Rob Lowe Reveals The Last Voice He Wants To Hear Before He Dies | The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

[Music] thank you for doing this oh yeah thank you I'd go anywhere just to listen to your voice oh come on don't make it weird um I gotta I got to tell you something I got a Rob low story I'm only going to tell one because I got the one but I think you'll appreciate it it's two years ago I'm in Tahoe actually I'm on Fallen Leaf Lake have you ever been I know where it is it's right next to the Big lake and it's great I got a buddy with a cabin up there I

get up morning and I take the big walk you know I I walk every morning sometimes sometimes 7 sometimes 10: I'm going all the way around the lake all right so I'm out there I'm about I don't know six miles in I mean deep deep deep in the woods and I got my phone with me and my headphones so I download some podcasts right and I and I let's see who's on Rogan well it was an old when you'd been On there a couple years earlier but I I start listening to you and Joe Rogan

get me through this walk it's great conversation but it gets to the end of it and you start talking about your podcast and I'm like really interested in this because I've he's asking the questions that I would have asked yes for sure it's great about Joe terrific right so I'm really into the conversation and it' been going on for a couple of hours and I look up and I'm on A straightaway it's a path and about 150 ft in front of me is a bear a big bear and he's running toward me as I'm listening

to you talk to Joe Rogan this is amazing so amazing you know that puckering feeling like I I immediately forgot my boy scout training I did not make myself big big I did not make myself noisy I turned and I ran okay and you made yourself wet I made I didn't have to man it was it just happened so I'm running through the woods of Lake Tahoe a bear is chasing me and I'm listening to you okay now you're going to love this I run as fast as I can and I run for maybe 30

seconds and I turn around and the bear is about as far from me as he was when I started running but still just Galloping along I'm like God this is just not good the altitude I'm gasping for breath and you're going on and on about your new podcast because I don't have time to take the earphones out so I come to a little curve in the Path and I I take a hard right and then I get behind a tree and I just stand there still and I'm thinking you know there eyesight's not so good

but I know they can smell anything and is this thing just going to follow me right behind the tree my heart's pounding you're going on and on and I peek behind the tree and the bear just jogs by and I realized he he wasn't really running he was just kind of Galloping right and I realized in that in that moment he he Wasn't chasing me he was just out for a run out just like you just like me just out for a run and I'm just standing there behind the tree listening to you ask Joe

Rogan for advice on your podcast as this bear vanishes in the distance that that's an amaz I I can't imagine that any was on the planet has ever had that experience but you well it gets weirder that night back in the cabin I get a phone call from a guy named arum I don't know if you know Aram but You know some people he knows yes and apparently your son is turning 30 the message says I hate to ask you this Mike but Rob Low's son is having a birthday and he's a big fan of

Deadliest Catch do you think maybe you could send him a little birthday shout out this is the day you've been chased by a bear that night that night so in the in in the span of 12 hours I swear to God I'm listening to you and I didn't seek you out I'm just trying to listen To something on my walk that's right but it's you and then hours later you ask somebody who asks somebody and the next day I'm making a birthday video for your boy and you were the hit of the video you were

the hit the hit of the video that is really some weird Kismet dude I right I feel like now most of the things that happen to me that feel uh apocryphal and like powerful I I never know it when it's happening it's only years later when you Look back and you go well that was weird yeah this was weird in real time in real time it's hard to deny that right you go something is at work here I'm glad that those roads those paths those bare paths led us to this moment you were there for

me man I thank you and you're welcome and you really are welcome thank you um speaking of your boy man I was just we don't really do much prep for this thing but I went on Instagram and bro he's serious isn't he dude funny both of them Both of them explain what's going on on Instagram with your sons because I think it's a terrific model for Fathers and Sons every well look my so it started with my youngest son um not the oldest who had the birthday that's Matthew who's the fisherman right Outdoorsman he's the

Outdoorsman hardcore Outdoorsman and he works in finance right now um so he's got like a real job mhm my young son's got a phony baloney job like me you know In Show buus puts on makeup and acts for a living so but sadly he had John Owen John Owen he had he's quite good he's quite good but he had so much more potential Mike you have to understand he was the youngest intern at the Eli Broad stem cell laboratory at UCF University San Francisco during his high school tenure that got him into Stanford graduated with

