Chris Langan - What Happens After Death, Gonzo Physicists, UFOs, and OOBEs - CTMU

Let's talk about what is death and what does it mean to die. That's the that's the termination of your relationship with your particular physical body that you have at this present time. When you when you are retracted from this reality, okay?

You you you go you you go back up toward the origin of reality. You can be provided with a substitute body, another terminal, another kind of terminal body that allows you to keep on existing with the same memory. is what religions, excuse me, with a modicum of your memories before or a complete eraser.

You can have the these memories can be retied manifold. Your memories can always be pulled back out if that's but there's no reason to do that usually. Okay.

Why cling to memories of a world in which you are no longer instantiated? So there are certain automatic psychological things that happen on death at the moment of death. And also you mentioned you mentioned what happens after death.

That's not quite appropriate of course because that's a temporal preposition. And when you're extracted from the terminal domain, you're no longer timelike. Now you're basically metatenual s.

Everything changes. However, you exist that way right now. Arguably all of your lifetimes if you were to be reincarnated again and again and again all of those reincarnations are meta- simultaneous there is a sense in which they all occur at once in the long term so when people talk about heaven which I know you have your own views a specific differentiated view I haven't heard before as to what heaven is and even hell when people talk about heaven usually what they mean is something like uh reinstantiation of this body with probably a better hairline than I have and got a green hairline.

Oh man, but you should see Bernardo Castro, which I should put you in touch with. Have you heard of Bernardo Castro? I've heard of Bernardo.

Yeah, he's I think I think he was on email distributions I was on. I think one of Jack Sarfett's email distributions. Who's that?

Jack who? Jack Sarfetti. Yeah, Jack Sarfetti is one of the hippies who saved physics.

Uhhuh. Related to UFOs? Does he study UFOs?

As a matter of fact, I think he's working on he right now he's working on meta materials that uh that will uh allow us to build spacecraft that emulate tic tacs. Remember those tic tacs that the We're going to talk about that, man. I mean, yeah, he's a Gonzo physicist, right?

But he's been around since the, you know, 1960s and and he there a bunch of other guys, you know, like uh Sarra and Nick Herbert and uh and uh Fred Allen Wolf and other people like this who uh David there's a guy named David Kaiser. I think he's in MIT. He wrote a book called How the Hippie Sink Physics.

And these were the guys these were, you know, non-locality and all the quantum woo you hear about sometimes came from these guys. But in reality, they had a lot of very productive thoughts. And in a way, the world we're living in now is an outgrowth of some of what they were thinking and doing in these days.

Some of these guys are still around. I mean, not just John Setti, but you've also got other guys like, you know, I know Nick Herbert is still there, you know, and I know that Wolf is still there. Sur is still there.

These guys are on email distributions that that uh that, you know, Jack sometimes puts me on one of his distributions. I want to talk to Jack at some point. I heard that I should talk to Jack.

What I've been exploring recently is the topic of UFOs because like you know this podcast is about theoretical physics, consciousness, free will, and God. And it's it seems like UFOs from our observations of them break the laws of physics as we know. So a simple one is angular sorry a simple one is conservation of momentum.

How can you move back and forth if you're we have to assume a certain mass is associated with the craft? Well, yes. And of course, mass amounts to inertia and that's a violation of inertia.

You can't just suddenly turn the con. Right. So, that's what I've been exploring.

Unless unless you're dealing with a projection. Right. Right.

That's also called spoofing, I believe. Have you heard that term? Yeah, I have heard the ter the term spoofing.

You need a a better theater of reality in order to explain what this kind of projection can be. Okay, while we're here, man, let's talk about this. What are your thoughts on UFOs in general, as well as the recent disclosure movements?

Is there anything about UFOs that you find convincing that they are in fact maybe us from the future, maybe associated with God or demons or angels, or just an advanced civilization visiting us in the same way that we house people at zoos? I mean animal they could be any or all of those things. There could be different kinds that some kinds that come from the future sometime some kinds that come from another planet elsewhere in the universe, right?

Um but they definitely you've got too much reportage on them. There are too many people who are coming up with heartfelt stories about them. They're they can't possibly all be fake.

All right? People aren't liars. If someone's going to risk his reputation and be called a nut by coming out and saying, "I saw a UFO," you have to take that person a little bit seriously.

Sure, there are scammers out there and people who are going to lie about it, but I don't think we could have this much uh reportage without actually having something to it, right? So, I think a lot of people are telling the truth about UFOs. That means they have to be explained and there are a number of possible explanations corresponding to different kinds of UFO.

You mentioned the word woo about 5 minutes ago. What I'm wondering is did you used to have a conception of what you thought was woo? So for example telekinesis or psychic phenomenon maybe when you were in your teens that now because of your development of the CTMU you no longer regard it as incoherent mysticism.

Well, I I mean I have had a number of paranormal experiences um uh and began having them at a rather young age and that's one of the reasons I had to develop the CTN to develop an extended picture of reality that would actually accommodate alternate states of being, alternate states of mind. And so that is uh rather than dismissing the experiences that I had in the past, I've actually become more comfortable with it. What are some of these paranormal experiences?

Well, you know, psychokinesis, telepathy, lots of precognition in my case, um, out of body experiences, you name it. There's pro I don't know. I don't I don't I don't know the single kind of paranormal event that I haven't spontaneously experienced at one point or another.

