[Music] hey everyone happy Tuesday we've got a report from the edge for you today plus can you believe we're returning to Three Mile Three Mile Island and what are our best sustainability practices all this and more you're watching techr gang [Music] [Music] hi everyone Alan Shimmel here for Tech strong happy Tuesday to you we've got a great Tech strong gang set up for today as I mentioned in the earlier uh segment we're going to talk about edge and a recent Tech Field Day Edge Computing event that our friend Stephen fosit and the tech Field Day
team conducted we're also going to talk about a new plan you everybody wants electricity for for data centers well let's let's revive some failed nuclear reactors that sounds like a plan what could go wrong and we've got best sustainability practices by our own sustainability analyst Bonnie Schneider and Josh harber well so I guess that gave away Bonnie is one of our guest on Tech gang today we're going to come back to her in a second but first let me mention I mentioned his need too he is the founder of tech field day and he's regular
here on the gang joining us I think from home today it's good to be home Stephen foset Hey Stephen welcome absolutely there's no place like home there's no place like home there's no place like home you're supposed to click your heels would you do that how do you know you can't see my heels maybe I I see you don't have red ruby slippers well if you do maybe as a matter of fact I give you a 100 bucks right now if you pick up your feet and there are red ruby slippers on there I think
um I I don't want your hundred bucks so I'm not so we'll just have to keep guessing welcome Stephen joining Stephen and I today is our uh techr CTO and future of CTA Mitch Ashley hey Mitchell how are you I'm doing great and I think I have a pair of Crocs on but they aren't red sorry we would expect nothing less from a b person remember the guy in our uh in our incubator the Mobius incubator who's bily inv invented the things that go in the Crocs oh yeah those the little rich rich rich schmeler
smer right yeah I was we knew him when yeah yeah now Rich wasn't successful his wife and daughter were yeah exactly but anyway congratulations to them joining guys here in our Boker Ron headquarters we'll tell you the scha story one day on my well on my immediate left I've already introduced she's our sustainability analyst and uh editor she's a meteorologist accomplished author and a bunch of other things Bonnie Schneider hey Bonnie how are you I'm doing well Alan great to be here thanks to have you here and then to my far left he's our chief
content officer he was moving to New York but he's back here in bokeh because you could check out but you can never leave um oh no that's California that's California Mike vard hey Mike how are you happy to be here and I am on the edge of my seat you're on the edge we're all on the edge all right speaking of the edge so Stephen you guys did a edge Tech field day I caught some of it um but why don't you you know give a report from the field if you will on edge Tech
field day and maybe while you're at it not everyone out here might be familiar with tech field days we should kind of set that table yeah thanks a lot um so great to be here um returning to the gang once again and uh great to bring a little bit of a report of my takeaways from another tech Field Day event we did the same thing with our AI field day recently um and so Tech field day is a great uh great little event that I've been running for 15 years now essentially I pick a panel
of people just like the people here on the panel on Tech strong gang in fact literally just like the people on the tech strong gang because it's included you and and Mitch and and and Guy Courier and Stephen Dickens and some of the others camberly and um along with a bunch of others we fly him to California and then companies present to them over a couple of days and we live stream the thing on Tech strong TV so if you've if you've spotted that on the tech strong websites or techr strong TV and wondered what
was going on well now you know and if you go to techfield day.com you can see little bit more about the thing um but yeah the last week was Edge field day uh Edge is a topic that's really near to my heart because well I'm a hardware nerd and uh ultimately one of the coolest things about Edge is that there's still a lot of Hardware Innovation happening the other cool thing about Edge is that it really encompasses all the different disciplines of it I mean you've got container orchestration you've got virtualization you've got physical machines
you've got security and networking and storage and like I said even nuts and bolts and that's pretty cool to hear about uh across the Spectrum there and that's really what we saw at our Edgefield Day event I mean we had companies you know like VMware talking about how they're uh this kind of funny they um they brought in a couple of guys dressed as the Men in Black and and said we're not the VMware you think we are and then proceeded to talk about a completely different Edge platform that VMware by has uh within broadcom
in fact they're more within broadcom than within VMware now which I think is a is a really interesting move on the part of broadcom but also it shows a little bit of support for this uh sort of alternate VMware product line uh we also talked to our friends from aasa talking about uh orchestrating applications at the edge uh they're getting a lot of traction in that space where you know allowing companies to uh deploy applications anywhere and uh they they demonstrated that uh with actually Hardware provided by another Edge field a partner um we also
