we've looked at Sleepers for category leagues but what about for points leagues that's what we're going to tackle today and Michael Bolton has got all of the information just in his top pocket Michael thanks Josh it's Michael Bolton here and it's time for another episode of the locked on Fantasy Basketball podcast let's get to it let's get to it in date you are locked on fantasy your daily NBA fantasy podcast part of the locked on podcast Network your team every day hello and welcome to the locked on Fantasy Basketball podcast brought to you by basketball
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you also for making locked on Fantasy Basketball your first listen every day we are free and we are available on all platform so give it a double bang and a thumbs up and uh leave all your comments down below like I said last week we did sleeper videos for category leagues and now it is time for points leagues so if you're playing in a points League welcome this is for you if you're thinking about playing playing in a points League this is also for you um there is going to be as per usual locked on
Fantasy Basketball Bowl will be starting up and we'll be taking all of the uh applications next week but there'll be a points League uh format for that last year we had how many did we have um 30 leagues of 12 teams we'll see how many we get this season for points leagues uh so be on the lookout for information about how to join those uh in shows coming out next week we will probably do almost definitely do another fantasy basketball points League sleeper video in few weeks time because adps change rankings change information changes with
injuries and all that sort of stuff but this is our one that we're doing now on the 9th of September and I do worry that either of these sites Yahoo and ESPN that we're doing might just change things straight up straight after this and this I think this happened last year didn't ESPN sleeper show them the next day they adjusted rankings and that could happen at any day at any point so just aware of it so what we're going to cover is Yahoo we're going to cover ESPN we're going to cover sleepers again a turn
which is a terrible term and a bad term because again if you are seeking out to watch a show like this the vast majority of you watching these shows you know who every player is you know the majority of situations not everybody does not everybody does and that's why I welcome all those people because someone asked me a question yesterday and said like hey like you say that Ana Rong Wu's ADP is rising but what sort of impact is Alex sa going to have on him my answer of course was nothing he plays for a
different team but not everyone is across all that sort of stuff so while some of you might say yeah that's obviously a sleeper and that's obviously wrong it's not to everybody because the rankings exist and the ads exist and I think there's some outrageous outrageous positioning of players that makes no sense and I don't really think there's any way you can actually argue any of these positions but they're there and someone believes in them so I guess there are Sleepers for some people let's get in and talk about Yahoo you'll be absolutely stunned shocked flabbergasted
to know that there are fewer guys they look at as sleepers on Yahoo than ESPN stunning and that is I will stay tuned for this if you want a a teaser to hang on to for the rest of the show I'm going to say something good about ESPN later on so just be ready for that I will say something good about them we're talking Yahoo here my general criteria which I don't know if I've ever said before when I'm looking at these sleepers or value picks is probably a better way just less sexy way to
say it is that if I see where a guy is ranked I look at Rank and I look at ADP and often they're the same and sometimes they're not but if I can see a player being about two rounds better than that number or for those of you who don't play in 12s and I do have to get away from that default nure of 12 teams cuz by the way if you join a Yahoo prize League now I believe they default to 10 teams which is like honestly so stupid but whatever Yahoo stupid fix it
they won't but that is what the default SP to now so I've got to get away from that Neature so it's about 20 to 25 spots minimum is what I look at in terms of valuing players now in category leagues that can be very different because of the ways of evaluations and all that and punting and all that sort of stuff but in points leagues it does become more straightforward because we're just looking at who do you think is going to average more fantasy points so if I see someone who is ranked or has an
ADP sitting at about minimum 20 21 22 spots is usually what to look at behind where I have them that's where I consider a sleeper for a lot of people majority of people that's two rounds so some of you it might be a round and a half but I think it's enough to consider that a decent enough value situation so let's look let's start with let's start with um five names on yaho and I'm going to just throw the obligatory one out immediately here I think there is some value in taking Ben Simmons with your
last pick do I have any faith in this whatsoever nope no not at all Yahoo's got him ranked at 199 though always remember what this is 156 is a 12 man player a 12 team League player that's how many players get rosted in a 12 te leag 156 14 is 168 so when you're looking at 199 you're not quite looking at a 20 Team league but you're looking at on the fringes of a 16 Team league and I know that if Ben Simmons does play 27 minutes a night he'll be a 12 team League player