Have you witnessed any UFOs on your own? Well, yes, I have. All right.

And I was basically up near I was working for the US Forest Service and I was up near in central Montana near Malmstream Air Force Base, by the way, where they're known to have shown up. But, uh, I saw something in the sky and actually stood and watched it for 30 minutes until I got bored and drove away. and and I was driving a US Forest Service pickup truck, but literally stood there leaning against the back of the truck looking directly at it for a long long time.

Okay, it was perfectly It did not change shape. It did not change position. It was right up there in the sky over they were called the Little Snowy Mountains.

I was in charge kind of in charge of this mountain ranch uh in Montana and uh that's where it was and it was huge. It was Titanic. I mean there was no missing.

I don't know if anybody else saw it or not, but yeah, it was up there. What do you Excuse me. Sorry.

What do you estimate it size to be? It You see, it's very, very difficult to tell because getting a distance fix on something like that is very, very hard. Could have been anywhere from 500 yards to 5 miles in diameter.

So, I don't know. But it was huge. Was it one of the triangular UFOs or was it a more disc-like?

It was uh oblate. It was uh looked to me like an oblate sphere. And one of the first things I thought was, well, this must be a lenticular cloud.

And so I kept on looking at it to find out if it was, you know, to see, okay, if it's a lenticular cloud, I'm going to see some sign of movement. There's going to be something there. It was nothing like that.

This thing was totally solid metallic and it did not change. I kept on staring directly at it to see if it would change, you know, kept on saying change, change, you know, do something, but it wouldn't. So, as I said, I stayed there for, you know, until I was quite sure that uh there was no doubt about it, and then I just drove away.

Can you give me an example of another paranormal experience of yours, a specific one? Um, just simply all kinds. Well, the first time I had an out-of- body experience, I was lying down and uh experience, you ever hear of nocturnal paralysis?

Yeah. Basically, I was lying down and I I woke up and I, you know, thought me. So, I better, you know, maybe I'll get up and go to the bathroom or something.

So, I tried to move and I couldn't. Immediately, I started to panic. Mhm.

There was a wall next to me. So, you know, I figured, what's going on? I look over there's a bookshelf next to me on the wall right next to my head.

That bookshelf was 4 feet above the ground. Okay, in other words, somehow I must have risen above my body. I couldn't figure out how this had happened.

But anyway, I thought, "Oh my god, am I dead? What time is it? How long have I, you know, if I'm dead?

How long have I been dead? " Suddenly, I I floated. I began to move.

I floated in from the room that I was in into the kitchen of the house that I was in, turned a corner and looked directly at a clock that was on the stove there and saw the time. And at that point, I realized, you know, this is, you know, basically the middle of the night and I woke up back up in my body. I mean, it took me a little bit and I got control of my my muscles and I walked back in and it was 1 minute later than it was when I looked at the clock.

So, of course, now some people are very good at gauging time and and you know, figuring out what time it is, but that was an exact an exact estimate of the time after I'd been asleep for some period of time. So, you know, that was something. Of course it was terrifying because the first time you experience this nocturnal paralysis you are going to reen but then many many of these experiences after deaths.

Have you had any intimations of God speaking to you? Well now you're getting a little bit Yes, I have had religious caliber visions. Okay.

Now I'm getting a little bit wet. Now you're getting a little bit personal. No, no, you're asking me to reveal some of the most personal details.

Right. Right. Right.

If you want, you can I have I have I have too much experience with these despicable creatures called trolls that have been specializing in my case for just you admit that you had a paranormal experience and suddenly these creatures they're looking for any reason to crawling all over the internet, right? Saying nasty things about you. And unfortunately, you know, as I don't know if you know anything about me, but I've been cancelled.

Me and my ideas have been cancelled despite the fact that they're totally provable. Been cancelled for a long time because of the God thing. And also because people don't like IQ differentials.

Okay? And and so if there's an IQ differential, it's politically incorrect. And if you're talking about God and say God is mathematically provable on top of that, the trolls come out of the woodwork on you.

Okay? And pretty soon people are reading the internet and they see all this troll nonsense and they somehow get the idea, oh wow, well there's smoke, there's fire, so this guy must be like totally off the wall. And then they don't pay attention to you or they think that it's somehow your ideas are somehow tainted.

And so this leads to what is called cancellation or cancel culture, which in my case has been going on for over 30 years, but somewhere between 30 and 40 years. And let me tell you, I'm sick. Okay.

There is not an academic alive that can do a thing about anything that I have ever said or done. Nevertheless, I'm not invited to, you know, conferences or symposia. I'm not invited to do media appearances.

I mean, these are, you know, things that I should have been able to there ways that I should have been able to spread the word about, you know, my work and actually get it out there so that people could look at it. They were denying me, right? And so I'm a little bit I don't like trolls.

I don't like people that talk out of turn about things they don't understand. And there are a lot of those people out there. And unfortunately, it would be it would be fine, I guess, if most people were able to distinguish between a troll and someone who actually knows what he's talking about.

Most people can't. If the troll uses a little bit of language, well, I work at a university and here's my opinion. It's all nonsense.

Okay. Then you know people think well he says he's from a university maybe he really is. All right.

And this is, you know, the problem.