hey what's going on everyone time for another talking head video and these are always powered by you guys basically I'm always looking at my inboxes and my DMs and such and I'm going what are people asking me and when I start to see a particular theme over and over and over again I say it's time to make a video so today we're gonna make a video talking about some things that you should consider about your next build we've been talking about this all year long however now that with the exception of rdna3 being launched we
have enough information to start giving you some guides on where to spend your money depending on what it is that you need from your computer [Music] the new z790 dark Kingpin motherboard from EVGA features a 14 layer PCB 21 phase vrm pcie Gen 5 Wi-Fi 6 and a host of features to unlock the full potential of Intel's new 13th gen CPU see the complete list of features of the z790 dark Kingpin motherboard from EVGA follow the link in the description below gonna be CPU GPU motherboard power supply Ram graphics card and storage and then cases
obviously you know going to be subjective based on your parts and stuff but today we're going to talk about specifically the motherboard and the CPU with some things to consider regarding your GPU now right now everyone's talking about CPUs because Intel's 13 900k or 13th gen has just launched 3900k 13700k 13600k so now that we've got information regarding 13th gen and 7000 series now for AMD which has been out for a while you can start to really determine what your build is going to be based on that platform now the reason why I also say
that you should kind of start off with your CPU platform before your GPU is that's going to sort of determine how far of a GPU can go with for instance if you're going to go with something like a mid-range CPU let's say a 12 600k or 13 600k or a 7600x if you go with a really high end like 40 90 or something on like a mid-range CPU you are more than likely going to end up bottlenecking it especially if you're running an older generation because one of the things that's really important to talk about
too not in today's video I actually got a whole couple video series coming where we do a complete used eBay type of build is going to be if you're running older Hardware how much limitation do you have before you start to just bottleneck your system specifically your graphics card where you then are leaving money on the table now let's talk about Intel and AMD for a second here because each one has its strengths and its weaknesses let's go ahead and start with Intel since its newest here Intel at the current time of filming is actually
offering a better value than AMD now we're talking specifically about Intel's 13th gen versus amd's 7000 series Intel right now is compatible with both the ddr4 and ddr5 ddr4 is extremely cheap at the moment ddr5 has come down in price quite a bit but it's still a heck of a lot more expensive than ddr4 in most use cases you're not going to notice the difference of ddr4 versus ddr5 on a gaming rig or just a general computer that's doing live streaming just kind of poking around on some photoshop maybe doing some light editing you're not
going to notice the speed increase of ddr5 but what you are going to notice is the price increase when it comes to Intel being a better value it's because of the fact that you can still run older platform components you can run it on a z690 motherboard now you give up a couple of things when it comes to z690 specifically in storage speed direct Lanes to the CPU through pcie Gen 5 ddr5 that sort of stuff but actually you can get ddr5 on z690 but you can run it on ddr4 like I've already said and
you can run an older motherboard one that's been out for a while the prices come down the manufacturing cost has come down because right now Z sets 790 boards are going to be the most expensive on the market so you can plop a 13th gen CPU into a used lightly used or just a lower tier z690 motherboard and be up and running and have all the full feature sets in terms of speed thermal velocity boost all of the tuning and stuff that you would get with various z-series motherboards all of them are going to utilize
pcie Gen 5 z690n z790 so there's no reason to worry about that all the motherboards are going to have plenty of PCI Express nvme slots so you're not really leaving a whole lot on the table when it comes to AMD however the 7000 series and am5 socket is a forward-facing platform so that means they're going to have longer compatibility into the future with future um CPUs so one of the things we have to consider if you're going to go with Intel is right now you might be compatible with previous generation platform Hardware motherboard RAM and
such forward-facing stuff in any Generations moving into the future are more than likely going to require a new motherboard because of a new socket and probably going to be ddr5 only I have a feeling that the 12th gen 13th gen overlap because they really are built on the same process node I mean it's just enhancements that have taken place from 12th June to 13th gen and they're very Layman's nutshell 7000 series is forward-facing so if you adopt 7000 series now you are going to have longer compatibility into the future regarding regarding motherboards and RAM than