but who who who knows I don't but we take flyers in the last picks and Simmons usually is an easier guy to build around in a points leag because again we don't have to worry about the deficiencies like do you give me 25 fantasy points thank you I will take it that's what it is I've got um scooter Henderson here as well Sterling sits with a rank of 175 again putting him out of the purview of 14 team leagues which is an insane position to have him insane and an ADP of 135 remember Yahoo rank
X rank is a fake number and I say fake in a way that is probably not the correct way of doing it it's for an imaginary situation a situation where you are playing a hybrid of category in points leagues trying to split the middle between the two formats and failing spectacularly in that in that way of doing it now I'm not even saying that scoots rank of 175 makes sense in that because he's draftable in all formats but remember that that with Yahoo the rankings they put up and then the ADP does get influenced by
that ranking is something that's supposed to be a combination of points and categories which if you can find me the one person who plays a combination category points League like it's going to be the first that I've ever seen and I'd love to talk to that person about what other problems they've got going on in their life but scooter with a rank of 175 and an ADP of 135 I love it Jimmy soan we could we all can get hung up on man they played him at point guard that was stupid yep cool didn't work
that well he's ranked at 185 and an ADP of 146 I'll take it every day of the week I think he's closer to 100 than 185 honestly and then we go to Washington now the rookies have had some very weird as that comes up at the wrong thing thies have had um weird rankings all through this process over on Yahoo Alex s ranks at 197 a lot of the rookies were ranked in the 500s because they just didn't bother to do it didn't bother to put them into the list I'm not saying that I think
s's going to be awesome I don't think any of these rookies are going to be awesome but I think he's one of a handful that we take a flyer on and again 197 suggests that in a 16 Team league you would just leave him on the wway which I do not believe that you would so I I think s yes some terrible numbers in summer league he's not the best in the Fantasy Point producing situation but he probably has the clearest path to 30 minutes of any rookie out side of him and ret really so
to me he he's got to go there and then we go to PJ Washington the Maverick starting for who is wildly inconsistent we know this and a rank of 193 suggests again that you just shouldn't touch him which is I just think blatantly incorrect I would find it very difficult for anybody to argue against honestly the 60 names we're going to talk about is it 60 how many names we actually have on this show I think we've got you know what we'll figure it out later I think there's a I think there's more I think
it's about yeah about 70 names that we're going to talk about on this show I'd find it hard for anyone to argue with any of those names but maybe you do if you find a name that you argue with and go no actually that value is fine drop it in the comments but PJ Washington at 193 crazy ridiculous what are we doing I know what we're doing we're being inaccurate but that's where we're at let's go to another bunch of uh should we do that no let's not go there yet cuz I got to tell
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on podcast Network including locked on NBA and our live 24/7 locked on sport today Channel um I was guilty in one of my mock drafts was a category League one of letting Andrew Wiggins go undrafted and I I really don't think that should be the case I I I don't know whether Wiggins is going to be a starter on this Warriors team I I I just don't like there's a lot of different ways that they can um that they can go about structuring their squad but Wiggins is ranked at 175 again suggesting that even a
14 Team league you just leave him alone and historically he's always been a much better points League guy than category League guy his ADP is 140 that is insane value Caris LeVert ranked at 169 gigg with an adap of 147 in the future I don't think things are going to go particularly well for Carris in terms of where he sits in an NBA roster maybe the season after next but at the moment he is the primary backup guard for the Cavs it's not ammani Bates it's not Craig Porter it's him behind Garin and Mitchell his
rank is 169 and even in a points League I think he's like 12th 115th maybe even as a reserve got Ron Barrett and you know that I have loved Rowan for a very long time I think he's been an awesome uh real life contributor and fantasy player for so long and now he's just finally getting his Just Desserts and of course that's a lie because I haven't liked RJ Barrett as a player or as a fantasy contributor but I have always liked him more in points leagues now I do like him much more in category
