[Music] you must go toward yourself before you find peace so i'm trying to give you tools on how to do that it's a hard journey it's a real journey it's a journey that's going to take you way outside of being comfortable when you want to fit in with people so badly normal people no better than you you do whatever you can to fit in that's a bad place to be you lose yourself in Trying to create a character that other people will accept like i've said a million times before the most important conversation is the
one you have with yourself you wake up with it you walk around with it you go to bed with it eventually you act on it sometimes you act on it good sometimes bad you got to change the internal dialogue that's david goggins this week On the ritual podcast [Music] the ritual podcast hey everybody how you guys doing what's happening my name is rich roll i am your host this is my podcast welcome and welcome to 2019 a new year everybody how you guys doing how are you feeling are you excited i got a great show
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had a tremendous impact on on me and my life and in many ways it it was his example i credit his example as inspiring me to enter the world of ultra endurance many years ago and and quite honestly i'm really not sure i would have ever Achieved the things that i have achieved as an athlete had he not lit the path before me i published my first conversation with david exactly two years ago on new year's day 2016. and he's like a podcast star now but uh that conversation was really his coming out party it
was his first real long form podcast and to date it is by far my most popular and downloaded episode In the history of this show over the last six years by a long shot well now he's back and i gotta say better than ever for those new or unfamiliar david is among many other things the only member of the u.s armed forces to complete seal training including three hell weeks as well as the us army ranger school where he graduated as enlisted honor man and air force tactical controller Training which is unbelievable but david is
perhaps best known for his superhuman feats of strength uh including setting a world record for most pull-ups in a 24-hour period and for competing in an exhaustive list of the world's most difficult ultra endurance challenges uh simply put david is arguably the hardest human alive and and quite possibly the most inspirational figure you're ever going to come across and i Say that without any shred of irony or hyperbole whatsoever so picking up where we left off two years ago he is here to blast you into 2019 in a couple few but first one of the
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guys it'll change your life okay goggins without a doubt david is one of the most remarkable people i have ever met and what makes His testimony his experience his journey so powerful is everything that he has endured to face and and overcome this unbelievable laundry list of life obstacles that are so unbelievable and seemingly insurmountable that that it's astounding everything from asthma sickle cell anemia psychological and physical abuse obesity academic struggles even a congenital heart defect that often left him competing and Winning races on a mere fraction of his actual physical capabilities david recounts his
journey in vivid detail technicolor detail in his incredible new memoir that just came out it's called can't hurt me and i gotta tell you guys this is one of the most powerful and impactful books about redemption and personal perseverance that i have ever read if you pick up one book this january or this year please make it be this book can't hurt me i Really think it holds the potential to change your life and if not that at a very minimum reframe your personal sense of capability i highly suggest the audiobook version which is read
by his co-writer and my friend and former podcast guest adam skolnick from rrp 218 he is the author of the book one breath about free diver nick mavoli which you guys might remember in any event after every chapter David and adam engage in this off-the-cuff free-form podcast conversation between the two of them kind of breaking down what happened in the previous chapter and and sort of anticipating what comes next and i found that to be utterly compelling so i highly suggest you check that out in any event picking up where we left off two years
ago this is again i gotta say one of the most powerful podcasts i have ever produced It's a conversation about the primacy of purpose to cultivate your inner voice it's about passion and self-accountability it's about the limiting beliefs that hold us back and and the importance of mindset to overcome them and it's about the embrace of suffering as a crucible for growth and self-knowledge so welcome to 2019 people it's time to torch complacency it's time to get Brutally honest with yourself to embrace vulnerability and as david would say to callus the mind to get comfortable
with being uncomfortable because your life is not some future event people your life is now so here's goggins in all of his beautiful unfiltered glory all right let's do it let's do it man man [ __ ] goggles that is like the refrain throughout the audiobook man skullnick popping in with just like after every chapter like man goggins what the [ __ ] i mean i thought i knew the story right and i know a lot of it right uh there's just so much more there man so much more man unbelievable it's all surfaced man
i only had an hour to talk to people in the podcast you got to get the surface version of the the book goes Deep dark into the sewer yeah tells you everything it's an incredible accomplishment uh it's such an unbelievable document it's gonna inspire and catalyze a lot of growth in a lot of people man so first off like congratulations on getting this thing done thank you a small thing no sir uh and what's amazing about it before we even get into the content of it is that You made this decision to self-publish this book
yes sir right now it's at like number two or number three on amazon on of all books right right that just doesn't happen with a self-published book and you've been able to do this without any mainstream media whatsoever like i did a google search this morning i wanted to see any hits that you had like in the last Week or in the last day right you're not on the today show you're not on america you didn't do any of that this is all self-propelled diy and to go from uh you know that place to the
very top like selling the number of books that you're selling like right out of the gate is just insane right there's got to be a lot of people in publishing looking at that going what is going on here well That's been a story of my life i uh i see something that's that's quite off quite not the same and that's what i go for i've this this book is exactly who i am as a person exactly the way i did this book is how i've done my almost my entire life is i see what is
not the norm what's impossible with we know what all The theorists say you shouldn't be doing this that's the wrong way to go and i'm like hmm let me see if i can pull this [ __ ] off yeah let me go over here man let me pull this [ __ ] off was that part of the the challenge the decision i mean i i it seems to me that the decision to self-publish was generated more by a desire to really you know own your story that was that's it a hundred percent yes There was
no driven message with me trying to prove people wrong or whatever it was a hundred percent by me wanting to own my life there's a lot of people i know that that i speak with right now that have nice book deals out there and the people who buy their book with their publishing house they can't even talk some of this stuff you know in like like in speaking engagements and i'm like what you can't even talk your story and some of these they're Like no like i got to make sure that they're they're aware of
it and i think no man i want to own a hundred percent of the suffering i went through in my life i don't want anybody telling me hey guys you can't say this i would lose my [ __ ] what you what i suffered this this badly and you you could [ __ ] tell me i can't say this there have been all kind of problems with that one so i made sure that i wanted to own all of can't hurt me and Own all of my own life story so that's what it really is
all about well you really have ownership not only of your own story but your ability to tell it right and you know as a as somebody who's like a member of the ultra community you know i remember and i think we talked about this last time um you kind of disappeared for a couple years there from around like i don't know what it was like 2009 2010. 2013. yep you had like a website and a Blog that would get updated once in a while and i would check in and try to see what you were
up to and you just went totally dark i went ghost man yeah and i didn't know about the heart stuff there was something about like oh there's a health thing that you're dealing with right and i thought oh this guy's just disappeared right but you were that was the recruiting era right where you were just on the road telling your story and putting in the reps right On how to tell your story so it was the recruiting error for me when i started becoming like the uh the the navy seals needed more blacks in in
the seal teams and that's something to understand like you know why did you become a recruiter in the seal teams i was one of the few black guys you know and i and i had already done bad water so i got a little bit you know small bit of notoriety for doing bad Water and so the uh navy seals like oh my god you know like we could use this guy to uh try to get the the one percent of the african americans and navy seals up to maybe two percent and so i hit the
road started doing that but i also hate i'm not a big guy on social media so i was actually happy to kind of pull away from it you know i'm just not big on that stuff even today i'm just not a big fan of it man i'm a Big uh introvert i get a lot of my strength from being introverted and um going out there and doing what i do is very all this is very difficult for me man all of it yeah it's funny when you say you're introverted because you're so good you know
when it comes to sharing your story and it's so compelling and you know there's a lot of people out there like they're quote unquote like influencers or whatever would be like Wow like this guy's got i don't know what do you have like 600 000 plus on instagram or something like that yeah and for somebody who's you're averse to it you don't like it you hate it you only post once in a while you don't really advertise what you're doing at all but you've grown this huge following of people who are super interested in what
you're doing well i think it's important um to do things you don't like and i am i was very ashamed of my life Story for a long time i i i didn't want to go out and tell anybody [ __ ] about me so that's why i had two people i you know i created one david goggins and one goggins right and um i didn't want people to know that i had all these issues but after a while people start to give you these different taglines you know like you're super human you're amazing they start
i'm like you [ __ ] don't know anything about me man i'm This insecure kid i started realizing there's a lot of people out here who are going through a lot of problems that i once tapped into you know i had a whole bunch of issues growing up and you know i i felt compelled to this you know what you guys start sharing this stuff man because people see where you're at today they see where you're at today they they see the man you are today this this hard Rock hard human being show these people
where you come from right so many people as possible it's funny when you're reading the book like once you get into the later chapters like six seven or eight you know all the way to the end you start to forget chapters one and two that's right you start thinking this guy is a superhuman and then you gotta remind yourself like oh man look where he came from right i actually do that in The audiobook in the audiobook well while adam's reading we have a moment where we stop because we're like six or seven you know
six seven eight where i start doing all these crazy feats and start going way beyond human limits for myself and i tell people while you're hearing this i know you guys have already forgotten about how i came up don't forget the torture i endured Mentally and physically in my own mind going through all this [ __ ] so don't don't ever forget that so people forget that so quickly when they get to that seven eight nine ten chapters so it's yeah the uh we should just mention the audiobook i mean the book is amazing but
the audiobook is next level and part of that is because you guys kind of broke the paradigm here right you made this somewhat risky decision to have adam Read most of the book and we can get into the reasons behind that which i think are well considered uh but then after each chapter you and adam break it down podcast style like informally where you just freestyle on what that chapter was all about and that just brings brings it to life in like this technicolor way which makes it just such a compelling experience well everything i
do i i try to do my very best and now that i'm out here Trying to share this story with people i want to be so real and so [ __ ] authentic to the point where it was embarrassing to me as i was writing some stuff and i was giving it to adam and we were going back and forth i'm like man i'll talk to my fiance do i really want people to [ __ ] know this about me but that's the power and that's the strength that you have to summon to be that
vulnerable because That's how people are going to be able to emotionally connect exactly when they look at what you've done in bad water and all the buds and all that kind of stuff it becomes difficult for people to relate to that but when you have the strength and the fortitude to share those parts of your life that do embarrass you or provoke shame in you that's that's the like that's the real [ __ ] i had to show people i was human you know people didn't think i was human They thought i came from outer
space man from some spacecraft and [ __ ] and landed down here and just formed goggins from the rocks and the soul of the earth no that's not how it is man so i said i'm gonna i'm gonna share a secret with you all well in one of the recaps you tell adam writing this book was the hardest thing you've ever done and as somebody who's done a lot of hard [ __ ] that was a surprising thing to hear well Looking in the mirror at yourself because i did a really good job by creating
this guy him now so i can just go by and just live by this guy here that's who i am do you think of it as like this because you refer to yourself in the third person all the time so it's like this character that you're trying to aspire to be that's distinct from you like you you you create this like division how does that work it's a big division because i when i talk to people Like i see where i'm at today but i know where i come from and it's kind of hard to
almost separate that i'm almost not in a way i'm kissing my own ass but i'm amazed at what a human being can actually do so i start talking to myself in the third person is strictly because i know that i literally made this human being out of uh out of just like a whole bunch of scraps [Music] And i wasn't you know i wasn't a mechanic i wasn't a carpenter so i didn't know how to do any of this [ __ ] you know i wasn't trained in how to build a human being from nothing
you know like my mom didn't train me my dad didn't train me life didn't train me well lifeblood yeah life did train me correction and i started putting this scrap metal together like i wonder what the [ __ ] going to Happen you know the first year i try to do is all [ __ ] up and after a while i start learning more and more and more through pain and suffering i started learning just learning so much about stuff before i knew it man i built this beautiful car and i'm like how the [
__ ] did i do that and i knew how i know how to do it because i have all the tools Through all the failure i went through trying to build this person who's goggins yeah and that was something i came across loud and clear which is it's not like you developed this tool box and then everything worked out no it's like no there's so many ups and downs and highs and lows and you're constantly getting knocked down again a lot of home depot shopping for that Toolbox brother yeah and i think the real gift
that's built into this whole thing is how you reframe vulnerability like we tend to think of vulnerability as a weakness or you know somebody who's soft and and you embody it in a completely different structure to show people that it is it is strength like if you want to be Hard and you want to be strong vulnerability and open-mindedness are the keys to that kingdom and you said it perfectly there the one thing that made me who i am today is being vulnerable is breaking myself down to the absolute rock bottom and being able to
