Light out everybody what's up everybody welcome back to another episode of the lights out podcast i'm your host josh as always i've got my brother and producer joel here with me as well what's up man what up we are back with another serial killer but today we're talking about a very Interesting person and that is eileen wernos and she's actually the first woman ever to fit the fbi's profile of a serial killer so many people basically consider her to be america's first female serial killer oh cool i feel like so often we're talking about males
and male serial killers yeah so i was like and plus this was a highly requested episode actually a lot Of people are very interested in eileen wiernos i mean she's got an absolutely insane life story to go along with her crimes so you're in for a wild ride today but before we jump into all that i just wanted to say thank you to everybody who has not only checked out my cbd brand higher love wellness which by the way if you need cbd or Interested in cbd or hemp extract products higher levelwellness.com i've got you
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parents diane pratt and leo dale pittman got married in 1954 when they were 14 and 16 years old super young to get married and about a year later they had their first child which was their son Named keith two months before eileen was born diane filed for divorce and she ended up with custody of both children eileen's father was in jail when she was born and as far as anyone knows she never met him he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and in and out of jail and mental hospitals for the entirety of her life he actually
went to prison for kidnapping and sodomizing an Eight-year-old boy and then he ended up hanging himself in his cell in 1969 and there's some accounts out there that say he was actually strangled by another inmate but it's never been confirmed so just i mean born into a very chaotic environment obviously not that stable of parents clearly so when eileen was just six months old her mother was overwhelmed with how hard It was to have two crying unhappy babies who were always making a racket so she would drop them off their finish-born parents lowry and britta
wernos and then just never came back they ended up legally adopting their grandchildren in march 1960 and raised them as their own and as far as eileen and keith knew lowry and brita were their parents and Their aunt and uncle lori and barry were their step siblings and it was actually rumored that laurie had raped his daughter diane and eileen really was his biological daughter which if that's true that's just that just makes everything more morph just [ __ ] up honestly but most of what's known about their childhood in michigan came from eileen many
years later according to her Life with laurie and britta was rough they were both alcoholics and there was a lot of physical and emotional abuse brita was a strict disciplinarian and often whipped her granddaughter with a belt just for kicks is how eileen would explain later on laurie was physically and sexually abusive he would force eileen to strip off her clothes before molesting and beating her despite what eileen claims her Step-siblings would later claim that they had a normal childhood that was strict but not abusive at all but more than one of eileen's friends witnessed
lowry beating her eileen and keith were forced to follow strict rules or not supervised at all when eileen was six years old her and keith were setting fires with lighter fluid and she ended up being severely burned and scarred on her face And by the time she was 11 she started trading sexual acts for money drugs cigarettes and even food from the boys at her school many young boys in the neighborhood actually had their first sexual experience with eileen including her own brother keith around this time eileen and keith discovered that brita and lowry were
really their grandparents and lori And barry were their aunt and uncle and after this they were harder to control and started spending more time away from home in junior high eileen's teachers were very concerned about her she was acting out more and had hearing loss and vision problems and they discovered that her iq was 81 which is considered low average or in the low dole normal range and they advocated for her to see a counselor and gave her a mild Tranquilizer to improve her behavior this was also about the same time that lowry started letting
his friends rape eileen when she was 13 or 14 years old one of these men got her pregnant neighbors claimed it was an older friend of lowry's others believed it was a man named chief who is known as the local pedophile but chief eventually died by suicide she Waited six months before telling lowry and brita that she was pregnant and according to eileen no one believed that she was raped her family blamed her and just called her a [ __ ] she was then sent to a home for unwed mothers and the staff said she
was hostile and didn't get along with the other girls there but on march 23 1971 eileen gave birth to a boy But lowry forced her to give up the baby for adoption so after eileen had the baby she went back home and was shunned by the kids in her neighborhood and at school they called her names and said terrible things about her and this is when she fell deeper into drugs which were very easy to come by during this time especially drugs like lsd her brother keith And aunt laurie liked to throw huge parties at
their house every chance they could and eileen used the money she made doing sex work to buy alcohol and cigarettes for the parties and other than taking her money laurie pretty much ignored eileen during one party a few guys threw eileen out the back door into the snow and wouldn't let her back in just absolutely Abused at every which way i mean every turn she made every person it seems like she encountered abused her in some way by the 10th grade eileen dropped out of high school and she was at this point a heavy drinker
and drug user a few months after moving back in with her grandparents brita died of liver failure from years of alcohol abuse instead of taking care of eileen and Keith on his own lowry told them if they didn't move out he'd kill them eileen's biological mother diane always suspected that lowry actually killed brita and used her death as an excuse to kick the kids out now 15 years old eileen became a warden of the court but she didn't live in foster homes instead she spent the next two years living in the woods at the end
of her Street she slept in abandoned cars or just on the ground even during the coldest months of the year and the only way she could really support herself was with petty crime and sex work and she went by the alias sandra creche and in order to bathe her shower she would head over to the nearby gas station or in a motel room of one of her john's It is a very dangerous life i mean at just 18 years old she is already basically homeless and doing sex work and just trying to survive and at
this point she had been raped more than five times just probably one of the hardest you know childhoods you could possibly have i mean especially for a woman i mean or a man it doesn't matter i mean this Is just brutal no matter what and very difficult to come out of it on skates right i mean with just so many horrible and traumatic experiences especially the rapes it's very i mean it's not hard to see why she goes the way that she does but eileen did have some friends her best friend don botkins tried to
help her as much as she could and she later said the kids were so cruel to eileen now regret it And try to lie about giving her clothes and food but after two years of living outside eileen decided that she'd had enough and started hitchhiking around the country she worked as a waitress a maid a pool hustler and a sex worker and her life on the road led her to rely more and more on sex work as a way to make steady money and luckily there's actually a good amount of clips Interview clips of eileen
so i'm going to include some in this episode so here is a an interesting clip of eileen describing how she got into sex work and what that was like i wasn't too high priced so i could keep the customers satisfied soon after leaving michigan she started to really build up her rap sheet she was arrested for things like drunk driving illegal possession of a firearm Forgery assault armed robbery car theft resisting arrest obstruction of justice disorderly conduct and disturbing the peace officers consistently described her as an erratic angry woman with a poor attitude in 1974
