Ep:3 || Who Fulfilled The Prophecy Of Isaiah 42 ? || Hamza & Joseph

[Music] [Music] they want to know about Islam we'll give them that they want to know what a Muslim does we'll give them that when they want to hate on our Dean we'll give them that who's the one and only nobody but Allah let me break it down right now for you see down down down is a call to you it's an invitation to change your life calling you to see the truth back In the day I was living a life my response to that as as someone who I think it's what Jonathan was saying before

I think Judaism is a religion that can't be read in isolation you have if you read the Old Testament you believe crazy things if you don't have the it's not clear enough no no cuz we don't make any clear that's what you mean so in Judaism we have the tradition that actually um the Torah can be interpret no it's it's National Interpretation Almost Is defined by the consensus of the rabbis and the Community it's quite it's too long a process to explain a quick few minutes but I understand that you can't read the Old Testament

in in isolation if you do you have like what the Christians have in maybe America where you have like dinosaur museums and all kinds of but here here's the thing is after the final messenger of God there's no need for me to go to uh any previous Scripture after the okay that's working on the assumption that it is the final messenger of God obiously which obviously as Jews we don't you don't believe Jesus do you no no but there's nothing wrong with that just say there's nothing wrong with you believing in Muhammad no no no

no no no there's a difference no CU you really smugly when you said that and I'm not looking smugly what I'm saying is you deny the Quran doesn't surprise me because you Deny Jesus talking about the step because the Quran speaks about Jesus anyway so of course you need to the Quran because you're rejecting Jesus anyway yeah so see here's the difference you reject Jesus yeah the Christians Mock and question you for rejecting Jesus yeah and yet the Christians and Christians do exactly the same thing to Muhammad now the difference between Muslims is we accept

all of the messengers of God but you don't because You believe that those Messengers have been corrupted no no we accept the messengers no what I'm saying is no cuz you kind of climbed up Bond your pedestal and said and you said just just just want to maybe I'm misunder understanding but I I feel that you just climbed up under a pedestal and said look we accept all these Messengers that you reject yeah we accept but you don't you CU what Jews don't the Torah of of Moses as we believe it is not the Torah

That you believe cuz you believe there is a different t that was I assume that was corrupted and the one we have today is corrupted thean you can't talk about the I don't want to disc says down the the sent down the don't quote the Quran it's going to embarrass you again no you don't understand the Quran I don't quote it I don't want to put words in your mouth but I would assume you Think the Torah we have today is I wouldn't assume anything with me to be honest with you okay okay okay most

Muslims I speak to say that that the Tor that I read in synagogue every every week um is corrupted um and I would assume because that's the mainstream Sunny consensus today that that's actually a Corruption of the words yeah so is that a fair something if you TR to say is the T you read today the Tor mentioned in the Quran I would say no Okay and so that's my point so it's all it's very good that you come up and you say that actually we we respect all the prophets but in the reality you

don't you you accept the message of Muhammad yeah that's fa what's the message of Moses the message of Moses we believe um the the over the overriding message of Moses was to create a Utopia on this world to create a perfect this world is basically one of our greatest one of our greatest rabbis one of our Greatest rabbis someone came to him wonder who said if you can convince me in one sentence and what the T it teach me all of the Tor in one sentence I'll convert to Judaism and the rabbi said that treat

others as you wish to be treated the rest of the t's commentary on that theme so Judaism the purpose of the religion is T oh there's quite a lot of um if if if you when you say d are you referring to the Old Testament I'm Referring to the old to be honest with Jews it's more than the old ver so all all of the killing and rapes and butchering and all that business um is he who I sent down man so and the Torah and the gospels okay so go to the Quran go to

the Quran Allah sent down the Torah and the gospels them mammad confirmed them we don't tired he didn't say they' been Twisted we don't you guys are saying a lot 3:34 Muslims believe in what was Revealed chapter 4: 130 says believe in the Quran and the scriptures that came before it that's what the Quran says that's what the Quran says okay show me where the Bible's mentioned it says the Torah show me where the Bible's mentioned it says the Torah and the jewi show me where the old test the Altis is called the Torah no

no course thean ref to what was given to Moses the Torah the Torah was given to Moses the Commandments let me mhammad believes in the Torah and they'll take Quran and they'll take it out they'll take a portion of it and then they'll attach another verse of Quran from somewhere else to it so you read as if it's one verse bogus man first har and ignore the rest for example they make this idea that the Quran mentions a Trinity it says what Allah says about these three and the next verse says these are nothing but

names your forefathers made up right so Allah says you're saying this and this is the reality but what they do in answering Islam they'll just quote that b no I know I know so this is what answering Islam like to do um and I've realiz first of all I thought there was a bit of Integrity there but I realized it's pure dishonesty yeah yeah it's just Ridiculous and the way that it gets regurgitated is half the reason why we come here and do what we do because we're refuting these pathetic arguments now in the park

alhamdulillah that when these pathetic arguments get regurgitated around the world people have mechanisms to deal with them you know how often you know how often we go on to Jews for Judaism to counter Christian arguments that they honestly Subhan Allah when a Christian calls the Old Testament I go for jism and I use that same I go to that same verse they're trying to quote Yeah I'll give you an example this was so funny uh a Christian site tried to use the Old Testament to prove original sin and they quoted this verse the Jews um