heard from TC who makes an incredible ruggedized uh military grade uh storage brick that can store terabytes pedabytes of data transport uh you know terabytes per second of uh of throughput um and and and survive basically anything so if if you're recording video in the field or collecting data or I don't know military industrial science uh their little brick is is a pretty cool box for that and then the next day we we heard from zida who are doing um basically Edge at scale so their thing is that they can uh they can deploy across
thousands of sites which is is pretty awesome and then finally onlogic uh you know they're the partner that uh everybody partners with they're an American company that's manufacturing servers essentially little uh ruggedized Edge servers and uh you'll recog ize these little orange and silver monsters basically everywhere you go in industry and Retail and restaurants and so on so it was a pretty cool event is pretty neat to to hear about all this varied stuff at the edge absolutely um you know I it's interesting when I first uh was introduced to this concept of the edge
I think it was Simon Crosby Mitch uh you remember Simon from micro perimeters and stuff in security right it Citrix for a while and yes it Citrix you know and and in his vision he thought like some of the cellular carriers would would have sort of a like a a a freight container you know the big containers that you see on ships that would sit at the bottom of a of a cell tower and that that would be the your Edge Center your Edge data center so literally Edge data center the size of a a
a freight container and maybe there's still a place for that but you know now we have bricks that have pedabytes of of storage on it and that that's pretty amazing and you know the the orange and silver servers it reminds me of when we were first starting to do worry about data set to density this company cobal networks came out with those little oneu rack mou servers that you could fit they was 40 or 50 into a rack you can put now an entire system in a box like this in those cell towers so you
don't need a big container yeah no but that that you know back then I mean he going back seven years eight years this this was the concept of the edge and um it's amazing to see like everything else how it's miniaturized but I'll tell you something else Mitchell and I are working on a project with our friends at Cloud flare called the last great Cloud transformation and it's about something that cloud flare calls the connectivity Cloud which is the amalgamation of all they do and the you know the thing about the edge on it is
The Edge doesn't live in a vacuum no pun intended right and it's not replacing the core you're gon to you know we're going to live in a world where you'll have some things in the core and AI is a great example of this right there are going to be some AI real heavy lifting stuff that you're going to get do at the hyperscaler at the core there's going to be a lot of AI that for latency reasons and everything else you're going to want at the edge and then there'll be some AI that takes place
right on the device I'll uh you know Mitchell and I spent the weekend slacking about Apple intelligence we've set it up on every device we have because that's how Mitchell and I Ru um not that it does a damn thing but whatever we did set it up now connecting these connecting and that's where the magic happens when you connect the edge to the device to the core and all of this so the network piece of this connectivity and then of course the security of it at its heart that's that this connectivity Cloud the cloud Stephen
Cloud Flair should be at this the next Edge Tech field day we do oh absolutely yeah you know what Stephen I'm curious with the the people that you had at this event which some great companies you know that the edge it isn't like there's one definition of what the edge is right it's it's you know one person's Edge is not another person's Edge mentioning VMware being there I'm I'm curious what kind of use cases or experiences like that did you see where maybe the edge is really different in some domains than others oh definitely and
that's I you know I on Wednesday uh before kicking this thing off I defined the edge more by what it's not than what it is uh the edge is basically not the data center and not the desktop it is essentially you know it's everything else and and and in terms of by what it's not too if we look at the it attributes of the edge this kind of goes to what what yall are seeing as well um you know the edge is defined by uh lack of environmental controls lack of power controls lack of connectivity
lack of operational uh Hands-On operational Talent lack of accessibility and we saw some absolutely incredible uh customer use cases uh you know devices operating across the you know Canada and and and in the Arctic uh with the you know well well below freezing temperatures devices in the desert at you know boiling temperatures you know everywhere and certainly there's military there's industrial Edge there's industrial iot uh we saw a use case that involved mining another use case that was a a steel smelter that got up to 70° C uh just incredible um what these systems have
