and when I was flying for the airlines in my you know in my late 20s uh I had Pat you know I'm standing there at the door greeting passengers I've had passengers remark them oh my gosh there's babies flying this airplane you know because I look like a little kid when I was almost 30 and you know and I I always make some snazzy comment like yeah it's career day over to high school I thought I'd come over and check it out yeah hi welcome to the pro pilot Playbook where we give the tips tricks
and hacks to become professional Pilots faster and cheaper I'm Mike Martin and I'm Sean Richie yeah thanks for tuning in we've got a another great episode today the uh uh questions keep piling into our email we're getting you know a lot of great ideas we've been doing some interview videos and everything in the meantime all these uh questions keep uh popping up so what we'd like to do is hit a couple good ones that we've had in this video um we've had some feedback saying hey maybe you should do shorts with questions we may get
into some of that but but right now we just picked some of the best ones and we want to run through because I think the answers to these would be beneficial to you know a lot of our viewers but again we love the questions we love the support you know we get emails from people saying how wonderful um or we're helping them that's encouragement to us we like uh we like encouragement um and and then all the questions are great and it really helps us review those and decide what podcasts we're going to do and
uh we love we on that note please like And subscribe to podcast uh uh because as that builds the YouTube algorithm that builds momentum helps keep me and Sean excited to bring a great material right and if you're you know if if you are watching us and maybe this you haven't this isn't your first time here you've watched this a few times and you realize that hey we may be actually helping people and dropping some good information right uh you know hitting that subscribe button and the like button you know that helps the uh push
to the top of the list so other people can right and share these videos too to the people that might be interested in aviation that you you know yeah yeah might be thinking about it but uh and speak of speaking Mike of uh people getting excited about us and you know engaging or whatever oh yeah from what uh I think you told me a few days ago somebody else another song Oh yes somebody else another side is you on the road I I gotta tell to all the viewers now Sean is starting to get jealous
I think he is because I'm constantly being stopped in fbos and and no and and no one ever stops him so please when you see him out at an airport please stop act like he says ask for his autograph because I'm sitting in that Delta Lounge I don't hang out in the FBO I was in Upstate New York and uh I was standing out in front of the FBO talking to the other pilot and a guy walks by and he just stops that in his tracks when he hears my voice and he's like hey I
know that voice so you might I'm like you're a great guy I think his name was Kenny and his family with him it wasn't even exciting it was a listening a listening yeah maybe he's a Spotify guy I don't know but uh yeah he uh uh he ends up uh stopping me and uh it was actually we were waiting out front because the passage were going to pull up so I didn't get a chance to give him a tour of the airplane but um you know certainly if you see me and there's time or you
see Sean say hello and then we'll uh we'll see what we can do as far as maybe uh showing you the thing but yeah yeah Kenny was great he had his whole family there he's second career guy making the change you know um very encouraging you know uh good luck yeah yeah and we're getting the information out there that these uh uh these uh video you know this pilot sword is real and people can really do this so you know I know it's helpful to a lot of people it's kind of a cool airport that
I saw him at it's called Rome New York rme it's up in uh Upstate New York and this place was something else man it's the the runway there it was an old B-52 Air Force Base Griffis Air Force Base and uh the runway 200 by 12 000. uh so it's 200 feet wide at 12 000 feet long oh is this an airport where they had that um the when they redid Woodstock yes and the disaster in the 90s yeah yeah so there's a there's a Netflix uh uh uh show about what the re making of
Woodstock where they did it is at that airport and he had a lot of bad things happen but yeah but it's a cool airport you know to see that and that's where I saw uh saw those guys at so uh but yeah yeah love it love it so Sean I think you got you've got a good question here to start off with yeah yeah so to get back into our old question episodes here we're combining we're gonna do two of them at once today because they're their similar subject and and topic and and uh I
don't know we'll just get into it here okay the first one's from uh I'm just gonna go ahead and read them both and we'll go through this stuff uh first one is from JB actually it looks like his name's James James thank you for the question the subject is question about covid policy and age hi guys really enjoying your podcast on YouTube I just had a couple quick questions what is the airline's policy on coveted vaccine these days are pilots at the airline still required to get the shot if so how many shots are required
to be considered vaccinated are corporate Pilots required to get the shot uh if so how many shots to be considered vaccinated any other info regarding the shot uh for Pilots that you think is relevant would be greatly appreciated my second question is about age I am 56 which I know is a little late to be starting for a job at a major airlines but from watching your videos a corporate Jobs still may be an option my question is there any ageism when it comes to hiring Pilots would the person hiring rather hire a young whippersnapper