I think it was Jew something like that use use the same verse was it them or was it the Unitarian think it was the Jews use the same verse to believe the opposite yeah Same verse what was the can't remember man I remember I remember what he did cuz I went to that verse and it's the same verse they're both using the same verse but different meanings so as a Jew let me ask you you I do believe in Isaiah you the book of Isaiah so who who is 40 the prophet mentioned in 4210 you'll

have to tell read you haven't memorized Isaiah I'm not a scholar what does the verse say where it talked about the one who make the Deserts Rejoice the land of enjoy let me read cont Torah it's the same Torah if it have been changed he no in the Quran stop quoting the Quran like you understand it Jonathan I could whatever like I won't put words in your mouth and you go gain understanding before speaking thank you I have already Jonathan go gain understanding Quran nowhere in the Quran does it say the quran's been the torah's

been changed Nowhere in the Quran is tor's been changed it does say that the Jews used to take Pages read from some not from others so I agree yes in the past Jews have been wrong regarding the way they protrayed the Torah but he didn't say the Torah has been changed he just said they read some parts and neglected others and it that in the book of Jeremiah our own book said we did that as well yes but the Torah which you can find today and At the time of Muhammad is the same one and

that spoken about by Muhammad the earliest Torah you have after Moses I went to you to stop saying anything ear yeah 1,350 years that's a long time is it 1350 years between uh do you know do you know they found the Dead Sea Scrolls the Torah Dead Sea Scrolls 2,000 years old they're exactly the right on they're exactly the same as the find the Tes you find today they haven't been changed They've been changed you see Dey Scrolls Tor say that and these ones are different but no they're exactly the same just because I run

a different website which stud islam.com and I often put my refutes which I have for people on there so it's way easier I don't need to memorize it so I responded this a while ago fantastic what it says is in that same verse it says um verse six it says I am the Lord I called you with righteousness And I will strengthen your hand I formed you and I made you a for for a people's sorry and I made you for a people's Covenant for a light to the Nations now the Torah when it uses

the term Al light to the Nations is actually it's from the Old Testament where it says you should be lighten to the Nations and it's always referring to the Jewish people it's then goes on to talk about them Kadar and rejoicing but it's literally no so so who is the one mentioning 4210 So 40 4210 almost 42 so again so I'll read the whole thing in cont start from 421 don't mind no it's what you were saying before with start from 421 okay 421 okay we're going to be here for a while and I've got

a terrible reading voice what time do we have to okay okay really soon behold my servant I will support him my chosen one it's quite good reading whom my soul desires I have placed my spirit upon Him He Shall prom promate Justice to the Nations he shall Neither cry nor shall he raise his voice and he shall not make his voice heard outside a breaking read he shall not bre interesting sorry I'm point for the m this Isam so let me finish and a flickering flaxon wi he shall not quench the truth shall he execute

neither shall he weaken nor shall he be broken until he establishes Justice in the land and for his instruction um Islands shall long so said God the Lord the creator of the heavens and the one who stretched Them out who spread out the Earth at what Springs from it who gave a soul to the people upon it and a spirit to to those who walk up thereon and now this is the important one for me is I'm just emphasizing am the Lord I called you with righteousness so still talking to the same subject CU using

the word you with righteousness and I will make and I will strengthen your hand your hand and I formed you and I made you for a people's Covenant for a light to the Nation so this is the important part from a Rabin Jewish perspective um to open blind eyes to bring my prisoners out of a dungeon those who sit in darkness out of a prison I am the Lord that is my name and my glory I will not give to another nor my praise to them to sorry nor my praise to the graven images the

forant things behold they have come to pass and the new things I tell before they sprout I will let you hear Sing to the Lord a new song his praise from the End of the Earth those who go down to the Sea and those therein the islands and their inhabits the desert and its City shall raise their voice kadash shall be inhabited with villages The Rock dwellers shall exalt from the mountain peaks and they and they shall shout they shall give Glory which so so which uh which Bible are you using there so this this

is probably um what you've done you've interpreted a word there sah you IGN the word No no no because say so the question we ask is which messenger of God came and made the city of Medina sing is the MOs and if you continue came as a mighty warrior and turn the idolators back in utter shame and he doesn't cry and he doesn't this and he doesn't and a li to the Gentiles minut just go the Hebrew so They've taken that word out yeah no where it says it should say sah and sah is a

m in and they translated it as rock dwellers exactly yeah and what it says basically is that God will send a messenger he'll make the deserts the land where kada inhabits who is kada kada is one of the descendants of is so this is the Arabs so a messenger of God is going to come and make the people who live in the desert rejoice and the people ofah sing with Joy now sah is so the question is this which messenger of God made the desert Rejoice yeah and made the city of Medina sing with joy

and came as a mighty warrior and turned the idolators back in the who cleaned that idolatry from from the holy basically your entire no no no I'm just asking the question who is it yes Christians will claim is Jesus by the way um so so the Jew the Jewish understand Speaking about the the Messiah who's going to come for keep reading keep reading I like no no but can I just can I just finish um whenever it uses the term L unto the Nations it's talking to the Jewish people yeah I mean because it's in

it's in D I think it's D where it says you're a light unto the Nations yeah you will be a light unto the Nations so in Hebrew certain words are used to describe certain things so whenever it says that's usually Referring to or always referring to the Jewish people when it says a light unto the Nations it's always referring to the people because it's confirmed in the the five books of Moses that doesn't change the propy that wouldn't change the the because obviously we believe that the prop came from the Jews as well the Jews