to have to endure and and and in terms of even even sort of mundane things like retail and restaurants and so on a lot of the time these little servers are sitting underneath the friers or sitting in the corner uh with the trash piled on top of them or whatever there's nobody there to push the button so a lot of the technology that we've pioneered uh in other areas like zero touch provisioning and um you know zero trust access and so on a lot of that stuff is really getting traction at the edge because you
know you just can't have a system that that that needs a lot of babysitting also the same thing with with networking you know connectivity that's uh that's sparse and one more thing that I'll mention to uh to your point about the the containerized data center one of the biggest thing that's happening at the edge is the virtualization movement just like virtualization affected the data center in the cloud it's really important to virtualize all these devices at the edge as well because you don't want to have a rack of 10 different pieces of Hardware to run
you know the the the the payment processing the iot processing the camera control the security system all these different things you want that all to be Consolidated into a few different servers um I'm also going to give a quick shout out there's a group called Edge monsters that is basically our delegates that are involved in this space and every month they put together uh an open white paper about various topics of the edge so if you check out Edge monsters in your favorite search engine or on LinkedIn you'll see some really cool stuff coming out
of that group I think we're missing some of the bigger implications on the software side if you think about it for a minute we're in the process of uh processing and analyzing the data at the point where it's created and consumed so we're going to do a lot more of that at the edge to reduce the amount of stuff that gets sent over the network and back to the cloud and in many ways in my mind the tail is wagging the dog all of a sudden there might be a lot more processing happening out at
the edge than there is in the cloud one day especially with AI inferencing at the edge too right right inferencing at the edge is going to be big look it's depend on the economics right why do you want to move stuff to the edge well you're going to reduce latency but if it's prohibitively expensive will be a little more late right um so you're you're going to need that you know the economics of it are going to have to work but it goes to something Stevens said the edge The Edge is a many faceted thing
where is The Edge you know are you close to the edge um I just wanted to throw that little reference in there like I said I'm I'm on the edge so oh no I was I'm a yes head and that was a big album but anyway um that being said I I I do think it's that this show that Mitchell and I do called the last great Cloud transformation I think that it it it perfectly encapsulates what What's Happening Here The Edge is going to be the it's I don't know if it'll be the last
course who knows but it's the next great Cloud transformation it's going to change the way we look at cloud and we it everything doesn't have to be in that core data center anymore um let's take a break here on techr gang we're going to come back and I feel like I we need a Saturday Night Live skit here or something remember these through the good three mile Alle well you guys may not remember I'm that old but they used to do some good Three Mile Island skits on Saturday Night Live and uh we'll hear what's
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course Microsoft isn't the only people talking about this Oracle at their event was talking about how they might have many nuclear reactors attached to data centers and Stephen what is your sense of what's going on here I mean can uh everybody have a a nuclear data center in their backyard and are you ready to put one in there in Cleveland we already got a nuclear Center here in Cleveland um yeah but uh what I'll say is uh again I'm I'm not going to bore you all by saying solar solar solar like I do every time
on Tex strong gang let's talk nuclear um so first off nuclear is actually a great power source especially for data centers because it's reliable it is nonpolluting asterisk sort of kind of I'll let you argue that out it is uh you know carbon neutral again in terms of point source and um of course it's actually a fairly proven and reliable technology so they're going to be restarting uh Three Mile Island just for context my understanding is that uh you know Three Mile Island shut down uh I think in only only in 2019 uh because of
the economic situation of the cost of power and now they're going to be restarting uh what they had running there until very recently um I love the fact that they're calling it The Crane clean energy center because anyone from Baltimore knows the CP crane plant was this horribly blighted polluted uh Waterfront Park uh same guy it's named after the same guy um it's now a park that's nice um so basically yeah we're going to be using nuclear energy for uh for our data centers and the Microsoft angle is really cool too because those are small
modular reactors which is a another really cool thing that they're looking into there where they would actually be deploying small um industrially manufactured uh nuclear reactors right there at the data center which that's Oracle not not Microsoft Oracle yeah you're right thank you yeah yeah you know that's interesting you mentioned the micro reactors because um I would say maybe six seven months ago I did an interview with a company that has since gone public um at after that interview I don't know if that had anything to do with it um it's called a nano nuclear
