to do those heavy squats very carefully planned it's Kind of fun no I've never had any problem my life but yesterday perfect pure technique we talked about this yesterday we have two seminars tomorrow perfect technique modern day squatting the technique has been bastardized for lack of a better word the technique is about a hip thrust to take people using buttocks and lower back too much not the quads I believe in a quad dominant squat

the foundational movement like Olympic lifters do okay The foundational movement of the squat in its purity being a quad dominant movement having the back not perfectly 90 degrees but maybe four or five degrees off it's perfect most people who are fitness advocates nowadays squat some somewhere in the area of forty five degrees it's a hip thrust they handle big weights and some of the girls preach good but talk development from squats under those conditions I get it I get it but I think it's much more difficult on The knees I think CrossFit is great at

as CrossFit is and the unity and the family and the energy that they create within the CrossFit community they're all hurting there on their knees because I think it's easier to teach an incorrect squat than it is a correct squat to really be a weightlifter to learn the correct squat it takes years I've seen weight lifters practice their technique with broomsticks for years before even putting the weight on what Do I teach young men and women no wait forget about the wait the technique size and strength will follow but what I've seen happen with squatting

originally in the 1980s people lacked ankle flexibility which limited that limited their squating ability now I'm seeing lack of lack of flexibility in the hip structure in the old day look at pumping iron you see Arnold doing cable rows he's bending wave forward way this way way that way you doing t-bar rows He's moving his hips nowadays because of the pharmacology because of the size of the bodybuilders we choose or machines first so most modern-day body butters come and use all the machines and don't use the free weights and the dumbbells in the barbells okay

as much as they should be initially and some of the some of the negative results of choosing only machines is Lex less flexibility so almost by necessity bod current body butters in fitness advocates squat Incorrectly if I may say so and I got to tell you I'm not all that ok I'm not I'm standing on the shoulders of many great men and women before me I was taught and had the honour of being taught by some of the best in the industry Norbert Szymanski taught me how to squat the best one of the best Olympic

lifters in the world in fact he won the gold medalist he won the gold medal in the Olympic Games in 1972 I think it was but Norbert Szymanski he was working in Detroit and I was living in Detroit for a while my dad moved around my parent family moved around but Norbert Szymanski left his job and go one he won the gold medal in the Olympic Games weightlifting in the heavyweight class he came back to Detroit they said we stupid wedding after he left your job for two weeks we're gonna fire you they left they

fired him from his job after you won the gold medal in the Olympic Games in weightlifting he taught me how To train meanwhile the super heavyweight winner that year was vastly alexia they had parades for him in Russia over the old Soviet Union they had he was a national hero the correct parades for him you know I wanted to go to Russia when I was a little boy I thought maybe the answer to but people forgot how to squat I think there's two things the work ethic modern-day bodybuilders forgot about got a train hard yeah

have fun in the gym You got to go after it most modern-day people depend upon pharmacology Oh take this and take they'll fix it I think we're gonna have to go the opposite way less pharmacology I'm talking about taboo things I know but somebody's got to address this stuff somebody's got to address it and I guess it's me I guess you know so that's some of the things I do address in seminar format not necessarily here today okay but a lot of the modern day pros in Europe there's no what you're telling me and I'll

even propagate this Tom we've decided to take less drugs thank God less drugs back in my day every limpia that I competed in I think I spent almost $300 to compete in every Olympia okay I would out what I would take is what the girls took years ago I mean you know next to nothing and I got great results with very little more is less is more and I think that's where we should be Headed and that's where we're starting I'm getting clue so that's what the industry is realizing but I think that you know

all sport has drugs in there and even in the corporate world has drugs involved in the life of the corporate person the drugs clouds things and causes issues I believe but more importantly to answer your question I should or to say on point I think that because of the choice to do more machines in less free weights The main tools of our trade the main tools of our trade the dumbbell the barbell the main tools of our trade we forgot about that and we're having flexibility issues related to that it's like most personal trainers we

