PT 3 : The Church or Kemet: Who Has the Answer for Black America?(with Q and A)

[Music] the next topic is the church or Kimon who has the answer for black america now just a few things to understand this section this section was built and agreed upon because there's one thing for us to intellectually engage which is great now what does it look like in this section this is what you should be looking for you should be looking for both of them Giving practical steps on who can functionally change things and what that change might look like but not only that as they go through their sections I'm gonna ask that we

even though I know both of you have a ton of slides that we stick to this particular topic so that means that the both 20 minutes will be specifically this topic not attempting to grab information that you want to share in that section because that will be viewed as a misinformation for this Section the rebuttals need to actually be rebuttals to what's presented not what we want to add to the discussion so that means in order for debate to be clear and helpful for everyone let's stay on topic informational II and help our rebuttal story

but what's actually presented versus just introducing more information that we want to go on brother Jabari your 20 minutes is beginning now and you are set to go dois thank you thank you who has the answer For black America the church I came in now let me say something to you that is probably not great to say in a debate the reality is is that we have to figure out how to work together this is not a situation where I'm going to say to you that unless you rock in Kemet we're not going to move

forward that's not what I'm saying at all I would not say that and honestly while we've had a spirited debate here this is a brother that I can work with That's a brother I can work with this is a church that's doing important work that doesn't mean that we are not going to have difficult discussions pointed discussions but we have to learn how to have pointed discussions and difficult discussions without becoming disunited so I need to say that I am NOT suggesting that you must be commit in order for our entire nation to move forward

I do believe however that the paradigm That we see in ancient commit and the actual behaviors that we see those practitioners and those teachers coming forth with are absolutely redeeming for our community in 2019 and beyond and so I want you to start by just looking at some of our master teachers these are folks two of them who actually helped Hyun Jabari in - who Jabari is you're seeing on the Left who is this dr. Bend by the way I'm not hearing Those names on this side come on now come on now in the middle

who we seeing shake on - Joel and then on the end we're seeing dr. John Henry Clark these amazing Africans who are now ancestors actually fought for us to understand the full breadth of African history it is difficult to understand how to move forward today if you don't understand what you did yesterday imagine if you woke up tomorrow morning and had no memory of the days years before what Would you do where would you go that is essentially what our oppressors would like us to do they'd like us to be a people that began in

enslavement they'd like us to be a people that actually have not proven that we can rule the world in peace and prosperity the peace comes first and so I want you to look at these elders and understand they did important work two of them dr. ben and dr. Clark were actually professors of mine at Cornell University Amazing people but I have to say that this elder this elder is the one whose practice has allowed me to stand upright when I have a problem and I'm not communicating he calls me beloved where are you I have

not heard from you are you okay and his walk has been 50 years in the kinetic tradition so please understand that when we look at the kinetic tradition and we look at its resurgence its renewal in the West it hasn't actually been extremely long we Should not be judged on whether we are able to do things that the Christian Church is able to do particularly because and you may be upset when I say this but it is true Christianity was given to us as in the entire time we've been here so that in some ways

even those wonderful conscious Africans who were Christian had a head start in trying to do things in our community so I'm not trying to match Christianity the church I want to be able to make a Strong movement that can partner with you that's what I want to do and I truly hope that what will happen is you're going to go back to an ancient form of Christianity because if you do that what we do will look almost no different from each other then we'll be able to work in lockstep that's what I'm hoping and so

I want to just recognize that there's been a lot of work done but more needs to be done take a look at this incredible Queen Here her name is Queen of fuáá one of the things that we have seen the kinetic tradition do in excellence is bring forth health and wellness in our community that if there's anything that marks the Kemetic community is that excellence in diet excellence in in in dietary practices and health practices that's what you're usually gonna see when you see a practitioner my older is over here eatin our not a candy

bar oranges not fried Chicken oranges and look at his face he's like that was good that's what the things that the kinetic tradition has brought forward in excellent health and wellness but I do want to say to you that in order for us to understand what we have to do we have to have clarity of purpose what is the biggest challenge that faces African Americans just call them out what do you think the police racism poverty abortion education self-hatred You're gonna call all of those out and I'm gonna say yes yes yes yes and yes

but I want us to understand that we actually have the resources to meet those things now on October 5th of 2019 if we truly sought to actually address those issues we would be able to address them you'll see here that we are actually reaching buying power of nearly 1.3 over 1.3 trillion dollars of buying power so if we wanted to solve all of those things you called out we actually Could so the question you have to ask is why aren't we and I'm gonna argue that something really serious has gone on we have a challenge

with the image with the image of what the African is of who the African is we even have people that don't want to say they're African and so what we've what we actually have to do is we have to now be corrected did you know that black and Latino youth watch up to an hour more TV every day that black Latino youth spend about 45 Minutes more on other forms of media and then there's an interesting study that comes out this is really small here from the Journal of communications research that actually says that the

only group whose self-esteem increases with more television is white boys so we're watching more and it's damaging us more this is a critical issue and we must address it I'm gonna play it's the shortest possible clip of this now the shortest in fact I might Even speak through it but understand that CNN actually did a study they recreated the dog our second major finding even black children as a whole have some bias toward whiteness but far less than white children the smart child and why she the smart child okay show me the dumb child and

why is she the dumb child what I want you to understand is that our major challenge is understanding who we are and what we're capable of having a reconstructed Healthy view of what what being African is the best way to do that is to actually go back and fetch it to remember who we are in order to know what we're able to do we can have one point we can have three point one trillion dollars of buying power but if we don't recognize that we need to tie our bundles together that the white man's ice

is not colder well like that sink in that the white men's ice is not colder then what will happen is we will Be able to do those things together that's what we have to do and I would say to you that there is no tradition that is better equipped to do that than understanding what we did when we're on top of the world you're looking here at Imhotep hey am hotep with me Imhotep is one of the world's first recorded doctors Imhotep is one of the world's first recorded engineers builds the world's first building in

stone and we can't even buy a house in the name We live in how about pitar hotep say patel tap with me the tahoe tap as i said to you the person that wrote the world's oldest book yet we are people who believe that we should be illiterate whose children even in 2019 are told if they excel that they must be acting white here's king of Menem hat the third say men I'm hot the third by the way he's always depicted with very large locks always we should be clear who this is And he during

his reign he brings for it one of the most powerful and early mathematic pap races today it's usually called the Rhine mathematic papper assay rind mathematic Patras I'm not telling you that because you need to know who rind is usually these names are just given to the Europeans who purchase the thing and probably couldn't even read it but you're gonna have to do research that's why I'm telling you this by the way if you thought of math this way Listen to what the person who wrote it his name is Ahmed by the way and I'm

a look at a mess a member of my shrine over there this is what armas says about what the text is he says it's an accurate reckoning for enquiring into things and a knowledge of all things mysteries all secrets if you told kids in a third-grade class that you couldn't teach them how to understand all secrets before they learned an African form of mathematics they would be more Interested we have to tell these stories and then I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this because I did earlier we gave the world spirituality if