energy and they specialize in those portable micro reactor units and they told me that a lot of it is because of the data centers and the need um for that and here I I thought they were putting them on DeLorean cars was 6.7 G kilowatts or but you mentioned Three Mile Island and one of the questions I had for them at the time because I think it's just eded in US of how do you get Beyond this PR issue of will nuclear three mile and we're going to have an accident so not going to be
safe and um the the gentlemen that I interviewed were saying um new energy the green energy like getting it rebranded like you were saying um is one way to get around it but I think it's going to be all Hands-On deck in order to power these data centers it will be solar and and and wind um and nuclear is coming into play more and more it looks like especially with the success I've seen of this recent company we actually have a lot of experience with this in space right the the Mars rover probes that go
into space most of those have nuclear reactor self-contained nuclear reactors that are designed you know to live a certain life and course there we're expending them out in space but it makes it makes a lot of sense especially um in a dynamic situation a lot of we were talking about the edge before um if you need power for a data center that you're setting up in a container I mean shipping container or something like that a pod at a remote location that doesn't have power to it you know middle of the desert whatever it might
be that's a great solution for it to have a modular reactor kind of option so I would expect we're going to see I don't know if it's going to proliferate we're all going to have our own you know backup power supplies our modular nuclear reactor in the backyard quite yet but um I think there's a lot of commercial industrial and Military applications of this yeah that company I just want to mentioned they they just got a contract with um a German uh government um in that area in um which we talking about with space and
everything so yeah I I think that's going to be the growth area I'm having a hard time picturing the town meeting where I go and the local supervisors are trying to explain everybody that we're gonna put a nuclear reactor in to help power the data center and I got a feeling everybody in the town is pretty much gonna go I don't think so maybe go fight another town ni but so here's here's where I at first of all I don't think we laid it out right fully for folks would did it is is Microsoft is
building a new data center near Three Mile Island and they've contracted to use all of the electricity that this nuclear data center is going to put out for the next 20 years or consum or something like that right and I it's enough to power 800,000 hes wow it's a lot of electricity now we've made a lot of progress in our nuclear reactor design from the early 60s when 3M Island was originally early to mid-60s when Three Mile Island was originally designed and and construction started there lot of progress and I I read a great article
this weekend on nuclear fusion and and they're saying we will have some commercial Fusion plants in the mid-30s just in time for Quantum Computing if you believe that um so I am not against nuclear however the child of the 70s that I am who who brilliant idea was it to go back to Three Mile Island this is the this is the ultimate Boogeyman of the nuclear industry I don't give a sh I don't care what name you want to call this thing it's still threemile Island we had movie exactly you forget the movie who I
wouldn't want to touch this radioactive Beast with a 10- foot pole why would you do this go build something fresh and new maybe the price was right you know hey I feel like John balushi you know they're smoking dop in Mexico I might not get the electricity in time to drive my AI Revenue model if I go maybe maybe but this is this is just look this is a disaster waiting to happen I'm telling you figure literally maybe a PR disaster prle can you imagine the poor marketing shook this round up on their desk and
he said wait a second what could I rename it what could I rename it and in the Ultimate Iron he said let me give it to him good I'll name it for that guy Charles Crane That Bastion champion of clean energy look what they did for Baltimore everyone who's in that Park God knows what we'll find out in 20 years it may it may not be a good look for AI either because people will start acquainting AI with nuclear and three my Island and they're going to go you know what maybe we'll slow down you
just it's okay to equate it with nuclear let's equate it with new nuclear fresh nuclear safe nuclear not thre Mile Island guys like this Oracle story exactly I mean you've got s they've got much you know they're they're a modular design they're easy to maintain they're easy to run they're you know a lot less expensive I think I I think UI should also give a reality check too the reason Three Mile Island was shut down is not because of the accident I mean it's important to understand the accident actually was a a proof of the
