JONI LAMB: SO WHY DO MANY BELIEVERS STILL STRUGGLE TO ACCEPT THE FATHER'S LOVE? WELL, TODAY'S GUEST, LEIF HETLAND, EXPLAINS HOW THE ORPHAN SPIRIT HAS CRIPPLED THE CHURCH AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO BEAT IT. IF YOU'RE ENJOYING TABLE TALK, BE SURE TO LIKE, COMMENT, AND SUBSCRIBE.
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BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, JOINING ME AROUND THE TABLE IS APRIL SIMONS. AND I WOULD SAY THAT YOU HAD AN AMAZING REPRESENTATION OF OUR HEAVENLY FATHER IN YOUR EARTHLY FATHER, JOHN OSTEEN. WOULD YOU SAY THAT?
APRIL SIMONS: I WOULD SAY YES AND AMEN, JUST LIKE RACHEL AND REBECCA DID. AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE'S LOVE, THAT GOD LOVES THEM. SOME PEOPLE THINK GOD'S MAD AT THEM, BUT GOD'S REALLY MAD ABOUT THEM, SO JONI: AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT, DEHAVILLAND.
WE HAVE A WHOLE GENERATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN EARTHLY FATHER. AND SO THAT ORPHAN SPIRIT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE IT.
DEHAVILLAND FORD: YEAH, A LOT OF PEOPLE TODAY I BELIEVE THAT ARE GONNA WATCH HAVE BEEN CRYING OUT TO BE HEALED, AND TODAY IS GONNA BE THEIR DAY AS THEY HEAR OUR GUEST SPEAKER. JONI: YEAH. RACHEL LAMB BROWN, HOW ARE YOU, AND ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT OUR NORWEGIAN GUEST TODAY?
RACHEL LAMB BROWN: I'M GOOD. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS GUEST. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY EASY SOMETIMES TO GET INTO A PATTERN OF WORKING FOR GOD TO TRY TO PLEASE HIM, OR FEELING LIKE YOU KNOW, IF I DO THIS IT'S GONNA MAKE HIM HAPPY, WHEN REALLY HE'S JUST DESIRING A RELATIONSHIP WITH US.
AND SO I'M EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND HOW TO SEE GOD AS FATHER, JONI: YES. RACHEL: AND TO BE REPRESENTATIVE AS A SON AND DAUGHTER, INSTEAD OF LIKE WE'RE WORKING FOR HIM ALL THE TIME. JONI: THAT'S SO GOOD.
REBECCA LAMB WEISS, WELCOME. REBECCA LAMB WEISS: I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS GUEST BECAUSE I LOVE THIS TOPIC. JONI: REALLY?
WHY? REBECCA: BECAUSE I THINK SO MANY PEOPLE STRUGGLE WITH THIS. JONI: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LIVING WITH THIS VOID AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FILL IT UP. JONI: YEAH. REBECCA: AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT BREAKTHROUGH OF UNDERSTANDING WHO YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS, IT'S LIFE-CHANGING.
AND THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO GO OUT AND HELP HEAL OTHER PEOPLE. JONI: I LOVE THAT. REBECCA: SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T TALKED ABOUT A LOT IN THE CHURCH, BUT IS ACTUALLY A REALLY BIG ISSUE.
JONI: IT'S IMPORTANT, CINDY MURDOCK, THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH THE FATHER LOVES US, HOW MUCH OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, HOW MUCH THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE LOVES US. CINDY MURDOCK: I KNOW, IT IS SO IMPORTANT. AND, YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT CAME THROUGH READING THE WORD OF THE LORD, JUST READING THE BIBLE, AND THE SCRIPTURES WOULD JUST JUMP OUT AT ME THAT HE LOVED ME.
HE LOVED CINDY. THAT REALLY SET ME FREE JONI: THAT'S SO GOOD. WELL, HE WAS HONORED BY THE PRESIDENT OF PAKISTAN WITH THE INTERNATIONAL PEACE AWARD AS THE AMBASSADOR OF LOVE, AND HE'S HERE TO TALK ABOUT HIS BOOK, HEALING THE ORPHAN SPIRIT.
PLEASE WELCOME LEIF HETLAND. ♪♪♪ JONI: COME ON IN. LEIF HETLAND: THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. JONI: WELCOME. REBECCA: WOW.
JONI: NOW, YOU HAVE GIRLS, SO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, RIGHT? LEIF: I DO, YES. JONI: YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE AT THE TABLE.
AND IT'S JUST SO GOOD TO HAVE YOU TODAY. YOU KNOW, EVEN AFTER LAUNCHING A MINISTRY THAT'S LED TO HALF A MILLION SALVATIONS, LEIF HETLAND STILL STRUGGLED TO ACCEPT THE FATHER'S LOVE. AND HE'S NOT ALONE.
MANY BELIEVERS BATTLE WITH A LOVE DEFICIENCY. SO HOW DID LEIF ULTIMATELY FIND HEALING? WELL, WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU TODAY WHAT GOD'S DONE IN HIS LIFE AND THROUGH HIS WORK.
OF COURSE THE BOOK, HEALING THE ORPHAN SPIRIT. YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU WERE SAVED, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAD INVITED JESUS INTO YOUR HEART, HE HAD SAVED YOU. YOU WERE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT.
AND YET THERE WAS STILL A VOID ON THE INSIDE OF YOU WHERE YOU WERE TRYING TO PLEASE THE FATHER WITH ALL THE THINGS YOU COULD DO, AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WON TO JESUS, AND IT KIND OF BLED EVEN INTO YOUR FAMILY. TALK A LITTLE BIT, WHAT WAS GOING ON? LEIF: WELL, I THINK THAT WHEN I RECEIVED JESUS, BECAUSE I HAD BEEN A DRUG ADDICT, REBELLIOUS, CAME FROM A GOOD, GODLY FAMILY.
SO WHEN I RECEIVED JESUS I WAS SO GRATEFUL FOR WHAT JESUS DID FOR ME. SO MY INTENTION IS JUST, IF I JUST DO THESE THINGS FOR JESUS, THEN MAYBE THE FATHER WOULD BE PLEASED WITH ME. JONI: RIGHT.