introduced the physio ball into the gym years ago 10 15 years ago the physio ball because most modern-day Fitness advocates were using machines now using more machines all that young men and women see the top Pros using machines they all follow suit use machines we're missing the things that create and enhance flexibility athletic function athletic function comes from free weights the dumbbells and the barbells and the pulleys the main tools of our trade I'm sort of blending a lot a lot of different I'm taking your questions I'm sort of going over here bringing it back

and I'm putting I'm sort of thinking about a lot of things when I answer your questions Hope you don't mind that there's no there's no one liner to answer a question you know there is no one liner people want one liners what's the what's that one line what's the few words that can give me the answer whenever I work with the person usually it takes me 50 weeks to change the mentality and change the physicality and the motor you motor pathway of a 30 year old person 22 work with a 20 year old person I

could change it in two days on cables they have no Bad habits if you will sir yes yes yes right away what I want to tell you is my own made-up story my wife will tell it differently okay there was a time we got real depressed when you lose something that was so important to you and it was a choice for choice but it's time to get out nobody said retire I chose to retire it Was time every decade a new generation of guys come up and like it's time to get out plus I was

still touring around the world till guest posing still showing my legs and promoters like pay you anything just show me your legs that's all and I'm like it was time to get out was it wasn't lost of the joy of it the joy of going onstage I was losing that after 25 years of doing it so I decided to retire I don't know what to do I didn't know what to do is a lot like durian okay and I know durian real well but you when you lose that it's like losing your spouse like it's

like losing an arm or losing a leg what do I do now Who am I Who am I in this world without body moving and so for a long time I said I'm not even go to the gym is why go you can't really go there and do it might go at all so a good 15 years I didn't I didn't see a gym I didn't care about a gym I said that was the old days That was the past and eventually I had no choice I had to get a job okay I mean I'll

you know I was doing some occasional stuff here and there but I wasn't developed on social media yet okay I realized the importance financially of all that yeah I do people were showing me social media amongst the social media was growing I was Facebook what is Facebook anyhow you can make money you can Instagram and you can have an Internet you can push people To your site and I'll calculate I wasn't that person that's why I said to myself I got a job I got a good job I have a lot of degrees I never

really have experience I did work for a short time with Trump and McMahon yeah but that was in the early 90s here now it's 2007 and you know my finance is getting lower I'm starting oh god am I gonna do what am I gonna do good question I very rarely share this with people so I've got on the internet looked for jobs on where they call a call that's Craigslist okay look for things on Craigslist what's Craigslist don't know that looked it and I started looking all the jobs start interviewing I'm like wall I'm really

out of my league I don't know what I'm doing I don't have any skills they would ask things like well you know what kind of programming computer Programming do you understand he had the expertise doing do you have skills with I forget the name that I haven't thought about it the various programs and different things can you do this can you do that can you have the of experience proficiency and this and this unlike know as soon as I said no I had no computer experience like people would laugh at me are you kidding you're

an old guy next they would even say that Back so they look in their eye like right I don't care if you were mr. universe who cares we need somebody can perform here in this industry so finally I asked him interviewing a lot a lot I mean every day for 6 months 8 months I started learning at home a few things my wife's pretty sharp she showed me some things I gained a little proficiency that I could speak a little bit about this is what I can handle and I can handle these programs ok and

Finally we went into the interview and said I can do this give me a give me an opportunity let me show what I can do put me in a entry-level position all right they said to me this this girl her name was Rochelle Rochelle was gorgeous I mean dressed the two tens the beautiful corporate woman just a hint of sexuality but very corporate you know beautiful and I'm like she goes I don't what to do with you I don't know what to Do with you Tom I understand what you came from in your background as

