This Man Spent $2M To Become IMMORTAL | Health Special | Bryan Johnson | TRS

Nighttime erections like a really important Health marker men who do not have nighttime erections are 70% more likely to die prematurely this man spends $2 million annually to reverse his age meet Brian Johnson a tech entrepreneur and biohacker on a mission to achieve the body of an 18-year-old with a strict regimen of treatments Brian is redefining the limits of Aging through Science you're also experimenting things that you're putting inside your body just to test how the functioning of those different parts gets affected we reversed my thus age by 7 years but to do so we

used a human growth hormone and so now we had all the best science that humans have ever produced slow down my speed of aging and reverse aging damage I would actually love to Deep dive into the science of exchanging your blood with another human being you put a Needle in the arm and so then it translated into this plasma exchange throughout the body well yeah with my son he just gave me a liter of his plasma and I gave my dad a liter plasma will it become affordable for people 10 years later it's affordable now

is sexuality a factor that's being measured any aspect of sexuality I was doing this therapy and I was sitting on this device electromagnetic stimulation every time I'd wake up I was erect I spoke to my Team I was like you guys what is going on like why am I having so many nighttime erections actually women also have nighttime erections do you think masturbating is good for health uh I have a theory that emotions play a big role in this whole process you're correct and most people grinding in life believe they have to mder their health

in exchange for success and it's so strongly held that they basically hold themselves in a prison when you hear the First few sentences about Brian Johnson you think that that's a very weird story AR I think in your 21st or 205th year that's when people will value Brian I am likely to die very soon imagine you spend a majority of your adult life building a company that eventually gets sold for a lot of money $300 million to be specific gets deposited into your bank account but you sacrificed your health your happiness Your peace in that

pursuit of money that was the point that Brian Johnson reached during the course of his own life and post that point his life has been about a very special purpose the purpose is what people know as longevity or immortality Brian is using his own body as a human experiment he's experimenting on his own body in order to figure out the mystery called immortality the way he's doing this the techniques he's using it's all scientific it's all datab Backed I don't think I've come across a human who uses science as much as Brian does in order

to chase their life's Pursuit this aggressively this was a conversation that gave me a lot of perspective on what one's life's Mission should be that's what I hope it'll bring to you as well of course if you enjoy the subject of biology of biohacking of Health in general of lifestyle based conversations in general you're going to enjoy this episode featuring Brian Johnson but for those of you who've never come across any of his content I highly recommend that you watch the entire podcast you'd be surprised to know that human beings with this kind of a

vision exist on the same planet that we exist within this was a very deep and deeply perspective building episode of TRS enjoy Brian Johnson on the renb [Music] show Brian it's an honor hosting you on the renway show I'm happy to be here Thank you for having me how are you brother I honestly excellent yeah yeah what's up genuinely uh I I feel so much excitement for life and that's not always been the case you know like there life is tough and we all go through ups and downs I genuinely feel happy and motivated that

the future is going to be great I'd not seen your face or read about your story when I first heard your name on a podcast and I can't even remember which podcast it was or a Conversation and when you just hear the first few sentences about Brian Johnson you think that that's a very weird story arc and the human brain automatically criticizes that story but it got me curious because of the Whole Health aspect and the more content of yours that I uh downloaded into my own head the more my respect grew for you and

uh I think that that's how Human Society will be discovering you as well I think that people are going to understand you Much more with time and eventually and this is so kind of ironic I don't like saying this okay so pardon me if I'm crossing a line with you there's no line you can cross so okay say if you die at age 200 yeah I think in your 21st or 25th year that's when people will value Brian yeah yeah because everyone's valued more after they die yeah uh and I sincerely hope that you if

your goal is immortality I hope that you reach there uh but I'm sure you're going to try for It and I'm sure you're going to exceed 100 years for sure you're going to change something about the human Story You're contributing to science here uh but the point where you die I think after that people are going to realize what you're doing for a human society yeah yeah I'll yes and you yeah and I will say that I am likely to die very soon in the most ironic way possible likely getting hit by a bus we

know that irony is the Ultimate Force in society in in in the universe and so if I don't die some kind of ironic death something's off and so I I'm open to this idea um I'm okay with this idea I know uh you know if it happens the internet would love it you know just like bring people so much joy I'm okay with all of it and so I really am not attached to the seriousness of this whole thing like I definitely have goals and objectives and Internally that I feel so driven to accomplish them

also I'm just open to that we live in this gigantic Galaxy there are things I cannot control and therefore I'd much rather be at peace with it and so um but I me to your point that at what point in time do does someone's contributions uh become valued I do sincerely work for the respect of the 25th Century I I do not I really sincerely don't care what people think of me in today because I'm playing a Game that will matter hundreds of or even thousands of years into the future and so I don't expect

the respect to be in this moment I expect it to be uh for people to reject it I expect people to be confused I expect people to misunderstand me so I agree with you that the Endeavor I've chosen will be poorly understood and not respected for some duration of time totally totally agree with you gotcha in the Final Cut of this episode I would have already Covered aspects of your story in the trailer as well as the intro for you but I'd love for you to kind of just recap your own scientific story for the

audiences who are meeting you for the first time through this podcast so um can you like explain your story from the point of selling off the company at age 34 and if you're comfortable I'd love for you to talk about how much money you made uh by selling the company off and how that Money felt yeah I remember the day uh I made roughly 300 million from the sale of my company brain Tre Amo and I remember when it hit my bank account and I logged on and I saw the number and it was just

surreal my two boys were with me and I said boys come over here I need to show you something and I said you see that number that's how much money we have right now and they said dad what does that mean and I said well okay like your allowance you Know you get a dollar a week or whatever it was and you know we have you know 300 million of and so they're like what can we do yeah can we buy a car and can we buy and um it was this conversation where um I

knew the sale was coming I knew we were going to make money I knew the impact to my children was going to be significant more so than I could understand and there were two ways to think about this one is I read That parents sometimes hide their wealth from the kids especially young kids and when the parents when the kids get to a certain age it's like surprise you know the parents are very rich M and then other parents are much more transparent about it and so I chose the transparency path and I said um

we now have a lot of money and here is how we're going to behave as a family with this amount of money and I just built it into their psyche uh from the first day like we're Still going to be frugal as a family we're not going to buy lavish things like we're not going to spend in a silly way um but I I really I turned it to a teaching moment with my children um internally I was broke like just broken as a human um I didn't feel anything I didn't even care we had