tell people who i am and that's how i fixed it literally you know look somebody eyes you know what Man i have a whole bunch of character problems character flaws i've lied about this i've cheated here i'm insecure here this isn't the real me i lied to you about that i wanted your acceptance in life all those things happen but the thing about is that we get judged so quickly by who we are we don't know we don't go to the to where it happened you know Life created this person me life life created me
to be this [ __ ] up person that i was back in the day and i had to realize man that's okay man it's not my fault now i gotta go back and fix this [ __ ] though so a lot of this isn't your fault why you do some things you do while you feel the way you feel but no one's coming back to save your ass you have to go back to where this [ __ ] Started wherever that place is for everybody and had the courage to go back there and start fixing
what broke you mm-hmm and that's and that's why i was like hey i'm [ __ ] up i'm gonna go back and fix this though you gotta be honest with yourself thousand percent where you're at how's your person people don't like that oh it's ugly yeah and what's funny about is that as you're trying to fix yourself and dig yourself out of this deep hole That life society and you helped you helped also those people who you saw down there in that hole who were there with you who your friends and people who you counted
on because you meet the people in the same situation that you're in in life those people become your friends and second you try to get out of that situation and become better those people are in that in that grave and that doesn't just yanking at your heels man Saying get the [ __ ] back oh come on back here [ __ ] yeah you ain't gonna make me feel like [ __ ] why are you getting out of this hole who the [ __ ] do you think you are so i get that all the
time now people were constantly reminding me of who i used to be back in the day and they always come out of the woodworks man versus still happening you know what when you come from a small small town and you come from a place that a lot of People don't want to come out of it and get out of it and all you want to do is become somebody when you have a small town mentality is a real mentality you've got to be able to get out and let your mind see open-mindedness because a small
town what it does to you is it closes your mind completely closes your mind not everybody this isn't everybody a lot of people you have to be able to go out there and create open-mindedness you Need space you need space to see the world like a lot of racism a lot of a lot of ignorance in the world it comes from people not being out and seeing other things seeing other people seeing all kinds of [ __ ] that's why we judge so harshly because our minds are so close to the reality of of life
period have you been back to brazil i went back to brazil a couple of times And i have nothing wrong with brazil because once again you can't another thing about growth is you can't hold on to hate you can't hold on to hate and see when once you take a different step so i had to take a step out of my life because like you like once you're in that hill that's all you see is what's in front of you when i stepped out of it i saw brazil very differently there were A lot of
great people in brazil some of the best people i knew were from brazil but when you're in hell all you see is a little patch in front of you of the kids that are calling you [ __ ] or the people that spray painted [ __ ] were going to kill you on your car people put that [ __ ] in your locker people put a [ __ ] on your on your notebook in spanish class that's all you see you didn't see that my god a lot of People [ __ ] like me here
so once you take a step back and see the reality of the true ignorance that you're dealing with from a small group of people that's when you get growth because you know i went through a phrase in the book i talked about man i was all about you know i was all about black and only black when i was a junior in high school because i was so beat down i was the most ignorant i've ever been In my [ __ ] life when i went there i totally took everything all the hurt all the
pain just put it in one [ __ ] filter i gotta find people who look just like me and act just like me to find acceptance that when you were doing the crazy haircuts that's just a crazy haircut watching malcolm x video every damn night when i went home and [ __ ] yeah so the last time you were here we kind of recapped your your story chronologically and i don't want to i don't want to spend a lot of time on that but there's a lot of new people listening so i think it's worthwhile
to kind of you know catch people up on exactly who is david goggins and and you know where you were where you were where you came from what you endured and how you arrived at this place is there a way To do that concisely i can do it pretty quick i guess you know i was um born in buffalo my dad was uh on skating rinks and own bars and he was a very insecure guy he was an alcoholic he uh used to get women for favors so my dad i'm not saying he's a pimp
i always say it's a pimp cause that's how i look at it my mom said the proper way to say this is that your dad used to get women And he would exchange women for favors so there you go that's pretty much he was a pimp right he's a [ __ ] pimp so basically um that's that's my dad he was he was a guy that that didn't care much about anything but himself but he was kind of a baller he was a big ball right new oj simpson big time new new all the buffalo
bills him and rick james were best friends wow so we had two different sides it was a sign that everybody saw Which was the side of this man your dad is so damn cool man he's awesome and we lived on paradise road the second that door was shut in that house it was game on the real hymn would come out it was a perfect jekyll and hyde so when you're born into that at a young kid and like you're getting beat for no reason you know like you know i'm not whippings or whippings man but
this guy Would beat you for no reason just because he was drunk just because he saw you whatever he's like kind of like an ike turner character i turned her probably on on steroids right so that that's who he was and he was he was a perfect person for psychological warfare the the beatings were horrible but the mind torture was the worst he got so deep in my head as a young kid and that really [ __ ] up your foundation You know when when you're born man there's some there's some sensitive years in there
man where your brain starts to develop and starts to give you self-esteem courage confidence all those things and my dad was stripping that away from everybody and when you see your mom the worst thing to do is when you see your mom getting beat senseless at a young kid that [ __ ] scars you permanently i mean She was like a prisoner she was a christian guy and what you guys had to do to escape and get away from him is like insane so she was 19 when she went there and she was an innocent
19 year old and she came from a great family and she met this man and totally just um it just it was it was brutal it was it was very it's addicted the way the way she was uh tortured by him and the way my brother and myself were and that and that broke Me and my brother up my my brother loved my father a lot he saw something very different than i saw because whenever my mom and i would get beat my brother i'm not calling him a coward by any means he handled it
very different than i did he would go in his room he didn't want to see the beatings i would protect my mother so in that i saw a lot more of the Violence i was trying to protect her and me trying to protect her i really got beat so when you're constantly in that battle and that struggle and your brother's going to different room because he didn't want any part of this [ __ ] he hated it and he loved family you know he loves family and i became the person like hey man i'm not
about it and you had to shoulder the responsibility this this idea within you That you were responsible for making sure that your mom would be safe and that was hard for an eight-year-old kid because when we moved to that small town in brazil indiana um i had a learning disability i was stuttering i was battling so much [ __ ] that i never even told my mom about because i because she was battling her own demons so at eight years old i'm looking for comfort and i'm like hey don't bother Your mom with [ __
] you were not the man of the house and i started becoming real protective of my mother at a young age so i whatever you're going through man you're on your [ __ ] home you're not gonna you're not gonna tell your mom [ __ ] and she didn't find out later through the school systems and through me failing and through me you know all these issues i went through she found out a lot But you know i kept as much as i could from her man and that really was a hard task for me
to to raise yourself mentally when you're already in the deepest darkest dungeon of all time and i think that's where um i started really creating myself i had to really start creating a a certain pattern a certain process a certain kind of indestructible toolbox to handle my life well you were On this trajectory to nowhere pretty quick um but the the kind of inciting incident that starts to shift your trajectory is is this air force guy that comes into your life right like you develop in this obsession with the military right and then you meet
this dude who survived that parachuting right nuts parachuting gone very wrong and you become obsessed with this guy and that in i mean correct me if i'm wrong but That seems like the first sort of glimmer of hope that you might find your way in a different in a different you know so like i talked about a lot it was it started off with the rocky and rambo movies right you know it was kind of like my father's when i was coming up but then when i finally met this guy named scott garan this guy
that fell of it you know he had a parachute accident a guy crashed through his parachute and He fell 13 000 feet pretty much to his death because his his parachute collapsed and he would be you know he fell 120 miles an hour to the ground i mean a picture in the book it's disgusting right and um so he hit the ground and i met him a couple years later at this uh cap civil air patrol camp and i'm sitting there and no kid was like amazed by him you know i was like Okay this
is a great story i'm a kid let's go i'm sitting he comes out and i was amazed by rambo like at a young guy oh my god this is the real ram he came out he had you know he got his throat cut open to you know to open up his airway so so i saw he got trached and i saw all these different things i was like my god he came out talking all like clint eastwood and shared the story and it's all hardcore and I started following this guy but he knew i was
falling so for a week long he did push-ups and flutter kicks and i was like man that is the real rambo why do you think it connected with you and not with the other kids like what was it inside of you that was you know obviously searching for somebody like that i was looking for strength my entire life i was i didn't have any i was a i was a really weak kid my dad Beat the living [ __ ] out of me and took every i was strong as a young kid but me protecting
my mom for so many years in that house my dad made me very afraid because he beat the [ __ ] out of me every time i went at him so in that i want every man wants courage every man was strength at least this one does so i found it in every way possible and when i see a Strong guy i was like okay maybe he can teach me so he didn't know anything about me so time went on i left school you know and then this guy was in my mind we had zero
money man like we at at one time we lived in a seven dollar a month place government sometimes apartments now we live in like a 200 place when i yeah at this time i searched i went on a 500 phone bill and back then dude and having no money My mom wanted to kill me i was in search of scott guerin yeah no google no no google no nothing randomly calling up bases air force bases man caught up air force bases man hey you know what scott garren what do you mean i'm like who's scott
gary i'm like he's a pear rescue man a what because you know a parasite you know there's not a lot of them so i started getting okay there's a pj base here a pair rescue base here so i start tracking down pararescue bases finally Key west florida he's a scuba instructor down there in key west florida i i'm i i leave a like a message he calls back gets a hold of my mom i'm like i cannot believe this guy called me back my first question to him was hey man can i come stay with
you for a week he's like who the [ __ ] are you man he know who the [ __ ] it was the guy let me come stay with him for a week and that Was you were senior in high school i was a i was a junior in high school it was like it was in my junior year pretty much it's pretty amazing that he that he was open to that he was open to it um i think he said about four words to me in the entire week we we pt together and i
need to hear a word from him he you know he didn't talk a lot he was an instructor i would i would go to school or to uh scuba school with him he would instruct i stay on the Couch for 10 hours sit in the lounge on the [ __ ] couch for 10 hours he come back pick me up we go for a run he'd go home we ate fish every [ __ ] day because we had to go out in the ocean you know like like i would go uh lobster hunting i hate
the [ __ ] water i was scared of death but this guy went in so i'm going in and i left there was just one big thing that's what i want to be I want to be a guy like that yeah this this desire within you to find like a strong positive male uh you know role model right life i was looking hard man yeah um but it wasn't easy getting into getting you know following that path for you no it was uh it was the hardest thing in my life being a pararescue man trying
to be a pay rescue man there was a lot of things I know about and not having a mentor not having you know scott was there he really wasn't you know i met him for a week i saw him maybe a couple times and i started bucking the [ __ ] out of him he was a busy guy had a family so i was back on my own and i did the best i could and trying to be a pararescue and i finally passed the asvab test after you know taking it several times and you
know when you Cheat your whole life in high school and elementary school i had about a fourth grade reading level so i talked about that a lot in the book and i had to learn so much school in six months and that's when i really developed my work ethic people think it's from running and everything no it's not from seals not from running it was from the countless hours teaching myself how to [ __ ] read and Write you know we you know i had a tutor for one hour one hour every single week that's
all we could afford so for six months i saw two to one hour a week all the rest was on me my mom was working three jobs she was never home i set this [ __ ] table like i'm like i i have to get in the military and that became myself well this is the Whole book is really about mindset oh that is the whole game and i and i would agree that people look at you and they want to talk about bad water and all these races that you've done you know eight 100
milers in eight weeks and all this insanity right but really this is all a product of hardening your mind callousing your mind to use your phrase and throughout the book what what really you know makes it stand out is that There are lessons throughout like this is a book in which it would be easy to think that david goggins is the hero but the reader is the hero which is why he made this decision to write that's what we were talking about earlier to have adam read it because you wanted the reader to see themselves
in this own journey and you have these chapters or after every chapter you have these Challenges um and takeaways for for people to you know use to change their own mindset but even woven into the narrative you're breaking away from the story to say look this is what you got to do this is what i did this is how you do it right and the first one of these really is the accountability mirror right which you still use but what i didn't realize was that you developed that when you were like a junior in high
school you started Doing that yeah but it's not like oh i did the accountability mirror and then everything start started working out for me no i went like it was a it was a fix at all no it was just it was a starting point to start holding myself accountable and how that came to be man my mom got a letter from school and this is when i had to reveal myself and all my secrets the secret came out man i wasn't going to school that i had i had flunked most My classes i had
