All right welcome back to another episode of theology applied I am your host Pastor Joel webin with right response Ministries in this episode I'm welcoming to the show Brian s and Ben Garrett the co-host of haunted Cosmos now what we're going to be talking about is the Giants many of you watch the episode that Ben and I did a couple months ago that focused on the Watchers and the nephila fallen angels and their Immediate Offspring with the daughters of men a humanoid hybrid between Fallen Angel and human being the nephila but now we're going to
be looking with Brian coming on the show to join us as well at The Offspring descendants of the Nephilim which gives us various tribes in classifications of giants the first thing that you need to know is this not all Giants are the same some giants like Goliath may have been 10 11 12T tall but there are other Giants we believe and The Bible validates this that were 30 35 40t tall different classifications different tribes different special abilities and techniques that they learned Through the Ages through their fathers all the way back up to the Fallen
Angels who taught them various things that's what we're discussing in this episode and it's going to be fantastic now I'd be remiss if I didn't mention this Brian and Ben are going to be joining me live in person at our Conference happening March 1st 2nd and 3rd this is the blueprints for chrisom 2.0 conference and we're going to do a live 90minut haunted Cosmos show if you haven't registered for the conference tickets are selling out you need to go and register today you can go to WR response conference.com again WR reson conference.com to register and
see a live haunted Cosmos show with Brian Ben and I at our conference we'd love to Meet you there without further Ado let's go ahead and get ready to start the show applying God's word to every aspect of life this is theology applied [Music] all right we're going to get right into it Ben Garrett go ahead and just lead the way here give us a little bit of a synopsis a bit of a framework how do we go to Giants how do where do they even come from did fallen angels Nephilim the Whole nine yards
give us the synopsis version I'd love to Joel so we we start with giants in Genesis 64 where we're told that the sons of God came into the daughters of men at that and at that time the Nephilim were on the Earth at that time and any time after when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and the supernatural view which is the historically Orthodox view is that the sons of God is referring to fallen angels and the daughters of men are just The daughters of men the human beings that are women
and they create this Offspring that's a hybrid of the two a partially Divine and partially human Earthbound Offspring called the Nephilim and what's interesting is when the Greeks were doing their translation into the they without question every time the Nephilim Hebrew word came up which is gorum they translated it into the Greek as Giants as yeah gigas and then we see That popping up later through the Old Testament as well in numbers multiple times and in Deuteronomy referring to other Canaanite Clans that Israel had to go in and dispossess and Destroy and multiple times it
refers to them for example like the anakim as the direct descendants of the Nephilim and they were giants and and when the spies go in to spy out the land of of Canaan that they're going to go in and take they come back and say well we're really Scared because there's Giants there and the Nephilim are there and we looked like grasshoppers compared to them so that's that's a really quick overview of how we get there and I've heard people of jackon say well are you going to believe these liver you know you know yellow
bellied cowardly Israelite spies about how big these people were um they were just exaggerating but the crazy thing is that as the narrative develops through the Old Testament first of all In that context nobody disputes that they were giant that they were huge not even Caleb not even the guy who wasn't afraid that's not the point but then later we see that the people of God are always fighting giants a the is is Giant Goliath and his brothers I mean these there the the the existence of giants in the Old Testament is just sort of
almost casually like oh yeah and then there were some Giants that they had to fight and and it was pretty metal but then God You know cut their heads off and and now now there's no more of that like it doesn't it just acts like that's a nor to me how casually it references it demonstrates how widespread this knowledge was in the ancient world that oh yeah there were giants like all over the place yep I completely agree uh Giants in the days of Noah so some time period were quick in the days of Noah
um but also it seems like Abraham was fighting giants and potentially he even Had a couple Giants who teamed up with him not that they were like wholly necessarily but more neutral so Abraham's got giant so there's Noah time period Giants there's Abraham time period of course there's Moses um and then and then Joshua and then you have David and it seems like David's kind of rounding up some of the last of them but it seems as though maybe some might have continued so those are the kind of things we want to talk about Giants
uh Real quick though with the Nephilim uh the key word in my assessment me and Ben were talking about this offline but the word whenever so so that you know it says that the Nephilim were there on the earth uh Before the Flood and after and some translate it but the the better translation from from my study the Hebrew word is it's not a when the the sons of God saw you know took the daughters of of uh men but it's actually whenever so I think that explains like How do they how do we get
Giants Nephilim and then Giants from the Nephilim After the flood um because it seems as though this is something that these Fallen Angels uh did multiple times that they took the daughters of men Before the Flood uh but then it happened again After the flood so so we're not saying that Giants are surviving necessarily you know or Nephilim on on rafts um not you know be the reason why I wouldn't hold that Position is because I like to think that that God flooded the Earth for the a reason and it wasn't in vain that God
was successful um but that that this happened again and that kind of blows out of the water the speculation that that Giants uh would be smaller because if it's if it's actually the sons of God a second time so you're starting first generation Nephilim again then then the Giants that Abraham you know post flood after Noah that that Abraham's facing Joshua Moses these may not be you know 10th Generation giants that are maybe a little smaller in stature that could be the case with David but it seems like um when Amos says that uh the
amorites were as tall as cedar trees that could be true what do you guys think about that definitely agree yeah there's some Legends in uh in Pagan history of their equivalent of OG this king of Bashan that Moses goes in and defeats um they're equivalent and and they say that OG held on to the back of the Ark and was able to basically hold on and tread water and survive the flood and I I don't think that you need that no because of the wording of Genesis 64 where clearly seems to indicate at least the
possibility that the same Watcher and and human cohabitation event took place that the fornication event took place multiple times before and after the flood and then after the flood they just began um just like the rest of the World taking more distinct Clans among themselves like the refaim the anakim the emim the zuim yeah you even see you know close to Mount Herman where it it seems like some of this activity was centered around this Nephilim activity that we we have megalithic structures like the the gilgal which literally means the wheel of Giants or the
wheel of ghost there's some speculation that the that may have been an excarnation chamber for aug in His body like a place where they would put his body a bone uary um you can see how these places might become uh places of worship over time where people would venerate these you know like uh Spiritual Beings or these great beings these Mighty Men the garim you know as as it is and you could see how all these Legends and worship might grow up around these different real personalities who have real spiritual connection and begin to enslave
