Charlie Kirk Takes on 3 Professors & a Teacher

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for I ran for state senate because our government doesn't work well. There's a lot of waste. There's a lot of bloat. And yet, the things that you're advocating about going against are what help people. Everybody here is Everybody's here because they support freedom. Cuz as you Say, we want a freer market. We want a freer place. And yet these policies like destroying the Department of Education, which I'm a teacher for, hurts our ability to uh take power in the marketplace. It just adds to the few rich people owning all of us. Right now in America,

the top 0.01% have an average $600 million of wealth. The bottom half have an average $7,000. and by destroying the Department of Education, the Center for Budget for the Uh Consumer Protection Bureau that is actively helping those rich people take all of our money. >> Prove me wrong. >> Okay, so Trump's been president for 6 weeks. >> Sure. >> Right. So, we had an oligarchy as Donald Trump was becoming president. Yes. We had all these agencies. How did they prevent the oligarchy? >> They didn't. No, we have a bad Oligarchy. But Trump is increasing our

oligarchy. He had Jeff Bezos. He had Tim Cook. He had the richest people on the earth who have more money than the bottom half of the country combined sitting right behind him and Elon Musk is helping those regulations get destroyed so they can take inauguration as an attendee. But let's go through one by >> donated to it. >> So let's go one by one. Let's first go The department of education. >> So the department of education which I'm guessing you're in favor of like $47 million going to improving learning outcomes in Asia. >> Yeah. Because

helping other Whoa. Helping other people. Excuse me. Helping other people helps us. I'm a teacher. When other people don't match our economy, when they can't participate in it, everybody's hurt by that. >> So, I I I do have a question, though. We're not even helping ourselves. Why should we help other countries? >> You're right. We should help ours. You're right. We should help ourselves more. And funding the Department of Education is Let me Let me finish. You're How does one help oneself? Have have educational outcomes gotten better or worse since the creation of the Department

of Education? >> The bloated Department of Education. You are right. We're spending way too much Money on administration. That money needs to be go to funding school meals. That needs to be reducing class sizes. >> Sound like a doge. No, cuz Doge is not doing that by destroying the Department of Education. They're not funding title one classrooms. If we funded Title One classrooms with the money that we promised, every single classroom would get a uh PAR professional, which would help my students immensely. They are failing. And as you're saying before That Florida is the most

equitable state, it's not. The richest students get 2,000 more dollars to their schools every year than the uh fourth quartile of students. >> So I I I am curious though that the Department of Education, we've seen standards go down. They want to send it back to the states definition. By definition, we have the Department of Education 11 million people are teach are are in education like yourself. 11 Million of them. 6.7 million are administrators. 6.7 million are administrators. Can we agree we should fire most of those administrators? >> It would look I can't say that

because I don't know what those administrators do. I think we have way too much money. >> You're a teacher. Time out. I got to interrupt you. Are you a teacher? >> Yeah. >> What do the administrators in your school do? >> They help us out a lot. I mean, do you think I could manage my classroom? If I You are wrong. I could not manage my classroom unless I had an administration helping me out. >> You need five administrators or one teacher. That's the ratio. Do you >> That's bad. You're right. That's bad. >> Okay,

but that's the current ratio. 5 to1. But secondly, let me ask you, this is very important. be reduced but ensuring the department of education is Not the answer because then you hurt the American economy by not allowing people to build up their human capital. We already have the evidence >> from the the advent of department of education. We are now 26 in education. We were top five when it started. We're the lowest in reading, math, arithmetic in the western world. Department of Education has made our standard substandard and we spend $250 billion a year on

the Department of Education. And Yet our kids can't we can't find a single kid that can read at grade level in a Baltimore public school or that can do math in a Chicago public school. you know, we keep on spending billions of dollars on. So maybe the solution is crush the current system, send the money back to the states, empower families and parents, moms and dads to spend the money as they see fit, more choice, more competition, and make it localized, not federalized. >> So here's the problem. The state of Florida introduced a bill, my

opponent introduced a bill to uh provide $7,000 for school choice in uh in Florida. That's government waste. Most of that, a lot of that money is going to Disney, to cruises. That's increased waste. It's also every dollar that's taken out of the Florida uh public education system given to private families. 75% of that is going to families no school choice. >> 75% I'm not against school choice as Long as long we fund education properly. But 75% of the money is going to families that can already afford education, which means my students are getting $3 billion

taken out of their education to go directly to the richest Floridaian. >> Hold on. I just want to make sure I understand. So you're against the money going to homeschooling? Like what do you mean by this Disney thing? You're you're talking way too fast. Like, >> so we need money going to where it's needed to school meals. >> What is your critique? You're saying $3 billion going to what? I'm not. >> So $3 billion is being taken out of the public education system, giving it directly to the people can already afford a private education. >>

For what reason? >> To help people get their private education. The problem is there also weren't restrictions on that to limit What the private school tuition by. >> You're totally wrong. I got what you're saying. Well, you're saying though, well, it's because Show me the facts. >> It's their taxpayer dollars that are coming back as a refund, right? It's also the public taxpay dollars that put public money and they were given back to private individuals rather go to the public system. >> It's their own rich people stealing our tax. >> Hold on. It's easy to

say like the rich people the the 75% of the money is going to private >> define rich by the way. How much money afford a private education which is anywhere from $15,000 to $40,000 a year. You are rich. and 75% of the money going to the private ed and 75% of the money go half of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. If you can afford $40,000, you're richer than most people. Now 75% >> 75% of the money that is going uh from uh the public education system into the private uh system is going to

those can already afford private education. >> What is the number one predictor of student success? >> Uh how many years a teacher has been an educator? >> Yeah, actually the quality of this teacher. So, do you can we agree at least because we'll not agree on everything that we should be able to Fire teachers at will? >> At will is What do you mean at will? For what cause? >> If you're a bad teacher. >> What do you mean by a bad teacher? >> I mean, you're you're you're out of the line. >> What do

you mean by bad teacher? >> Yeah. Someone who doesn't listen to their students, doesn't have is not good at what they do. Graded by other teachers >> for cause, not at will. Yes, we should fire teachers for cause. >> Okay. But I think that do we have do we have too many teachers or not enough teachers? We have in Hillsboro County alone, we're missing 12,200 across the premise across state of Florida. What we need is better. That's 50,000 students without an educator. You asked me a question. Let me finish. >> We need We need better,

higher paid teachers. >> Yes, absolutely. And Florida has the 48th lowest average. >> Why do you think that is? >> Because we have a Republican controlled state for the past 30 years that are increasingly taking away money for teachers. >> But hold on. If I'm not mistaken, Florida is in the top five, if not the number one, on educational outcomes for students, right? on them passing, not actual outcomes on them passing. >> So that's number one in the country I think though, right? And it was like number 30 or 40 back before school choice was.