my report card in there for everybody to see one of them and um it was revealed in that yeah it was it was not your pro card thanks a lot rich i appreciate it um so uh yeah you put it in there i put it in there man you have to talk about it right now um it was uh it was a yes and very very embarrassing report card and she was like what is this and this was like she didn't see any Report cards in my life and at this time she was frustrated not
with me well you doctored that other report card right i doctored so much crap but she didn't really see that one huh but i doctored all my report cards and um this one had to reveal myself and she was like you know what man you're going to flunk out and that was that was a conversation i'm like hey we gotta do some [ __ ] you know you gotta fail she had her own demons her own Problems and that's when i went to the into the bathroom and i was like my god dude like this
is a harsh reality your mom is like you're done i'm like you are on your own and the asvab was really the first real challenge where you tried to show up for something 100 right that was my first challenge and and what i love about the book is you know there's the grand huge challenges And accomplishments but what i find most inspiring are just the small little things like these little details like when you're when you've left that test and then you're in the car and then you go back in yeah so it's like things
like that that really touched me that was my that was actually trying to be an abc that was a d i was a different test right yeah so that was uh that was a very um Emotional moment for me and i i'm actually there right now in my head talking to you i remember that moment like it was yesterday my i was a fat guy trying to be a navy seal now and my life had come to this crossroads i'm like man you have to go right and no one was going right everybody was going
left i'm like you have to go right and to know the pain and suffering i was About to endure by going right the amount of accountability and failure i get to witness and suffer by myself alone on this journey it was daunting so when i finally got to the asvab test and i was taken from my very last time to get into the seal teams or to try to even try out they weren't supposed to tell me my score and i went back out to my car after i took it i was on some computer
test and I know how to use computer i was wigging out about that [ __ ] cause the first time i took it was like something like notebook you know you open a scantron sheet and you bubble it in with the number two pencil and [ __ ] you turn it in i saw a computer and i was like oh [ __ ] what the [ __ ] oh my god like it's on the computer so i rigged out there and i had to get a 50 on mechanical comprehension And this is like the third
time you've taken the test right this is my second time so i took it three times for the air force and twice for the nature so this is my second time for the navy and they're like hey this is it man you know you're you're done you're too old you have a limited amount of time to lose 106 pounds and you have to take his asvab again there's so many things that's crushing down my head and so when i took the test I knew i had a good enough score to get in the navy but
to be a seal i had to score high on mechanical comprehension of 50. so the first time i got a 44 on mechanical comprehension so i'm sitting there and i take the test and i hit send sentiment is out in outer space somewhere and but i knew it popped up at the administrator's desk and he's not supposed to tell me [ __ ] He tells you sit down take your test and you leave i walked out got my car or i was walking around the car whatever i was like i gotta go in and find
out man so i went in i literally sat there everybody's taking their test and i'm begging this guy he's telling me i can't tell you [ __ ] it's against government it gets rules everything he opened it up he goes okay man he said you got a 65. I said no man i didn't know i got a mechanical comprehension and he scrolled the page down it was exactly a 50. and i literally like what came through my body because it's easy to talk about now to you but no one knew the time and energy i
put into getting that 50. right it was pretty amazing yeah i mean what is that what did that represent for you like the The opportunity for a new life to finally it represented opportunity for a new life but the thing about it is i'm trying to be a navy seal at this time i was still 200 and some of my pounds they had more weight to lose so think about this i put everything on david goggins to be a navy seal it's like going to the crap today with with your last thousand dollars and you
say you know what i'm gonna put Everything on this [ __ ] on black and hopefully i'll win if not i'm broke i put my whole life a guy that was scared of the [ __ ] water a guy that could [ __ ] talk myself how to read and write on being one of the hardest [ __ ] on the planet think about that [ __ ] a guy that came from nothing i put my whole life and i want to go out here and put everything on david [ __ ] goggles to be
a navy seal Not to go be a [ __ ] you know boy scout or some [ __ ] a navy seal and i and i i look at that and i did all this [ __ ] just to get the opportunity to succeed that's what that's what people don't [ __ ] understand man if people see that the end result i remember that guy saying my god man i can't believe what the [ __ ] i've just done i put everything ruin relationships ruin this ruin that Put everything on fact i have to become
someone in this world or i'm no good for anybody where and where does that come from that where did that compulsion that drive it comes from a disgusting place of not being fulfilled in your life of afraid of dying having never accomplished anything that's a fear that some people run away from that people don't want to face when you have a real fear of dying And being just another person that i live to pay the bills i make a thousand dollars a month this is my life i spray for cockroaches man if if that makes
you feel good that's great it didn't make me feel good i wanted to the first time in my life after 26 years as 24 25 wherever i was i wanted to feel good about myself and that was that was the ticket yeah i mean you have This huge reservoir uh this capacity to leverage pain and circumstance to drive change within yourself right to be able to not be a victim but to look at pain as your friend as a catalyst for growth and i think there's a lot of people out there look if you're in
enough pain that's going to move the needle for you there's a lot of people out there that Are in just enough pain where they're willing to just settle for what they have because they're not in enough pain to change and the fear of change outweighs the pain of their daily existence you know the one gift i have with all that being said what you just said there is i have the ability to see the end before the beginning even begins and what that means is i know that to get to the very end i can
see it right Now so before i went to butts and i was losing all this [ __ ] weight and [ __ ] i saw myself walking across the [ __ ] stage at 191 [ __ ] pounds that's what i had to get to to get into the door i saw myself six months a year later whatever's gonna take me to do i saw myself walking across that stage getting that [ __ ] certificate of graduation from buds and i was able to be there At 300 [ __ ] pounds and that feeling that
i was nowhere near that [ __ ] feeling i was able to put myself there a million times every [ __ ] day and that feeling of like my god that is gonna feel [ __ ] amazing that's what made me suffer that's what allowed the pain to be real and say this is worth it i want to feel for this [ __ ] next 18 months it took me 18 [ __ ] months to finally become a Navy student to finally you know just get through butts 18 months it's six months took me 18.
that's what woke me up every [ __ ] morning was i'm gonna put myself through this much [ __ ] pain and suffering for a few seconds that's all it is a few seconds of joy is so [ __ ] worth it man i said people don't get so i'm able to put myself at the finish line even though i have no Finish line but at the finish line of an event before i even start the [ __ ] and say how are you going to fill it into this well visualization is one of the
challenges and part of that is not just visualizing success or living in the reality of achieving what you're setting out to achieve but also visualizing how you're going to navigate all the obstacles that Are going to get thrown in your path right visualizing this is my biggest tool of life that's why i i've been able to put myself in cold water put myself in a hundred mile race millions of times before i've done it and i'm able to go through the race and see i'm going to feel at my 50. almost to the almost to
the exact exact feeling right so when it comes up it's no surprise no surprise i've Already done this a million times and that's the one thing i practice in practice and practice and practice overnight but also the most important thing is i i practice that feeling of accomplishment i'm going to have this all said and done with the crazy thing about the asvab story is that in addition to having to pass this test and get that 50 you also had to lose 100 pounds in like what like 30 days or something crazy It was less
than three months right okay three months but you compartmentalize these two tasks and say look the first thing i got to do is i got to pass this test right because the weight doesn't matter if i don't get that 50. and you shelved or put off losing the weight to focus on the academic end of it until you you know completed that hurdle and then you looked at the weight stuff i'm like that now that's just got it done yeah it's like being focused on one Thing at a time i have to be very present
in everything i do like right now i'm a rich role i'm not thinking about [ __ ] but rich roll and with the [ __ ] coming out of your mouth right now that's what that's what gives me a huge advantage in life especially today in this day and age with so much [ __ ] going so fast and everybody wants to keep everything going everything up and everything i want to be the greatest you Know the greatest multitasker of all time not me if i put my hundred percent into what's in front of me
i will destroy it if i'm out here just multitasking this [ __ ] i'm gonna half-ass everything i do so that's it is the most important thing the word of me is being focused at the task at hand and it's getting harder and harder to do that because there are so many distractions and it's so easily to it's so easy to distract yourself yes You do you don't ever have to be bored again with these things in our pockets no but the one thing i'm most scared of in the world is is uh losing losing
touch with the the best thing in the world is is your mind your mindset how you can picture yourself how you can focus how you can drive how you can put yourself in so many situations get out of it because those headphones you listen to those those phones that that we google to find Information there's so many situations in my life where that shit's not gonna help me it's not gonna help me and you're able to just turn that off so fast because i know what's helped me none of that stuff has ever helped me
mm-hmm none of that stuff's really helped me what has helped me has been me alone getting my [ __ ] together and being accountable for who i'm not And who i want to be it's only that's helped me so you get in you you get the opportunity to become a navy seal and then you end up going through buds three times it's like yeah merry christmas unbelievable and the stories of what that entails are like so vivid man it's unbelievable well i was uh i was very fortunate to go through three times And not in
a sadistic way in a life-changing growing way i found out so much about myself through going through that training three times and i went through the hardest part of the training three times you know after the first so so first phase is the crucible man and that's where i was at for three times i spent most of my time in buds and first phase and the hell week in the hell weeks And being in that grind and in that grind i got time to examine myself i caught the live autopsy and also examine other people
because i was really good about putting people way above me because i was i wasn't [ __ ] i was never nobody so for me to be on the same stage as these great wannabe navy seals and bus trains like my god you guys are amazing i actually got here with you all thank you so much for allowing me into play But as i was there for so long i got a really good chance to sit back because now the cold water is just water now it's not our cold anymore your mind starts to change
they say get in the water most people think about it for you it became my life so i started learning that if you start to change your mindset versus it being like oh my god this sucks i became a professional bud student so i wasn't going to leave until i Graduated so i started realizing if this is my home this is what i am i had to always reset the bar i had to reset my new norm there always had to be a new norm so one thing we don't do is we don't have a
new norm my new norm is you get up every [ __ ] morning at 4 o'clock and you suffer this is your new norm that became my new [ __ ] life most people want to get out of it i said No [ __ ] this is your new life this is who you are you your new norm is you wake up and you suffer and i started realizing if that's my mentality this [ __ ] ain't hard anymore you're [ __ ] new normal you wake up you get in the [ __ ] cold
water you're gonna be here till the shit's [ __ ] done whenever they say you're out you get out so my new norm so i i do that Now today my new norm now is if i'm doing a 20-mile run your new norm now man you [ __ ] are doing 200 [ __ ] miles the roger that mentality that's it man so at what point during this buds experience do the instructors start to take notice of you in a in a way that separates you from the pack is it sbg are these guys that
are like They're starting to go hey man this this this dude's cut a little bit differently spg noticed it he noticed it in my second hell week because i really and this is no lie i'm very open about my life so i'm open about this i really started to enjoy the fact of seeing what the human mind was capable of and seeing that what is so horrendous there's so much joy and glory in this [ __ ] and when you see other alpha males like you know spg in the book um he's he was one
of the hardest i mean one of the hardest guys in the seal teams he's looking at you like the [ __ ] is wrong with you right you know like you know like well they start testing you like they're like let's play this out right and there's that story where he makes you swim out yeah wednesday night and that [ __ ] me up because i like my Knee was you know it was broken it was it was [ __ ] up bad and it's wednesday of hell week and all the boat crews are past
the surf zone and i just got a tour doll shot in my knee cause i'm not gonna i'm let's go man we're going and um it's [ __ ] like it's real late at night and it was [ __ ] raining and the the class is past the surf zone and i'm still not a big fan of the [ __ ] water The ocean is very unforgiving and i had this big life jacket on and spg's like hey follow me man should we run a mile down to the boat crews rap out past the surf
zone i'm thinking hey we're gonna wait for them to come on in he goes hey man get a kim like you broke a kim light put on my hat and said go out and [ __ ] get him and i was on my own there was no like There was no like swim buddies like so i can buzz you for a swim buddy yeah and when he said that to me i said are you in my mind see this [ __ ] is joking he's got to be joking man he must have been thinking like
i'm gonna break this guy like this is going to be the moment i think that's what it was but but now we're we're you know we're we're pretty tight now and he said no that wouldn't at all he said you're one of the only people in My tenure at as a as a buds instructor that i've ever done that with he said i knew a person like you would have found there's a challenge and i had to dig deep because i didn't look at him and say hey man i'm not doing that [ __ ]
even though i think i couldn't because there was no swim buddy yeah you know you don't go out there wednesday night after like 80 hours of hell week and you're like seeing stars and [ __ ] that Like i'm like i'm during the daytime you see him boasting around out there i'm you're hallucinating you're all over the place he sent me out there i was like okay this is my time to show one of the best [ __ ] in the world that it's on so i got my [ __ ] man i went out