Straight A's and then comes out and tells me he wants to be an actor oh my God and I just wanted to kill him and myself forget the tuition that I could have saved yeah he could have gone to Jamba every day and waited by the phone I didn't need to pay a tuition to Stanford to be an actor um but in the inim he would just eviscerate me on social media he's a very funny kid and he would just work me over I would post something that I thought was cool and he would just

come up with some comment just shellacking me And it would make it it would make me laugh because I love a good joke even at my own expense maybe even more so at my own expense what makes it so good is that your boy understands the power of brevity right yes he's not going on he's not telling big Shaggy Dog stories there you should look at this Chuck they're just cutting now in the boy defense so cutting the old man does post some I mean some beefy kinds of pictures use it to lose it bro

I'm 60 years old come on There's a lot of topless stuff if I I in the great irony is I spent 15 years of my career going they just want me to take my shirt off and now you're like and I'm like can I take my shirt off cuz like it ain't going to last forever have you seen that have you seen Matthew MCC on uh I guess it's Letterman talking about oh being direct I I think it was uh I forget the movie but no it's Matt Damon talking about Matthew MCC and how every

moment just uh is an opportunity Oh Mr Soderberg I was thinking maybe about taking be a good time to take our shirts off shirts off I like the way we've turned Matthew mccon into Bill Clinton Jon right all my impersonations are adjacent of the same four people what's your strongest my strong Clinton's pretty good um my Clinton is pretty strong um my Arnold but a lot of people do Arnold yeah but mine I think is the kind of thing where you know everybody is Thinking about that and going like okay it's going to work it's

really going to work s good that's solid yeah we had a time remember I there may have been some beverages involved it was a long time ago but for some reason I I I realized I could kind of sound like Sammy Davis Jr just a little bit more than a little bit if I wanted to man and also you've got the low of mouth going I dig it he digs it hey man I can get in on this too we were I got a great Samy well I you'll be The judge of whether it's great

yeah I mean is it is it as good as the bear story with the boy and the I don't know that's that's so unique I don't I came in hot I set the bar you set the bar I'm going to try to up you with Samy Davis no bear stories from Rob low no no bear stories we have our title I did I started a movie with a with a bear Hotel New Hampshire kinsky in a bear suit that was a stupid idea most beautiful woman in The world put her in a bear suit that'll

work D John Irving yes I mean good for a book not good for a movie bombed so Samy Davis Jr yeah mant it's the 80s um I my agent represents me but also Liza Manelli who you know I mean it's Eliza Manelli and so I'm supposed to go Bernie by any chance it's Michael Black wow I go to dinner with Liza Andrew McCarthy during St elma's fire and I think my girlfriend at the time and we're having dinner at spago of course you are and Right and and at the end of the dinner she goes

let's go back to Samy's and I thought is she talking about Sammy Davis Jr wait what we might go to Sammy Davis JR's house tonight and go and 1980 I'm going say it's 803 okay 1983 and we go it's one of the biggest houses I've ever seen at that point he had it lit like it was um Stog 17 it was there were more flood lights I I don't know what what he was Expecting but there I it was like illuminated in like like like a prison mhm and we went in and he they were

watching a movie and we kind of waited for for for him to come out from watching the movie and then we he says you want to play I do I I'm going to have you do the play Sammy and you say what's he say you say let's shoot some pool kid say that hey kid you want to shoot some pool and I say I'm terrible at pool and you say how good can I be I'm blind in one eye it's it's great I listen to him saying uh obviously the Candyman is is a big but

he the whole album growing up with that kind of sort of uh generational ubiquity right he he was before we came of age and so I always kind of knew of him but I but I never ever sat down and really listened he's one of the greatest singers I just got a vinyl of for my so He had a huge album that came out the year of that I was born in 1964 and I had a friend really thoughtful gift got me all of the albums that one would want to listen to from 1964 oh

that's that's terrific and one of them is Samy's yeah and I haven't read I haven't listen to it yet but based on this I'm I'm going to listen to it this weekend listen to in particular I got to be me it just gets higher and higher but wider and wider he was just such a Master just a little guy and he dance so well and it it it actually drove me listening to that recently life now was a two- screen experience right like every single thing is a portal into something else you hear a story