she was actually in our home state of colorado where she was arrested for disorderly conduct drunk driving and firing a gun from a moving vehicle but she actually skipped town before the Trial started in 1976 she was arrested in michigan for disturbing the peace an assault after throwing a cue ball at a bartender's head four days after this incident her brother keith died of throat cancer and left her ten thousand dollars from his life insurance policy but ten thousand dollars for eileen did not last her very long at all she actually blew through this Money
in just two months and she actually ended up buying a new car for herself that she eventually totaled around this time her grandfather committed suicide and now she really had nowhere to go back to so her new goal was to move to florida you know who wouldn't want to move to florida where it's always warm and sunny you know if you don't have a place to to live i mean definitely want to be Somewhere warm so she hitchhiked to the state and right away she met 69 year old louis fell and he was the president
of a yacht club and made a comfortable income from railroad stocks eileen was desperate for security and in may 1976 they actually got married and news of their marriage was included in the society pages of the local Newspaper but two weeks later lewis got a restraining order against her claiming she attacked him with his own cane when he wouldn't give her more money eileen said he was the one who attacked her with the cane and nine weeks after getting married the marriage was annulled throughout her life eileen attempted suicide at least six Times the last
known time was in 1978. when a boyfriend broke up with her she was so distraught she shot herself in the stomach but she ended up being okay and being treated at the nearby hospital which happened to be in daytona beach and eileen really liked the daytona beach area she hung out at the last resort bar which was a biker bar in port orange and stayed at the fairview motel she had Casual friends she could drink with and made enough money to get by by doing sex work again she was arrested multiple times in florida under
her legal name and under multiple aliases and in 1981 she ended up serving some jail time at the time she was living with a boyfriend and after a bad fight she drank 24 beers and took four elibrium which is a Sedative and decided to test her boyfriend's love she planned to get arrested to see if he would bail her out and if he did that meant he loved her so she went robbed a convenience store clerk at gunpoint and stole 33 dollars she ended up getting arrested less than two hours later and sentenced to three
years in prison and guess what her boyfriend never came for her Or visited wow what a surprise right but just you can just tell like how desperate she is and with peace and love how dumb she was you know seriously like i mean she i think she at this point she just didn't care yeah i mean clearly she didn't care what happened to her and is just about survival at this point and just trying to grasp on to anything but a psychiatrist examined eileen and Reported that she had an average intelligence surprise and short-term and
long-term memory issues he noted that she didn't suffer from any thought disorders or delusions though eileen also told the psychiatrist that she had been raped 10 to 12 times since leaving home she also used a lot of drugs including marijuana uppers downers lsd mescaline Cocaine and pcp and she had experienced complete blackouts since she was 19 years old she was in prison for about two years and released in june 1983 but less than a year later she was convicted again for forging some checks by 1985 she started using her aunt's name lori grody and was
suspected of stealing a revolver and ammunition under this alias a month Later she was arrested for grand theft auto resisting arrest and obstruction the police found a 38 revolver and ammunition the car she had stolen that june she was arrested as lori grody and she had pulled a 22 caliber pistol on a man in his car and demanded that he pay 200 that she said he owed her the police found ammunition on her and the gun under the man's passenger seat And a week later she was pulled over for speeding under another alias susan blehovic
and the ticket included a note from the officer that said attitude poor thinks she is above the law most of her regular johns though were middle-aged or older low to middle class white men and she had only ever dated men by her late 20s she decided to switch things up in her personal life and actually started dating Women her first relationship with a woman was serious enough that eileen bought her a pressure cleaning business it was doing pretty well but her girlfriend ended up robbing her and leaving her with a 400 phone bill and obviously
this caused the business to close soon after in june of 1986 eileen met the woman who had become the love of her life tyrea moore who she affectionately Called thai eileen now 30 years old met tai who was 24 at a gay bar in daytona beach and they immediately hit it off and were soon living together and their relationship was very intense and they were rarely ever apart but thai later said she wasn't comfortable with eileen making money as a sex worker but that's all eileen wanted to do so she convinced ty to quit her
job as a Maid and let her take care of them ty looked tough but she was actually a pretty codependent person she spent her days drinking beer relaxing by motel pools and watching tv while eileen went out to make money they rented motel rooms by the week crashed with friends or slept in old barns or camped out in the woods even they Hung out at the last resort bar a ton and sometimes slept on the old car seat in the bar even though they never stayed in one place for too long eileen felt like she
had found real stability with tai she viewed them as bonnie and clyde type characters and her favorite thing to do was drink beer and shoot guns in the woods with tai eileen dreamed of living off the grid just the two of Them and bought books on being a survivalist she started referring to tai as her wife and actually gave her a diamond ring to wear as a wedding band but the honeymoon didn't last eileen was jealous and possessive and she could fly off the handle for the smallest reasons sometimes she started fights with complete strangers
or acquaintances for no reason and when her outburst turned violent she Terrified tai who just didn't know how to handle eileen's rages but if the police were ever involved she'd come forward as a witness and say eileen was acting in self-defense but eileen just kept getting in trouble with the law and on the 4th of july 1987 they were taken into custody under the aliases tina moore and susan blehovic after hitting a man in the head with a beer bottle That december susan blehovic was cited for a suspended driver's license and walking on the interstate
and for the next two months she actually sent threatening letters to the circuit court clerk signed by susan in march of 1988 she had a new alias cami marsh green who accused a bus driver of assault and she claimed he had pushed her off the bus and tai came forward as a Witness and that november susan blehovic was at it again making threatening phone calls to the supermarket every day for six days after getting into a fight about lottery tickets and at this time eileen continued hitchhiking along highways in central and northern florida to find
clients she had started talking to tai about her anger toward men And how she wanted revenge for all the times she'd been hurt and at this point she was now traveling with a loaded pistol in order to protect herself the couple was also having some financial problems and owed about 1200 to the motel that they were staying at eileen could make about 200 to 300 on a good day but tai was going out a lot and spending the money as fast as eileen could make It things took a real dark turn on november 30th 1989
when eileen came home that night in a stolen cadillac she got drunk with ty and while watching tv she confessed that she had shot and killed a man earlier that night a man had picked her up in his cadillac they bought beer and he offered her vodka and marijuana they then drove into the Woods and fell asleep she woke up first though got out her 22 pistol and woke the man up and at that point she robbed him at gunpoint and then fired three shots she then dumped his body in a wooded area along i-75