there and did it and it was uh it was uh i i detail it well in the book but it Was a it was a moment that i started realizing i'm starting to separate myself now yeah so there's two kind of themes that emerge from that one is this idea of taking souls right this this this sense that hey i came from nothing and i'm here amongst the best and then starting to realize like hey these people are human right how can i get my tactical advantage right and you explore this idea of taking souls
Which which essentially is going places no one else is willing to go to [ __ ] with their heads that's it right to get to get like the upper hand on on everybody else when you grow up weak and you start to master your mind because my whole thing is whenever um whenever i'm weak at something wherever i'm scared of something i master it i was a weak my you know a weak minded person so i mastered my mind in the Master in my mind i mastered the human mind and i realized why i no
longer judge people why i'm not going to put people on a pedestal because we're all [ __ ] up our own way we all have demons some people hide them better than other people so i know we all have them by me knowing that i know that most alpha males are very fragile very fragile they never want to see another person harder than them Especially in that kind of ego attachment eagle oh very strong eagle will [ __ ] you up every time ego is serious so if i can hurt your ego i got you
so by me having such a fragile ego growing up all this was my advantage i was doing a live autopsy on how [ __ ] up i was i was like hey this [ __ ] me up i better [ __ ] other people up too So i started using all these different tools and tactics to get instructors heads and taking souls that's what happened man we were wednesday freezing [ __ ] cold everybody's jackhammering everybody's everybody wants to you know everybody's just want to get through it now jackhammering's when you just can't stop shooting
you can't stop shivering you know you're sitting there this uncontrollably Jackhammer and the instructors take great pride in watching you suffer they do we you know in a in a sick way it's it's kind of funny you know you know you were there once as a as a student now you're an instructor but i knew how would i be thinking if i was an instructor i would love seeing this sadistic [ __ ] go on but what would i what wouldn't i like to see i would hate to see some guys just looking like this
is just Another [ __ ] day on the [ __ ] beach and go [ __ ] yourself i would hate to see that so they all want to think like when they did it they were harder they were harder yeah everybody's hearts i said you know what man it's time you all i can't fight you you guys can [ __ ] me up all day long that's your job and i love your job i love what you guys are doing you guys making us better But now i want to take the tactical advantage and
i'm going to start [ __ ] with you so i got my boat crew bill brown i had chris kyle my boat crew right american sniper i had a couple of hardcore [ __ ] and everybody right now is kind of like in their own world let's just get through this man i can't wait till friday so we can graduate how we can get going i said let's go ahead and have some fun I said we're gonna we're gonna start [ __ ] with these guys so the evolution here was we just got through with
med check you know we're stripped down to nothing and they're checking us out making sure we're good you know checking for pneumonia checking for [ __ ] up knees my knees all jacked up they're giving me shots and [ __ ] and i was like the boat crew leader of boat crew 2. so i'm in the front of the boat and i Tell our guys this we're going to do the boat was like on our heads so it was we're supposed to lift the bolts up above our head that's all you gotta do but when
you're this weak in this fragile you're this tired the bolt's heavy so there's a thing you can do when you do bolt presses you can get the boat like just toss it up toss it up and catch it and that shows like you're jacked up so everybody's holding the boat and They're shaking and they're both starting to come down their head and all the boat crews are all lined up and they're [ __ ] up and i'm looking at that and i turn around my brokers hey guys it's time to [ __ ] take some
souls they're like what the [ __ ] you talking about i said we're gonna get i go see all these [ __ ] instructors out here all in their [ __ ] jackets and drinking coffee and laughing and smiling [ __ ] i want their [ __ ] faces to go straight up [ __ ] numb so we're gonna do this we're gonna start boat pressing this [ __ ] just take my lead trust me you get energy from it we started throwing this boat up in the [ __ ] air catching it throwing up
and catching and we start yelling i can't hurt [ __ ] bull crew too we're yelling our [ __ ] ass off and we doing it and they make a stop like like what the [ __ ] Like to stop i look at these instructors and their faces literally look like someone like just like took their soul out because i know where their minds were like they were thinking about themselves like what the [ __ ] just happened man i know me on wednesday i couldn't have done that how they doing it so the rest
of time going through hell week It was like we just we owned it right bro crew 2 we we won every single race we were just dominating and um it was uh it was a strong boat crew and that's where taking souls is uh there's a few taking soul stories but that's one of them yeah and and part of that is learning how to be a leader like when you're dealing with these alpha males and these huge egos there's this Tendency to just try to outshine the next guy right you tell an example there's another
guy who kind of proceeds along that path right and he realizes very quickly that he's not going to make it because he doesn't know how to build camaraderie with the other guys right right um talk about mr dobbs um he's a good friend of mine still this Day and he went into that place man and i knew where he was going is in my third hell week and i knew sean real well but i knew he was real arrogant he had a serious chip on his shoulder like i do i still do i gotta control
it every now and then it got me in a lot of trouble sometimes but i knew he had it i knew that chip on your shoulder not being controlled It will it will get you [ __ ] up and it cost him a lot going through buds and i saw the look i saw the look because i once had the look when i was going through pear rescue school when something got so hard and your mind can't process the hardness you don't know the the the right tools to get through something hard because you've never
been challenged before i could tell he was a superhuman that nothing never challenged them but i Knew because i already been through hobick a couple times i knew [ __ ] don't don't underestimate that [ __ ] it will it will find a [ __ ] demon and it will bring out some insecurities in you and it did and i it was like uh maybe 30 hours in the helmet or something like that i'm looking over at him and i smile at him we're we're standing just like this in line and he's getting his med
check a doctor's looking at him A doc it happens just to be beautiful timing and i'm sitting there i'm getting med checked and i'm looking at him and his eyes says he's a thousand yards still looking right through me and he's getting met checked and i'm looking at him and before all this happened i told him i said don't underestimate this [ __ ] man he was i can't ever see myself quitting [ __ ] goggins i go watch out I go watch out this [ __ ] will get in your head i go the
end is a long way away so we're sitting there eye to eye and he didn't see me i'm right in front of him and i can tell you he's thinking he has that quit in mind starting up and look at him i go i told you [ __ ] i told you [ __ ] the next thing i knew man a car pulls up And um he he rolled out rings the bell he rings the bell and he quits but um it was uh he's a great human being um hard [ __ ] it it
doesn't make you you know when you quit something like that man it's a huge lesson learned that i can't go into anything thinking that there's nothing that's not going to get in my way you got to be prepared for all those obstacles right well on this theme of of the reader being the hero Here like what is the what is the takeaway on the stealing souls thing because that's that's one of the challenges well there's tons of takeaways with that one man it's about finding energy and strength when you have none like a lot of
times in life like that situation right there man it's the worst time of your life there's energy all around us but we think that we have to have it has to Come externally a lot of times we gotta have like a tv in front of us watch somebody listen to a podcast listen to a great music a lot of times in life it's [ __ ] quiet and those are the times when you want to run and hide you got to be able to find energy you got to make up games make up tricks make
up whatever you can to get to the next evolution of life so taking souls is just another way it's Not about hurting the person you're against it's about finding the tactical advantage in every situation you [ __ ] physically can to get to the next you're trying to inch further to the goal line and you don't want to what is that line the goal line is whatever it is for you for me i want to get through hell week that one get to hell with with like you Know with my head up high being strong
i don't know what the goal line is for everybody my goal has been very different for most people but you're trying to find energy and strength to stay in the fight to continue on until you get that second wind the second wind is coming whenever the second wind may be for you it's coming but what happens is we get so stressed out That the end is so far away that we just can't find another foothold or another hand hold so we jump off the cliff and we just fall there's another one you got to find
it so taking so is the one way to do it well as you as you progress through this this journey that you're on and you're winning these victories along the way this idea kind of comes Comes upon you which is this drive to be uncommon amongst the uncommon right you you mentioned a few moments earlier that you started distancing yourself even from the seals themselves like okay i've done this i've distinguished myself amongst these guys like now what's the next challenge how can i push myself harder like who who you know what are the other
circumstances i can put myself in To be the hardest [ __ ] on planet earth which is kind of the driving impulse right underneath all of this right right so elaborate on that a little bit so for me that's why i want to become a navy seal i wanted people to push me outside of my comfort zone every day you know and i thought this was going to be the absolute best platform to do that these guys the stories i heard after buds it just gets harder And i didn't see it that way because buzz
is just to become the seal that's right i'm like my god i can't imagine what the [ __ ] gonna happen but what happens to a lot of people not everybody can't speak for everyone not everybody buds breaks people down to the point where you don't want to be broken down again like that to me that was exactly the exact starting point for my journey In life that was a starting point for me for a lot of people it's the finish line and i didn't see it that way for me so that's where i started
becoming uncommon amongst uncommon people is where i started realizing that you put people on a pedestal that you shouldn't that you you gotta get in there yourself and examine people see what's really about yourself so once i got in there and realized hey these are just normal People yeah they're a lot better than some they're able to get through i know a lot of people can get through navy seal training but you know there's a lot of mystique behind behind all that stuff and i just tried to go through and start to break it open
a little bit you know a lot of hard guys but you know i i want it more i want it more and this this is your strength in certain respects it's a Super power that you have but it's also your achilles heel big time big time i talk about in the book a lot too uh one thing that hurt me a lot was i thought everybody wanted the same thing i wanted then everybody wants the same thing you [ __ ] want everybody wants to give at four o'clock in the morning and beat themselves and
find more about themselves and [ __ ] like that and i Thought the seals did don't most people don't yeah and i thought the seal was just that's what you know because every book you read that's what that's what everybody does so i i was hooked line and sinker so that mentality that i had it kind of put a bad taste in my mouth you know once i realized that not everybody was like this in the community and i was like you know what man so then i started Having chips on my shoulder i had
my own little thing i was doing with a couple guys working out on my own do my own little thing and when you start doing that stuff and you start to drive yourself away from people you know and i was already different as it was you know even if i didn't do that i already came in being very different like i tell people i was a part of the Navy seal teams i wanted part of the brotherhood right and you're not going out and partying i'm not going out no that's not i mean that's never
been me though like if i was in a college if i wasn't a big for i couldn't be part of a fraternity man i would never join a fraternity ever i'm like hey [ __ ] you all man i got my own [ __ ] going on over here man go [ __ ] yourself that's me i don't like fraternities So just me when you join the seal teams you're joining a big fraternity so i was already asked out so then when you asked out not wanting to hang out i wasn't a dick i do
my own [ __ ] that's me so i i i grew up wanting friends at a young age and once you get self-esteem you know who you are i was comfortable you're not liking me but not hanging out and then you take it to another step Further with this being hard mentality if you guys aren't doing what i'm doing you guys aren't [ __ ] so i did a lot of things that push people the wrong way they're rubbing the wrong way and in that being in the fraternity it's like a big soap opera it's
like the [ __ ] guiding light And you know people start not liking you for certain reasons people don't know who the [ __ ] you are rumor mills start happening then i have two heart surgeries people think i don't want to [ __ ] deploy overseas or goggles don't want to fight he just wants to run but i'm not going to say i had two heart surgeries i couldn't even go fight so there's a lot of things happened and with within that Um it's life yeah but ultimately that hurt your military career it didn't
hurt it didn't no me me looking back on it it i was who i wanted to be i was who i wanted to be so hurting it i don't think hurting it is being an air force guy being in the hands of a dc or being a ranger you know my goals were finding the baddest meal on the planet working with the baddest guys on the Planet and the heart surgeries hurt me a little bit um but what i realized is i got a lot of growth from examining people you know my my insecurities their
insecurities my military career was absolutely stellar you know not many people have pulled off honor man everywhere i went And done the things i've done i didn't deploy as much as i wanted to yeah i went to iraq stuff like that but i wanted to play a lot more with with the heart services keeping out of training for four years that hurt me a lot but all in all there's not many people who've done some of the things i've done right so not satisfied with just being in the navy seals you decide you want to
go to army Ranger school yes sir and you go and do that yep and you distinguish yourself there so you know when the dust settles you've done air force what is it called the attack attack it's called the air control party uh navy seals buds and then and then army rangers election twice right exactly so what how did that play out ultimately so i double Selection i went the first time um when i was a so i went both time as a navy seal which is very frowned upon because we have our own little group
there yeah you know dev grew um so how that even came to be was after my second platoon where me and my guys didn't get along you know we had a great deployment but we didn't get along bottom line Once again it's how life is when you come back in a fraternity like that rumor mill flat you know goes around and maybe goggins has a bad attitude don't work with him whatever whatever so i didn't get my orders to go to dev group i actually screened for dev grew didn't get picked up or or i