money like there was nothing I wanted to buy there was nothing I wanted to do I was so depressed out of my mind that it just meant nothing to me and so I had been Pursuing this goal for 13 14 years I'd just been beaten down and um now I knew I had this freedom but I had no objective I was just like uh I was purposeless I was like I drift to Sea I was uh biochemically just in the depth of depression so that moment was very hard and so like trying to like redirect

my hopelessness into my children was a a a way for me to escape myself and try to contribute in some way to my kids what did that cocktail of sadness and lavish Wealth feel like I didn't care just genuinely did not care what did it teach you about life uh the why behind our existence matters so much more than the how and I didn't have a why so when you say the how you mean the processes the careers we attach ourselves to the missions we attach ourselves to but when you say the why it's the

layer of cake below the spongo yeah it's like you know we it's this whole situation is so Bizarre we're conscious beings on this floating Rock in space in this gigantic Universe how did this come to be and what do we do and it was just that was the omnipresent question of my mind and I had grown up in a community where I was it was a very religious community and they basically said like this is reality like you existed before this life here's why you're here on this this planet and here here's what happens after

life and like here's all the rules And here's how you understand like basically a rule book that gives you all the answers to life you don't need to figure anything out you just need to learn what you've been told and then when I realized that I didn't believe that that that was like I have been fed this narrative then you basically are left with an entire void you have no understanding of what why existence is or what to do about it and Then you become much more aware of you can say okay so I can

see like this pocket of people like this like capitalism says like this is a system to make money and become wealthy and buy things and do things and become productive and invent then you've got religious Frameworks and you have societal Frameworks and so I was then I could look at it from this objective perspective what are these systems and what are they offering how are they Depicting reality and that's when I became consumed by this question of what is the riddle to solve existence and throughout time various people have tried to do that so I

mean Buddha right made the observations like hey life is suffering and therefore we should detach ourselves and here's the eight-fold path and then other religious Traditions kind of sprung up you know muham Muhammad said submit to God and Jesus said I am the Son of God uh Adam Smith was like hey there's this invisible hand for markets and and capitalism and economics and Mark was like no it's really class Warfare then America was like no we the people it's like various Frameworks have like come up in various societies and that's not all all of them

of course like more and I just wondered in in 2024 is it possible that a new framework to understand reality would emerge that none of these things that previously Were invented would ex would be equal to this moment and I became obsess with that question is like is there something that doesn't exist that should exist that solves the riddle of existence at this moment but where did that first seed of this new Mission kind of sprout in your head how did it get placed was it a conversation was it a story you read like why

are you on this path it was uh leaving the community I was born into gave me this detached perspective That we're most things we believe are not things we chose to believe they're things that um we were told to believe and then I scrutinized everything I could survey in all of society and say like do I believe in anything that society says like literally anything outside of my body taking breaths every few second that it doesn't want to die do I think anything in existence is believable you know some things are stable like physics And

math but outside of that when you walk into the the realm of human narrative do I believe anything and what's the reason to believe anything gotcha so there's a quote that comes up a lot on our show because we do a lot of spiritual episodes the quote goes something like everyone has a god they just call it a different name that's right so what is your god science my God is existence existence that existence is the highest virtue gotcha so it's Something that the rest of your life's actions are catered towards enhancing existence and the

outcome of that is this whole anti-aging game yeah right when you try kind of giving a practical uh attachment to the word called existence we're talking about scientifically reversing aging yes fair to say yes okay can we go into a little bit of science at this point let's do it okay uh to quote he talks about how the most complex Concepts in the world can uh be understood much better when you apply first principles thinking on them and if that becomes the uh steel frame of your thought it's much more powerful than uh the scaffolding

that people use uh to describe large thoughts and the scaffolding is usually Jing yes so I'd love for you to take the concept of anti-aging and explain it from a very basic level and perhaps a cellular level because our Entire body is just made up of cells yes right and if you learn how to take care of that one cell you're probably working on the building blocks of anti-aging yes and I'm assuming that that's the starting point of all these other procedures that you're putting your body and your mind through yes Fair say yes so

can you explain the ABCs of anti-aging yes yeah uh before I do that just one uh quick reference point is like if you look at Humanity let's say That people in the year 7,000 are looking at the past you 25,000 years orless I say next like the last million years and they're just looking at a timeline of intelligence and they point back to the early 21st century the time we're living now and they're just like putting identifying big things that happen through time and it's like oh of course in that you know 30 or 40y

year window Homo sapiens figured out they no longer were going going to Die so I'm just saying like on in this moment like we can talk about these very granular topics of health and wellness and sleep and diet and exercise but on a really big time scale it seems so obvious that in the future whatever exists will look back and be like oh yeah of course like they died before and then they figured out how not to die m that easy and that's the entire thing I'm saying is if you look at this in the

Big Arc of History this is the moment as a species where we are transitioning from Death being inevitable to being able to extend our lifespans not to immortality but just that we can begin extending them at a certain Pace where we can say this is interesting and if we keep on extending 5 years 10 years 15 years we may be able to live for a very very very long time we're not quite sure how long and so that's entirely what my Endeavor Is is it's a reimagination of what life is when death is no longer

inevitable gotcha and you're doing that through scientific research as well you're attaching data points you're studying your own body every day uh you're also bringing out practical uh guidelines which is what the blueprint is right and uh Brian Johnson's blueprint is evolving in with time you're adding new things to it constantly based on the data and findings from the experimentation that You're doing on your own body exactly right yeah I'm sorry I'm asking you such direct questions that's great uh how much money have you spent on this whole research process until this point Millions more

than a couple of million yeah yeah more than three uh probably more than three yeah okay um and all of that 3 million was worth it yes yeah the reason why it was so expensive is the therapies the things someone can do to dint are actually very low cost it was Just all the scientific research and the measurement so what we did is I basically said okay um like if you think about explorers of old like Ernest Shackleton or Lewis and Clark or um mellan like the adventures explorers where they said like what is the

the most impossible thing for a human to do in this moment and I basically said like what if I say what if I don't like what's that process so I I hired a team of 30 medical professionals we went Through all the scientific literature everything that's ever been published we ranked all the evidence on lifespan healthspan so we put it all together and then we went through a process of we measured every organ of my body and we got a biological age so I'm chronologically 47 but my heart is 37 my diaphragm is 18 my

left ear is 64 so I have hundreds of biological ages so you can be one age chronologically but then hundreds of Ages throughout your body Because your your organs age at different rates right and so and and this is probably different for every human right exactly so if you yeah measure your brain or your lungs your pancreas they're going to have different or ages and so now we had all the best science that humans have ever produced we have a biological age measurement for everything in my body and then we said okay now we're going