we recognize that the forms that are most prevalent today are nothing but copies poor copies of that which you hewn in Africa then we would actually approach this in a from a different perspective and so I would say to you family that the most important thing that we can do is actually to understand who we are Maybe you thought I was gonna give you a long treatise on how we're gonna build black economics we have black economics maybe you thought I was gonna tell you about how I was you were gonna save black relationships well

in actuality we have plenty of black relationships but we need to have proper models for how they should occur and if we had proper models for how they should occur we would actually save them and I want you to understand that the other traditions Have problems with women they have problems with women if that is what you're doing and saying how can you actually decide how to have a wonderfully balanced relationship a relationship based on what we would call my aunt this Queen here is my equal she's my equal if you follow an ancient guide

for how a relationship should occur the issues we have with the relationships the issues we have with abortion this brother mentioned would Literally vanish the problem is that our families have been rendered asunder they were destroyed by a cruel process by a cruel subjugator and that subjugator actually has to recognize that when we understand who we are there's no way they can step and stand in our way now understand something very interesting Africans today are actually situated all over the world do you know that they're more than a billion Africans on the Planet we talk

about the number of people of Chinese people of Chinese descent we talk about the number of Indians by the way India is about to pass China in terms of population but we never talk about the number of Africans most Indians are in India most Chinese are in China Africans are all over the world you could see that as a problem or like the variable pieces of ass are you can see that as our unity allowing us to resurrect ourselves I'm not saying you Got a move to die but be powerful and work with those Ghanaians

in New York that's what they need you to do by the way they don't need you taking up space and where we gonna sleep that's not what they need they need for us to strategize around the world we are situated in key places around the world if we had knowledge of who we were we would there would be no problem that would actually befall us and so this is what we must do we have To have a corrective understanding of what it is to be African there is no problem that is more a present to

people of African descent there is no problem that has been more difficult for people of African descent I know I have not had the opportunity to see the psychologist after my enslavement have you did they send them into the plantation and say look we know it's been really rough we want to talk about how you feel and what you think about that didn't happen we Just been going along continuing to live broken lives now some of us have actually gotten it together that's wonderful because Africans are people that cannot be held down but in 2019

we have to go further I'm gonna say to you family that I was raised a Christian in a black church it was Roman Catholic but it was black but nobody else there and when I go back to see my family who attends those people still love me those people still are able to talk to me About the story of morality and how to move forward as a man but I am going to say to you as long as they are ensconced in that tradition they won't find guides that will help them understand how we have

to move together as a community you know when I talk about African thank you they won't and that's why it's of critical importance for us to go back in and fetch it go back and understand who we are and where we've been at the top of The world if I had more time I talked to you about how chromatic spiritual and in many ways is just African spirituality it didn't originate in come in it came to its flowering came in but it's not it's Africa these are African traditions that we can actually prove were in

existence for over 40 thousand years we were doing these amazing things before we have record of other people we don't know where they were or what they were doing they don't know where they were on What we were doing we gave these things to the world if we continue to run from them we're gonna continue to spin in circles that which we need is already amongst us and so I want you to understand that there are Kemetic shrines popping up everywhere everywhere in fact in our small space we stream live and when we stream live

we have people from all over the world who are now saying well who is it that I am and I have been honored to take 3,000 Africans to the continent honored to do that every year my wife and I take groups to come in and to Ghana and to Ethiopia yes Ethiopia because we have to understand what we did and what we're doing we have to become a global people I know that that which was given to me as a Christian was the best that my parents could give me but they didn't expect me just

to do what they what they gave me they expected me to do better with it I know your parents believe that Too sometimes when I when I'm talking about the Abrahamic traditions people really become hurt and offended and I know why it's because you're thinking I'm speaking of those people who loved you who brought you to those those healing spaces I get it what I am saying is that we have to go further we cannot remain there they expected us to go further and if you believe you are honoring your mothers and fathers by remaining

there What about those mothers and fathers who were killed when they were practicing African traditions have you forgotten their names but would you like to just say that they transitioned would you like to just say they beat they under there was no force they just became something else when we do that we do them a disservice when we do that we do ourselves a disservice when we do that we cannot go back and get what we need and so I'm imploring you family whether You are rocking what Kemet or something else we have to study

what we did in order to truly understand what we have to do and I will say to you that no other people on the planet have had a richer more prosperous history I know it's hard to see that from the vantage point of 500 4 or 500 years of hell I know it's hard to see that but you have to understand that if we actually look at the long history that we have been here there is no problem that is a Problem the very story of hasta Sauron have rule is a story about a broken

family about a woman raising a man a boy to a man without a man in the home I know that that's not something we experience here right that's not happening in Philly is it these stories will be guides and so please follow them and we will be strong again da all right all right you home well thank you brother Jabari if it's okay I'm Gonna make a presentation but that also might slip a few questions just because I understand I think I'll have the final rebuttal so want to be able to slip in some some

opportunities to respond even now that you can add into your rebuttal preemptively but thank you so much I agree with so much of what you said especially on the need for us to work together and pretty much most of the things you had to say about various Kemetic movements and the positive Things they bring in our community is things that I've seen in experience and appreciated as well so with this last you know with this last portion about you know this rot or commit who has the answer for black America I'd like to take this

again I kind of like to present some some information and again we've some we've some some questions today throughout in two particular ways and what I don't want to do though is it's because of my particular you know Hymen note you know which we you know Meechum school of hymen is like you know theology it's a and so this is an Ethiopian word for theology as well so we use that and my particular hymen note of the scriptures as it relates to you know kind of the Lord's plan for us in this world is not

one of triumphalism because the yeshua that i believe in is one that told me that foxes have holes but the son of man doesn't have a place to lay his head and that that if we that We can actually expect persecution in this world and one of the reasons that i find the viscera the gospel of yeshua so compelling and the not only the answer for black America but for the world for everybody is there's a lot of reasons I could give and I got 20 minutes one of the main reasons I want to do

is actually that it that it best prepares us and enables us and empowers us to be witnesses of a kingdom of God's kingdom on this earth even while we have already Seen it come to fruition in the person of Jesus Christ and yet it is not completely it is not completely fit it's already present but it's not finished yet at the same time and we live in a world where there's brokenness and evil and darkness all around us and and and and I again my particular hymen note is not one of triumphalism where i could

point to the fact that the black church is the is still the greatest source of civil Engagement and an organization and source of hospitals and HBCUs and schools eclipsing all other religious faiths combined in the black community and it has been that ever since the beginning of black history in America that it is still the organization in each black community that makes a bigger impact across the black community in various different ways and that's not - and that's not - to not acknowledge the great early err aid in ten of us are Christians and so

there it's made a bigger impact but I don't want to actually argue from that perspective because again my understanding of what it means to be a nasrallah we in this world is not one of triumphalism not one that measures the truth of our faith by how much practical you know success from a worldly standpoint we can have because actually the Bible teaches us that we can expect persecution and we can expect difficult things and so I don't want to I don't want to appeal to Biss rot I don't want to appeal to our to our

Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on the on the basis that it will make everything better because it may not necessarily do that again even though I could argue that because again the black church has made more impact in physical tangible ways than any other black religion in this country but the one I wouldn't appeal to specifically is the theology that it allows us to empowers us to go Throughout this world again with empowerment and and I would argue specifically that the bish rot especially as it has been practiced among African people those of us from

the continent and the Diaspora for 2,000 years has more than other religious traditions given us a sense of cultural identity and given us a voice of resistance to the various oppressions that we have and still are actually facing that it has done that from the Beginning show that from an ancient and modern standpoint but one of the things that I want to point out is that the in the ancient world especially as I pointed out the beginning in the Roman Empire and even in Mesopotamia and the Levant there was definitely instances of anti blackness and

an anti black racism and sentiment and a disparaging of dark skin and we even see that in the Bible where Moses his sister is Disparaging his wife because she's black and you actually see God punished her because of that and so we see in the scriptures and probably most pointedly in the Song of Songs 1 5 and 7 where the bride of Solomon is saying is she's talking about her skin color and esteeming it and actually rebuking and putting down colorism or any kind of disparaging of dark skin by saying I am dark yet beautiful

daughters of Jerusalem do not stare at me because I'm Dark why should I be like a veiled woman beside the flocks of your friends the Bible itself actually esteems blackness and one interesting thing is the fact that black skin is the only skin colour that is specifically highlighted in the Bible you will not see any other people group or any other racial group where their skin color is particularly pointed out you don't see people talking about you know a you know kind of middle-eastern or purse or greco-roman Or any other ethnic groups but it's only

with black people only with Ethiopians only with people of African descent which again that means black is skin color particularly pointed out and it's done so in a positive way saying that this is a good thing and again these are depictions of ancient Ethiopian manuscripts this this particular book is from the fifth century and notice again the black and the proudly African features that are depicted in Ethnography we have Jesus and Mary and angels and apostles that are all drawn proudly with African features right this the idea of this white blond-haired blue-eyed Jesus that looks

like Thor or like Captain Jack Sparrow is completely foreign to this world and yes it isn't it is an image that has been used for oppression for a long time but as I've said multiple times today that is not the particular expression of Christianity that is biblical or that Ayah scribe - but there is this tradition and I have to push back a bit on the comment that was made earlier where it says you know I'm sharing with you all today an ancient term called this rod let's say it one more time rot it's okay

to pronounce that because that is actually your ancestry that is the only that is one of the Oh that is the only African languages that is that that has its own writing system that is still Alive today whereas most people in the continent unfortunately use European writing systems so it's it's deeply lamentable to me to have a push back be that nobody calls it that why doesn't anybody call it that because we're so full the white supremacy is so extensive but that is completely inaccurate because as I said this is an ancient term that you

can find in text that goes back to the fourth century when again Ethiopia freely embraced Christianity as Its dominant state religion this is not a new thing I'm not telling you guys a new word today and so in fact the fact that nobody says it is actually part of the problem but I think a lot of my committee brothers sisters would understand that part of what it means and I appreciate the ways that in media that you were doing this for a lot of our people in our communities going back and reclaiming but then we

can't then disparage and say well nobody calls it That so then therefore we say actually there is a Christian nation that's been Christian for 79 years that's been using that word and it's in ancient manuscripts not only that but not only in Ethiopia but again when you look at early African history in Egypt in North Africa and Carthage in Nubia and in Ethiopia when you look at history from the from the time starting from the time that this rock comes into these places it's freely embraced nobody forces it on Them the white man does not

force it on them but these African nations freely embrace Christianity as their religion and from that point on the majority of literature that comes from these places is Christian in nature it's Nasrallah if you want to just study African history during this time period from the first century up until you know going going forward in Egypt and in Nubia and in Aksum you will find christian literature left and right whether you want to look At there is literature or nubian literature or coptic egyptian literature it's gonna be predominately Christian Christianity bish wrought literally gave us

languages it gave us literature African literature from the first up until the even way before the colonial period Christianity was synonymous with African literature you couldn't separate the two they went hand-in-hand and not only that but architecture as well there were his unique styles of architecture In the churches of lalibela and in the the monasteries in Dongola and and all of all throughout Nubian Egypt but unique styles of this rot that not only were different than the dominant oppressive Roman Christianity but also preceded it and this is something that has given what I'm talking about

Africans a sense of identity and pride one example that we see of this and another thing this is one of my questions that I'd like to propose if You could speak to brother Jabari in your rebuttal one one thing that I haven't seen one of the one of the few things that I haven't seen one of the two main things that I haven't seen or I would like to see more response to that I'm putting forward that makes the idea that Christianity is a white man's religion that it was that it's that it's that it's

forcing upon us is the totality of the story makes that claim untenable it makes it impossible to hold To that idea is to particular things and one of them that I'd like you respond to is that I haven't heard a response was the fact that that that Nasrallah we in Egypt were resisting the Roman Empire the Roman Empire came in to Egypt and attempted to impose their own theology and literally kidnapped and murdered and tortured Egyptian Nasser Ali and so that has I'd like to see how can what in response to that fact the fact

that again Nasrallah were in Egypt and were Being persecuted by the Roman Empire as well as in Nubia and this is an example of that the life of Daniel of skater's talks about the Emperor Roman Emperor Justinian who is seen as kind of the dominant Byzantine Emperor he is going throughout the Roman Empire and in Egypt in Syria and the places where black and brown people mainly live and is enforcing Roman theology the theology that Jesus is one person in two natures the one that many Arabian and Syrian Egyptian Christians rejected and was trying to

enforce it and there's a Egyptian monk named Daniel of skata skaters in the wadi Latrun in egyptian it's called she hate and this is the story where he talks about Justinian coming in and oppressing saying and it was at this at that time that the impious Justinian this is the Roman Emperor became Emperor he who was polluted and terrorized the entire world and the Catholic Church in every place He endeavored to enforce the accursed fate of the defiled Council of Chalcedon everywhere and scattered the beautiful flocks of Christ he chased the Orthodox bishops and Archbishop's

from the Thrones and the Empire's Justinian was not satisfied with this but also disseminated the impious tome of Leo which the Empire's Council of Chalcedon had accepted he propagated it everywhere that lay under his control in order to make everyone subscribe to it when it Was brought to Egypt a great disturbance occurred among all the Orthodox faithful who were in the land of Egypt and it was brought to the holy mountain of status in order that our Holy Fathers might subscribe to it notice all of the different parallel isms here going on that Egypt is

being presented as the source of Orthodoxy and the source of a unique expression of Christianity this this this makes this idea that there was this dominant Christian history that was Put on people untenable because in the 400s there was deep strife and controversy between the churches of Egypt and the Roman Empire where the Roman Empire was enforcing itself upon Egyptian and Syrian and Arabian Christians so and they were resisting it and still do to this day the the Egyptian and Ethiopian and Armenian churches still do not have communion with the Roman Catholic Church because of

this particular schism tooth And they proceeded so again it may but this is just one of those examples another example that shows again this one shows again about how the Egyptian language itself was a marker of resistance and a marker of African Egyptian pride and for the Christians this is when Arabic is starting to become the dominant language and there's a monk an Egyptian monk named Samuel kalamoon and in his text called the apocalypse of Samuel kalamoon this Is written in the 10th century where he is trying to encourage Egyptians to resist speaking Arabic so