were waiting for him the Jews the Jews used to use uh they used to say to the isn't it they used to say to the pagans wait until our Prophet Comes but the the only the only evidence you have that Jews were waiting for a prophet who is his Prophet let's the point Jewish understanding I believe let me I believe talking about and then explain to me who the Shiloh is as well that'd be lovely who the what is the Shiloh where basically it says yeah it says the the prophet Hood and the Royal septer

shall remain in the House of David until the shoh comes and all the Dominion will be With him who is the Shiloh who's going to come outside of the house of David that would be an interesting one so what verse is that just so I love Muslims know our books better than we it's incredible what ver is that gole your we can do with one at a time I think let me I'll find theot yeah you what time do you have to work I can be flexible with that should We give it 15 minutes is

that right just okay maybe give the best 15 minute in your life cuz like I said all the questions I'm asking you the Christians will claim Isaiah 42 is Jesus they'll also claim the Shiloh is Jesus also and and it's ridiculous why first of all Jesus has no claim to the House of David that's the first point because the two verses they try to claim in Matthew and Luke with genealogy got nothing to do with Mary nothing to do with Mary both Genealogies of Joseph who cares who Joseph genealogy is it's got nothing to do

with Jesus so just to come back to it from the Jewish perspective so I did recheck in my memory was right so there's two opinions in Jewish thought who it's talking about um one is Cyrus the Greg which is the iben Ezra who is one of our greatest Scholars probably equivalent of I cathia um he attributes this verse to be talking about Cyrus and he made the city of Medina Singh he Conquered huge vast areas he did he make the city of Medina singes take anywhere the city it says cah but you're saying that's the

city of Medina where is s s is a mountain in mountain in Medina geographically specific again and when it's linked to the never with so again we have it may be called today but there are those are very very common who are your two claim Cyrus and who else Cyrus and the other one is the Jewish Messiah Who we're waiting for so he's not com yet so he's not come yet yeah okay um and Shiloh so give me the verse let's come under that one no no no you've given you're kind of jumping around we

can do one at a time should we go definitive on Isaiah okay let's let's deal with it so so from this perspective yeah it sets the context in the first verse of who it's talking about cuz it says My Chosen One or yeah in the very in in 421 and then further down it gives Context from a Jewish perspective that this is um lighten to the Nations which is why the most common view is the it's the Messiah and then you have a minority opinion that says actually it's Cyrus which is outside of the the

consensus but you're you're saying who made the well I will say to you on this I be honest when I first read this to me there was a separation for me it looked like 421 to 10 is one messenger and the 4210 onward is another where because Where God say and sing another song meaning there's another messenger another language yeah the so so what I'm saying is and if you look at if you just look at what this messenger did I'm asking you again this Cyrus guy did he if he did it then he did

it he made the deserts Rejoice with his coming he made some place called Cella sing and he uh was a mighty warrior and he defeated the idolators do you accept that the Messiah was is someone anointed by God was the Messiah is someone anointed msia in Hebrew means anointed one I think there's something like 39 instances in the tanak where people are anointed Cyrus is actually an anointed one Cyrus was like just like the RO family today has oil when they're coronated on that's all it means in Hebrew that so would a prophet be also

a so a prophet would have to be Anointed with oil for from the Jewish understanding to have the title mashia Because all it means is Anointed one or leader a leader um so yeah a Jewish leader would have to be anointed just like the royal family here is Anointed it's actually very general term it's a very general term it's misunderstood and for us it's not that's why we like to use you guys but one of the things I one of the things I do find really interesting when having these conversations with Muslims is we started

the conversation by saying Do you believe that the Torah that we have today has been corrupted um and I think you both said yes it has and if I if you didn't say that I apologize cuz that's what you said um for us we can never bring a proof from a corrupted source so for instance if you have a court case and someone's been proven to be a liar someone's been found to be a liar you can't bring them as a witness because they're unreliable so one of the things I find Really interesting I often

get things like but it says in in the in the Song of Solomon so it must be talked about Muhammad M like what people don't understand is like that in Hebrew mahmad is actually my darling animal my pet it's a very common name um it's a common word it just means darling or beloved well no most words if you take any name and translate it it have a meaning like that no no so I was trying to say you Shouldn't basically you yeah exactly see muhammadin why translate the name it's not Muhammad it's not muh

whatever whatever it is why translating it why translate it meaning why translate a name into a meaning it's not a name if you read it in the context now it's anyway is it not it's not announ in the context um just no in the context yes it's describing it's saying my darling my Beloved right yeah lovely right yeah um but most names will translate to something like that isn't it um so like for example Jacob no Jacob what does that translate to you struggled with God yeah and also I thought was deceiver was it no

he struggled with God us tells you he struggled with God he wrestled with God one night and he now I name you Jacob think no no no no what I'm saying what I'm saying is the name Meaning isn't it what in that instance so for example if you translated not a name not a name no okay look um Jacob wrestled with God is what does that mean Isaac do mean so if you translate know what I'm saying is if you translate his name it's like one who laughed or laughed or something like that so if

you if you translate names you're never going to get names yeah but he's he's not he's saying it's not a name not name he said No he just asked the question that word is not a name he asked question just just just that that actual verse is talking about God it's a love poem to God so if you actually do say that this word here is you're bordering on idolatry it's it's getting a little problematic are you describing Muhammad Divine but what I wanted to say with that is I shouldn't have brought up attention what

I was trying to why I was bringing that up was if I believe That the Torah had been corrupted it's absolutely bizarre then to try and bring a proof of my own beliefs from what I believe to be a corrupted Source it's one of the things I never understood with like the people who really engaged so what you're saying is basically a Christian who deals with a Muslim shouldn't use the Quran no no I'm saying a Muslim who deals with a Muslim who deals with Jews and a Muslim who deals with Christians should use the