LEIF: 'CAUSE AFTER WHAT JESUS HAS DONE FOR ME, I'M GONNA GIVE MY LIFE FOR HIM. SO I LEFT MY COUNTRY, NORWAY, AND STARTED TO TRAVEL. EVENTUALLY GOT MARRIED, FAMILY.
AND THEN BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, ON THE INSIDE YOU ARE RESTLESS. AND WHEN YOU HAVE AN ORPHAN HEART AND AN ORPHAN SPIRIT, IT'S ACTUALLY ROOTED IN FEAR. AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME FRIENDS, SHAME AND GUILT, THAT COMES IN.
SO SHAME WILL ALWAYS WHISPER AND TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE NOT. WHILE PAPA GOD WOULD ALWAYS TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE. JONI: YEAH.
LEIF: AND SO FOR ME, IT WAS JUST THIS JOURNEY OF IF I DON'T DO ENOUGH, NOBODY ELSE DOES ENOUGH. JONI: AND GOD'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPY WITH ME. LEIF: NO, HE CAN'T BE BECAUSE AGAIN YOU HAVE TO PERFORM FOR LOVE.
JONI: RIGHT. LEIF: AND YOU DO NOT REALIZE THAT UNDERNEATH WAS A ROOT ISSUE, WAS LIKE A BLACK HOLE IN MY SOUL. SO THE MOMENT I SAY I COULD HAVE A DOVE THERE, WHICH IS A PICTURE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE PRESENCE, BUT THEN THE DOVE LIFTED AFTER THE MEETING, AND I HAVE PIGEONS.
AND THAT'S OFTEN WHAT MY FAMILY GOT TO SEE. AND PART OF THE REASON IS THAT WHEN I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH LOVE, THERE WAS AREAS I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH GOD, BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE. 1 JOHN 4:16.
JONI: WOW. LEIF: AND SO IN DECEMBER OF '99 IS WHEN IT ACTUALLY HIT BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED, DECEMBER '99 I'D SEEN A HALF A MILLION PEOPLE SAVED. I'M SEEING STADIUMS, MIRACLES HAPPEN, ALL THOSE THINGS.
BUT ON THE INSIDE, I DON'T DO ENOUGH. SO I HAD A BROKEN NECK, BROKEN BACK. I'D BEEN IN A BODY CAST.
12 SURGERIES. AND I STILL COULDN'T GET UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO BECOME SOMETHING. AND THAT'S WHEN, AT MY BIGGEST BROKENNESS, SPIRITUAL, EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY, I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING.
AND MY WHOLE DEVASTATION IS WHEN EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO DO TO PLEASE GOD, AND MAYBE ONE DAY HE WILL TELL YOU THAT HE'S WELL PLEASED WITH YOU AT THE END OF THE WORLD, NOT REALIZING HE'S BEEN PLEASED WITH YOU ALL THE WAY ALONG. JONI: SO THAT IS ALL A LIE? LEIF: IT WAS ALL A LIE.
JONI: SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE FEELING THAT WAY, LIKE, OH, I HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH, OR IF I DO THIS GOD'S NOT GONNA LOVE ME ENOUGH, I'VE GOTTA DO THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND THIS, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, HE'S GONNA LOVE ME. THAT IS A LIE. AND THAT'S ALSO A SYMPTOM OF AN ORPHAN SPIRIT.
RACHEL: BUT CAN WE NOT SKIP OVER THIS I BROKE MY BACK, I WAS IN ALL THESE CASTS, WHAT HAPPENED? LEIF: NO, I MEAN IT WAS ATTACKS THAT WAS HAPPENING BECAUSE I STARTED GOING INTO SOME OF THE DARKEST PLACES IN THE WORLD. RANDY CLARK PRAYED FOR ME JUNE 6TH, 1995.
SO I STARTED GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST, INTO THE MUSLIM WORLD. JONI: HE WAS PART OF THE TORONTO REVIVAL. LEIF: HE WAS PART OF TORONTO, YEAH.
SO I GOT - I WAS A BAPTIST PASTOR THAT THEN GOT BAPTIZED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. AND RANDY CLARK, HE OFTEN TALKS ABOUT HEIDI BAKER AND LEIF HETLAND. WE WERE KIND OF TWO PEOPLE OUT OF TORONTO THAT HAD A POWERFUL TOUCH.
BUT AFTER THAT, NOW YOU'RE AN ORPHAN WITH DYNAMITE, WITH POWER, AND YOU'RE ABOUT TO BLOW UP THINGS. AND YOU WILL BLOW UP YOUR MARRIAGE, ALL THOSE THINGS. AND SO THERE'S SO MANY ORPHAN MINISTERS ALSO THAT ARE OPERATING FROM THAT ORPHAN SPIRIT WHERE THE VALUE SYSTEM IS NOT MOTIVATED OUT OF LOVE.
AND WHEN THAT COMES IN, FEAR AND CONTROL ON THOSE THINGS COMES IN. JONI: AND, RACHEL, I MEAN, THIS WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, HOW MANY YOUNG MINISTERS DO WE KNOW THAT ACTUALLY TOOK THEIR LIFE? AND THEY HAD A CHURCH AND THEY HAD A FAMILY.
AND THEY THEY COULDN'T HAVE UNDERSTOOD THE LOVE OF THE FATHER TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. AND I'M NOT JUDGING THAT AT ALL, BUT IT WAS SUCH A TRAGIC THING. BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW YOU FINALLY EXPERIENCED THE LOVE OF GOD, WHAT HAPPENED?
LEIF: IN DECEMBER OF 1999 I'D BEEN KICKED OUT OF THE DENOMINATION, SO IT WAS KIND OF A PERFECT STORM. EVERYTHING HAD FALLEN APART REBECCA: SO THAT WAS LIKE A BIG REJECTION? LEIF: IT WAS A BIG REJECTION, YEAH.