and demand worship uh you see Giants Associated over and over in folklore as well as even we believe in scripture with eating people yeah they're people eaters they're devourers of men and just the ubiquity of these folkloric accounts across time and culture I think really demonstrates you know not some sort of just Collective unconscious that people are you know inventing the same mythology over and over but that these are actually rooted in in actual historic events that took Place um even with characters in The Bible like Nimrod for example right yeah yeah can you guys
talk about Nimrod for let's unpack Nimrod a little bit here Joel I would love to talk we would love to I mean like bro tell me about n so yeah n nimrod really fascinating because we don't get a lot of information in scripture about him except for his name and the fact that he is a mighty Hunter before the Lord and also the fact that he founded cities like Babel uh like Babylon and Nineveh and so the idea is that Nimrod was kind of the head honcho of the Tower of Babel project build and what's
interesting is when you really get into the subtitle Mighty Hunter before the Lord what you learn is that in the original Hebrew text it's clearly meant to indicate that he was a tyrannical opponent of God yeah so when it says Mighty Hunter before God it means that he was a hunter of men that God was disgusted with and part of how We get that understanding is that nimrod's name actually means the Rebel or to Rebel or the rebellious one and then also in other uh neare Eastern histories we get clear parallels with Nimrod like in
the character of nerta even Marduk Osiris in Egypt even uh even Hercules in Greece where the both of these men that all biblical Scholars secular and Christian agree are probably based on the same person went through Mighty acts of Valor in order to win Favor among the gods and among men and uh and and even stuff like the flood narrative where nerta is fighting against the God who sent the flood in the hopes of saving the people that he's leading twisting scripture into saying that the God who sent the flood is actually the bad guy
yeah and nerta or Nimrod is actually the one who's good trying to save everyone so it's just really striking to me how you get these clear connections with even older myths Uh and it really makes you pause and question are all these myths lies uh or are they rooted in truth and and if so how far does that truth go even that that overtone that you hear there about the recasting of these stories in Pagan mythology where the villains of scripture are recast as heroic figures is unsurprising and that the god of the Old Testament
is evil this is again just warmed over gnosticism that the god of The Old Testament is a lesser deity who created the physical world and that to be truly enlightened is to escape his worship and worship the true deity that's above him and there's a lot of these uh Rhymes that you see across ancient mythology and ancient Pagan cultic ideas where they they end up essentially inverting the story of scripture in a way where the serpents become the hero instead of the serpent Crusher and yet what we see in scripture With the Giants particularly is
that they're are rich forground or or a soil where many typological pictures of Christ's Victory grow up you know for example Goliath when Goliath comes out and taunts the Israelites he is clothed in Scales it's told he's clothed in like a coat of male it's like the Hebrew word quasim some something like that and it's used to describe dragon or fish scales so here's this serpent-like giant figure who comes out um David calls him a dog Which is to say like you're an uncircumcised you're outside of the Covenant people and then what does David do
he crushes his head with a stone and then he cuts off his head with his own weapon and this is exactly what Christ the true Shepherd King does to the the greater giant of the greater giant of The Serpent and of death itself he disarms him he puts him to open shame and even through his own weapon of Death Christ cuts the head off of he crushes The head of the serpent so all of these these giant this giant stuff is actually not just some peripheral little Oddity it actually runs right through the center in
many ways of the Redemptive type of logical story of the Old Testament so that's why I do think it's important that we don't just go oh that's kind of an oddity but we really pay attention yeah no I think you're absolutely right Giants are everywhere in the Old Testament and I you know We've been preaching through the Book of Joshua we actually just finished uh with my Church Covenant Bible Church and you know Joshua being a type of Christ you know he I mean even leading after the death of Moses who was also a type
of Christ so it's like you have one Christ type who dies you know and then there's this three-day period you know it says in three days time you will cross over the Jordan River the river signifies I think of John bunan and Pilgrims Progress there's this uh you know symbol of death and so Israel now led by the second you know Christ type so it's like Christ dies in Moses death three days time they crossed the Jordan uh now under Joshua type of Christ so this Resurrection uh but they're resurrected not unto rest but they're
resurrected unto war and you think of the church militant um that yes uh We've died with Christ yes we've risen again with Christ but we've been resurrected in this life The church here on Earth not to rest that comes later but we've been resurrected given resurrected life for the purpose of war and then under Joshua Yeshua this deliverer a type of Christ um primarily what he's doing is he's cutting off the heads of snakes uh he's going you know I mean he even takes his Men of War his Chiefs of War um and there's five
particular kings that unite against Joshua and he you know as the battle's still raging he he wants to you Know kill them properly the death that they deserve and make a you know a mockery of them an example of them and so you know they're taken captured and they're put into a tomb just like Christ it's a cave uh in a mountain and they cover it with a Stones just like you know Jesus laid in the Tomb um and then they go and run down all the rest of of the men the fighting Men of
War under these five Kings and they they neutralize the threat then they come Back they move the stones and they take these Kings out um alive and lay them on their backs and Joshua has his Chiefs of the war put their their feet on their necks um as as a sign of of uh God's superiority his Supremacy over all the false gods of the pagans in Canaan uh but also as a promise to the people of Israel that they would take heart uh and be encourage that God would continue to do this so Joshua is
uh he he's snuffing out all the kings but even when Joshua Says I am going to go the way of all the Earth he's going to die um and he gives the allotments of of land as inheritances to each of the various tribes of Israel um not all the enemies are gone but there there's a significant the significant threat has been neutralized these Kings have been cut off uh but there's still inhabitants in in each of these various inheritances of land given to the each of the respective tribes of Israel so they're expected to to
finish the job and I think of that in the big picture of Christ in his his life his death and resurrection that uh that he is neutralized the the the lethal portion of the threat uh that that the lethal weapon that Satan possess has now been you know stripped from him that that he has uh crushed the head of the serpent but that doesn't mean that there's not any more battle left to do now now the church is going to go and Run them down it's the the strong man right if you're going to plunder
the house first bind the strong man and that's what Christ has done but the house still needs plundering and there are various enemies along the way but the big enemy has been taken out and that's I I feel like that's what you see with Abraham you see it with Moses with Joshua and David who also is a type of Christ you see they're all giant killers and then Jesus comes and slays you know The the true ultimate Giant and then we true Israel the church are going to run them down we we've inherited the Earth