that they can continue to speak the Egyptian language because and notice this because the Egyptian language is considered to be part part what like kind of one in the same with Christians it says they will abandon this language meaning Coptic to speak Arabic and to worship in it to the point that we can no longer recognize Them as Christians but they will be taken for Berbers truly I say to you my children that those who give up the names of saints to give their children foreign names those who act this way will be excluded from

the blessing of the Saints and anyone who dares to speak the language of the Hegira that's a another kind of phrase for Arabic inside the temple that one will deviate from the ordinances of our Holy Fathers again and also just so this was written and This is written in Coptic and Arabic and the word for temple is actually OPA which is actually the Egyptian word that was used for Temple in the traditional religion that then was used for a church because again as we've said this is an another example of the ways that Christians embraced

a lot of their ancestry and their history and rejected some of it but continued to embrace a lot of it and this is another example that shows how the language itself again If you look at Egyptian literature if you just study Egyptian literature from the first century going forward until the 12th century you will find Christian literature Christianity this rod gave Africans a voice it gave us literature gave us architecture I want to show one more example of that from the modern period the move from the ancient they move to the modern period well a

lot of Pedro's okay elder was just so that we can Respect you as an elder we want to also respect the debate and give everyone their time and disagreement on that then let's let's go back to the five minute mark because that's when the outburst began all right but yeah I'd be happy to talk with anybody afterwards anybody has any pushback or questions so this is an example this is a an excerpt from a text that was written in the 16th century when the Roman Catholic Church attempted to come in to Ethiopia which Had been

a nation of Nasrallah for over a thousand years and attempted to bring just like they were doing this is right after they built those slave castles and brought in Roman Christianity into Africa they attempted to come into places where it hadn't been before and then they even came into action where he had already been for a thousand years and said hey we brought the right to you we brought the gospel we've come to make you Christians and a lot of the Ethiopians saying well we've been Christian for over a thousand years so we're good we

don't really need it but what happened was the king of Ethiopia so saying is actually embraced Roman Catholic religion as the dominant religion of Ethiopia and that lasted for a few minutes because most of the Ethiopians rejected that because again they had their own basalt which is not new this is an ancient term this is an ancient form of Christianity that Preceded Roman Catholic Christianity and they revolted and said no we don't want this we don't want this European look at the words that she uses and actually it was a it was a woman a

monastic figure named were lot two Petros who actually defied her not only her King but also defied her husband who went along with the king and then she was chased out of her home but she led a monastic movement and ended up galvanizing the Ethiopian people and resisted and rejected European Catholicism and the the son of sustain us facilities actually returned Ethiopia back to its original Christianity to its rot and this is this is a that's where the point where this text comes in where it's a celebration the expulsion of European Christianity and the and

this is a picture of her monastery and actually the the the the the analogy that she uses in this text is talking about the freedom you know as Birds like the of the African Christians now have from European Christianity she says blessed be our Lord God who did not deliver us into the treacherous net of the Europeans indeed our souls fled like birds from a hunting net now the net has been torn asunder and we are safe and so this is the this is the I'm gonna just this is the spirit that has been among

African people specifically the basalt spirit of African people from the beginning that continued into the United States where we have one of the largest slave rebellions in South Carolina the Stono rebellion where African slaves in South Carolina fought against white slave owners and they were actually Christians they were not Raleigh from and had been even before they came over in slavery and fought against this and and then you have a you know examples like Phyllis Wheatley who in her poetry and her public address to the Earl of Dartmouth is renouncing slavery and European Christianity same

thing with oleic we a know who also talks very vehemently against the you know kind of the how the liberal devised liberal things but by liberal things that how they shall stand they can they can say with pious Jobe did not I weep for him that he that was in trouble was not my soul grieve for the poor Frederick Douglass one of my favorite quotes that really exemplifies again how from the very beginning just like well Lots of Pedro's and just like Shenouda and just like Daniel of skaters back on the continent even here those

of us that put our faith in Yeshua and those of us that put our faith in the basalt who became now raw we like Frederick Douglass still understood the vast distinction between the oppressive white Christianity of the land and that which had that was being practiced among black people and so notice what he says here he says what I have said respecting and Against religion I mean strictly to apply to the slaveholding religion of this land and with no possible reference to Christianity proper notice Douglass's word that there's a difference between the christianity of this

land and christianity proper again what i'm defending today is is this rock proper for between the christianity of this land and the christianity of Christ I recognize the widest possible Difference so wide that to receive this is this part is powerful that to receive the one as good pure and holy is of necessity to reject the other as bad corrupt and wicked to be the friend of the one is of necessity to be the enemy of the other I love the pure peaceable and impartial Christianity of Christ I therefore hate the corrupt slaveholding women whipping

cradle plundering partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land Indeed I can see no reason but the most deceitful one for calling the religions of this land Christianity so when I'm distinguishing myself today from Christianity and saying that there is a rot tradition among African people it's not a new idea that I thought up today I'm introducing you a word that is 1700 years old and I'm talking to you today about a faith that has brought our people through a mighty long way and will continue to do so time go to the Bar his rebuttal I'm

not quite sure how to her but that because the topic was actually I didn't hear much of on topic and I don't want to go into what I disagree with what I've actually clearly said in other portions we are here to talk about plans or the things that we can actually do in our traditions that will move us forward and so I think it's of critical importance for us to talk about that it's a really important topic because a lot of times all we do is we Argue we don't actually talk about what we have

to do tomorrow other than be upset and have high blood pressure because we were arguing and so it's really important for us to figure out how to move forward together and I think that what I'm trying to say here is I'm hoping that we find ways to move forward together maybe you will not actually come into the tradition maybe I won't return to Christianity but does that mean that our Relationships have to actually be destroyed does it mean that we won't be able to work together because somehow I find other people on the planet working

together even when their traditions are different and it's Africans that are now fighting each other over things that we ought not fight about and so I I really hope that we'll figure out how to do that I truly hope I figure out how to do that I have no enmity for you because you are Followers of the Bible none none I do think that there are some things that we should talk about with regard to how we got it how it was put together who gave it to us what we were doing before I think

those are valid issues for us to discuss and so I know that it's not necessarily something that makes a lot of people comfortable it doesn't even make me comfortable do you think I wanted to actually be on it on a panel that says it's Christianity the white Man's religion with my face on the internet saying oh that must be what he's saying if this is a tough conversation I struggle having it with my own parents the people who birthed me and when I bring to them some of the things that I've brought to you today

they are uncomfortable and I don't that's not my goal I don't want to make my parent why would I make my parents uncomfortable but I once again have to say that if we actually look backward we Can go forward it's not just saying hopeful we even see it in CHEM it we see it in the image of the Kepper the Beatle some of you have probably know it as a scarab but in actuality that wonderful symbol of transformation is an animal that looks backward in order to go forward I think that's another reason why our

chromatic ancestors use that particular image so without going too far into what my brother dr. Bantu has said because it's going to take Us into another discussion of things that we've already discussed I just want to say let's find ways that we are going to be one people again and let's find ways not to to see each other other than the wonderful Africans that we've been even on the continent there are other traditions and that's another part of the conversation that we need to have I'm not talking about other traditions that have been imported forced