I did some research on you nowadays she did research you're like she goes alright I'm gonna take a chance on you she said that to me great when do I start when can you start immediately okay and I was overwhelmed I was anxious I was sweating my palms were wet just like it wasn't the squat rack when I was a kid the same feeling all over again I'm back at the squat rack all over again and I had to do it I could I had to figure it out and I remember squatting for the first

time with you know an orbitrim asking all the big lifters they would look at me like hmm they put the weight on for me so finally I started doing things in the office and a couple key people really helped me they did they showed me they showed me How to become faster and sharper and quicker I practice on my own time I went home and asked my wife about this and my dad but that and I would ask people to show me this you know at first I was baffled beyond belief I'd go home one

oh my god am I gonna do I don't know how I'm not from the digital world I have no idea after about seven years after about seven years a long time I got good I got good I was proud of myself okay I'm like it go in the Morning I get in there early before anybody else came in just like I did at the gym and I'm like okay I'm getting ready for the day get everything set up and ready to go I'm gonna I'm gonna make this happen and I was a corporate I finally

got promoted to a corporate recruiter position and I studied the mentality I knew I knew people I knew people I could I can listen to people talk and I can interview them and the opportunity now is to do things in World that I was familiar with from bodybuilding in the gym looking at athletes going hah that could have got a job as a coach or something I didn't want to be a PE told I want to do something where I was really uncomfortable and it was when I was it was overwhelming and I could have

failed I did fail a lot of days a lot of days I failed ridiculously bad okay I did big you know what are you gonna do you're gonna just stay down this is what I said To Dory until you gonna just stay down are you gonna get up the only difference the only way to go what's up that's what the squat taught me once you go down you got to get up you got to get up you gotta get up so I talked myself through this I'd get up go to the office the next day

after seven years I built up some proficiency in computer programs I could handle an office environment eventually have my own office you know and I enjoyed I Immensely enjoyed it because it worked hard at it you worked real hard at it it was part of who I was so now I did this video for team and robe okay and Foom went viral that was just on a weekend we did it David and I did a video for Team Angela we talked about the squat the squat the film went viral and had opportunity to go work

again in the industry but I'm not in my corporate world now going hey that's the old days bodybuilding is the old days the Corporate world is my new days right start to make some good money and join it but finally I got to the point to where social media boom developed and developed until I was had the opportunity to come back to the business I know best it was it was a decision I had to make you want to stay in the corporate world and I worked hard at being the guy in that world and

I'm 62 years old doing everything I can do to run circles around 30 year olds okay I'm I had to work hard I didn't come easy didn't come easy at all I had work harder than I did at squat rack which is pretty hard I almost died a few times and I thought about it okay but I'm thinking okay do I want to give that up what I've gained here in the corporate world to go back Kanda bodybuilding I made the decision to say yeah let's go back to bodybuilding let's go back to what I

know let's go back to touring let's go Back to doing things in the bodybuilding business let's build up a let's put up a motivational library use the times you couldn't get up and you got up to talk about with people talk about those times Hungary became available other countries became available thanks to David and team and ro and East labs was helpful my CEO Dino my CEO said to me if you don't go back into the world you know best that being body buddy I'm gonna fire you anyhow I know he was joking I came

back After my first visit to Hungary for two months in Austria and you in the UK and I came back to the office and I said Dino I want to maintain I have to maintain global mobility I have the opportunity to travel again all over the place and to go different countries and be involved with bodybuilding and I have to I have to go I have to resign because I know I expected you to say this okay and so I had to leave the office pack my stuff up and leave and it was it was