So I'm I'm just curious at your complaint here. But it's fine. Let's just kind of go back to your thing. We'll go to the next question. The Department of Education, why should the federal government have any role in education >> because that spending that money on helping people helps the entire econ Helping people helps the entire economy. People when you let people fall through the cracks, it destroys our economy. more expensive. When you take away the Consumer Protections Bureau, that helps $16 billion of scams go back to the American people. That helps our economy because

then they can take place in the marketplace. What you're advocating for is to reduce the things that push people into the marketplace to increase the barriers and to destroy the freedom of Our marketplace. >> Again, you have not answered the question. Let's just reiterate it. Department of Education >> that that answer it helps people started in 1979. the same sort of nice sounding stuff we started to do over the last 354 years and we have the lowest standards ever had. We have childhood poverty all over the place. We have broken public schools because spending money

from DC does not Solve the problem. Empowering parents does. Parental agency is the solution. Not more not bureaucratic empowerment. >> Spending money on spending >> the federal government to the next one. >> One second. The federal government spending money based solely on tests hurts people because then we don't get the money to go into critical thinking which your misinformation machine uh succeeds on cuz when people can't critically think they accept assertions Of reality. >> So last question. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. >> So you would say I'm a misinformation machine. That's fine. Yeah. Fine.

You're a teacher. Yes. What is a woman? >> What is a woman? >> Oh buddy. All right. So we define gender as a set of preferences that you have. Excuse gender [Applause] Gender is a set of preferences we have. Woman >> woman is a social construct that we've agreed upon. Typically we imagine womanhood as makeup or whatever it is. There is a difference between the word woman and being a biological female. Woman is a social construct that we use. Listen for a second. I'm telling you what it means. Woman. Woman is a social construct. We

agree on these set of preferences. If I tell you that I'm a Man is because I want you to know that I like these set of preferences. If I tell you I'm a woman is because I want you to know that I agree with these set of preferences. >> Can men give birth? Can men or can males? Cuz males can't. >> These listen for a second. If if you listen to your bio professors, you would understand there's a difference between biology and what we think. >> So, I want to thank you for proving a Great

point. You are why we should eliminate the department of education. Thank you very much. >> I need to get to classy so that comes up in front. >> Hey, nice to meet you, Charlie. I'll tell you what, wearing a blazer was a wrong decision today. Man, I am hot. Um, >> we are in the swamp, right? >> Yeah. Right. Um, I'm actually an instructor in history. I teach at the College level and um I have a lot of um my coverage, my main area is um World War I and World War II. And I really

hate it when I'm teaching those classes and then we have a political discussion and students immediately go to the fascistic kind of like Hitler comparison. But that's my question that I have for you. At what point have you see the development of what's happening currently right now to Trump's rise to power um his progression to getting his Second term compared to Vimar Germany during the in- war period because there's a lot of correlations there and this isn't propaganda. I can give you list after list after list from an objective point of view because I'm sure

you consider yourself to be an historian like you're I've seen you in videos before doing very well interacting with the literature and if that's the case in history if you're asking a question testing a theory or filling in a gap Asking that question shouldn't be as controversial as it should be especially if you're looking from objective means >> okay um fair question do you also and I will answer the question but do you also correlate President Trump's rise to second power to Winston Churchill's No, I wouldn't. >> But they have way more in common than

the Weimar Germany one. And you're a historian, professor. You know that, right? Well, think about it. Donald Trump was put in exile. So is Churchill after the Darnell. You know about the Darnell's because you're a professor, right? >> You do. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Can you tell me about the Darnell's? >> I would rather focus primarily on >> If you're a World War I professor and you don't know about the Darnell's anyway. No, no, but this is important Because everyone says this is what you're paying for, everybody. Um because it's it's and it's interesting they

say well the similarities between Weimar Germany and and Trump okay but Churchill and Trump had a lot of similarities in their rise to power. So did Thatcher and Trump. The point being is there's a lot of European examples you can point to. However, I will concretely answer the question. They have huge things that they disagree on And that there were big differences. Was Hitler pro- free speech or anti-free speech? >> Um, he wasn't necessarily pro- free speech, especially when he got towards the end of the Vimar Republic. >> Yeah. I mean, he would imprison journalists

and, you know, put his political opponents in jail. And so, I guess the question is, has Donald Trump been pro- free speech or anti-ree? Well, >> if I can give you some comparisons that I would necessarily see. I mean, if you look at uh you have a populist movement, right? You have uh someone who is very has a cult of personality, a fantastic, no a very effective rhetoric. If you look at the assassination attempts that were on Hitler and on Trump. If you look at even the iconography that you have within the MAGA hats, you

have a white lettering on a red background. If you even go even further, >> I got another one. You forgot. >> Uh did did you know that Hitler had a dog? >> No. No. So, so the very nature of history is seen in level of comparison of analysis. Once again, I'm not >> Oh my goodness. Hitler was also a vegetarian. So vegetarians are also likely to kill their whole population. >> If I could give you another example um and because after my question I would like to ask this is such a sloppy analysis and you

know it >> because I'm trying to step piece at a time to ask you because the question isn't a def definitive. You're trying to build an argument which is the very nature of it and to sit down and observe and ask these questions because it tends to get to the right that there's this accusation that certain comparisons aren't allowed on the left. And so I'm asking you like in a high level of integrity, do you see these comparisons? Not to call hit uh Trump Hitler. That's Not what I'm trying to do. What I'm trying to

ask is if you're sitting down paying attention, at what point would you say maybe you're starting to exceed the level of someone who's trying to act as a liberator to getting to the point of the death spot? Well, well, first of all, I think the entire premise is wrong. You cannot draw a linear connection with every figure of history to the moment of time. That first of all, that's just an incredibly sloppy Way of looking at things because then everything becomes Nazi Germany and everything is Hitlerian. For example, people are like, "Oh, Joe Biden is

acting like Hitler." Which, by the way, he acted far more as an autocrat than Donald Trump ever would. Lockings of political opponents in jail. One second. Instead, you have to look at every moment in time, its own context in its own perspective. And I would say >> there are there's a lot more depth and Richness of history than just what happened during the horrors of World War II. As I mentioned, Churchill's rise to power, That Thatcher's rise to power, the Elizabeth the Elizabethan period. I think that Donald Trump is much more like Justinian's reign or

Marcus Aurelius than anything that you could connect to Donald Trump connect to Adolf Hitler. But at what point, that's a hypothetical, and I refuse to answer hypotheticals, but I would have to throw It back at you. >> It's not a hypothetical, it's a factual comparison. >> No, you asked a hypothetical. You asked me hypothetically at what point would I draw a line? That is a hypothetical by definition, professor. >> What a progression towards a conclusion of the the evidence that's presented. >> I I reject answering hypothetical. >> I'm trying to bring up the factual information

or to get to >> allow me to answer have you answer a very specific question. Okay. Would you agree that Would you agree that there are creeping similarities between the Democrat party's seizure against free speech, their criminalization of political opponents to communist totalitarian dictatorships of the 20th century? Two people can play this game. >> I would make a comparison to the to the the the Biden's presidency as the old regime that fell apart before he had the Rise of the populist figure that was there. I would shift this slightly to get away from the comparison

to Hitler. Could you compare America currently right now to the in war period Vimmore Republic where you had hyperinflation, devaluation of the fiat money, you had people who were suffering when it came to the purchasing power of their labor. It got to the point that even Germany, Berlin was the center of decadence and degeneration. Those conversations are Being had right now. So I would even make the argument if you want to get away from the trigger word of Hitler that the economic, social and cultural environment the viral public had is very akin to what's happening