and you go here and you go there well soon as I heard him saying I got to be me I hop online and apparently he had something to do with the Church of Satan which I didn't know well isn't that something what Google it Google Sammy Davis Church Of Satan now it's the internet so Satan is in the Satan the big S old scratch beel scratch be Satan lieberwitz I yeah are you sure it's not Satan which was like a designer of the time sat sorry satin he loves sattin he liked satin Mike isn't that

what is isn't it Santa why Sammy Davis Jr joined the Church of Satan I know what what was he hoping to get out of that candy man just some candy some candy Old Scratch has really got the sugar when uh when we were Chatting before we were rolling you told me how much you were enjoying the floor yeah I've seen two episodes super addicting it's clear that you are although you're a very good actor and I suppose you could act like you were enjoying it right um so several questions um when you're hosting a show

yeah are you acting like a host are you doing are you are you are you trying to draw from other great host or are you or are you You no he and by the way the greatest host of all time for anything was Dick Clark agreed and I had the honor of doing an episode of this tells you how long ago it was the $10,000 pyramid wow yeah with Dick Clark I was 15 and I like Ty cob said it ain't bragging if you've done it I went to the pyramid round every time and won

um nice and uh so I I love game trivia and I love game shows and I love Dick Clark but the way I look at hosting is it's like doing I sometimes do a oneman show when I have the time it's like doing my oneman show while I'm being an air traffic controller yeah because the notion of keeping track of who has won what what the storytelling is Visa the gaml how much money is currently on the table how much time is on the all of the sort of making the trains run on time is

sort of one part of my brain and The other part of my brain is the Entertainer trying to be funny keep it light or looking for a moment looking for a moment knowing knowing when to bring the gravitas and make it real right and and knowing when to let some air out of the tire that's the fun the broad broadcaster part yeah because I don't get to I don't get to do any of that as a as a straight actor by the way on his Instagram there's a picture of him doing this onean show mhm

and his Boy's caption simply says John Stamos would have sold it out because there are a few empty seats four empty seats in the top row so it's that it's that and there's another one where you're drenched in sweat you've just come from some workout and you take this selfie it's at my house in my home gym and and and Johnny says something like ah the art of subtly posing in front of your wall of Emmy nominations exactly Yeah oh so good brutal he's a good boy though I love he's funny too I love that

show unable unable unstable is streaming now our second season on on Netflix um our our co-star Lamor Morris just won an Emmy yesterday oh yeah that's great it's I love I love doing comedy I'm blessed that I get get a chance to do both I'm glad listen I'm blessed that I get to dabble I'm a dabbler you are can't hold a job you know Renaissance Man yeah journeyman but I love doing this I I Love my podcast literally we've done like these numbers are going to sound small to you you've been doing this since 2018

I think I I I think we're we're way over a hundred episodes now and they go by quick man they go by quick and and I look back at the people that I've had a chance to talk to Jeff Bridges is the current one and that's I mean to talk to Jeff Bridges I mean I could talk to Jeff Bridges about the first 10 years of his career and how About this I talked to Jeff Bridges for an hour and a half and I didn't even get to the big Labowski wow right well because the

old man's out now which I assume you're watching yes which is just look I I don't we don't have many celebrities on this podcast mostly because I don't I don't really know how to talk to them for that reason right you can't sum up you it it makes no sense to look at your resume and start asking you about You and by the way probably isn't a question you haven't been asked and I don't want to that guy either but do you think about that when Jeff is sitting across from you somebody like that or

like I had I I'm like a music nerd so I had like Lindsay Buckingham from Fleetwood Mac all right that's and and I and I'm like can he log I'm like a yacht rock guy right so I get like Kenny you said that out loud by the way we're actually recording this you know what I Know I'm here I'm bring I'm I'm wearing as a badge of honor I know it makes me a national joke to say that I am the king of yach rock but come on man uh so I'm with you I had