which is a busy tourist route in volusia county eileen took ty out to the parking lot in order to show her the 1977 cadillac coupe de ville and other things she had stolen from This man ty didn't want to know anything else she was afraid if she knew too many details she'd feel like she'd have to turn eileen in eileen sora was a fluke and now yeah i'm never going to kill anybody again but over the next year she continued to come home and stolen cars with random items to use or pawn on december 1st
1989 a deputy found the first Lead in what would become a multi-county murder investigation he discovered an abandoned 1977 cadillac near daytona beach in volusia county this car belonged to richard mallory a 51 year old owner of an electronics repair shop in clearwater florida he was a shady guy he had been divorced five times and spent five years in an institution for sex offenders and he often closed the shop And took off for days to drink party at topless bars and pick up women he was also paranoid often firing all his employees at once and
changing his locks eight times in three years in early december 1989 he didn't show up to open the shop like normal and the employees just went home assuming he'd come back or that maybe they were just all fired but Because of that he was never reported missing the day after the car was discovered richard's wallet several condoms and a half empty bottle of vodka were found nearby on december 13th two young men were out looking for scrap metal along i-95 and found a dead body wrapped in a carpet it was actually several miles from where
the cadillac had been abandoned so these young men called the police and Investigators took fingerprints from the badly decomposed body but they were able to identify it as richard mallory and they were able to determine that he had been shot three times with a 22 caliber gun the few leads the cops had didn't pan out and the case quickly went cold and they didn't realize at the time that this was just the beginning of the murder spree on may 5th 1990 Another body was discovered just over the florida state line in brooks county georgia the
unidentified male was shot twice with a 22 gun authorities in georgia had no idea such a similar murder had recently happened in florida on june 1st 1990 a land surveyor came upon the naked body of david spears in the woods of citrus county florida he had been shot six times with the same 22 caliber firearm a condom was also found nearby his body david was a 43 year old heavy equipment operator who was last seen leaving work in sarasota florida on may 19th and he was driving to visit his ex-wife in orlando but never made
it there his truck was found abandoned on may 25th on i-75 with the doors locked and license plate missing on june 6 30 miles away in pasco county off i-75 Another naked male body was found but this body was so decomposed they couldn't get fingerprints or even estimate a time of death this body was eventually identified as 40 year old charles karskadin a part-time rodeo worker and he had been shot nine times in the chest and stomach with a 22 caliber gun he had actually been missing since may 31st and was last seen somewhere along
i-75 driving to tampa to see his fiancee The day after finding his body his car was found in marion county along with a 45 automatic weapon and a few other things that have been stolen a detective in pasco county noticed similarities between this murder and the david spears case from citrus county so he decided to contact detectives there but they decided that there wasn't enough evidence to officially link the cases and definitely not enough to sound The alarm about a potential serial killer but what they did notice is that there is definitely a pattern all
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Her arm was bleeding and she was angrily swearing at a smaller brown-haired woman when rhonda came over to help the blonde woman begged her not to call the police she said her father lived just up the road and so they got back in the car and tried to drive it away but the car stalled almost immediately the women got out and then just took off and fled the scene but they were stopped by a volunteer fireman Who asked if they had been in a car accident that had been reported the blonde woman said no and
actually swore at him and she screamed that they didn't want his help the car was a 1988 pontiac sunbird and there were blood stains all over the inside and the license plate was missing police lifted a bloody palm print from the inside door handle and got detailed descriptions of the two Women from multiple witnesses a search of the car's vin confirmed that it indeed belonged to missing peter seams the detective on the case distributed sketches of the women to law enforcement across the state and sent her descriptions to agencies nationwide another man was reported missing
on july 31st troy burris who was a 50 year old delivery driver last seen leaving Gilchrist sausage which was a sausage factory in akala he missed his last few stops and never returned from his normal delivery rounds at 2 am his wife reported him missing and sheriff's deputies found his abandoned delivery truck off of highway 19 a few hours later the truck was unlocked and the keys were gone the search for troy ended on august 4th though a family was Out on a picnic and they found his body in a wooded area in marion county
about eight miles from where his truck had been found what's interesting is that his credit card some business receipts a clipboard in an empty cash bag were found nearby but because his body was severely decomposed from the florida heat he was only identified by his wife from his wedding ring the medical Examiner was also able to determine that his cause of death was two gunshots to the back and chest with a 22 caliber gun in september investigators from three counties got together to compare similarities in the cases of david spears found in citrus county charles
karskaden found in pasco county and troy burris found in marion county all three men were found shot to death with a 22 Gun and left in a wooded area they were also all known to be traveling alone and it was at this moment that the detectives now realize that the reality was was that they were facing or dealing with a serial killer on september 11 1990 just five days after the detectives from the three counties met fifty-six-year-old dick humphreys was reported missing by his wife Dick was a retired air force major and former alabama police
chief he was currently working for the florida department of health and rehabilitative services as a protective investigator specializing in abused and injured children and september 11th was his last day before transferring to the department's ocala office but he never made it home his fully clothed body was found on September 12th in an undeveloped subdivision in marion county and what was odd is that his pockets were turned inside out he was also shot seven times in the head and torso six 22 caliber slugs were found in his body and the seventh went through his wrist and
was never found dick and his wife had celebrated their 35th wedding anniversary in september 10th And his car was found about a week later behind a closed down gas station in live oak florida which is roughly about 100 miles from marion county and again the vehicle's license plate was missing and it wasn't actually traced back to him until october 13th but that same day his badge and other belongings were discovered in lake county about 70 miles from where his Body was found with his background in law enforcement and a distinguished career dick's case was a
high priority detectives formed a task force operating out of ocala the largest city in marion county in order to investigate these recent deaths it was coordinated by marion county sheriff's investigator sergeant bruce munster and bruce believed that because the Victims were shot mainly in the body and not the head they were looking for a woman's serial killer they claimed that a man was just more likely to aim for the head because that only needed one shot captain steve beniger commander of marion county sheriff's criminal investigation division and part of the task force agreed that you
know what we are looking for A woman suspect but he took it a step further and actually linked the cases to the two women who crashed peter seems car on the fourth of july and before they could make much headway on their theory another body was found on november 19th the body of 62 year old walter antonio was discovered in the woods near a remote logging road in dixie county walter was a truck driver from merritt island who also worked as a security Guard and reserve police officer for brevard county he was also found fully