leagues this season but this is where the duel approach the half assing two things instead of full assing one thing with the rankings becomes a problem because the Yahoo rank has him at 101 RJ Barrett the ADP has him at 101 and that's great but that's nowhere close to touching the sides of what his points League value is he's closer to touching top 50 than being outside the top 100 so there is tremendous value I think in looking at R Barrett and that is not a sentence well probably years for points leagues but that's not
a sentence I've been very like aggressive in in uttering out loud over previous Seasons I love what he did in terms of changing the shot mix who knows if he finishes at The Rim at the same level that he has in the uh the that he has it or versus what he did last season I don't know whether he will continue to do that but I also don't care at 101 Brandon psky is the next one we'll look at he's at rank of 135 with an ADP 128 silliness what are we doing I'm I'm very
certain he is going to start I'm not buying the 8 to 10 three pointer is made per game but I am buying it means a large role he is probably a top 100 points League player who you are just still getting at a discount and I don't think that discount will last forever he played 27 minutes a night last season as a rookie and Clay is gone and yes heeld and Melton are there but I do think pods can maybe get six six extra minutes a night and I am uh interested to see it the
bucket his teammate John kaminga this is again one of those ones where kaminga is nowhere near as good of a um category League player of versus points League he lacks some of the peripheral stats but in the points League that doesn't matter he's going to score quite a bit he probably gets second highest usage on this team and that pushes him to the let's say top 70 at worst he's ranked at uh 105 I WR 80P twice he's ranked at 105 with an 8p of 97 it's just insane value you're cleaning up you're getting Barrett
at 101 or kinger at 105 psky 135 Wiggins undrafted these are insane values to get these players who are you know in this sort of a format y this is Yahoo default scoring of course and when we do ESPN it's ESPN default scoring just amazing value there you're well aware also that I have been very very down on Russell Westbrook as a real life contributor and a category League fantasy producer I've been down on him for the last few seasons because I try to adjust my ideas based on what we currently see versus him being
my favorite player back in 2013 but Westbrook ranked at 148 with an ADP of 142 in a points League doesn't make a lot of sense their guard depth is terrible like you can say that Westbrook may not be very good and I would agree with you but Christian Brown Julian St Jaylen pigot these are the guys who would be battling him for minutes and jabal Murray's health is not it's not good this to me he's an absolute no-brainer Russell Westbrook same as Colin seon at 118 with an ADP of 124 I've talked about SE in
category League shows as well I think he starts over Clarkson he might not I'm not sure but he walks rolling as top 65 at the end of last season if he plays 30 minutes a night he absolutely streaks through this number I love it I also amazingly like Julius Randle it is the RJ Barrett Randall does get well actually that's not fair because I think Randall gets some unfair category League criticisms as well he does have some low defensive numbers yes and the percentages can be you though he's free throws have been a bit better
but for points leagues his rank at 65 80P at 65 is crazy one thing I try not to do on this channel is I try not to get inside other men's heads giggity I don't I don't try to look in and and invent scenarios about how they're feeling I don't try to do that hence why I like to provide the cold hard data on contract years in the past I've done it on Revenge games because people well he's going to definitely want to play better against his former team well he's definitely going to try now
he's got a contract on the line and someone had a comment to me the other day about Julius F I said look don't you think that you shouldn't draft Randle because it seems to be like locker room problems because he didn't go to Villanova with the other guys like honestly like I'm not going to sit there and go what was is Julius thinking man I don't have schooltime stories to tell with these players or they're going to force him out to another Villanova player in like yeah look Randall's a weird fit on this team for
sure and he has some negative attributes but I think if we try and waste our time in inventing locker room ideas decisions hierarchial stuff you just you're going to waste your time I think anyway Randall sits at 65 in a points League like that's not like he smashes that even if you went to a different team he smashes out what the big foul what are the biggest birds Z Williamson he's ranked at 53 he ADP is 51 now I get that a large part of that is due to injury concerns 23 points a game last
season his Ste his steals came up his field goals can actually get better and so can his usage even though it was at 30 I think we get more usage from him this season with whatever's going on with Brandon Ingram even though Deonte Murray is there he to me is a probably top 15 top 18 per game points League player that is a big like buffer you were getting given there to like Shield yourself from an injury concern and people still have significant injury concerns about Zion I I do get that he missed the games