success of nuclear safety because it did not melt down totally meltdown but they did close one of the three reactors yes yeah they CL the one that was damaged but um but the important thing is that to to to note is that it was it's the the economics of nuclear that didn't work out not the safety it's the economics this this station was running it says um I looked it up here it says that it was running at $44 per megawatt hour which is significantly more expensive than natural gas plants significantly more I'm sorry I
have to say it way more expensive than solar and um and and Microsoft just signed a 20-year lease on at a at a very high price for electricity this may actually be more of a disaster in terms of contract and finance than in terms of anything related to nuclear safety unless they know how much those AI prompts are going to cost in the future as they keep building no no I saw the new the um what's the Nvidia new set not Rockwell B you remember the name whatever the new Nvidia chip Blackwell Blackwell yeah what
did they say it was 100 100 megawatts or something it's going to cost a lot to run one of those puppies is the bottom line and so you're going to need this but I as I say I'm not against nuclear I think we've made a ton of progress I just don't know whose bright idea was it to to recommission Three Mile Island that that's just I don't know let me just ask a a question here so will you trust Chad GPT to answer the question how much radiation is safe yeah that was GP or Microsoft
co-pilot yeah you have to have the right prompt I guess yeah um but you know in the same vein Stephen you love this I I read another interesting story this weekend that um I think it was Columbia University and a university over in China came up with this fantastic idea of installing 51 billion 51 billion with a be solar panels to over the over highways right over our interstate highway system if you make it high enough for trucks to get in there and you install like a solar power you know a lattice that you put
solar panels on they think we could replace 60% of our energy needs with that that is interesting I mean Stephen I feel like every company out there is betting on all forms of power sources they're looking at hydrother geothermic whatever it's called um grease lightning so I mean is it is is this like an either or conversation or is it all of the above I think it's all of the above and I think that there's a lot of nuance to it um you know one of the nice things about nuclear is that it operates 247
it's a very steady uh power source unlike frankly almost every other power source I mean one of the one of the reasons that frankly natural gas is so attractive is because you can spin up and spin down the natural gas generator um you can adjust the power output literally in seconds which is something that's very useful and I think that we're going to continue to use natural gas for um kind of filling in the gaps in energy for a long time and you mentioned that there's all these other ones absolutely um you know GE thermal
uh costs a lot but is very low you know pollution um you know solar is is very inexpensive now but of course it only works when the sun's out and so we have to have batteries and batteries add to the cost and so there's I think we're going to have a very uh distributed in diverse Energy System and I think that it makes sense to have nuclear in there as one of the options as sort of the base uh generating load especially if we can make it uh less expensive and and more reliable and remember
too one of the reasons nuclear is so expensive is permits and nimes you know I mean there there's just one nuclear plant that's been built in the last few decades in the US because nobody wants to add a new nuclear plant because of the worries about Three Mile Island and that's what drives up the cost of it yeah I look my my personal opinion is I think as I said we've come a long way on fishion Fusion Fusion's a game Cher that that's what he've been chasing Fusion for decades so I said I know it's
always just Out Of Reach anyway I think this segment's just about out of time so we're gonna take a break here on Tex gang and we're gonna come back and we're gonna stay on this green theme for today and Bonnie's going to talk to us a little bit about best sustainability practice practices you're watching techr gang discover Tech strong group the epicenter of tech Innovation we're your go-to for reaching it leaders and practitioners worldwide our secret impactful content that Sparks awareness engagement and top quality leads with us you'll access editorial websites streaming videos virtual events
custom content analyst research and more join our satisfied clients let's revolutionize your Tech Journey contact us today and tell your story to the world in the most powerful way with tech strong group welcome back to the tech strong gang well I had the pleasure of speaking with Josh harber who is the SVP and CMO of couchbase but he's also one of the co-founders of a really interesting organization called sustainable it.org and if this do name doesn't sound familiar to you it's because it hasn't been around too long they actually started this organization uh nonprofit right
around the time of Co so just a few years ago and the concept came from what can we do to make it more sustainable and it really blew up from there now they have uh chapters and and people from all over the world that are involved in this organization so sustainable it involves best practices to be more sustainable whether it's green software open source AI of course I talked with Josh about all of these things and where he sees the future going and how it practitioners can learn more about being green with their development some
