no one denies the term predestination no one no one denies that it's by the power of God that you live breathe and move and have your being right hand means right or what your power and hand had determined what it's simply saying is keep this in mind this is where the calvinist get you oh see now read so people know what we're talking about read acts 42720 do you have it with you you want me to read yeah yeah I got it here for truly in the acts 4:27 for truly in this city they there
were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus whom you anointed both Herod and Pontius Pilate along with the Gentiles and the people of Israel to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place okay now hand whatever your hand and what sorry whatever your hand and your plan plan so Hand means power strength the fact is this is a fact according to scripture anything I do good or bad is because God is sustaining me if God doesn't sustain me I can't exist right right so God's hand means the very fact that you're
able to let's say rebel against God and defy God is because God has given you that very breath which You're Now using to attack him because if not God could wipe you out it's number one number two when it says his plan yes it's his plan that his son dies but does that mean God has to then create them in such a way where he compels them to do the very thing against Jesus because they're going to tell you well they were not forced to sin they freely sin but they're making my point because the
calvinist will tell you God didn't make them kill Jesus they did it naturally because of their fall nature they're actually than arguing my case why because what they saying is predestination does not mean God forc them to sin by killing Christ because they wanted to kill him and what God is allow them to kill Christ well that's not Calvinism that's our position what is our position without time God knowing that if I send the son at this time in this period of history and he shows himself to this group that group will want to kill
him therefore since the Sun dies in our place for our sin the sun will come at that very time that God knows that these people will carry out their desires to kill him that's all it's saying so you're saying that because God is omniscient he knows and he willingly uh um entered creation to die he chose that specific time in order to fulfill his plan and you know how I know that because Galatians 4:4 says in the fullness of time in the fullness of time God sent forth his son one of born under the law
okay so they'll even admit see because I know what they say wait so are you saying God made them kill Jesus say no no no they killed him freely because they're acting on their sinful nature because even a calvinist will tell you Sinners sin because they want to God doesn't make them sin but then if you ask them could they' have chosen not to do that sin God didn't predestinate they'll say no he had to do that sin even though he did it freely okay so this is where I catch them so you're agreeing with
me God didn't force them to sin They carried out the desires of their heart now God could have stopped them but instead he allowed them to that's what it means by his hand because if he wanted he could have stopped them the fact he didn't stop that means that even in that evil act he's still sustaining them just like he sustains everything right right but they'll admit to you if you ask them right question so did God make them kill Jesus no no no no they killed him out of their own sinful heart God doesn't
need to make them sin because sin comes naturally to them so they naturally and freely wanted to kill Jesus and God allowed them to do that all right say okay hold on so you're admitting to me God didn't have to make them kill Jesus for them to end up Killing Jesus no all God had to do was remove his restraint and allow them to act on their desires yes that's my position my position is God knowing that if the son was sent at this time these people would hate him to the point of wanting to
kill him and since the son came to die he came at the time that he knew that this is what they want and allowed them to carry it out but he didn't force them to do it he didn't predestin to do in the sense that H I'm going to create them to want to kill my son and I'm going to create them that they'll want a desire to kill my son so that it will be something they desire and act so I don't have to compel them to do it because they're already created with that
desire and then all I need to do is let them act on that desire but then if you ask them well what if they chose not to could they have chose not to do no no no they were predestined that's not my position that's their position you understand the difference let me repeat the difference our position says God knowing that if the sun comes at this time these group of individuals will hate him to the point that they'll want to kill him not that he created them to want to kill him and act upon it
he know if if he appears at this time they'll want to kill him and now I either can stop them from killing him or allow it okay because they're in my hand in my control but since it's my plan for the son to die for the son to die therefore this is the time he'll come because these individuals will want to kill him and all I need to do is allow them to kill him that Jesus told Judas you who have followed me including Judas you who have followed me will sit on 12 Thrones judging
the 12 tribes of Israel and Judas is one of the 12 this is in Matthew 19:28 was Jesus lying to Judas I Jesus would never lie but he told the 12 and Judas is one of 12 you who followed me will sit on 12 Thrones judging Israel so what is Jesus telling Judas that he wants him to betray him and go to hell or does he want Judas to follow him so he can reign with him it sounds like the lad it sounds like he wants to you better believe here let me show the verse
again you better Sor making you go through this again it's okay it's okay they again I know these because I was a calvinist when you take off the calvinist lenses then what you're seeing is not God creating people to commit the sin that he wants them to commit but God knowing that if he creates this person he's going to want to commit the sin and he allows them to do it see the difference Calum says God created you to commit the sin he wants you to commit this position that know God knows that if he
created you you're going to want to do this sin and then he can either allow you to do it or prevent you okay okay now watch look at the promise Matthew 1928 Jesus said to them truly I say to you in the New World when the son of man shall sit on his glorious Throne it's new heaven new Earth you have followed me will also sit on 12 Thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel the only 12 Apostles included Judas at this time but notice what Jesus says in the new heaven new Earth where I