right now. I think it's more similar to 1980 America. We had a terrible inep president by the name of Jimmy Carter or Joe Biden that that sleptw walk America into weakness and wokeness and a figure like Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump revitalized our Country. I don't have to look to the Weimar Republic. We have 1980 to point to. That's way that's a way better example than And by the way, there's also there's like 15 things wrong with your argument. Number one, Adolf Hitler, >> it's not an argument, it's a question. >> It sounds like an

argument. But fine, I'll you're constructing it. >> The the embedded argument within your question is what's wrong with >> the question was, is there comparable Nature to now and why we're journey? I'll make one more sparingly and and >> I would remove from the 1980s if I could shift it from the 1980s where it's not the same because the similarities. >> Can I answer the differences cuz the similarities are one? I want to give you one more difference one no one more similarity between in a war period and now when it came to Hitler's rise

in power you had the first constitutional republic in vimar Germany in which he Later superseded with certain racial laws certain citizen laws there was a creation of an identifiable other in order to consolidate and coagulate the populist movement okay is that not happening right now with the same narrative that's happening with illegal immigrants >> well no because it's not based on any race it's whether or not you came into the country correctly and legally. No, no, there were citizenship laws. There Were the Reich citizenship laws in which they defined what a citizen was and what

was not allowed to be part of the German population, which is constitutionally committed. >> Got it. So, just to be clear, when Bill Clinton deported a bunch of people, he was also kind of acting similar to >> the national narrative right now. Right now, there's no question that >> No, but it it it let me just let me go at length a little bit. Th this is such A sloppy argument for many reasons. >> I'm not making an argument. I'm making a comparison. such a sloppy comparison for many reasons. >> How is it a sloppy

comparison? >> Because there's so many differences. Can I name some of the differences? >> History doesn't repeat. It rhymes. There's going to be similarities to it. Not the exact same. >> Well, but no, but my question do you not Recognize the similarities? I reject so many of your core premises largely because if you have any political leader in the west, you could start to try to connect dots of what happened in the 1930s and 40s and then say, well, this is very similar to the inner war period and you know this guy's about >> that's

history. That's the study of history. That's how you get a monograph published because what happens is I'm asking you for a comparison. Allow me to Keep on because you're going on a divigation. I'm asking about currently right now America and compared to my moral republic and then you bring in other decades. I haven't even asked >> because because to answer your question I think the similarities are so weak and pale such as saying well Hitler was >> yes saying like Hitler was a vegetarian Hitler had a dog but I would say the similarities between Trump's

rise to power is much more like Churchill that >> populist movement yes or no >> no different than William Jennings Brian or Teddy Roosevelt I say Trump is more like Teddy Roosevelt than anything that happened in the in war period or Trump was more like Alexander Hamilton that is my argument Yes. Is there an economic decline happening right now in America? Is there a promise for economic prosperity? Is there this promise every desper makes that they need power in order to help humanity, but then they End up using it? I mean, there's been who was

it? Anthony Auggle, one of the congressmans that threw the idea of changing the constitution to have a third term. I mean, doesn't that concern you for a second? >> Allow me to, but just what kind of death spot is Donald Trump? How many? >> Not yet. The question is the reason why you're observ. You shouldn't do this to your kids in class, by the way. You should let them Get their arguments. >> No, ask questions. >> Interrupt them. Interrupt them if they're paying you to be here. Okay. >> But allow me to finish my argument

if I can, which is without interruption, >> which is this, which is that if President Trump was really a despot, >> you want to interrupt me so bad. >> I'm holding back for you. was going to be a despot. What kind of a death spot allows his opponents to criticize him, Allows open and robust free speech, and allows the continuation of the true fulfillment of liberal democracy? What kind of a death spot does that? >> It gets to the core of my first question. At what point does it go from liberator to despatism? That's my

question. And the whole point of making the comparison is to provide that critical lens of interpretation of at what point would you go from celebrating Trump to being concerned that is going Too far. Can I give you a scenario which kind of solidifies this for me? Um let's say all of a sudden you have a knock on your door at 2 in the morning. There's a family there, a mother, father, and two kids. They're illegal immigrants and they're asking you to hide them because ICE is coming to get them. What's your response to that? >>

I hand them over to ICE. >> Okay. You would hand them over to us? Okay. Right. >> How is that not different from the exact same narrative that was constructed during his reign of removing from Germany? >> Shame on you for for comparing deportation efforts to start with and the extermination efforts started with deportation. That is such a ridiculous. Not everything is the Holocaust. Not everything is Oshvitz. Let me tell you the core difference. Number one, >> you brought in the Holocaust. I did not. >> Number one, >> I did not bring in that extreme.

You're the one who's taught unique extremes. I'm trying to >> You You did You did bring up the extreme. You You said, "How is it different?" Who brought it up? Me or him? >> No, no, no, no, no. I was mentioning deportations. The Jews were deported first. >> Allow me to tell you how it is different. They broke the law to come here and we are enforcing the law. >> The Jews broke the citizen laws before they were deported as well. They were constitutionally committed. >> These laws have been on the books for well over

150 years that you cannot illegally enter. Constitution can be amended and shifted >> in in Weimar, Germany, they created new ridiculous, arbitrary, evil laws to go After another. These are old laws that are reapplied to our times. I wanted to ask one final question cuz I know you have to get to class. I do >> and you and and you are a professor, right? >> Um, >> what is a woman? [Applause] the woman. >> Um, in all honest response, I mean, Anyone who's biologically a woman that has the gentility of a woman who can be

a mother. Okay, go ahead and say and this is what here's what I enjoyed this conversation. I very much appreciate it. But it's a little bit of a disappointment and I'll tell you why. Because I'm not an ideologue. I would really like to step back and observe what is happening now to read the times and as a historian my training is to look back at some period. It may be Tunnel vision because my areas of expertise happens to be the inner war period but I can't help but find similarities and when I come ask you

what do you think about the similarities immediately you push me to the extreme you're wanting to promote dialogue here but when it comes to like asking an honest question asking to almost like provide a critical exposition of it is kind of like now it gets to the point that the conversation >> I mean look I'll be honest like I asked you a very simple question about inter war period you don't know what the Darnell's is with Churchill and so I don't take what you say that >> seriously has my expertise has to do with appeasement

Secondly, I reject the entire premise of just looking at everything through the inner war period because what is what have they called Donald Trump since day one? They've called him Hitler and they've called Every one of us that wear these hats and these red hats Nazis. And it is so ridiculous and it's so repulsive and it's so insulting. Instead, as a historian, you should not just try to find similarities. You have an obligation to find differences. >> Say, how is Trump different than the inner war period? How is Trump different than Adolf Hitler? Can you

tell me three ways he's different? I can give you a hundred ways in which he's different. >> Okay. But then you but you came up here with just the similarities. >> Would you like me to have come up here and talked about all the similarities or I mean is this conversation supposed to be prove me wrong? >> Yes. They they were both you know men with XY chromosomes and like I mean you could go through all the different the similarities >> and that's making a tright argument there. >> But but the this is really important

is that important is that our current we are prisoners of the talking points of that everything bad is Hitler and everything bad is Nazi Germany. >> That way I I despise But you're you're actively playing into it. Instead, as a historian, what you should be saying is >> you're not even allowing me to ask the question. >> Allow allow me to finish. Instead, as a historian, what you should be saying is, I know this period than anybody else better, >> and I think it's ridiculous when people even get close to asking these questions. You are