nude except for a pair of socks and he had been shot four times with a 22 gun three times in the back and once in the head he had been dead less than 24 hours and his clothes were found in a wooded area in neighboring taylor county five days later his car was discovered across the state in brevard county His badge night stick handcuffs flashlight and a gold ring were all missing though but by now the media had put the pieces together and reported on the connections between all these deaths sergeant bruce munster and captain
steve binninger agreed that it was time to go public with their theory they wanted to warn people that it was dangerous to pick up a female hitchhiker or sex worker Or even a stop to help a woman in distress and with several of the victims there is no evidence of sexual activity but then on november 30th they released the composite sketches of the two women suspects based on descriptions of the crash from witnesses as well as a warning to beware of women asking for help on the side of the highway newspapers across the state reported
on the story And the dominant blonde woman was quickly named the damsel of death over the next three weeks investigators received hundreds of tips and before long they figured out that the women were traveling as a couple as susan blehovic and tyrea moore so they were able to track their movements across the state through motel receipts they also found a criminal record for Susan blehovic but nothing substantial for tyria just one dropped breaking and entering charge from 1983. they also discovered that blehovic had another alias cami marsh green but there was no criminal record under
that name volusia county officers discovered that cammy had actually pawned a camera and radar detector that belonged to Richard mallory in daytona beach on december 6. she was required to leave a thumbprint on the receipt when they did a computer search of the thumbprint using the automated fingerprint identification system they found nothing but fingerprint expert jenny hearn went in person to volusia county to meticulously search fingerprint records by hand And guess what her hard work paid off cammy's print was matched to laurie grody who had an outstanding warrant for a weapons charge it also matched
the bloody print found inside peter seems car after the crash the task force sent all these records to the national crime information center and got hits from florida michigan and colorado susan blehovic cammie marsh Green and laurie grody were all the same women and the actual woman was eileen carroll warnos after the composite sketches were made public ty knew the police were closing in the police were looking for two women suspected of murder and the sketches looked just like them it's never been really clear exactly how much tai knew but at this point she knew
enough to Leave town and when she came back from a thanksgiving trip with family she packed her things gave eileen her wedding band and moved back to pennsylvania with no other explanation this obviously devastated eileen and it wasn't long before she was more or less homeless spending most of her time drinking all day in bars she actually took the wedding band And pawned it for 20 bucks after spending the night on the old car seat at the last resort bar she woke up and immediately started drinking again that afternoon january 9th two men she met
the night before named bucket and drums stopped by bucket and drums that must have been the covers they had knowing that they were going to go ask for you know Prostitution hi i'm bucket hi i'm drums i don't know why it makes me think of kfc yeah seriously what the [ __ ] it's like a kfc commercial right yeah the hell but all of them got together and drank and talked and they offered her a motel room where she could shower and sleep so she agreed and followed them out to the parking lot where she
was immediately surrounded by men in suits And that's when she was arrested on the outstanding warrant for laurie grody and taken into police custody so it was just a sting after all i mean that seems like pretty obvious that's such weird names for like undercover cops to go by if they're doing a prostitution sting i feel like definitely it's a bit too obvious yeah it's like she wasn't like suspicious now Like uh bucket and drums what a [ __ ] name is that for real though but this plan was put into motion starting on january
5th 1991. officers mike joyner and dick martin went undercover as bucket and drums small-time drug dealers from georgia drug dealers selling meth covered kfc but after days of searching they finally Spotted eileen at a bar on january 8th she was almost arrested twice that night by other officers which would have derailed the undercover mission but they were called off just in time mike and dick as bucket and drums started talking to eileen and bought her a few beers they talked for a while and she decided you know it's time to leave it was around 10
o'clock they offered her a ride but she declined She then walked to the last resort bar where bucket and drums just happened to run into her later that night they then bought her more drinks and hung out for a while but then they left after midnight and she spent the night at the bar the next day january 9 1991 the undercover officers went back to the bar equipped with transmitters to keep the task force up to date in real time the arrest was planned for That night but the bar was hosting a huge biker barbecue
and soon it would be crowded with bikers so they made the last minute decision to just arrest eileen on the spot and she was arrested as lori grody and the police didn't mention the murders or alert the media at all because they needed more time to build their case and to find tie more the next day they tracked tai to her sister's home In pennsylvania and she was taken into police custody and brought back to florida the following day she admitted to knowing about the murder of richard mallory but she said she only had suspicions
about the others so they made a deal with her if she could get eileen to confess and agree to testify against her she wouldn't be charged with anything they said they'd give her full immunity as a state's witness The police then put her up in a motel and gave her a constant supply of budweiser and hamburgers and that's when they recorded 10 phone calls between her and eileen over four days on january 14th she made the first call to eileen in jail ty said the police suspected her of the murders eileen reassured her that the
cops didn't know anything and all this time they were talking in code she Was soothing and loving and while ty sounded genuinely panicked one of these recorded calls led investigators to a storage unit in daytona beach rented by eileen she had the key on her when she was arrested so they were able to open it and inside they found clothing jewelry watches toolboxes and suitcases belonging to the victims several items were identified by steven Seams peterseem's son including the missing license plate a shaving kit jackets a suitcase and a pair of scissors during the last
call tai finally convinced eileen that the police were after her and she would go down for the murders if eileen didn't do something so eileen agreed to confess in order to save tai so here's a clip of that phone call I'm gonna have to because i'm gonna go to jail for something that you did this isn't fair my family has a nervous wreck up there my mom has been calling me all the time she doesn't know what the hell is going on okay she's gotta do okay all righty i have to confess everything just to
keep you from getting it okay don't worry okay okay i love you no don't do it now get it over with And then on the morning of january 16th eileen told the police she was ready to talk and she gave a taped confession all in all she admitted to killing six men but all in self-defense richard mallory david spears charles curse goddan troy burris dick humphreys and walter antonio however she denied any involvement with the john doe from georgia and disappearance of peter seams she Said tai wasn't involved at all and didn't know anything about
