The Secrets of Frequencies (sonic control (440hz), spiritual grids, & portals) w/Laura Sanger

Our bodies absorb sound and frequencies through every pore. Written words have a frequency that changes the structure of the water molecule. Imagine what lyrics do to our body. Any replacement will become an idol and any idol will build an altar. Any altar will open up portals. They just looked at people's mood after listening to music tuned to 440 versus 432. People reported an increase of negative mood after Listening to music tuned to 440 hertz. We asked the Holy Spirit, "What did we miss?" And the Holy Spirit said, "You didn't invite my presence into the void

you just created." They said, "There are doors that will open for the voice that sings that will never open for the voice that speaks." The occult, the Luciferians, they understand the importance of opening up portals and territories and altars for their activity. Your body's changed through The the traumatic effect of having to sell out to something and you don't know how to live anymore. When we worship, we are actually doing war not just here and now, but for generations to come. See, if you can figure out a way to worship for 20 minutes and not

feel different. Everyone wants to get to the high places. But if you want to go high, you first have to go deep. What's up, guys? Welcome back to the deep end. We're here. We are ready to go. What's up, Jake? What up? How you doing? Good. We're recording in the afternoon. We are, which is different. We usually record in the mornings, but we're testing some things out and we just It was good. Today is my birthday. Happy birthday. Big 36. Would you let us sing Happy Birthday on the show? Nope. No. Okay. So, hey, we

have a guest with us today. Her name is Dr. Laura Sanger. And Dr. Laura Sanger, if you've never heard of of this woman, um sometimes you Listen to people and it's like, well, yeah, she that person has the mind of Christ. How? Well, it's just something about their ability that God's given them to sift through data and details and to do research. It's not totally a normal thing. And then recommunicate it in a way that people can understand. Um and so Dr. Laura is a best-selling author. She runs um what what's no longer enslaved is

the ministry. and your kind of purpose and your prayer is That you would equip people with the tools necessary to walk in victory with Jesus, which is a beautiful mission. So, thanks for being here, first of all. Thanks for having me on your birthday. It's wonderful to be here. It's the best day. The best day is is the day that Taylor Welch was born. I just want to invite you on this day. Fantastic. I feel honored. Dr. Loro, she's she's a retired psychologist, so she's probably Profiling me right now. She's like, "Got it. Narcissism." Okay,

we'll work on that later. Nephilim host. No, they don't even know what a Nephilim host is. Uh, all right. Let's start going. Let's go to the deep the deep waters. We're going to talk about today. We're gonna talk about worship, music, frequencies. Apparently, now we got to talk about Nephilim hosts so that people know I'm not a Nephilim host. That's right. Um so let's maybe start there Like the shallower end of the of the pool. Okay. Um you have a book called um the roots of the Federal Reserve. Yes. Nephilim and the roots of the

Federal Reserve. Can you quickly give us like a cursory unpacking of your research on that because we're going to go back to that era and we're going to talk about music. Yes. I actually have two books. So Roots of the Federal Reserve is the first one. Generation hoodwinkedked is the second one. So with the roots of the Federal Reserve, what I do is I trace the Nephilim agenda from the days of Noah to our current debt enslavement system we call the Federal Reserve. Nice. And it was a massive undertaking, but it was um a scavenger

hunt with the Holy Spirit, which I absolutely love. I had no idea when I started writing the book that I was even writing a book. I thought I was doing a spiritual mapping prayer brief and the Lord just kept digging and showing me and I just Followed the lead and I had so many paradigm shifts even in writing that book. So it was a blast to write. Um and then it was released November of 2020 and then Generation Hoodwinkedked was just released or published um I think it was August of 2024. What's that one about?

That one is essentially it's providing a a pathway out of the dark caverns of mind control. So it's uncovering, you know, the the ways that the Nephilim agenda is trying to Strangle the lifeblood out of humanity. And that one that one was actually birthed out of both a dream and a vision. And so I um you know before the roots of the Federal Reserve was published, I had this dream. And in the dream, a publisher came to me and said, "If you'll write a book about how AI has stolen the vocal cords of our children,

I'll publish it." And then I had um that was in May of 2020. And then in October Of 2020, I had a vision. And this is when um Jesus came to me. I was awake. He came to me and he took me by my hand and we walked down this dirt pathway into an underground cave at the base of a mountain. And then he took me inside this dark cavern. I couldn't see anything until he released his breath and it billowed out like this blue light and it allowed me to see that there were children

in cages lining the walls of this cavern and they were plugged into The walls. Oh my gosh. And so he turned to me and he said, "Take the key of David and go unlock the cages." And so I did and I unplugged the children from the walls and many of them ran to the arms of Jesus, but there were some that remained in the cages and I realized it was because they were programmed to stay. And so he said, "Take your sword and go demolish those cages." Well, as I'm having that vision, the Holy Spirit

is giving me revelation that, you know, The lockdowns, the school closures, that forced our children onto their devices, you know, for schooling, for social interaction, for entertainment, and that was all by design because that allowed Nephilim host to collect AI data on our children to hoodwink them. So, um, at that point, Jesus was showing me that we have a whole generation, not just children, but adults as well, that have been hoodwinkedked, and it's time to set the captives free. So, that's why I Wrote that book. That sounds incredible. I have to read that book. Well,

I gave it to you for your birthday. Praise God for you. So, you said you had this dream in October. October of 2020. Published in November. No. So, then the roots of the Federal Reserve published in November. So I had already written I was like you wrote this book in a month one of those people. No I'm not one of those people. It took me four years to write the roots of the Federal Reserve and Then Generation Hoodwinkedked. I didn't start writing. It took me about a year and a half once I started writing that

one. Wow. Okay. I can't wait to read that one. I'm going to have probably questions for you after I read it. AI is a fascinating topic. It is. Um I don't know if we were ready. We're It's too early in the show to get there, so maybe we'll save that for like 30 minutes. We don't want to drown everyone right at the beginning. Is that a good call? Yeah, good idea. Yeah. Okay. Um, cool. So, when you I have a question before we get into the subject because now I'm curious with that slavery and how

it started. Uh, do you see this situation getting better? Like, have you gotten any revelation on that? like are we going to trend in a good direction here or is it just going to get worse and worse and worse until the return of Jesus? Well, that's a great question as far as the Federal Reserve is concerned. Yeah. Um I see movement in a positive direction um in the sense of well first of all Doge is going after you know all the the corruption in government exposing things things that you know we as Americans have understood

our government is pretty darn corrupt. Um, and then also them going after like doing a full audit on the gold at Fort Knox, I think is really positive because that could revalue gold. And I think in order to get back on track, we have to Get away from fiat currency, which is essentially currency that's backed by nothing. So getting back to a goldback currency, I think, is really important. And one of the things that you know all throughout history nations that debase their currencies always fail. Yeah. And so all throughout history fiat currencies have failed

100% of the time. And we are 54 years into our fiat currency system. So in order for our nation to thrive, we really have to move Away from that. So I think there are some positive signs. Um, I think another positive sign is that uh Trump, he signed an executive order, I believe it was January 23rd, uh, banning CBDC's, central bank digital currencies. I think that's really positive because the central bank digital currency could take us right into Orwellian conditions because they can actually trace and program uh, CBDC's. So, the fact that there was That

ban and then uh Mike Lee, Senator Mike Lee from Utah, he's got a bill to permanently ban the CBDC, which would be very positive. Yeah. Okay. Uh for those who are just kind of getting up to speed on this, like the essentially it was what 1914, 1912, 1913, the Federal Reserve. Did you notice I did the bookends? Great job. I was so close, but so far the same time. story of my life. And then was it 197 something when it became like 1971? Yeah. Official was like if you didn't turn your gold in, you would

get arrested. Um and this is what has caused rampant inflation. This is the time preference of money switch. So for generations, people would save money to pass an inheritance to their kids. And now you're saving a devaluing asset. It's it it makes you more money to spend your money than save your money. So the whole thing got twisted. Did you read Do you There's a book up there on the shelf Called The Creature from Jackal Island. Yes. That's what started me on my path. Did it? Mhm. Okay. That book freaked me out. Did it? Yeah.

Yeah. I was like, "My whole life is a lie." Like, "Money is bad. I don't know what to do with it." Um, so I'm assuming in this book you go into um the the group of men I do on that island. Yes. Yes. Everybody should buy this book right now and read it. The thing that sets my book apart from Creature of Jackal Island is I look at The spiritual roots, yes, of what created the Federal Reserve and I go all the way back in history um to the days of Noah and I trace the

Nephilim all the way to our current day. Have you read this book? Mm- No. The Creature of Jekal Island or her book? No, the her book The We've We're We've We're about like a couple hours in. Nice. Okay. It's really interesting so far. Okay. Really good. I'm going to read it, but I'm just going to like go I'm just going to say right Now it's I'm going to love this book cuz I know you now. And then knowing the history of everything is phenomenal. So, um, we don't have to spend the whole episode on I

would spend the whole episode on money. We don't have to. People already think I'm obsessed with money, but forget them. Music. Let's talk about music because one of the things that um that you're so good at doing is tracing a historical arc and a Historical narrative. It's really difficult to understand where we are if we don't understand where we came from, right? And then we don't know what to do about it. So, this is something I think that I I've heard you talk about this before. Um, but can you tell us the story about how

you were driving here and I want to know what God has told you about this show cuz you have an interesting way before you go on episodes, you pray about it, you get Downloads from heaven, you talk about it and then you were telling me earlier you got twist twisted around a little bit. Can you just tell us like how we how you got here because the it's fascinating. Sure. Yeah. So, one of the things that um the Lord showed me several years back when I first started doing podcast interviews, um I love being on

the receiving end, listening to somebody who has spent the time asking the Lord what exactly should They say because when I'm on the receiving end, like whether that's a conference or at church or wherever, the Holy Spirit will bring revelation, will bring confirmation of things that he's been showing me the person will say whether that's a story or a phrase or anything like that. So I told the Lord that I want to be a conduit of that because I love being on the receiving end. And so then he said, "Then ask me for the scrolls."