failing as a historian to lead people there. There's a big difference. You are failing as a professor not to do that. >> Because if a student walks in, >> let me tell you why. I'm going to finish. Because all of a sudden, it justifies violence and death threats Against us. Because the left is propagandized by professors like you being told that we are Nazis all the time and they come after >> I haven't called anyone here a Nazi whatsoever. >> Everything you have said is the embedded through line. >> If my student walks into my

class and starts pointing everything a fascist. I provide that correction. You did point out this is my area of expertise and you Won't even allow me to ask the question and make the comparison. >> No, we we allowed you to do it and then you said here's all the similarities and it's a great grave. >> I have not given one criticism to your character or to your intelligence. I've been up here and you've done it multiple times for me. I'm not taking money from kids to go them study history at the University of Florida. I

don't have a PhD and you do. Okay. So, the the the The incumbent incumbent intellectual advantage is on you. You have a PhD. I do not. You have a moral obligation when kids go into debt into your class and when you have a public platform to lead them towards saying actually no, the people in media are misrepresenting this and this isn't actually the rise of Nazi Germany. said you're like, "Well, we should consider this and the similarities are kind of eerily and chilling," which is completely >> This is my area of study, but I I

do have one thing and I'll go ahead and I do appreciate your time. I do u I remember I did during the election night in November, I sat back and I kind of I I was going through YouTube channels who was doing the coverage and I actually enjoyed your coverage and there was a point in which Trump won Pennsylvania that you got emotional and you actually shed a tear or two. I wonder at what point in that emotional response goes From felicity and joy of Shane tear of this liberator to actually sorrow of seeing that

this is going to get to the point where it could lead to oppression. And that's where my question was. >> Do you know why I cried on election night >> uh because you thought it was a restoration of the Judeo-Christian values that are inherent to the to the constitution. >> Let me tell you why because I think you Might appreciate this as a historian. Um Joe Biden sent the entire federal government after Turning Point USA and me personally. They wanted me in federal prison, >> right? >> We don't want that. And and by the way,

that's what death spots do, not Donald Trump. Let me finish. And so when Donald Trump won, it was a sigh of relief that maybe I won't have to go to federal prison. Maybe I can actually be around My kids >> and maybe we can live in a free society. >> Criticizing Trump does not mean I support Biden. >> I I never said you did, but you also should, and I want you to do this. I want you in your next class also say, "Well, here's all the similarities between Joe Biden and Adolf Hitler." And there's

a lot, but I don't do that because I think it's intellectually sloppy. historically very dangerous Because not everything can be compared to the most evil person ever to live. In fact, maybe we should a society reserve that and say we're only going to use the Hitler reference very rarely, very sparingly. Putin is Hitler. Trump is Hitler. MAGA is Hitler. Instead, let's take a step back and say no, this was a unique evil, a horror, and comparing everything to that period, not what you're doing, but you're getting close to it, cheapens the evil of that period.

Focus on the comparison gets rid of the ideological rhetoric. >> Or talk about the differences, not just the comparison, because the differences will dradicalize. >> If you and I were sitting down having a beer, we would have talked about the differences and the >> having a club. >> With this environment here, with this environment here, I focuses on the differences. So, I appreciate >> Thank you very much. Have a good class. Thank you. >> Hi, Charlie. Um, before we start, I want to say I'm a professor here at WCU and and thank thank you for

No, don't don't boom. What What do you teach? >> Fair enough. I'm a sociology professor. I actually teach environment and climate change. Um, don't worry, that's not my question. I have no desire to talk about that today. Um, before I start though, I Actually want to surprise you maybe a little bit and and say that I appreciate that you're here. Um, if if nothing else, hold on. If if nothing else, as someone who wants so badly to see our students engaged in politics and the life of the mind, this is great and you should give

yourselves a hand for showing up and be out here to talk about ideas. Um, I do want to focus my question, if I can Ask a question rather than doing this whole Plymouth thing, um, on the students that are here. So, I've taught here for six years. I've gotten to know hundreds of our students. Every semester, I ask them what they care about, what they want, what concerns them. And I think you probably know this, what scares them the most is that the day that they leave here and they go on the job market, they

enter the labor pool, that they're not going to find a Job. >> They're not going to find a job. They're going to have a hard time buying a home. They're not going to be able to afford to have a family. Do you agree with that? >> Do you all agree with that? >> Largely? I mean, if if they're studying sociology, they might never find a job. But I mean, >> yeah, >> you're kind of proving that college is Not really a good use of time. >> So, for the students you're talking to can't find jobs,

why are they learning from you? >> Sorry. For what it's worth, Charlie, I mostly don't teach sociology students. I'm I mostly teach students from across campus who are interested in things like the environment and climate change. I teach very few sociology students. There's actually a lot of environmental science, engineering, finance, Accounting. A lot of people with the kinds of of degrees that you think are very valuable. Anyway, they remain concerned. >> What I would love to hear from you genuinely is what you believe the Trump administration has done in these first four months that is

making the economic futures of these young people better. >> Yeah, I mean, look, he's been in office for like what, 80 days? But quite a lot. Number one, the price of oil is already Down, so it's easier for everyone here to be able to drive home. The gas is going to be cheaper. um which also will lower inflation inflation. Number two, um a tax bill hopefully passed which is no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, largest middle class tax cut in history. So everyone here that's going to have a job where overtime is incorporated.

They'll be able to keep more of their money. Um number three, we're opening up federal lands to buy to build more Homes, which is a great thing because home home ownership is way inaccessible for a lot of people in this audience and it's going to take some time. And one of the main reasons why President Trump won is because we were able to move the youth vote rather significantly. Absolutely. And and substantially because the Democrat party a took younger voters for granted. >> I think we can agree on that. >> Absolutely. >> And b they

did not have an optimistic hopeful agenda for home ownership, for getting married and having children in this country. So >> I would like to see the Trump administration go even further and make it so that every young person in this country can have accessibility to be able to own a home. I think they should prohibit major funds like uh Black Rockck from buying up private family homes so that we have to compete against Them. >> Um and I'll just do another thing I'm privately lobbying for and publicly because I'll say it here uh is I

don't think the Chinese Communist Party should be able to buy up farmland in the western part of the United States. >> Absolutely. And with that single family homes. >> So that's just some of the ideas here. >> Sure. So can I can I respond? I actually agree with most of what you're saying. I'm not sure that opening up federal lands for housing is going to really solve our housing crisis. I'm not sure lowering the cost of gasoline is really going to deal with the other kinds of inflationary pressures that the Trump administration is putting on

the economy because you didn't really mention the most important thing that he's done, which is placed massive tariffs on imports into the United States, which has caused retaliatory tariffs, which Are putting economic pressures on American businesses. So, it's not only actually jacking up the price, it's a functionally attack on all of us. we're all just going to pay extra for things that get imported. So there's inflation. Um but all of this conflict, the import the cost of the cost of living going up, the pressure is being put on businesses also means that the odds of

a recession are also going up. By every estimate, not just academic economists, but Economists from the government as well as economists who are working in finance in the in the private sector. How do you reconcile the increasing cost of living, the odds of a recession with the idea that the Trump administration is making the economic futures of young people better? >> Yeah. I mean, first and foremost, I fully acknowledge that what we inherited from Joe Biden was No, I mean, of course, you inherit for You want me to Prove to you how bad the economy

was? We inherited you laugh real quick. I I think that the problems facing the American economy are bipartisan. They've been caused by both parties over 40 years. Hold on. Let me prove to you how that's not a Biden problem. It's not an Obama problem. It's a Biden and Obama problem. >> No, hold on. Allow me to finish my point. Go for it. Go for it. >> And the audience, your students will Teach you something. Is that okay? >> I would love that. >> Who had a stronger economy? Joe Biden or Donald Trump's first term? >>