the the meek inherit the earth um but but we have to have this mindset of we're still at War uh it's not time to rest yet uh and so there so you're absolutely right there's spiritual implications it's fun to talk about but it's not just fun to talk about it'll preach right y that's right that's right finally a coffee company doesn't hate You and your beliefs today's sponsor squirrly Joe's Coffee is a thoroughly Christian company that ships seriously good coffee straight to your front door owned and operated by Joe Morris and his family out of
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see you at the conference in [Music] March all right so tell me a little bit more about Nimrod because you said something Ben just a second ago that that kind of threw me off um because it sound it sounded like you said something that that might be pre flood but then you also said that you know maybe he's accredited with founding Nineveh and and Babel and uh these other cities which would be post flood so so what what were you saying there can can you clarify that what what was the pre flood thing That I
said maybe I just got confused so Nimrod was after the flood I'm just clarifying okay and and mighty man of renown was he are we saying that he was a first generation Nephilim that like he he is halfen Angel or are we saying that he's one of the Giants down the line so I think uh I think that maybe he is a first generation Nephilim because of the way that his geneology is spelled out in Genesis where it says that kush fathered Nimrod it's this really interesting Thing it says Kush fathered Nimrod who was a
mighty Hunter before the Lord and then when it goes into kush's Generations Nimrod is not mentioned at all and so it does make me wonder if there was some kind of bastardization that was attributed to because perhaps Kush offered up his wife this is like completely speculative by the way we have no way of knowing this is true but but it it would just be one way to try to harmonize these two data points that Seemed to be at least a little bit finicky where maybe Kush offered up his wife to one of the Fallen
Angels uh as an offering and Nimrod was the product of that offering uh or I have heard some Roman Catholics say that their idea is that the Fallen Angels actually uh possessed human men and that was how they achieved this Union I don't think I really give that much credit but it is what it is it's an idea and that was how the Nephilim were produced with Possessed men who were inhabited by fallen angels with normal women that could help explain the genealogical differences but the essential truth is still there and that's that Nimrod was
either a first generation Nephilim or at at the very least a later generation giant if the sted which of it is to be believed and then if you also take that and harmonize it with the other myths that are clearly alluding to the same character uh even even with h with nerta Being the god of the hunt in Mesopotamia I mean it's quite literally the same supposed to be the same guy then you have to to realize that he was thought by every ancient person to be a giant demigod essentially who was able to even
build mountains in the mesop in the Mesopotamia myth as a as as a sort of uh insult to the God who sent the flood and that of course reminds us of the Tower of Babel yeah even we we go into quite a bit of detail surrounding Hercules and Inera and Nimrod in in upcoming episode of haunted Cosmos season which episode six episode six of season two is going to be devoted to the we just recorded it actually the giant um the giant lore of the Bible essent the giant history of the scriptures and then the
the seventh episode of That season will'll be branching out into really far-flung giant folklore and mythology proper that goes out uh across the world even into the modern day uh in that seventh Episode so even in that you know we don't have our notes in front of us here but if you compare Hercules and inera and the task the 11 tasks and 12 tasks yeah you you find so much overlap with this time period and the hunting you know Trope that there's at least a compelling like wow what if what if they're actually talking about
Nimrod and just the same way that the flood myth many of them recapitulate Noah into a different mythological character and Let's not forget that when Nimrod was at large in the world everyone was able to speak the same language and understand each other at least for a portion of his life so it would make sense that after their language is confused they disperse and the myth of nimrod becomes corrupt Ed here and there exaggerated here and there he becomes a hero instead of an antihero it all it all makes perfect sense when you think about
how human works with how humans work with stories Yeah totally I you think of Hercules and it's like okay his father is is a God you know like uh and and in the case of Hercules both his father and mother you know but but the point is that like he's a demigod he's he's kind of like half half man half God you know that that he's you know he he's Flesh and Blood he actually is Mortal you know he can die but he has this divine Godlike Angelic strength and it's like well I mean there's
so many stories like That with so many cultures geographically spread way out and and very very old um that that it makes you think maybe it's not just a coincidence I think part of the problem is that you know we think of the Ancients we think of people from very long ago as being that they were all stupid we just think they were all stupid and that we're so smart um but these are people who are keeping records sure like I'm sure they had some concept of entertain like we do Today um but but even
when you when you look at things like B wolf that you know that that was um you know perhaps meant to be entertaining and meant to be fictional it it doesn't it doesn't have the detail but then you you look at other other pieces of old literature and it's like well this this seems like they're trying to account for history and not just a madeup story and and so all that makes perfect sense to me um do you guys know anything about arba uh That he's the father of anak and then anak coming down you
know the anakim coming down his line that's where we get Goliath did you guys discuss any of that no I I read briefly some stuff about arba but I couldn't remember it and then I got I got too I got too enthralled with the anx stuff yeah with anakim and neim and right so okay well let's I I'll I'll talk about arban in a second but real quick you guys have named several tribes can you can you do your best it Doesn't have to be exhaustive but all these different tribes that that have Giants are
one question is are they all Giants or these are tribes that Giants are among can you and how many are of these tribes are there I I kind of want to see if we can get into classifications of Giants and even discuss um from the scripture as much as we can but then maybe a little bit of speculation about sizes of these Giants and even skills like Nimrod was you know A hunter um so so talking about classifications or tribes of giants um sizes of Giants and then and then various skills or even I don't
know supernatural abilities that they may have possessed I like the idea that the giant Clans because of their association with false worship uh had a hobby of collecting people and that they liked to collect human followers like full you normal people followers as their sub you Know basically like their servants and their worshippers and tried to establish you know this common story we see through history that the the king or the ruler is somehow the son of the gods or he's semi Divine he's you know like Pharaoh the son God was my third cousin twice
removed kind of thing and so I I like the idea or I think it's coherent with history and scripture that some of these giant Clans probably had human followers as well mixed in with the Clans and the tribes that they were inter breeding even but that they also demanded worship of them so you see like the zuim the rfim the anakim the the eim zuim means tall ones something a lot of the the giant kind of Association is even buil long neck right yeah even big people I think like girgashite is another one uh hivite
uh the gath the gites of course the sons of gath um but and then of course the Canaanites and the Philistines we know that the Philistines had as well even one terms of size and classification yeah there is a kind of thread that I find that I don't think is that plausible I think is more exaggeration and and that's I believe in the Enoch tradition in The Book of Enoch I think there are examples of giants that are hundreds of feet tall and I don't know that I necessarily would go that far yeah I've Looked