what she had been doing once the media found out about the confession the story just blew up making headlines across the country it was murder with a feminine touch people couldn't get enough at the time of her arrest the fbi had no profile for a woman's serial killer women had killed multiple people before but she was the first to fit the profile Of a male serial killer meaning killing more than three people that she didn't know and who didn't know each other as well as letting time pass between each murder under this definition she was
called america's first woman serial killer and she was studied by criminologists the family and friends of her victims saw her as a monster others viewed her as a feminist icon Rebelling against male oppression and violence and openly defying authority and this view continues to this day for many offers for book and movie deals also started pouring in immediately everyone wanted the rights to eileen's story she initially thought she could make money not realizing there was a law against profiting from a crime she Committed but soon the story took a very strange turn arlene prolly was
a 44 year old born-again christian who ran a 35-acre horse ranch with her husband robert in tennessee and when she saw eileen's picture in the newspaper she said she saw something in her eyes and was compelled by god to contact her in fact i'll play a little clip of Arlene actually talking about how she found and contacted eileen i read about her in the newspaper i saw her pictures in the paper and my dad was in the hospital with a heart attack and my husband and i had nothing to do but read papers and so
we read the papers on her and as soon as we saw the pictures in the paper her eyes i mean i read people's eyes and I just knew she was not capable of being a serial killer and doing what they said so we prayed for two and a half weeks and finally at the end of two and a half weeks we reached out to her arlene actually sent eileen a letter which ended up leading to a phone call they had an instant connection and arlene said their relationship was soul binding And they started talking nearly
every day in fact arlene actually ran up a 4 dollar phone bill but in november 1991 arlene and robert legally adopted eileen wuernos arlene started talking to the media on eileen's behalf including talk shows and tabloids she wanted the world to know that eileen who she called lee Was a good person with a good heart she showed off her artwork and read her poetry at the time eileen didn't know that her new adopted mother was getting paid for these interviews but the first case to go to trial was for the murder of richard mallory eileen
was charged with first-degree murder armed robbery with a deadly weapon and possession of a firearm by a Convicted felon eileen was represented by public defenders trisha jenkins and billy nolas who negotiated a plea bargain eileen agreed to plead guilty to six charges of murder and would receive six consecutive life sentences this also took the death penalty off of the table but the district attorney wanted to put her to death and rejected the plea the judge came out of retirement too Just to try the case of eileen awareness and make sure she got the punishment she
deserved on january 13 1992 the trial for the murder of richard mallory began the courtroom was packed with reporters and people who wanted a glimpse of the country's first female serial killer and the biggest mystery of the case wasn't if she was guilty but if she would get the death penalty Prosecutors focused mainly on her taped confession and argued for the death penalty because the murder was committed during a robbery the defense tried to get the confessions tape thrown out because eileen had been manipulated by law enforcement they argued that she confessed in order to
save tai not because she was guilty however this request was denied and the jury was shown clips of the Confession she had said she acted in self-defense more than 60 times but none of these clips were shown to the jury under the williams rule in the state of florida the prosecution introduced evidence from the other murders even though they hadn't gone to trial yet and this allowed them to show a pattern of cold-blooded murders establishing her as a serial killer and made the jury Highly skeptical of the self-defense argument prosecutors also introduced physical evidence linking
her to those crime scenes this included her bloody palm print a cigarette found in a victim's car and pawn shop receipts from items stolen from the victims they also called more than 312 witnesses and it didn't help that the medical examiner for richard mallory's case Testified that he had taken between 10 to 20 minutes to die and that it had been an excruciating death the prosecution the star witness was none other than tai moore she talked about eileen's confession to her that she had killed a man and said she didn't seem upset or remorseful about
it at all and as you can probably imagine this was extremely difficult for eileen to listen to i mean here the person that was closest To her basically turn on her and throw her under the bus was very very difficult eileen was basically in tears during it the defense called just one witness though eileen herself her attorneys advised her against testifying but she was insistent that she wanted to speak for herself over time her story had changed multiple times depending on who she was talking to The version she told in court was very different from
her initial confession to the police in court she described the attack and rape by richard mallory in horrifying graphic detail she said that he violently raped her he choked her tied her to his steering wheel threaten to kill her and then use rubbing alcohol from a visine bottle to increase her pain during the sexual torture When he untied her and told her to lie down she was sure he was going to kill her and she even remembers him saying you're dead [ __ ] you're dead so eileen spit in his eye and while he was
turned away she grabbed her gun out of her bag and after a brief struggle she managed to shoot him twice but she said he kept coming after her so he shot him two more times During the cross-examination the prosecutor picked her story apart and she got very angry and defensive multiple times her attorneys had to keep telling her to stop answering questions eileen ended up pleading the fifth 25 times in order to avoid incriminating herself public defender billy nolas later said he believed eileen had borderline personality disorder developed after Severe neglect and emotional abuse from
her childhood but the defense didn't call any witnesses to corroborate this which is crazy because clearly she has mental illness issues issues from her past that are very deeply rooted and would have been helpful to have you know a psychiatrist or somebody a mental health professional to testify on her behalf for sure Multiple witnesses had come forward and volunteered information that would have helped eileen's case but none of them were called by the defense after closing arguments the jury deliberated for just 90 minutes and on january 27th they found eileen wuernos guilty on all counts
including first degree murder then the penalty phase began the next day in florida jurors hear arguments from both sides Again before recommending a punishment which is ultimately decided by the judge during the post-trial proceedings the defense tried to introduce evidence about rich or mallory's past in 1957 he broke into a woman's home in maryland and violently attacked and tried to rape her and he actually went with an insanity defense and spent 10 years in a prison mental institution detectives on the case denied any Evidence existed that suggested richard was capable of the violent sexual crimes
eileen described but his criminal record wasn't buried or hidden a simple search would have uncovered it the media had even reported on it back in november a month before the trial began but the judge refused to allow this new evidence to be discussed the defense was allowed to introduce new Information about eileen's background her difficult childhood and all the abuse she had suffered and luckily in the post-trial proceedings three psychologists testified that she did in fact have borderline personality disorder extreme mental or emotional disturbance and even brain damage and the fact that her story had
changed multiple times was symptom of her mental illness Not that she was lying and her iq of 81 was low enough to prevent the state from putting her to death prosecutors called eileen's aunt and uncle laurie grody and barry warnos to testify that they had a normal childhood that wasn't abusive of course barry said that his father was tough but he also said that eileen was never beaten or molested like she claimed the only physical punishment he ever Witnessed was her being spanked the jury sided with the prosecution again however and voted 12-0 for the