in the playoffs after playing 70 regular season games I get it I get why you would have some of the concerns but people also tend to take it too far I was talking about upsides and downsides and someone's like yeah Zion's upside downside is that he's uh out of the NBA after one more injury like that's just not happening that it's just that's look but that's the that's part of the reason why adpn rank pushes Zion to this spot because there's this perception of that you take advantage of it Malik monk I don't know what's
going to happen with dear Rosen there with monk is he going to start or not I'm not sure but I do know that monk can be around 100th I would say even in a bench roll in fantasy points me his ADP is 132 with an ADP of 125 I feel pretty good about him iding value with that uh at that position let's talk about some more Yahoo points League Legends yes I know that it's very easy for you to crack a joke and say man what are you going to like go back on Jordan paol
after he destroyed you last season yeah like yeah that that's how this whole process works I don't hold week to week year-to-year grudges you would never hear me sit here on this show and say a I can't really speak much about this guy I never had him on my team B I'm not going to draft him I had him last year see or he was terrible last season can't do it again he burnt me you would never hear me say that never because I think it's a it's a really bad way it's an overly emotional
way and me not a big emotional guy it's an emotional way of trying to interpret how the numbers work and yeah Jordan PA had some real weird struggles at the beginning of last season he was pretty good at the end and he's ranked at 98 with an ADP of 92 and is there 60 spots of upside in that unlikely to hit but I would find it really tough to think that Paul dramatically underperforms a rank of 98 this season i' find that really really hard to think that that would happen but maybe he does maybe
Jordan P of all people is just my kryptonite that I can't get over maybe that that is possible I don't think it is but maybe it's possible his teammate Kyle kman ranks at 82 with an ADP of 84 he's always been much like Julius Rand a better category League player sorry point League player cuz he struggles with percentages Steals and blocks but in points leagues he's going to score he's going to get rebounds he's getting assists now love it there sakam I believe I had Pascal sakam on the busts show for categories but in points
leagues he's rank at 54 with an ad 52 is immense thievery he's probably a top I say 30 player at at worst probably top 25 in Indiana maybe top 20 it's the difference he is again the player like kma like Randall like banero the guy who doesn't get steals or doesn't get blocks and his percentages can be pretty iffy at times one or both but he scores and he gets rebounds and he gets some nice POS positional assists and that is good for points leagues and the hybrid ranking system fails yet again jram is ranked
at 42 with an ADP of 34 much like with Zion I'm guessing and I'm hoping that he has put at that spot cuz people are worried about an injury valid or another suspension sort of valid probably less valid but possibly there because this is a top 15 points League player per game like without too many concerns for me and the last one is again a player that I have historically loved cam Thomas he will I would like his minutes I I don't know what do you think increases more cam Thomas's usage or minutes he has
31 minutes last season 31 usage last season which one of those two do you think increases the most this season I'm a bit torn on it I'd say it's probably usage but I Reon they both might increase a similar amount now I'm not banking on his defensive stats or his rebounds or anything like that but he's going to do more I'm guessing and that rank at 79 or 72 for Cameron just just feels um too low and you might say well there's a risk there maybe he doesn't see that usage jump the difference between him
and a Jordan P from last season because Jordan paol went to from a a good team to a bad team and we thought he'd do more and get higher usage um the difference here is that cam Thomas doesn't go from a good team but he goes from a team that was better in the Nets last season but he's still on the same team he doesn't have to go to a new team he doesn't have to go to a new organization he doesn't have to go and find where he sits in a hierarchy he sort of
knows already so that is the difference there so I think that hopefully hopefully limits some of his downside in a category League he's rank at that spot is totally fine like in a points leag I think you get value out of getting him there today's episode is brought to you by fan Jewel sports book you've heard us talk about fanuel a lot rightfully so they are America's number one sports book there's a little bit something new going on at the moment though because all the way now and through through to September the 22nd FanDuel customers
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some yahoo points sleepers to talk about but not many we're getting to the end of the Yahoo section of the show got four more guys that I want to talk about here I'm not as big on Denny AIA for category leagues this season I think his usage and assist numbers were really spiking in Washington when a lot of guys were out and he was like the number two and he won't be the number two in Portland in fact you could argue he's the fifth offensive option Simons sharp Grant Aon throwing scoot there as well right