And so that's what I Do when I speak is I ask the Lord for the scrolls. What does this look like? What what are the stories you want for me to tell? What is it the message that you want me to bring? And it's um it never it shocks me or I shouldn't say that it never ceases to amaze me. That's what I'm trying to say in that um people will respond to what I say and and they will say you know you said exactly what I was thinking or the Lord's been showing me that

or you know things that I say will unlock um things that they're thinking about revelation. So I just am grateful for that opportunity. um to share. So in coming here, I felt like the Lord really wanted me to focus on the role of music in the seed war and how the enemy has weaponized music and also how we can use our worship is actually a weapon of warfare. And so when I was driving here, um, I got a little bit turned around and I was supposed to take the 65 and I missed my Exit and

I ended up on the 440 and I realized it went right past the parthonon and the Holy Spirit just started putting two and two together for me because 440 is a destruct 440 hertz is a destructive frequency and um there's a lot of spiritual dynamics connected to that. what the enemy is trying to do. And the parthonon here in Nashville has a lot of spiritual dynamics attached to it. Well, what's interesting is I was in Greece um two Summers ago at the Parthonon and um that that entire trip um we walked the footsteps of Apostle

Paul. So we were all over Greece up into um Turkey cuz we went to Ephesus and um the Lord just began revealing the significance of worship and worship in spirit and in truth. Um so I feel like there's there's some connection um with Athens, with Greece, what the Lord is wanting to do here in Nashville and The sound that gets released. And so I'm just grateful to be here on this land talking about music because for me it all began when I came here the very first time in 2007 for the Call Nashville, which is

a 12-hour prayer and fasting event. And it I was a youth minister at the time. We brought youth with us, um some young adults, and it was such a profound experience for me. I had been to a couple of other calls, but the one here in Nashville, like there Was something inside of me that got ignited and connected with the land. And so, since I've been back, like every time I set foot on the land, I sometimes I'm brought to tears just being on the land, I feel like there is something very weighty and significant

that the Lord wants to do in the sound that gets released from Nashville. I feel like there's there's defilement um in the sound that comes forth sometimes and that needs to be cleansed And he's in the business of doing that and so it just it is incredible to be able to be part of that. Where do you live? Salt Lake City. Okay. We were just in literally just there. We should have hung out with you ago. Yes, you should have. Well, now you know we would have just taken you out on the town and partied

and cleansed the bars and we actually didn't go to a bar one time. That was your first time. We literally worked the entire time we were in Salt Lake City. Well, you should move to Nashville. You're welcome. Anytime. Thank you. Yeah, come on out. Um, can I I have a really weird question that I forgot to ask you that has nothing to do with this. Can we'll get back to music in a second. Um, cryptocurrency. Is that good or bad? I'm sorry. I have just stuck on It was stuck on your head, wasn't it? I'm

stuck on the money again. Do you like crypto or not? Um, personally, the Lord Has not directed me to get involved in cryptocurrency just for our Just go ask for the scrolls. Tell me what you find. Okay. I want to know what to buy. I'm sorry. Keep going. Um, so I I haven't invested in any cryptocurrency personally. Um, and there's I just have a check in my spirit. I don't know if that's because of cryptocurrency or just because of what the Lord has called me to not to Get involved in it. Got it. Um, and

I don't again I'm not sure if that is related to mixture. There's a lot of things that many people can do and I can't just because of the things that the Lord has called me to walk in. So, I don't know if cryptocurrency fits in that. I don't have it clarity on that. Thank you. And and apologies, but thank you for I had to get that scratched off before we moved on. Um, so with it's interesting that you got turned around Is and does God ever speak to you in ways that are just like um

like random like that? Like you'll miss your you'll miss your exit or you forget something and then God shows up? Mhm. For sure. Does he ever do that to you? Not with driving. I haven't had that problem. So this is like I've been problem. It's not a problem. Getting turned around constantly. I guess that's not the worst thing. Rule number one, don't respect disrespect the guest. True. Let's work on that. This is probably the second time I've done that by accident. Yeah, that's okay. Yesterday, um I'm just teasing. Do I have encounters with the Holy

Spirit? 100%. Well, no. I I I just want to say this because um every every once in a while there will be something that happens that I think is an error or something and then God will speak to me through it. So, like yesterday when I was journaling in an app called Day One, Um me and Lizzie had just gotten done eating dinner, I came into my office because I was having like a I was just a little frustrated with some things. So, I came in, I was going to write down what I felt like

I wanted me to do in the next season. And so, I'm typing, you know, that stupid autocorrect on your iPad or Mhm. So every time I would hit enter for some weird reason it would auto correct the last word to more and I got so frustrated and then I Eventually felt Holy Spirit say ask me for more. I was sitting down typing out my notes and that stuff has been happening to me more and more where it's like I will get you know like for you it sounds like you you get you know turned around

with directions and then it's like ah this is where I wanted you to go to. For me sometimes it's tech issues and God will speak to me through that. It's almost like a call to people listening to like don't just try to fix It. Ask God what he's trying to communicate to you in that moment. Just thought that was interesting. Um, with with music and the story about the parthonon, can you take us back to where it all began so that we can understand a bit of our history? The history specifically of music because I

think worship and music are not always the same thing, but they're definitely connected together. And so, how did the defilement happen at first so we can Understand what to do about it? Yeah. So, one of the things that I love to do is go back to the origins and um I I think it's so important to understand the roots of it. Like you said, if it's defiled, we have to know that so that we can cleanse it and walk in the opposite spirit, so to speak. So, uh in going back in human history, the first

human musician recorded in scripture is Jubal and um he was the eighth generation from Adam. So this is, you know, not long Into human history. And what's interesting is his father was the first polygamist recorded in history. And his father walked in that same murderous spirit as Cain. So what happens is his father um murders somebody because, you know, this this younger person um didn't treat him well and so he just murdered him. Well, there's no indication that that generational iniquity was cleansed through repentance. And so with generational iniquity, if it's not Cleansed, it can

flow from generation to generation. And so most likely Jubal would have been operating in that same generational iniquity. Now when you look at scripture, he was the first um person to invent musical instruments. So that means through a defiled bloodline, music enters into human history. But thankfully that's not the origin of music because we know music originated or existed in heaven. You know Lucifer Certainly has was created with music as part of his very being. So he had timberalss or tambourines as part of his being and that was so that he could fulfill his role

in heaven as the music minister. Um but in doing that he became enamored with his own beauty and his own glory. And I think about, you know, when you when you think about musicians and when they're chasing the top of the charts, that's exactly what Lucifer was doing. He was chasing the top of the Charts. And so defilement was found in him. And um but thankfully that is also not the origin of music. We know music originated with Yahweh and it's part of his being. And I love Zephaniah 3:17 because it talks about how the

father sings over us. And I had um a recent experience where I was in Omaha in downtown Omaha at the Olds Market, which is probably I think she said it's the second darkest place in downtown Omaha. Um and they there's a a ministry there Called Gather at the Table and it's a prayer house and also a restaurant. And when I walked into that prayer house for the first time, it was like the the father, the the presence of the Lord just overwhelmed me. And it was one of the few times I felt like the father

just scooped me up like this little girl and sang over me. And I I kept telling people, I I feel like I'm like he's singing a lullaby over me. And I just The peace of God was so tangible. And so I love that the father sings over us, but not only that, he taught his angels how to sing so that music could be incorporated in establishing the earth. And that's part of music's original intent is to birth and to bring forth life and to create, but Lucifer introduced defilement in it. And so it's been a

battleground ever since. So how do you get God to sing over you? Is that just something he does? like how What was it about that place that made you tap into that? Well, they they've stewarded the land really well there um in that they pray and worship all the time in this in this space. And when I walked in, it was um we were a little bit late cuz we had just arrived from the airport and they were having a prayer and worship service. And the gal leading worship was maybe 19. I think she was

and her heart was so pure. I Mean, you just felt the purity. This is somebody who has no interest in becoming f like a famous worship musician. Yeah. And she was just prophetically leading worship. I mean, we would sing maybe a song or two that had lyrics, but then aside from that, she would just flow prophetically and sing. And the and the purity in in her heart and that heart posture and worship, it just the peace of God was tangible. And so that's what I believe The father was moving through her and singing over us.