ran on my Throne you you who follow me will reign with me on 12 Thrones judging Israel so does Jesus really want Judas to live and reign with him in the new heaven new Earth that's what it that's what it sounds like yeah but according to your calvinist buddy no he already created him to betray Christ so he can go to hell right but then we have a conflict either God is lying or God is schizophrenic has two Wills because that's what some Calvinists will say God has two Wills what he decrees and what he
desires so though Jesus desired Judas to reign with him he had determined that he would betray him and go to hell this is Calvinism for you okay now watch another promise Look what Jesus says and Judas is one of them he's there the they're all there the 12 and the 70 all the disciples are present as the 70 come back talking about how they cast out demons now watch this Luke 101 17- 20 Luke 10:1 17- 20 watch here ready the 70 now the 12 are with Jesus so they're there they're listening the 70 returned
with Joy saying Lord even the demons are subject to us in your name and he said to them I saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven behold I have given you Authority now is he talking to some or all of them all of them and in Matthew 10 ver8 when Jesus sent out the 12 Judas being one of them he gave Judas the power to cast out demons and raise the dead in Matthew 10 veres 1 to8 and I'll show it to you but here he's on all of them I've given you all right here
with me Judas is there Authority right to tread upon serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy and nothing shall hurt you nevertheless do not rejoice in this that the spirits are subject to you some of you or all of you standing there did he qualify by saying some no all of them right all of them but Rejoice that your names are written in heaven judas's name is written in heaven how what do you mean how he says it that all of you your names are written in heaven okay but but isn't
he a terrible you know didn't he commit one of the worst sins ever but you still don't get it that shows that God's desire was Judas I want you to live that's why I've written your name in heaven but now that you betray me I'm G to blot your name out oh that's what Jesus says whoever endures to the end his name I will not blot out Revelation 3:5 so what if you don't endure then he then the name is is taken away right there so Judas your name is there so what does this show
you about God's desire for Judas that God desires Judas to actually be with the TW in heaven yeah you got it now final one let me prove to you that Jesus even died for Judas are you ready okay right here now watch this pay attention because he doesn't qualify do say some of you most of you but not all of you and he took bread Luke 22 19-23 and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them saying this is my body which is given for you do this in remembrance of
me and likewise this cup after supper likewise the cup after supper saying this cup which is poured out for you is a New Covenant of my blood now did he say some of you most of you or all of you right here all of them right there clearly oh wait he just said I'm breaking my body and shedding my blood for you but now notice who's there behold the hand of him who betrays me is with me on the table so Judas is there so he Judas just heard Jesus saying this bread is my body
broken for you you too Judas this cup is my blood shed for you you too Judas but look even though I'm going to die for Judas he's still going to betray me look at the travesty and the Betrayal that I love him to the point to die for him to save him and how does he respond betraying me now here's where they're going to try to get you but here's where I'm going to bury them for the son of man goes as it has been determined say predestined but go to that man by whom he
is betrayed and they began to question one another which of them it was that would do this again does it mean that because Christ was determined to be betrayed that means god also created Judas to make him betray or does it mean that God knew that if Jesus comes at that time one of his disciples would betray him in order to bring about Jesus's death one of his disciples would betray him in order to bring about Jesus's death because it's predestined for Christ to die but that doesn't mean that the actors involved were created to
carry out those sins otherwise right they would have no CH choice to the contrary because it was predestin that's not if you read the Bible and as a whole God predestines based on for knowledge without time God knows at this time at this place all of these individuals they will Harbor these feelings towards Jesus and one of his disciples will betray him and this actually shows you how Majestic God is that he's so infinitely wise and Brilliant he even knows the perfect time where all of things will come together to bring about Christ's death without
having to create them and make them do it h yeah glory to God yeah it's not that Judas was created to betray Christ and he had no choice it's that God knew that if the Lord went at that time one of those who'd Fallen would be Judas and Judas would be so full of the devil that he'd betray him and then the others to whom he betrays him would want to kill him so it's all going to work out that this is the perfect time for for my son to die for your sin okay that's
all yeah I think a lot of that is cleared up in in um God pre or determining Things based on his OMS his forn knowledge of time that that clears up so many of those issues that I guess you're you're faced with when kind of bringing Calvinism to its necessary that's where you get blinded in fact here let me prove to you that the word forn knowledge is used with predestination so it's for knowledge and predestination acts 223 that's also by Jesus being betrayed because I thought that to you would you like me would you
like me to read this yeah if you can read out loud for me this Jesus delivered up according to the definite plan and forn knowledge of God you crucified so how did God plan based on knowledge fourge read it again so people can see read this Jesus delivered up according to the definite plan and forn knowledge of God so his plan was based on what the forn knowledge forn knowledge is not for ordaining don't let them lie to you okay yeah so he planned and determined based on what for knowledge there you go that's why
I'm no longer a calvinist