Tor okay first thing first thing I didn't use the Tor I ask you understand okay but okay but I'm saying and second and I gave my answer and you said no no I didn't I misunderstood no I I apologize what did I say okay listen carefully okay something's corrupted doesn't mean it's all corrupted some of it's corrupted okay how would you know what's corrupted or not we need a mechanism to test it isn't it so we as Muslims we have the Criterion the Quran To test the previous Revelation to see what what is corupted and

what isn't yeah so it says something it go what the Quran teaches the Quran is the Authority for us Muslims so we can use your book if the Quran says for example in your book you'll find such and such a thing we have no issues in looking in your book to find such and such a thing but I'm asking you because you do read this book and because you're a Jew and you're not a Christian like I said to you if I Ask a Christian who is the prophet of Isaiah 42:10 they'll say Jesus without

batting an eyelid without ever reading the verse right now you have come up with Cyrus is it so I said the ru I believe said it was no the redu said it was the Messiah and the ezzar says it was Cyrus yeah so it's the Messiah who's not yet come from one opinion and the other opinion is right so so I understand so as from a Jewish perspective Isaiah 42 is telling of a Man who's going to come who's going to make the desert Rejoice make a city called C Sing a place called C sing

with joy he's going to defeat he's going to come as a mighty warrior yeah and he's going to turn the idolators back in utter shame with a new mention the num now listen listen now here's the amazing thing Muhammad 10,000 right no forget that Muhammad made the deserts Rejoice he made the city of sah which is Medina Sing he came as a mighty warrior and he turned the idolatrous back in utter shame so the four qualities that you're waiting for somebody to come to fulfill have been fulfilled so again again so according to the mainstream

Jewish opinion it's coming from within the Jewish people that's the first issue cuz it uses no no no no forget that go listen is this the same what you were saying with SH you're saying he'll quote Something out of context and you a question about the lights of the Nations yeah yeah let's go defensive on that reference is saying that he will be aik to the Nations so the reference is say just so not sort of talking on it D point and I made for you a people's Covenant for a light to the Nations so

I made for you Covenant so it's saying you as a light for the Nations yeah for a light for the Nations so what what in That makes you think that the person who is going to be this light for Nations is is from within that Nation no because whenever again whenever the T it's referring to a point in the five books of Moses it's actually referring to the term Light of the Nations is talking about the people it's a metonym if you like for the people but what why does it why does that make you

think that the person who's going to be has to be from that nation has to be from that Nation in that particular no no sorry so I'll read the verse out I am the Lord I called you with righteousness and I will strengthen your hand and I formed you and I made for a people's you for a people's Covenant for a light to the Nations so it's actually referencing the Covenant that was already made it was is referencing what going back to the five books of Moses is explicitly stating this is from the Jewish people

does that make sense it it doesn't if I'm hon I Think what he's asking is does the Torah say that Messiah will be Jewish um so absolutely he has to be from the the house of Israel yeah he has to be have you got somewhere there where it says that so so which Messiah are you expecting more than one no so again Judaism Jud Judaism is is a v religion and the main story so if you just follow and the reason for for saying I know that are specific and they talk about from within The

Jewish Community but the house of Jesse are there either you are you expecting only one Messiah or I know there one one Messiah and he will fulfill all of the qualities of these yeah we believe that the Messiah so again so you're waiting for a messiah that you believe coming from the children Isel from the people right right right right and he's going to make the deserts Rejoice yeah um so if this verse we're talking about is talking About the Messiah then yes it's no no no what we're saying is whoever this person is who's

coming yeah whoever it is he's going to make the deserts Rejoice make the city of cell sing no no the the a place called C place called cah sing yeah he's going to come as a mighty warrior and he's going to turn the idolatrous back in at a shame yes yeah these are the four qualities let me these are the four qualities so we now have to ask ourselves has this person Come yet or not now you're saying no he hasn't he's he's coming later yeah yeah who's going to make Medina sing sah sing now

I'm going to go definitive on sah cah is a mountain in Medina and because of the association with the land of kada which is the Arabian Deserts yeah we know now whoever this thing the seller is referring to is the seller in Medina now when the prophet Muhammad sallam entered Medina on Hijra the people were singing second second so now we have a Man who has fulfilled the criteria unless unless unless unless you're claiming come on second unless you're claiming he has to be Jewish all right no no no you're wrong you're wrong can I

clarify something did Muhammad make the okay first of all first of all what am I what am I say you're wrong Jonathan Jonathan please Focus all right am what am I saying just then and what about what I said was wrong so I'm going to say it again so you're going to say I'm Wrong wa wait wait wait wait wait wait this my claim Muhammad he made the desert second um Joseph he made the deserts Rejoice he made a place called Cella sing with joy have you been wa Jonathan Jonathan Jonathan Jonathan Jonathan Jonathan can

you relax please I've heard you say Jonathan Jonathan can you relax no no no no no no no you said I was wrong so first of all I'm going to no no Jonathan I'm going definitive on what I said and Then no no no I'm going definitive on what I said and then you can tell me which portion of what I said was wrong you can't just say I'm wrong when you telling me what I'm wrong about so I'm going to say it again Jonathan Jonathan all right I'm going to say it again to you

no you're interrupting I'm going to say it again to you are you listening I heard it each time you said what did I what did I say you said you said there's four things what are they what are they What are they I said there isn't there isn't four there isn't wait on it says the Messiah will bring World Peace are you saying the last 1400 years the Messiah so mes mhammad did not bring World Peace he's not the Messiah are you the arul dodg number two there's got nothing to what I said yes I

know that's what you said that four things no I didn't said don't misquote me Jonathan you want To quote me don't misquote me I'll tell exactly what I said I said it are you listening I'll say it to you in Isaiah 42:10 it speaks of a prophet who will come and it speaks of four qualities he will do First Quality deserts will rejoice in his coming second quality a place called Cella will sing for Joy third quality he will be a Mighty Warrior fourth quality he will turn the idolist back in utter shame my claim

