this is the jonco underground podcast number 90 sitting here with Echo Charles EC yes Echo Charlie I got some I got a little something just a little just a little something that'll help out you ever notice there's something like sometimes you can just catch a little something it'll help you out a lot maybe in jiujitsu you learn like a little a little a little something it'll help you out oh move your wrist a little bit over here hey put your hips a little bit over here just just a little something but it helps you out
a lot yeah this is one of those things uh and it's one of those things that when you hear it you're going to go well how is that it's again it's like Jiu-Jitsu when someone says hey you need to put your weight over here and you're like how is that really help and then you start doing it and you realize it has a big impact yeah this is one of kind of one of those things something will help you out with leadership it'll help you out with life it'll help you with interacting with other human
beings here's what it is uh drum roll drum roll please there's the drum roll imagine it in your head and here's the thing there is more more than one answer to almost every question that's it that's one of those things you just heard it you think oh well how's that how's that really make an impact on the world let me tell you if you can import that and implant that into your brain it is a very good way to free your mind and open your mind and therefore have so much more opportunity and flexibility and
waste so much less time it's sort of similar what I was talking about with Dave Burke when I was saying that you don't yeah yeah you don't always have to have an opinion that that same I think we did a I think we did a debrief podcast I was talking about you don't have to have an opinion it's not required that you have an opinion but this idea that there's more than one answer to almost every question it helped me out so much in life and I it's something that I definitely learned in the teams
you know I can TR trace the roots of my thoughts some of them traced to Jiu-Jitsu and then they connect to the teams some started in the teams and they connect to Jiu-Jitsu some of them started in the in the tactics of combat and then they translated to leadership so I can kind of TR trace the roots this one definitely definitely I picked up in the teams and I actually picked it up from a planning perspective like planning a mission cuz when you're planning a mission in the sealed teams good Lord every single person is
a freaking tactical genius in their own mind every single person not every single let me let me rephrase that here's let me make it legit if you have a platoon of 20 guys 16 guys 22 guys whatever your platoon is there's going to be at least onethird of them that absolutely 100% think that they know everything yeah they're going to say you know one of them be attack we definitely need this we need to attack this target from the north period that's how how confident they are period they're saying they will say that like period
and then someone else be negative we need to attack this target from the south period so you get two people that are looking at the same Target and they have opposing opinions and they both 100% think that they're right you got one guy that's saying we need to bring four vehicles this is a we need to bring four vehicles someone else like negative we need six V someone else like no we should only take three and they all know this mhm we should use hilos no no we should definitely not use hilos definitely not that's
what someone will say someone I'll just literally saying we should definitely use hilos for this op someone will say we need six machine Gunners we need not hey we consider but we need someone else will say no we don't need we need we only need four other guys need to be more mobile that's what they're saying mhm stating a fact what they think is a fact so everyone has the answer to every question and what I realized 99% of what they were talking about 99% of what they were talking about didn't matter it actually didn't
matter it didn't matter cuz you know what you're going to get to that Target and it's not going to look the way it looked on the map and you decided yeah we're definitely hit from the north you're going to get there and there's going to be a big obstacle there and you can't hit it from the north or you're going to bring a certain number of vehicles and you're not going to have enough people to Target or you're going to have too many it's like it's all it's all subject to what actually unfolds in the
world so early on I realized you know what there's no 100% right answer so you got people that are freaking out about the dumbest thing and they think they've got the 100% right answer and they they actually also think that every other answer every other possibility every other variable is straight up wrong wrong that's what they're thinking what the the attitude I got into the attitude I adopted was yeah that'll probably work hey that that'll probably work you know like it's a totally foreign attitude in the SEAL Teams to be like that'll probably work you
know because everybody wants to be perfect you know that that probably work no one wants to hear that in fact it kind of sounds weird to say right like we're going to go hit this target I recommend we hit this target from the north it'll probably work no one wants to hear probably so we overemphasize our confidence to make people believe that we know what's up but I got used to that I got used to that you know hey it'll probably work cuz 99% of the time that idea probably would work and it would work
from the north but it would also work from the south it would work from the West it would work from the East doesn't really matter sure could there be some giant channelized area if you come in from the East and everyone's gonna be forced into a small little spot where you could get ambushed and that's not a good idea yes that's definitely possible but you all the other directions look pretty Dam good all probably work and it and you know what it might not be the most perfect it might not be the most efficient but
it'll work and that's fine it's fine especially from a leadership pos position because if you use their idea you're building up that relationship and you're saving time instead of arguing and trying to convince someone you're just like yeah you're ideal primor let's use it but here's the thing this isn't just about the teams that's where I learned it but this if you can kind of do this with everything with ju with ju almost everything almost everything has more than one answer even these crazy whatever political Road you want to go down there's always there's more