that has Years or or somebody has years and years of flying uh ahead or that has years and years ahead flying ahead of them instead of an older pilot that doesn't have quite as many years of flying ahead of them have you seen any ageism happen uh during your career one more quick one one more quick one he says do corporate Pilots get hired right out of school or is there a minimum number of flight hours your credit be hired like the airlines easier referring to the airlines which require 1500 hours um and then he
uh that's pretty much the end of the question oh he does say this um which uh he's talking about watching another video but then he says I know I got to get out there and take action like you guys always say in your videos looking forward right keep up the good work oh man take action man implementation is key man you know that's uh you you yeah you can't you can't just sit around man you got to do something yeah yeah so if you guys are watching today just go out to a small airport and
walk around start talking to people or whatever just get in the mix getting the mix that's uh that's a good thing but all right you know the second one real quick real quick for you okay I think because I think they're so similar um it'll we're gonna overlap on some of this sure go ahead and read the other one this one's from Joshua and Joshua says hello Sean and Mike I just started watching you guys your guys videos on YouTube and absolutely love all the information you give I'm currently doing the ground school for my
private Pilots license and once I get that Foundation under me I want to get a corporate pilot position as quickly as possible my question is how soon after I get all my certificates will I be able to get to a to a good pay scale I'm currently making 85 Grand a year salary but work around 50 hours a week I'm a CNC programmer for an automotive manufacturer and I've worked in a factory since I was straight out of high school and looking to do a career change I've always loved airplanes but my biggest fear is
letting my wife and two-year-old son down with taking on this huge amount of debt we currently only owe on a house we just finished building and uh in Tennessee other than that absolutely no debt hope uh you can answer my question look forward to hearing back thank you for your time and keep the videos coming great question yeah these are all really good and uh and JB or I guess I should I should call you James uh but you guys Mike I think we're being um Typecast or pigeonholed into just being corporate Pilots here and
and uh all these guys I don't know maybe because that's what we talk about a lot a lot of the our emails our questions are you know folks wanting to be corporate Pilots right uh yeah yeah that's not necessarily uh you know we really want to be pushing for both and as a matter of fact the more I don't know the the state I don't want to use the word stable but the more reliable numbers and information that we can give probably is from the airline uh point of view uh because in the corporate world
it could that can mean anything you know that could right that could mean flying for a huge flight department at Coca-Cola or it could be flying around in the right seat of a a little turbo prop King Air you know yeah of course you could also do both you could use your corporate experience to get to your 1500 hours and then go to the airlines where absolutely we're right now to the Regional Jet Pilot a regional airline pilot you know they're throwing you 50 to 80 000 bonuses just for going with that company instead of
their competitor and you're making pretty much damn near 100 Grand a year out of the gate at these companies now but yeah to get into the actual answering the questions these guys got we're good at digressing you know I I the vaccine question I think we should address that first because sure uh uh it is to certain people it's a huge freaking deal I mean you know certain people it it would actually just rule out a career in aviation for some people because some people feel very very strongly about this issue regardless of your views
and we're not going to get into any of that we can talk about um how this has affected the industry and things so um in my opinion and I'm not an expert on this subject matter but it is all kind of dying basically the vaccination thing it's pretty much done it's pretty much done I haven't when that was going on there was there was Airlines when it was hot and heavy you know and you know all of your major Fortune 500 companies were requiring employees to do it of course the airlines were requiring Pilots to
do it except for a couple they were a hand few of major airlines that didn't want anything to do with it they weren't going to force it um but there were others that were and when that was going on the chatter on the you know on the Facebook pilot groups and just in our industry it was everywhere and I haven't heard a peep out of any of it in a long time which leads me to believe that they are done with it I don't want to sit here and say that there is no there isn't
a major still requiring it because there's a possibility there is maybe one but I I don't think that it was I should preface all this with when they were requiring it the ones that were requiring it I had heard several first-hand stories of people not having to take it with a religious exemption or some other thing they weren't it wasn't a black and white nope you can't work here thing they were working out folks they were working with folks that didn't want it um and like I said there were some Majors that didn't even want
to touch it and were not requiring it whatsoever yeah yeah that sounds about right and the the common theme in the corporate world was well we're we're not going to make it get it unless we go somewhere where it's required right right if you're if your vaccinations status prevents you from getting your mission done as a pilot then we we got a problem so I I you know I haven't been I've been in that's meaning when you travel internationally sure and you know I I haven't had anyone ask for my vaccination card uh since I