people probably are not familiar with sustainable it.org I know you're your founder of the organization it's almost been three years not quite we needed to advance sustainability globally and that we needed technology leader to play active role in it so almost three years and the initial mandate was going to be around telling stories and it very quickly turned to we need to establish a standard for technology for their departments for their business and really for their Industries second was build a community too many of these organizations were doing things in isolation they were almost a
afraid to share their stories around sustainability third was around education and we're just now starting to really evolve that we have a really strong Community we offer all sorts of webinars and other programs to be able to deliver to our membership and Beyond but we're going to continue to evolve with education mean upleveling skills and everybody within their departments and talk about sustainability and then I think lastly is one that we're still pretty immature on but we've had made a lot of progress is really in the transparency piece that's establishing the Ben marks right we're
not going to be the one set the benchmarks but we want to make sure that we're leaders and making sure folks are starting to measure and make Improvement can you talk more about those standards that you mentioned our audience is filled with it practitioners and they may be unfamiliar with the standards and and the practices of being more sustainable Donna well these are Open Standards and for H again this was about its's ability to really describe three core areas obviously environmental is what everybody's honing in on now and we've got a set of 240 different
metrics that we outline and this is all available on the stainable it.com it's just quoted on standards and you everybody can go through these but it's environmental so and governance we also have those that are centered around social so what are some of the things that we're doing to help it measure technology accessibility it could be technology partner diversity lot of of visibility that's happening today around all of these European directives whether the csrd or the DU igis directive some of these things are about how are you sourcing and it's not just about materials it's
about uh overall you know supply chain that you're driving we make these standards real for it and for it leaders and practitioners to start to understand how they should categorize and start to look at the structure of these metrics for their organization that's great well you mentioned the corporate reporting and ESG mandates and things that are happening a lot of it's in Europe but it's certainly coming to the US and in 2025 we'll have new regulations and deadlines to meet has that spurred a little bit more urgency in this movement it has and listen your
right Europe is certainly has a little bit of a head if you will around their sustainability initiatives and some of it has been because of the the regulations and some of it is just simply because of the best practices that they believe in so it's created urgency around it I think secondarily just forget about ESG or any of the acronyms that people want to use companies are orienting around it not just because it's the right thing to do because their employees are really pushing them that's a great point about employees I've found that too in
the research that I've done people are pushing it from the outside and from the inside so how would you say sustainability in it marries with the overall corporate sustainability package within an organization well I think look there's certainly the the ability to manage the data in a consistent manner so I mean I think the strategy has to be paid off by technology we made some commitments to cop 29 we participated in the world economic Forum because there's a lot of strategic discussions that are happening around this problem that they're going to require technology to go
solve big fangs cios and CTO have to be part of that discussion companies are starting to realize that and these technology leaders becoming part of the conversation it's really incredible to watch the success and theem and the way this organization has been embraced I've been following it for a while and in just maybe the past few months they've been invited by the UN to be part of climate week and organizations involvement there and in policy so there's going to be a conference next month in Austin around this topic as well this is really a growing
movement and it's not just IT workers that you're going to see that are part of it there are Executives from companies from all over the world that are um wanting to be more sustainable and learn best practices so the standards that I mentioned in the video are on their website they're trying to uniform these metrics for people to practice and me I know Alan you knew one of you know one of the co-founders as well yes yeah it was uh oh dor you put me on CEO founder of delix he really was the guy yeah
who started this I think it's great I gotta tell you the truth I still can't get over this three mile AIS I'm sitting here this is like an Easter egg that they named it for this guy CRA like what name could they come up with that would really anyway let but you know what for every thre Mile Island kind of folly we do get something like sustainable it.org and and I'll tell you something having spoken to the guy from delix years ago about this during covid it's this is something its time has come the time