Muhammad sallam made the deserts Rejoice The called is a place called is a mountain in Medina yeah which which historically sang with joy on his hij when he migrated from meca to Medina okay with and he was a mighty warrior and he did destroy the idol Idols so he fulfilled this criteria now what I've just said to you which part of that is wrong okay are you going to listen to me with Interruption I'm waiting now as far as I understand it we will be talking about the Messiah no I didn't mention The Messiah see

look just completely ignore what I said did I mention Messiah we've been talking about the Messi did I mention Messiah yes we've been talking about the Messiah I didn't mention Messiah so you can't say I'm wrong cuz I mentioned Messiah when I didn't mention Messiah Jonathan please Focus have we been talking about the Messiah no no I we did not mention we did not mention messiah in Isaiah 42:10 you you what you said no no no what you said here's what You got confused Alex no no no here's what you got confused here's what you

got confused when Alex said who is this person Joseph did his research he says well according to Jewish teachings he quoted two who did you callot dark Andra all right one claim it Cyrus some whoever he was so my question is if it is this Cyrus did he do those four things did he make the desert Rejoice did he make the Medina sing place any place called sah sing did he come as a Mighty warrior and did he destroy the idols I don't know I don't know this guy I've never heard of him right if

he did then you have a contest you can contest what I'm saying this misunderstanding mising one second one second one second one second jonan Jonathan Focus one second right and the second thing he said if it's not this guy this was who said that I Ezra said that and what other onez said Cyrus and Said one second say sorry rad R rad not just R radak said that this is talking about the Messiah who's yet to come right you he said Messiah no I didn't he said it yes so I was there misunderstanding here I

know why you need to focus let's be nice with each other if there's a misunderstanding it's good to sort I have been under the impression that we also no no no no no no no no no no right right at this point in time I'm Not mentioning Messiah yes well I didn't know that you basically all I was asking all I was asking in Isaiah 4210 who is this person mentioned two claims from Jewish sources one claim is this is Cyrus Cyrus cus Cyrus and the other claim is it's the Messiah yet to come okay

now if the here's my question if the people waiting for they say he's not come yet yet someone has come and fulfilled these four criterias why are you ignoring that person who's fulfilled Those four criterias yeah can I just can I jump in here that's now where where the pool's got mudgy here now is where Joseph saying ah but it's talking Li to the Nations which is Jews so basically means this is just for the Jews Jews Jew Jew Jews that's what he's highlighted so this is what we're contesting right now but then what Imran

is saying does it say that this person has to be Jewish to be Alik to the Jews can I just so hands up that you've heard Of the term confirmation bi I'm sure everyone has CU they all watch YouTube and it's the biggest word in the moment at the moment confirmation bias which basically means you see things that you've already got a bias towards so I literally just spent the last 5 minutes reading the verses cuz one of the worst things I can do is misrepresent Judaism and what you which Bible are you using U

this is just used in the actual Hebrew Bible so that we only have one Hebrew Bible oh really yeah yeah yeah okay you you can read the Hebrew no can you read the Hebrew so read you can understand it I can I can understand what I'm reading yeah no but can you am I fluent no I'm not fluent can I read difference between reading something and for example I could read you uh about um I don't know a book from quantum physics yeah and using the words spelling out the words yeah but I could probably

could tell you What they meant so I in this and that's in English so in this verse I can tell you what the words mean um so go give me example um shiru means singing It's they sing to the Lord sh kadash a new song um so yeah I can read what does that mean um it's it's what does sing a new song mean um so Shia means sing so it just means sing What song and kadash means new um so it could be any song um another langu obviously could it be another language um

no uh or it could be Another language no why not I mean it could be anything it it could be another language could so it could be in another language but it doesn't mean it could do in opin yes in his opinion with a no no no listen with with regard what he just said yeah I've got no uh opinion I don't know what he's talking about he's quoting Hebrew here man so I'm asking him what he understand now he said to me it could mean what did when he said a New song I said

what could that mean he said it could mean anything so if you said to me it could mean anything then according from what from what he's just said it could mean another language it's using poetic language is full of poetic language I'm saying you kind of s me from the point if you ask me can I read Hebrew I replied yes but what I was trying to get to was confirmation bias so what you do when Muslims and Christians read read The T they're constantly looking for reference to confirm their own faith which is fine

we all agree that's what people are doing you said that the with the great with the greatest respect with the greatest respect no no no no no with the greatest respect I don't need to pick up a Bible Old Testament a new testament a Torah anything to be a Muslim alhamdulillah I don't need what you have but you just said two seconds no but you're saying Quran tells me how To judge whether tell me song I'm not you so here the thing listen list no no no this needs to go in Joseph I don't need

to validate my belief with what you have alhamdulillah so don't think I need to look there to find things to support all I was saying that's fine the Old Testament that M off I'm happy for you but what you're saying is that this verse here you are looking for a proof otherwise we wouldn't have spent the last 30 minutes arguing you're trying to Convince me with my book to become muslim okay first thing I'm not trying to convince you of anything all I simply why are we having this debate for minutes should I should I

tell you why it's too late okay where have I tried to force my opinion on you I never said Force you never said so what am I doing all I've done all I've done all I've done is this because you what was uh intriguing about this conversation because I don't really speak to Jews in This way all right I'm not I know we spoke in the past here and there I we spoke on Facebook here and there okay but I don't really do this now whenever I speak to a Christian about these matters they say