AND THEN WHEN YOU ARE AN ORPHAN ON THE INSIDE AND YOUR WHOLE VALUE SYSTEM, SO I'M ABOUT TO LOSE EVERYTHING. AND AT THAT MOMENT IS WHEN I MET PAPA GOD. SO I KNEW JESUS AND I KNEW THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AND I COULD HAVE WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT THE FATHERHOOD OF GOD. SO IT WAS NOT THAT THE THEOLOGY WAS NOT THERE. BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT I HAD A VIEW OF GOD THAT DID NOT LOOK LIKE JESUS.
AND SO AT THAT MOMENT THERE WAS A GUY ACTUALLY FROM TEXAS, DENNIS JERNIGAN, WHO PLAYED THE PIANO, AND SAYS, LEIF, I HAVE A SONG FOR YOU. JONI: HE'S A FRIEND OF MINE. LEIF: YEAH, I LOVE DENNIS HE WAS A SPIRITUAL SON OF MY SPIRITUAL FATHER.
JONI: YEAH. LEIF: AND SO HE WAS JUST PLAYING A SONG, IT WAS A DADDY SONG. A PERSONAL SONG FROM PAPA GOD TOWARDS ME.
AND THESE WAVES OF LIQUID LOVE WAS COMING OVER ME. AND MY MOM HAD A SURGERY WHEN SHE CARRIED ME, WHEN SHE WAS PREGNANT. LOVE WENT INTO THE LITTLE BABY.
AND THEN THE 12-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS ABUSED. IT WENT THROUGH MY LIFE, SO IT WAS LIKE A MOVIE. I'M LAYING ON THE FLOOR AND I DIDN'T - I DIDN'T WEEP BECAUSE I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH LOVE.
I DIDN'T SHOW EMOTION. IT WAS A WEAKNESS. BUT NOW I JUST WEPT AND I WEPT, AS THIS HEALING LOVE WENT INTO THE BABY AND THROUGHOUT MY LIFE.
AND THEN THERE WAS AN AUDIBLE VOICE FROM HEAVEN THAT SAYS, LEIF, YOU'RE MINE. AND YOU'RE MY BELOVED. YOU'RE MY BELOVED SON.
NOT SERVANT, NOT AUTHOR, NOT DOCTOR. YOU'RE MY BELOVED SON. I LOVE YOU, SON.
AND I AM WELL PLEASED WITH YOU. JONI: AND SO - REBECCA: AND YOU HEARD IT AUDIBLY? LEIF: AUDIBLY, YEAH.
REBECCA: I'M SORRY, THAT'S JUST SO COOL. LEIF: THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I'VE HEARD A CLEAR AUDIBLE VOICE. JONI: WELL, AND THE THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IS THE PEACE THAT CAME WITH THAT.
THE PEACE THAT CAME WHERE YOU CAN NOW, I MEAN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GOD, YOU CALL HIM PAPA. LEIF: YEAH. JONI: AND HE GAVE YOU SUCH LOVE FROM WITHIN THAT IT BEGAN TO MANIFEST OUTWARDLY IN A WAY THAT IT NEVER HAD BEFORE?
LEIF: YEAH. CINDY: AND YOU SAW PEOPLE DIFFERENT, RIGHT? LEIF: I SAW - YEAH.
I SAW MY WIFE - FIRST, I SAW MYSELF DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHO HE IS TO YOU IS WHO HE WILL BE THROUGH YOU. JONI: WHO HE IS TO YOU - LEIF: IS WHO HE WILL BE THROUGH YOU. JONI: IS WHO HE WILL BE THROUGH YOU.
LEIF: YEAH. SO WHAT YOU'RE BEHOLDING YOU'RE BECOMING. SO IF I'M LOOKING UP AND I HAVE AN ANGRY FATHER OR A CRITICAL OR A BIPOLAR, GOD IS IN A MOOD SWING AND IT'S ALL UP TO YOU TO PLEASE HIM.
JONI: RIGHT. LEIF: THEN IN THE NEXT MOMENT THE WAY YOU REFLECT LIFE IS TOTALLY CONNECTED. BUT NOW WHEN I'M SEEING THERE'S A LOVING FATHER THAT GAVE ME AN A+ ON MY REPORT CARD BEFORE I TOOK THE EXAM, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE WITH PRESSURE?
JONI: RACHEL WOULD LOVE THAT LOVING FATHER RIGHT THERE TO GIVE YOU AN A+. LEIF: YOU CAN LIVE FROM THE FATHER'S PLEASURE. HE'S ALREADY WELL PLEASED.
BEFORE I FELT LIKE I NEED TO GO TO PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN. I NEED TO DO BECAUSE - I NEED TO DO THAT TO PLEASE HIM. JONI: RIGHT.
AND YOU EVEN VIEWED THOSE PEOPLE IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN YOU DID AFTER THIS EXPERIENCE. LEIF: YEAH. BEFORE THEY WERE A PROBLEM.
IT'S SOMETHING I NEEDED TO DO. AND THEN NOW SUDDENLY I STARTED TO LOVE THEM. AND I STARTED TO SEE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, THE BROKENNESS, AND I STARTED TO WEEP OVER THEM.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE AUTHORITY OVER WHAT YOU WEEP OVER, AND YOU HAVE AUTHORITY WHERE YOU LOVE. SO I SUDDENLY START TO FEEL THIS LOVE FOR A WOMAN BEHIND A VEIL. AND I STARTED TO SEE IT INSTEAD OF ALL THESE EVIL PEOPLE, OR THEY'RE KILLING OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
AND I SAW THAT THEY KILLED MANY OF OUR PEOPLE OVER THERE. SO I HAD WATCHED THESE THINGS, BUT NOW I START SENSING THIS LOVE OF THE FATHER TOWARDS THEM, AND SOMETHING STARTED TO CHANGE BECAUSE PERFECT LOVE CAST OUT FEAR. SINCE THE LOVE IN ME IS GREATER THAN THE FEAR AND THE ANGER THEY HAVE, AND THAT STARTED TO DO SOMETHING.