that's sort of where he could fit but I think that his rank of 144 his ability in points leagues is solid enough to beat that number I really like amend Thompson this season and that's without over projecting his minutes I've got him at about 24 which maybe that does maybe that is a little high but I think at 127 I do really like that I got zubats with a rank of 106 and an ad of 102 very very um not invested in zubats but I do think we're going to see maybe one of the better
Seasons from him and the last one is Chris Middleton who originally was ranked at 105 it's coming to 103 the ADP is catching up on that there is still the injury risk with Middleton and his knees and now his ankle surgery but I think that you know on a per game basis he beats this relatively comfortably and when you're looking at around 100 I don't think you should feel you know super worried about the downside risk of that I think it's I think it's all right now now we do ESPN now let me tell you
the good about espan because I don't want to just come across as if I'm just hating on what ESPN does in saying that you should never play a fantasy league on ESPN um the care that they put into it is not existent they there will be players that start games in NBA games who you cannot add for weeks it happened at least five times last season Keon Alice the original one that comes into my head and it's not just the ones that happened in April this was like November December there was someone else like insane
who wasn't getting who wasn't available Jordan Goodwin I think it was right don't care and we sit here on the 9th of September in the US it's the 10th here for me week one of the NFL season's done like fantasy football drafts were done last weekend for the large part and there were no updated rankings on ESPN at all you go into a draft room and they are insane this these numbers are absolutely insane for some of them now the good thing that ESPN does is they do have separate category League ranks and point League
ranks so you choose whether it's a category League that you're in or your points League that you're in or it's a whatever mock draft you do and the ranks from those particular formats preload into your draft the adps don't they are a crossover between the two but the ranks do preload now they're laughably wrong like inarguably wrong but they're there so that's a it's a good effort it's well done we're making that decision and let me just illustrate to one of the things that I think is the worst example of ranking like not including the
jar an 312th that Yahoo put out first which of course ridiculous this one still sits out here do you know what it is because you there's a million of them you could find why is Jaylen Johnson don't even do this why is Jaylen Johnson ranked on ESPN for points leagues at 172 why why is that a thing what do you think's going to happen that they're going to just lean it heavily into moay what are we doing his ADP is 127 that's coming off the bank back of that 172 rank Jaylen Johnson the man that
if you're watching is up on the screen he's 23 years of age he average 16 and9 with three and a half assists 1.2 Steals and point8 blocks and shot 51 and 73 he played 34 minutes a night last season and Deonte Murray's gone he's in year year four year two as a starter Jaylen Johnson yet ESPN suggests that rank 172 in a setting ESPN's a 10 team default League 10 team default League like they're saying here like may maybe maybe you'd grab him with your last pick in a in a 14 Tamer this boy might
be a top 40 guy inexcusable inarguable should be again just the clear example of why there is no care paid absolute nonsense and foolishness and I I'll be honest with you I'm just warming up that is the worst one but by no means is that the only one because one spot under him on my list here is isah hardenstein ranked at 168 like I know that I I'm not allowed to swear like I did in the past where I dropped multiple F bombs this is one of them so you can just insert it in your
brain what are we actually doing here what where are we getting this idea yeah Isaiah hartstein is a better player in a in a points league in a category League format than a points League not really a again not really that's not up for debate I don't think so why is he ad 133 with a rank of 168 last season with a usage of eight without a $30 million it wasn't eight it was like 11 um without a $30 million a year contract and out from Tom thibo allate hartstein averaged 28.6 ESPN fantasy points which
put him 116th so I guess it makes sense that he'd be 50 spots worse this year definitely adds up so you could almost jump into an ESPN league and grab Jaylen Johnson and Isaiah Harr with your last two picks and League's over you're done you won it what's happening Al Horford's ranked at 187 I I know Horford's not as good in points as versus categories he's going to sit back Tob backs but that is nonsense Jaylen Suggs ranks at 158 do we forget he existed like he averaged 26.7 last season it's not super great it's
not super it's it's fine it's not super great it's better than 158 I expect him to improve now that 80P at 136 you might say that's somewhat reasonable but it's also in a default ESPN League undraftable cuz they default to 130 so what's happening and this one this is like obviously agreed as we've spoken about Fred Van ADP on ESPN all season um you can't rationalize this you can't do it he's ranked at um no that says 80P there twice he's ranked at 83 and apologies if this is you if you're an ESPN user watching