got picked up to go to the screening process i passed the screening process was going to green team a lot of these [ __ ] things nobody knows about But anyway i didn't get my orders to go to dev group so i said you know what it's a good time for me to go try out for deputy for um delta force so i went there got messed up you know i fell down a mountain my lady trapped in the mountain or in some rocks broke my ankle messed my ankle real bad then i had the
heart surgeries then i went back to delta And i was getting ready to get to the very last day and what happened there was i was getting real happy i'm gonna be a delta guy this is the [ __ ] i can't believe and i'm back in the game and once you let your mind get unfocused you get lost out in the woods and out there going through delta selection it's a lot of land navigation and if You're not paying attention to that map and compass and it was my last day before the 40 miler
and the 40 mile was like a big the big last thing you do and i was going to [ __ ] that 40 miler up right but uh what's your game that's my game man and um one thing you're going to be able to flip that up man you know you put it you know you put weight in my back and go man i don't hurt you And um i got literally i was about two hours ahead of time and i was just going through thinking man i'm [ __ ] done i made this [
__ ] man i'm going to go back into doing my [ __ ] i'm going back out the fight man with you know with an elite group a tier one asset i was so stoked my mind got drifted away and i got lost and i Found myself lost i got i reoriented you know i got [ __ ] back on track and i went to i thought my last point was i saw another student i said hey man we only got five points he goes no more we got six and i was like 45 minutes
from drop dead and um i made it by one minute and make it by one minute after making it by two hours every day I was getting there two hours early every day i don't know what the standard is at delta they don't tell you [ __ ] and there's two vehicles you get into man one vehicle goes to another campground meaning you're still here and the other vehicle goes uh goes to uh some speed bumps back to your racks and you get a [ __ ] airplane i went that vehicle yeah that was it
um how many Soldiers are there though that have gone through all of those programs i can say honestly i'm the only one you're the only one for a hundred percent fact i know for a fact for a fact and i haven't googled it and looked at it i know there's nobody in the world who's willing to say let me screen for delta force twice let me go to army ranger school as a navy seal let me go to navy seal let me Go be in three hell weeks let me go to air force so my
military career was phenomenal there's uh there's a classic quote in the book i think it's as i recall i think it's when you decided you wanted to go to army ranger school and one of your guys says he goes man goggins you're the kind of guy who would Like to be a pow just to see if you could [ __ ] do it he was my oic and i i actually still talked to him today on my first platoon i really respect the guy awful lot i wish i could pop his name by on his
permission right now um to he was a great leader because he understood me as a as a good leader you have to understand everybody that works with you He understood the the uniqueness that is me and i'm a very different person you got to have a you got to be a real [ __ ] man to understand david goggins and i give him a lot of credit for this let me be me and um i i screened and you know he went to uh that into a dev grew but he said that before ranger school
because i put a chit in a ch is a special request [ __ ] I put seven special request checks in to go to ranger school as a new guy in in the seal teams it's like why the [ __ ] are you trying to go to ranger school man as a seal and back then they were sending some navy seals there for punishment you know they sent a few there and i was going because i was like begging to go i'm like there's another challenge out there that sucks that people don't want to go
To that i can grow from that i can see some more uncommon [ __ ] out there that want to get hard and get after it and i always found out one thing when you're in training that's where you find how people really are i found the best out of people in training that's why i love buzz that's why i love ranger school because but once you get out of training very few People keep that same mentality it's like hey thank god i'm done with it that's why i always love going back to scratch yeah
and the cool thing about ranger school is you show up and they strip you of all of everything so you don't know who anybody is or what the rank is or any of that kind of [ __ ] no there's no right there's [ __ ] and they just presumed that you must have gotten in trouble right that's the only Reason you'd be there right so tell me tell that story about so there were so before i showed up to ranger school man there were um a couple of navy seals got sent there for punishment
reasons and a couple of them quit you know like not because it was too hard i imagine probably because you know [ __ ] you i'm not gonna be here for punishment i'm gonna get my ass kicked again i went through navy seal training so it just came with the attitude of Being there so a couple times i'm out so that gave some of the seals a bad reputation at ranger school and then i show up i show up and i'm like yeah i want to be here and they thought i was just another guy
that got in trouble not knowing that i beg to come here and i beg to get beat on for 69 days and starve and lose 56 pounds like i lost so it's like day three And they have you know an army guy we're all stripped the rank i'm just david you know i'm just goggins and whoever that's it's just your name i mean you could be a [ __ ] major you could be a general and you're just thomas it's all the [ __ ] you are man they don't care so i'm hiding out but
i got my little navy name tag on so they can tell i'm a navy guy my little navy hat you know so you know i'm a navy guy i stand out And once there's not many black guys in ranger school so i'm in the back hiding out and they tell the you know they tell the guy hey come up here you're the first sergeant in the first sergeant using the range of creed so the guy goes up there and he goes uh he [ __ ] it up and they go hey they look right at
me i know for a fact oh semen back there really call me Didn't know this [ __ ] i was like [ __ ] i've been studying this range of creed for a year that's what i'm saying in my head i get up there man recognizing i volunteer as a ranger flynn has my chosen profession always never hope with steve's honor hospital rangers you're done i went on and now's the fact they're raising more of these he's like what the [ __ ] so i went ahead and said the whole [ __ ] range of
creed next thing i knew he goes hey you're the new first sergeant i was like [ __ ] now not only am i going through one of the best leadership schools you have to be dialed in all day long when i'm not out in the field getting graded i'm now in garrison having to be in charge of all these [ __ ] guys in bravo platoon so bravo company so i was like guys so It was uh i was always had to be on the whole time roger's roger that sounds like [ __ ] it
man i guess i'm in charge now the whole time but i never got fired you know most guys going through that you know you get fired that's what led me to you know getting the the honor man award right um one of the things you don't talk a lot about is your deployments you talk about that experience in malaysia a little bit only briefly in The book so i'm just wondering what the rationale behind like are you not allowed to did you just think that it wasn't relevant to the story you were trying to tell
well the thing about it is is um i deployed i fought in combat stuff like that first of all it's hard to relate to that second of all how to get all kind of [ __ ] approvals from people to get that in the book and talk about it and i Want to go through that process of hey can i put you know what i did in iraq and the book and stuff like that in the book and i want my book to relate to people you know there's enough navy seal books out there talking
about you know running gun and shooting them up stuff like that that's never been i don't want to be known as a navy seal even though i talk a lot you know people want to ask me about it you know navy said that that Was a snippet of my life you know i was a snippet of my life and i want to be known as somebody much more than that who did a lot more than that so my book is about helping people and i can't help people through what i did in combat i can
help people by what i went through in life life itself and i went out to i mean it was it was intentional to make this book about How can these stories resonate and help people and you know it wasn't like hey let me kiss my own ass so that's why i had to go there and do that so it was it was uh that's why yeah well there's a you know the cover image of the book is you and military uniform um and there are a lot of those other kind of books out there you
know chris kyle and i know you you you're tight with the latrell brothers Those have been huge books and they become movies and cultural you know very culturally relevant another thing what is that i'm not a war hero yeah i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not a war hero man like you know there's a lot of heroes out there and i didn't i don't have a great story to tell you about war what is the climate though when you're in the seals and then somebody writes a book like my sense was always that that
was kind of frowned Upon it is frowned upon and still a lot of things are found upon the seal teams a lot of things are you know um that's that's one of them um i don't care what you do you know it's your life and i'm not about judging people for that but a lot of uh a lot of seals don't like anybody going out doing anything like that And i don't know if it's a lot of jealousy or whatever um i i don't care but it is it is frowned upon for some people do
that um but i guarantee you some of those guys if they did some cool [ __ ] you know a lot of us don't do cool [ __ ] yeah a lot of us see comments not a lot of cool [ __ ] so that really isn't about it's not it's not some vainglorious Thing where you're in battle and you're telling crazy war stories no it's not that at all it it don't have any war stories to tell so reader is the hero and and another one of the themes that i want to kind of
explore with you is this idea of of being the only right which is like a recurring thing in your story right so being the only and i actually talked about with adam um I came up with with the only there's a lot of onlys out there i was the only black-and-white situations and the only in the body of color there's a lot of you know there's gays there's lesbians there's people who are white people who just feel like they're not wanted in society that's the only the only is feeling like you're not accepted in any
society that you're in it doesn't matter what color creed race gender doesn't matter It's just that you are in this situation where you feel like you're being judged you might be being judged you feel awkward it's an awkward feeling when you walk in a room and you're like oh my god like i'm the only and that comes with a lot of people and that's where the only really came from because i didn't want to make like a black situation i want it to be i want this this is about people you are your own hero
you Are the hero of this book so i want it to be what's the word that can make people feel like this resonates with me that's only you know it's not about it was about black or about white or about about being jewish or christian or whatever so that's where it comes from man it's about ownership of a lot of people feel like no one understands what the [ __ ] i'm going through right now and that's the only right and that seems To be something that you you use you leverage to to get stronger
oh yes the only is a very powerful thing for me and there's a lot of times my life that i chose the only on purpose on purpose just to see how i would come out the other end of it and in the midst of all of that um How do i say this um for somebody that's listening to this or they're reading your book and they do feel apart from they feel alone perhaps they have that victim mentality right they're just the world's against me i can't catch a break every time i try to do
this this happens it's some narrative that they're spinning about their life right like what's the first Step out of that well like i've said a million times before the most important conversation is the one you have with yourself you wake up with it you walk around with it you go to bed with it eventually you act on it sometimes you act on it good sometimes bad you got to change the internal dialogue that person in your head that's talking that [ __ ] to you until you change the internal dialogue in your head Until you
callous over the victim's mentality that the world is out to get you because of you are the only you got to change that [ __ ] man yeah but you don't understand my life david yeah i do that's the thing about it and that's what i can talk about but yeah i i get what you're saying a lot of folks don't under i get that mentality i once had that mentality that no one understands What the [ __ ] i'm going through and if you keep that mentality you're gonna stay in the same exact spot
that you're in that no one understands me there's a whole there's millions of people why you think a book that i self-published you know is doing so well with a story that's so [ __ ] up people like i never give up i went to a publishing house like who's gonna resonate with this story No one's gonna buy this book i'm like are you not in the world are you not in society you're never alone everybody's going through [ __ ] so when people get this mentality of like you understand me you can throw a
[ __ ] rock to someone that can understand you if they're willing to break themselves down and stop hiding A lot of people understand you but you got to stop hiding and that's why i tell people a lot of people are going through [ __ ] they just hide better than you did that's all they did it was hiding better yeah it's easy you know it's easy even even after you've accomplished something to not rest on your laurels or take a breath like you're somebody who's constantly constantly moving forward but i think one thing that
gets lost in Your story is that you are pretty good about celebrating the victories along the way and celebrating yourself i talk about with my fiance every single day i talked about with her two hours today i said we are [ __ ] grinding so hard that we are losing the vantage point of what we have accomplished today we got podcast podcast interview flying do this do that i'm like stop stop it's just me and you in this mom-and-pop Thing that we that we're doing look at where the [ __ ] this book is at
right now it's crazy look how many people were touching shut shut up and just [ __ ] think for a second let's let's stop because all we did was talk about this and this we actually no enjoy this for a second let's we we have to take time and realize what the [ __ ] we've accomplished today that's an Evolution for you man huge huge but that's a very different david goggins than even from a couple of years ago huge because you have to what is it all about i'm gonna keep on grinding that's not
what i'm saying what i'm saying though is you have to respect what you've done take a second not live in it not sit around and say i'm good sit back And say let me look at the vantage point now that i'm at we when the that's why you reset the vantage point get the tactical advantage if you get the tactical advantage too quick and start fighting you got gotta take a second to take observation of where where i'm at what have i done am i in the right spot i'm obviously in the right spot right
now now we can go back to fighting So that's what we're doing right now and how did you how did you arrive at that epiphany because i would imagine there's a different version of you that wouldn't allow yourself to be that indulgent it's called you find peace i never found peace until i got real sick and you find peace by clarity and there's no clarity when there's noise there's always a schedule in front of you to keep grinding at it so my Schedule's always there i'm still alive and while i'm still alive i'm going to
grind until i'm dead but in that grinding schedule you have to have a point in there where it's okay at 12 o'clock reset the tactical advantage and look and see where you're at at this new vantage point stop for a second and survey the field Because what i was doing was i had this big long schedule and in this schedule there was no take a second see what the [ __ ] you've accomplished because if i did all that [ __ ] in the military after i got honor man at ranger school and i was