It's not So, so you could say it's a bipartisan problem, but when Donald Trump was president, bluecollar workers and young people saw their incomes rise faster than the 1%. When Joe Biden was president, the wealthy got wealthier than any other time in American history. We saw the 1% explode their asset class And young people and workers had a tougher time. As far as tariffs go, it's we're still very, let's just say, new into this rather risky experiment that the American people voted for. It could raise prices or it could end up being where we strike

really good trade deals and we sell more of our own products to these countries and tariffs are a forcing function to open up markets. But I think it's actually really promising that a president is willing to risk even His own political favorability to do something that every other politician has promised, which is to protect the American worker. I really think that's political courage in spades, but and I could address the other points if you'd like to >> interject. You're you're right like it's it's it's risky and I think that that's an excellent way to frame

it. So I guess my follow-up question is what's the theory behind how this will work and how Long do we need to wait until we give up on the experiment? Well, first and foremost, we don't know whether So, when you are the incumbent economic player, tariffs can help you. The entire world would love to be a consumer economy. We are a consumer economy, but if you are only a consumer economy, that comes with some problems. We don't make vitamin C in this country. It's all made in China. No, it's a real thing. You literally can't

survive without vitamin C. Our Antibiotics are made in China. You can laugh all you want. our pharmaceutical materials, our aluminum, our ion, our rare earth minerals, we can't make a drone without at least half the components or parts made in mainland China. That's a national security problem. And so by by using prudence, which is of course one of the highest of all the virtues, President Trump is able to weigh the costs and the benefits while also asking the most important Question. Am I going to be able to have America not be a vassal state to

the Chinese Communist Party while also improving the the well-being of the people who voted for me? And not just people voted for me, but every American person, every American citizen. Finally, if tariffs are nothing but downsides, why does China use them? >> There are some upsides potentially to tariffs to protect some industries or to incentive do incentivize domestic Production. And and finally, I I will I will I think I want to double down and reiterate this point, which is that the people in this audience were and that voted for President Trump were trying to send

a message to their leaders that you haven't listened to us. The experts have gotten so much wrong. You guys stole prom away from us. You stole graduation away from us. You guys from the COVID lockdowns and >> it's time for us to try something new. I'm simply just >> That's that's great. I I don't know what that has to do with the question that I asked which was about the use of tariffs. I don't know if that has to do with prom. Um >> hold on. But no, you you're you're redirecting the question. I want

to talk about the tariffs. >> Can I tell you what it has to do with tariffs? Actually, cuz I'll complete the point cuz you have a PhD and I didn't go To college. So, let me maybe make sense it for you. Okay. But I was saying what it what it has to do with tariffs is that they don't trust what the experts have been saying cuz the experts lock down this generation, unnecessarily mass them for 2 years. So when the experts say tariffs don't work, excuse us when we say actually you have in completely invalidated

all of your predictions the last couple of years that do you see how they connect? >> Well, I see how that connects to how people think about tariffs. I think that's different than what tariffs actually do. And it's perfectly fine to be frustrated. Now you let me talk. >> Well, hold on. No, you let me talk. You keep telling me not to interrupt you. I'm not interrupting. >> That's what you think they do. I'm going to add some context to what you're saying. However, we have not yet done an experiment of tariffs as the incumbent

Economic superpower when we have mass robotics, artificial intelligence, we are energy independent and our greatest adversary is energy dependent. So, you don't know what's going to happen and the American people voted for the experiment. >> Well, then let me redirect you back to the question that I asked you and that you didn't answer. So, it's an experiment. It's risky. These are your words. These are the words you have Used. Yeah. How long do we have to wait and when do we know that they've worked? Is it three years? Is it four years? Four years from

now, prices are still up. >> Well, prices are not going down. Hiring is going down. No, no, it's inflation is not going to go down. But it already is. >> You put you've put a tax you've increased the cost of the whole tariff. >> So So So Dr. What what's your your >> Bugton? >> Bington. >> Bugton. >> Bugton. Dr. Bugton. How does one avoid a tariff? >> Do you mean like how do we not impose tariffs intentionally on ourselves? >> Let's educate the audience. If you're Toyota, how do you avoid a tariff? >> In

the current climate, you would build cars here, which Toyota does. Toyota invests a billion dollars. >> Trillions of dollars are coming into the United States thanks to tariffs. Trillions of dollars. Nvidia pledged $500 billion. Those have nothing to do with the tariffs agreement. Toyota just announced 10 new plants in Indiana and Ohio because of the tariffs. Hayundai the same. No, that >> How long till they build those plants? Is it next year? Is it 5 years? Is it? They've announced it. They're are they're going to break ground soon. However, I think the more operative Question

that you're asking is that if something doesn't work, President Trump will not follow it blindly because he's not an ideologue on this. You can laugh and shrug your shoulders. In fact, he's a patriot unlike the prior president. He actually cares about the well-being of the American people. And so, if what he is doing with tariffs start to have overwhelming evidence that it's not working for the American people, then he will pivot or adjust. But let me tell You the other component. We're about to pass a massive tax bill in conjunction with the tariff strategy that

will make us the most desirable market on the planet to do business. The American worker is about to take more money home than they ever have in the last 50 years. Again, no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on overtime. We're going to have a massive middle class tax cut, an expanded child tax credit, things that the Democrats and Joe Biden refused to do. President Trump is going to deliver in massive numbers. So I I would I would like to say despite what the experts say, oh, there's a recession coming, there's

a recession coming. It might be true. But again, this is the same expert class that has completely lost any credibility with the American people last couple of years. President Trump's been in office for 80 days. Remember when everyone was complaining about the price of eggs? Well, the price of eggs has gone down. The price of oil has gone down dramatic like $20 a barrel. Give President Trump some time. And by the way, it only took him 10 days to solve the border crisis. Turns out we do not need a border bill. We just needed a

new president to secure the southern border. >> For what it's worth, I haven't had lunch, so I'm going to leave and let the next person talk. Um, >> sure. Um, >> I ju I just want to say I do want to reiterate my point for you to reflect on and for everyone here to reflect on. It is a risk and the president has taken an enormous gamble not with some abstract thing called the economy. It's your future. It's your jobs. It's your ability to get hired. It's the ability to buy a house and have kids.