this and you've done drafts already but there are people on ESPN drafting who seeing him sit at the top of the Queue at number 83 and going nah we pass cuz his average draft position is 94 average average doesn't always mean median but that means that approximately half of the people are drafting him after 94 you ask what did Fred Van vet average in ESP in points leagues and where did he rank last season I'm glad you asked that question cuz I was going to tell you anyway but it's good to get that from you
20 24th is the answer 24th does this make me angry yeah cuz you know what I'm actually really passionate about fantasy basketball and about this sport slame Hobby and providing information and and trying to break new barriers in terms of research and the way we approach looking at stuff doesn't always um things that I say aren't always right or aren't always correct or aren't always accurate I do my best at it but I get annoyed at this because that is indefensible you can defend that there's no way you can defend that you can't how does
that happen it's just it's really it is frustrating to me the next one I get like you've got Bradley Beal sitting at 106 okay Beal was a frustrating player last season he was injured quite a bit he averaged 34 fantasy points which is good for 84th and he's ranked at 106 do you think he's going to be more hurt or do less than last season I don't so I like it there gaffords ADP is 133 beg Dan Gafford rank at 151 cool cool stuff I don't think he's going to start but I think he's still
got some value there and then we go to the two Warriors Brandon psky and Trace Jackson Davis I spoke about psky already he's ranked at 132 on ESPN with an 8p of 135 it's that that is free real estate as well so we really do like that one and then the next one we go to is Trace Jackson Davis who I don't know whether tjd is going to start he's ADP he's rank both sit at one 37 again that's an undraftable position on an ESPN standard format he played only 17 minutes and night as a
rookie and even if he gets to 21 or 22 I think he beats this number pretty comfortably so this is just one of those ones that somehow was slipped through the cracks the cracks are gigantic over there man there's a lot of cracks happening because there are a lot of players who sit in positions where I don't think they should and Derek Lively fits that same bill he's got an ADP of 144 sorry a rank of 144 an ADP of 131 so both him and Gafford are considered non-d draftable players I think they're both draftable
Lively I do think he's going to play more but you these are all value plays here and I know what you're going to say Josh that someone someone will definitely leave this comment happens every time why do you even bother covering ESPN leagues there obviously rankings are terrible why do you cover the reason I do is because let's say 40% of people still play leagues there and the people that play leagues I'll I'll tell you all the things about where I think they're rankings are wrong I'll encourage you to go somewhere else to play but
people play there and I also just want it to be better so I'm not going to ignore an ESPN in a pre-draft process I'm probably going to marginalize what I do because of the lack of care and encouraging you to go on to other sides to play one of the other ances on ESPN from memory I don't know if they've changed this but when you live in Australia and you go to schedule a draft time you can't do it after like 5:00 p.m. hour time they go we've got downtime from you 400 p.m. till 11:00
p.m. Australian time you okay so can't do any nighttime drafts don't know if that's change so don't hold me on account to that um let's go to the next group I I think there's a real chance that Kobe white is a bust this season on Yahoo he's ranked at 119 or even sorry on ESPN categories he's ranked at like 51 and on points he's at9 the real answer there is Cody's probably a better points League guy than category le guy and the numbers seem flipped his ADP is at 110 his rank is 119 Kobe white
I again that's just it's just the easiest value I think just really just you're slapping in the face Emanuel quickley ranked at 151 undraftable apparently in 10 teamers an ADP of 133 this man might be a top 30 player he might not be but I'd happily wager something to tell that he's going to finish better than 151 happily do that honestly nonsense to suggest that he would be anywhere near that number 17 and5 last season including yeah playing on the Knicks to begin the year 29 minutes a game that's going to go up no rationale
talked about soan in the Yahoo section but he's ADP is at 140 with a rank of 150 by the way ESPN anyone who has an ADP outside 140 just gets given an a pair of 140 so when you see 140 it it usually means worse than that that's where soan sits um Jimmy Harden I get it's easier to hate Harden I get I get why but I tell you what I hate rankings that don't make sense he it number 49 here with an ADP of 46 like this man was not that bad last season and
now there is no Paul George and there is no Russell Westbrook again would you like to know where James Harden was last season well he was 41 ESPN points in was good for 302 so even if we just got the James Harden that we got last season which was a guy that averaged 175 and 8 and a half and only had 21 usage well you're going to beat this number by round and a half but what if there was a situation where the second highest usage player and the third highest usage player both left the