into Enoch a little bit and it depends on I forget the name of the measurement Ben you might know he says thousands of blank whatever this unit is right um that it depends on like what what is that is that you know is it equivalent to a centimeter then then maybe but if not then you know depending how you interpret the actual you know like the Bible will say a cubit and a cubit is about you know a foot and a half 18 inches um but but Enoch uses I Can't remember the word but a
particular term that's a unit of measurement that that apparently I mean you would have to assume it would be small but you would have to assume it would be really small like like a centimeter cimeter yeah yeah and then you get giants that are like 90 feet tall if if it's a foot you're talking like thousand some you know thousands of feet Giants which that one's hard to that one's hard to swallow go ahead there's the whole um this is a Classic YouTube or um memed kind of ancient history as spooky and Supernatural and weird
where it's like the plateaus are tree stumps yeah and and there's no forest in the world mountains were Forest they're 100 foot tall there thousand foot tall Giants and they chopped down these Plateau trees and look at all the so I think a lot of that is just um you know mythol people being speculative and and trying to get clicks you know what though to your Point there is there is an important scriptural example of a unit of measure uh changing dramatically that that changes the story yeah it completely changes the story so and it's
Goliath it says in I believe the ESV V uses the Goliath would have been 9t in more like 10 because the the the oldest Hebrew text that we have coresponding to that passage in the Old Testament which is which is later than the septent by the way uh says that he was six cubits and a Span which would be 9 feet n inches so the idea is that the Hebrew scholar who was putting it back into Hebrew is noticing the fact that the alexandrians used a different measure for Cuban and so he to try to
be consistent to to do the right thing is putting it back into the Hebrew measurement so that his audience would understand what the Egyptians wanted to convey and this is important because if you take the 6 fo Nish height it's difficult to see what Was so scary about Goliath given that King Saul was likely six foot six or so he was six and a half feet tall he was like a foot a head taller than everybody in in that day so why would Goliath at 6'6 I mean we have people taller than I've known people
taller than that we have people in our church tall than that and I don't think that they could fight effectively with a spear that weighed 50 pounds and with armor that weigh 160 diameter you know kind of right well This is one verse that I think is helpful uh to to that end it's Deuteronomy chapter 1 ver 28 it says where can we go up our Brethren have made our hearts melt saying the people are bigger and taller than we the cities are large and fortified to heaven and besides so that is in addition to
what's already been stated people are bigger and taller than we and besides we saw the sons of the anakim there so so the point is that that it's not oh they're Are giants and Giants are guys who are you know four five six inches taller than we are yeah right because I mean there's there's an argument to be made that at this time you know the people in general were a little bit shorter than maybe the average man today so if the average man today is whatever it is 59 5'10 you know or even let's
say six feet then maybe you know it was like 5'6 5'7 you know and so okay so you know the the average guy in Israel is like 5'7 and you know if somebody's you know six feet tall you know that's well okay well that could maybe account for part of that verse and the reason why I like this verse again Deuteronomy 1 128 um it made our hearts melt saying the people are bigger and taller than we so if there's you know if all the people are only five inches taller but it's all of them
that is still intimidating because it's like you know pound forp pound man for man you know these guys are bigger And stronger than us but that's not the only thing that's said is the people are bigger and taller than we the cities are large and fortified to heaven and besides all this we saw the sons of the anakim there and that's what actually terrifies them and that's where you get the language of the anakim is that's where you get the language of like we were like grasshoppers um you know and they said we saw ourselves
we we viewed ourselves as though we were grasshoppers To them um but we were so also in their sight they saw us as grasshoppers so it's not just us being cowardly and it's like you know we know that the 10 spies right the 12 minus Joshua and Caleb they brought a bad report but the Bible doesn't say as you guys mentioned earlier that they brought a deceitful report they brought a bad report if I go to the doctor and he says you've got cancer and it's true that's a bad report right but but that doesn't
mean he's Lying I may not like it but you know so they give a bad report um but but there's nothing in the biblical text that that requires us to interpret that as though it's deceitful and it's not just they're bigger and taller like let's say on average they're 5 six inches taller but but even beyond that there are giants among them and the anakim as you look into them and like you know coming from that's where Goliath came from from gath goes all the Way back to anak and anak this is what I was
getting at with arba his father it says the most renowned among the anakim wasn't actually anak but his father who was arba um and it makes me think the language seems similar it says he was the most renowned among them it uses that renowned word it makes me think of again back to nimrod man of renown it it seems as though some of these guys not that a giant you know six Generations down couldn't be you know famous for for Such and such or or exceedingly large um but it does seem like that the original
first generation Nephilim that um that that would come from an A Watcher a fallen angel and and one of the daughters of of Cain or later on post flood I think it would be a watcher Fallen Angel and then a daughter of Canaan perhaps um but but those first generation nephine half Watcher you know half angel half man um that these are the guys that like Nimrod or or arba and these are the most renowned guys who then they give birth to a various tribes of giants in the case of arba the anakim and the
anakim goes all the way down so I think this probably happened shortly after the flood uh because Canan U well you know his father um was was wicked and then you know Noah curses his grandson his father's son Canan and it's the same all over again you've got Adam and Eve and you got Seth and then but then you have Cain and he goes off and he does his thing in Rebellion to God well now you've got Cain and he's doing his thing and and so it seems like the the the Watchers saw that whichever
ones were left that were able to survive the flood because the flood only wipes out that which has breath in its lungs and so the Watchers don't fall into so I think the Watchers that that actually came into the daughters of men were locked in Gloomy dungeons but it doesn't say that All the Fallen Angels actually committed that act and so there could be another batch of angels not falling from heaven already fallen but now committing this act again who have not been locked uh in Gloomy dungeons taking the daughters of men procreating with them
and now doing it with you know who's going to be susceptible to that well not Cain's daughters they've been wiped out but canan's daughters post flood and they're there's where you get a nimrod type Figure as a first generation half fallen angel or an arba figure and then coming down off of their lines at least in the case of arba that's where you get the anakim and then way down all the way to David that's where you get 10 foot giants like Goliath who is a son of the anakim son of gath down from anakim