>> No, you don't you don't I got to interject. >> And all you need to do, all that anyone should really bother doing is not to fight about it, but to just pay attention to what actually happens and to reflect on whether what Charlie said is true, that this president is actually a patriot and is actually adapting and is actually doing things to make your life better. Okay, they they voted for him for a reason because they saw his first term and how well he did and how Joe Biden destroyed The country intentionally. >> Thank

you, doctor. And I wish you well. [Applause] Marvelous. Thank you. A very, very short question. Israel versus Hamas. Good guy versus bad guy. Russia versus Ukraine. Who's the good guy and who's the bad guy? >> Both are bad. One is worse. >> Which way round? >> Russia is worse than Ukraine. >> Okay. So, why haven't we pursued that? >> What do you mean? Well, it seems to me that in the whole of the current US proposition that Ukraine is being the bad guy in what way? We funded Ukraine upwards to $200 billion. >> Absolutely. But

>> we just signed a mineral deal with Ukraine, not Russia. >> Yeah, but you are expecting Ukraine to give up 20% of its territory someone who Invaded it. >> Well, is Crimea part of Russia or Ukraine? >> Ukraine. That's where we don't agree. >> Well, I'm afraid that's part of international treaty. That's not up for grabs. >> Well, it's interesting. I mean, that's that's the point. I mean, even Zalinski has said he's willing to give up Ukraine. No, no, no. America signed the agreement that gave Ukraine Crimea right when the Soviet Union ended. Right. It

was it was done. It first of all, it never should have been done. It was largely ceremony. However, it was annexed under Obama. Yes. And it was a mistake and it should be given back to Russia as a sign of good gesture to end this conflict. Who's currently controlling Crimea? Where was the Russian Navy headquartered in World War II? Where where was the the end of World War II? This is very important. >> I'm not doubting that. I'm not doubting that. I'm just saying that if we're being logical on what has happened that you are

now arguing against that flow and I don't understand it because actually why is Ukraine the bad guy? No, I said they're bad. They're not the bad guy. >> Yeah. Well, you said they were both bad, but one was more bad. Correct. Yes. So, why is Ukraine bad? >> Well, there's a lot wrong with Ukraine. First of all, they're not a democracy. Zilinsky refuses to hold an election. >> Well, no, he can't hold an election. >> Oh, wait. Did church hold an election during the war? >> Because under his constitution, >> Hold on. Lincoln held election

during the war. He That's not true. He can call an election. He can call a snap election. He's full dictator of the country. >> No. >> He knows that the people of Ukraine would kick him out immediately because he's deeply unpopular. In fact, if he wanted to show a statement to the world, he would call an election and win by 80% and say, "See, I'm super popular." So, that's number one. I have a problem with that. I have a problem with a person being propped up as a government we're sending $200 billion to that refuses

even to face his voters. >> Um, okay. I I can't agree with you Factually on that at all. Constitutionally, Ukraine is not able to hold an election because it's under military law at the moment. And that's just a matter of fact. Again, he can as a prime minister or president. He can he can do whatever he wants. >> He can't. We're going to go back an executive order and change their constitution. Neither can the American president Either. So, >> hopefully there's better. He he could even do a ceremonial election to see where he actually stands

with the people. >> I think we call those opinion polls. >> Yes. And they're very negative. >> Firmly ahead in the opinion. >> Again, but you would agree that a person that holds on to power without the election of the sovereign is pretty questionable. >> Um, no, not in those circumstances. >> Okay, then we disagree. >> No. Okay, that's fine. That's fine. But give me another reason why you >> They are the most corrupt country in Europe that never even met the most remote standards of joining NATO. Um, do >> you not know where a

lot of this money is going? >> I don't disagree that there is a problem with corruption, but the most corrupt country in Europe. Are you sure about That? >> I'd have to think. I'd have to double or triple think about that, but they're very corrupt. >> Um, okay. So, that's a little bit doubtful. It's not absolutely >> I mean, well, corruption. I mean, you know, let's face it, we are talking about comparison with some of the states you're doing business with in the Gulf. >> Of course, but we're not giving them money. They're giving us

money. That's a Difference, right? Saudi Arabia. >> So it's fine though. >> Well, hold on a second. >> It's morally acceptable to take money from corrupt people. >> Well, hold on. First of all, as far as morally acceptable, you do what's best in the benefit of your country. And so, for example, we we were allied with Russia during the Second World War, and I'm glad we were. And I would ask you, how much don't forget, how much Money is too much money to send to Ukraine? We're at 200 billion right now. I >> I I

don't think you have to send any more money to Ukraine. We agree. I think you have to agree to support them as a free country uh and perhaps sell them weapons like you're very happy to sell weapons to less free countries. Um and I think Europe will pick up the slack uh as we ought to and I don't disagree with some of the comments about Europe not Looking after its own security. I just don't get this approach which was supposedly to end the war quickly which now seems to be elongating it and in doing so

it's throwing up a smoke screen of very variable facts if they are facts at all about how things occurred which actually isn't helping things and if people can't see that Putin is stalling I I'm just >> I agree with you I think I think he might be stalling And therefore, and I Think even your president has acknowledged the fact that he thinks he might be stolen. >> That's correct. So, we don't have a disagreement there. >> No, no, we don't. No, >> we just have a disagreement about the efficacy of tactics. And we don't know.

And and I I'm willing to say we could be wrong. >> No. Oh, well, >> of course you could be wrong in life. I Mean, >> no. I mean, we we could all be wrong, but actually bringing that war to an end consistently actually isn't going very well. And I would just suggest to you that whatever tactics have been used are perhaps not the best. and they are certainly inconsistent with what's going on in the Middle East and how America has been treating parties in the Middle East. But I don't I've had enough of your

time, >> Mayor. No, that's that's a fair contention. Thank you very much. Very much indeed. >> Thank you. [Applause] Thank you so much for this opportunity. It's great to be back in Oxford. Um, I suppose uh I really owe actually a debt of thanks to our friend Mr. Kirk here because uh you know I I'd love to think that my students would wait this long to hear me lecture, but uh to be honest With you um you know been here this long just because of him. But I must caution you. Entertainment is on this side

for you. Education is on this side. Now I got to mention one thing that has been a sort of running current through the argument that you've heard from opposition today which is this idea of he won. He got the popular vote once. Once he got the popular vote once he did win twice. Okay. But the assumption is that he therefore had a mandate. A lot of political scientists dispute that there's even such a thing as an electoral mandate. that people could actually take of it his word and that somehow Elon Musk was elected too. So,

you know what happens when you make assumptions, right? And I hate to use a Democratic daycare because it's got that connotation, but you make an ass of yourself. That's what happens when you make an assumption. Everyone knows that. Now, the word Unprecedented is intrinsically associated almost to redundancy when it comes to Donald Trump. He is not unprecedented in being the first, he's definitely not the first president to try and push the boundaries of executive power to beyond its scope. He is even not the first president to do so in a time that is out of

sync with his context. I can think of two other examples. Andrew Johnson after the Civil War, he was America's first president to Be impeached. Why? because he wanted to welcome the Confederate rebels back with open arms. Like the Civil War, just a bit of a brotherly scuffle, wasn't it? No problem. Oh, all these freed African-Americans. No, let's not have any more civil rights for them. No. So, he got impeached. He wasn't removed, but he was the first president to be impeached. Richard Nixon, here's another example of a man acting out of the context of what

was acceptable in his Times. No, he wasn't impeached because he was forced to resign. He lost the support of his own Republican party. So what is the difference when it comes to Donald Trump? A president who's been impeached twice and not removed. He's not being held accountable. He's pushing the against this for more executive power. It is not acceptable in the 21st century, but so far he has yet to be held to account. >> No, thank you. Presidents have formal Powers and informal powers, but one of the key ones is of course executive orders. We've

already heard it tonight, but I would just like to point out that there was a little bit of fake news over there. Okay, so let me get the numbers straight. In his first 100 days, which is why we're here in the first place, Donald Trump signed no less than 147 executive orders. Now, to put that in context, Joe Biden signed a similar number. That's what you heard, but over Four years, not 100 days. Big difference. So, Donald Trump has brought up the yearly average executive orders since 1944, all the way through the modern presidency, since