And that's what that's how I felt um when he scooped me up in his arms. That's awesome. Have you ever have you ever done studies on altars and lay lines and how music ties into these things? Yeah, I mean I've done a lot with um lay lines and spiritual mapping, spiritual gates, spiritual grids, that sort of thing. Um musically, and I I think that's why it's So important to speak about this here in the land of Nashville. Um, now I haven't done a lot of spiritual mapping research on Nashville, uh, or the the greater Nashville

area, but back to 440, um, the freeway 440 being right next to that Parthonon. And, um, I need to look, I was having a conversation with Todd Smith about it a while back. He's part of SA and I think he was telling me that there are some recording studios right Off of 440. Um and so just spiritually what will happen is you will see physical manifestations um of what's happening spiritually over a city. Mhm. And so, um, it just it highlights the importance of paying attention to what what you see in the physical realm and

then asking the Holy Spirit, okay, what's here spiritually? What's going on? How is that how is that impacting the sounds that are coming forth from this land? Yeah. the um a Couple years ago our church did an album recording at the Ryman downtown and the Ryman was a huge revival location in the late 1800s and it was special because it was uh cuz now the Ryman is like a venue Grand Opry was there and it's just been like there's a ton of stuff that's happened but one of the things that that my pastor said at

the beginning is like we're returning to its original design. And when you talk about Nashville, you Know, Music City, whatever, it's like we we seem to be returning the land back to its original design, which is to worship. Like if we don't worship, the rocks will start worshiping. Like that's what the land wants to do, right? Everything wants to worship all the time. And you seem to be a really really important voice. Um which is funny cuz I don't think you're like a musician. I'm not at all. just like like go figure like the scrolls

like but you're an Important voice because you're actually teaching a lot of musicians how to not just write a song and publish it but write things that will return the land to the original ancient order of worshiping God. And I mean it makes me want to be I always didn't want to be a musician and it makes me want it makes me grateful for the gift of music cuz that there's a partnership invitation if you understand what's happening. Um anything you want to add? Cuz I'm just Going to go off down my list of questions

for I just think it's really cool what you're doing. I think it's amazing. I love that you're in Salt Lake but your impact on Nashville is is citywide. Like a lot I've talked to a lot of musicians and they know who you are. like, "Oh, we love Laura Sanger." And I mean, we've talked about this plenty of times, but even like the church I do worship at because of your episode, like your the stuff that you're Doing has literally made it easier for us to get into, as we've talked about on the show, like the

presence of God just from changing the frequency, the tuning that we tune our instruments to. We changed it. Two, uh, I think we listened to the episode. three other people in my church listened to the same episode I was listening to that you did with Blurry Creatures about 440 and the hertz and frequency stuff and um we changed it and literally a couple weeks after we Changed it from 440 I know you suggest 444 but I end up doing 432 which ended up being great for me people in our church started coming up to me

and literally these are just some are older some are younger and they were like hey something changed and we're used to the presence of Lord showing up but there's been something different that's happened the past month and a half. That's awesome. And they had no idea that we had changed just the frequency. And That's literally worship is a it changes culture. It changes everything. So I think it's really cool and there's a lot there's definitely a lot to unpack, but it's making a lot of impact already. So well said. So frequency warfare, if that maybe

how you would could define it. Mhm. Um, how deep have you gone into like when that started in America? Um, and the like specifically the frequency shifts that have happened. You Can't even get like most recording gear to get into 444. I mean, you can, but it doesn't sound right. Like, didn't you have one of your audio didn't one of your interfaces like break when you tried to record? It doesn't break, but it doesn't work well. like it's very difficult to get it to to move everything into 444 and then like if you're recording you've

got your your in out that doesn't like moving things to so you can move like software Instruments to 444 if you're not a musician you have no idea what we're talking about but it's fine but freaked me it it like it doesn't it doesn't want to do it essent it's almost like the the hardware doesn't want to it's not designed for it yeah that doesn't surprise me okay why well so if we go back Um, in the 1930s, the Rothschild Rockefeller Alliance, they began funding scientific studies to look at how musical frequencies can Prepare the

masses for war. And that's because they wanted to um control people. They they want that mind control programming. And so in 1938, there was um a gentleman named Harold Burrus Meyer, and he was a theatrical designer and a sound engineer. and he began developing techniques that would control the emotional response of audiences and to create mass hysteria. And so from there um you have this you know this Rockefeller Rothschild alliance what they were doing is um not only were they looking at ways to steer the masses but they wanted to change the standard tuning of

a to 440 hertz. So in 1939 um they began funding Joseph Gobles who was the Nazi propagandist and at that time Joseph Gobles he wanted to change the standard tuning of A and so he organized a meeting in London to do that. Now up until that time the standard tuning of A was set at 435 Hertz and that was from a conference in Vienna in 1889 but they wanted to shift it to 440 hertz and so um radio Berlin approached the British Standard Association and asked if they would organize this conference in London which was

a total setup um in which you know the powers that be had control of what the outcome was going to be and they didn't invite any of the French musicians because uh they were opposed to 440 hertz. And then The organizers of the conference, you know, they interviewed the musicians, the instrument makers, the physicists and then also um the sound engineers. And if any of those people were against 440 hertz, then they weren't invited to the conference. It was all controlled. And you know, as a result, it's not surprising that the standard tuning of a

was changed to 440 hertz. And that happened June 1939, just months before World War II broke out. And the timing Of that is no coincidence because 440 hertz is a destructive frequency. And that, you know, it can retrain our thoughts um towards disharmony, disruption, and disunityity. And it really, you know, What year was this? 1939. Okay. Super quick. So this was after the Have you looked at the rife machine? I have. Yes, this was after that where you had that doctor using frequency to destroy bacteria. Remember what year That the rife was? I have it

pulled up. It's 19 um 34. He used the machine. So, I'll just read. He knew that everything vibrates at its own actual frequency, which we know this now through quantum physics. Um he believed that if he could discover the frequencies of disease-causing microorganisms, he could destroy them with the same vibrational frequency. And in 1934, he used the machine to cure 16 terminally ill Patients with cancer. The first 14 recovered in 70 days. So he had all this research and then sounds like 1939. Mhm. So they would probably have been aware of this. So it might

have just it might have been like war and sickness together. They wanted the world to be controllable. Absolutely. Well, and I think um they got rid of him. Royal Reich is my hunch is that they they were the ones that took him out because, you know, he was curing cancer and they Couldn't have that because Rockefeller was big into pharmaceuticals and um that would destroy the pharmaceutical industry. So, it's all interwoven for sure. What were you going to say? I was just going to ask because especially for people who aren't musicians, I've tried to explain

it so I don't know how to do it well and make it simple. Do you know how to simply explain what is tuning A to 440? I have tried to explain it. When I tell People that they have no idea what I'm talking about. Do you know how to explain that to a non-m musician in a simple way? Um, as a musician, it would be hard. How? Let me ask Chad. Can I give it a shot? Yeah, great. That'd be a nonm musician. Yeah, that would be that's the best person to explain it. I'm so

sorry. You' be the best person to ask, actually. Um, hopefully this makes sense, but my Simple understanding is like if my son who's a u plays guitar, if he were to pick up his guitar and his tuner on his app, Mhm. it's already set, all tuners are set to 440 hertz, right? So, when you go to tune your instrument, you know, you'll get the little green light that says yes, the what is it? The a in tune. It's in tune. and you just go through all all the strings. It's automatically tuning to 440 Hz. So,

what we found for him is there's a particular App, I think it's Guitar Tuna or something like that. Yeah, that's it. Yep. Yep. where you can go into the setting and just change it to 444 and then you pick up your stringed instrument and you tune to that and then you've automatically set your um instrument to 444. Mhm. Yep, that makes sense. It the the mechanical view is like it's basically how many times per second something Is vibrating. So like a guitar, everything we hear is basically stuff bouncing off of stuff. I don't know if

you've done the studies on like technically sounds never die ever. They believe that they go lower and lower and lower. But the So like what we're saying right now is a vibrational frequency hitting the air and bouncing off is bouncing off of this and it's and so you're capturing it and then that's sending a vibration out And so it's there forever. M. So it it gets the bounces get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, but it never fully goes away. So this would be controversial, but everything true is controversial. So I would assume it's

true. Like the things that were said 5,000 years ago are still just bouncing around, but you can't hear them because they're so small. Okay. So I have a couple of examples of that. Yes. So, um, in scripture when in Deuteronomy When Moses um or no, it's Exodus when they when they come out of the Red Sea and they're um, you know, they watch the Egyptians get swallowed up. Mhm. Uh, Moses releases this prophetic song. Well, in that song, he sings very specific things. And one of them is that um the hearts of the Canaanites will

melt in fear. Um they'll melt like wax. That type of stuff. Yeah. And so then 40 years later, so that song reverberates throughout the generations 40 years Later when they the spies go into Jericho. Rahab um declares three of the things that Moses spoke and prophesied in that song. And you look at the Hebrew words and their exact Hebrew words that she used about, you know, they were um they were shaken in fear to the point where they were trembling and they were melting. And so it reverberates throughout the earth. And and that's one of