a top leader amongst 300 people when i got back to that second platoon if i'd taken the vantage point and said Okay my god man you've really grown as a leader i would have attacked the situation that second platoon was differently when i was like oh you guys are [ __ ] you guys want to work out this [ __ ] hard you ain't you ain't hard like this i would have learned i would take a step back and say okay hang on a second man you learned a lot that's the tactical advantage you got
to take the advance point and take a second To breathe and say you learned a lot but when you learn a lot if you go back into the fight you never apply what you learn you just get that certificate of graduation go get it remember what you learned and use it and that's about taking that one second out getting on top of that mountaintop looking down it's okay how would i handle this years ago wow i would have really [ __ ] that up This time let's not [ __ ] it up again right so
that that occurred not during the heart surgeries but afterwards when your body was broken and you got into the stretching broken yeah it was a big it's like when you go and somebody gives you a knot and they tie a lot versus time to not they tie a lot and they say hey can you undo this that was the inside of my body mm-hmm but it forced you to stop it made Me stop yeah yeah i could no longer because otherwise you wouldn't he wouldn't have stopped i would never realize what i realized now no
yeah i've been gone blessing right like hey man we gotta bench you because you need to reflect the body will do that the body will do that the body will say hey man you've done a good job now we're [ __ ] done and my body said you're done right so you You have the heart surgeries you make this return to ultras i mean dude we've been talking for like an hour and a half we haven't even talked about any of the ultra stuff um but you know we talked about that last time man you
go out you're crushing it and all these races then you have the heart situation you have two heart surgeries then you're back at it again Uh and then you hit this wall like you describe this classic over training situation where you got back at it and you were training super duper hard and then you showed up and you were just flat right yeah i started gaining weight overnight my thyroid my inner consciousness started shutting down [ __ ] just shutting down left and right i'm surprised it took that long for you to have and like
a severe over Training episode and yeah it was a severe you know it was probably over training mixed with a lot of other [ __ ] the the body was whacked it was whacked man and um it just said you're done go ahead hang up your shoes lay in the bed it's time to die and how long did that go on for it went on about five years five years yeah so wait what period of time was This so you're looking at it was bad water so before bad water 2013 is when it started i
actually walked 100 miles of that race to finish it that was when i was crewing dean that year yeah and you were right on our heels like most of the day and if i was i walked that whole thing if i was on dean's he was walking a lot of themselves so it was not a good year for him i walked that almost whole race i was cramping up so bad look like an alien Was in my quads they were just doing this weird thing i was hydrating salt like what the hell is going on
my body started shutting down then and then i had like a a period of time i was like my god feeling my best and i crushed this race called frozen otter and i was like my god man i'm back no i wasn't it was just my body saying we got one more in this man before we give it up so 2013 is when it really started hitting hard man It went on from all the things that you had to process that was probably one of the hardest being told you have to stop it was one
of my hardest but i have to be honest with you it was uh the most eye-opening refreshing time my entire life it was like it really made me reset and it like like what it said to me was all right man we still gotta find a hundred percent You can't run you can't work out so that's why i went to school and i became a medic you know stuff like that went to you know i started doing all i i literally reset so i'm always in constant pursuit of my hundred percent whatever that is if
i can't run anymore i'm gonna see what else i can do so it i i was real proud of how i handled that when my whole life got stripped from me and i was at like 20 years in the Military and my life was getting stripped man and i couldn't run i couldn't work i couldn't do [ __ ] anymore and i didn't lose my [ __ ] all that training i've gone through mental training i'd gone through i was able to utilize it to find a lot of peace in myself a lot of joy
and a lot of uh self-fulfillment and it was uh it was actually uh not that bad time yeah well my favorite chapter in The entire book is the final chapter well i mean i was just so because one of the things i've always sort of thought about you or or been concerned about with you is like is this guy going to just go to his grave grinding and just angry and resentful and venging you know against the world or is he going to be able to find peace is he going to be able to be
content is he going to be able to find a Way to to you know find the joy and the gratitude for these experiences or are you just going to be fighting all the way to the end man and you found that right like i was so happy to like read that yeah i found it but what's great about it is i found it but i can still tap into it yeah dude is it was there a moment of thinking like if i if i allow myself to Experience joy and gratitude that i'm not going to
be able to be as hard then i'm going to lose that edge that distinguishes me no that's not at all what it was was um i never felt that my entire life you're almost taught that [ __ ] when you're born in a happy home and and you're born around happy [ __ ] it kind of comes out i never i don't laugh My dad beat the laughter out of me when when you can't read and write and you're trying to hide out in classes and please don't call on me and [ __ ] and
you're [ __ ] all scared and [ __ ] everywhere you go you're nervous and you're in you're panicked and you're stuttering and you know your whole life is that [ __ ] there's not joy in that [ __ ] that becomes who you are no matter how much you change You're scarred so people like my god man you never smile never do this it's my life it's my life so you gotta teach yourself how to read and write and also [ __ ] smile and say it's okay a lot of things aren't like you
know man why don't you do this like i don't judge people that's why i don't judge people man you don't smile Look so hard like this read my book and don't forget where i came from it's who you are you have to undo that [ __ ] and no one came down and trained me on how to be happy how to find peace how to do this and that's why i'm so glad i found it through suffering the greater the suffer the greater the peace i found but you have to reflect on where you came
from from the dungeon of hell that came from how to reflect on That [ __ ] to find final peace and be able to say wow [ __ ] if you die in this bed at 40 years old i'm the happiest [ __ ] in the world because i did it i pissed people off along the way some people don't like me merry christmas whatever but you can finally look in the [ __ ] mirror and you can cuss on damn rich roll [ __ ] and don't care what they say about you be happy
with it The non-judgmental part is a lesson that you had to learn the hard way too right big time yeah big time i used to hate people not liking me one of the hardest things in the world for me at a young age was my god i just want to fit in i want to fit in i want you like me so that's a horrible [ __ ] place to be in life because you lose yourself when you want to fit in with people so Badly normal [ __ ] people no better than you you
do whatever you can to fit in that's a bad place to be you lose yourself in trying to create a character that other people will accept and the that's what i found a lot of joy man this is god this is me i speak in the third person i'm [ __ ] up i got some [ __ ] going on i'm still working on Myself take it or leave it you don't like me take a number and get in line man and does that involve like a spiritual perspective like what does that look like for
you i am a even though people may not believe it because i cuss which is hilarious i believe in god big time i've had this voice in my head since i was a young kid so what trained me Was that voice and i'm not gonna go god on you right now i don't care if you believe in god or not that's not my place i'm not here to judge you you have your own life and your own things to deal with this voice in my head guided me to a spot where i'm at today and
if you don't believe that you're here for a reason your life will seriously hurt and i started looking at my life and all This [ __ ] i went through as god put me some god whatever you believe and put me here to go through this and now i see all the hundreds of thousands of lives i'm changing by the hell i went through there's a lot of power in that so my purpose as i started going through this journey instead of looking at like what was me god man why why the [ __ ]
man why i started looking as It's the perfect training ground you knew exactly what you were doing you know exactly what the [ __ ] you were doing obviously you put me in every situation possible to tell a story that needs to be told yeah looking back it's like every domino is lined up perfectly to create the person that i'm sitting across from right now and also you took advantage you leveraged all of Those opportunities to be that best version of yourself i did as as as afraid of that i mean it was a very
scary scary road a guy who was afraid of a lot of things to then find power and fear to find power in overcoming fear and to get where i'm at today where there's very few things i'm really afraid of because i know how to control it i know how to manage it i know how to work it to my advantage now It's it's something else man so i really challenge people to really do a live autopsy on your brain and the reason why i talk about my childhood so much in this because i don't want
you to put a title on me because once you title me as a freak you now put yourself in a position where you can be very comfortable in saying it's just not possible for me yeah that's so important because you have Done so many crazy things it's very easy to just say well he's a crazy outlier that's it that's it he's that guy he's that special guy nope and that's the thing that makes me so pissed off in this world man the one thing the only thing gets me mad nowadays is that so many people
die with untapped potential because they think that someone else is [ __ ] better than them And they were born you know not with the greatest tools you don't need [ __ ] you need the ability to [ __ ] grind your ass into a fine [ __ ] powder and when that fire powder find a way to build that [ __ ] back up repeatedly and it's possible yeah for you what i love is that you go out on these crazy training excursions and it's just pair of running shoes and shorts that's it Man
you don't have any crazy gear no any sponsored [ __ ] or anything like that nope it's just at its most purest form i i found a lot in that man always it has to be pure man like i don't want people like the reason i don't post hey post what you're doing today no no man this is my time i want you to [ __ ] know what i'm doing today this is this is my time this is my growth factor but i think it creates a lot of demand because when you Do drop
that bomb once a week or whatever it drops up it's like oh [ __ ] i'll look at it and i'll be like damn man that thing's got like two hundred thousand views i posted it like an hour ago hey man i'll let somebody know what's going on every now and then you know it's a it's all about giving back and training but i'm still learning i'm still learning i'm not yoda yet what do you what do you still need to learn and what are you still afraid of Honestly my my biggest fear to this
day is um and i say it a lot and i say a lot and it's it's it's going to heaven and being judged by god and you know god has i believe that god has this knows everything about you from time you're born when you're gonna be born when you're gonna die When you're gonna graduate buzz whatever's gonna happen to you he knows all this [ __ ] some people never do what god knows you're capable of doing because you keep getting you know we have choices my biggest fear in life was to was to
get to heaven and god looked at me as i'm being judged and i was some fat 300 pound guy like i Used to be that still sprayed for cockroaches it was a [ __ ] you know that's that's okay it's what you want to do i didn't want to do that and i made a thousand dollars you know a month and i got to heaven and god laid out this chart in front of me and he said hey man look at this chart and had my name on top and all this amazing [ __ ]
i'm like that's not that's not me man he goes that's who you were supposed to be My biggest fear in life is that one day if i ever get judged by something someone some some energy force that go up there and i failed the mission whatever whatever force up there thought i was supposed to be some badass and i went up there underachieved you know i want that force up there that knows everything to be riding as i'm living saying i had no [ __ ] idea He even had this in him so i want
to just be the best i [ __ ] can and a lot of people say that i truly mean that and what is it that you have to learn i still learn me you know i i still feel there's you know there's times where as a human being i'm a human and you you still fall back in these in these ruts of life where you think that you had a permanent Fix because i've done all that nothing's a permanent fix man that's why i grind every day because nothing is permanent are you training for anything
right now i'm signed up for the hurt 100. oh you actually got in it and my schedule is so [ __ ] packed but i'm hoping i have like literally a one day literally i can go out there run the race And fly back uh-huh when is that one is a race it is i think the 17th or 18th or 19th it's in that it's that weekend right in there that's a rare return to a race i mean other than bad water i've been raised three times already yeah oh you've done hurt three times oh
you have okay yeah i've done three times and i haven't done a hundred mile race since that bad water 2013. i've done i've done several ultras But the 100 mile this you know my body just wasn't just not there it's there now but now my schedule's so busy but i said it's almost time man right but i feel like bad water's your [ __ ] that's the one that stands out amongst everything as the thing you're always trying to master it and what's funny about that i'm just now getting to the point now where i'm
being i'm gonna be real dangerous next time i get out there well Listen man you're 43 now right 43. you're prime i am you know this is this is the prime of my life this is my prime ultimate in life 43 it was my best year was it yeah i mean it's you're you're ready to un uncoil man i think i i i believe so i i don't want to the biggest challenge for you now is that your life is so big and that's the thing man i used to be this underground nah and the
monk is what gave me my strength I was an underground much quieter so much quiet in my life i silenced all the noise out you're that guy in the corner with the hoodie on that's me man yeah that's me that's me dangerous [ __ ] try to man um so so we can expect another bad water appearance oh for sure yeah for sure that is that that this will not end this will not end without that [ __ ] right there yeah well i want to i want to pivot a little Bit and talk about
the takeaways here for for the reader i mean we talked about um the accountability mirror a little bit uh we talked about visualization and taking souls uh but let's talk a little bit about how uh journaling has been instrumental in this journey that you've been on yeah so basically i've been journaling now for several years and i should have brought my journal with me man i mean i Have several of them i have these little green military notebooks that i've kept actually put a couple in the in the book there coming right outs but i
write down my day and what i do is i go back and study that day like sometimes i might i might get sick i might be over trained i might um gain a couple pounds here i might feel whatever that and i it's like my accountability journal Of what i'm doing with my life physical mental um i had an eating journal all this [ __ ] and helps me go back to once again study i'm a lab rat and i study myself and i'm like when i'm feeling [ __ ] up i go okay what