FDR. Now, he has also used his pardon power, his clemency power, another formal power. Most controversially, in his first 100 days, we already mentioned the pardoning of 1,500 January 6 riers. hugely controversial and a huge push in The use of executive power. He is the commander-in-chief, another immensely important formal power. What is he using it for? Well, so far, thank goodness, he's only organizing himself a birthday military parade. And how much is this going to cost, you ask? Well, the Guardian suggests it could cost up to 45 million American dollars for the American taxpayer to

pay. Does this sound like the leader of the western democracy? What they would do? He likes to create crisis. Now, we all know that when there's a crisis, for example, he was in charge when there was COVID, when there was crisis with Black Lives Matter, George Floyd, an economic crisis related to COVID, how badly he mishandled and mismanaged that. Why does he like to therefore create crisis? Because he can control them. It's this idea of controlling. Andrew Jackson, a president he most admires, used to use the phrase, I am the storm. That's the Idea. It's

like he wants to be the storm. He wants to control the narrative and create these crisis. No, thank you. To establish himself as more powerful, >> pushing back against traditional allies. Can I think of an example? Too many, but I'll give you a couple. Recently, he's got really keen on this idea of an Iran nuclear treaty. Wow. I feel like I'm in 2015 again. Wait, we had one of those. Oh, yeah. It was under President Barack Obama. And yet, because it was associated with Obama, it became no more under Trump. And now he's trying to

create a treaty with no trust whatsoever. He talked in his election about the Panama Canal. And most egregiously recently in terms of the economy, his tariff wars going after America's one of their oldest and strongest allies, Canada. Why? Fentinel. It's racing across the border. We got to stop it. It's dangerous. How much fentinel comes across the Canadian US border? 0.01%. I'm sorry, that's wrong. Less than 0.01% comes across the US Canadian border. And of course, I would be remiss to talk about Donald Trump if not to talk about immigration and his deportation policies. From the

start of his political career, a mere 10 years ago, his immigration rhetoric rested on xenophobia and racism. And I'm not going to dignify this chamber by repeating some of it. What it has created is it has encouraged some of the worst of Americans and statements to come out to feel vindicated. For example, in American campuses today after his re-election 2024, some Republican student groups were actually encouraging their fellow students to report other students they believed to be there illegally. So, you are now innocent. no longer innocent before proven guilty. He has been told by the

Supreme Court, his own Supreme Court, one might say, considering that he appointed three of the justices, that he must return a man who should not have been deported to El Salvador's max security prison. He must return him. And he refuses to do it. The president has enforcement. He is utilizing this power to an extreme extent. Like this, he is mirroring Jackson. Jackson is the one who 200 years ago, Almost 200 years ago, in 1832, the Supreme Court said, "No, Cherokees, Native Americans must be able to stay on their land. They said this to someone who

had driven through the Indian Removal Act of 1830." And Andrew Jackson ignored it. Why? Because he was living in the democracy of the white man. That was almost 200 years ago. Thank God we no longer live in the democracy of the man. Although I do notice a bit of a gender divide here, Which may reflect the support that Donald Trump has and that gender divide of his own. Another really interesting thing I find about Donald Trump and his use of power and deportation and immigration policies creating the crisis, he seems to be really fixated on

a potential genocide in South Africa against white South Africans. Nobody else has really heard of this and yet white South Africans. No thank you. You'll get your chance, Mr. Kirk. Like my students, they get their chance. So these white South Africans are able to come and relocate to the United States while others including those of minority, racial, and ethnic backgrounds do not get that privileged opportunity, the same privileged opportunity. Finally, I'd be remiss without mentioning Doge. Of course, I mentioned before Elon Musk. I mentioned before how He was unelected. Getting hand cramp there, Mr. Kirk.

Lots of notes. I'm looking forward to it. >> Oh, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it. So, when it comes to Doge, we know that he is not the first president to try and reorganize and restructure the American government. William Taft there 1909 1913 he did it from a fashion of organizing of studying it of specialism. This was a period in which Congress and he got Together while he used unilateral power got together and worked together to ensure that they had someone who was a specialist in government to study it for almost

four years before slashing. There was no chainsaw government. It was streamlining government and it certainly wasn't denigrating those very unflashy civil service jobs that people do tously day in and day out and mostly thanklessly as well. So ladies and gentlemen, I ask you in my final 30 Seconds, 40 seconds, how do we judge whether a president has gone too far when the method that the founders gave us, the high crimes of misdemeanor, the last block of check, the impeachment mechanism, seems meaningless for a man who has been impeached twice. How do we hold her to

account? Well, by the only means that we know how and that we've spearheaded. We must vote. We must vote in proposition. We must vote by democratic means to prove that Donald Trump has gone too far. Thank you very much. [Applause] I thank Laura for her fine speech. And now closing the case for the opposition and indeed the whole debate, Mr. Charlie K. Is that my timer? >> Okay. Uh before I begin my prepared remarks, I feel like I got to run the gauntlet. Uh first, I'll give you a,000 pounds right now. If you could tell

me The US citizen that was deported under Donald Trump. You said that twice. >> Yeah. The US citizen that was deported under Donald Trump. Can anyone tell me? Thousand pounds. I'll give it to you right now. Yeah. Name? >> Wrong. Not a US citizen. Salvador citizen. El Salvador. Anyone else? >> US citizen deported under Trump. Nope. That was a lie. You should know better than that. you go to Oxford. So that is a correction. Number two, can you tell Me when it comes to Charlottesville something you said when Donald Trump said that there were people

on both sides, he was actually talking about the statue debate, not what you said. So that's a hoax. That's line number two. Um Oh yeah, you said that somebody over here said something about uh Pete Hegsth being nothing more than a TV host. You should also mention that he was a service member of the military. >> Nope. Sorry, I'm going to talk Uninterruptedly. Thank you. service member and was in a decorated war hero. Funny you didn't mention that. Oh yes, January 6 came up multiple times from You tried your best, but from you um and

from the opposition. It's not an insurrection. You've called them all rioters. It's funny. A small percentage of people that were actually there on January 6 did anything violently. The vast majority walked into the capital building after they were Invited. Also, back to your point, um, I certainly hope reform and AFD wins. Uh, so I hope that it's not to teach Trump a lesson that he goes too far. We'll get that in a second. Finally, the Donald Duck really, like what was that all about? What is this jar? I have no idea what you're talking about

in the back of the room. It's like it's completely lost on me. So, I don't know what that what that's all about. Um, also on the Canadian border, the professor failed to Mention that the Canadian border was closed. President Trump said fentanyl and the amount of terrorists that are coming across the Canadian border of which the most terrorists that come into America come across the Canadian border on the terrorist watch list. You did not mention that. And finally, professor, you never heard of it in South Africa. Interesting. You never heard of that. The fact that