Jesus is Isaiah 42:10 Jesus is the Shiloh Jesus is Deuteronomy 18:18 Jesus Jesus Jesus all right okay so what intrigued me is where they can fit Jesus in because they believe in Jesus and I trying to understand as a Jew what you do in that situation okay So fine fine so then I I said we did what and then you said the I just listen to you I I said the Jewish understanding talking aboutus or the Messiah and then you tried to convince me that it's Muhammad no I didn't it's terrifying no I didn't you

said who else is it talking about what I said what I said is this if you say to me sorry I'm really confused I literally just been arguing with myself so he gave you what he said was that how do those people that you've Said this possibly could be from your understanding from the history of from Ezra you said that this is what he said can I just ask a really straight question are you trying to convince me or not convince me that this verse is talking about mam we're checking to see how how those

people that You' quoted fulfill the criteria okay great and this is where I was going to go in that same verse there are a number of things that have been missed out from this Conversation yeah because what what people do when they look for confirmation bias they look for the things that they already agree with and so you believe that sah is Mecca or medina sorry you believe Med it's Medina or me Medina Medina you accepted it or not um no no you don't where do you believe it is so most of the places we

don't even know where Sinai is most of the places outside of Israel we've lost the meaning of where a mountain called C In Med there's many there's many mountains around the world called C where so I'm sure if I go on the internet I'll find minut It's associated with the land of kar so again it you make the connection it's quite it's quite specific geographically what he's talking we never F out what do you that what was that quote from Isaiah those four things you said yes read 4210 onwards can I just can I just

get back to what I was saying basically verse 10 Starts with sing to the Lord the new song his praise from the end of the Earth those who go down sea PR the end of the Earth it means the entire world alhamdulillah um those who go down to the Sea the Jews preach to the whole world we're supposed to yeah means yeah we're supposed to Jud no not proing to Judaism to believe in God to oh not to become Jews believe God there's hope for you you can Take theing Infant School mate I'm in University

don't worry really like with 3,500 years you're only 4 I you're INF I'm in University you're stuck in inant school mate you're stuck in your year anyway we moved on banging aside chest banging aside it's the goes on to say his praise from the end of the Earth those who go down to the Sea and those there in the islands and their inhabitants so that's The first verse which say that's the context it's talking about Seas it's talking about islands and what you understandably so you don't F you focus on one bit which you think

you can make to mean language cuz it says Sing a new song so maybe that could mean language the verses in between that you skip over you gloss over and then you jump into the part which you believe that reinforces that it's about Muhammad yeah which is the can I can I say this to you Again please I'm asking you I'm not making a claim here my original question I answered I answered 30 minutes ago you the Jewish understand Cyrus right right right so what I'm going to do now from that answer I want to

go find out who Cyrus was and did he fulfill what he should be doing okay talking about Cyrus the Great you could Google what his impact was on on the place called sah and that's basic we'll just look at what he no no no did he claim to be a Messenger of god let's link it to that first it's not saying he's claiming to be a messenger of God why does say the word messenger sorry where does it say the word messenger so you're saying God's not sending this person so where does it say is

God sending this person or not where does it say send so in Judaism the idea of Prophecy is very we don't have Messengers we don't have we don't have Messengers that were sent that's Islam hang on i' say here i' say Yes Moses wasn't Moses was a prophecy he had a prophecy who told you to worship one God hang on who give you that message who gave you that message who gave you that message I is there a difference between in Islam in Islam in Islam in Islam is told you about the Garden of Eden

is there a difference between a prophet and a messenger is there a difference between messenger listen what you're talking About it's very important because you're using is God sending that person or not does God send people can I can I answer can I answer no all right can I answer regarding Cyrus yes it's prophesy it was prophesied when the Jews were taken to I try question know tell tell when the Jews were taken to Exile do you want to hear the the answer do hear the answer je be reason so he's wrong is your mate

be reason my Mong you just Said you said cus I said according to the rxan Kingz says it's him says it is how did IB Ezra come to the conclusion that this non-jewish person could have been the person in this if you said actually know has to be CH so again that's why the redu says otherwise it's because how did he come to that about how did Ezra come to because that was the was he a great scholar Abra he was a great SCH he must have had some Bit profound knowledge that's useful what it

would mean is the possibility that this person can be non it's a viable but the mainstream opinion isn't with you just brought two opinions because they two opinions well no but the other opinion is we don't he's not come yet it's not great opinion either but listen listen ham by by by that definition sing to to the Lord in new pra is praise from the end of the Earth Those who go down to the Seas and those so it's literally saying everybody will be a monotheist but that's not happen Muhammad muham make everyone quter in

the planet still going no no no but it's really it's really really important because it's saying for this person I think there's Anan in every country of the world today I would say so Moses was not aing Switzerland no in Switzerland is it Can I just give you that one let me let me tell you about I want to tell about switzland very quickly cuz it's a nice little story all right there was a guy called Daniel strike Daniel strike you listening very quickly we're going to go pray anyway Daniel strike from the Swiss people's