I did have uh I was doing some international travel to the islands in the height of covet and they would check your cards um but but now I mean I don't I haven't had anyone look or ask have you had any no no and I was I was just in Costa Rica not too long ago and they were one of the countries that were that was really pushing they no it's I think it's pretty much done um and I I don't think it's a concern whatsoever great question though because it's possible some other people are
thinking that but right it's nothing to be concerned about the stop you from pursuing this if it's if you're one of the people that didn't want anything to do with it don't no keep chasing this thing right keep chasing it down yeah yep cool so what was the next all right so he was talking about ageism uh James is also asking about have we seen any ageism uh and I my response to that directly is no I haven't seen any ageism what I have seen is um more of uh I don't know what kind of
ism you put on this but there is a little bit of a taboo or in the the guys that retire from the Airlines and then want to go corporate and I've actually experienced it firsthand of these these guys that spent you know 30 years at the Airlines and I decided they want to go do corporate stuff and you know at that point their mid-60s pushing 70 and you can do that you have to retire from the Airlines at 6. and then these guys want to keep doing something and then they come over to our world
Mike you know do this corporate stuff and um I've I've seen this firsthand you know training guys and and uh we actually had to let a guy go from our company that uh that they have a difficulty keeping up at the at the speed we move not not the aircraft speed but I mean how we have to you know we are the forward face of everything you know in what we do at the airlines you gotta you got a ticket counter person you got a gate agent right you got flights you got people cleaning the
airplane you got people that figure out what fuel you're doing you figure out your flight plans yes I mean at many airlines you don't even I mean you could ask requests to put more fuel on the airplane but uh you're not touching that fuel that's already been figured out by a licensed dispatcher in our world we do everything all of those items cleaning the airplane even if something breaks we're organizing and making sure the mechanics out there fixing it so these guys that spent 30 years doing an airline Pilot's job were the only responsibility you
have is you know having your butt in that seat at whatever time it says on the schedule everything else is done for you those guys have trouble transitioning into our world after 30 years of doing that and I think age may play in of that but I've never seen somebody not get hired because of uh age um in my experience now it could happen at the airlines like a 121 like a you know a Delta United American um I don't know if it's pop and they would never advertise this I'm just speculating this is Sean
Ritchie speculation it's possible that if you rolled into Delta uh reunited you know as a 59 year old right there may be some apprehension to hire you when they got a room full of uh 25 to 35 year olds in about to be interviewed behind you I don't know though that's that's a wild speculation and probably something I shouldn't even have said well you know no my my comment would be very similar to that in that I haven't seen it I really haven't corporate is different than Aviation it all just depends on the particular employer
so it depends on that preference of that employer if there is any bias there um so I have actually seen different conversations with different owners and operators that um you know some guys like to see older guys um yeah some guy some companies may have had issues with uh with older guys in the cockpit maybe you know I don't know metal medical I'm making this up but like uh you know it couldn't fly or or just thought they weren't with it or something um and then they want to see younger guys in the cockpit uh
because they think younger guys are reflexes are faster and all that stuff a lot of people with a lot of money are older and yeah and uh they can relate better to to people in their age group it's just it's it's just it's just a natural thing right people can relate more to people in their age group right if you're in your mid-40s you want to talk to other people about their kids that are older if you're in your early 30s you know you're talking about things that people in their early 30s do which is
have babies and they're sleeping up up all night and that that thing that can relate to that and then if you're in your 20s you know you're you're uh you know going out and partying and stuff and and maybe you like to talk about that so when you look at the demographics of uh jet owners um you know it takes a lot of time to make a lot of money it generally speaking so the James I've had it go both ways too you know I uh I've had passengers tell me I've had a co-pilot with
me who was significantly older than me at the time you know he had some gray hair going and I had a passenger comment like hey it's night I like to see a little gray hair in that cockpit and I'm I'm 46 and I've always had a bit of a baby face on me I came from the factory with and when I was flying for the airlines in my you know in my late 20s uh I had Pat you know I'm standing there at the door greeting passengers I've had passengers remark them oh my gosh there's
babies flying this airplane you know because I look like a little kid when I was almost 30 and you know and I I always make some snazzy comment like yeah it's career day over to high school I thought I'd come over and check it out yeah yes but it goes the other way too I had an owner real quick on that point yeah owner here in Cincinnati I flew his jet and he had one of these single pilot jets that Premiere the premier jet that I I fly there's probably only two or three guys on