a a major political party in South Africa says, quote, "Kill the Boores. Kill the boores." I would expect more of somebody who wrote dissertation and teaches here at Oxford to say that you would not know about the attempted slaughter and genocide of white South Africans. Okay, now on to we we I'm sure there's lots of POIs and I will talk uninterrupted now to my remarks. But actually, is that all of it? Let me see here. Yeah, that's just a taste. Hello everybody. It's great to be here tonight. Thank you to the Oxford Oxford Union for

inviting me. I never went to university. I take that as a great compliment. So therefore, everyone who wants university should be able to run circles around me. You'll be the judge, but I'll do my best. Has Donald Trump gone too far? Well, I can nitpick at how vague that question is. What is too far exactly? Are his tweets too long? Can all of us even agree on what we're aiming at? I don't think so. The truth Is this. If you dislike the West and if you hate the West's values, if you think the West is

evil fundamentally and deserves to be destroyed, then anything Donald Trump does basically short of surrender will be too far for you. If I was visiting the school 100 years ago, speaking in support of an American president, I think we would at least have some broad agreement on what a country's leader should be trying to do. But we don't anymore. I don't think it's Because America's changed. In fact, I think it's because Britain has changed. From my perspective, Britain is one of the greatest countries in the history of the world. You were the country of Shakespeare,

the steam engine, and Adam Smith. You defeated Napoleon. You destroyed the slave trade. You stood up to Hitler. My country, America, became great as it is because of what we inherited from you, from Britain. When I hear the slogan, make America great Again, I'm also hearing, quote, "Return America to its British roots." Great Britain has everything in the world to be proud of. But when I look at Britain today, I see a country where the ruling elites are in a race to abandon the very values, the values that made them so great in the first

place. I wish I could blame this all on labor, all on the left, but I can't. This country just had its 14th uninterrupted year of so-called conservative rule. And what did they Conserve exactly? Well, they didn't conserve the ancient British rights to freedom of speech. In Britain today, 30 people a day are arrested for offensive posts on social media. According to the Telegraph, praying silently within 600 feet of an abortion clinic can get you arrested in Scotland, as a 74 year old woman named Rose just learned weeks ago. Members of parliament scold British citizens for

thinking they have the right to say things, say that they do Not have the right to say things that offend Muslims. 14 years of conservative rule didn't conserve British prosperity. Adjusted for inflation cost of living, the average British worker makes less today than they did in 2008. Outside of London, the British have lower incomes than every one of America's 50 states. And it never used to be this way. British industry pays four times as much for electricity as America does. You have the highest electricity rates in The world, a consequence of a choice of going

netneutral. Nothing will kill a modern economy faster than high energy prices. And the country that again that invented the steam engine now has some of the highest energy prices on the planet. But above all, 14 years of conservative control didn't preserve the British nation. This country's conservatives thought it was their moral duty to allow anyone from the third world to move here. They Didn't need to hold Western values. They didn't need to have useful skills. They could go on welfare immediately. Just last week, Kier Starmer announced he's changing the law to make sure immigrants who

commit crimes are deported because the conservatives never actually bothered passing that law themselves. The dying out of the British nation means the dying out of Christianity. Britain is the birthplace of Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Quakers, and more. I would guess that more Christian denominations trace back to Britain than any other country. But soon, Britain will have more practicing Muslims than practicing Christians. I think that will be a catastrophic change, and everyone knows it. That's why it's only Muslims moving to Christian countries, never the other way around. I don't want America to go the way of

Britain. I want us to remain free. I want us to remain rich and Innovative. I want us to remain Christian. I don't want Americans to be replaced. But forget what I want. This is what the American people want. And in a democracy, the people are supposed to get what they want. The very same people that lecture us about democracy have a lot of problems with the consequences democracy when the people vote away that they don't like. And that's where Donald Trump comes in. When I was growing up, people would say that Britain was where America

would be 10 or 20 years in the future. What they meant was that Britain was more leftwing than America, but we'd catch up eventually. That's just how things were over time, and nothing could stop it. I don't hear people saying that anymore. Donald Trump is the reason why. Almost alone, Donald Trump has changed the course of history. He's destroyed the assumption that the left's victory was inevitable. Under President Biden, more than 10 million illegal aliens Entered America. Guides were published on Tik Tok explaining how to break into America. Say some magic words at the border

and nobody would stop you. Entire neighborhoods of American cities were turned over to migrants living on the dole. America was treated as a pile of wealth for the rest of the planet to plunder plunder at will. Now that is all stopping. President Trump has cut border crossings not 90% not 99% but 99.9%. For years, my country's leaders lied That the southern border was an unfixable mess. President Trump exposed them all as liars within weeks. But closing the door didn't fix the damage that Biden did. We have well over 10 million people in America who should

not be in America. If somebody breaks into your home, you don't fix the problem by closing your door and locking it. Things aren't fixed until the burglar is kicked out. And President Trump has been fighting harder than ever to make that Happen. But I'd be happy if we fought even harder. Of course, illegal migration isn't the only threat facing America. In Joe Biden's America, we had the tyranny of DEI. Even though America's Constitution explicitly forbids racial discrimination, our government ordered people to do it anyway. People were denied jobs and denied promotions. Kids were shut out

universities based on the color of their skin rather than their ability. Companies were denied federal contracts because their owners didn't look a certain way. People who didn't discriminate enough in hiring could be sued by the government. Every company in America lived in fear of their government deciding to target them for offenses against DEI. Trump has ordered DEI to be torn down. But I want him to tear it down faster. I want every university told that they're losing all federal dollars immediately if they Don't stop racial discrimination. I want the Department of Justice to start auditing

auditing every federal contractor to find DEI and shut off contracts immediately wherever we find it. This is a kind of cancer that cannot be phased out. It must be ripped out from the core. The same goes for the toxic social contagion of transgenderism. In Joe Biden's America, public schools and medical organizations were co-opted into endorsing this Insanity. They urge children just 10 years old or younger to take barely tested hormones and surgically alter their bodies. In some of America's liberal states, a parent who objects to their child's transition can lose custody. I've met dransitioners who

escaped from this social poison. They tell me that getting sucked into the first place was the greatest mistake of their lives. President Trump has taken steps to stop promoting this lunacy. He's acted to protect women's sports. Another POI meant to make. She said it's only a couple dozen. 890 biological men have stolen awards, trophies, and championships from women in America. It's not a couple dozen. Over 890 women were displaced by pervert men. That's why I want Donald Trump's administration and why I support it. It's mostly what I've gotten, but I want more of it. I'll

be honest. We the American people, we want more deportations. We want more Peace deals. We want more woke colleges defunded. We want more DEI parasites to lose their jobs. The American people voted to put America first. And you know what? You should all too. This is my final point. Do I have to stop? Okay. I mean, you should want to No, it's fine. I I don't know the rules. I It's fine. You should want to preserve and restore the greatness of Britain. You should want the decline to stop and you can make it happen. Starmer

wouldn't be Saying anybody's saying without what President Trump is doing. If you are honest with yourself, if you want a great Britain, again, not a mediocre Britain, if you want a Britain that you could be proud of, you should all be wearing MAGA hats and cheering Donald Trump on every step of the way. Thank you very much.