Like wow that leavin the gym gone I never come back and that'sthat's what I put in to what I do I don't just get a job I don't just squat for reps and all I could do 10 they have 50 in me by god I'm gonna do 50 okay you know I'm talking about I'm not talented it was life and death either you live or you die which one do you want Tom that was the decision in the corporate life and in the gym but if you want something bad enough if you want something bad

enough You can't let anybody tell you you can't do something I'll repeat that if you want something bad enough you can't let anybody tell you can't do something not even yourself a lot of days I'm like oh you can't do this Tom you can't be as quick as a 30 year old on the computer [ __ ] let me show you a lien I would have arguments with myself I could do it people doubted me I doubted myself sometimes do you know what I watched Arnold falled nobody remembers when he fell down when he was

you know Arnold wasn't the glorified winner as he was in the first 73 75 he got up and I make him a famous film star he became governor he kept getting up getting up I saw Trump do the same thing I saw a lot of these guys I admired in business do it and that's what it takes to do anything successfully in life you've got to want it as bad as you want to breathe And if you want it that bad if you're willing to give it that much you get a big piece of what

you want in life and dreams do come true anything you want can happen and become a reality I believe that sincerely and I'll die on that thought okay and I say that nothing something I read as from something I lived okay and that's my story and I'm sticking to it sure Sure I didn't go to the gym 15 years I didn't go to the gym at all I started running self was missing something was missing my left big time I knew it I started running and that was you know I had to learn how to

run I had to follow people taught me how to run and I could run 5k ran a marathon once you know it's I never do it again okay I wasn't built for that I really wasn't I could get better and better and better at it but I wasn't a runner I wasn't that kind of a muscle fiber type but I could do it I could finish the races I can get better and better and better at running you know it was a trying time but I knew something was missing I tried to replace it with

certain things eventually I started golden gym once a week on weekends I went to the gym and some young guys young one guy was 20 years old I I focused on working with him and his buddy who's 19 I work with them Every weekend we every other weekend we squatted they were young guys they started getting stronger stronger stronger I start getting stronger stronger Mike I'm revisiting the old days in my mind okay no old my old bar I brought out of my garage put it in the car brought it to the gym he'll hold

bent bar you know with tape on it and chalk and blood from the old days let's let me show you what I used to do okay the Flexibility was still there I don't retrain myself to do it but it was fun it was exciting the gym that was exciting to me in fact I've been going to the gym during that time going and Arnold was coming to the gym I said Arnold I think it's more fun now than it used to be yeah but everything hurts and stuff like that but it was just the answers

came to me the more I looked and opened up my mind it goes I had no choice it wasn't really a matter of Staying in corporate life or coming back was just this is what I'm supposed to do your career chooses you your career chooses you you don't choose it there's a reason you're all in fitness okay there was a reason you were led to this just the same way I was led to Gold's Gym Venice Beach is an anointed zombie all of us were it wasn't about the money it was about training together in

one gym 15 people training together in a 5,000 square foot gym that was the Fitness industry back in 1975 okay and so you're here not by choice you're led to this and I believe we all have a destiny we're all supposed to do something in our lives but all of you are good at something I know you are okay yes I can see the smile is let's move yeah for sure this expect big things think big think big you could do it you can do it why do I can't do it take a little bit

of piece At a time have daily goals monthly goals but you can make it happen it can't happen what's impossible in your life go after that have that go after what's impossible you got to have something impossible in your life hate to think it was a blonde girlfriend she's impossible I could never have her okay Arnold I did it okay what's next okay goals were important passion is important waking up in the morning and Having an excitement about the day is important that's what I learned through those times I never had to get a job

I was all of a sudden I won the mr. universe and ban like Zhang told me I had a job for 25 years making big money stupid money I what I did in my 30s close to 40 or in my 40s is what most guys girls doing their 20s but I didn't want to go to Arnold's off and say give me a job and I wanted to go what's it really like to be a regular working guy Interviewing for a job not having somebody know my background what's it like in the same attitude in the

gym as I mentioned here two hours ago when I first started the seminar worked in the office same energy the same attitude attitude monitors talent attitude will take you further than any talent or genetics you have okay attitude is everything that's the one thing that I know I don't know a lot that's what I know okay any other questions I hope I Answer the question okay sir we have studios yeah yeah I remember I was training and I was training for the 81-82 mr. Olympia the 82 mr. Olympia in London now was mine okay it

