>> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY! WELCOME BACK TO "THE LATE SHOW" HERE ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY GUEST TONIGHT IS A FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF NEW ZEALAND WHO HAS JUST WRITTEN A NEW MEMOIR CALLED "A DIFFERENT KIND OF POWER.
" PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "THE LATE SHOW," THE RIGHT HONORABLE DAME JACINDA ARDERN. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] ♪ ♪ [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] ♪ ♪ NICE TO SEE YOU. THANKS.
LOVELY TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I ALWAYS LIKED TALKING TO YOU. >> Rt.
Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: SO LOVELY TO SEE YOU. >> Stephen: WE SHIFTED A COUPLE KEYWAYS.
JUST MAKE YOU FEEL AT HOME. >> Rt. Hon.
Dame Jacinda Ardern: HONORARY NEW ZEA NEW ZEALANDERS. >> Stephen: I HOPE I CAN INCLUDE MYSELF. THE CASE I NEED TO GET DOWN THERE REAL QUICK SOMEDAY.
GOSH, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT SINCE WE'VE HAD YOU ON THE SHOW. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NEW BOOK HERE.
"A DIFFERENT KIND OF POWER. " [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] BEFORE WE DO THAT, I HEARD IT WAS YOUR AND YOUR HUSBAND CLARK'S ANNIVERSARY THIS PAST WEEKEND. IS THAT TRUE?
>> Rt. Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: IT'S TRUE.
>> Stephen: HOW DID YOU CELEBRATE? >> Rt. Hon.
Dame Jacinda Ardern: I FORGOT. >> Stephen: DID HE FORGET? >> Rt.
Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: NO. IN FACT, I STARTED TO BELIEVE HE TAKES SOME JOY AND SATISFACTION IN ME FORGETTING.
HE LITERALLY ROLLED OVER. IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE THAN 6:30 IN THE MORNING, ROLLED OVER AND I WAS FACING THE WALL AND THIS ARM COMES OVER AND THERE IS A CARD AND HE PUTS IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE AND WHISPERS "HAPPY ANNIVERSARY, MY LOVE. " >> Stephen: THAT IS SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO WIN ANNIVERSARY.
>> Rt. Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: HE SEES NOTHING -- HE SAYS NOTHING ABOUT IT.
HE DOESN'T SAY WHAT SHOULD WE DO? HE PRESENTS THE CAR TO VICTORY IN FRONT OF MY FACE. >> Stephen: FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE KEPT ENTIRELY UP TO DATE, TWO YEARS AGO?
2023 OR 2022? HE RESIGNED. HE RESIGNED AS -- YOU RESIGNED AS PRIME MINISTER OF NEW ZEALAND.
WHAT IS LIFE LIKE SINCE THEN? >> Rt. Hon.
Dame Jacinda Ardern: IT'S A SIMPLER LIFE. I'VE BEEN AT HARVARD. I'VE HAD A FELLOWSHIP.
I'VE BEEN IN CAMBRIDGE FOR A LITTLE WHILE WHICH HAS BEEN WONDERFUL. I STILL DO WORK ON CLIMATE. I STILL DO WORK ON LIGHT SUBJECTS LIKE VIOLENT EXTREMISM ONLINE AND I STILL DO WORK ON LEADERSHIP, INCLUDING WRITING A BOOK.
>> Stephen: DO YOU MISS ANYTHING ABOUT BEING PRIME MINISTER? I IMAGINE IT'S A TOUGH GIG. >> Rt.
Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: IT IS A TOUGH GIG BUT EVERY DAY REMINDED OF WHAT A PRIVILEGE IT IS AND I MISS HOME AS WELL. I DO MISS HOME.
YOU'VE BEEN THERE. >> Stephen: I LOVE NEW ZEALAND. >> Rt.
Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: IT'S THE MOST WONDERFUL PLACE. ONCE YOU'RE AN AMBASSADOR, YOU'RE ALWAYS AN AMBASSADOR.
VISIT NEW ZEALAND. IT'S ONE FLIGHT FROM NEW YORK, DIRECT TO AUCKLAND. >> Stephen: 117-HOUR FLIGHT.
>> Rt. Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: BUT IT'S JUST ONE FIGHT.
>> Stephen: YOU CAN WATCH ALL THREE EXTENDED VERSIONS OF THE "LORD OF THE RINGS. " AND THEN WHEN YOU LAND, YOU'RE READY TO GO. YOU UNDERSTAND IT.