to take all the scientific evidence and apply the Therapies to my body can you both slow down my speed of Aging and two can you reverse aging damage so if I'm 47 or say if my heart is 37 can we make my heart 36 and then can we make it 35 and then 34 and so we basically for the past four years we've been doing this systematic process where we apply the scientific evidence in the form of therapies to my body we test the organ age again we do it again and again and it's produced

to me um arguably the best biomarkers in The world so I'm sure there are others who have better buyer markers than me they're just not as measured but of those that are measured um and I'm not saying even 40y olds I'm saying like 18y olds cross the board um if you look at my measurements like my speed of Aging for example is 64 is one of the best in the whole world better than my son who's 19 what would like an athlete's uh rate of Aging be like we'd have to test it because everyone's different

okay but Like roughly means my birthday is every 19 months m and so like let me clarify the statement about my son like when you're 19 like your speed of it you're still growing right so it's probably not entirely accurate but I guess I just use a data point of like um it varies according to age but then if you look at my my cardiovascular ability I'm the top 1.5% of 18y olds if you look at like my H fat my optimal fat muscle bone mental density like just down the line I'm top 1% optimal

across the board and so it's the first time that anyone in health has taken this highly scientific datadriven approach like not funny stories not weird practices just simply science and data and I've published the whole thing it's been in real time I've just shared it all the good all the bad things at work things that don't work things we fail at you know like just been an open project and so I've shared everything with the world for free okay uh I have a Surface level question to begin with and then I want to go into

deeper uh tangential questions related to your process yeah the surface level question is something that a lot of listeners and uh you know normal people think about so I think there's a part of the world population that acknowledges what you're doing for Humanity there's a large part that doesn't like what you're doing because you're you're just breaking the norm uh and then there's a part of Humanity that's listening very intently to see whether what Brian Johnson does can become affordable for them 10 years later uh will it become affordable for people 10 years later it's

affordable now okay yeah so the good news is that I have done a lot of things that are experimental and and that are costly but to get the majority of the health benefits I've achieved you don't need to do those things so it really comes back to the things we already know sleep diet Exercise don't do bad stuff right if you can Master those you get the majority of the benefits it's just that mastering those is that's the hardest part of Health gotta but the benefits are there so getting good sleep some people can't because

they work night shifts some people have children like there are impediments but generally speaking you can make life adjustments to prioritize sleep so I have a protocol around this same with exercise and then same with Diet and so these really these are within reach of people who really have very little money okay um while I can ask you more surface level questions and ask you to break down your sleep routine I think you've covered a lot of that in other podcast as well as your own YouTube channel so what I will basically ask you is

uh you're vegan right I am okay do you think that if you were eating meat your rate of aging and all that would be the same uh it's hard To say okay uh I'm vegan uh for an ethical preference not not a health uh reason no I mean there is some evidence suggesting that plant-based diets offer benefits but I really uh there the carnivore versus vegan conversation is Warfare I agree and there's nothing productive that comes from it right and so I really take a impartial approach that if somebody eats meat do you great same

fine yeah uh so I really want to be very clear that's Not the battle fi I want it's not that's not what I'm going to die for so like just do your thing the the the most productive thing is to use data so right now we talk about these things in abstract like plants or carnivore but really the only thing that matters are biomarkers gotcha so really we're just we're approaching it at a at a wrong level okay uh what did you study in college so I got a a business degree okay yeah okay I

I Studied engineering like electric elect engineering and what engineering teaches you is to basically take a problem and break it down into tiny pieces analyze those pieces individually uh which is what I assume you've done to a large degree in terms of your own body you've broken it down into tiny pieces and you're able to uh measure their functioning and the effects of your lifestyle on their functioning and you're constantly tracking data that's Exactly right yeah so I yes I have become the most measured person in human history right I'm a collection of 35 trillion

cells plus more of my gut cut so we've tried to quantify as many as the 35 trillion cells as possible it's like what is happening and what happens when you know when you do this therapy or when you sleep well when you exercise yeah we've really tried to robustly capture all those interactions but you also experimenting A bit with things that you're putting inside your body just to test how the functioning of those different parts gets affected yes right and I'm also assuming that applies to your exercise protocol and your lifestyle protocols in general all

of it has there been anything that you've done through your experimentation phase that's harmed your body in anyway I think so yeah we were working on a thymus Rejuvenation protocol so the thymus is the organ just Behind the sternum it's responsible for your immune system and so we were trying to reverse the age which we did successfully we we reversed my thymus age by seven years it's a big deal um but to do so we used a human growth hormone and I did it for 100 days and um I started having symptoms of intracranial pressure

as a side effect and my blood glucose also went off for a bit so I stopped it and um my body took some time to recover but so it wasn't a Serious side effect it was just shortterm side effects but still um I don't think we would do human growth hormone again for that therapy right uh we had Fab on the show a few days ago and he spoke about how people who openly speak about the biohacking are sometimes criticized by people who uh doubt the side effects of the process of biohacking but I've spoken

to lots of medical professionals on the show I've spoken to Lifestyle professionals I've Spoken to biohackers like yourself and I feel like a biohacker is very very very careful about what they're doing with their bodies because that's the basis of the mission that you want to be the goat of Health yes right exactly this is the what you spoke about using the hghh that was the closest you've come to sort of like harming your body yes right and then you must have stopped it the moment you would have done it that's right okay uh you've

also done blood transfusions Yes uh there were I think you've done a blood transfusion with your son as well MH uh this is one of the first things that we heard about in India uh it it was actually a fan of yours a friend of mine DEA uh he spoke about this he said that Brian exchanged uh blood with his son and my response was that okay but the sun has a younger body so maybe it filtered the blood more easily and then the younger blood in Brian did its job in terms of Youth is

that the raw Version of the science basically yeah that the initial science was a old rat rat and a young rat were sewn together so they they actually shared a circulatory system and the old rat became younger so they're trying to tease apart what is the phenomena that happened here to make that happen so yeah it's and so then it translated into this this plasma exchange plasma exchange yeah yeah PL yeah exactly gotcha throughout the body uh so yeah I Mean they they were sharing a circulatory system whereas with my son he just gave me

a plasma a leader of his plasma and I gave my dad a liter of plasma you gave your dad a lader of plasma yeah that's how this whole thing happened so okay can can you take us through this whole process of blood transfusion and I ask you this because on the internet when you say the word blood transfusion people automatically associate it with the Illuminati yeah Exactly so I'm sure that accusation has been thrown on you but I would actually love to Deep dive into the science of exchanging your blood with another human being so