the things that I've been um the Lord's been giving me that message that When we worship, we are actually doing war not just here and now but for generations to come. Exactly. Yep. So when I was in Philippi um on this trip in Greece um I had an incredible experience. So, um, we got to go to where where Paul and Silas's prison was, and we we get up to where the jail cell is, and I just have this profound encounter with the Lord, and it's the land itself, like the worship that they Released in that

land when when they were um jailed, you know, they had they had been stripped in the marketplace. They had been flogged, which you know, Roman floggings could include being beaten with a metal rod um on their feet to the point most of the time people were crippled from that. That or they would beat them all over the body and most people would die. So, we don't know the extent of it, but we can be sure, you know, the Romans were brutal in Their punishment. So they were polleniles were stripped naked, they were flogged and then

they were thrown into prison and um their feet placed in stocks so they couldn't move. And at midnight when you think they would be completely exhausted. I mean I would be passed out from sheer pain and exhaustion. Yeah. There they were. They were worshiping and they were praising the Lord. So much so that the sound that they released shook the earth. And when I was there, that sound like I didn't hear an audible sound, but I felt it. I felt it in the land. And I just I when I got there, there was tons of

people around. And I went to the to the opening to where the jail was. And then I just pulled back and I sat there with my eyes closed and I just wept because of the worship that was offered up in that place. And it was still reverberating in the earth realm. And I had to pull away because, you know, There was just a lot of people. And I thought I was in line and they kept interrupting. And so I went and I I just pulled away to the side of the hill and um just had

an experience with angels that kept coming and and bringing me things. And I knew it was connected to the worship that was there and that the Lord was depositing things in me that he wanted me to bring and I would know what it was and and when I was to release it. And so when we Worship, we have to recognize that not only are we worshiping the King of Kings and that worship is glorifying him, but it's also setting the captives free both here and now, but in generations to come. Yeah. And so when you

set foot on land like that, you feel it. Yep. Yep. Two things to add to that. So I think I haven't shared this full story before and I don't have permission, but there's somebody that I know that got radically saved. Uh moved into a house in Texas That was haunted, legitimate, and there were lay lines all over the place. And it was a they like he was seeing people. Um weird stories. We'll probably try to have him out at some point and share this, but the ministers that he found some obscure like it's so funny

cuz the the woman was like a spiritfilled um like deliverance person. He was like, I didn't know what that meant. I just thought that she could talk to spirits. She wasn't spiritfilled. We think of, oh yeah, that's Holy Spirit. And so he was like, if she can talk to spirits, maybe she'll be able to come out. She's filled with the Holy Spirit and she's um gifted in deliverance and she sang over the land worship songs and that's part of how she was like this is how we deliver and heal land is singing. It also makes

me think of why it's so important to speak with your mouth when you're because people sometimes are like I just Don't pray out loud because I don't want demons to hear it and stuff. And I'm like, look, the Bible says all the time over and over, like even in Romans, if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth, mouth that Jesus, it's telling us to speak that David is all over the place. It's like, I will I will live and not die so that I can declare the works of the Lord. Because sounds

never die. You have things that are in your atmosphere that if you do not speak them, you can't neutralize them. It's not just the changing of your mind. It's also the the speak empty. People need to speak the word of God out loud over themselves because something's going to have to go into the atmosphere and change the chemical ingredients of the atmosphere. Um, but back to the the how to explain tuning as well. I want to talk to you About 440 444. Jake's on the wide path. Unrepentant narrow. He's not on the narrow path. He's

in 432 right now. Yeah. Um, but because we know that these are basically the amount of times something vibrates, it's almost it's almost as if we're getting different things from different frequencies. Um, so like can you talk about 432 versus 440 versus 444 and the difference between those? Mhm. And how Do we feel it? Yeah. So, I had an experience where um I was meeting with some musicians and this was in Colombia uh Tennessee about two years ago and it was one of those moments where you just know you could feel the weightiness of it

like the Lord had summoned each of these musicians uh into a basement of an old old church. I mean, it was totally nostalgic. Even the smells I'm like, "Oh, this reminds me of My grandparents' church." But we were gathered there and we recognized uh the significance of it because to get musicians in the same room and it's not the Dove Awards uh can be, you know, that is impossible, right? It's the hand of God when that happens. Yep. And so we all kind of recognize the specialness of it. So I'm I'm speaking to them about

um the destructive nature of 440 hertz and um the beauty of tuning A to 444 cuz when you do four of the Self-edgio tones come forth and specifically u middle C is 528 hertz and that's known as the miracle tone. And so anyways, I'm I'm talking to them about this and uh Jeff Mathenina, who's a vocal coach and he's from Unhindered Voice, and and he had had somebody just send him uh guitar chords in tuned to 432, 440, and 444. And so he asked, "Can can I play this?" And I thought, "Yes, absolutely." You know,

this was one of those divinely Orchestrated moments where we could actually hear the difference. And so it was priceless like seeing the visceral reaction of the musicians. So they he played each one and what they they described 432 as being light like you feel um lifted or lighter. And then 440 just they said it hits you in the chest. It's jarring. And then 444 they described it as um almost like it's elevating you into another dimension. And so just um a couple of days ago I Was having conversation with Bay Turner and he talks about

um like he can clearly determine if something is tuned in 432 versus 440 and 444. And the Lord specifically has has called him to tune his music to 444. And he might be one of the the first in the CCM world to release music in 444. And how he describes it is he says 432 um is light, you know, it feels light but it lacks the substance. 440 is heavy. Um it It's void of life. It's jarring. And then 444 it activates. And for him it activates his spiritual gifts, but it also is paired with

the lightness of 432. So you have um both of those going on. And what's interesting too is is just seeing the the difference of, you know, what 440 hertz does to our bodies and how it affects us. And that's that's really it. I mean, it makes a lot of sense when you when you go back and you look at okay, the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, they were um first of all very instrumental in the Federal Reserve um but also wanting to enslave humanity. And one way they're doing that is through the music tuned to 440

hertz because it is destructive. Um, and I don't know if you want me to talk about re the research with that or Yeah. Can we while she's doing that, do you want to test it? You want to do a blind test? If you could find it. Yep. And then we could Overdub it. Yeah. Episode. Um there's so find it and queue it up for us and then let's hit the research and then we'll blind test it and maybe maybe a caveat on people are like do people need to worry if they're like SRRA victims or

anything like I don't want to cause anybody to have like with those different frequencies. Um I don't think so. I think that would be okay. Okay. And if they do you'll just guide them through deliverance if my word I Think actually I found it. Do you want me to play it now or do you want me to overdub it later? Let Let's hit. Well, we have to play it now because we want to hear it, but you'll have to overdub it on the top. I want to hear the research first and then let's feel it

in the room. Um, okay. You can share some of the research. So, um, as far as looking at uh the destructive nature of 440 Hz. There's a couple of uh research articles. One was published in 2021 and This was in the journal of ecological engineering. And what researchers did is they looked at the effects of sublethal and lethal highfrequency sound exposure on water fleas. And so they exposed them to 440 hertz and then 432 hertz. And what they did is they measured heart rate and they measured um fertility. And so the water fleas that were

exposed to 440 hertz uh they developed a dramatic decrease in their heart rate and also infertility. But even more alarming was A couple of weeks after the study, all the water fleas that were exposed to 440 hertz, they died. Then there's another study looking at um the effects of 440 hertz with uh humans. And this was published also in 2021 in the International Journal of Human Sciences. And what they did is they just looked at um people's mood after listening to music tuned to 440 versus 432. And what they found is that people reported an

increase of negative mood After listening to music tuned to 440 hertz. And so um what's interesting too is that this was more pronounced in men. Now if you take a step back, I didn't really talk much about the Nephilim agenda, but um if you if you think about this depopulation agenda that's out there, it is part of the Nephilim agenda. And you think about, well, what better way to depopulate than to render the masses infertile and also to stir up anger and rage in the men that could Lead to war, right? Dang. Uh, it reminds

me of the test they've even done on water with playing certain types of music with water. or I sent Jake a picture of this uh earlier today where just putting a bowl of water and freezing it with certain types of music changes and and if it's like if the if the music is has bad lyrics in it and it looks ugly and if the music has good lyrics in it, it looks good. And it's so weird how even The water kind of responds to the intention of the the music. So you have like frequency, you

also have intention, which I we have to talk about after we do this because what you have a lot of power in is being able to help somebody um reduce the the idols in their own heart and clean their intentions up and make sure that they're single-minded. And I want to talk about that because for people Who are leading worship and even for people who are not leading worship with the with an instrument, but they're leading worship with the business. Mhm. fell as CEOs who are worship leaders with their business. And if their heart's not

put together the right way, you can not only mess things up for yourself, but you can poison individuals around you because you're pushing out your dysfunction. Okay, so this is fascinating. Let's move to application. Um, people are like not playing guitar. They're like, well, this is interesting, but what what are we supposed to do with some of this? Is the point just that there's been an agenda weaponized against us or should we not listen to music if it's not in 444? Like how extreme do you go with this and how do you protect yourself from