on our people and some on other Traditions that existed amongst people that are there and so we have had to figure out how to work together for a long time in ancient Kemet every city had a different temple consecrated to a different deity now they understood they weren't talking about a literal story so that wasn't as difficult for them not to have battles and fights around it that doesn't mean they never did but it means that it was easier for them not to argue Because they never said a Tsar was a literal person they never

said hasta was a literal person they never said her rule was a literal person half of them actually are mal donations of animals and humans no one was saying that those were actually people that existed and so in some ways even though there were different temples that had different practices they were able to find a way to have a seamless mosaic that's what we have to do I want to be able to leave Here and work with you I hope that I have not bruised too many feelings today because I know that Fred especially in

a city like Philadelphia I'm from Harlem but we in Philadelphia all the time my queen I would love this city and we want to be able to come back and and have difficult conversations and fun conversations with you in this space that's the only way we're gonna be able to do more so with that I'm gonna see the rest of the time I don't want to go Into the rest of the conversation that we've already had in some ways to me that would feel like we were rehashing something and I think that we've had a

spirited strong comprehensive conversation there were times that I felt that we could have had more time that's fair but you never have enough time when you're debating it's just that's just how it feels so I want to thank my brother dr. Bantu for coming in here and really Expressing his ideas about the Christianity now I'm gonna don't mean that any risk disrespect I'm still seeing this as a newer tradition but it's a wondrous thing that he's described and I hope that that if you're going to remain in this house you do so with the things

that he's describing because I understand that I cannot do what we cannot do and that's of critical importance so thank you very much for having me a love you Family Christian And Kemetic let's find a way to do more at Temple all right well thank you thank you brother Jabari again I echo what you're saying in the spirit I'm you know I it's not my intention at all to hurt any feelings and I personally have enjoyed and I'm sensing that you have as well the amicable debate and we can disagree without being violently disagreeable and

I think this is a really for all of us as black people you know being being at Nasrallah Christian Kemetic whatever I think this is a great testimony to our community as a whole of what it can look like to have inter-religious intro theological debates without being in you know anybody getting buck with it anybody getting you know anybody you know getting violet or anything like that I just so I thank you so much brother to Bari for having a respectful dialogue with me and again and I sense from you too that it's okay if

we Disagree and we can point those things out and it doesn't and it doesn't I agree with you as well that our disagreements do not preclude any ability to work together I have already and will continue to work with Kemetic brothers and sisters and Hebrew Israelites and five percenters and Muslims and people from all over the kabhi cuz there are some things that are affecting us as black people regardless of what your faith is that we have to Unify and we have to come together on and I completely agree with that and so so I

want to you know with that said you know I do want to I do want to argue a little bit more I got you know this is the rebuttal period but that's okay but that's okay because you know we ain't we mad you know we good like I said we're gonna give you so those phone numbers we gonna chop it up and we're gonna go get coffee cuz uh like I said like I said I personally really enjoy these kind of Conversations so so with that I'll just throw a few more comments out and and

oh and hope to continue the conversation I seriously hope not only that me and the brother bed but that you all will get each other's emails and that you will build I hope relationships are formed out of this event and you will get to know one another and build build relationships cuz it's so good to talk to people who think differently than us and not just be in our echo chambers With people who think the same way we do and so I hope that we continue to do that and and and again have honest dialogue

we're respectful but honest dialogue so the one thing I'll say that I disagree with is the the idea that what was shared in my presentation was not on point again I'll just I'll repeat again that what and then it'll kind of into my final comment I'll repeat that my particular answer to the question of you know Rot or commit who has the answer for black America my answer is what I presented to you because as I said as much as I vow and this might be a window into a lot of Nasrallah we as certainly

myself and what I understand the Scriptures to teach and this is and I don't mean any respect so I've I want to learn more about one another's faith but I I don't know if this is understood on the other side about how we see things but again we follow a God that told us Not to expect worldly success in this world and that we in fact we can expect the opposite when we witness and testify to his kingdom we can actually expect things to not always work out that doesn't mean we don't work for it

that doesn't mean that we don't do do things to try to make community better but we don't expect that it's gonna go our way and my argument was that that that one of the one of the one of the things that I think is so damaging about about Dominant white Christianity and I think this goes back to Constantine is that there is a theology built into it that's actually the opposite that expects that this is our country this is our land we want prayer in the schools we I love praying I prayed to Jesus every

day right but I don't want to force other people to believe in what I believe in right but there is an assumption in European Christianity that's been there since Constantine that we are gonna buy This sign we're gonna conquer and and I don't see that in scriptures I don't I see that our citizenship is in heaven and so so I actually think that's a downside to many much of the white European Christianity that I'm arguing that on the continent from ancient times and also today that that theology has been with us and has seen us

through so that is my answer to the question of why I see this rot as the answer for black people one of the answers one of the Reasons why I think it's the answer for us is that history has shown that it's given us literature it's given us language it's given us language of resistance and it's given us a theology to continue to resist but and also being able to bear under and continue to trust in God through hard times and doesn't have a sense of of I'm actually hoping for or my metric or rubric

for success or that my religious is my religion is efficacious is political or economic or Worldly success in this in this world that's not something we're necessarily expecting even though we work for it and hope for it and understand that it is part of God's kingdom so we don't just say well let's just wait until after life and just deal with this stuff now not at all but it's again understanding that we have to work for justice but knowing that it might not necessarily happen and that is why I answered the way that I did

and that's why I see it That way and that's also why I want to leave with a couple of questions that are that are in my opinion this is a debate so we can even debate about what we're debating or why we're debating about it but but again there was a the comment that this was a rehashing but again the the questions that I want not only my brother but also anybody from the committed community or other communities to continue to answer that I would like To in the rebuttal finally put out that tie into

this argument because part of my argument is that this rot did not come from white people and it's not a copy and so it leads into this and it's because of that that it is the answer one that's that is one reason why it is the answer for us because it's not from the white man because it's not a copy because it has given us a sense of identity and a voice for resistance that is why I'm saying that so the questions I want to leave with that weren't address but you know maybe you didn't

feel like that was on topic which is fine I disagree but one of the questions I put out last time that I was hoping for a response for and still waiting for is how do we see Christianity as the white man's religion when early Egyptian Christians were fighting the Roman Empire and were resisting them that's question number one that I have not heard a good answer to the second and The second question that I would like an answer to is how do we continue to maintain the idea that Christianity came from the Roman Empire when

there was Christianity in the Persian Empire and in India and in China that had nothing to do with the Roman Empire and again the reason why I disagree that that is irrelevant is because of the point that I'm making this is part of our identity that this rod gives you an identity that allows You to be your full self in Christ in the Messiah and that is one of the reasons why I am arguing that this rod that the gospel of Jesus Christ is the answer for us and how it has been the answer for

us for 2,000 years but that's actually not the most important reason that's that's one reason that I've been emphasizing for 20 minutes but the main reason that and I'm not speaking as a historian anymore because that's how I have to approach this because that's What I do but right now I'm just speaking as a Nasrallah I'm just speaking as a follower of Yeshua the main reason that actually I would say trumps everything else I said in this topic why the Biss rod of Yeshua of Nazareth is the real answer not just for black people but