is now the place is now we we need this done um I think think for all the reasons that we just spoke about all the and we've been talking about it for weeks data centers and AI energy consumption and everything else we've got to get serious about green it and being more um mindful of of you know the impact on our environment that all of these great technologies have in the age of nuclear it I'm not sure green is the right phrase anymore though ah would you prer neon or glowing green yeah Neon it jeted
is that or Jed is the delix fellow you know what's really also interesting about this from exploring it is that it's not just these leaders that come together it's coming internally all the employees are pushing the the uh leadership to do this so it's really a uniform movement that's across the board and and all I was just fascinated by all the different types of companies that are involved with it it's not just software and it it's consumer companies and things like that and Stephen I know you know a lot about this as well yeah I'm
very excited about what's going on with sustainable it um the the the this organization as you mentioned um the thing that gets me about them is that they're not just you know about you know they're not just chatting and and blabbering about oh we wish there's a lot of muscle behind this thing I mean number one as you pointed out the variety of companies that are involved in sustainable it is just kind of mindboggling it and and and across the spectrum of various indust I mean they've got case studies um from you know Sun Belt
Rentals and Rackspace and ADP and all these things on their website the other thing that's get that that I really like is the fact that they're trying to Define standards and metrics so that you can actually compare organization to organization how you're doing on these things now some of these I think are going to be pretty sad I want to uh specifically call out s230 which is the standard for eco-friendly business travel which let me tell you is going to be ugly because there's just no way to have sustainable business travel that doesn't involve horses
and especially as you go higher up exactly as you get above the Earth it becomes less and less sustainable but the thing is they're measuring this stuff and they're going to be reporting on this stuff and I'm starting to look at these uh companies as we're going to these analyst days I mean you know Allan Mitch I mean you know we we I've seen you guys at these analyst days and I've seen you guys asking the question you know tell me about you know the the sustainability tell me about your sustainability goals tell me about
your sustainability report and they're becoming more and more um nuanced and more and more specific so Bonnie one of the things that you've talked about quite a lot is scope one versus scope two and three and the companies are starting to report on that and I think that that is the result of initiatives like this to open their eyes and and and really have a conversation about sustainability and instead of just sort of waving a magic wand and saying yeah we're green yeah exactly having having those metrics are a big deal and those standards those
that's all new that's all coming out now and just this week I mentioned climate we it's climate week in New York and this week sustainable it has a whole program they're involved with the UN as I mentioned on global initiatives for um it sustainability I was telling Josh that it's it's hard to believe this in three years like the the amount of um explosive growth that they've had in membership and interest and everything and also from governments so interesting to watch so Stephen how detailed are those reports because sometimes I feel like you know we'll
hear somebody put out a statement about their sustainability initiatives and on page 42 in a footnote it'll say you know and we bought a bolt load of carbon credits from Elon Musk and we're good Elon is the carbon credit well I would say that uh the the nice thing about sustainability uh sustainable it.org is that they're trying to make them very detailed and specific they've got specific metrics like I said numbered metrics with units with uh and I think that the goal there is to kind of push the the industry forward a little bit so
that they can't just wave their hands so that they have to you know I mean it's the equivalent of like miles per gallon you know you have to have a specific metric you have to have a specific test that shows that metric and they've got dozens maybe hundreds of these metrics on their website that they're pushing people to use I think that's a smart move it's a move in the right direction um are companies using this yet well maybe not so much but I think they will increasingly right I mean Bonnie that's that's what you
heard uh during your interview yeah and that's what I've seen there there I mean the amount of organizations that I said are that are joining in their growth that and the variety of them indicate the answer is yes especially when you have these leaders that are getting it from the from their own employees from their own shareholders there's just enough encouragement that they they want to have the metrics and then be able to compare them and I'm sure it's goes on they'll be rated and and things you know in terms of their implementation Stephen do