the planet that have more time in that airplane than I do and I'd fly it all around single pilot and he was an older gentleman but he liked the fact that that I was a little younger he didn't want the guy with gray hair because I was single pilot he's like yeah yeah you know you're young you're young and healthy and you take care of yourself and you know whatever he wanted the younger guy in the cockpit so it goes both ways I would not get hung up on it I guess is the point yeah
yeah there's cases for both so yeah yep yep um it uh James your next question here is also uh pretty much the exact same question that Joshua or Josh is asking and that is the um Can somebody ride out of flight school with minimum hours become a corporate pilot instead of like the airline guy who has to get to the 1500 hours and that is a great question I'm so glad both of you asked that uh because yeah yeah we're gonna dig into this a little bit so while you were talking Sean I was thinking
about these YouTubers and their their witty things they give people to like And subscribe so I was thinking I could have said well we're talking about the jab in the arm you should jab the like button yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and and regardless of how old you are you're not too old to like And subscribe our channel right right so anyway continue go ahead right right right right okay all right so um Can a corporate guy go right into a job absolutely because corporate is in that part 91 world if
uh we've talked about this over and over again the the separate slivers of the industry the part 121 Airlines the part 135 Charter the part 91 corporate or private jet World which is what Mike and I are in and that is uh absolutely you can go right into it um it's in our program that we actually sell we go into some great detail on this for someone who wants to skip being a certified flight instructor um although it's you know we don't recommend that it is a possibility using this uh so with something as little
as a commercial instrument and multi-engine rating uh if you could have right around you know Technic you know less than 300 hours between 253 and 300 hours and uh you could get hired by somebody to go out and sit right seed in a jet it's 100 legal and uh people do it all the time as a matter of fact that the aircraft management company that that I work at slash co-run um that's one of our little things to get guys and and we we bring them in the guys that are probably flight instructing a lot
of them were flight instructors and we put them in the right seat of these Jets and and uh it's awesome for them and it's good for us because we can get an employee that's that's green and we can train them up the way we want just like the military does with people right out of high school we can teach them the way we want the job done and uh and it's uh you know we can get guys a little cheaper than than somebody who already has 4 000 hours and it's type rated in four Jets
and you know they're going to be wanting you know significant whatever it works out for everybody I guess is my point I'm trying to make um and you don't have to be pigeonholed into that corporate job either um some guys like corporate but you know to answer your question more specific Joshua you know you could go that route get to the paying job and there are country parts of this country where you can make a good living as a flight instructor too you know we just had that retired uh the retired Coast Guard guy on
that interview he was saying out in California was it California or Phoenix um flight instructors are making 150 an hour that that's phenomenal money but uh that's what yeah that's what it takes to retain a flight instructor out in that area because it's saturated with corporate Aviation and these guys are getting their commercial instrument multi and running off to go sit in the right seat of a jet for somebody instead of flight instructing um so you could do that corporate job that low-time corporate job or there's other things you can do there's mapping jobs there's
there's a whole slew of something yeah a whole slew of low-time pilot jobs uh but you could do one of those until you reach your 1500 and then run off to the Airlines and like I just mentioned in the beginning of the video you know get that bonus for uh your new higher bonus and be making some good money and you're not going to sit in that Regional Jet job very long before you're at the majors and now we're talking that you know that's where the big doe is you know that we're yeah totally totally
yeah yeah and and you know this kind of ties into this the the other viewers question that's good that about you know he's in a current job what he says making 80 000 or something 85 000 is a CNC programmer so those machines that that cut and shape metal into car parts sounds like yeah that's good yeah it's a good mechanical background so um I I you know um these are the paykeys coming up on these entry level jobs and you know uh now you gotta have 1500 hours for this but those Regional airlines are
somewhere I offer huge signing bonuses 100K right yeah like that yeah if you're already there's different tiers of it like they're even they got they got some um bonuses that uh you know if you're the guy that's already flying for another airline and you're a captain you know they're giving these guys 150 150k to leave that company and come be a captain for their company you know stuff like that's going on too but uh you know we should dig into what Josh is asking a little bit here Mike because he's talking about this huge amount
of debt and you know we were we were talking about in the free video that we have up on our website right now if you guys go check it out um he put in your email address and watched this video we talk in detail about the program that ATP the pretty much the biggest flight school in the country right now what they're hooked up with the uh was Sallie Mae or Freddie mixed the education stuff up with the real estate uh because they're Candyman Freddie Mac yeah yeah but yeah that thing is a it's a