party which is like the Swiss version of the BMP and he was the one who created this uh mandate to ban minettes on mosques in Switzerland so this is this is what this Is what he did his party bit like gilders in uh Holland all right so what happened was he went in the Quran to find more things to use to attack Islam with yeah and Subhan Allah he embraced Islam all right Dani strike listen but listen listen listen now and then what happened was a referendum went through and they did ban them in a

r so it's this got anything to do with what we're talking about right back this is no because this is where You brought this funny quick that there's noan in switzland where you're completely wrong you said everywhere in the world so I just asked no no you you acted a bit funny oh there's none in Switz I thought i' just throw that back to you and I thought back not just throw it back to you I thought slap it back to you complete opposite of okay um all I was trying to say with that is

when I was talking about confirmation bias before is we look for Things that confirm our own beliefs yeah yeah you guys both Muslim you believe that the Torah according to the Quran prophesizes the coming of Muhammad yeah so when you read a verse if you can interpret it in an Islamic way you're going to because would I would agree with I said if it's if it's reasonable from the verse no so so what I'm saying is that verse if you would just read it abstract meaning there's a simple meaning the straight meaning it says for

It to be the true person the entire world is effectively the language it's using is going to be monotheist now that isn't the case today and we're 14400 years say that where does it say that what it says is the Praises will the Praises people will be praising God all over the world doesn't mean everyone will be singing the Praises so you could have you go to any told the world today there'll be going somewhere someone will be pring today somewhere in the World going like I was shocked when he saying that Moses was minger

don't is an Arabic is an Islamic concept we have prophets and you have different degrees what the differ between messenger and Prophet we don't have a messenger and Prophet we just have proph Prophet a prophet so a prophet um they different degre so you have people like King David who had a very low it's almost like divine inspiration when they right who's the sh so you never got back To that either he was asking a question and you stopped him asking the question he was clarifying about prophecy different prophets no no no I'm not going

to message of prophet what you asked him no no no no what did I say what did I say about it I said to him he said what's the difference I said to you sending in this verse so in judet Propet is this one mentioned in is he a prophet ideaa of Prophecy in JM Prophet after Islam a prophet is chosen any Prophet Moses can I just can I answer you a question you ask me a question tell about Islam stop telling me about Islam talking about jism if you ask me a question let me

answer in my own way please you're telling me about Islam why are you interested in my answer on your Joseph Joseph Joseph what youing are you interested in my answer Joseph I am I'm thoroughly Interest here's the thing here's the thing no here's the thing you're jumping on something here all right cuz I said messenger and you're trying to make this big deal about this Messer explain all I asked I just answer my simple question please I said this is what I said again and you jumped all over this I said to you the one

mentioned in Isaiah 42:10 is God going to send him so again and again does God send prophets so again let me answer Qui please let me please let me Answer in Judaism the concept of Prophecy isn't something where God picks a person and sends them a message prophecy is something that an individual works up to there's a guide called there's a book called morim by the rambam have you heard of my Mones where he talks people through the Jewish idea of Prophecy I really recommend reading it because it explains it but basically an individual Works

them way the way up to a certain level so mus ibraim they Were on a very high spiritual level they found they monotheism by themselves they worked on themselves and they received prophecy once achieving a certain level of wisdom or intellect and this is the Jewish understanding of Prophecy so when is when did I say prophecy you said messenger I didn't that doesn't necessarily call you said messenger why talking about I tell you what I said Joseph Joseph I tell you what I said I said the one mentioned in 4210 did God Send him and

I said the idea of sending a messenger is an Islamic idea who sent mesing the Torah though I'm asking I'm just asking is the person spoken about in Isaiah 4210 is he sent by God or notet that's all I'm asking and he's saying we don't have Messengers and he's J into some previous argument he's had with a Muslim about prophets and Messengers it's certainly not in the same way all I'm asking is very very simple because if if the one mentioned In Isaiah 4210 is sent by God then it's not cus very very simple but

you should be bothered because God is talking about I believe in thank you for pointing out that bit about clarifying about clear verses I'll have to I'll have to R what did I say about answering Islam what did I say about answering Islam No no no what I said to you is very simple they cut off the verses don't believe in that they'll Just say the one part the Quran is clear but they don't forget the second part to be honest with you I'm going to use that now when Quran next time I see them

anyway right I'll repeat my question just so you understand it the one mentioned in Isaiah 42:10 is it a prophet of God or not wouldn't mention is it a prophet or is it a prophet of God or not so again it depends what you mean by Prophet how your understanding of it do I believe there's going to be a New set of laws people no absolutely how did Haron bring a new set of laws to the people um har was har waset he had prophecy but we don't believe he a prophet made a Propet no

he didn't have so again of a Propet exactly the definition of a prophet we have we have something called Novi and the sad is that the same word Arab but but but the difference is is that we have certain people that are called na for example We so for example David was David not called a so no he had Divine Providence he I think was many's he the many rightous people are not called Novi even though they were even though they were great people and you might call them a messenger not messenger but but in

Judaism we wouldn't we wouldn't use that word it's just a misunderstanding in terminology that's all I agree I agree saying question this Isai is that person mentioned there a prophet of God sent by God Godly person or what well that depends on your definition so what is what is your understanding of I mean I hav certain people are that's what they're called and certain people are not CU that's what they're not it's a sent by God is a sent by God yeah of course a prophet sent by God would a pagan King be sent by