you think we will you know we go to conferences all the time physical conferences and we go to Vegas and you think there'll be some meter somewhere up top that says you know and this is how much carving was consumed to bring 6,000 people to a conference in Vegas I have seen 13 I have seen some companies thinking about that now honestly right now with technology the way it is I don't think there's any way to really reduce uce that too much except by being smarter about ticketing and travel and so on but I mean
ultimately um I've been to conferences where the conference organizers bought carbon carbon credits to offset the that for cucon I believe [Music] yeah can you get me a soap box because I I've got to step up that's explain this let me let me tell everybody in hide Park to get off the Box you're yeah so and I've said this before about things when will we get serious as an industry about sustainability when our customers demand it when people are willing to withhold money and they're going to say I'm willing to pay to make it sustainable
that's when we'll make this happen and I don't see that happening when a good portion of our population supports agenders that say there's no such thing as climate change that wind power causes cancer it kills bald eagles and all the other nonsense conspiracy theories that get threshed about in this country until that until people rise up and say bull crap this is serious and it's important to us and we need to pay for it because our kids' lives and our grandchildren's lives are dependent on it it's often not and I'll step off my soap box
right there all right I got to go find you're I'm sorry what no other than that you're you're all for it right other than that yeah no I'm a big I'm a big supporter of it I I think we are but I think a lot of people talk about it give you the wink wink because at the end of the day it's drill baby drill and and by the way that's not just one party go look at the increase in in oil and gas production today than we have this absolutely and we don't have neither
candidate for president wants to do anything about fracking or any of this other stuff so it is what it is and until that changes I don't know if we can really have the the muscle we need for these Island yeah I think it's growing just from looking at this organization and their impact and also the AI and data center demand and that a big part of that there are government incentives to have more solar and more wind so that that's where you are today there are they make go way depending I think we're all betting
at this point on you know these technologies that are going to consume carbon and find places to store it and take it out of the atmosphere because I think we're past the point of making any material difference I I actually read an article on that today some some folks are experimenting with changing the chemistry of the sea that would allow us to be 2000 it would allow it to be like 2,000 times more carbon dioxide it would be able to absorb what could go wrong what could possi go wrong like it I'm now officially terrified
because I read that article that article too right yeah you're on fish tank don't start with the c yeah well I don't know Bonnie anything else you'd like to add uh yeah I will be at this conference that they're having in Austin Texas uh next month um and speaking of big people that are coming going to be hosting a fireside chat with the chief sustainability officer of Dell really very Co that Friday yeah so um they're just getting the demand and the interest from a variety of companies it's a global that that's going in I'm
very honored to be part of it actually speaking of that today I'm on my way to Miami for the smart smart cities conference where we may address some of the things we were talking about earlier with um managing traffic and energy and urban infrastructure so there's just a lot of movement in this space overall with lots of people with great ideas and that's why Barney is who she is right we need people like her banging this drum and and and leading it thank you thanks for what you do all right I think that's going to
wrap up today's texure gang it was it was an interesting gang Three Mile Island who's IA with that um we will be back tomorrow Hey Stephen when's the next tech field day uh today um so we're actually doing an exclusive event uh with Nokia uh literally uh right now as people are watching this we're going to be going live probably right after Tech strong gang airs um and then uh we've got another event coming up uh AI data infrastructure field day which is all about uh the data storage support for AI That's October 2nd and
3 fantastic very cool stuff all right well everyone we do have a full Tech field day after this and and more techr TV Stephen one thing we did mention also if you ever want to watch any of the old Tech Field Days the the techfield day YouTube channel yeah absolutely just go to YouTube techfield day there's tons and tons of great content out there um we're going to be posting all the Edgefield Day stuff today as well and so you'll be able to uh catch some of the stuff that I talked about earlier in the
episode so every day is a tech field day yeah every day could be a tech field day I don't think Stephen A we do it sustainability wise though yeah they're carbon neutral all right hey we're out of here have a great day everyone happy Tuesday we'll see you tomorrow for mortech strung gang [Music] [Music] [Music] oh [Music]