AND I REALIZED WE DON'T HAVE A DARKNESS PROBLEM, BUT A LACK OF LIGHT. JONI: WOW. AND SO WHEN THIS HAPPENED TO YOU, YOUR WHOLE VIEW CHANGED, AND REALLY YOUR WHOLE MINISTRY CHANGED, IN THAT YOU SAW PEOPLE AND PEOPLE GROUPS AND NATIONS.
YOU HAVE TO SHARE SOME OF THE MIRACULOUS STORIES OF HOW GOD SUPERNATURALLY OPENED DOORS WHERE OTHER PEOPLE MAY HAVE BEEN KILLED, BUT YOU SUPERNATURALLY HAD FAVOR BECAUSE OF THE LOVE OF GOD THAT WAS EMANATING OUT OF YOU THAT COULD BE SEEN. IT WAS TANGIBLE AND THEY FELT IT FROM YOU. LEIF: YEAH, AND IT'S SO MUCH FUN BECAUSE RIGHT BEFORE THIS - IT REALLY IS FUN BECAUSE NO ONE - BECAUSE MY PERSPECTIVE HAD CHANGED.
JONI: YEAH. LEIF: BECAUSE YOU START TO SEE PEOPLE INTO THE UNLOVED REALM, AND YOU DO NOT SEE PEOPLE JUST THE WAY THEY ARE, BUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE FATHER SEES YOU. HE SAW SOMETHING IN YOU.
SO WHEN I WAS SEEING HIM DIFFERENTLY, I SAW ME AND THE WAY I WAS SEEING THEM. SO A COUPLE OF STORIES, BUT ONE OF THEM IS A SHIA MUSLIM. I WAS IN A SHIA MUSLIM LEADERSHIP WITH THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS AS WELL AS THE POLITICAL.
JONI: HOW DID YOU EVEN GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT? LEIF: IT IS AGAIN, BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS I SAW JOSEPH BECAME A FATHER TO PHARAOH. SO EVEN MY LOVE FOR ISRAEL.
AND IT JUST SHIFTED. I WAS READING THIS ONE VERSE, JOSEPH BECAME A FATHER TO PHARAOH. I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE THE EVIL LEADER.
I SAW DANIEL CHANGE NEBUCHADNEZZAR, OR ESTHER. SO I STARTED TO READ THE SAME SCRIPTURES I READ BEFORE, BUT NOW WITH THE LENSES OF LOVE I REALIZED JOSEPH LEARNED TO BE SUCH A SON TO PHARAOH, LIKE JESUS WAS SUCH A SON TO HIS FATHER. HE BECAME AN EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE.
JONI: YEAH. LEIF: AND JOSEPH WAS SUCH A SON TO PHARAOH, THAT PHARAOH CALLED HIM FATHER AND HE SAVED A WHOLE NATION. SO I JUST REALIZED HOW DO I BECOME A SON, NOT OPERATE WITH AN ORPHAN SPIRIT?
BECAUSE YOU CANNOT DEAL WITH THE ORPHAN SPIRIT THERE IF YOU HAVE AN ORPHAN SPIRIT ON THE INSIDE. JONI: JOSEPH PROBABLY HAD TO DEAL WITH SUCH ADVERSITY AND THE REJECTION THAT HE HAD TO PROBABLY DEAL WITH THAT ORPHAN SPIRIT BEFORE THE LOVE OF GOD WAS FULLY MANIFESTED IN HIM TO WHERE HE COULD BE WHAT HE NEEDED TO BE IN REPRESENTING GOD TO PHARAOH. CINDY: AND TO HIS BROTHERS THAT RETURNED.
AND I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE STORIES I THINK I SHARED AT DINNER LAST NIGHT, WHERE I HAD THIS SHIA MUSLIM LEADER, AND WE WERE JUST IN THIS ROOM. AND THIS WAS NOT THE TIME TO PRACTICE WORD OF KNOWLEDGE. I'M THE ONLY CHRISTIAN IN HIS ROOM.
BUT I ASKED THE CHAIRMAN OF THE POLITICAL PARTY, COULD I SHARE SOMETHING? AND I SAID SOMEBODY HAD AN ACCIDENT, YOU TORE YOUR SHOULDER, GOT THE ROTATOR CUFF. YOU HAD A SURGERY, IT WENT WRONG, AND NOW YOU CANNOT MOVE YOUR SHOULDER.
AND THERE'S ONLY 20-SOME MUSLIM LEADERS IN THE ROOM. AND EVERYBODY JUST STARES. NOBODY SAYS A WORD.
I THOUGHT I WAS WRONG MAYBE. I'M NOT A FALSE PROPHET, BUT MAYBE A WRONG PROPHET. CINDY: YEAH.
LEIF: I THOUGHT THIS IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO TRY TO PRACTICE WORDS OF KNOWLEDGE. JONI: SO YOU WERE JUST COMPLETELY - I WOULD BE LIKE PARALYZED, LIKE, NO ONE IS MOVING TO THIS WORD. LEIF: AND THEN IN THE NEXT MOMENT, I FELT THE HOLY SPIRIT WHISPERING AGAIN, THE DOVE.
SO WHEN I'M A LITTLE BOY - THIS IS A MAJOR KEY. THE LITTLE BOY WITH A DOVE. SO I'M ALLOWING BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A LITTLE - A LITTLE TWO-YEAR-OLD BOY CAN COME UP TO AN ATHEIST, CAN I PRAY FOR YOU?
AND THE ATHEIST IS LIKE, IT DISARMS HIM. SO THE CHILDLIKENESS AND THE INNOCENCE OF SONSHIP AND DAUGHTERS, GOING UNDERNEATH THE RADAR AND JUST BE CHILDLIKE. NOT CHILDISH, BUT CHILDLIKE.
CINDY: YES. LEIF: SO I DO WHAT I SEE MY FATHER DO. SO I FELT PAPA WHISPERING, DO IT AGAIN.
BUT IT IS THIS GUY, AND A SCARY GUY IN FRONT OF ME WITH HIS BEARD AND I'M LIKE, I'M LOOKING AT HIM AND I'M LIKE, AM I IN TROUBLE? SO I FINALLY SAID, ARE YOU THE ONE? AND I KNEW I'M IN TROUBLE.