for everybody is he is the only one who can save us from sin and death he is the only one who can save us from ourselves I can't do it we can't do it none of us can do it and Most other religious traditions teach that it's on you that you have to do it and that your deeds will be weighed depending on how good of a life you led and I don't know about y'all but I don't have the ability to live up to God's standards I don't have the ability to be like him

and so it took him taking on flesh and taking my punishment our punishment that all of us deserve whether we're on top in this world or whether we're on the bottom all of us Have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God all of us have offended him and all of us are lost without him and it takes him coming down taking on flesh fully God and fully man bearing my sin punishment then rising again in all power so that I might be also risen again and live an abundant life with him not just

in the life to come but in this life right here and I have not seen that promise to me and I have not seen any Other God be good on that promise other than the Lord Jesus Christ and I can give you all the history all hey I love doing it but at the end of the day all that history stuff I just said really pales in comparison to the power of the fish rod of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit god bless [Applause] and we're gonna now when you raise your hand I'm a point

to you and you ask your question so I'm gonna go battle battle Battle battle first this sister right here everything got me is good he made man he your question my question in your house is you guys are definitely equal who has the final say this is what I'm referring to there is no final saying maybe you think that's messy cuz I can't say why you raising your voice in Baja I don't know I don't get to say that she is my equal and by the way you should know that is dr. Anika Daniels else

as a she might actually be better than me why In it when I was a young husband there were times when uh she would say well listen i'ma handle this part of the finances I'm gonna do this I was like no I'm the man I got to do that and then at the end I would say how come I don't have any money left and I have so much more to do in the month maybe on the sneak Tim now I'm talking to y'all because I'm from Harlem and you from Philly right let me pretend

that she could do it because I said she could do It she never had that problem this sister here can make a dollar out of 15 cents why should I have the final say if she is more talented than me in some areas we have to come to an agreement there is no final saying that is a relationship that is my aunt so that I get that question a lot and I think that people think that it makes it more difficult but actually it makes it easier because now we have to build a stronger relationship

so when she says Something so much I shouldn't have to say everything she needs to say because we've built enough of a relationship then I understand that she is excellent in certain areas and she understands I'm excellent in other areas we are partners and if I had time I'd show you some images because you'll see gigantic images of Kemetic kings and queens sitting on a throne together with their eyes meeting because the commentary is this woman I'm The most powerful man in the world this woman is my equal that's how we do it so before

we go to the next question just I think she was asking not an equality question but a functionality question but but but I must go to the next because I think that's what she was asking yes Oh perfect perfect cool cool cool that's the answer they work together yes no there's no disrespect to that that's no disrespect to that absolutely well Thank you both for your time my question is what are both of your testimonies and experiences that brought you to your face and beliefs now that could be a long answer so just so that

we can get as many questions out brothers I sort of do that one minute each two minutes yeah thank you real question so for me I received the Lord Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior when I was very young when I was like seven eight years old and I was also very much like many of us Inundated with white pictures of Jesus and white and Europeanized expressions of Christianity and worship and ways of doing Church and all these other kind of things that I always felt like did not jell with who I was growing

up on the west side of st. Louis that it didn't when I was being presented with was not did not match my reality and on the flip I didn't see my reality being done in an expressly Christian way right because even in my community I felt like even The churches with people who look like me that people my age and who dressed and looked like I would weren't even welcomed in those places so it was like a double whammy of feeling like me and Christianity can't mix together and I felt like and then it was

through the Holy Spirit revealing through others and through his word like don't cut that's my theme passage that's my testimony passage of do not call unclean what I've called clean that I felt that I had Rejected there was a place where I felt like I had to reject who I was to be a Christian and then the lower told me no that's alive from white supremacist Christianity and even self-hating black Christianity that must be rejected and you have to own who you are and that's really my passion is just to share that with other other

believers and folks as well well I you know our story sounds somewhat similar I was actually a very very serious adherent to The Christian tradition when I was much younger my family is Christian they are still most of them are still Christian and I attended Christian schools I had Christian friends I don't denounce them because my tradition is different now but I think I came to this initially through history I have an Africana Studies degree I started studying the history of our people and I thought what I was reading made a lot of sense and

then the dreams Happened I'll never forget being with that the sister that predates this queen here and I had a dream that a bull was chasing me wherever I was in my house the bull was chasing me and I would say to my mom don't you see the bull she said I don't see a bull my brother I don't see the bull this tradition is for me not necessarily for them that was the message I had to receive of course when I woke up she said you got demons on you baby you got demons on

you I knew that Was wrong so as I continued to read it became clear to me that I was not just being called for history but I was being called for practice and so from there I realized that there were some folks practicing in New York I was in upstate New York the first school I ran down there studied with them for eight years and then I was introduced to that man and that's 20 years ago 20 plus years ago I say with no shortness that that is the Man that has held me stand upright

that his walk is the walk I choose to live and lead and so now that I'm a Kemetic High Priest I have my own initiative them are in the room I'm the equivalent of a pastor too and so we have a very large I'll say ministry so that you can understand what I'm saying and I truly believe that it works in the lives of those people who are part of my tradition and part of my shrine thank You for so these are the order questions I got to here I have one in the back that's

coming this order that order so I'm gonna come here there one two three four five that's where we're going next yeah in regard to the copying statement according to what I'm the question is or what Egyptian text pyramid Shabak or text do you find the birth of Horus being a virgin because the two texts one one argues that Horus was created by Fatah with as a solar deity with the Rest of the deities but the Pyramid Texts I think 156 argues is that he was birthed as a result as a family from her from the

recovered okay I want to make sure we maximize time we want to make sure clear questions yes it's a simple answer I don't have time to actually give you exact passages but you should understand that you will see how rule born without normal natural conception in all of the text that you mentioned so in some instances you might actually Think that there are contradictions but the reason because some of them will also say that he was created by Pattaya correct about that but you have to understand that the Kemetic tradition is not literal so that

in one chapter you can say he's created by Apatow in another chapter you can say he came from his mother without his father that there's no contradiction there you're reading one section and trying to do a gotcha but I'm gonna tell you that what What you'll see in every single one of those texts they mean a cootie Tex that are called in Pyramid Texts the coffin texts or net bong text the radio part heroin gear you will hear him being raised in that way and then also in other stelae you will see that you should

look at the Metternich's tell a if you really want if you're really serious to the about this you should take my class on the history of ancient come in and I'll and I'll show it to you Right this young lady question you no disrespect when it came to the question of what's next for black America a lot of us feel like you guys did not put forth actual practical next steps for Kemetic as well as Christianity can you both do that briefly like very specific next steps for black America from your respective traditions two minutes

per answer okay okay well I think I did answer it I hope that you don't think That I have a plan to rescue black people I don't and I don't think to come in a community or the Christian community has a plan to rescue black people now let me say to you that there are certainly some good ideas and arguments that are coming forth in both communities my argument to you is that in order for us to address the biggest need we have to know who we are and in order for us to know who