it? Well, I think it it goes back to the heart posture of what does that mean? Um how are how are people holding Themselves um in relation to God? So for example um there are people who are Christians who um you know have more of the world and the culture that shapes them than the word of God or their relationship with Jesus. You know you have people who go to church for more of the entertainment or the performance aspect. So they go to church to watch a performance rather than, you know, you show up to

church recognizing that that you want to have the heart posture that Can host the presence of God. You know, we want to go to church believing that we're going to be transformed rather than going just for the social aspect of it. So that's some of it. The heart posture I think also is removing the mixture from our lives. Now that is a difficult process. That is the process of sanctification and that's a lifelong process. And one of the things that um you know as the Lord began showing me These things uh my spirit will have

me pray these dangerous prayers. And um oh boy in 2014 I began praying you know Lord show me the mixture in my life. And you know, I have to say I I thought I was doing pretty good with the Lord, you know, and and I was I had a good relationship with the Lord, but I didn't I wasn't prepared for what the Lord showed me. And you know, it's it's been there's been times where it's been agonizing Recognizing how easy cuz I've been involved in ministry for coming up on 33 years on and off in

different, you know, um different ways, but just recognizing that there have been so many times where I've led with my soul rather than my spirit. And so when when we lead with our soul, that's when we can get into false light. Um, and what I mean by that is I'll just give an example of um, you know, one of my Romans 12 redemptive gifts is mercy. The other one is Teacher. So with mercy, you know, I feel other people's pain. It's like a radar for me. when I walk into a room, I can tell the

person or people that are like in internal turmoil. And that's I think that's why I became a psychologist once I realized that I had this gift of mercy. And so what happens for me is sometimes um you know my emotions will get stirred and that will activate mercy in me and then I'll act upon that. And what the Lord was showing me is when I Do that, I'm actually leading with my soul because our soul is our mind, will, and emotions. And so if emotions is what's triggering the mercy, and that's okay if it does,

but from that point, I need to say, Lord, what do you want for me to do with these emotions that I'm feeling that's stirring the mercy? Because what would happen is I would just assume because I'm doing something good with the mercy that God has given me, it must be what he wants. But I Wasn't asking him. And so that's leading with the soul. And I'll give you an example just tangible so people know what I'm talking about. There was this person that I collaborated with a couple of years back and um you know we

did one collaboration and he reached out um and asked for another you know way that we could collaborate. Well with any opportunity I bring it before the Lord whether you know it's something I really want to do or not. I just ask the Lord Do you want me to do this? And if he says yes I say yes. And I have to say he has told me to say yes at things I would never have said yes to. Um but I'm grateful just in following his lead because he knows the big picture. So um I

thought that I would hear a yes because I enjoyed collaborating with this person and I didn't get a clear yes. I didn't get a no, but it was it was kind of like a cautionary. We'll just say a yellow light. So, I I decided To hold off in responding until I knew for sure it's what the Lord wanted me to do. Well, then I happened to see this person at a conference. And while I'm um at this conference, he tells me about something tragic that happened in his family. And it stirs the emotion in me

and the mercy. And so after we talked about, you know, what had happened, he asked then, um, hey, what about that collaboration? You know, would it work? And I said, "Yes, let me when I get back, um, you know, from this conference, I'll reach out and I'll give you some dates and we can collaborate." So, I'm back home. I'm walking with the Lord. And the Holy Spirit says, "You didn't ask me. You said yes to him." And it was because of the tragedy that he went through. It stirred the emotions in me because the collaboration

would have really benefited him and I wanted to help him Because of the trauma that they had just gone through. And so it wasn't like I was doing something evil or anything. I was doing something good with the mercy that God that got stirred in me, but it wasn't directed by my spirit first. It was souldriven. And so that is when we lead with our soul, we allow mixture in our lives. And so part of that for me was recognizing um these times where I've done that and And coming before the Lord with a repentant

heart and consecrating myself. So practically um it's it's so important to be open to what the Holy Spirit wants to do. You know, we can just get slightly off course. And I think this is what happens with, you know, we've been seeing some of these bigname um ministers fall, you know, for in various reasons. And in the beginning, you know, we just get slightly off course. But if we don't Surrender to the Holy Spirit and the course correction of the word of God, the further down that path we go, the further and further off track

we get. And so being willing to ask the hard questions like, "Lord, show me where am I off track? How have I how have I drifted?" Um so that he can constantly bring us back on track. I think that is so important. It's amazing. So you're talking about the Gifts Romans 12 6-8 where he's going through the various types of uh gifts. Do you know what what your gift is between like prophecy and the the five-fold? Yeah. Um no, it's different than the five-fold. Let me just read it for you. Go for it. In his

grace, God has given us different gifts for doing certain things. So if God has given you the ability to prophesy, speak out with as much faith. This is the right passage. Correct. Um if your gift Is serving others, serve them well. If your gift is teacher, teach well. So that's your second is teaching. If your gift is encouraging, be encouraging. It is giving. Give generously. Is God giving you the ability of leadership ability? If you have the gift for showing kindness or compassion, I assume that's the mercy. We'll probably translation differences. Yeah. Um, so it

seems to be like that might be service though. Service. Okay, keep reading. Let's see. That's the end. Um, oh, that's the end then. Yeah, that is mercy. Yeah, I think it's I think it's mercy. So you have prophecy, serving, verse seven, encouraging, teaching, giving, leadership, and mercy slashcompassion. Yeah. What do you think? Uh what are mine? Yeah. Probably prophecy is in there, even though I it's hard for you to accept that, but that one. um kindness, Compassion, generosity, some leadership in there as well. What would you say from your from your perspective? I think leadership's

definitely in there. Mhm. Don't you agree? Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. Well, we will argue about that until you accept it, bro. Telling you that ever. We're gonna get him. Okay, let's switch gears. Can we switch gears for a second? Yes. I want to I want to break this thing open. We're going to go let's Go a little bit level deeper because worship is so predicated on the intention. Um we have a lot of people who are worship leaders and you don't have to have the abilities to judge someone's heart to be to say

like I think they're worshiping themselves. I think that people move to Nashville the it's like a giant principality of agenda over Nashville. They move here to get ahead. It's about who can I connect with. your Net worth is your net worth. It's like, oh my gosh, like just meeting meeting and there's a lot of I think there's a demonic agenda behind that. And if you just go up a couple of verses in Romans 12 uh vers uh Romans 12 3 God has given me a grace to speak a warning about pride. I would ask each

of you to be emptied of self-promotion and not create a false image of your own importance. Instead, honestly assess your worth by Using your God-given faith at the standard measurement and then you will see your true value with appropriate self-esteem. Self-esteem is probably fascinating for us to go into later as a psychologist. But then this is where Paul says like some people are the hands, some people are the feet and knowing where you are. Mhm. How would you advise people to be able to walk in their gifts Passionately without worshiping their gifts and doing what

Lucifer did, chasing the charts, chasing the promotions? This seems to be an interesting and difficult balance. I think it has to do with walking, you know, some people walk in the fear of man, meaning they're concerned what other people think about them. And so it's about pleasing others or, you know, how many how many likes do we have on our latest post or how many views do we Have? When we're chasing those things, we're chasing after the wrong thing. We need to walk in the fear of the Lord. And what that means is that we

have a proper awe and reverence of who the Lord is. And we recognize that we are absolutely nothing without him. You know, John 15 talks about that he is the vine. We are the branches. We must remain in him. Otherwise, we're we're nothing. And so, when we recognize that it's only by the grace of God that we Can do the things that we're called to do, then that puts us in the proper um perspective. And when we have an audience of one, meaning we are only after pleasing the Lord, then that's the worship. That's the

sound that comes forth from us. That's a sweet smelling aroma. And there was a time in worship just at our church. Our church is growing leaps and bounds. Um we are right smack next to everyone cuz there's not a seat available that kind of Growth. And um I love to worship exuberantly. And so I will dance, I will shout, and I sometimes I'll jump up and down. In fact, I've torn both calf muscles in worship. That's actually amazing. I I was on a parasite cleanse. I do have to like give that caveat. And apparently that

made an effect, but papaya. Ah, that's how you deal with parasites. Okay, ask me how I know. Just eat the seeds. Nice. It'll never happen again. So, just, you know, I love to be exuberant in my worship. Yeah. Well, one time, um, the Lord challenged me with like, I don't know about you guys, but it's hard, as much as I try, it's hard to focus an entire just one worship song entirely on the Lord and not even if my eyes are closed, my mind wanders all over all over the place. And so what the Lord

showed me is that when I'm focused on him and I'm releasing that worship unto him, it's like this sweet Aroma that's billowing up before his throne. But when I get distracted, it's like there's this cap and it doesn't reach him. And so now my goal is just one song, like one entire song. Can I focus on worshiping him? Um but it it it takes that um walking in the fear of the Lord. So we have an audience of one and that is what gets people back into the right mindset because when it's about pleasing the

Lord, he's going to bless whatever we do because it's unto him. It's not we're not trying to, you know, boost ourselves up. We're not trying to reach the top of the charts. Have you ever done it wrong? Have you ever found yourself in a season of fear of man? Oh my gosh. Yes. Yeah. So, you've been corrected in this. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And you just kind of take it. That's You just Do you repent quickly? Are you like a fast repentter or a slow repentter? Like, how do you I'm quick to repent once I

see it For sure. But there's times where other people can see it and I can't. Um there was another time, this was years and years ago. Um, we used to sing a song about um like getting up on the altar and burn out the dross. That's a dangerous song to sing. And so in prayer one time, I'm like, Lord, I just I surrender to your altar. Like burn out the dross in me. And he he spoke three things to me. But each time, like the first time he spoke Something to me, it was about um

oh my gosh, I used to be so controlling. Um so in my relationship with my husband, I would ask him, "So how how are your quiet times today?" And it was because I wanted him to have the type of quiet times that I had. And I I thought he had to do it the way that I did it for it to count or to matter. And I say that and I cringe on the inside. Well, I couldn't see it at all Cuz I was operating in control. Like other people could see it, but I couldn't.