YOU'VE BEEN LIVING IN MASSACHUSETTS WITH CLARKE AND YOUR DAUGHTER. ARE THERE ANY SIMILARITIES BETWEEN BOSTONIANS WHICH ARE VERY DISTINCT TYPE OF AMERICANS. DISTINCT IS A COMPLIMENT.
BOSTONIANS AND KIWIS. >> Rt. Hon.
Dame Jacinda Ardern: I LIVED IN ARIZONA, THE TIME IN NEW YORK, TIME IN BOSTON. IT'S PROBABLY THE PLACE I FIND MYSELF MOST EASILY UNDERSTOOD. YOU PARK THE CAR.
YOUR WICKED SMART. THE LITTLE SIMILARITY. IT'S A MASSIVE GENERALIZATION.
BUT REALLY KIND, PRAGMATIC, GOOD SOULS AS WE WOULD SAY. >> Stephen: AND IN BOSTON THEY DON'T LIKE YOU TO GET ABOVE YOURSELF. >> Rt.
Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: NO. OR MAKE AREA ANY ERROR ON THE ROADS.
THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE TURN INTO MESS HALLS, THEY SAY. ARE YOU ALLOWED TO SAY THAT? >> Stephen: WE WILL FIND OUT.
YOUR DAUGHTER WHO IS SIX NOW. HOW DOES SHE LIKE AMERICA? >> Rt.
Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: LOTS OF THINGS, SHE MISSES HOME BUT SHE REALLY ENJOYED THE DOLLAR STORE. A BIG FAN, MASSIVE FAN.
SHE DOES BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN SOME INFLATION LATELY. SHE THINKS THERE ARE MORE THINGS IN THE $3 CATEGORY THAN A $1 CATEGORY SHE'S VERY UPSET. >> Stephen: SO SHE IS GOING TO GROW UP TO BE AN ECONOMIST.
>> Rt. Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: I DON'T KNOW.
>> Stephen: IN THIS MEMOIR, ONCE AGAIN, "A DIFFERENT KIND OF POWER. " WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR HERE OR FROM WATCHING THE NEWS OF HOW PEOPLE EXERCISE POWER AND HOW PEOPLE WANT POWER AND DO ALMOST ANYTHING TO GET A CERTAIN TYPE OF POWER. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF POWER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN YOUR BOOK?
>> Rt. Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A DUAL MEANING FOR ME.
ON THE FACE OF IT IT'S THE OBVIOUS THING THAT WE HAVE CHOICES IN LEADERSHIP PARTICULARLY IN POLITICS. WHEN YOU'RE IN TIMES OF CRISIS, WHEN YOU'RE IN TIMES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY YOU CAN EITHER WEAPONIZE THAT, YOU CAN EITHER TRY TO APPEAL TO PEOPLE BY USING FEAR AND BLAME. OR YOU CAN TACKLE THE ISSUES THAT ARE GENUINELY AFFECTING PEOPLE'S LIVES AND YOU CAN DO IT WITH A PEOPLE-CENTERED APPROACH THAT HAS KINDNESS AND EMPATHY AND STRENGTH AND COURAGE AND RESILIENCE AS WELL.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] BECAUSE I DO THINK THOSE TWO THINGS CAN GO TOGETHER. BUT THERE'S A LITTLE HIDDEN EXTRA LAYER THAT YOU CAN ALSO BE SOMEONE THAT SUFFERS A LITTLE BIT OF IMPOSTER SYNDROME OR SELF-DOUBT. >> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE THAT?
>> Rt. Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: OH, YEAH.
SPADES. THIS IS QUITE A TERRIFYING EXPERIENCE. >> Stephen: TO BE OUT HERE?
>> Rt. Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern: ABSOLUTELY.
FEW OF THESE ARE THE NICEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. >> Rt. Hon.
Dame Jacinda Ardern: THEY ARE LOVELY. IT'S A LOVELY AUDIENCE BUT YOU ARE STEPHEN COLBERT AND YOU ARE A LITTLE BIT OF A BIG DEAL WHERE I COME FROM. >> Stephen: MI REALLY?
THAT'S WHY I LIKE IT DOWN THERE. WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE JACINDA ARDERN FROM EVERYBODY.