I mean as president of the Illuminati this is what I did yeah so my dad called me one day and he said Brian I'm in a panic um I just wrote something for work I stepped away from my desk I came back and I s is a jumbled mess I'm experiencing cognitive decline and I didn't see it so he felt terrified he's Losing his mind and so he said is there anything you have that is being shown to be promising for mental acuity I said funny dad um actually the team and I were just talking

today about these plasma transfusions so we had done some research we we had seen that there were a few studies for people that were using it for Alzheimer's and Parkinson's so I said to my dad like Dad if if you're interested I would be more than willing to give you a leader of my Plasma I don't know if it's going to work the evidence is pretty you know shallow like may or may not but like if you're down I'm happy to do it and he said I'm in like anything to keep my mind and so

my son overheard the conversation he's like I'm in too and so I was like okay cool this is like a like a trigeneration plasma exchange let's do it so the three of us got together and first my son had a liter of Plasma removed so basically you put a needle in the in the arm uh blood is taken out and then there's there's a centrifuge they spin it and it separates the blood from the plasma so blood red plasma yellow then the blood is put back into the body and the Plasma's kept apart and so

there's a few cycles and you get a full leader of plasma gotcha and so then he completed that then I went next um I had a leader of my plasma taken out and then when my leader was Taken out his leader came into me and then my dad went at last and he had a leader taken out of his and he put my leader into him and so we were measuring for example one measurement we did was speed of Aging this is used on um DNA methylation so a clock inside the body showing how fast

you age so when my father did this he was aging at roughly a 71y old Pace so expected that's his age after the plasma uh Exchange his speed of Aging reduced by 25 years so he was aging at the speed of a 45-year-old which makes sense because my speed of Aging right is equivalent to like uh it's one of the best in the world it's 64 so he basically uh it cut him down in half and that stayed for um six months and so it was really remarkable that it had such a meaningful impact on

his speed of Aging whereas with me I saw no change and it's probably because my biomarkers are basically identical to my Son's so there's very little difference between his biological health and mine and so it makes sense whereas my dad is like not in as good condition so it would he would felt this big boost so yeah so it actually extremely successful more successful than I thought it would be gotcha and you measuring all your dad's markers as well through this yes and for your son it's as simple as donating blood yes right uh he

su just donate a lead of blood and then they Separate the plasma exactly right uh was it painful when they were injecting plasma into you no it just feels like an injection just like getting a blood draw yeah okay gotcha uh I'm sure you asked your dad this question and I kind of want to relay the same question to you did you feel any different with that fresh plasma or do you feel just the same same and what about your father he reports it was life-changing uh he reports he felt better energy better Mental Clarity

he said that his co-workers were like what is going on like you're just different so it was lifechanging for him kind of like having a long-term caffeine shot or something yeah he just um he and he wants to do it again yeah I mean it was I can imagine being him like he was telling me at 71 like I guess like neither you nor I are probably aware of how hard it is to be 72 years old like where you your hearing is less uh robust your eyesight Is less robust when you walk downstairs you

can't be like working on your phone or doing different things you have like focus on each step so you don't fall so the Boost he felt was just life-changing whereas you and I just kind of take these things for granted that we're just healthy and we feel great we don't have to think about our health at all but you felt no difference from the plasma transfusion no and no change in my biomarkers is there like one activity You would pick out as being the most impactful other than sleep sleep is your ultimate right yeah yeah

sleep is the most powerful drug that anyone can take um the next is probably exercise and the next is Diet those three things in order okay uh when you say exercise are you you're not just talking about strength training right yeah it's strength and cardio and Mobility yeah so it's but like for anyone who's not doing something today It doesn't need to be complex just 30 minutes of activity is better than zero so yeah I do a lot of you know much more involved exercises but it doesn't need to be complex okay and is your

exercise protocol also evolving with time yes how do you bring in new elements to it uh yeah just this past week we published a brand new protocol so we we learn something new every week like we're always changing so like in any given day we change something it's just Constantly evolving and so like with this plasma thing you know most people would try to hide failures but we just openly published it like you know and think headlines would report out like you know plasma transfusion fails Johnson devastated you know it's like actually like we're just

publicly sharing the data so everyone knows so um yeah but it's it's always evolving uh I keep a protocol page on my website of everything I do from the Moment I wake up to the moment I go to bed and actually and during sleep is as well so everyone has a real-time snapshot of I think we've built the best protocol the best health protocol in the world and it's all available for free updated in real time right I got to put you in the spot a little bit uh it's going to be slightly uh difficult

question but you can have a go at it all right in five sentences can you explain how the average person can get in a good Night's sleep I can okay reframe your identity that you are a professional sleeper number two eat your last meal of the day at least 2 hours before bedtime and if you can push it back to 3 4 5 6 eat earlier and lighter and watch your sleep improve three is monitor your evening light environment so try to eliminate screens blue lights uh Bright House lights do a yellowish color if you

can get red so light environment four be consistent so Plus or Min choose your Bedtime whatever your bedtime is and then be in bed plus or minus 30 minutes and five this is the last one is have a nighttime routine so I go to bed at 8:30 p.m. at when 7:30 arrives sleep Brian is now on duty so that means when a thought comes in like oh but you forgot blank or I have a good idea about blank I say thank you ambitious Brian we appreciate you and we see you we have all day tomorrow

to take care of this wonderful thing right now we are in sleep mode so For that hour go for a walk do a breath work meditate read a book but you need an hour to calm your body down and say we are going to sleep otherwise you ruminate all night long on your thoughts your worries your excitement do those five things and you can Master sleep can I ask you the same version of an explanation for diets so in five sentences could you explain to me what an anti-aging diet looks like lentils vegetables berries nuts