we are we have to go back to literally 40 thousand Years of African history that is what I said because we actually have the Ray I know it feels like we don't have resources that's because we spend money with everybody in our community in fact there are people in my community in Harlem I have seen three generations of folks from China who owned that restaurant once they get good they like I'm good I'll pass it on they are making Bank in our neighborhoods we have the resources it's not about how we get Resources is about

how we use our understanding of ourselves to use those resources [Music] [Music] thank you brother we're gonna come here right here to this brother determined by the adamant I have a question I'm from Brooklyn New York and we have many different people and many different things the Jewish community the Islamic community I was involved in a church of Twenty-two years st. Paul community Baptist Church in Brooklyn with Reverend dr. January Youngblood we built 4,000 near Maya homes my question is what has happened to the black church in its ability to pool their resources free in

the early 1900's it was the black church with Garvey that built about communities it's a fact that black churches still get more money in Contribution than banks it's nice to wait for the by-and-by but Where we live justification is running away like a rabid wolf and all I'm asking is can you all speak to your colleagues about duplicating what other churches have done people like jerem right you're right and walk in Chicago and several other places because our people are suffering thank you so thank you brother before they answer that question I just want to

let you know I'm burning like fire with every comment in question because I want to talk so bad But I'm trying to be the moderator so y'all pray for me right now because I'm burning burning burning so we need to do these things I'm gonna say this really quickly I want to say that the direction he takes in saying that we should not measure our traditions by what we get would be healing for what I see going on in mostly the black church but certainly in other traditions as well with people who are asking for

new Learjets Who are fleecing the community while it burns in front of them we're seeing that now I don't want to give you the impression I'm saying that all Christian pastors all Christian churches that that's not what I'm saying please don't please don't misunderstand what I'm saying but I'm saying that we need to now say how do we do rather than because you sitting up there looking nice they expect me to be wearing Prada brother one pastor said in a church in a court Deposition I got it look good for my we're seeing a lot

of it and we have to root it out it wherever it wherever it comes brother Adam years ago I'm trying to squeeze this in ten seconds right quick so my question is for brother Jabari the fact is that the vast majority of modern scholarship when the historicity of Jesus our sharp disagree with me disagreement with you in that the scholars from various worldviews affirm that Jesus was a historical Person they're not a myth and that's based on sources by Tacitus justice Suetonius probably the younger so forth my question is why the claims you made are

popular regurgitation of the debunk cite guys documentary can you provide primary source evidence and scholarship to support your poor the evidence claims that Jesus being merely mythical thanks can I say something first of all I did not even call to you submit on this stage maybe he watching YouTube or Something that wasn't now I do say that Jesus is a myth so he came here watching some letter saying you know what i'ma get him you're gonna be disappointed I don't have time to respond to that brother i'ma tell you Tacitus Josey if there are many

issues with those citations why does a Jew call Jesus to Christ when you look closely at it as they now are able to do it seems like something was erased Eusebius was known as a well known Plagiarize er you have to just understand that when you also see in a tradition that many of the things that are being applied to one person have happened before older in other places and in this new tradition that appropriates the spaces the traditions the symbols you don't have to be a swallow just to know that one when it quacks

it's a duck and so that is really what I need to say I do not have the time to go in this and Extensively understand I have done that on Sanne der weak' so maybe you wanted to chat with me about it when you saw a video we can still chat yeah I did not call Jesus a myth up here of course I implied it it's what I've I've I've not just implied it in other places I have said it I'm just saying that it's not here and if you want me to cover that pastor

you gonna have to bring me back for an hour because I'll go through the sources I hope you didn't think I was Gonna do that in one minute added five minutes just so that we can get into more questions I want to come I believe this brother right here was the next brother than we come here so I have a question for dr. bond sue you spoke about viscera as if it was a different tradition than Christianity so other than your belief what are the tangible differences between what you do and either the Roman Catholic

or the Protestant Reformation knowing that Protestants as Roman Catholics as well the christianity of this land so when I've tried to do in various ways for three hours now is to turn out a course where there is this rot there is like true this rot of Yeshua HaMashiach and then there is Christianity this oppressive thing that are two different things that I've shown how one has been oppressive the other has been liberating one of them has been colonizing and forcing one identity the other has been Embracing one's own language and then even today one of

them has been in support of slavery Jim Crow mass incarceration the other one has been fighting against those things so that's kind of something he gave his answer let's go right here thank you all right now this questions gonna be for both of you all because we know that you know and our greatness you know hold on brother please no videoing right now y'all go take picture real quick but Please no video in your lives all of that just respect that for me go ahead brother I'm sorry everywhere we went we spread knowledge we left

knowledge we didn't try to dominate like the European did you know it was all about leaving knowledge so my question for both of you all what can be done today to embrace each other spiritual ideas without being a sectarian because that's the only way we could each Egypt God each was like the New York of back then everybody came There and shared information how we gonna do that now how we gonna come together hold on to your spiritual belief but not be a sectarian you're allowing me to okay I I think that some of what

we're doing today is hopefully that I hope that we'll we'll have chances where we'll have tough conversations but still remain in love talk about things that we can do together I do think it's hard sometimes when and and for those of you who have Seen my walk in the last two years which has been very difficult I have talked and debated with a lot of groups I think that there are some things that some groups say that I think are make working together difficult if you say that Africans are cursed I don't know how to

recover from that so there's some things that some groups say that are difficult but I think that the wide majority of people are saying things that for the most part are not so diametrically Opposed that we can't work together and so we're gonna have to build those things by actually meeting with each other instead of just saying you're gonna go there and and and I'll go here we have to recognize that we're one community by the way neither of our communities are strong enough that we're living in different places we still live together right we

go to the same stores the children go to the same schools I mean the reality is that now we have to Have a dialogue some of that dialogue will not be comfortable and I'm not saying that we should pretend that those dialogues don't exist but we do have to say well now what you African I'm African you oppressed I'm oppressed now what [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] all right this brother right he had a Question yes this question is for dr. Banton I believe that you believe what you're saying is true one of the things that

we have to do as a people is do our own research in the spirit of being a scholar if you impart it with some new information will you have the courage to go the opposite direction like dr. Reagans or will you still remain and be long and strong is if you impart some new information what would you do [Music] [Music] [Applause] can I get a little bit of that it was but I want to just get a little bit of that it may be easier from someone for someone who is in the kinetic tradition to

hear some of what you said because I don't argue that my the the the great myths of ancient chem it is literal we speak in symbolism and so I'm not going to say to you I my way of truth is hair ruinous or I'm not I'm not going to say That because I ruined saw us are our spiritual symbolism so that to some degree it may be easier for me to sit and talk with people and then than others because the other thing that happens sometimes and I think I heard my brother say this too

sometimes what I hear Christians say is that their way is the only way and that's a really difficult thing folks that's a really difficult thing I mean just historically I mean you know how many people lived on The planet before you are arguing Jesus came it forth in the flesh what happened to them are they sitting in purgatory waiting and they did now they have a car they got a check yes or no and or they go to hell this this is a difficult thing your spiritual tradition is like a map there are many different