So when I asked the Lord to show me the dross, to burn out the dross, he told me that I was holding back Tom in his growth in a relationship with Jesus because of how controlling I was. And it it wrecked me. Like I literally felt nauseous. And then the Lord said, "Are you ready for something else? For me to show you something else?" And I Was like, "I don't know. I don't know if I can handle it." And so three times he asked me and by the end I was just a complete wreck. But

I needed to see those things and that's part of the sanctification process. And now thankfully the Lord has brought a lot of healing in our marriage. And I've um the Lord broke me from that spirit of control in the midst of corporate worship. No one prayed for me. And I um it was after uh a period of time where I Had just really gone through what I call dark night of the soul cuz our youngest son nearly died on several occasions and it it wrecked me. And I just remember being in the midst of corporate

worship and I heard this snap like wood snapping over your leg. I looked around cuz it it was audible to me. Um but no one else around me was uh even responding like they didn't hear it. And so I asked the Lord what it was and he said I you just got delivered from that spirit of Control. And from that point forward I had to it felt like I had to learn to breathe again. like everything I was doing was from that spirit of control. And so that was wrapped up in the fear of man

as well. It was if I control how my family looks and responds, then that will reflect well on me. And so it was all about this fear of man stuff. So the Lord definitely had to to deal with me on that. But again, it's it's like, are you willing to pray those dangerous Prayers? cuz he definitely takes you up on it when you do. Yeah. I found that every time I've had a deliverance experience, I have had to relearn how to live. It's because these things work their way into your central nervous system and they

become not only we think about like a crutch is something that we we're only going to use for a time like while a leg is broken or something. But it's like if a crutch was like welded onto you and now it's hard to to know How to walk without it. Um, I think it's fascinating that you said, you know, you had to relearn how to breathe again because when you get delivered from a a fear of man or you get delivered from mammon, like people are literally Christians worshiping money. And then when you were delivered

from that, you realize that your body has almost your your body's changed through the the traumatic effect of having to sell out to something and you don't know How to live anymore. How long did it take you to figure out how to breathe again? Was it a Is that the con the the sanctification you're talking about? Like Yes. Yeah. It was an interesting experience. It almost was um a little bit like how people would describe an out-of- body experience. Like so I'd go through normal life being a mom, being a wife, um and a situation

would play out and the old me would want to respond in a certain way. And the first step that The Lord showed me is just shut your mouth. Just shut your mouth long enough that he could rework my neural pathways. Yes. And so by shutting my mouth um it gave me opportunity to see a different way of responding and then gradually I would begin to respond in that different way. Now did I do it perfect? No. There were times certainly I slipped back into old habits, but just simply by pausing and giving the Holy Spirit

that Opportunity to show me a different way of responding. And it's like, you know, when you have this dysfunctional dance, you've got to get off the dance floor and learn a different dance move. And so the Holy Spirit was teaching me a different dance move in relationship with others. How how does he want me to to show up in relationships because I was presenting the way that I wanted to? And that was very controlling. And so it was it took some time for sure. That's I Think I think that should help people a little bit

because the moment that you're set free is not the moment where everything like everything changes in a moment but it requires a process to like your your neuroplasticity doesn't change instantaneously. It's got to take some time. You get all this myelin wrapped up in old behaviors and slowly those begin to starve out. Um are you good? We keep going. Yeah, I'm good. You're quiet. Any things you want to talk about? You're Going down a thread, so I'm you you keep going. I don't have questions so far. Have you ever had a moment where God gave

you a particular song to worship to over and over and over again or play over and over again? Like just to connect the two ideas together with the neural pathways in music? Has God ever taught you how to use those two things together? Yes. I mean, oftent times, um, I'll wake up with a song in my head and, um, I'll Go and worship to that throughout the day because I know that's what the Holy Spirit is directing me to. Um, I love worship. I live for worship. Yeah, I do that all that happens to me

all the time. And I'll if I want to hear from God, I'll sometimes go to my worship playlist, hit shuffle, hit play. Have you ever done this? Mhm. And then like the song that comes up is like exactly what I'm praying about in the moment. All of our all of our senses, God will use all of them to communicate with us. And that's how um that seems to be how the agenda that you write about in your books. They're they're weaponizing all all five of those senses. Uh whether it's the things that we taste, food

is a big one. Have you gone down that rabbit hole yet? Yeah. This is messed up. We're just eating poison, right? The things that we see. Mhm. And then but not not many people are talking about frequencies. Um, have You gotten into the cryptologology element of music when you have different pieces of music? The tuning is one element, but then can you feel when a certain song is like drenched in submission and in the presence of God? Like can you tell the difference between the two from a from a clinical standpoint? I don't know about

like cryptologology. I'm not familiar much with that. Um, but there's definitely songs Um there's this one song uh better. It's called better and it's um Charity Gail's new worship album Rejoice. And when I happened to um have opportunity to be in a live recording of her worship album and when Derell sang this song, it definitely something shifted in the atmosphere during that song. And it was um I like vertical I call it vertical worship. I think other people do as Well. Um where it's just straight into worshiping God for who he is. Um, I mean

there's a place for the horizontal worship as well, but I much prefer the vertical. And this song took us into the into the throne room, the presence of the Lord. And it was like revelation for worship. And when that happened, um, it, like I said, the atmosphere shifted and I could taste a glimpse of what it was like to be in heaven worshiping. And I never wanted that moment to end. I it Was it was like I could stay here for the rest of my life and be completely content. Well, that was that worship was

also warfare because it was a power encounter. I met with some um intercessors from Colombia um afterwards. That's where that worship gathering was and two psychic operations closed down after that worship set. and and that just um it shows you the power of our worship when we engage in that worship in spirit and in truth. Yeah, That's awesome. I would recommend everybody to start um to start marking out times in their calendars. I'm just going to get practical for a second and then we can follow wherever you want to go and then we can go

application. But sometimes the most powerful thing that you can do whether you are a musician or not is go somewhere where you feel safe, turn some music on and sing as loud as you can and just keep singing. I'll never forget there was a a couple of Weeks ago I was sitting and praying about some things and I I have trained so hard and I've worked so many years on like trying how to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit that when it shows up I can hear him. And uh the Holy Spirit said go

upstairs and worship. And I was I don't have time to do that. I was kind of like I'm praying right now, which is completely rebellious, but I did it anyway. I was like, I'm going to pray. And he said, there are there are doors That will open for the voice that sings that will never open for the voice that speaks. Get upstairs and worship. And sometimes it is the moments when we feel like it the least that we have to learn how to sacrifice and sing through a moment and worship through a moment. And I

think that um the aroma you're talking about is the sweetest when we have the least time for it, when we have the least, you know, desire for it. It's Because it's that's costly worship. Mhm. That's the worship that could get you. That's the worship that could hurt your reputation. That's the worship that could cause you to miss out on business deals. You don't have time for it. That's the Davidic worship of like he's being made fun of by his family for it. You know, you're like breaking your calves worshiping. It's costly. There's something to and

not I don't know why it's not that difficult. You turn it on Your speaker, you go to your closet and you sing. you begin to sing and you sing some more and you sing some more and I just I would I would literally challenge the intellects that are watching this just disprove it. If that's your motivation to disprove it, great. See, if you can figure out a way to worship for 20 minutes and not feel different. And if you can disprove it, if you can be the one person in history to disprove it, great. But

it changes your whole Life. Would you agree with that? H what do you I'm curious on what you guys' thoughts on in terms of worship as an altar. It's an altar. That's my thoughts on it. Obviously the more of the concept of like what is the almost exchange that you will that's happening at the altar of worship. Well, we'll give it to you first. Have you studied altars? I know you've studied lay lines. Yeah. Yeah, a little bit. I would say um what's interesting is Um when there's worship in spirit and in truth, you can

open up portals. And portals can be either positive or negative. Meaning you can have angelic activity because you've you've opened up um a a portal through worship in spirit and in truth, but you can also open up portals through false worship. And when there are portals of false worship, obviously you have dark entities um coming through there. And the Lord has um given me opportunity at times to Cleanse those portals because they they can be cleansed and and reversed. And how the both times I've done it, the Lord has given us the strategy of you