but but what would what would ARA's son anoch have looked like if if Goliath multiple Generations down is 9 foot n what what going working back up now from Not the days of David but up back to like the days of Abraham or or Moses or Joshua um the these could when the Bible says they look like Cedar they were like cedar trees maybe maybe it's not an exaggeration our sponsors private family banking Partners is on a mission to help Christians live out the Dominion mandate by making a stealth likee move away from the mainstream
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or the business that you want to buy or sell see their contact information in the show notes below so we can see a pretty direct correlation to time from the flood to size of giant when we compare Goliath's size whichever ever Interpretation you take to aug's size which presumably is the size of his bed which is 14 feet long and six feet wide and it's all for him and the one of the reasons that I think that that's actually a good uh measure for aug's actual size was because another interpretation for bed or another translation
for bed could be sarcophagus or coffin yeah so it very well could be talking about the coffin that Aug was laid in and you wouldn't need to make a Coffin any bigger than the person that's being laid in in it uh apart from that some people say that the the large bed is actually an illusion to a Babylonian Sex Magic Ritual I don't think that that plays out at all because it says that OG was The Last Remnant of the refaim that was east of the Jordan River so we know that he had to be
huge yeah so we can reliably then say okay well then the bit about his bed being 14 feet long and six feet wide is probably giving us a good Indication of actually how big it is so in the J in the generations between OG who is the last of the refaim east of the Jordan all the way down to Goliath we have a clear reduction in size from something like 25 feet down to 10 feet that's a pretty big reduction in size and and where did we get the 25 I I I see we were
going Aug to Goliath 14 10 14 feet not 14 cubits my fault so yeah yeah okay gotcha gotcha but yeah so like but you're right and his bed if it's not A coffin if it is an actual bed it's also significant not just its measurements but that it's made of iron because that's another thing that we don't think of um you know it's like if you've got a 12T dude um and and if a six- foot guy is 200 pounds the 12 foot guy is not going to be 400 pounds that's not the way math
Works no he's right it's going to be e exponentially um because otherwise he'd just be a bean pole and and a gust of wind would knock Him over but but if everything proportionally is is bigger than than a guy you know if a six foot guy is 200 lb then a 12T guy with the same proportions um I I don't even know the math on that but what 8 800 or or a, or 1,200 PBS so much es I mean you can even look at like silver back gorillas and how strong and powerful and and
they're not even super tall relative to people right so there's also some proportional things we don't know when we look at these warlike People and look at the weapons Goliath was 150 pounds of armor and you know this 50 pound spear um also think it's important to note that you know the the whole idea of them seeing the Nephilim this is this is straight out of numbers 13 they say we there we saw the Nephilim yeah and we seem to ourselves like Grasshoppers and that that's what they say we saw the Nephilim so post flood
you have to say they were there they were how how did they get there you have To account for this and the giant angle as well I was going to note as well I think it it's if someone's interested in um someone who I think gets the chronological snobbery thing and gets the um the reality of how these myths actually support the biblical text from Pagan cultures if you read just Andy Wilson's ashtown burials series it's a fictional series but in it he he basically sets all of these characters Who are trans Mortals they've like
become immortal they can't die and he brings in all these characters from ancient mythology into the modern story and it's really fascinating the way that he does it and you know like Gilgamesh is there and there's all these you know by the way a lot of people think that Gilgamesh was Nimrod missionary David Livingston thought that Gilgamesh was Nimrod and and what I love about the series is he Says like if you were to bind one of these trans mortal giant type creatures in a block of stone they can't die so they're in there that
within um a decade people would be um within a decade people would be worshiping there it' be an altar within a century it there would be a temple built around it within like he the the draw of these demonic um Cults that build up around these things they're not just people who were big they there is always a clear overtone of Blood sacrifice um human eating horrible demonic worship and practices the law of Canaan the law of Canaan yeah it's built like you go and you see the the the things that happening in the land
when God sent them in to wipe the the the inhabitants out they are all associated in ancient mythology and folklore with Giants and this actually opens the door to two different avenues that you can go down the first going back to aug's bed being made of iron gets into the the Problem of people of that long ago having the knowhow and the skill to actually rot a bed of iron uh this is very difficult even today to do something that big out of just pure cast iron is very very difficult and so it does make
you think like well was there certain skills that were passed down and if we go back to the anian tradition we remember that the Watchers gave certain skills it was almost like they were brands for the people where one of them Taught them Metallurgy one of them taught them Weaponry the other one was Cosmo or cosmetology and then cosmology and astrology and then you also take all that and then what Brian just said where it it inevitably goes go back to worship wherever you see it and you look again at that thing that we briefly
mentioned earlier the gilgal reim the wheel of Giants and one of the things that's really crucial to understand about that is that the way it's laid out lines up Perfectly with the solstice and Equinox dates in the year we go and and we know most likely uh well actually we do know that it was there when OG was king of Bastion so he would have known about this monument and any King in the old days was the pontifex Maximus as essentially Israel being the exception where there's a high priest and a king uh and and
so OG was leading worship at this Gila refaim that's what people agree on they they say like it was here It's clearly a place of worship and it may be a tomb for OG since he was the last of the refaim so they felt like it was a good honor to bestow upon this Last Remnant then we go back to acts 7 and we remember that in Steph's sermon he says that the Israelites in those days took up the star of Reen the star of their God Molech where would they learn how to do that
from the Giants where would the from the Canaanites who were full of giants where would the Giants learn how to do that from their fathers who was the demon Molech himself the Fallen Angel Molech or the Fallen star Reen himself and so it's not a coincidence that all of these concentric Circle spiral type megalithic structures are always supposed to be ancient places of worship and almost without exception they line up precisely with special dates on the equinox and the solstices and then astrological formations signs in in in the heavens and then also let's Take it
a step further if you go on Google Earth and you find this Gila refaim place in the Gilead and golen Heights and then you zoom out slightly and look just a little bit to the north there looks to be like a clearly man-made Serpent Mound that's very akin to The Serpent Mound in Ohio and it's all facing towards Mount Herman and so we have all of these pieces coming together and it's a really loose connection because not many people think About this anymore but you have Giants you have serpents you have worship of the host
of Heaven yeah the stars the star refen and Molech and then you also have that that kind of uh archetype of worship spreading from the Middle East from Mount Herman through all the entire world and and so you have places like uh what's the thing in England I can't remember the name Stonehenge Stonehenge places like Stonehenge you have The Serpent mount in Ohio you have the Rings In Africa you have the the nascal lines in in South America gockley tley gockley tley yeah and the sister sites around the same region and then and then and