i do last week and usually i can find out where i messed up last week you know how much i'm Traveling how much i'm sleeping how much i'm doing all this stuff and and through journaling man you can really figure out so much about where you're messing up in life and what you need to fix about yourself taking constant inventory being honest about that and that's thing about you cannot put [ __ ] in there yeah it's got to be a real a real journal about hey today i messed up here today i should have
been a better person Here and not just saying it but actually trying to fix it tomorrow do you extend that accountability to including like bringing in like a close circle of friends and mentors so they know what's going on or are you just accountable to yourself like if somebody's looking at this and saying well i could do that but how do you feel about letting others in on your goals and and and having like external pressure to Hold you accountable no there's no external pressure that's best you don't need it no you know what i
mean but i think other people oh yeah yeah it know it's important to have circles it's important to have like like i talk about man like like that big rabbit hole of bad people that you want to get away from like if you're drunk and you want to stop drinking you got to get away from those people You want to build this nucleus around you of people who are saying it's not okay to sleep in today we gotta get after it hey let me see your journal you're supposed to be running five miles they only
ran three you got to have those people some people need those people and it's important but you want to get to the point in your life it's real important that you hold yourself accountable and those people start to fade away because you now got It you want to be that person because they're not always going to be there to hold your hand mm-hmm uh talk to me about the cookie jar one of the most powerful weapons i have man as a cookie jar and in times of need even the hardest person forgets how badass they
are so i've been through a lot of [ __ ] in my life When you're going through a hard time right now you forget all the hard [ __ ] you endured so the cookie jar is a reminder that oh i can get through this hard time right now but you gotta take a second or two to reach into the mental cookie jar let's say it's a fortune cookie but in my mind my mom used to buy these cookies now in the cookie jar and there's an oreo chips or whatever that's what i got The
cookie jar from but you got to open up and say okay man i i was in three hell weeks and i got through two of them you know i was in ranger school i i endured being called [ __ ] i i saw these beatings i i you know my mom's soon to be husband got got murdered i saw all these i saw a little kid's head get random about all these things i endured alone i have to remind myself of the strength and the power that i have that it's in Me it's just a
reminder of how badass you are in hard times because you know we just forget that that bad time consumes our mind and we forget who we are torching complacency you have to do that every day man a lot of us are very you you become complacent you become very civilized in life you know the worst thing that can happen to a person you become civilized When you get to that point where you believe that you've arrived when you my god man i'm up there near michelle obama on my book i've done it man mm-hmm i'm
good you can coast i can i'm good you don't have to do her i got you you played your man card the [ __ ] i'm doing i want to be a wildland firefighter man i retire from the middle i ain't got i Gotta go out there and dig fireline for three miles i'm 43. i've done it you should just be flying first class everywhere everywhere doing speeches and getting paid crazy kids laying in a hotel kicking it man and that's exactly when it's over that mindset right there to me is death i'm not saying
you can go as hard as you did when you were 20 or not 43 but there's a new bar that you must Always set in your life and once you become complacent and you become civilized you've arrived you're no good for anybody and how do you keep that bar high when most challenges now i would imagine seem trivial compared to what you've endured they are i go back to the sewer and the sewers at seven dollar a month place i once lived in as a young kid so even though mentally mentally mentally and i always
talk about it i Talk about i'm always paying rent in that 7 month place where i grew up in that nasty little place i grew up in i remember it i remember like it was yesterday and i'm glad i do i never want to forget the dungeon of where i come from even though it's real spooky and scary and there's no lights on in there and there's cobwebs and some creepy [ __ ] in there some demons All those [ __ ] in there made me joggins made me who i am today that's where the
strength came from you gotta go back to the beginning to to the fundamentals of life to the very fundamentals of where all like playing basketball you gotta go back to the fundamentals you know you can't always just stay up here you gotta go back to scratch that's how you see that challenge becomes Staying in tune with that that's right you know what i mean because life's getting better and easier for you and bigger and there's more demands on your time and like people are throwing really cool fun [ __ ] at you i'm always you
ask my fiance my my conversation on a weekly basis is i cannot get away from who the [ __ ] i am who i am is who i'm proud of I'm very proud of the hard-working calloused hands callous mind human being that i literally made this person with a lot of help from above a lot of guidance from saying you're going to go left and you should go right that horrible voice that wouldn't let me get away from myself and hide forever i listen to it i listen to it and the only way you can
set the example is you have to always be willing to work I don't follow people who talk about what they used to do in life i give [ __ ] what you used to do i don't care like you know you used to be the basma i don't care what are you doing today you may not be that person now but what are you still doing to try to excel in life and a lot of people now are talking i hear so much talk i don't hear a lot of work i hear a lot Of
people telling you what you should be doing how you should be doing it how you should be [ __ ] living and i look at him and you're fat you're out of shape you look like [ __ ] but you're telling a [ __ ] how to live no man i won't listen to you there's so many people speaking this [ __ ] and that's what bothered me a lot in the military there's a lot of people talking [ __ ] i don't see the real suffering behind it Behind what you're saying that's why i
said man you talk with so much passion because it's a real [ __ ] place it sucks to get for the morning time there was rain like cats and dogs i wanna get my shoes on go run but guess what i got my [ __ ] on and ran yeah got that mother big fear is the vision that's coming into my mind is jake lamotta at the end of raging Bull when he's all fat and he's staring at himself and in his own lack of accountability mirror right right like drunk and talking about the good
old days right there are no good old days man no no good old days you gotta you gotta go back and use it for strength man but it's where you're at now i think the the most um one of the most powerful uh takeaways uh challenges that you pose in The book is the schedule it in thing man because the biggest thing that i hear and i know you must hear constantly every single day is like i don't have time man you don't know my life i got this i got that i got this it's
just it's not going to happen for me right what you don't have is you haven't prioritized your life correctly we all have time we all have time what you've done wrong is that you Didn't prioritize yourself you didn't prioritize that look [ __ ] i got to get up and win this war today against myself i need to look better i need to feel but i need to eat better i need to prioritize time or i gotta run 100 miles on broken feet or you gotta do whatever it is that's it that's it man there's
a lot of growth in that [ __ ] um Scheduling it in so so i like this idea of you know doing taking this inventory um tool and applying it to how you're spending your time throughout the day you know i talked about this a lot you went into detail in this challenge about look man if you if you actually write down how you're spending your time throughout the day over a seven day period i mean it's crazy because i thought i was being pretty efficient With my time and i've done this and it's just
amazing how much time is wasted that you're not even consciously aware unreal how much time you waste during the day and most of it is on these [ __ ] computers phones you know instagram and back and forth whatever the heck you call this [ __ ] nowadays tweeting and texting this [ __ ] we waste so much time on our little gadgets it's unreal and we tell that we have no time if you really take you have to take Your day and write write down this one day everything you do write that down and
you're like my god i am wasting so much time on frivolous [ __ ] it's not even funny i mean it will it will it doesn't infuriate you it should because there's so much time i can't get it in look at your schedule you just wasted seven hours today on [ __ ] i mean you don't have an hour a day to try to get something in for yourself I guarantee everybody can find an hour then it becomes about willingness yeah because most people just they're not they're not willing to get up that early measure
to you know make those sacrifices required so it's a function of of how badly do you want to change your life and what are you willing to endure to craft that life that you aspire to have or do you just want to talk about it yeah i mean it's [ __ ] Miserable it is miserable i mean to get up every day or five days a week whatever when it's snowing shiny not not shiny not not comfortable and to go in the gym and work out when you don't want to go to the gym it
is not fun well and we're in a culture that that is driving everybody towards this idea that happiness is purchased through luxury comfort and ease of truth could not be You know more different from that reality that if you want to find peace with yourself self-understanding self-knowledge self-esteem all of these things are going to be found only through sacrifice getting uncomfortable reevaluating what your normal is and and putting yourself in situations that you don't want to [ __ ] do yes and we want it very fast If you don't see results in the first two
days of the first week i'm done that's the mentality of most people the struggle is too real we're not patient we like in a world where you can google the best restaurants around me right now no one is patient and for you to lose weight for you to stop drinking if you wear the hell you're going through it takes a lot of patience a lot of time and a lot of pitfalls a lot of plateaus you can hit so many [ __ ] plateaus if You don't know how to get around that plateau it's not
going to happen fast yeah everybody wants the hack yeah everybody wants to have there is no hack man there's no hack so what do you think is the biggest stumbling block that most people face with this kind of journey honestly is they have the woe is me mentality Is too hard life isn't fair these things in life are are not easy for me you you look to your left you look to your right and you start to judge yourself off other people like if you're a female well she's skinny and she doesn't work out as
hard as i do and everything starts to corrupt your mind you start to look around too much at other people what they're doing And that starts to corrupt your own dialogue we are judging ourselves against too many [ __ ] people you have to judge yourself against yourself and that's the one thing i started learning man this in the race against me and rich roll this race against david goggins and david goggins alone and once you can silence all that [ __ ] all the outside interference and things that are attracting your mind to everything
you can then start to grow and realizing i'm stressed out for no reason this is my own little race and it's my own timeline and this is how i'm going to run it i think that so many people are so disconnected from themselves they're operating on autopilot they're reacting To their environment that even when given the opportunity to set a goal for themselves they generally don't set the right goal right because they don't know what the [ __ ] they're doing because they don't even know who they are fundamentally that's the big thing man and
that's why it was important for me to finally realize stop being all these fake people i used to be stop being afraid there was no growth Until i cut myself down to nothing to the person i really was the real human being and once i found out who i really was that's when i started growing i was trying to build on top of a lied [ __ ] up foundation you can't build a house in a [ __ ] up foundation so i had to get down to the actual mineral soil of who i was
and that's when you can start real growth And what is the role that suffering plays in that or the willingness to suffer it starts to peel all those layers away all those artificial layers away if you're willing to suffer and suffer and go back in the grind that internal dialogue you have with yourself when you're in misery and you're uncomfortable it's a real scary unfiltered no lying dialogue between you And yourself and people know exactly what the [ __ ] i'm talking about when you're in a bad spot in life and your mind is saying
all kind of [ __ ] that's who you really are that's the real you no rocky balboa moments going on up there like hey you know it's around 14. that's come on we got this no it's like [ __ ] this i'm out of here man this is crazy that's where the growth happens when you're able to stay in that moment And talk to yourself talk yourself back into the suck of whatever you're going through and you start stripping those layers away but as you're stripping those layers away you're building calluses over top of [
__ ] in your mind that's where the growth starts to happen is when you have to force yourself to stay in it you can't you can't leave it that's why ultras are such a great Vehicle for self-exploration and that's why you see all of these um cultures over the millennia that you talk about in your book who use running as a means of self-exploration and a path to enlightenment because you can't [ __ ] yourself when you're getting it strips you down to who you are and you you are confronted with the Truth of yourself
and your reality and you're forced to wrestle with that yes in a way where there's no escape hatch no like that first hundred mile race i've talked about several times where i lost all yeah all everything still the hardest physical thing you've ever done right yes physically and mentally because like you just said i was unprepared for that race no training you should just recap it like Zero training 100 miles so that you could impress chris gossman do you want to get in the bad water pretty much right and what about impressing that guy by
any means well you needed him to sign it i needed to sign off on it and it was like three days later i mean 100 mile race no train at all and when you do that it is stupid but when it does if you're not going to quit it like you just talked about it breaks you Down to nothing you are suffering so badly mentally and physically that all of these demons are coming up and you're trying to find answers and you're trying to find answers it it was like living 19 hours it's like five
years i put in the 19 hours of highs and lows and pitfalls and and seeing the sun come up and it was like my god i lived 5 years and 19 hours it was unbelievable it's Unbelievable so do you find yourself chasing that now with every ultra challenge no because once you realize what you get from ultra which you get from life i can apply that now just by sitting here with you you know those tools now i don't need to go out even though i still do it and go out and hammer The hammering
part is like you know it's like a uh a purging of the soul you go out there and hammer out there you gotta do that every once in a while you got a hammer man you gotta you gotta get after it but now i figured out so many different ways and so many different tools through all of the journeys i've been through through this growing up man just just being sure you know just just being really mature And not holding on to hate you know really really just letting all that [ __ ] go man
and starting from scratch and let's go let's go forward how do you let it go i don't think enough about people that have that have wronged me or situations that have wronged me because once you've once you've uh come to a place where you are really happy with who you are in life no one [ __ ] with you anymore even Though they're [ __ ] with you it doesn't [ __ ] with it it doesn't [ __ ] with you you're like all these i used to be so hurt by everything in the military