just simply worship me in spirit and in truth. And it closes off that that portal to the demonic entities. And one time it was um in Torino, Italy. Uh I went there in 2005 uh to train some of the local churches um because they were they were hosting the Winter Olympics. Salt Lake City Hosted the Winter Olympics in 2002 and um we did a whole lot of spiritual mapping for in preparation for that. How do you prepare your city um to be protected from the spiritual dynamics that come with the Olympics? And so anyways, I

was in Torino training some of the local pastors and we were staying with some friends and in their home was a portal and how did you know? So they have a really large um guest room and in that guest room people would come, you Know, from all over because they were from the States living in Italy and people would come visit and their guests would have reoccurring nightmares. different guests would have the same nightmare. Got it. And when they told our friends, they realized, okay, this is a portal. Now, when we arrived, I I was

a youth minister at the time. I brought three youth with me. And I didn't know there was a portal in the room. And I had two of the young girls Uh stay in this room. And when my friend shared that there's a portal, um she didn't show us where in the room, but we could discern it, walked right to it. And we just asked the Holy Spirit for direction like what do we do here? And he said just worship me. And so we entered into that space and just worshiped until we felt the shift and

could feel the presence of the Lord. And that um that was able to cleanse that portal. But what you have is um you know The the occult the um luciferians they understand the importance of opening up portals and territories and altars um for their activity and and that's what the false worship is all about. So you think about we want to open up that those portals through worship in spirit and in truth. You can have portals in your home if you have a a spot or a location where um you often go to worship. Um

you you are opening up the heavens by doing that. Yeah. So a portal Uh is correct me if any of this sounds off based on your research, but getting back to your question, a portal, we've talked a lot about altars. Mhm. Portals are transport, altars are exchange, but they can sort of portals seem to be more legalistic. Altars seems to be more power ranking. So like to to so an example, anytime in the Old Testament that an altar had to be uh undone, they would Have to destroy the altar. There's you don't close it, you

just destroy it. You burn it. You you have to like eliminate it completely. think portals can be closed. It's more legalistic. You can close them. Uh worship is an altar that will close a portal. When Yahweh shows up, anything else that had legal access is moving on. So, one of the like the best altar, the best altar ever is the altar of salvation. The highest ranking, most Powerful altar that has ever existed. When someone gets saved, it closes up a lot of the other altars around it. It will not always close the portals though to

kind of go through and altar of worship is up there with the altar of salvation, altar of generosity. So when people have things where they get a lot of money and lose a lot of money, they get a lot of money, lose a lot, they can never fully like it's a repeat pattern of like financial Loss. um you see stories of somebody building um generosity in their lives and it ends up sort of closing up any of the deities or things that are messing with it. But I'm really fascinated about lay lines because I've never

studied lay lines. That's why I was asking you about that earlier. Studied so much on altars like so much. The lay lines seem to be almost like geographical. They are. Yeah, they're geographically aligned. like you Have high places that are geographically aligned and there can be a lot of activity along that and so another story back to Torino. Um so a spiritual grid is a bunch of lay lines connected over a region and people might have no idea there's a spiritual grid over their territory but they still experience the effects of it. And so um

when we were in Torino uh it was intense. First of all, Torino is the witchcraft capital of the World. It's the um intersection of two uh magic triangles. Um so you've got the the black magic triangle which is London, San Francisco, and Torino. And then you have the white magic triangle, which is Leon, Prague, and Torino. And so as the apex of both of those witchcraft triangles, it's earned the reputation of being the the witchcraft capital of the world. And so when we first landed, I felt the intensity of it right away. And we were

doing ministry And this was the first time these youth were overseas and they just like 3 days into the trip, they just needed some care like they were missing home and you know that sort of thing. And so you know we're staying in um this place called Pachetto and it's absolutely gorgeous. Everything you can think of, you know, Italian village, rolling hills. And so we go and walk down in this valley um you know just to take them for a walk. I want to care for them, love on them. And We're walking and all of

a sudden I see with my spiritual eyes, I see all of these like objects or beings or particles moving away from me at top speed. And I liken it to um the scene in Star Wars where the Millennium Falcon goes into hyperdrive and you see all the stars coming at you. Well, that's what I saw only in reverse. Now, thankfully, um, one of the other girls, she experienced the movement through her body, so it brought confirmation. Yeah. Um, well, one experience that we all had was the presence of a distinctive foul odor, much like the

smell of sulfur and manure combined. You could smell it with your nose. Yeah. All four of us could smell it. And we looked around. There was no cows nearby. I mean, there was nothing in the physical that could explain what we were smelling, but all four of us smelled it. And I had, you know, one of the guys on the trip, um, he's very discerning, the kind where, You know, he takes five steps and he's got like a shooting pain. And so, we would stop and ask the Holy Spirit, okay, what's going on? What do

you want us to see? Well, through that experience, the Holy Spirit showed us we were in the middle of a spiritual grid and he wanted us to sever that lay line. And so, um, we did a prophetic act. This this, um, guy, he picked up a stick maybe, you know, 6 in long is all. And he held it up over his head. And when he Did, he nearly fell backwards. And I saw in the spirit this huge sword. And so, he took it and he severed the layline. And then we thought we were done. And

we kept walking and again like five steps later he gets this shooting pain. And so we stop and we ask the Holy Spirit like what what did we miss? And the Holy Spirit said, "You didn't invite my presence into the void you just created." And so we invited the presence of the Holy Spirit and the smell changed Immediately to this fresh pine scent. Wow. And so we we knew that we we had accomplished what the Lord had set us out to do. And so when we went back to tell her friend about what had happened,

she actually wasn't surprised because she said the locals talk all the time about the energy field in that valley and people travel from all around to experience it. So that was our first experience of a spiritual grid. But lay lines um you know they they infuse you Have these power points all throughout a lay line and they infuse it with spiritual power. And how they they keep that spiritual power going are acts of false worship, rituals or bloodshed at those high places. People have to like it's so easy to listen to this for the first

time and be like spiritual power like what what are you talking about? And it's like first of all the current the spiritual currency has been around a lot longer Than any financial technology any uh it outlives science. It's like this is all the stuff that was first and I think it's actually an agenda that we've forgotten. I think it was programmed to try to get us to forget and to reduce the importance of some of this stuff. Are there any lay lines in America? Oh my gosh. Yes. Yeah. Well, what's interesting is um some of

what we do with spiritual mapping is um we are asking the Lord, Okay, where are spiritual gates? Where are portals? where our lay lines that we need to pay attention to. And so we're directed by the Holy Spirit to discover where those are. But what you get is sometimes you have people in the new age doing energy work for example or grid work. You'll hear that term. And so if you were to do a search of lay lines on the internet for example, you'll get a whole map of lay lines. But I don't I don't

put any credence in that because I Don't know the source the spiritual source by which that was discerned. And so um what we do with spiritual mapping is we um we do the research which is like digging into historical documents, obtaining demographic data. We interview local people. We look at old newspaper articles and then we go out and we do what's called reconnaissance. And that is where we take teams of people out onto the land to discern what's happened there. And through all of that, that's When the Lord begins to unfold where these lay lines

are. And then we keep track of them. I think a lot of the new age stuff is coming from sacred geometry. Mhm. Um which is similar to how new age has taken um astronomy twisted the astrology piece and we're running like predictive stuff off of the zodiacs and all of that stuff. It's not necessarily that geometry doesn't work. It's that it's a replacement And any replacement will become an idol and any idol will build an altar and any altar will open up portals. And so you can you can imagine the dead ends that that'll take

you into. So you're being strictly like we're going to ask the Holy Spirit where to go. Yes. We're not just going to run our own mathematics and build a spreadsheet. Right. Right. Yeah. And you know, one one lay line I can talk about um is the 33rd parallel. Um and that you know, Mount Herman is on the 33rd parallel. Uh you have Disneyland on the 33rd parallel, Club 33. Um and I I believe Walt Disney chose that land because it was part of the 33rd parallel. You have um Roswell, New Mexico, which was, you know,

the crash of a UFO. outs on the 33rd parallel. JFK was assassinated near the 33rd parallel. You have the 33rd president um Truman I believe it is. He was um he ordered the bombing of Nagasaki and that was on the 33rd Parallel. So you have a lot of bloodshed, a lot of um activity with um fallen sons of God or Nephilim along the 33rd parallel and they are empowering that. But the Lord um you know he brings people to release worship on the 33rd parallel to reverse that and and to cleanse it and to infuse

it with his power, his kingdom purposes. Yep. Well, we Jake's got something he wants to say because I can Yeah, you're going to say it. You're going to say it. Um just to Put a bow on the on the thing. I would just caution people. It's not that sacred geometry and seasonality and personality profiles, these things are not like wrong because you'll see God use them. So you'll see God use um Dantria numerology, the cross, the fib Fibonacci sequence, like all of these would all fit into like sacred geome hexagon spirals. Um, but I think

God's like it's important to know where something came From and to not try to push God out of the equation. And that's what a lot of people are doing when they're trying to get into energy study and consciousness studying. We've done episodes on consciousness. Some Christians are like, "Oh, consciousness. Nope. That you have a consciousness. You can't villainize the whole thing." We should we should know what it means. But if it ever becomes a conduit for us to like get out of submission and do Something our own way, God will become it will be a

territorial thing. So I think people should be really careful not to take what you're saying and like go try to back door their way into it. Chances are if you tried to like tackle a lay line without the Holy Spirit, you probably wouldn't be sitting here, right? You'd be all sorts of messed up. And and it's really important to do it in the Lord's timing. I have made those mistakes. I've gone outside of the Lord's timing to tackle some of these high places in the region that I live in and it did not end well.