then you start to ask the question some of these ancient megalithic structures are really big and this ties in again with that making augs bed out of iron how were they able to move these stones near gockley Tey I'm sorry uh in in Peru not gockley Tey uh near tianin by Lake titty Kaka there is a megalithic stone That's 100 tons heavy and it's lifted up onto two pillars and everyone agrees that they would have had to Corey that stone 250 miles 250 miles away yeah how and it's by the way the Corey is at
low elevation close to sea level and this city is at 12 12,000 ft above sea level can you imagine getting today with everything that we have we could a 100 T Stone no that's the thing we literally don't have the means to do that it's not a money Issue it's a technology issue we can't do that we would have to invent custommade technological innovations to attempt it that don't currently exist and so the myth is that the that the gods that built it had a magic trumpet and when they blew the trumpet the sound waves
were able to carry the stone up we're now getting into some the future HMO stuff with like sacred geometry and sacred sound and again we're not saying that all of these things are necessarily Real or true we don't we don't know but when you start to go down this thread of a start with ancient cultic worship and its practices and go outward in architecture and all these different things you find a shocking level of overlap that that actually interestingly comes back to Giant yeah type of lore it's and serpent imagery and serpent imagery so it's
like almost as if the when the Old Testament describes ancient demonic Cultic worship as serpent-like and the Abode of the Giants and dragons and things like that that it's telling the truth right the Bible is true it's almost like it's true and the world is not just stuff so true yeah okay so um man that's fascinating all that um so what what happened to the Giants cuz it seems like Joshua kicked a lot of their butts it seems like Moses was fighting them Abraham arguably I think was fighting Giants and then Moses was fighting a
lot of them and then Joshua fought a ton of them you know so it's like the ones during the days of Noah God took him out in the flood but then you've got you know Abraham Moses Joshua all taking out Giants um but then we know that that they still didn't completely get taken out let me give what one verse with this real quick because I think it's helpful this is um I believe it's actually in Joshua uh Joshua 14 I think it's uh Joshua 11 verse uh 20 21 and 22 says and at that
time came Joshua and cut off the anakims from the mountains from Hebron from Deber uh from anab and from all the mountains of Judah and from all the mountains of Israel Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities there was none of the anakims left in the land of the children of Israel only so not in that land of the children of Israel only in Gaza in gath and in ashdod there remained so Joshua Took the whole land according to all that the Lord had said unto Moses and Joshua gave it for inheritance unto Israel according
to their divisions by their tribes um and so even with Joshua it seems like he took out a a bulk and and that works with that typological preaching you know cryst olical preaching that you know but even then it's not quite done so it's like Joshua you know he's cutting the head off the snake he's you know he's getting them to Put their their feet on the necks of the Kings you know he he's doing the um he's he's rendering the death blow but there's still the the the final you know um finishing touches of
the war that have to be done it seems like you know Joshua takes out he he deals a great blow um but we know that Giants continue because we've got you know Goliath with David but it seems like now they're tapering off so my question is um even with David it seems like he's you know Dotting the eyes and crossing the teas that that Joshua you know had already done um but did any Giants Escape him like like are are there are there any stories of giants in other places besides the Middle East did Giants
make it to Norway or Scotland or any of these things because it's a lot of what Israel does is they they they they put the enemies of God to death at the edge of the sword but they also Drive the inhabitants out of the land in that case Driving them out of the land they're not dead they go somewhere yeah what do you guys think I think that's absolutely accurate that they're being driven out they're being killed and driven out and that they do go other places um I'll give a thematic answer and then I
think Ben probably has some some examples and things as well to add to it but thematically I think it's important to recognize that one of the one of the story arcs that we have gotten Completely wrong in the last 200 years of Christianity is the story arc that wickedness flourishes and the righteous are always driven back and if you just read Psalm 37 you see this temptation enter the thinking of the psalmist where he says you know look at the wicked they're like a great green laurel tree they're spreading out and look Lord the righteous
seem to be you know perishing the righteous seem to be suffering and yet the psalmist does not give into That Temptation and he affirms again yet Lord you're going to cast them down their Glory will be as nothing they I will look for them and not even be able to find that great spreading green seemingly powerful Wicked person anymore they will be driven out so I think two things we need to remember in this kind of storyline first we need to remember that evil is cannibalistic Evil's cannibalistic those who hate wisdom love death and so
Everywhere you see you know cultures built around demonic death Cults they are always devouring themselves over time this is a warning to Modern America that all of our false worship is self-devouring and it will ultimately end in the blood of its worshippers and the second thing is that the meek will inherit the earth that as the people of God go out in obedience and they obey the Lord and put one foot in front of the other and engage in the spiritual War that they're told to engage that the Lord Delights to drive out our enemies
before us so specifically I do think that is what happens with the Giants the cultures they build up are absolute death cultures and they devour themselves and then I also think that as the the righteous go into the land in obedience and don't syncretize like they do later um that you see them driven out and go to other places I'm sure Ben has other specific thoughts on that as well Yeah no I mean I think I think that there's nothing in the Bible that disallows the possibility of multiple Giants maybe hundreds or you know Legions
of giants being alive at the time of nimrod that also dispersed across the Earth when the Tower of Babel was judged by God and the reason that I I air towards that opinion that that did actually happen is because we see other massive pieces of Weaponry found in places like whales in islands like C Even in Russia there's the legend of a a a Giant Warrior who fought against the king and was finally subdued by a woman uh Charlemagne even in Charlemagne's reign in the carolingian time there was a a legend that Charlemagne sent his
Greatest Warrior to fight against a giant in some region of France and and the warrior was able to Prevail and kill the giant uh there was Harry Potter Harry Potter the Giants live in England sorry go there's the there's the trolls And tol King now there's uh there's the story of also charlamagne's Sons riding a giant horse as a spoil of war that was able to carry four of them or three of them at one time um and then there's also bones of course that have been found and the Smithsonian quickly quickly stole them away
and hid them in their Chambers Legend says that the Smithsonian has suppressed right huge amounts of evidence of Ancient Giants and I mean listen listen I think we can All agree that institutions particularly ones in the bed with the powerful government establishment of the world would never do that to us right they would never suppress information the lizard people would never suppress information and aren't there also like Bones have been found so you've named a lot of places but real quick talk about North America yeah so the best example uh in North America there's there's