death penalty and on january 31st 1992 she was officially sentenced to death many people argued that eileen deserved a re-trial it wasn't fair that evidence of murder she wasn't convicted of yet could be used against her but proof that the man she killed had a history of sexual violence Was omitted her defense team failed to thoroughly research the case and didn't call any witnesses besides eileen she also seemed to be delusional she really thought the case would be overturned and she would move into a cottage on her new mother's property where they would raise horses
and she wolves together but after the trial three law enforcement agents involved in the case including steve Vinegar and bruce munster from the original task force announced that they were making a deal with an entertainment company to tell the whole story and after a ton of backlash from the public the deal was called off the following week and it turned out that they had hired lawyers within weeks of eileen's arrest to help them negotiate These deals two of the officers were transferred and one resigned as a result ty moore made multiple book and movie deals
in order to sell her story there was a rumor that the officers deal with tai was for immunity and to get them in on the movie deal some believe the officers even started negotiating contracts for these deals before eileen was ever arrested which is crazy when sergeant Brian jarvis found out that other cops were involved in all this he was taken off the case harassed by fellow officers and demoted back to the patrol division all within a month he also found a threatening note on his door and someone broke into his house to steal files
related to the case investigators blamed the break-in on the media and then accused brian of staging it himself And brian would go on to eventually resign from the police force which is crazy this whole whole eileen case completely ruined his life because people were trying to make money off of her story there was an investigation into these officers but nothing ever came of it and the whole thing just went away quietly of course before we get into the end of the story though i'm going to take one more ad Break and we'll be right back
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go to the post office again so after this first trial was over In behind them arlene hired a new lawyer for eileen a guy named steve steve was a musician a former hippie with a law degree who advertised himself as doctor legal in fact there's a funny dr legal ad clip we'll play a little bit of that for you most of us would probably never worry about spending time in jail but if you are ever involved in the criminal justice system you will need a Lawyer who can explain the system to you but dr legal
ignored the controversy over the police being involved in movie deals which could have been used to get her new trial and had eileen plead no contest or guilty to the other murder charges arlene wanted her to plead guilty so she could be forgiven by god and steve blaser was told that eileen had borderline personality disorder and Actually ignored that too he was either inexperienced or just completely in over his head or he was just in it for the money which he denies but together with arlene they negotiated interview fees for eileen and took most of
the money for themselves meanwhile eileen was being sent from county to county to be sentenced for all of the murders eileen was very angry about being used By politicians and all the people who just wanted to make money off her story to the public and to all the people in the world and to the news personnel that have been working on this these trials and these cases for the past 16 months that had stated defamations and mendacious lies of 98.6 magazines and news articles to uh probably paid off by the cops to vile my character
make me look like monster and Deranged or something like a jeff dahmer which i'm not honestly i don't blame eileen i mean it's honestly [ __ ] that everybody else is profiting off of her you know her cases she's she's on death row and she's having to stand trial for murder and then she has all these dumb [ __ ] that are her legal team that are just trying to take advantage of her trying to make a Buck yeah i mean i would be pissed too so yeah i don't blame her at all for being
so angry with everybody but during her sentencing hearings prosecutors made constant comments about her being a lesbian even though she never considered herself one they were using society's fear and hatred for gay people to make sure she got the harshest possible sentence they also used the Fact that she was a sex worker against her they took advantage of society's stigma against sex work and the belief that her high-risk lifestyle made whatever happened to her her own fault which this whole this whole stigma goes on today like in nearly every state in the entire country i
feel like but especially in the south i feel like they have a bigger much bigger problem With that than in some of the other states but in similar cases involving male suspects the death penalty is often never brought up as a possibility and high profile male serial killers also get better representation in court ted bundy had offers from multiple prestigious private criminal defense attorneys to represent him pro bono his defense team even included a volunteer consultant on Jury selection however eileen was never offered any free legal help even though her supporters advocated on her behalf
everyone from politicians to the christian right had campaigned for her execution and in march 1992 she pled guilty to the murders of troy burris dick humphries and david spears and as a result of the convictions she received three more death sentences and she did not react well to the news I know i was raped nothing but a bunch of scum therefore these proceedings are now putting somebody who is right in june 1992 she pled guilty to the murder of charles karskadin and received a fifth death sentence in february 1993 she pled guilty to the murder
of walter antonio and then got another death sentence at some point eileen agreed to take investigators to the spot where she dumped peter seam's Body in south carolina and when nothing was found officers believed she had taken them on a wild goose chase just to get a vacation from jail his body has never been found and no one has ever been charged for his murder and for a while eileen didn't know that her adopted mother and lawyer were getting paid for these interviews a documentary filmmaker named nick Broomfield interviewed eileen many times and actually made
documentary films on her at one point arlene and steve quoted him a twenty five thousand dollar fee for an interview with eileen and he was able to negotiate that fee down to ten thousand dollars and after he paid the money he had a hard time scheduling the interview and confronted arlene about it and by this time eileen had figured out That you know she was just being used to make money she said they manipulated her into pleading no contest in the other cases arlene made her feel guilty about putting her new mother through more trials
and convinced her that the movie deals would fall apart if she just pled guilty or no contest eileen also claimed that arlene and steve tried to get her to kill herself in jail so she now knew For sure they weren't on her side according to eileen's former public defender trisha jenkins steve never picked up the discovery files from the trial he also told her that he had only taken her case for the media exposure dr legal what a scammer man right the people were supposed to care about eileen always seemed to just use her for
what they could get for Themselves so many people had cashed in on selling her story she even suspected that tai was using her for money all along and after losing many of her regular clients she claimed ty convinced her to go back to getting picked up by strangers to keep making money and eileen believed that this decision was what led to the murders but she still missed high And loved her she took responsibility for the murders and expressed remorse for everything she did still she never viewed herself as a victim or blamed anyone else for