than one answer like anybody thinks they can take some super complex uh political decision and think that they have the 100% right answer they're just wrong you don't have the 100% right answer you might have a good answer you'll have Pro you know what you have you'll have one that will probably work yeah you probably work you know it probably not going to work that great you know because nothing in the government is going to work great but you make something it's probably going to work okay well let's go with it let's try it but
let's not put all of our chips on that on that one bet that's not a good idea so if you as a human being can remember that there's more than one answer to almost every question it's going to make your life a lot easier you're going to realize there's more than one way to build a business there's more than one way to save money there's more than one way to reduce expenses there's more than one day way to cook a steak you ever heard these people they tell you there's one way to cook a steak
but I had a lot of different steaks in my day yep and look there's some that are better but there's also some that are equally as good and they're different yeah and I'm not turning them away not I'm not saying hey I don't want to eat that steak take that ribe eye away from me I'm not saying that I've never said that yeah there's more than one way to change the oil of your car there's more than one way oh you'll like these cut weight more than one way to cut weight there's more than one
way to gain strength actually there's more than one way to communicate to other human beings there's more than way one way to learn there's more than one way to grow anything you know they try to do this in the SEAL Teams with um combatives yeah combatives it was like we need to use this system and the whole time that I was advocating for a an evolution in our combatives program what I was saying everyone wanted me to pin down a system the system I wanted to use was having an open mind that's the system I
wanted to use like hey let's let's just continue to evolve and figure out what works and make adjustments as we go because there's not just one answer there's not a [Music] system so keep that in mind there's more than one answer and if you can do that if you can actually recognize that there's more than one solution to problems it is an outstanding way for you to free your mind it'll make everything better that's what I got for today Ecko Charles so it's like and this is going to come as no surprise to you but
I did figure out early on in this speech that yeah it's going to come down to like is that a speech monologue if you monologue Ted Talk solo so and it comes on to your ego right where it's like oh yeah this is my way cuz you bring up like steak like cooking steaks that's a big one right where um and I have a I have a younger brother who's a barbecue guy like he's really good at it actually and but I'll I'll tell you straight up I've witnessed it been a part of his barbecue
scenarios for many years and he's very good at G yeah GTG by far um but he's like no TR trigger grills like anti I'm anti- trigger you know cuz it like goes against the art I guess I don't know he didn't explain why but so I remember thinking like oh because that's his personal approach to barbecuing you know and and Trager might have been a I don't know like it maybe takes away it's like you know when you go digital versus film kind of a thing on the cameras you know the digital crap what people
are offended the digital no matter it capabilities you know who cares about the capabilities it's just wrong it's wrong this is the way my way the film that's the right way um so yeah it can kind of limit you you know if you if you stay dogmatic to your one way totally or whatever and then so if you were to be able to let go of it I could think of like literally 10 scenarios right off the top of my head that I would be doing or one would be doing a lot better in life
if you were to just let it go yeah the idea of what you just said of adapting being able to adapt let's face it look I have a trigger boy I'm down with the triager and I'm not even down cuz I use the trigger you know who's that uses the trigger everyone else in my family cuz I'm not cooking you know what I mean like hey I'm sorry hey I get it your brother's into barbecuing it's a thing right yeah Leif Babin yes sir it's like you know he's going to barbecue whatever like it's Wednesday
he's planning to barbecue on on Saturday that's a he's doing Mission planning you know what I mean going to the store prepping me like I'm not doing any of that that's real I'm getting a can of chicken opening it up putting mayonnaise in there I'm eating it that's what I'm doing you were just telling that takes a minute and 42 seconds and I'm eating and I'm good I'm not going to I don't have the patience for it understand I have the time for it but like my wife she cooks on that triager yeah right my
son Cooks on the trigger good to go BR it's real doing the straight up uh the straight up reverse searing straight up reverse sear it's no joke dude yeah so anyways if you have a closed mind and you think well there's that's not my way is the only way yeah yada yeah so it's in a way and I like the film versus digital and the even the trigger versus you know wood I I don't even I don't know that much about barbecue but Trager is wood it's wood pellets yeah I think it's like there's it
does kind of what what do you call it kind of bypasses a certain part of the process of barbecuing I think maybe the traditional part I I don't know either burning your freaking meat that's what bypasses but it's almost like hey if you were to took take a bird's IV you just be like hey let's say you're good at barbecuing super good at barbecuing super good but you're anti-er you know how how much capability you would have if you could do both if you were both I was into trigger I'm into wood fire I'm into
charcoal I don't know all the different F the TR yeah you know even stove top I do it all cuz hey they all work and I'm good and think of how much you learn you're going to get better at your main uh uh technique yeah if that's like oh I I don't like using that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Joo underground podcast so if you want to continue to listen go to Jo underground.com And subscribe and we're doing this to mitigate our Reliance on external platforms so we are not
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