was two weeks to go I'm doing flies and whoa what's that feeling you know sometimes in the gym we have funny feelings my bicep tore off the bone the attachment site they tore right off so went to the doctor right away he said completely torn you can't train For the Olympia yeah I don't want that I can't take I can't handle that answer I went to the next doctor looking for a different answer I said okay what happened he goes completely torn off the bone he goes if you think you can train for the Olympia

go ahead like wow I thought I need to hear it's all I needed to hear I can still train for the limb for two weeks to go I can't use my bicep at all so I called Mike men sir I said Mike show me how to use these stupid Nautilus machines we don't have to use your biceps you can sort of you know do pullovers like this without your biceps Mike was kind of set down with me in the gym he goes even showed me everything I could do in the gym without using my biceps

but went to the 82 Olympian London it's starting to roll up I could hide it perfectly nobody knew what happened but I I made the mistake of telling somebody I told Arnold and Arnold told the judge And this judge told that judge so when I went onstage Tom can you walk forward please can you show me your left bicep oh my god okay it's over I can't hide it okay so I decided to guess pose it the next few pro shows one was in Sweden those leg shots you see or the actually taking in its

wits whedon okay but I had some great influence during my career I really have okay and I used that down- time he had magazines this morning we Had breakfast together Franko get magazines from the oh I forgot about this I was in the hospital was a big cast on can he make it back panic I used the rocky theme I used all my problems in the magazines and created the whole can he come back to train again can he do it you know and still a photographer has come to weeders photographers take came to the

hospital took pictures of me in the wheelchair and all that stuff that worked for Arnold that when he does knee issue his knee problem back in South Africa okay but my mentors were always Arnold obviously Arnold was extremely influential to me and Dave Draper I don't know if maybe a lot of you don't know Dave Draper Dave Draper was the blonde guy Dave Draper who did TV he did a lot of the movies with Tony Curtis and back in the 60s Dave Draper was the Arnold before Arnold okay but Dave was embarrassed to be a

Bodybuilder Dave didn't like being so popular Dave had a Holley was being going out with Sharon Tate was his girlfriend he was touring the world as an a film actor he decided he didn't like being famous he went to the Santa Cruz Mountains in California and became a hermit oh I can't do that Arnold's The Terminator in real life you know and he could in life he's the Terminator I'm like I can't do that either somewhere in the middle so those Two guys influenced my career dramatically that's really really all my teachers I'm a product

of when I watched Robby going from exercise to exercise he was like an animal in the gym like what style would class the way he moves I'm a stocky jock from back east the way that Zayn moved Zayn would do sit-ups Zhang would do one set of sit-ups for an hour without stopping with his sunglasses on I'm like my god What planet is he from I'm like a god it's unbelievable this gym okay poppy I was like so I'm really I'm really the product of Arnold and Draper I'm a product of friggin Oh Serge knew

Bray Robbie a little bit of Ed corny all the guys that took me under their wings and said let me show you the way kid okay I can remember surgeon who braised skin in 1978 surgeon who braised in the gelatin Look at the skin on this guy look like look like saran wrap for skin beautiful skin like how do you do that and then pretty soon the girls taught me how to pose you know I'm Oh what do you mean I do what do I do with the hair take you teach me what are you

talking about I like the thing you do with your hair that wasn't a poser so really I'm the sum of a lot of people okay and I'm standing on their shoulders so when I talk to you you know I'm not all that I Had some great teachers some wonderful teachers that I thank God were in my life having said that I think that's really long enough it's about two and a half hours thank you all so much well thank you all so much we're gonna stop well it's a little break and we have some pictures

and stuff like that and some individual discussion but thank you all very much for being here and for giving me your attention and provocated those ideas and thoughts I told you I'd Tell you what was really on my mind and I always like to do that but anyhow thank you all very much for your energy with your energy I gotta tell you without your energy all those years I never could have done it I just wanna be able to give it back to you and say thank you very much thank you [Applause] you