the circumstances her anger was pretty much concentrated on the police officers and politicians that she believed were corrupt at the time jeb bush was florida's governor and running for reelection on a law and Order ticket he used eileen's case to get a bump in the polls right before the election she did have one friend left though her best friend from michigan don botkins and she wrote to her every morning at 5. she held on to eileen's childhood mementos family pictures a copy of her will and her intricate ink drawings that she liked to show off
After multiple death sentences eileen kept insisting that she had killed in self-defense claiming the two of the men had raped her and three of them had tried to she said that she never provoked the men in any way eileen ended up getting a new attorney for her appeals joe hobson he believed she had been failed by the system since she was a child and now she is being failed by the legal System and her lawyers he wanted to get her a retrial based on her previous defense attorney's inadequate representation her appeal to the u.s supreme
court however was denied in 1996 and after that eileen started fighting to be executed she was tired of people using her for money and political gain and in 2001 she petitioned the florida supreme court to allow her to stop All pending appeals and fire her legal counsel she was ready to admit that she had robbed and murdered all her victims in cold blood and denounced any claims about self-defense she was just ready to go witnesses were called to the final hearing and all put up in a hotel together among them were steve glaser nick broomfield
and don watkins eileen rejected her own witnesses and Said they were all lying but they were called anyway nick was asked mainly about steve's legal representation of eileen including his alleged drug use at the time and receiving interview fees now there's actually like a clip in this documentary that nick broomfield made called selling of a serial killer where he actually films dr legal steve glazer Smoking i think it was like nine joints seven or nine joints on the way to the prison oh damn to be her like legal representation like he didn't give him a
[ __ ] wow he literally got high as [ __ ] i was like to go deal with like he didn't care it was clearly basically proving that this is just about money for him right He wasn't going to [ __ ] about no he wasn't trying to be a good lawyer yeah he was just getting high in the car and then and then he actually a prosecutor brought it back up in court at some point and he was like it was pretty funny because you're like did you smoke like seven joints on the way
to the prison he's like no sir your eyes were red as stop signs yeah this guy's clearly [ __ ] Wow yeah you can never trust somebody who goes by dr legal no and in court they showed a bunch of these clips from his documentary he did and basically exposed dr legal to the entire courtroom the jury the judge and everything to prove that you know everybody was really profiting off of eileen's case and that she did not get fair representation or adequate help With her case it was just it's honestly mind-blowing that this all
went down the way that it did because things might have turned out a little bit differently for eileen if she had had a competent lawyer that wasn't high off his ass you know during his legal uh sessions with her but a childhood acquaintance named danny cornwall testified that Eileen started trading [ __ ] for cigarettes at nine years old ugh crazy that's so young i know just from like birth it's she was just already doing all the dirty [ __ ] it's like crazy i mean she she kind of had to just to survive she
was like in survival mode and that's how she survived another man named jerry moss said when they were kids he only treated eileen nicely when they were alone If anyone else was around he threw rocks at her and yelled at her to go home dawn described how she saw eileen's grandfather whipping her with his belt while she leaned over a chair he beat her for five straight minutes knowing that don was watching but in the end the death sentence was upheld and all the witnesses were sent home eileen stuck to her new story she said
that she Selected her victims robbed them and killed them in order to eliminate the witnesses and she knew they were going to die the second she got into their cars and that none of it was self-defense she sits down with nick in in the documentary and tells him it gives this kind of final confession that i i did this because you know hey these guys were [ __ ] And they raped me and tried to or tried to rape me and beat me and that's partly why i killed them but it really came down to
robbery for eileen like eileen wasn't a killer who kills for thrill it wasn't a thrill killer she was a killer because she needed the money she was robbing them essentially and you you know kill the only witness there is then you might get off with the robbery so That's that's why she ultimately killed these men yeah desperate for money because they were she was homeless basically the whole time yeah i mean she was just trying to like get by yeah pay her bills and stay alive and feed herself and everybody like everybody else was just
taking advantage of her and she had to do all this dirty illegal work in order to just to survive out there Yep and the other reason for kind of coming forward at the end is she you know once the death sentence is stuck she knew that no matter what i'm going to be executed and you know probably soon so she really really seems like she got you know into christianity and kind of reconnect with her faith towards the end and she's she's quote us saying i don't want to go into the Execution chamber as a
liar i want to you know confess everything and put it all out there of exactly what happened before i die and that's exactly what she did while she was in prison they even used radio waves and beamed him into her cell in order to control her mind and while in prison eileen just mainly kept to herself rarely left her cell she'd read her Bible watch tv wrote to dawn and just really prepared for death she also cried a lot to make sure she didn't cry in the execution chamber because she said she wanted to get
it all out in early september 2002 governor jeb bush signed eileen's death warrant her execution was scheduled for october 9th on september 30th 2002 the governor granted a stay of execution for eileen based on concerns From one of her ex-lawyers he ordered a mental examination to determine her competency but insisted that as soon as she was given all clear she'd be put to death three psychiatrists interviewed eileen for 15 to 30 minutes and determined she was competent so the execution was back on eileen passed on doing a press conference and asked nick broomfield to conduct
her Last interview she didn't want to talk about whether she was guilty or not or about her cases she just wanted to talk about police corruption and how they had used her and set her up she also talked about the sonic pressure torture how they tried to make her look crazy and why she had to wash her food to avoid being poisoned she said she wasn't ready to die and That quote god jesus christ and all the angels would be there with her she had done the right thing and saved other people from being hurt
by the men she killed so she knew she was going to a better place nick tried to ask her again if she had killed her victims in cold blood or in self-defense and the atone immediately changed she said that she shot her johns if she ran Into trouble or when physical trouble came along which sounds like the other ways of saying self-defense but eileen got angry as she explained how people used her to get rich and get re-elected she said she didn't get it a fair investigation or trial and seemed to admit self-defense again when
she called herself a raped woman all she cared about was giving Information to investigate the corrupt police and politicians and she didn't want to say anything about herself or her story she ended up cutting the interview short with nick just after 35 minutes and nick wondered how she was able to pass the competency evaluation eileen had her last meal with dawn the night before her execution and with her 20 dollar budget she had kentucky fried chicken And french fries that's so ironic that the cops that like arrested her bucket and drums yeah hurt she that's
so weird i wonder if that was on purpose because they like knew she like kfc or something i don't know it's weird that her last meal was kfc yeah and that's we were thinking that earlier just [ __ ] what the [ __ ] that's so weird But after her last meal don told nick that eileen was sorry for how the last interview went she was afraid that if she said anymore she wouldn't be executed the next morning eileen was woken up at 5 30 am she passed on a meal and just had coffee she