a few one was the giant mummy that was Found in Califoria Califoria that was 18t tall and they weren't able to disprove it another is The Serpent Mound in Ohio is surrounded by other they say they're Native American burial grounds but every time they look into one they see giant bones and then most of the time this is in like Wisconsin um U Minnesota Ohio area every time they actually ask the Indians of the of the region like the pwes the shaes they always say like oh no yeah we Found those mounts like those are
not we we you know we piled some on top of it but we actually found them as Mounds um and so there's been I mean dozens of cases yeah of people claiming to have excavated giant bones even up to 33 feet tall and and what moderns want to do what moderns love to do is to go ah those superstitious yeah folkloric tradition those superstitious ancient cultures like man isn't it funny how dumb they Are that they thought the giant like that they were giants like wow they must have just thought that all up and to
scare the kids keep the kids close to the campfire at night so they didn't run off into the woods you know moral tales and that kind of thing and those same people will kill a baby right and not think that there's anything religious about it religious well they won't even think it's a baby they won't even think it's a baby yeah those people don't know The difference between a a man or a woman it's it's all it's all religion we just have competing religions right spark of religion like in every man bobing even says in
his pra that every soul is inherently Christian until it's corrupted by their own sin which I think is fascinating it's a bold statement but that is a bold statement I don't particularly like it but I do like I don't like it either but I read it and I was like hey Bobby my inner calvinist Just twist right that's what yeah exactly as a as a calvinist I don't exactly like it unless we're using the word Christian Loosely which I am a fan of doing right unlike my Baptist Brothers is there's only one Christian thing it's
a regenerate individual soul no what what he means I I did I'll provide some context for my brother Herman is right yeah you gotta you gotta defend him because if that's all you say then I I have need to disagree with him what he means is that everyone is born religious and specifically everyone is born with eyes in their head that are capable of looking at the heavens and the Earth seeing the glory of God so in that sense he's saying every soul is is inherently Christian because everyone knows God it's just that some of
them suppress it in unrighteousness okay it's Romans one it's Romans yeah it's Romans one yeah way he said it I was like whoa yeah no But that that is good that's important for people to realize that you know it's not um ignorance doesn't stem from Rebellion but Rebellion stems from ignorance and so um well I'm sorry um Rebellion does not stem from ignorance it's not that people are born intellectually ignorant of the things of God and therefore they're like well I don't know God he hasn't proven himself have to Rebel so Rebellion doesn't come from
ignorance but rather um people are First morally rebellious and therefore um they actually make themselves progressively more ignorant that's Romans 1 is um it it's both things can be simultaneously true and Romans 1 you see that um that people are born um not regenerate um but but they are born able to see true things about God um and they progressively see less and less and less because in in their Rebellion they they're they're they gouge out their eyes they lie and suppress the truth and Deed of unrighteousness so um so the idea if that's what
he's saying then I I completely agree that I I think a child absolutely a young child um on average is is going to have an easier time uh believing basic things that would align with the the Christian world view the world as God made it uh than a guy who has gone through K through 12 you know in the public school system hey to bring It full circle on our beloved reform soia ology even the child desperately Needs the grace of God to have believing Faith uh the soul is not born innocent no human is
born innocent we're born guilty before God so yeah I think that they'd have an easier time consenting to the idea that God made the heavens and the Earth uh but in bobing would of course agree you need the grace of God to be saved yep amen so um so where this is the final thing is okay so you talked about it Ben and Brian Giants just dispersing and it could have been Dispersing because Joshua scared them off we know that happened and they went to various places and that's just one tribe of giants the anakim
uh that they went to Gaza and gath and that's where you eventually get you know um Goliath and then you know David uh same thing he kills Goliath and his brothers and it seems like some other Giants but it doesn't necessarily mean that he killed them all so so Joshua could have scared Giants away right drive them out uh David Drive them out but also like what you said not just being driven out but nimrod before you even get to Joshua and and you know and before you get to when the the whole world had
one language before Babel uh Nimrod and other Giants could have gone to various places all over the world um and and so it's entirely possible whether it's escaping Joshua or escaping David or pre Joshua and pre- David pre Babel even U just traveling in Expeditions that Giants Could Have Been Everywhere over the world so here's the question did we get them all yeah could Giants be alive somewhere today is that possible and if so how have we not found them it is possible it is possible that Giants are still out there today I think it's
also possible that like the blood of numor as it descended through the generations and mingled with lesser men that it was spent in its power and produced less and Less of its potency you know you see that in I'm obviously citing tolken here but I think it's a good example where the new manorian intermingled with lesser men and so their lifespans instead of Aragorn who lives almost you know what 200 years old 22 212 you have uh you know men now going dwindling in their stature and in their their Renown I think some of that
could have happened um as the as Giants went out but but absolutely I think that there is a Chance we have some interesting folklore yeah and modern folklore even of giants still yeah in in 2001 when or I'm sorry 2002 when the US was just beginning its war in Iraq uh there was a huge presence in the city of Kandahar and one of the stories is that there was a patrol team sent out into the mountains surrounding Kandahar to see if they could Scout anything any good positions or something and they never came back and
and they and they Went radio silent for too long and so they sent a Special Forces Unit to try and find this Patrol of men and the Special Forces Unit spent days is hiking through the mountains of Kandahar and finally in front of this cave the mouth of this big cave they saw a lot of the gear from the from these Patrol officers laying around on the rocks and as they were kind of coming to terms with what they were seeing as The Story Goes a spear the size of goliaths maybe bigger Shot out of
the cave and impaled one of the men uh and and went completely through him completely through his vlar vest and everything in one easy stroke and out stepped This 15ot Tall redhaired white- skinned Kandahar giant with six fingers and six toes and it took 30 seconds of 15 men with fully automatic weapons firing nonstop to bring him down 30 seconds that's a really hold your breath for 30 seconds it's a long time and so they radioed to to their local Headquarters and they asked him to send a shanuk the shanuk came grabbed this giant carried
him away the men never saw it again and they had to sign non-disclosure agreements to agree that they'd never say anything but that was after they had already told the legend back uh when they got back to headquarters and so it became an open an openly known lie is what they called it among the troops that were in Kandahar at that time that actually yeah this This unit of Special Forces officers found a giant and killed it and and but but they have to pretend like they didn't but the the government denied that Ben the