Seeds extra virgin olive oil avoid sugar processed foods fried foods um additives and you know ingredients which you don't you can't read the words okay that's it that's it okay how about how how many times you should eat in a day uh each person is different uh I eat all my food within a six-hour window my last meal of the day is 11: a.m. so I fast all the way up until bedtime so I like six eating and 18 fast but each person's Different I find that is most conducive to the best high quality sleep

gotcha and water intake uh I do about 3 lers a day and I discontinue drinking fluids at around 400 p.m. and that way I don't get up at night to go to the bathroom gotcha and protein shakes we got to talk about protein shakes yeah uh what's your opinion yeah so I consume 120 gram of protein per day thereabouts and that is enough for me to be top 1% optimal in muscle mass and Cardiovascular ability and metabolic Health it is very common to think you need 150 200 250 it's not required so um I I've

demonstrated that uh you can be reasonable on the protein intake have optimal biomarkers across the board uh if like my son consumes more protein than that because he's trying to bulk up and he's also 19 so there are exceptions to this but generally speaking a lot of people over consume protein can we break down this protein Situation a little more you're vegan I am uh it's an assumption that one can't get the protein requirements hit through a vegan diet I'd assume that you argue against that point yeah so I I am vegan I do caloric

restriction which means I consume less than the recommended daily allowance I I consume 2,250 calories a day I exercise for 1 hour a day um and I have a low protein intake you know according to cultural norms of 120 130 and so most people say with that profile I would be weak I would be uh not able to compete athletically but actually my muscle and body fat are top 1% optimal and my cardiovascular ability top 1.5% of 18-y olds so my biomarkers say it's you know top 1% optimal so it's an example that I've defied

all cultural norms and I'm still a top performer gotcha I don't think there's anyone more qualified to speak about protein intake based requirements or food based requirements Than you because of your daily experimentation and your daily download of data from your own body uh can you break down some of the vegan protein sources that are your go-tos yeah yep so I'll caveat and say of course like the advice varies according to male female it varies according to age so these are just general approximations but I what I meant to say is like the we follow

science and we follow data right and so what I'm trying to say is don't follow Cultural norms follow the data so get yourself measured um be I get my protein sources from from lentils uh from PE protein hemp protein uh you know uh those are primarily the the major ones gotcha lentils PE proteins and head proteins so you do a couple of protein shakes every day I have yeah two a day two a day yeah and the rest is from lentils so this is chickpeas black lentils MH uh all do some beans beans this is

primarily what we eat in India Because we have mostly a vegetarian population exactly okay yeah maybe this is a slightly biased question uh but Indians currently are in this phase of indianness where we're starting to ReDiscover our own culture yeah and there's a bit of a historical context basically when Europeans were ruling over uh our land it said that they stripped us off our ancient culture which was also very Advanced so uh we're rediscovering yoga have you heard of Aured yes so we're rediscovering aured we're rediscovering pranayam and all these practice Med obviously um the

thing is okay here's what the narrative is in India right we feel like people in America and Europe value our culture more than most Indians and you'll see a lot of Indians today dissing all these Concepts like Aur yoga meditation pranayam because there isn't enough scientific evidence to back every single aspect of these Subjects but my take on this phenomen is that there needs to be more scientific research done in order to understand the impact of these uh subjects on the human body and the human life uh you know at the start of the podcast

I said that I respect you because you took your money and you put it against a purpose the day I feel like I'm done with making money and I have more money than I'd know what to do with I'd actually fuel scientific research in These domains for the sake of my own culture which is why I find what you're doing extremely fascinating uh can we speak about these Indian Concepts a little bit uh and and please if if you disagree with what I'm saying I'm I'm very open I'm completely open to like understanding your uh

perspective yeah it's interesting that you say that the criticism is coming from people who say there's not scientific evidence to support it but that is such a rare thing Uh I mean that's that's a very minority opinion in the US most people in the US um they really enjoy the narratives of Health practices and there's less criticism that there's not scientific evidence so it's interesting that there's like a s so it's actually view that as very favorable that people are saying hey show me the evidence that this thing is actually legitimate that's that's a positive

thing so it's a great invitation of to do some studies and so I I view that not as negative at all that's great that's that's fantastic if that's a person's entry point to health and wellness okay can I give you some context too yeah now the thing is when we speak about these Concepts like yoga aured uh meditation pranayam these are ancient practices which are based on basically biohacking the human body through some small exercise based changes or protocol based changes or food based changes but Because those words yog ayurved uh danan which is meditation

pranayam which is breathing exercises they associated with the sanatan dhm side I think they get a bad rep from the other side and of course I'm I'm sanatani so I'm speaking on behalf of this side but I'm also trying to view it objectively I'm trying to view it from the site that's against uh sanatan politically speaking so I feel like people are closed off they're scientistic and not scientific when it Comes to these things and my response is always that over the next 20 years what I anticipate is that meditative practices and yoga will be

researched upon very very very heavily and then we're going to find linkages between say breathing exercises AKA pranayam and your health of your lungs the health of your skin Etc correct way of thinking or do you want to correct me like what do you think of what I just said yeah it it sounds like Um very typical thing between there's groups of humans who take sides they entrench themselves in these thoughts and they battle each other out and I guess our approach has been very much neutral where we don't care where the idea comes from

we don't care who the tribe is we don't care the the history of the tribe we just care if it works so it's entirely do we have evidence and can we bring it back to these biomarkers that We care about so it sounds to me like that really is a a tribal conversation more than it is a scientific Pursuit gotcha can I deep dive a little more into one of those okay so again here's where there's actually no scientific evidence because it's difficult to study something like this and this is related to your subject as

well which is the subject of longevity and immortality According to some people so we speak about longevity in yoga very heavily but It's also mentioned that it's very very difficult to go about the basis of it is what yog is about so what the West knows as yoga often the West will view yoga as a set of exercises right uh sanatan view yoga as an entire lifestyle where the first two steps are yum and NS which is rules and ethics I'm I'm roughly translating uh the next step is Asa which is the physical part which

is what the West NOS are then there's pranayam which is breathing exercises uh there's Danan which is meditation now what they say is that to go into deeper states of meditation uh you need to work very heavily on your body and you need to work very heavily on your breathing exercises and that's when you can enter deeper states of meditation uh now parall when you grow up in India you have access to very advanced yoga schools very Advanced meditations so I'll speak about my own experience I've been meditating for 5 years upon hongsa Uh and

if my lifestyle is completely clean if I'm sleeping well if I don't have too much career stress and I'm able to just focus on my meditation as my priority I often have meditation sessions where I go so deep that I forget my name I forget my gender I forget my own sense of ident it and I just know that I'm some being that's in a state of meditation I also know when to get out now the thing is when you're in that Deep a place in your own head you can hear your own heartbeat mhm

and in the chapter that explains the honga meditation they say that the whole purpose of honga is to reduce the number of breaths you're taking in every minute mhm and when you reduce the number of breaths your heart beats extremely slowly and in that state of slow breaths and a slow heartbeat anti-aging takes place and cellular healing takes place uh and Um you're basically able to help your long-term state of having a calm mind as well as your long-term life I'd love to hear your thoughts on everything I said even if you believe that what