AND THEN HE LOOKED AT THE OTHER ONES AND THEY KIND OF NODDED THEIR HEAD. IS THAT YOU? AND HE SAID, YES.
AND I WALKED OVER AT THAT MOMENT, I HAD ENOUGH FAVOR BECAUSE OF RELATIONSHIP TO PRAY. SO I SAID, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, I TOUCHED THE SHOULDER. HE GOT TOTALLY HEALED IN FRONT OF THEM.
CINDY: WOW. LEIF: AND FROM THERE, THE PRESENCE OF GOD CAME IN. AND TODAY I'VE BEEN INVITED BOTH TO IRAN AND IRAQ, AND ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PLACES WITH A WHOLE SHIA MUSLIM COMMUNITY OPENING UP.
THEN THEY BROUGHT THE WOMEN BEHIND A VEIL IN ANOTHER ROOM, AND I STOOD THERE AND PRAYED FOR PEOPLE. SO SOMETIMES IT'S JUST THAT, BUT IT STARTED WITH ME LOVING THEM. AND IT STARTED WITH ME SEEING THEM THE WAY THAT PAPA GOD SEES THEM, AND NOT HAVING THIS LIKE I USED TO BE, WHERE THEY ARE EVIL AND BAD.
IF YOU TOUCH THE LEPERS, YOU CAN BECOME UNCLEAN. NO, IF I TOUCH THE LEPERS THEY BECOME CLEAN. JONI: RIGHT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS, LEIF, IS THAT YOU SHOW THE LOVE OF GOD, BUT YOU STILL WOULD SPEAK TRUTH IN A LOVING WAY CONCERNING WHO JESUS IS, AND HOW MUCH HE LOVES THEM AND HE WANTS TO HEAL YOU. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER STORY YOU TOLD ME LAST NIGHT, I LOVE ALL YOUR STORIES. I COULD HAVE LISTENED ALL NIGHT.
BUT OF THE - WAS IT THE BROKEN, WAS IT THE BROKEN HAND OR ARM? TELL THAT STORY. LEIF: YEAH.
NOW HERE IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE IMAMS THAT CHALLENGE ME A LOT BECAUSE FOR FIVE YEARS HE STIRRED UP TROUBLE, AND PRETTY MUCH WANTED ME KILLED. JONI: SO YOU HAD, YOU HAD FAVOR WITH SOME, AND THEN THERE WERE A FEW THAT HATED YOU? LEIF: YEAH.
AND I STILL HAVE, AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN AS A CHRISTIAN IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, SOME PEOPLE, HOW DID THEY COMPROMISE EVEN BEING WITH HIM? AND THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO'S PART OF - I DON'T WANT TO MENTION A STREAM, BUT IT'S A RADICAL STREAM OF ISLAM. SO HE STIRRED UP THAT I HAD BLASPHEMED MUHAMMAD, OR SAID THAT I HAD BURNED THE QURAN, ALL THESE THINGS.
AND THEN 500 GUYS WITH GUNS AND MACHINE GUNS SHOWS UP TO KILL ME. I HAD TO ESCAPE THE COUNTRY. AND ALL THESE THINGS WAS HAPPENING.
IT WAS JUST ALWAYS DIFFICULT. SO FOR FIVE YEARS I'M KIND OF A LITTLE CRIPPLED WITH FEAR MANY TIMES. AND THEN I REMEMBER ONE MOMENT IN THIS OFFICIAL GOVERNMENTAL MEETING, HE SHOOK MY HAND BECAUSE HE HAD TO, IT WAS AN OFFICIAL MEETING.
AND THEN THE NEXT MOMENT I HEARD HE WENT AND WASHED HIS HANDS BECAUSE HE HAD TOUCHED AN INFIDEL. LATER ON I FOUND OUT HE IS IN THIS MEETING AND THERE'S AGAIN A GROUP OF - THIS IS A SUNNI MUSLIM GROUP, BUT THEY ARE IN THIS ROOM. AND AS I'M IN THE ROOM, HERE HE'S COMING WITH A CAST.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HIM TOUCHING MY HAND. AND IN THE MOMENT I JUST FELT AGAIN, GO OVER TO HIS CAST, AND I TOUCHED THE CAST. AND WHEN I TOUCHED THE CAST, YOU COULD HEAR THE BONE POPPING IN FRONT OF EVERYONE.
AND AT THAT MOMENT, I CAN SHOW YOU MY PHONE AFTERWARDS, EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM THOSE TWO PEOPLE I RECEIVED TEXTS EVERY DAY. EVERY SINGLE DAY ON WHATSAPP I - JONI: BECAUSE HIS ARM WAS TOTALLY HEALED. LEIF: TOTALLY HEALED.
AND NOW HE IS PROBABLY ONE OF MY BIGGEST FANS EVER. HE'S WRITTEN - THEY READ MY BOOK. BUT THEY'RE STAYING IN TOUCH.
OPEN UP THE MOSQUE, THE WHOLE AREA, AND THE ATMOSPHERE CHANGED BECAUSE - JONI: I LOVE THAT. LEIF: ONE TOUCH CAN CHANGE EVERYTHING. JONI: ONE TOUCH.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE LOVE OF GOD WILL DO. CINDY: YES. JONI: AND SO IS THAT NOT AMAZING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, DEHAVILLAND, THAT HOW WE VIEW CERTAIN GROUPS, EVEN HERE IN AMERICA, AND IT PUTS A PERSPECTIVE ON IT HOW WE DON'T EVER COMPROMISE THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD, BUT WE STILL CAN LOVE PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.
WHAT ABOUT THAT? DEHAVILLAND: THAT'S SO - THAT'S SO POWERFUL. BUT I LOVE THAT HE HAD TO EXPERIENCE THE FATHER FOR HIMSELF.