deferred payment doesn't start for a year um after you're done with training and uh man that's and and you can start with zero hours um so a year after you're done with everything and have a job then the payments start coming in and it's you know not a big deal right and the other thing Josh uh you know because you say here's here's something that's key that you know made my ears perk up as I Read 50 hours a week you're not even gonna be in a fraction of that as a pilot so even if
you do that first flying job that you take because it's in your backyard and it's only paying 50 55k or something for the first year because they're trying to figure out if they like you or something right you could be doing some contract CNC work you come in as a contractor or a right you know yeah and still be new shade you know you can get your paying benefits from your flying job and then negotiate with your old company you know whatever exactly some kind of part-time thing yeah right because everybody's short on skilled labor
so they're probably not going to want you to quit so you go back and say Hey you know on the days I'm not flying I'll come in and run these machines sure yeah sure yeah I mean I do not and I say this all the time you know and I think it's it it because as I get older I realize how more and more it's true you know we rarely ever do we regret the stuff that we did you know because you can always chalk it up to a learning experience right or hey if I
wouldn't have did that I would have never discovered this we hardly ever ever regret the stuff we did even if it's right I know this sounds nuts but even if it's something as crazy as a DUI I've heard some nutty stories about the path people taking life and the things their eyes were open to after whatever happened negative or positive or negative um it's the things we didn't do that's the stuff where we regret that's the stuff that stings and hurts right age so don't chase it's a hundred percent of this you miss 100 of
shots you don't take absolutely toss off the bow lines put the ship out at Sea man you gotta run take action we are in the greatest time ever to get into this industry don't worry about stuff like 85 000 85 000 a year that's going to be less than a quarter of of what you'll be making a year at a major airline significantly less than a quarter of what you'll be making and you'll already be working like 10 or 12 days a month so well let's put it this way Sean you and I started 20
years ago when it was the pay was awful and getting a job was awful and it was still uh because the ball was in the the ball was in the companies these these you know the employer's Court it wasn't in the Pilot's Court the pilots got the ball right now and yes totally yeah yeah yeah so so that was a um uh but even then even when it was so hard to do it when we did it it was still worth it somebody viewing today so rewarding yeah yeah exactly somebody's viewing it today which has
it 90 times easier than what we did um it's definitely going to be worth it yeah yeah so I I just I mean that's the whole purpose of this Channel and why we got it started so I really appreciate everybody watching uh we really quick tidbit tidbit on that 90 because I was about to say it may even the percentage uh from zero to one hundred percent may not even apply I think it's a hundred and forty percent easier because not only are these people falling all over themselves to hire you even the major airlines
because that was that was the key not everybody made it to the majors back when Mike and I were doing this now there's guys they went like years without even hiring yeah yeah exactly years ago if you made it you didn't make it to your pretty much 40 years old or past 40. now there's guys that are 25 years old getting hired at major airlines from the top to the bottom people fall in all these employers falling all over themselves to hire Pilots for major airlines all the way down to flight instructors but the machines
are easier to fly it is so much easier like technically and educationally or mentally easier to fly these airplanes everything's digital moving maps and and uh you know you're filing flight plans on an iPad or an iPhone and whatever when Mike and I were doing this it was everything was manual it was a big chart spread across the cockpit you know and you're trying to figure out where you're at and whatever based on your time speed distance equations of how fast you're going versus whatever wait a minute well we forgot about the 150 knot when
we have right now but you know and you're going VOR to VOR and now it's just GPS with a moving map so from the top to the bottom of this industry the best time ever to be a pilot hands down no argument there's no argument 100 agree yep yep and then and it'll probably stay that way until the planes start flying themselves yeah and we're always out from that which is coming we just got an email from somebody asking that question about the autonomous um Freight planes um and uh we're gonna do an episode on
that because it is something but nothing to be concerned about it's just at this point it's just interesting it's a little blip on the radar you know yep yeah thank you for the questions guys and hopefully that uh that answers uh you know that probably answers a lot of people's questions out there and and for one more quick thing on being 56 years old don't let that stop you remember there there is no age limitation on the corporate world you could literally that's right be a corporate pilot to you you know have a heart attack
driving to the airport when you're uh 93 years old if somebody's gonna if somebody's gonna keep you employed uh you can go as long as you want yeah yeah but uh yes if you got a question for us you'd like us to answer on the podcast you can email us at podcast propilotplaybook.com but uh other than that thanks for tuning in folks and we'll thanks we'll see you next week next week yeah [Music] foreign