I said is flaky I'm open to that input so um I built a company over the past couple years uh brain interface company we were trying to build a a globally Mass Market available brain interface because getting your brain measured is very hard and costly and the ones that are cheap Just don't give you good quality so we spent seven years building uh basically wearable fmri she like a you put a bike helmet on your head and it measures your brain and we looked at meditation as one of the end points so we bring people

in and have them do meditations and then measure the efficacy of their their meditation technique and it was really fun because most people like uh because meditation is something you explain to other people in words once a person Closes their eyes your internal experience is not necessarily sharable someone else and so most people who go into meditation they just sit there and they just like ruminate on thoughts and so two seconds later they're off on a to-do list or like what they're nervous about or like what they're excited about and then like oh they catch

themselves bring it back and then like go go go like it just repeats that process right and then better meditators can have a a Longer pause between thoughts and calm that so um we actually could quantify a person's efficacy meditating so it was no longer this esoteric subjective thing we could actually put a number to it and show data and so we wanted to do like I wanted to do like tongue and cheek compettition where you basically bring all the different uh communities of people who work in their various meditation Techniques and then have them

compete with their techniques in a Quantified format to see both the individual and the technique and so you basically just level that with numbers and you make a an esoteric practice scientific and quantifiable and so that's I guess again that's my Approach of like I really want to use science and data and try to get to the actual cause then if you if it has some kind of Rejuvenation properties I want to measure them so if the idea is The heart rate goes low and the body enters some kind of state I would want to

do some kind of measurement to try to capture that measurement would you put yourself through something like this certainly yeah is this on the gods yeah certainly I mean we basically we we've tried to hang out with power laws like when you look at the scientific evidence there are thousands of things somebody can do to improve their health uh but there's Only a hundred things we have time to do and so we try to take the things that have the biggest uh lift on life extension and focus on those so we would probably need a

little bit of uh encouragement from the evidence that says you know meditation has this kind of effect that leads to this kind of longevity whatever if it's not big enough it wouldn't make make a cut gotcha yeah so yeah so but like if if it has like uh big effect size for mental Health you know maybe so so it's got to have it's got to be worth the time for the for the potential benefit gotcha do you turn to ancient wisdom to further the edges of science that you've reached no no why not and or

what would make you turn to ancient wisdom and when I say ancient wisdom I'm talking about cultures from all over the world not just like Indian culture the shamanic culture native medic Etc I mean so what we've done is we've said um no Culture no methodology no story gets priority it's evidence scientific evidence is the only thing that getes priority and then we quantify that with data in my body to see if it works now that creates a blind spot for us because we don't have scientific evidence for all things like meditation meditation may be

one of the most powerful things anybody can do for their health and we have some evidence on it but not as much as we'd like and So we have a blind spot that there's all this potential goodness in the world and we don't see it because there's not been rigorous trials on it so we realize that that's the case but just like in this situation where we have limited resources we can only try so many things we accept that trade-off of having blind spots to having a rigorous process that is scientific okay the core of

the reason why I have respect for you is because You're living your life from an evidence-based perspective and you're studying the data related to your body more than any other human being in human history ever has um so I hear what you say about evidence but you know I asked you earlier about hey are you experimenting with your exercise protocols are you experimenting with your diet and or life protocols how do you come up with the experiments that you're supposed to put your body through Yeah we find usually find a research paper and like for

example I Rec I shared today on social media that a power law biomarker is uric acid so it's this inflammatory thing in the body and my levels are in the top 1% optimal uh if you have a high level of uric acid uh your risk of death can be up to 250% increased so it's a really big like you don't want a high level of uric acid and for example things that potentially uh increased uric acid are foods high in Purines so like meat for example shellfish um alcohol like these things will increase uric acid

so um we chose that biomarker because it has a huge effect on uh mortality so we're trying to basically say like what things predict death and then if you can identify those things that predict death how do you make those things optimal got so yeah so the basic things like um you know card vascular Health brain health uh inflammation so we've tried to take The best science and say how do you make those markers ideal which is what I was saying that if you look at my biomarkers I I arguably have better biomarkers than anyone

in the world right across the board that's and keep in mind I've only been doing this for three years and I was destroying my health before this so it really should be encouraging for everyone even if you don't have a lot of money that you can do basic things for your health and your body is extremely Responsive so I I think I view this as like great news for everyone gotcha um so what I have understood is that because you've broken down the body into multiple Parts um there's just so much studying and so much

research to do that you can't turn to every subject from all over the world and all the conjecture from all over the world and put your body through it because time is limited exactly but if someone were to offer you a research based paper a scientific Paper based on some concept of ancient wisdom but then the scientific paper points towards some useful for longevity yeah would you be open to like trying it absolutely we're so open and I have people who reach out to me every day and they'll say I'm going to beat you and

they're expecting me to be mad and I say great let me help you right like I want people to take what I've done and better it I want them to beat me like that's the whole purpose of this thing is to Level everyone up and so yes like and so people are trying to replicate What I've Done amazing that's the goal if they have better ideas even better okay perhaps 10 years on when I'm carrying out research about all these things you're going to be the first receiver of those research papers yes okay and your

journey is going to be the same and much more enhanced ten years on right yes okay yes okay there's another burning question that the audience has for you Um I'm just going straightforward yeah your talks often begin with uh speaking about erections and testosterone yeah is semen retention and you're familiar with the whole noof fap movement and all that right is that something you have experimented with uh and Andor how do you look at sexuality as a chapter within the larger chapter that we call Longevity yeah we looked at seon retention and if I remember

correctly there was a short increase a short spike Of testosterone like a day or three or four yes and then it came back to renormalization but there was no long-term benefit so I think that's the case we just dipped our toe into the topic uh basically we did enough research to say it doesn't seem like there's anything here that we can see uh maybe interesting short-term data but like nothing meaningful so it just didn't make our cut for for the research okay is sexuality of actor this being Measured any any aspect of sexuality yeah I

mean so like the you I mentioned before that we reduced my thymus age by seven years right that is that's probably one of our biggest accomplishments gotcha no one cares right no one no one knows what the thymus is no one cares if your thymus is old or young right the only thing you care about so what people care about is boners right so I was basically like we were as a team we were having this Conversation one day so it was all by accident I was doing this therapy and I was sitting on this

device electromagnet IC stimulation so like I use it on my abdomen to build muscles and and I did this and I started having every time I'd wake up I was erect so I I spoke to my team I was like you guys what is going on like why am I having so many nighttime erections and so we started poking around the literature we're like actually nighttime erections like a Really important Health marker it's not just like some funny topic it's not something we just like laugh at it actually is a really important uh biomark because