seemed calm and wasn't talkative at all that priest came to her room so she could confess her sins but she sent him away Instead she knelt down in her cell and prayed for her victims by herself she worried that they might be too evil to be accepted by god the lethal injection was administered at 9 30 a.m in front of 32 witnesses and she was pronounced dead at 9 47. eileen was 46 years old and i heard lethal injection is still a painful way to die yeah i mean administered at 9 30 that's 17 minutes
of death of dying and Excruciating pain right internal pain yeah it's running through all your veins and everything like yeah i've heard the same thing that it's absolutely a horrible horrible death that's why they stopped it in many states oh yeah the use of lethal injection according to one news reporter though who witnessed execution eileen had turned to look at them just Before the injection and she made a bizarre face smiled faintly and then turned away she closed her eyes and her head jerked backward her mouth dropped open and her eyes opened slightly and then
she was gone eileen had been allowed to make a final statement with no time limit but she only talked for about 30 seconds she said quote I'd just like to say i'm sailing with the rock and i'll be back like independence day with jesus june 6 like the movie big mothership and all i'll be back that was her final words she was the second woman to be executed in florida since it was reinstated in 1976. she was preceded only by judy bonagno who died in the electric chair in march 1998. Eileen was reportedly relieved that
florida no longer used electric chair shortly before her death nick broomfield interviewed diane juanos her biological mother she believed eileen had suffered a brain injury during her birth she had a frank breech birth meaning the baby comes through the birth canal bottom first with the legs up by the head it's a dangerous position can lead to a Lack of oxygen or asphyxiation diane claimed she had no idea that eileen had such a hard life after she abandoned her and told nick to ask her daughter for forgiveness when nick told eileen apparently she was super angry
at the very mention of her mother's name she said she didn't consider her family at that point and refused to forgive her don bockkins was in charge of eileen's funeral arrangements and she wanted to Be cremated with her bible and brought to don's house in michigan to be around the people who love her she had a special request for her wake she had spent hours listening to the album tiger lily by natalie merchant while in death row and she won the song carnival to be played at her service ty moore after all this has stayed
out of the public spotlight is likely just living in pennsylvania And living a normal life after all this went down but that is basically the the end of the story of eileen wernos america's first female serial killer absolutely crazy life i mean talk about a rough rough go yeah in this life like my god i think it is possible that eileen suffered from a brain injury totally just because she was doing so many things at such a young age that Kind of shows she was far gone quickly yeah i mean clearly she lost herself quickly
yeah yeah and i mean she never really had any support from the beginning i mean her parents were horrible to her everybody was horrible to her yeah and you're i mean imagine growing up in that environment where it's abusive you have nobody you can trust and you're Just sort of thrown out into the world to just survive especially you know and i mean there's no question that a woman is going to have a much tougher time out there than a man would have yeah and you know especially dealing with creepy men trying to you know
do things to you and things like that i mean right i get why she did what she did i totally understand she did what she thought she had to do In order to survive and honestly a lot of it's really not her fault i mean obviously she's responsible for killing killing the people that she did but you know a lot of the things that happened to her and you know caused her to go in that direction really weren't her fault she just had to adapt to this life that she was you know put into yeah
and i mean what else do you do in that situation i mean Well you know she relied on crime to make a living right i mean you guess you could say it's survival at that point you know until you're in that position you you i guess can really never know what it's like to do what you got to do to survive so that i think that's all eileen was doing but you know some really bad things yeah it came with bad decisions for sure she made some very bad Decisions and got the wrong people you
know around her and that didn't help at all but ultimately i think when it came i think absolutely when it comes to her trial and her punishment i think she just got i mean the hammers brought down on her the fact that i mean there's so many serial killers that are way worse right that are serving life sentences yeah In prison and they're still alive and yet she was given death sentence after death sentence after death sentence because a she was a woman and b you know they portrayed her as like this lesbian you know
woman and and here's here's my thought too is that i think if she had been you know maybe uh more attractive woman or she was uh you know kind of like imagine Her being like this bombshell girl who committed these crimes would she have gotten a lesser sentence you know that was straight and just fighting off you know i was fighting off men that were trying to have sex with me or whatever i think even in that scenario you know she would have gotten different treatment but the fact that she looked you know not only
was she a woman but she also Maybe looked like a stereotypical lesbian to many of these people and and homeless as well like yeah right kind of like a a scrub yeah or something like that you know and a sex worker and yeah there's other things involved in all this crime just kind of just like oh she's scum of the earth right let's just get her get her out of here yeah and so they just definitely so hard on her and it seems like the Gender equality even in the 90s and early 2000s is nothing
like it is today oh no so i think like you were saying too part of it hurt being a lesbian and you know just a lot of places a lot of that played into that yeah they wanted to like she was the example you know they're like we're going to make an example Right but it was totally unfair and she got screwed over and her legal counsel she got completely taken she did get taken advantage of and her case was sold and interview footage was sold documentaries were made you know that profited off of her
and she was left with nothing she got used and abused right and killed for it basically yeah and i totally understand You know the punishments for the crimes you know you got to do the time for the crime yeah like in her case she didn't i i don't think she necessarily deserved the death sentence i think maybe i think life in prison would have been more than enough for her and honestly the fair and just punishment in this case uh-huh well when you compare her to people like gary ridgeway And ted bundy and these other
horrific serial killers she really can't compete with them and the fact that her punishment was worse it's just like what the [ __ ] yeah death sentence after death sentence after death sentence just because she she was who she was so yeah i mean it's it's just one of those it is it's it's a crazy story highly recommend you watch You know some of these documentaries that are on her and some of the footage there's tons of footage over on youtube and stuff uh other than what we included in this this episode but very very
interesting person and just life story for sure and obviously you know thoughts to the victims families and all that i mean obviously they didn't deserve to be killed for what they did But yeah i see why it all happened so definitely want to know what you think about this one and yeah is there any other evil women out there that we should cover on the show i'd be interested to hear your thoughts and suggestions on that but that is it for us today on lights out hopefully you enjoyed this episode of the podcast if you
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