let's bring in journalist Tay who knows Diddy and defense attorney Arthur idala Who uh represents gain Maxwell which is why I brought it up about um the Epstein case Okay celebrity té let me start with this celebrity a and celebrity B obviously the plaintiff knows who those people are what does that mean in terms of the storytelling of this if big names start getting dragged into it for not just knowing what did he did but doing it with didd he I mean I definitely know that that is something that people are hungry for and they
want to know who else is involved and there some there's this sort of puant desire to see other people brought down in this and surely puff did not do all this alone there are other people who need to be held accountable for creating a web of enabling and protecting him while he did all these sorts of things but I'm not sitting here waiting to see like who else's named the big fish in this situation is Puff he is the one if the government story is correct if the complaintant stories are correct is the one who
is initiating these incidents and is wrapping other people up in his Madness uh you know Tony Busby in all of his lawsuits he's the one out of Houston doing 120 keeps talking about a sexual quid pro quo that puff created where people understood in order to get to be a singer or a producer or what have you in his Circle you had to go along with what he wanted you to do at night so you know he's the big dog in all of this and these other stories I I get it I guess but it
seems very like gossipy when we have this very real very frightening story right in front of us it is until you put two words made into one after it subpoena and Arthur this is what people thought was going to happen with Epstein that you know did he's not Epstein in terms of let's say the level of money guys and international guys that he was running around with but their big names around him and you get a subpoena and you got to become become part of this litigation and it's about what you knew it can really
take it to the next level this was what everybody thought was going to happen with Epstein and then he killed himself well yeah but Epstein was the criminal case let's keep in mind all these allegations you're talking about are not in criminal in a criminal court right now they are in a civil court and the subpoena power is much weaker in Civil Court than it is in criminal court but Chris I you know the story with the 13-year-old would break anybody's heart it is a 24y old story and in the and in the complaint it
says that she has suffered every day over the last 24 years it makes you wonder why she never complained to anybody who would have brought her to a lawyer or to law enforcement any one of the days in the past 24 years the other story Chris is that the guy is drugged to the point where he's performing oral sex on someone else and I don't know if any drug and I've done cases like this as a prosecutor and as a defense attorney where you're so drugged where you're performing oral sex on a man so you
know I know JD's going to have some great lawyers around around him who are going to be able to question these people all of these cases with the hotline numbers make me nervous they did it against my client Harvey Weinstein if you know something about it dial800 Harvey and tell us your story and you're G to get a big payday and that's what uh that's what P got lawyers got to think about is whether this is just a big money grab well listen I appreciate you both on this uh the only thing look we'll see
for me it's certainly not puruan interest it's what does Diddy do to try to get him s out of trouble and that's when this story will go to the next level we we because look tray if he doesn't want to take a deal where he's going to be gone for a long time you know he he's gonna have to offer something to these guys I'll give you a last Quick thought on that you know that's not a real option in this situation he cannot explain some gigantic conspiracy that is larger than the one that he's
in he's not a midlevel kostra who can tell you how John Gotti actually gets this stuff done he doesn't have a bunch of information that he can give to law enforcement that will s change their understanding of the criminal underworld he doesn't have any information that he can talk and get out of this that's that's a that's a weird fantasy that people keep bringing up that like he's gonna name some names and somehow that will get him out of the like no that's not that's not available to him well we'll see and I hear why
you're saying it t but we'll see where it takes us T appreciate you very much Arthur idala thank you very much hey thanks for watching go to join nn.com to find newsnation on your screen and don't forget click the red subscribe button below to get more of news nation's fact driven unbiased coverage