government did deny surprisingly Snopes put in for a freedom Freedom of Information Act and the government said oh we didn't take any Giants out of canar we would tell you this is an example of one of these so this is funny I think there's an important Point here to be made about The reliability of information because you you'll often find um that sometimes people privilege ancient folklore as more likely to be true like well I read this folkloric account from you know an ancient e an Eastern European Village from the 1300s or something and and
then you hear stories like this they like ah but that's just made up it's internet stuff it's Reddit it's whatever but those are just our repositories of folklore folklore today so do we know Whether this story is made up out of whole cloth maybe some amalgamation of other stories or is it just entirely true we we can't know we just don't know we're not in a position position to but these kind of stories continue today and there are people who claim to continue to have interactions with I think even Giants today so listener you be
the judge at the end of the day what do you think if you're a giant let us know in the comments and you listening send us a Photo with proof of height no I actually I actually saw a video recently that was insane I don't know it seemed like it'd be hard to fake but I don't know anything about video and it was these uh these guys they were like um in while they were hunting and they looked down on this property line there was a river separating the two properties and in between the trees
and everything was this I mean giant human looking thing yeah like slumped over long arms massive Head and uh and the guys on the video were like what was that and then it just kind of disappeared almost like Bigfoot like Shadow disappearance we have some Bigfoot episodes coming up in haunted Cosmos season two as well I think actually episode three and four right EP three and four three and four we just released episode two as we're filming today so like two weeks from today as we're filming uh the first one will come out but you
see interesting things even With like the Bigfoot lore um Expedition Bigfoot is a show that went out and investigated and they got a thermal image of a very strange bipedal looking thing that when they replicated the exact camera location with a six foot tall man the thing was Far larger did not look like a bear which is the only close thing anaton Ally in the North American Woods that it could have been and so it's just like you're left with this either they hoaxed that for Television it's a bear and we just don't get how
it could be a bear or there was some weird bipedal 89 foot tall thing walking through the North American Woods on an evening that they happen to capture and and the thing that moderns are uncomfortable with but that is true is that all of those three options are possible yeah all almost almost equally possible we we can't it's difficult to evaluate right so a lot of this stuff you're you're going to end up coming Back to eyewitness testimony and when you factor in the spiritual element of some of this and the trickster spiritual element you
can also end up with where you're not actually just dealing with biological creatures maybe but that that there's deception happening as these are some themes we often discuss in Hana Cosmos that that the spiritual World loves to deceive as well and we are not fully aware of its total arsenal of all of the things that it has at its Disposal to deceive maybe it's able to trick a thermal camera maybe it's able to trick human eyes right Paul warns against that an angel of Light appearing and preaching another gospel appearing as an angel of Light
so we have to be aware of deception and keep our eyes fixed on the main things and not fall in any of the ditches of materialism or also wild speculation and total craziness which some Christians can fall into as well um Keep our eye on the prize though that at the end of the day when you look at the whole field of evidence Giants demons Bigfoot all this stuff again and again it comes back to confirm the veracity of the Christian witness in scripture of the true history of the world right right right and I
think that's the temptation of anyone who hates God anyone who ultimately wants to be God himself like our government like Smithsonian or if if there was something True um today found whether it be bones or a living giant or whatever it might be um absolutely I could see how there would be a vested interest and incentive in those who would like to be God to cover it up because all it would do is confirm the scripture right it would immediately take credibility away from materialism and Darwinism and and all the scient it would discredit it
would it would humiliate and embarrass um so many leading authorities today and all Of a sudden it would be us it would be the Christians that uh people would be running to with all their questions because they'd be like oh these guys were right the whole time and these guys were lying you know and and so it there would be when people think well there's no way that that a giant could exist or there's no way that this could exist or that could exist or that there's you know 18 foot tall bones or or whatever
uh that's Not possible because there's no way that that um that that could be hidden or or would be hidden there's no incentive that people don't understand the Allure of power they don't understand how uh how much incentive there's more incentive uh to hiding giant bones um than than there would be for robbing someone of a billion dollars because because the giant bones keeping if if that gets exposed you're talking about a shift of Power and credibility and all these kinds of things it's worth trillions and trillions of dollars over time and so yeah there's
um reputations are on the line and it's entirely possible and we're not saying anything for certain but but I think what we are saying is that the Bible's real and and that God's word is true and that we shouldn't um we shouldn't just think in a in a in a in a chasm in one particular vein like moderns and and think that there's no Possible way that any of these other things could ever be true we want we want to we want to be well-rounded we want to look at the evidence and want to remember
that we live in God's magical world so any final thoughts that you guys have for this episode I was just going to say it it all reminds me of uh the scene in the Silver Chair uh in The Chronicles of Narnia pudle that's what I keep thinking of yeah when when puddleglum finally stands up to to the Queen under which by the way is serpent imagery Earth uh and and the Queen's true form is revealed as this horribly grotesque serpent demon and uh and and one of the things that we should take from that is
that it always behooves it's always a top priority of the powers of darkness and the schemes of the devil to not be seen for what they really are yeah and so if you have a Molex State a god State that's trying to cause everyone to functionally Worship them then it will always be a top priority of theirs no matter what the cost to make sure you don't see it for what it actually is and so it may sound silly when we say like so of course they would hide giant bones and they would tell the
soldiers to shut up but no that really is what they would do like this isn't silly this is just the basic tenants of good versus evil that God's given us to work with in the world and we know that they're the basic Tenants because we've already seen them in his word and so we shouldn't be shocked if they show up again even after Christ's overwhelming Victory yep amen amen all right guys thank you so much for coming on the show um haunted Cosmos is now not just on uh podcast platforms but you can uh check
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some other things too yeah we try to do on the off weeks we try to release a uh a Q&A episode yeah of the show Where we're playing chess and answering questions and we're doing both very poorly yeah that's called chess is not just stuff chess is not just stuff and right now the record stands in the games is a one nil and and that's that's you Brian I I don't want to say who hey I'll admit it Brian won the first one that was on record it was on record Ben actually won the first
one fil then beat five games in a row and that's why it's so the world is Not just stuff thanks for having us on Joel was an honor and fun discussion we're we're glad to to come and and hang out with you anytime yeah cool thanks [Music] guys