ways to get there I am NOT arguing that you must be Kemetic in order to be saved in order to go to heaven in fact in the kinetic tradition it's about what you That's why your heart is weighed and so that that is that is really where I think we should need to go we'll go to system a right here how you doing brother Bantu I wanted to know if you could speak more to the assumption that Christianity perpetuates misogyny and if you could speak more to the Equality of women and worth and value but

distinctions and functions between men and women within the Christian I think we're some of us even inside of the Church disagree is on those particular roles and some of us some of us do believe that there are particular there's a long history of are you representing the Conda case when you're talking about them oh that's one you said Queens okay we're not gonna start this again but I really don't want to let him get away with that answer that is not a sufficient answer we're gonna tap that one up later coming from Ethiopia cush am

i right Well let's not goodbye the Berlin conference lines okay but then if you are that means that your father is ham so what are you doing in your uncle's house are you have you embraced the curse of Canaan to serve in [Music] I'm sorry I'm off on this I'm sorry I have to we will chop it up will chop it up Elka thank you for that thank you that you know let me let me explain why I give the elders room the Bible says do Not rebuke an older man sharply but appeal to him

as a son to a father so I'm appealing to you as a son to a father no matter what faith you are that's the command of Scripture doesn't mean we don't communicate I'm not alright I'm sorry I was talking to which worse did we say this okay we will come here no no actually these super I'm feeling like you want to get in sometimes I gotta talk not today not today respect One two then three we're gonna do that yes what would be your response to Egypt which was an ancient imperialistic power and almost all

the iconography is a display Nubians which by the way almost always displayed as prisoners or primitives in in their art it's a fact what do you do that they almost always proceed Nubia with vile vile cush is how ancient Egyptians describe nuia what do you say to that first first let me say brother vocab Malone we got a lot of Work to do because you've been misled first of all you should understand that for most of the time that kemon existed the place we call Nubia was a group of different peoples it was not listen

you're talking and not listening I'm teaching now you need to be taught based on what you just said honestly with no disrespect so that there were there were groups large groups of people that were not one nation for most of the time that Kemet was in power there were times that Kemet would have disagreements with one group and work with other groups sometimes when the Tom who when the European shows you these images there for example show you very often if we had more time I'd show it to you the image of two Tonka men

on one of his boxes and he's actually on a chariot killing people that you would think are Nubian and they just show you that but brother I have been to the museums and I've seen the box with my own eyes the Other side there Nubians behind him fighting with him they don't show you that section because they want you to believe that the Kemetic people are not you that is the challenge now you have to understand that Kemet was not which on what 3,000 years Kemet was not always imperialistic Kemet became imperialistic after the Hyksos

uh-oh some of you know what I'm saying after the Hyksos come forward the heck Yasu those people that maybe the proto Hebrews come and take control of their land they say never again that's when they become imperialistic so you have to understand all 3000 years you watch the documentary that's nice you didn't read that and and guess what if you look by the way I've read the dissertation as well he talks about which period he's talking about he doesn't talk about all of them so what you have to do is have a better understanding to

make those comments by the way in terms of being Wretched the Kemetic people believed that there were nine groups of people that they had to be able to fight in order to be in control some of them were newbie there was more than one new being grew because they disagreed what some and worked with others the Magi for example worked with the Kemet with kinetic people for a long time they were the police got you so please don't complete that yeah we got them by the way Nubia is a new word got You you just

you just smash 4,000 years here just to kind of revisit the misogyny question are there particular verses in the New Testament that shape how you as a Christian value your wife or other women that you encounter what verses would would help you help you got it thank you brother [Music] thank you thank you we're gonna come here to discuss gonna be the last Question we won't give one another time to bus it up a little bit afterwards can I say one thing it's gonna be ten seconds it's gonna be ten seconds ten seconds I want

to say that as we talk about misogyny I was the one that brought that up some of you are trying to give him extra swipes at that ball come in there I really think that it's an issue that we have to address in a lot of communities because our sisters are critical and important to us moving Forward thank you brother we want to come here cuz we gotta shut it now we got to shut it down my team is hitting me so we're gonna bring Chris up but we're gonna go ahead and ask his last

question then we got to shut it down my question is for brother Jabari who is the God that you all worship or you your scribe - that's a good question that I get sometimes for folks who are really genuinely trying to understand what we do but may not Understand everything sometimes you've been told that we are for example polytheists we would not describe our tradition that way African traditions most African traditions all that I have found actually argue that the divine force is all things how do you describe something that is everything if the ceiling

was the floor on the floor of the ceiling what would you call it and so they don't spend a lot of time talking about the one divine force they Talk about how the force behaves in different instances it's a it's a coalescent of vine energy that allows you to do certain things now having said that that means that I may call in a multiplicity of names I am a priest of the shrine of my aunt so that is that is the the the shrine that I have consecrated with my queen but I call it before

I got up here I called certain names so I don't see that as like being a different God does That make sense it's a different type of energy I believe that the divine force is not just energy it's also matter but the fact is that when you see these things our inability to see past with our five senses betrays us so that what we do is we think that I am distinct from this table that he is distinct for me and in actuality that is in to some degree an illusion and so this is a

really complex topic but I want you to understand that you could if I'm going Into battle I may call one name by the way kinetic people you see me dressed in red and black what was I doing somebody just said yes see they whispering because they didn't want you to know that I am invoking su tech because I'm going into battle and so that is what see looking them smile innate they know that so there are different names that you can call okay so much brother let's give these brothers a big round of applause for

This conversation that was good now [Applause] Oh excellent real quick I just want to thank some folk it's gonna take please don't dip our because I just wanna thank some folk just it's just like three minutes here I'll sit but just one second just three minutes I want to get them mic to Chris and he's gonna close us out let's thank the King movement for Helping put this on and brother Chris Bashar with all his sports analyzing the fit of sin thank you for fitting us in breath you know you know and um and thank

epiphany fellowship for your investment financially into this my team who all my media folk all of my media for all of my hospitality security that you see and don't see one special person I want to thank his sister Katrina Williams hold up your hand girl she helped she helped do the lion's share of This and all of our team and just want to say thank you all of you for being committed to this last person I got to thank I don't know what my queen is baby you in here anywhere cuz I know she just

been in and out of hospital so her being able to come has been a blessing so um so we I'm glad my I wouldn't be able to do what I do without that woman of God in my life I'm I handed over to brother Chris and he's gonna close us out now I'm just Gonna be quick thank you everybody for coming did everybody have a good time we were worried that for hours they gonna get mad at me make sure if you brought a nice ration it leaves with you yes touch somebody and say get

your trash amen we were worried that for hours was too long but y'all look like y'all ready to stay for a few more but so this was great black people coming together disagreeing but not being disagreeable that's awesome That's awesome people think we can't do that so um I know we got some brothers here from different communities Hebrews and stuff they want next and we can work that out but I had a great time with all of you I believe you with this you might know as pastor said I'm a sports broadcaster used to be

an ESPN now I'm at Fox Sports if you love G this yeshua and you love black people then start watching Fox Sports 1 instead Of ESPN I leave you with that piece [Applause]