team and weren't replaced do you think maybe that Harden could get better luckily that actually did happen so yeah I think he's probably going to be able to get better from there and then we've got the Padawan himself Colin ston who's just always appearing on these list and the fact that he appears in every single thing where I look at sleepers on Yahoo for categories and sleepers on ESPN for categories and points for Yahoo and points for ESPN and categories on fan tracks it all appears makes me go huh maybe I am misreading this maybe
he's going to play 24 minutes a night behind Jordan Clarkson but midseason they switched that up and that's not what they did and I don't know whether he gets traded or not he's like 25 seon maybe I'm just misreading that if I'm just all everyone else is different to where I sit on that that is keep that in mind too that can be a red and that sets a red flag off in my mind I go huh maybe I am out maybe I'm wrong on sex maybe something I'm just missing something completely but I'm going
to keep putting it out there until something Clicks in my head to suggest that he's a 25 minute night bench player because I I don't think and and I don't like Colin seon as a player I don't think he's very good which has gotten me into trouble in the past shout out to um Chris DTE or sadik Bay oh they're fine take him in the last round hate them as players but the team seems to like them maybe that's going to get me in trouble in that one as well Malik monk sits again in a
weird spot here 132 for his 8p his rank is 123 Andrew Wiggins is a 140 rank again that's very very low man and what about Mark Williams I I know I get this one with Mark Williams I know he missed time with the back injury but Willow's got an ADP of 26 his rank is 107 Mark Williams hopefully we're able to get a full season out of him maybe we don't I don't know but he averaged almost 34 ESPN points a game last season which was top 85 so yeah I'd be all right getting him
at 126 I'd feel pretty good about that and I don't really think that that injury risk is something that I care about at that spot in a draft like that is immense value immense Trey Murphy's got an ADP of 128 so much confusion still still in New Orleans so I understand that part of it he was what 104th last season so still like better than this but I'm hoping we get a little bit more from him and then we get to Alex Caruso who is a better category League player than points League guy but I
think this has gone just a little bit too far with Caruso because he's sitting there with like last season Caruso was 102nd 30 fantasy points a game he's ranked 14 six on his new team the Thunder and yeah he probably plays a little bit less for Oklahoma City he averaged 10 at 4 and 3 and a half with 1.7 Steals and a block he shooting was pretty good and remember there are some efficiency penalties on ESPN scoring and points or Steals and blocks are valued more 33% higher than what they valued on Yahoo um but
146 rank for Caruso just You' be shocked to know doesn't make sense to me don't really understand why it sits there ready for some more we got more I Zubat has got an ADP of 127 that suggests last pick in a in a regular draft there absolutely not we're doing better than that Middleton again the same story 105 ADP 195 rank Chris Paul with an ADP of 114 and a rank of 116 yeah I know Chris Paul's a million years old and Chris Paul is going to miss some time last season Chris Paul was 107th
playing like 26 minutes a night as a reserve in Golden State and I don't think he's a reserve in San Antonio so I'm very happy to take Chris PA P there and much like I'm very happy to take RJ Barrett didn't want to turn this into the RJ Barrett show but here we are Barrett on ESPN scoring averaged almost 32 fantasy points which is top 85 he's ranked at 85 which is about fine with an ad0 of 97 but I actually think he's way better than that this season I think he's probably going to push
top 65 I think and then lamalo ball the reasons for this one are obvious but that is too far ADP of 40 a rank of 31 no no no no way that is just too far and if you might you won't want to do that for him in the first round I understand that part of it you probably may not consider him in the second round lamelo ball averaged 45 and a half fantasy points last season I think he can actually improve on that and I get why he's down that low I just think it
is pushing it down too far the next batch of guys we're going to talk about are not based off the ranks these are based off the way the ADP sits so that's sort of trying to see like the differences between different drafts and where people are picking these players on ESPN CU Derek white is ADP is 76 there are times when Derek white is drafted too high and I've said that many times but he was a top 60 guy in fantasy points leagues on ESPN last season he is going to have no paing us to
begin the year so I feel yeah know 76 is pretty good Zion at 45 is an absolute no-brainer to me Tobias Harris at 95 you might not like Tobias you might think he's boring I think he's boring think he's very boring but I think he's going to have an opportunity to do better than he did last season where he was a top 70 player in ESPN points leagues so yeah like if I'm getting at 95 I'm going to feel very very good about that and I guess the uh ESPN ADP and the ESPN drafters are