you will regarding intel if you adopt 13th gen and stick with an older motherboard with ddr4 so you have to ask yourself how far into the future are you planning on keep this system most people keep their systems five years plus one of the things the trends I'm noticing a lot of the emails that I'm getting is people that are building their first system in the last seven to ten years now ten years ago we were talking about FX processors we were talking about Devil's Canyon 4790k CPUs I mean we have come a long way
in the last 10 years so anybody upgrading A system that old no matter what you choose is going to be a massive increase in performance than what you've seen in the even if you went entry-level Hardware you went like 12 600k 10 600k and compared it to anything you would have 10 years ago or seven years ago even it is going to be a massive uplifting performance now the thing about AMD is like I said they tend to keep a socket around for a lot longer Intel sometimes will give you two generations on a socket
and then they then there's a socket change whereas if we look at Zen and we look at the 1000 series through 5000 series processors we saw the same socket all the way across the board and then the motherboard compatibility would depend on the BIOS that you were running more often than not if you were going to run a newer CPU with an older motherboard a bios update would give you compatibility for the newer CPUs dropping compatibility for the older CPUs which is fine because most of the time people don't go backwards in hardware and not
to mention the older CPUs like 3000 Series 2000 series and even now 5000 series are only going to get cheaper as time goes on so that motherboard and that ddr5 is going to last you a lot farther into the future so if you're considering Intel and you can afford it you might want to consider ddr5 Ram an IND ddr5 motherboard that way in the future if you wanted to upgrade the system and carry any of those components with you at least you could take the ram AMD side you're more than likely to be able to
take the motherboard and the Ram with you so keep that in mind how big of a CPU do you need though I mean right now when it comes to all the benchmarks and stuff all the brands like Intel AMD Nvidia and rdna3 when it comes out obviously these these Brands love to start at the top they really like to flex all of their processing muscle because that's where they they can claim victory on being who's got the world's fastest or world's biggest etc etc that's really going to depend on what your use case is for
the most part I mean it's not been that long ago where four cores and eight threads was all anybody needed to get anything done in their life you don't need a 32 thread CPU I mean Intel's top offering and amd's top top offering right now are 32 thread CPUs if however you're looking at being able to just start broadening your horizon on things you want to Tinker with you want to start playing with virtual machines you want to set up you know virtual machines is basically where you just have just that you portion off a
piece of your Hardware to run a computer in a virtual environment alongside your current operating system that's running so you can make it look like you have multiple systems running at the same time to do that you have to obviously chop up your Hardware virtually and the more cores and the more RAM and stuff you have the more availability you have the resources for those VMS a lot of people run VMS to run things like servers and Plex servers and all that sort of stuff so if you don't have any interest in that and you're
just looking at doing general computing maybe some workloads maybe some live streaming and some video editing and such with encoding happening now on graphics cards and it's been happening that way for years but now that people are really starting to pay attention to it you don't need a 32 core or 32 thread CPU you don't you can get away with the lower tier stuff pretty much in any use case the only difference is going to be how long it takes to do a multi-threaded task for instance if you've ever actually if you're running Premiere Adobe
Premiere and you've ever actually watched your task and CPU Affinity allocation during the rendering process you'll find that it's all happening on the GPU if that's if that's the way it's set up by default in Premiere which most of the time that it is if you actually set it to any sort of CPU encoding you'll notice that usually it's only a couple cores doing things it is not a very highly multi-threaded platform in fact threads have exceeded the utilization of something like Adobe a long time ago that's one of the things that a regular Adobe
users have complained about is the fact that it does not scale well at all with Hardware so that's why encoding taking place on the GPU that's going to be more your concern when it comes to CPU so unless you're doing stuff that specifically requires a high core count and here's the thing if you work in that environment and you live in that environment you already know this video wouldn't be for you this is for the person that's looking at I'm upgrading my home PC and I want to play some games on and I haven't really
looked at this stuff in five seven ten years something like a 600 series from Intel 12 600k 11 600k 10 600k like I've said they're gonna be plenty fast plenty of course to do your job plenty of course to get your daily tasks done and more than enough to play games and such on AMD it's it's the same thing ryzen 5 or an i5 more than enough to get the job done the amount of ram that you need that's almost always a bragging Point having fast RAM and having lots of it is never a problem