um Men Who have who do not have nighttime erections are 70% more likely to die prematurely it predicts death and so uh so I said to my team like okay then what would it take for me to have the most measured penis in the world what what do we do like how do you Measure a penis and so then I did this whole battery of tests like I did ultrasound on the penis looked at blood flow I did um even things like I did um urination speed like how fast can you go to the bathroom

so you actually see a graph of like your max urination speed I did um uh we did yeah all sorts of measurements and then we found this one device that did uh nighttime erections and so on average um a 20-year-old male should have between three and five Episodes erection episodes per night and have around um 145 yeah like 145 minutes of of rections and uh that's healthy but then by the time you're 75 that reduces to about 50 minutes so dramatically declines with age and so I measured my Baseline and I was something like 100

and um 130 minutes something like that but it was like roughly where my age was at and then we did two therapies uh so we We then went out and we said okay is there scientific evidence that we can look at that increases penis health and we found two uh one was Focus Shockwave therapy so it's a technology used for when people for example tear an ACF or a you know knee and they're rebuilding that joint uh then we also got Botox so I had those two therapies uh Focus shock wave therapy and Botox and

it increased my nighttime erections to the length of Titanic the movie 3 hours and 8 minutes And so my nighttime erections are better than the average 18-year-old and so it's basically like what that did is you know it's a funny topic right it's like controversial it's sensitive but what it did is it actually explained my entire Endeavor in one example go you can measure the age of a certain biological function you can use scientific evidence to change that like either reverse the age or you know slow down the speed of aging and it did it

on A with a topic people understand boners and so it's just really effective to convey that science and data are really helpful and that also this goes into like deep psyche you know like what does it mean to be a man what does it mean to be fertile what does it mean to take care of your health and what does it mean when you're not taking care of your health like when you're not sleeping well your night to directions will vanish so it kind of goes back to It shows that like manliness is Health right

masculinity is health and you can't skip on health and still be manually masculine right now women also have nighttime erections so they're just harder to measure but they two have the same episodes so it's males and females so it was really successful in explaining the entire topic and also I think kind of an encouragement like it's something your friends can be like you have a boners man like like like You're you're vaping a lot you're not sleeping well uh you're eating junk food is anything going on down there right so it's kind of like this

easy conversational topic of you can now talk about it in a way where it encourages healthy practices it's bro bro longevity dog right like hey bro like how your boners yeah tell me yeah um I see a lot of I see a lot of libido related problems with guys my age yes it's it's a big deal I mean like it's like it I'm So happy we did this because I always wonder like are we going too far you like like it just seems like it's a really important topic no one's talking about it and it's

like it's it's pretty scary for a man do you think masturbating is good for health uh I know we the data we've looked at um the there is benefit for ejaculation right for for having orgasms um uh as it relates to prostate health and other things so I think yeah being Sexually active is generally a healthy thing as you're doing all this longevity stuff and I'm talking about the whole body yeah do you feel your liido going up as well mhm you do yeah like when I was building my companies in that 14-year like I

had no sex drive it was gone I wasn't sleeping well I was overweight I was eating bad foods just like sex was the last thing in the entire world I was interested in gotcha uh there's a word called centenarian Right yes means people in the hundreds yes do you study people in the hundreds now for the sake of the work that you're doing in 2024 um we really don't spend much time because they're mostly genetic anomalies okay yeah like this is the thing like when you interview the person who supposedly is 113 And the reporter

is like what do you do they're like well a cup of a glass of whiskey and two cigarettes every day and then other people are like I knew it I Knew that was the case that you know that it's whiskey and alcohol but it's really that's not a good way to go about it like you should not be asking the person what they like you can survey but you should really look at the genome and other things so uh I mean I for example I created this um leaderboard called the Rejuvenation olympics.com so it's for

Speed of aging and so there's a clock inside your body just like tree rings and it show it reveals how fast You're aging and so um I it's such a cool test because it's just one number is it the DNA strands shortening oh that's Tel so it's a different one okay gotta but basically we have this leaderboard and so now it's a global competition there's about 30,000 people participating and so anytime you create a competition or you give numbers like humans kind of go crazy right so how do you take the data uh it's just

a blood spot like you prick your finger put a Blood spot very easy gotta yeah you should do one actually I should have brought one today for you yeah I'd love to yeah cool so I I'll get you one um and so I met the other day so I think I'm like number five or six on the leaderboard thereabouts so I met the guy that's like number two uh he's a biochemist and uh so I was like okay so what do you do for your health and guess guess what the answer is nothing nothing Nothing

you know he's like I don't know I try to get healthy and like try to get sleep like it was like nothing outside of normal cultural things and so what's cool about this is we're seeing how genes are a significant input right whereas me like I'm doing all this stuff and he's barely beating me and so it's just like but it's like we know this happens in life some people despite their health habits are healthy wateren Buffet yeah like they keep on living Where others that if they're even like even those who are very healthy

die of surp surprise heart attacks so there's so many variables that are the inputs to these things and we're getting better at detecting them so it's really cool I think for people to understand that we all got our genetic cards dealt to us and we can do some things but not solve all things and so it's just a Reconciliation of life that that's okay but it's important to know what we can Do what we can't do you know I don't know how one would quantify this and I I I hope that that in the coming

20 30 years we're able to quantify this but I have a theory that emotions play a big role in like uh this whole process that biochemist who uh is number two on the list I'd love to know what his emotional state of mind is yeah yeah that so you're correct um stress uh plays a significant role in speed of Aging which is why like I'll just say I'm really Proud of myself for being uh among the very top cuz my life is extremely stressful like I'm building five companies that is hard like I'm sure right

when you're when you're really racing at life it's hard like inevitably you just have all kinds of fires and all kinds of drama like everything's difficult there's never enough time in the day and so I'm building five companies and I'm among the very best in the world at like basically my body's Biological capacity so um it's cool I say this because most Entre preneurs and most people grinding in life believe they have to Marty their health in exchange for success and it's so strongly held that they basically hold themselves in a prison because they think

that's the only way and they feel like there's a sense of Shame if they if they basically uh take care of their health and their PE see them you want to be seen as like Not needing more than 3 hours of sleep at night or you want to you want the story told about about you whether you stayed up two nights in a row riding furiously or coding or doing something and it's such a destructive cultural um Meme and I really want to just tear it down and give everyone who's listening the reassurance you can

be epic and make your health your number one priority yeah um I think that's what people who've only heard your name don't know About you that you you are currently building tech companies as well with team also to give the audience context this podcast was decided in a pretty impromptu fashion and I'm sure you have like a thousand other things to do but you were actually able to make time for this podcast in Singapore uh right while you're traveling and I'm sure you're accounting for all the practices uh that you go about as well yes