worried about the Villanova Knicks and how Julius Randle might get shut out because you don't he doesn't even go here because he's got an ADP of 78 for a guy that was 43rd last season and a guy that shot 20% from the rim for about the first 15 games youf nurkic sits at 110 as an ADP you might not like nerk but you can't argue this part he was 75th in ESPN points per game last season maybe he sees a downturn that's possible I don't think that Mason plumbley is anywhere near as good as yusf
nkic Yousef nurkic's Advanced defensive numbers were unbelievable last season and I know that doesn't translate necessarily into fantasy stats but it means that there's value in him on the court and now we get Mike buher that maybe opens up some offense for him I just know that at 110 that is just what that's Dart throw territory in a lot of spots and I don't think nurkic is much of a dart throw Anthony Simon sits at 108 I don't I don't even know how to why that why that would be the case 65th last season got
injured in game one of the season the team is bad maybe he is traded getting him being at 108 is like how how how do I explain that I can't that's simple same with Cam Thomas who was 93rd last season his ADP is 90 now I do get it there are efficiency penalties on ESPN but I think his volume is going to outweigh this now I don't look at this one is like as much of a difference as the Yahoo one but I still think that is pretty crazy Miles Turner another one where the ADP
just doesn't work for me he was a top 70 per game player last season his ADP is 87 should be able to beat that number I'd say what about the jayen Bronco the Jaylen Bronco what about the Bronco Jaylen Williams ESPN current prediction would suggest that he's going to be identical to last season his ADP is 53 guess where he finished last season 53rd yeah okay so that's year three for Jaylen Williams without Josh giddy so he's not improving at all I think he's improving a lot very happy to take very happy to take him
at 53 and then Kate Cunningham sits with an ad of 49 Kate of course had some struggles early last season and the team was pretty bad and he still finished 39th per game he could crack the top 25 but at ADP 49 he probably doesn't even need to to get that value the last five names we're going to talk about here on ESPN the big filer himself again Jordan P just positioned too low the hate on Jordan paol continues to go too far I think now In fairness Jordan P's ADP is at 100 last season
he finished 111th per game so he actually was lower than this so I get it I think that the whole season production from pool is probably not supremely indicative of what his season's going to look like for example the last two weeks of last season he averaged 45 ESPN fantasy points and he was 25th not saying that he's going to be 25th but I feeling more confidence that he beats 100 the bucket John kaminga has a um an ADP at 90 I yeah I I think that again someone's going to take on Klay Thompson shots
it's probably kaminga now kaminga was only 129th last season he's up to 90 so that is an improvement I just think there's actually more that he can go from there Jarrett Allen's at 83 centers in points leagues usually just aren't that exciting but he was a top 50 producer why is he going at 83 he's not he's not been traded he just signed an extension this is the easy money stuff that you can do Nick claxon an ADP of 81 now Clon there is a bit of a risk that maybe he has traded at some
point maybe he like seeds minutes down the stretch to dayon Sharp maybe but he had like an undoubted um down year last season clo and he was 63rd cool you just take you take 20 spots where you can get it if you can get 20 spots of perceived value that might go higher will you take it and the last one we want to talk about here is yakob purle who in a season that was midh which was fine he was 80th his ADP is 102 again we just take the value if we're getting 20 swots
of value with every pick that we make and then we get Jaylen Johnson and isaah hardstein pretty hard to beat that in fact I would suggest that it is nigh on Impossible and that are our there are points League sleepers and I I am not covering uh sleeper leagues because they are obviously a very different setup it's a terrible setup and sleeper needs to change the way that they approach things um their scoring system is also like their default scoring system is like insane it's so bad their UI is great that's true but they refuse
to make any sort of meaningful changes or options on their basketball side so I'm just not going to talk about and also their adap data is just not easy to find and I'm just not going to do it sorry guys don't forget to follow this show give us a thumb give us a subscribe and of course leave those comments which one of those 70ish names if there was more than one let me know that as well which one of those guys did you think Josh no that's actually fine and they're not a sleeper actually maybe
you're wrong which one of those guys did you think I can see some arguments you might have for some of them a lot of some of them's no way you can argue it and that's okay follow subscribe blah blah blah guys we are done here thank you so much for listening everyone see yeah [Music]