SO WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO US IN THE WESTERN WORLD ON HOW WE SEE THESE PEOPLE GROUPS? MAYBE WE NEED A BAPTISM OF LOVE JUST LIKE YOU EXPERIENCED, TO BE ABLE TO REACH THE MOST UNREACHED PEOPLE GROUP. JONI: WE ALL NEED A BAPTISM OF LOVE.
DEHAVILLAND: I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SO ENCOURAGING FOR THE CHURCH IN THE WEST, FOR SURE. LEIF: YEAH. I JUST MET WITH ONE OF THE PEOPLE RIGHT BEHIND THE SCENE, AND SHE WAS JUST SHARING ABOUT BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T HAVE A FATHER AROUND AND AGAIN JUST STARTED TO DESCRIBE.
BUT THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING HERE WHERE THERE'S FATHER DEFICIENCY, OR YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PAPA THAT SAYS I LOVE YOU, OR GO TO THE PROM. AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE AND YOU MEET JESUS, BUT THERE'S STILL THIS MISSING PIECE, IT HAS NOT RESTORED BACK SOME OF THOSE HIDDEN CORE PAINS OF BEING FATHERLESS OR FEELING MORE LIKE AN ORPHAN THAN A BELOVED DAUGHTER. AND THIS IS WHAT THE BAPTISM OF LOVE IS, WHEN PAPA GOD COMES IN, AND HE'S NOT LIKE ANY EARTHLY FATHER.
CINDY: RIGHT. LEIF: AND YOU CAN EVEN HAVE A PERFECT FATHER, LIKE IN LUKE 15 AND STILL END UP WITH A PRODIGAL SON AND BROTHER. SO EVEN THERE, THERE'S STILL THAT ORPHAN TENDENCY THAT WE HAVE THAT CAN ONLY BE HEALED BY THE FATHER'S LOVE, AND ALLOWING THAT LOVE TO TOUCH THOSE HIDDEN CORE PAINS IN OUR LIVES.
JONI: YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER MIRACLES THAT YOU SHARED WITH ME. I LOVE THE ONE ABOUT THE GIRL THAT WAS PARALYZED. TALK ABOUT THAT FOR JUST A SECOND, TELL THAT STORY.
LEIF: IT WAS LATE ONE NIGHT IN AN ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH, BUT I WAS LIKE, I'M MISSING MY GIRLS. BECAUSE I HAD THREE DAUGHTERS AT HOME AND I'VE BEEN ON THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH, AND I JUST HAD A - I MISSED MY LITTLE GIRLS. AND THERE THIS GIRL CAME UP IN A WHEELCHAIR.
IT WAS LATE AT NIGHT AND MY FAITH LEVEL WAS LITTLE AND I SAW HER FAITH LEVEL WAS LITTLE. BUT I SAID, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE JESUS TO DO FOR YOU? AND I WAS SURE SHE WAS GONNA SAY I WANT TO DANCE OR COME UP OUT OF THE CHAIR, OR HEAL, OR I NEED A MIRACLE.
BUT INSTEAD SHE SAID, I WANT HIM TO HEAL MY ORPHAN SPIRIT. SHE SAID I FEEL MORE LIKE AN ORPHAN THAN A BELOVED DAUGHTER. AND SHE SAID THAT I'VE ASKED AND ASKED AND ASKED, BUT I FEEL THE FATHER IS SO DISTANT.
AND SO I KNEW THAT SHE HAD LOWERED HER EXPECTANCY LEVEL SO LOW SO THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO FEEL THE DISAPPOINTMENTS. AND SO I JUST STARTED TO WEEP BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT MY THREE DAUGHTERS, AND I KNEW THE FATHER'S HEART TOWARDS HER IS GREATER THAN THE LOVE I HAVE FOR MY GIRLS. I JUST STOOD AND I - NOT SOMETHING MAYBE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HEAR A MINISTER SAID, BUT I JUST WEPT OVER HER BECAUSE I COULD FEEL THE FATHER HEART OF GOD.
AND I JUST WEPT AND I WAS JUST HOLDING HER IN THE WHEELCHAIR. JONI: BECAUSE SHE WAS PARALYZED FROM THE NECK DOWN. LEIF: NECK AND DOWN, YEAH, FOR SEVEN YEARS.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THE STORY. AND THEN IN THE NEXT MOMENT, I JUST HAD A LITTLE FAITH AND I HAD A WORD OF FAITH GUY COME UP, WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST DECLARE - I SAID, WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST DECLARE? [ LAUGHTER ] LEIF: I HAD THAT LITTLE FAITH.
AS I SAID, I FELT ONE INCH ON YOUR RIGHT HAND, AND EVENTUALLY FIVE TIMES I PRAYED BEFORE I SAW ONE INCH. AND THEN THE HAND, AND THEN WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES, SHE'S RUNNING ALL OVER THE BUILDING.
THE PLACE EXPLODED. CINDY: WOW. LEIF: BUT THAT STARTED MY JOURNEY.
I REALIZED THAT IF I CAN JUST TAKE CARE OF THE ROOT ISSUE IN PEOPLE'S LIFE, AND THEY CAN EXPERIENCE TO LIVE FULLY, LOVE LIKE JESUS. THEN TO BE LOVED BY THE SAME FATHER THAT JESUS WAS LOVED BY, AND EXPERIENCING THAT LOVE AND IT'S COMING FROM THE PLACE KNOWING IT IS THE FATHER'S WILL. AND NOW I HAVE - I JUST SAW A GRANDSON LAST WEEK THAT IS WRECKING ME ON A 2.
0 LEVEL ON THE LOVE. [ LAUGHTER ] JONI: I LOVE THAT. REBECCA: WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I THINK IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE IN AMERICA I THINK WE ARE BEING BOMBARDED BY FEAR, AND IT'S CAUSING US TO TURN ON ONE ANOTHER.
BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE THROUGH THE LENS OF FEAR INSTEAD OF THE LENS OF LOVE. AND I THINK THE ANSWER TO SO MUCH DIVISION AND SO MUCH FIGHTING WITHIN, AMONGST OURSELVES AS BELIEVERS AND WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR NATION, IS THAT LOVE. AND SO I JUST THINK FROM ALL SIDES WE'RE BEING PUMPED WITH THIS FEAR NARRATIVE AND IT'S CAUSING SO MUCH DIVISION WITHIN OUR NATION.