so it says a lot about how high a priority your Longevity stuff is as well as who you are as a person to be able to handle all that man uh again like I think we're going to meet again in life and at that point I'd love to kind of break down your psychology even further because uh I feel I've only broken down about 5% of who you are as a person in this episode this was kind of like an introduction uh about you to the Indian audiences Brian before we let you go I have

one last section for your one last question uh Which is related to genetic engineering mhm um we had Fab on the show 2 days ago and he he spoke about how he uh injected his muscles with um ftin and that stopped the degradation of muscle mass uh so he wasn't working out but his muscles weren't degrading and that's like one level of genetic engineering but crisper as a Technologies evolving as well where you'll literally be able to for lack of better words to describe it you'll be able to make designer Babies after Point by altering

genetics based on whatever I've read about crisper and designer babies I think it's fairly easy to do some kind of genetic engineering on an infant or a child that's growing up um but I don't know how difficult it is to do the same kind of genetic engineering on a fully grown adult so what have you figured about genetic genetic engineering at this point and what are you figuring about it going forward yeah so it's um the that Full set gene therapy I got as well um it it actually does doesn't modify the genome it just

allows for increased production of f satin so it's it's labeled as a gene therapy but it's really at the layer of increased expression of this protein gotcha so you're not actually like changing the genome um the other Technologies there's been a few advances even the in the past few months that make it even better than crisper so it's it's coming it's Inevitable we're going to figure it out it's not clear when it's going to be at Market market like of course people are already doing embryo selection like we're already starting to play with this like

don't die is starting before conception which is wild like and so even so someone in their 20s they may begin a health journey and their friends may like why you doing that man you're 20 years old but they're almost late to the Party because now it's happening before conception right so 20 so my son is 19 he started doing uh blueprint with me when he was 16 so it's just going to start earlier and earlier and I'm guessing that cultural norms are going to change so that our entire Society is optimizing for um a reduced

speed of aging and prevention of Aging damage it'll just be the norm like everyone's going to do it and so like this whole idea of debauchery and uh this slow boil Suicide that we do like calling drinking with friends fun or like missing night like the way want to live life all of it's just going to go away like I don't think I think culturally that would be viewed as low brow it would just it will be looked down upon I agree and it will be much more um celebrated if you actually uh honor your

conscious existence with this uh level of respect that why would anyone do anything that would cause disease or increased rate of Aging and so I think that yeah genetics will also there'll be a push for that as well it'll help us do that but I just think that the we are going to have a massive shift as a species it's going to happen faster than anyone thinks is possible and it's going to move towards this deep respect and appreciation for existence in terms of time how far are we from people actually altering their genetic profile

a little bit it's no longer possible for any Human on this planet to to say anything intelligent about the future that is like the most interesting Concept in the world is that we have always been the primary form of intelligence and we can model things out and make these probabilities on what will happen and when even if we're a little bit wrong we still are this form of intelligence where we can create these probabilities now that we're developing Ai and it's moving at such a Fast pace our ability to predict is almost zero and so

like just like simply like when I went to college I could say I'm going to study a certain thing and have a certain profession and then I'm going to work until I retire I could plan out my entire lifetime my son just finished his first year at school he was doing math and physics he has no clue what to study and he has no idea if he's should go to school or not and there's no human on this planet that can give Him advice on what to do should he study Humanities should it be math

should it be CS should he drop out of school nobody knows so in one generation you could plan out your entire life and this generation can't plan a year in advance and that is true across Society we cannot see directly in front of us so any prediction anyone makes is entirely made up all right like you can try to model these things up but you're basically introducing AI is a new a new Change agent where it's more capable than it ever has been so all of our predictions are wrong you know this whole narrative about

humans and AI working together will be the most powerful combination I have a theory that uh I don't know how this will go about and you'd probably have more of an Insight on this but I think some kind of an AI based software is going to be used by the world of science to heavily Advanced science and Any advancement in the world of science is usually um translated into an advancement in engineering about 50 years later but I again I think those Engineers will also work with another AI software to make that no science to

science to engineering transition within 5 years at some point yeah I mean it's basically I think it's reasonable to say the 2030s will make the 2020s look like the third Century I think it's at that speed if you just simply look at the math of how fast AI is moving we don't know the specifics of how to predict things we can just say absent any kind of catastrophic event that that changes you know that like annihilates us we're probably going to in improve at some speed and that speed is going to compound upon itself and

some kind of oh maybe not even exponential just like a pretty Swift curve it's just going to Change everything and this is why this is what don't die is about right I basically I'm proposing in this moment when we're giving birth to Super intelligence no existing form of human thought or human societal organization is equal to answer the questions in this moment not capitalism not democracy no religion no construction of human thought is actually equal to this moment don't I is the only Ideological system that is equal and so we don't have time for this

today but uh don't die is a political system it's economics it's a social system it's morals it's ethics so I I host these don't die Gatherings it's a 2-hour long conversation and we work through these ideas and you'll come out on the other end understanding it until then it's very hard to fully understand what it means but basically what I'm saying is this is the new game every human on this Planet is going to play this is the thing that allows us to give birth to Ai and not kill each other I hear you Brian

this was an honor because I genuin genely believe that you're at that brink of actually creating a practical change in human society and I don't know how many human beings uh in the current world population can say that from a societal perspective from a macro perspective from a millennium long perspective so I wish you more luck man Uh I know that existence is your god uh I've not been able to exactly Define what my God is other than the word Divinity so I pray to that Divinity that you get to your purpose uh even faster

than you expect man so thank you for giving me your time uh this is not the last conversation that we're ever having I want to get to know your heart and your soul much more deeply but I salute what you're doing Salute Your Mission I appreciate you uh so thank you for your Time your presence and thank you for being on India's biggest podcast thank you thank you so much thanks man that was the episode for today ladies and gentlemen this is one of my favorite subjects breaking down the different aspects of Health in the

description box below we're going to link some of our health podcast that we've covered on this channel we'll also be linking Brian's social media handles um in the outros of my podcast I always Intend on speaking about how I felt about the guest post the episode being shot what I felt about Brian is that someone who has those blinders on he can only see his final goal of trying to figure out the mystery called immortality and Longevity that's what inspired me I often think to myself that perhaps my 40s will primarily be about meditation and

my own spiritual Chase but when you meet people like this who are who chasing such an important human Mission with so much aggression that's what inspires you and that's the inspiration that I was left with so please support Brian follow him on all his social media platforms and keep listening into TRS lots of biohacking and Longevity themed episodes are coming your way in the coming months thank you for listening in [Music]