God was Cyrus a Pagan he worship idols he wasn't Jewish no did he worship Idol I'm not sure I don't know Jewish he wasn't Jewish no I didn't say that did I I said Persian because this person in going to destroy idolatry so the likelihood is whoever this person is is mon give example why okay there is a what's his name B was balam the one who uh so the story the story is that Basically um he was considered a Novi because he had some sort of communication with God right that doesn't mean that he

was a good person right I mean it's consider it was not considered a good person so so God he changed the yeah we know that we know about that sexual immorality imal so the problem is is you could call a no but a prophet but it doesn't mean that he's a good person so that's that kind of you have to Define what you're saying when You want to say Prophet say person here's the problem you see I'm asking a simple simple questioning in Isaiah 421 I I can't hear two people s relax a second just

relax a second in Isaiah 4 in Isaiah 42:10 God is speaking about someone being sent who's going to do this going to do that going to do this going to do that chos so that says to me does it say sent or just as a servant no it doesn't say sent I don't think it say I think it chosen he says I'm having this conversation chosen are you really I don't know I don't know cuz I read it cuz somebody came out a Muslim guy servant of who servant of who servant of God and why

is he coming cuz God told him to why you arguing about that come I don't get it why you so picky about that I'm not picky I don't mind let's okay you know what let's say he let what I'm going to say what I'm going To say say that it's just that we have terminology all all right call I'm going to say as unambiguous as possible ready I got it I got it I got it I got it is the one mentioned in Isaiah 42:10 a servant of God yes it says so yes it says

so yes was Cyrus a servant of God no yes no you're hang on explain I'm going explain this in the in in the do you want hear the answer you the answer do do you want the answer when The Jews are trusted we Tak to Exile in Babylon then the land was taken over by the Persian me we were told that we've been in exile for 70 years and then we'd be allowed back 70 years later King Cyrus gave his permission to return so we believ that God had ordained it now I don't know whether

Cyrus knew that he was doing God's work but God did work through him did Cyrus did Cyrus worship idols I don't know doesn't say so do you accept do you accept if Cyrus was an Idolator no I don't know if he no no I didn't say that did I you know the word did if sorry if if well kind it could mean two ways if means in the event of in the event of all right let in the event of okay so in the event of yeah Cyrus was in fact an idolator then he cannot

be the one mentioned here because the one mentioned here is going to destroy Idol yes I would that would make sense has given the Op according to it doesn't have to be Jewish wasn't Jewish so I just feel like this has been the most futile brilliant brilliant love love no one's listen to anybody don't worry don't worry when you watch on YouTube You'll see how beautiful it was but you mean after you edited to make it to make it less okay Joseph we don't edit nothing mate so you're going to put this one and a

half Hour bang we might split it into two parts list we might split it into two parts the subject kind of changed halfway so we we got wife beating as one part and then the section part will be Isaiah 4210 who is you know just as can I say something you did did say that you're going to use I'm going to I'm going to take your question you did say you're going to use me cutting bits off things like that or something like that use me As an example of cutting bits off creating something no

no no no no no what I said to you no no no I didn't say that why did I say that well I that's what I thought are you listening to this conversation well I look I'm just saying that's what I thought if you stop stop hearing these things man I'm not saying these things relax right I'm straight As you get me yeah none of okay listen listen listen know that nothing's edited we don't cut anything out what will Happen sometimes is that the conversation will switch subject so because we only come here 5 weeks

every 5 weeks yeah so what we do because our subscribers about like 21,000 subscribers they're hungry for our videos so what we have to do is because we can't we only do two videos today this one's probably one and a half hours so we'll probably put one video up about um wife beating for example that'll be episode one in this conversation and It'll fade out and then it'll F back in the episode to but nothing is REM out at the at the middle point so like that nothing will be missed nothing will be missed the

second part will probably start with with a little bit of the first part as well he's very very good at our editor in that sense but we don't we listen we've got no interest here in can I ask you a genu just one second just one second he's going to ask one question second but here's the thing you Let's just say we did edit it yeah we we don't that didn't sound good yeah do you know how many cameras are flipping recording here yeah yeah no the only reason I you're going to edit cuz I

think it's going to be the most my numbing video like do you know how do you know how do you know how wor I can promise you no one will watch it here's the thing the amount of times I've had conversations in this part Right and there have been the craziest conversations and I'm thinking what's the point in that when we watch it man oh it's profound alhamdulillah so many points get made points came up in the points you've missed you'll see oh my God didn't think about that you know why because you can reflect

on these points of what we said for example my man here Jonathan is honest enough to admit the verse he used about the Quran being clear he didn't realize there was a Second part to it which is fair I yes and he's acknowledged that and he even thanked me that it wasn't me shown him someone else I didn't know was yeah yeah yeah yeah there are so many bits in Brackets it's so confusing to I genu can I can I recommend the Quran to you then can I recommend the Quran with no brackets maduk pixol

you love it why why will you love it because he was an author before he embraced Islam Englishman all right embraced Islam he Was an author They begged him to do a version of the Quran he didn't like the way that other um um translators of the Quran would put things in Brackets and what they would do they would give their interpretation of the meaning in the actual words there go pixel all right all right this from profound question though man he's been building up to this it's not a big question his question quickly what

I to all right Joseph it's been a pleasure Jonathan as always our PG we say there's no God but all and this his final messenger the ones on the know it's a sacrifice but it's a small price to pay for all the rewards we'll get from my love in they want to know about Islam we give them they want to know what a Muslim does we give them when they want to hate on our de we give them who's the one and Only nobody but Lord