Did you say Mount Herman was a on the 33rd? Yes. What about Mount Carmel? Oh, no. That would be interesting if Mount Carmel's on there, too. Got Elijah killing everybody. Redeeming the lay line. What questions do you have, Jake? Um, to go back to music, what I'm thinking of is the I know for me, I did I was actually Just telling you about this at lunch. I spent the entire year of 2023, part of 22 and part of 24 listening to the same worship album for a year straight. What worship album? Uh, Live in the

Prayer Room. Jeremy Riddle. Jeremy. It was I think it's like 11 or 12 songs. I listened to it all year long. That's all I listened. It was the only thing I listened to. And I noticed a huge difference in my house. I noticed my mood was better In the car. When I was on the phone with people, I sounded different. My personality was different. How I worshiped was different. And so, one of the things that I'm really curious from your perspective is like from a 30,000 foot view, what do you see as the current agenda

of of like secular music now? How has some of that even perverted what's in Christian music now and what needs to change? It's a very loaded Question, but from the from a bird's eye perspective, like what do you think is music is being used for and how it's being perverted and how do we get back to the good stuff? Yeah, great question. Well, with respect to worship music, I think what's happened is we've seen industry mix with worship. And what does that mean? Um, like the music industry, how you how you produce worship, um, the

culture of worship industry has come in and taken that um, and has tried to take That over. And so you you'll see um worship teams that uh you know start out with that heart of worship just want to be worshiping the Lord, but then money comes in and fame comes in and it begins to pull them off off track. Kind of like what I was talking about earlier. We can just get slightly off track and we always need that course correction. Well, so um what you have is you have some of these bigname labels buying

out um the smaller Christian Labels and these bigname labels are trying to buy um the I forget the term the indie Yes. But um when you when you write a song like the original song copyright the original rights. Yes. um they're trying to buy that out from people and so um musicians can sell their original song, for example, the rights to that. Well, when that happens, um the these bigname labels are buying up worship music. And so what that means Is that if there comes a day, let's say, when a bigname label decides, we don't

want any more of this worship music, they just simply flip a switch, so to speak, and no longer can that music come out because they have the rights to it. And that's how in that's one extreme example of how industry has infiltrated our worship. And so there's um several musicians uh within you know the Christian music world. Um Kim Walker Smith is one. You know Mike Daddy Mike With Big Daddy Weave. You know these these uh musicians that I have opportunity to um be friends with. We are the Lord is moving um these folks to

remove mixture from their lives, remove mixture from their worship. And it's a delicate balance for sure because you want to be able to have your music heard by folks. So, how do you get it out there without signing and coming into contracts that might be ungodly? And so, It's um it's a difficult balance. And how do you how do you encourage people to think about the music they're listening to? Like if you met somebody for the first time and they're like, "Hey, what kind of music do I listen to?" What would you tell them to

listen to and why? Well, I think understanding first of all the impact that words, so the lyrics have on our bodies. And this goes back to what you were talking about with Intention earlier. So, Maseru Emodo, he you know did a lot of research on water molecules and the impact of um the messages positive messages or negative messages on water molecules. So if we consider conservatively, you know, our bodies are made up of 60 to 70% water. Well, it makes sense that water or words, sounds, and frequencies impact us because they carry a frequency. And

what he did in his study is he looked at, you know, the impact of positive negative Positive messages and negative messages. So he taped um strips of paper that had words on them to a water bottle and then he measured the crystallized form of that water molecule under a microscope. And what he found is that the the structure of the water molecule changed based on the messages it received. So words like love and gratitude form these beautifully perfect water crystals. Whereas words like you fool or hatred formed like even a chaotic looking ugly Water crystal.

Well, what this shows is that blessings are lifegiving. They have the power to create beauty and to heal. Whereas curses have the power to destroy. And so when you think about if just the written words have a frequency that changes the structure of the water water molecule, imagine what lyrics do to our body. So, what lyrics are we listening to? Um, you know, I would encourage people even with, you know, we're our bodies absorb Sound and frequencies through every pore. It's not just through our ears. And so, what we are listening to, what we're watching,

whether that's TV shows, movies, music, social media, environmental frequencies. We literally are programming ourselves with the information we take in. And so we have to be very careful guarding our thoughts, guarding what we see, what we expose oursel to. Um so I would encourage people when they're they're Looking at like what music should I listen to. Um for me personally, I go to those musicians that I have um relationship with and I know their heart. And so that's the music I encourage others to listen to. I also because um I I believe that there's a

healing property in tuning a to 444 hertz. But not only that, prophetically I believe the Lord is saying there's it's time for a shift to 444. I have a growing list of musicians that tune to 444. So I send folks that as well. Well, that's interesting that you say that you listen to those you have a relationship with. I was just telling uh Heather, my wife, I was like, I only listen to four artists and I know three out of the four. Mhm. And I've never caught that before. That's so interesting. Yeah. What is that

guy that's in 432 the fourth? I don't I don't listen to his music consistently, like almost ever. Who are the artists? Uh let's see. Jimmy Riddle. Um Jonathan Jonathan Hutcherson. He's a country artist, but he's a worship leader. He's amazing. Uh, Forest Frank. It's a hu I love Forest Frank. It's like huge. He is Oh, I love Forest Frank. What's the for What is it? Oh, Josh Adams. Shout out to Josh Adams. What's funny is that I listen to each different of their music for different places. Like Jonathan Hutcherson plays a lot of Taylor's business

events. People love country. He's he's a great dude. Plays country. I love playing Forest when I'm playing pickle ball. When I have Forest Frank playing, the presence of the Lord fills that pickle ball court and I kid you not, I have seen people lose I have seen people with visceral reactions when his music turns on like to the presence of God or other people get a lot of joy. And then with uh Josh, I love playing his music in the house. It's just chill. It's like it's just beautiful. And it's not all then Jeremy's pure

worship stuff. He's the guy that had the album on the Psalms, right? Yes. Yeah. Yes. I The fact that I remember that speaks to his uh Oh, it's so good. You know him? Yeah. Yeah. I know. I just don't know Forest. Tell him that I love his his Psalms record. Yeah, I will. A lot. Yeah. Do you know Phil? Do you know Phil Collins? Uh Phil Collins is in the I Can Feel It in the Air Tonight song. Yeah. Yeah. We should meet Phil Collins. That way we Can go 247 Phil Collins. The Tarzan soundtrack

non-stop. Yeah. Sorry, I'm telling jokes in your moment. No, that's all I got. You have anything? I want I want us to end this with this question. What recommendation would you give people to make sure that their hearts are correct? How do we do it tactically? Not like not like uh ethereal high level, but like in the dayto-day, what does it look like to be able to keep your heart uh submitted? You mentioned heart posture. Like what what does that look like for you? How do you do that? Well, I think it's praying those dangerous

prayers. Another one is Psalm 139:23 and 24. Um, that one, you know, search my heart, oh God, and see if there's any anxious ways in me, all that. That is another dangerous prayer. Another dangerous prayer that I've been praying and the Lord takes us up and shows us. Yep. Um, it I think it comes Back to time spent with the Lord. Um, and that's how, you know, when we surrender our time to him, we allow him to have um say in what our day looks like. I'll pray and ask the Lord to order my day

however he wants. And he loves to just rearrange things in my calendar, my schedule. It's just daily walking with him. It's it's surrendering to him in every aspect of your life. And so, yeah, I think it's it's praying those Dangerous prayers. Time in his word, time before him. Love that. Cool. I'm going to pray us out. We good? You God, thank you for Dr. Laura. Thank you for the gift that you have given us today to spend time with um with one another. I pray that you would uh continue to lead her along this journey

and to anoint her mind and to anoint her her lips, be able to be able to share this message with people. We ask that people who are listening to this that are um in a Season where they're trying to find you that you would give them an extra sensitivity when they turn on a a worship album or when they sit on their couch and they begin to pray. I pray that you would respond to them and that you would sweep them up like she mentioned earlier. You sing over them that they would feel the presence

of their their dad singing over them. I pray that you would use this to equip and mobilize a generation of people who You're calling to release your frequency on the earth. It's a new season and I pray that you would give people the songs, the lyrics, the melodies, the things to say and when to say them and that you would give people the gift of Holy Spirit creativity. She would anoint the musicians and anoint the business owners and anoint the moms and anoint the dads to be able to speak the things of God over their

cities, over their businesses, and that you Would honor the the words that come out of your kids' mouths. We love you. We give this all to you. We thank you for today and help Dr. Laura close the lay line at the Parthonon. Amen. That's where you're going. Close it up. It's over.