unless you're having to cut back somewhere else in your budget because you want to put 128 gigs of ram in your system let's say you're running a 13 600k with 128 gigs of RAM and like a 1060 GPU that would be a pretty bad sacrifice to just say you have a lot of ram so there's a lot of balancing that needs to take place in your in your system builds motherboards is another area where manufacturers love to brag and show off motherboards have feature sets that for the most part A lot of times don't mean
squat to anybody having XYZ number of pcie Gen 5 Lanes having 52 nvme slots obviously I'm exaggerating here most people are going to run one maybe two nvme drives even pcie gen 3 and nvme right now would be like if you're running as a SATA SSD or God forbid a hard drive any nvme pcie gen 3 4 5 doesn't matter is going to give you the biggest performance uplift and usability in your system that you have ever seen if you are still watching this video and you have never experienced an SSD and I know you
exist I know you're out there comment down below I'm that guy all you need to honestly make your system feel better is just even a SATA SSD which has a max read write of 550 megabytes a second pcie gen 3 nvme over 3 000 megabytes per second pcie gen 5 almost 7 000 megabytes per second do the math on how many times faster that is versus your hard drive running on average anywhere between 80 to 100 megabytes per second ssds important in your build definitely make sure and you know what's funny two terabyte drives or
especially if you get a pcie gen 3 2 terabyte have really come down in price no reason not to have one in your build at the very least a 500 gigabyte nvme SSD in your system to run your OS and your your most commonly used programs that alone even on an old system will be the biggest Improvement you could possibly do but when it comes to when it comes to motherboards I mean let's talk about AMD for a second here you got b650 x670 and x670e so you got the extreme 670 extreme again feature sets
that most of the time aren't going to mean anything to anyone unless you're out there building the biggest baddest rig that you can to do some overclocking and just Flex muscle a B series motherboard is more than enough for just about anybody ever when it comes to amd's rig and I'm talking about previous generations as well same thing goes for Intel although right now I only have Z series motherboards because I think for the most part manufacturers and motherboard manufacturers have not done nearly as much of the B series motherboards for Intel even all the
way down to eight series which would be like the a series on on AMD which is like the entry level Bare Bones but again you don't want to go super Bare Bones on your motherboard and then put an overclocking CPU in there or something that is designed for overclocking because again features you're paying for that are just not going to be available to you on that motherboard so mid-range motherboards a b550 b650 perfectly fine when those mid-range motherboards for 13th gen start showing up or if you're going 13th gen and a 12th gen motherboard get
a 150 motherboard 200 motherboard lasts you years and will never have a problem with it save yourself some money there so you can go with a better graphics card more storage better case better power supply whatever when it comes to graphics cards nobody needs an RTX 4090 nobody even those people are like but I work in the most demanding of workstation scenarios then you need a Quattro you don't need a 40 90. it's not going to actually give you the amount of performance that you would need in those types of scenarios because that's exactly what
the Quattro cards are designed to do so if you live in that I do tons and tons of rendering and 3D graphics and stuff then you would need something a lot more powerful than a 490 to truly make your workload and your processing time fast enough that you're not sitting there waiting on on rendering 490s are bragging points 490s are just they're just flexes and we love to see all the FPS and stuff but nobody really needs more than a 60 maybe a 70 series card for NVIDIA depending on what your resolution is in your
graphics card that you choose is going to depend entirely on the resolution and games that you play so if you were to say I have a 1080p panel and all I play is CS go while running an RTX 4090 that's not gonna do you any favors whatsoever wait for the 70 series and 60 series cards to come out if you're running 1080p even 1440p getting something like a 3060 TI or something like a 6700 XT on AMD or in a 6600 XD gonna give you plenty of performance to play your games without breaking the bank
but speaking of resolution Ultra wides are starting to make a a rise in popularity for a while there there was 1080p vertical height Ultra wides 3440 by 1440 or wqhd or wide QHD is really making a jump in popularity now so if you're going to be running an ultra wide screen don't look at that 1440p number and say oh I'm running 1440p because the horizontal pixels are significantly more than a 16x9 when you go to 21x9 so you might want to step your GPU up one whole Notch if you're running an ultra wide in fact
we should start doing some Ultra wide benchmarks just so people can see what the actual performance hit is with those extra horizontal pixels the nice thing about graphics cards as long as you don't under spec your CPU and your motherboard too far you can always upgrade the graphics card later and get that uplift immediately however if you go super entry on your CPU and your in your motherboard then you're gonna be limited to how much graphics card you can put in there before you start bottlenecking it which means you paid for FPS you're not getting