RACHEL: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY AS FAR AS SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN LISTENING AND SAYS, I FEEL LIKE I'M STRUGGLING WITH AN ORPHAN SPIRIT, BUT I WANNA OVERCOME THAT, WHAT ARE SOME PRACTICAL STEPS THAT THEY CAN DO TO ACHIEVE THAT? LEIF: I THINK THE FIRST ONE IS JUST WHAT YOU SHARED, IS TO JUST RECOGNIZE I FEEL RESTLESS, I FEEL THIS. THERE'S MAYBE NOTHING WRONG BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RIGHT, SOMETHING THAT IS MISSING.
AND IF YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A HOME, YOU MAYBE HAVE A BIG HOUSE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A RESTING PLACE. AND WHEN YOU'RE SUDDENLY EVEN THINKING ABOUT GOD, AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FATHER, OR YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT A LOVING FATHER THAT IS LOOKING AT YOU, WHEN YOU MESS UP IN YOUR LIFE, ARE YOU THEN AT THAT MOMENT THINKING WELL, GOD CANNOT HANDLE YOUR MESSES? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE THEOLOGY I HAD, INSTEAD OF REALIZING THAT WHEN THERE'S SIN IN OUR LIFE, WE ARE THE ONE TURNING AWAY FROM HIS LOVE.
HE'S NOT TURNING AWAY FROM US. SO IN LUKE 15, JESUS SHOWS THE OPPOSITE. THE FATHER WAS LOOKING TOWARDS HIM, NOT AWAY FROM HIM, BEFORE HE REPENTED.
SO WHEN WE HAVE A VIEW OF GOD THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE JESUS, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO REPENT. BECAUSE JESUS CAN HANDLE SINNERS, AND HE CAN HANDLE US, AND SO COULD WE IF WE HAVE THAT VIEW OF GOD THAT LOOKS LIKE JESUS. SO FOR ME, NUMBER ONE WOULD BE TO RECOGNIZE, OH, I HAVE AN ORPHAN SPIRIT.
JONI: SO SHINE THE LIGHT ON IT. LEIF: SHINE ON IT, YEAH. JONI: I FEEL LIKE I'M DOING THESE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, TRYING TO PERFORM, NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING GOD'S LOVE FOR ME.
LEIF: YEAH. AND IT'S USUALLY MANIFESTED IN TWO WAYS. EITHER AS REBELLION, YOU MAY BE STRUGGLING WITH SIN ISSUES.
THERE CAN BE ADDICTION ISSUES, OR FEAR, SHAME, GUILT. OR YOU WOULD SENSE OTHER THINGS, THAT PERFORMANCE TREADMILL, YOU COMPARE TO ONE ANOTHER. WHY DID HE GET HEALED AND NOT ME?
IF IT IS FAMILY, WHEN ONE STOCK GOES UP, ALL OF THE STOCKS GOES UP, BECAUSE IT'S A FAMILY BUSINESS. BUT WHEN YOU OPERATE LIKE AN ORPHAN, IT'S LIKE THERE'S ONE PIZZA AND THERE'S EIGHT SLICES, AND HE GOT ONE AND I DIDN'T. NOW, PAPA GOD OWNS THE BAKERY.
SO YOUR WORLDVIEW CHANGES. SO IT IS THEN TO SAY, PAPA, I ASK FORGIVENESS FROM ANY VIEW I'VE HAD OF YOU, MAYBE IT IS EARTHLY FATHERS THAT HAS AFFECTED THEM. EVEN IF THAT IS NOT, JUST FORGIVE ANYONE THAT HAS MISREPRESENTED GOD TO YOU.
AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS, PAPA, I WANT TO RECEIVE YOUR LOVE, THE SAME LOVE THAT JESUS EXPERIENCED BEFORE HE DID ANYTHING. MATTHEW 3:17, WHEN THE FATHER COMES IN AND SAYS THIS IS MY BELOVED, AND YOU'RE MY BELOVED DAUGHTER, YOU'RE MY BELOVED SON, I LOVE YOU AND I AM WELL PLEASED WITH YOU. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU DO, BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF WHO YOU ARE.
AND ALLOWING HIS LOVE TO GO IN, AND IT IS A PROCESS. CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THAT LOVE UNTIL YOU BECOME LOVE AND THEN WE CAN GIVE LOVE. SO IT STARTS BY RESTING, JUST BELIEVING IN IT, THEN RECEIVING, THEN THE PROCESS OF BECOMING.
SO THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I DO IN THE ORPHAN SPIRIT, GETTING TO THE ROOT OF THAT AND ALLOWING THE LOVE TO TOUCH THAT. IT'S EPHESIANS 3:17, WHERE YOU'RE ROOTED AND GROUNDED IN LOVE. THEN YOU'RE STEPPING INTO THE OCEAN EXPERIENCING THE DEPTH, WIDTH, LENGTH, AND THE HEIGHT OF THAT LOVE.
BUT DO NOT ALLOW HIM JUST TO TOUCH YOUR FEET, BUT GET INTO THE OCEAN OF HIS LOVE WHERE YOU CAN DROWN IN THAT PERFECT LOVE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE FREEDOM IS. JONI: I LOVE THAT. WOULD YOU JUST PRAY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING RIGHT NOW, LEIF, WHO NEED TO EXPERIENCE THE LOVE OF GOD?
MAYBE THEY NEVER HAVE, MAYBE THEY KNOW THE LORD, MAYBE THEY DON'T. BUT JUST PRAY FOR THEM THEY CAN RELATE TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. LEIF: FIRST, I WANT TO JUST REMIND YOU FROM LUKE CHAPTER 15, WHEN JESUS JUST WANTED TO DESCRIBE HIS FATHER AND THE BIBLE SAYS IN LUKE 15:20 THAT THE FATHER WAS LOOKING, AND RIGHT NOW HE'S LOOKING TOWARDS YOU WITH THE EYES OF LOVE JUST LIKE WHEN I SAW MY GRANDSON AND MY GRANDDAUGHTER, WITH THE EYES OF LOVE.