and if someone did some or says something like man i have overcome so much [ __ ] there's not like i i'm just in a really good head space right now my head space i own it a lot of people own other people's headspace I own my own [ __ ] now what do you mean oh no like they're just all caught up in what other people think about them and running all these narratives that's right they're they're more caught up in what other people think about them than how you feel about your own personal
self so a lot of people have their brain and their mind on rent to a whole bunch of [ __ ] in the world yeah I am paying rent on my own [ __ ] i finally put announced down payment on it and i'm making payments every dagger on day on my own [ __ ] brain so you don't you don't [ __ ] control that [ __ ] anymore man i got it so walk me through a day in the life what's it look like right now well i mean it's got to be crazy
right now i i leave here and i fly out to oregon and i'll be in oregon with uh cameron Haynes we'll be getting out there for a few days a lot more podcasts a lot more interviews but every day every morning i get up i still get my run in every morning how do you structure the training the training is basically structured off of my schedule so look at my schedule and i say okay um jennifer what do we have today we have this at seven o'clock in the Morning roger that that means i gotta
be up by four o'clock in the morning to run that's how it works that's how all my [ __ ] works so she lays out the schedule of events two out you just you just set it two hours earlier she says it could take an hour to get to rich rolls let's say we were at seven o'clock today in the morning it takes an hour to get to rich rolls with no traffic okay let's let's block into hour 15 for rich roll okay we got that the morning time i'm gonna run seven miles this morning
i need uh 52 30 for that roger that put in [ __ ] shower shave add that in so the schedule dictates but i have always just push it back right so that means getting up at 1 30. trust me roger that i've done that several times yeah several how much sleep do you usually get I i like getting seven to eight hours of sleep nowadays i can do that but there's times where the schedule says hey man you're getting three hours and if that's the case right merry christmas one of the things i felt
that uh maybe joe rogan didn't quite grasp was why you would go out and uh become this wildland firefighter at this stage in your life right yeah um yeah he had a look on his face like what the [ __ ] Um that's once again going back to the roots going back to who i am who how i became who i am today and it comes back from hard work it comes back from having that very minimalistic mindset and when you're out there man and you're 43 and i've accomplished a lot of [ __ ]
You're out there with some 20 year old kids and you're nobody again being nobody there's a lot of power in being nobody there's a lot of power from going to scratch again and going back out there picking up a pulaski and just digging fire line you're just another guy on the line digging a fire line and no one ain't no there's there's no text message there's no my god david can You sign my book no [ __ ] get your ass out there it's like being in army ranger school again where all the titles are
removed removed that's exactly what it is man and i take a i've always lived that lifestyle i always talk about living day one week one because i started day one week one of buds so many [ __ ] times and when you hear that your heart just crumbled like [ __ ] day one week one again man i could go through all that [ __ ] again Like i said it became my new norm and i found so much growth in that day one week one mentality but what i did wrong i try to put
that mentality on a lot of people and they don't want it yeah what do you think people most misunderstand about your story not happy i'm uh one the biggest thing is they say look At his eyes look at his eyes man have you seen his eyes look he has demons in his eyes he looks so unhappy i'm like there's a lot of projection you know and i i see some of this [ __ ] i i think that the biggest thing is i'm not happy i'm not i'm not fulfilled you know all this [ __
] they're so missing the point man what they see in me is a very focused driven human being who found a buried [ __ ] treasure Within himself not many people found it so the journey i'm on is very different than most people which i don't judge people i say that many times i don't judge people i'm judged a lot by how i look my eyes my my not smiling all the time not laughing not joking and that's the big i'm a funny [ __ ] big time but guess what right now It's easy to
be happy it's easy to smile those are the good times the good times those times don't need to be trained you know how to train myself for good times those times for most people don't need to be trained what i'm trying to give you all is the misery of sometimes we go through in life those are times we don't want to [ __ ] Talk about we want to skip forward to peace let's just [ __ ] [ __ ] all this let's skip all this pain and suffering and misery of real life let's let's
cover it over nice big blanket and let's find peace no sorry it's not possible yeah go into that [ __ ] hell hole of life that you have That [ __ ] you up and fix it and that's what i'm here to do you got to go to war with yourself before there's peace that's what i say in the book you're saying you must go to war yourself before you find peace so i'm trying to give you tools on how to do that and i'm not considering a smile and be happy about it it's a
hard journey it's a real journey it's a it's a journey that's gonna take you way outside of being comfortable you'll be Very very uncomfortable but it's what we're what's what we're here to do very what i mean i love people i love that story that you tell about you know showing up at the pearly gates and wanting to be evaluated based upon your potential that's right i mean i believe we're here to grow and progress and evolve and if you're not committed to that journey then i think you're missing The beauty of life and that
doesn't mean it's easy because it [ __ ] ain't it is the warrior's path truly 100 but if you don't acclimate to challenging yourself and facing obstacles and becoming better on a consistent daily basis then what the [ __ ] are you doing 100 and sometimes you have to put the obstacle in front of You that's why i went to be with you right so now life's good and easy so you have to create this job think about it i have no obstacles anymore man life is good so i'm going to go up to montana
or wyoming or whatever you go to like go i go to montana i said here's my obstacle so once your life gets easy and Everything is great it's time to go online and google some obstacles to put like the [ __ ] in front of you and when you look back on your childhood and you think about your dad do you find peace with that do you find gratitude 100 man for me to start this journey that had to start i had to go back to where it started from and i i came from that
man that man is a part Of me i had to accept that had accepted a lot of my insecurities why that man beat me why that man beat my mom while that man got in my head and everybody said he had a [ __ ] up life i had to study him and i had to realize i had to find peace with all that i had to realize that what he did like he hated me he hate himself and so once you start to grow up and like i say take a different vantage Point i
had to forgive that man even though i didn't say sorry he never said sorry we had our last conversation at 22 years old and he died about four or five years ago that's the last time i talked about 22 years old but he was able to see you become successful from a distance i think it hurt him i think it hurt him because he saw me become a man a man that he was very Proud of and he'd have much to do with it but once again i didn't hate him he was the fuel beneath
at all he was a lot of the fuel man but once but i will say this anger was never my fuel a lot of people think that i would think that would be maybe a big misconception about you it is it's easy to look at you and that guy's that guy is lit up on anger and resentment even back in the Day so i gotta say i've never said this before i was actually telling my fiance this the other day people think anger was my [ __ ] fuel just so yeah anger can be a
fuel anger got me to look into things to become better i want to show him but i tell you one thing when you're suffering and you're [ __ ] at the wit's end and you want to [ __ ] quit that anger is gone brother well it's Also not a sustainable feeling your mind is thinking about let's get the [ __ ] out of here so i realized this angry ain't [ __ ] i didn't think about my dad beat me up i think my kids call me [ __ ] i think about any [
__ ] i thought man this [ __ ] water is cold as balls man i get the [ __ ] out of here so i realized anger was no fuel for me it may have got me to say i'm gonna be somebody Anger got me caught up in some serious ego trips man yeah and on the subject of of sustainable fuel sources uh motivation's not your favorite motivation is just uh it's goggins he's so motivational i'm so motivated i'm so inspired yeah motivation is kindly man it's just killing like you know all these fires that
happen out here in california man so it's so tragic what happened out here but those fires start by a little motivation and this is what I'm looking at man it's like a like a little spark starts these big fires it was so crazy that's why i look at motivation motivation just a spark but those little sparks if somebody comes by real quick with some water that fires down it's out but if you come by and that little fire no one touches it and that little fire which is motivation which is kindling and that kindling Grows
off to like they call it one hour fuels two hour fuels 10 hour fuels 10 000 fuels you want that thing to boil over and catch a nice big log it's gonna burn a long time and that big lawn starts catching everything on fire this is your soul so motivation a lot of times can we [ __ ] just put some water on it puts it out that motivation needs to turn into drive Passion obsession to what you want to become and once they come obsession or driven it's a [ __ ] inferno so now
you gotta call in tons of fire fires and call in for help for here calling for help from there and they're not putting that [ __ ] out i don't think they can take that thing out it's gotta burn itself out but obsession is self-generated you can't will another person to become obsessed not at all that has to You know be something that is cultivated deep deep inside yourself deep and most people never experience what it's like to be obsessed and i think we put a negative label we oh yeah obsession oh he's oh yeah
he's obsessed no it's to me it's a it's a daggone it's a it's a compliment it's a compliment man to be and a lot of times it can [ __ ] you up it can ruin your life You can be obsessed but i'll tell you one thing if you want to be great you want to be the best [ __ ] ever at what you do you could be misunderstood by everybody because you're going to be so [ __ ] obsessed and so driven to get there that's what it takes that's the truth it takes
every second of your [ __ ] life anybody says balance yeah balance is important for a lot of [ __ ] people it is but if you want to [ __ ] go to that edge where people do not like you don't understand you question everything you [ __ ] do you you've arrived when you are misunderstood to the point where [ __ ] people think you're psycho and you're nuts and you're this and that why are you in the [ __ ] gym at one o'clock in the [ __ ] morning you just got
through doing a op for [ __ ] 13 14 hours after ranger School man at the gym was wrong you will never understand what is wrong with me and that's why i'm so [ __ ] glad you don't because i'm in the right [ __ ] spot when people don't understand you anymore you're in that spot of obsession and drive where people like what the [ __ ] is wrong with this guy i don't want to talk to you man because You're not going to get it you're not going to get it boom i want
you to get it yeah i want you to get it yeah it's powerful man all right we gotta land this ship uh but i wanna leave people with uh a couple thoughts um this is gonna go up on new year's day it's the time of year where everyone's thinking about what they want their 2019 to look like they should have been thinking about that a long time ago Right that's not the way it works right for most people um so let's let's leave people let's let's get them you know set on a good trajectory with
a couple things to think about and execute on as they like lead into january roger that man it's all about mindset yeah that's it man you have to change the dialogue within your head and one thing i guarantee you there's some stat out there about January 1. all that kindling that that you started all that motivation usually burn out by about 10 to 12 days later so let's see how far you can take that [ __ ] let's see if you can get a [ __ ] challenge from goggins to you usually it's 10 to
12 days man people always coming hey i want a workout program i no longer give them anymore because you gonna waste my [ __ ] time Because i know most people out there once that [ __ ] one alarm clock goes off at the wrong time of the day i'm not going to the gym right or they get the workout program but then they're like hey they hit you up again what kind of watch do i need to get that's right that's kind of shoes just keep coming keep coming daddy goes by without anything going
on keep coming go to the store buy a pair of shoes and merry christmas have fun with that [ __ ] Call me after you lose some [ __ ] weight running your ass in the dirt and then we'll work on some other [ __ ] right get your base on there you go man all right cool um pleasure and an honor my friend hey thank you so much for having me on again rich i appreciate you man this is uh this is amazing um i cannot recommend this book more highly Can't hurt me get
the audiobook get the hardcover it's available or wherever you buy books i'll put a link in the show notes uh to it as well um this book will [ __ ] change your life i promise you man and i'm i'm no stranger to these kind of narratives and i thought like i said at the outset of this that i knew the story i did not know the story and i was profoundly Impacted by it um and also uh just so great that that our mutual friend adam is part of this team oh he's the man
oh man he did a great job of capturing your voice and i know this was you know a long journey with the two of you guys but uh it came out on top man i went through a lot of ghost riders now i hate i don't even call them a ghost rider that's the wrong word ghostwriter [ __ ] on this that's why the so-called ghost rider was Hand-in-hand right beside me doing the audiobook so you know he's he's a lot more than a ghostbuster he was a guy that captured a very [ __ ]
up life and he captured that [ __ ] just right together we captured some good [ __ ] so it's it's a good read yeah it's a good read awesome man all right dude until next time roger that peace roger that out [Music] Absolutely insane right are you pumped right now how pumped are you there's no way that you're not pumped after listening to that so please remember this feeling bottle it go back listen to it again hold on to this and then put it to work that's the thing put it to work and you
can begin this process by visiting the show notes on the episode page at richroll.com where you'll find all kinds of additional links ways to engage with David beyond the podcast and please waste no time picking up his new book can't hurt me uh there's a link in the show notes to do just that and you can follow him on instagram or twitter but ig that's where it's all happening for david very inspirational so check that out at david goggins again we have a special limited time deal on our plant power meal planner 20 off when
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on the show today very special thanks to randy berez for her amazing portraits of david that she gave us permission to use for this episode so thank you for that jason camiolo for production audio engineering show notes interstitial music blake curtis and margot lubin for creating the video version of this podcast for the filming and the editing and for the graphics jessica miranda for her beautiful graphics which you can find on The home page of apple podcast itunes beautiful picture of david advertising this show david khan for advertising relationships and theme music as always by
annalemma so thanks for the love you guys see you back here next week with another return of a great former guest the great zach bush md it's so good you guys are in for a real treat with that one until then happy 2019 people peace Plants namaste [Music] you
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