period now all of this I'm mentioning in video right now is because we're still waiting for rdna3's launch coming in just about a week and a half here but then we'll know what all the details look like then we'll start to get Hands-On and testing and we'll start to be able to see what the newest gen from uh Radeon looks like but just like 40 90 I have no doubt they're going to start at the top of the stack and it will take time for those mid-range cards to come out so if you're looking at
a mid-range build or a an average like thousand to fifteen hundred dollar build you're gonna be looking at three thousand series anyway because you can't even get a 40 90 for less than about two thousand dollars at the time making this video but when it comes to picking your platform it really is going to depend on you know I guess a lot of your preferences in the programs that you run the nice thing about this though is this is one of the first times where in the past talking about AMD versus Intel usually was like
intel was the most stable in Windows environment it was the most compatible with programs not having any sort of weird conflicts with the instructions and the way that AMD would handle it we always would say Intel had the best compatibility and it overall had the better performance than AMD but that's not true this time around in fact even though the intel on average the 13th series is holding higher clock speeds than AMD and these are the highest clocks we've ever seen by AMD up to 5.8 gigahertz the AMD still overall feels more fluid and smooth
in the windows than 13th gen does we are talking about the fact that you'd probably need a high-speed camera to start measuring the differences on how fast a window pops up on either of these two platforms but it's noticeable in how smooth and fluid AMD is but I can tell you right now when it came to testing the 13th gen I had a couple more random crashes or program not wanting to launch when I'm doing the benchmarks or a certain game not wanting to start than I had with AMD this was a never before seen
platform for any of us whereas this is built on an existing platform so the fact that it had weird nuances on Intel side was kind of strange to me we were able to work through it um it's one of those things where you know it wasn't consistent so I couldn't even nail down exactly what it is it's the kind of thing we always just attribute and chalk up to the fact that it's a brand new platform and it takes time for Windows updates and bios updates and stuff to sort of fix those problems on AMD
however it has been an amazingly solid experience I can tell you that when it comes to my next rig now that I've seen 13th gen I'm pretty convinced I'm still going to go with a 7950x although in terms of value it's not as good as Intel's because it's more expensive and it's trading blows with Intel's 13th gem which is 120 dollars cheaper at the top tier 3900k level the overall use experience for me has been smoother and more pleasant on AMD in fact when it comes to the Port Royal overclocking and stuff I have not
been able to achieve the same scores I was getting on AMD on Intel with the same setups so I don't know what that's all about again brand new platform might take some time for some uh microcode updates to take place with both bios and operating system but time will tell things will mature and they always do I hope this video has given you some things to think about when it comes to building your next platform I think the biggest takeaway if you're stuck in that whole Intel AMD Intel AMD it really comes down to a
couple of things and I'm going to sort of too long didn't read this version at the end Intel has a better value because you can still run ddr4 in an older motherboard on it or a current motherboard with ddr4 and not have to spend the extra money on ddr5 AMD however requires ddr5 and an am5 socket however it will carry longer upgrade pass in the future because it will be hanging onto the am5 socket for a couple of generations at least whereas Intel definitely every one to two generations completely changes the socket and any upgrades
in the future for Intel will more than likely be ddr5 only so it really depends on what your initial budget is if you're trying to get the most for the least amount of money and you're looking at new hardware and you're not looking at going with uh used stuff Intel is going to be the cheaper way to build at the moment just because of the fact that there's those new forward-facing technologies required for AMD that's not to say you can't still find 5000 series CPUs that are brand new and 12th gen CPUs that are brand
new that offer you the same exact performances you could get currently on Intel's 13th gen because you can still run like I said a 12th gen CPU with that setup and then upgrade to a 13th gen in the future and based on our charts that we've showed you that's a pretty really major uplift in its own Right Alright guys what are you looking for in a CPU just average Gaming use are you kind of doing a little bit of everything maybe some work some schooling some live streaming some gaming I'm kind of curious as to
what it is you guys do with your computers all day keep it PG though I don't want to know about that playing Fresh woman or whatever it is don't look it up don't please don't look it up you're gonna all right guys we'll see you in the next one