WITH THE EYES OF LOVE HE'S LOOKING AT YOU, BELOVED SON AND DAUGHTER. AND THEN HE WAS FULL OF COMPASSION. THEN HE DID SOMETHING.
HE WAS RUNNING, NOT AWAY, BUT RUNNING TOWARDS YOU. THEN HE EMBRACED YOU. AND EVEN AT THIS MOMENT THAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE THE EMBRACE AND THEN HE KISSED.
A LITTLE KISS FROM PAPA GOD CAN CHANGE EVERYTHING. SO, FATHER, I JUST WANT TO RELEASE THAT LOOK OF LOVE THAT JESUS EXPERIENCED, AND I ASK FORGIVENESS FOR ANYONE THAT HAVE LOOKED AT YOU IN THE WRONG WAY, THAT LOOK THAT SAYS YOU ARE DISAPPOINTED TO ME, OR THAT LOOK THAT JUST SAYS I DON'T WANT YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE ON PAPA GOD'S MOST-WANTED LIST. IT'S NOT JUST THAT HE LOVES YOU, BUT HE WANTS YOU.
AND HE WANTS YOU BACK TO THE PLACE WHERE YOU FIND THE SECURITY, THE LOVE AND THE VALUE, AND THE PURPOSE AND THE AFFIRMATION. FATHER, I JUST ASK EVEN NOW THAT THAT LIQUID LOVE, WHAT YOU DID FOR ME IN DECEMBER OF '99, AND I'VE SEEN IT WITH SO MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, THAT LOVE THAT IS COMING INTO THOSE HIDDEN CORE AREAS THAT IS HEALING THAT ORPHAN HEART, AND GIVE THE ORPHAN A HOME SO THERE IS NO PLACE FOR AN ORPHAN SPIRIT TO ATTACK YOU. OH, I JUST RELEASE THE SPIRIT OF SONSHIP AND DAUGHTERSHIP THAT SAYS, ABBA FATHER.
THE CHILDLIKENESS AND THE INNOCENCE TO BE RESTORED BACK TO YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE HIS AND YOU ARE HIS BELOVED. YOU ARE HIS BELOVED SON. YOU ARE HIS BELOVED DAUGHTER.
AND THE FATHER LOVES YOU AND HE LIKES YOU, AND HE IS WELL PLEASED WITH YOU. RECEIVE IT IN JESUS' NAME. IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.
JONI: AMEN. WE ARE OUT OF TIME, BUT, WOW, THIS HAS BEEN SUCH AN AMAZING PROGRAM, AND INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU. AND, AGAIN, THERE'S SOME OF YOU THAT YOU JUST SAT DOWN AND YOU THOUGHT I CAN RELATE TO THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE DESCRIBING ME, AND I REALLY NEED TO EXPERIENCE THE LOVE OF GOD IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU CAN DO THAT. I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER IT'S NEVER TOO LATE. IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO RECEIVE THE FATHER'S LOVE AND BE HEALED.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, YOU CAN JUST OPEN UP YOUR HEART RIGHT NOW, AND IT STARTS WITH JUST INVITING JESUS IN. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. AND JUST SAY, JESUS, FORGIVE ME.
COME INTO MY HEART AND MY LIFE, AND THEN FILL ME WITH YOUR SPIRIT. AND, FATHER, JUST LET YOUR LOVE OVERFLOW. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE INTERVIEWED PEOPLE DOWN THROUGH THE YEARS WHO'VE EXPERIENCED THAT LIQUID LOVE, LIKE FROM THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD, ALL THE WAY DOWN.
AND YOU'RE FOREVER CHANGED WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH HE LOVES YOU. AND I THINK THE BIGGEST REPRESENTATION OF THAT BEING MANIFESTED IS THEN WHEN YOU OPEN YOUR EYES AND PEOPLE LOOK DIFFERENT TO YOU, JUST LIKE LEIF SAID. AND YOU LOVE PEOPLE THAT YOU DIDN'T LOVE BEFORE, AND YOU PRAY FOR PEOPLE THAT YOU DIDN'T WANNA PRAY FOR BEFORE.
AND YOU FORGIVE PEOPLE THAT YOU DIDN'T WANNA FORGIVE BEFORE. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT. THAT'S WHY GOD IS LOVE.
AND IF YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH SHAME, GUILT, OR FEAR, IF YOU WANT GOD TO USE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH TO IMPACT OTHERS, THAT'S WHAT GOD DOES SO BEAUTIFULLY. THAT'S WHY THAT TOLL-FREE NUMBER'S ON THE SCREEN. WE'D LOVE TO PRAY WITH YOU, ENCOURAGE YOU.
WE HAVE WONDERFUL PRAYER PARTNERS THAT ARE STANDING BY TO DO SO. BUT I DO WANNA THANK LEIF FOR SHARING HIS STORY WITH US. BE SURE TO GRAB A COPY OF HIS BOOK, HEALING THE ORPHAN SPIRIT.
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I WANNA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING. THANK YOU, LADIES. THANK YOU, LEIF.
YOU'LL COME BACK AND BE WITH US AGAIN? LEIF: I WOULD LOVE TO. JONI: OKAY.
AND TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT YOU SEE GOD DOING IN 2024. WE WANNA HEAR SOME UPDATES LEIF IS AN INTERNATIONAL MINISTER, HE GOES ALL OVER THE WORLD. WHAT A BLESSING TO HAVE HIM HERE ONTABLE TALK.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING. THOSE OF YOU THAT YOU HAVE REALLY RECEIVED SOMETHING TODAY, I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT WHAT GOD HAS FOR YOU IN THE DAYS AHEAD. JUST RECEIVE FREELY THE LOVE OF GOD TODAY.
HE LOVES YOU SO MUCH. WE DO, TOO. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
BYE-BYE FOR TODAY.