Lindsay on and it's all I could do to I mean I went track by track so or or a guy like Jeff and talk about this movie and that movie and I mean for me I just want to find the deep cut to talk about right like there's a reason I didn't get to Big Labowski I realized it's like everybody asking everybody Right thees yeah like you want to that' be the first question they'd ask him on Entertainment Tonight I mean that's what I was getting at before when I asked you like the difference between

impersonating a host and by the way nothing wrong with that I I impersonated Dick Clark for a while because I didn't know of a better example sure but of course who did Dick Clark impersonate and when did he stop doing that and start you know start being Dick Clark That's right very interesting I mean because hosting is not acting well I tell you what I see to be contemporary is I see it with Tom Brady on on Fox yeah and Tom when you think about Tom Brady the greatest of all time I I think everybody

knows one of his greatest things was he was coachable like he he was he was in there knew the play it was he was a coach's dream yeah I don't think that's serving Him well here because we need to be ourselves that's the lesson yep and so I can just see Tom coming into this you know he's never done it before he's listening to the quote unquote experts I want to go bro you're Tom Brady should be Tom Brady because you can because with all the best intentions it's I can't I'm making this up I

don't know any of this to be true by the way but I can see based on my experience in these type of things where it's like so Listen in the first quarter let's make sure we focus on the this and that and so and that we're going to build a narrative like in the second quarter we're going to a package where we talk about the defense but let's let the defense establish your in the and the next thing you know you don't know what the to say you don't to obsess on the details at the

expense of the larger thing right that's the that's the weird I'm just I'm so interested in hosting Not not because I am kind of one uh but because it's it's not broadcasting really and it's not acting no really there are times when it's all just jammed in together but you Des Des cried it right you're first and you're actually a traffic cop with a sense of humor and hopefully some time and and a and and a proper host right you know it's like okay this person's had enough to drink they need to no longer be

toasting let's move on to some do you Know what I mean it's like all the stuff you would do at a party oh that person's been sitting in the corner they seem nervous I feel like they've got something to give though let me see if I can what it's it's it really is just anaz there's so much more to it m than you think if you're doing it in the fashion that I that I you the dick clarks's want to do I mean there plenty host to just go up and read a prompter or whatever

what did you Learn from Dick Clark as a guest on Pyramid Once Upon a Time oh I remember he he screwed up my um my introduction seven times seven consecutive times and he I'll never forget as long as I live it's like it's like that famous voice it's in my head head ladies and Gentlemen please welcome Rob loone and then I would come out and somebody would whisper to him they go and he would be quiet go reset lighting queue music ladies and Gentlemen from the new ABC TV series a new kind of family Rob

lobe reset lighting queue music queue ladies and gentlemen he's just a tall drink of water he looks like he's six Rob log at this point you got to think it's unb just with it it was no but he was deadly serious and what it was was like he had zero Shame about I mean each introduction he Sold it as if it were the first yeah it never affected him it was like water off a duck's back you wouldn't it was I was like that was unbelievable he didn't he was just like a complete Pro and

that he was able to let the moment pass and live in the next one he was so uh kind to me yeah I I met him in one of the nicest guys ever kind of notoriously right it was suspicious it was suspicious to me you know I I I kind of spent a lot of time Around the edges of this industry and scrupulously avoided uh well the path that you took not that it was offered to me but I but I decided early on I was going to try and make a living in the periphery

and and and this I got hired to host a show called no relation it was on FX and uh it was through Dick Clark Productions right so dick oversaw the whole thing and we filmed over at uh where they do the prices right CBS CBS Television City in fact fact I had Bob Barker's dressing room come on Bob was shooting Monday through Friday or whenever he felt like it yeah never on weekends we only shot on weekends so I would go into his dressing room on the weekends and I'd put on my my little outfit

and I was hosting a show called uh no relation you would actually like this uh five family members uh sit next to one another and agree to be questioned by three Bea celebrities one of the family members Is an impostor the real family member is back there but one of them is no relation to the others that be celebrities have to try and figure out which one is not related through a series of questions my job of course is to host the whole thing and um sidebar it would still be on the air if the

celebrities weren't so damn stupid they simply we gave away all our fabulous vacations literally in in the first week everybody got a grand prize To Mexico everybody won everybody wins in fact Tom Frank who was the EP on the show he was he he was so frustrated with the with the celebrities he like renamed it hello Mexico and he started casting like Chinese people to sit in a black family to give them a hint they still couldn't figure it out they they they thought they were they thought he was trying to trick him that's not

good that's not good not not good daddy not good daddy anyway Pour Some Sugar On Me So dick walks up to me after uh maybe the third the third taping and he said Mike your instincts are good I really don't have any notes everything's going great we're giving away a lot of prizes but that's not your fault one thing though when you walk out and say hi everybody I'm Mike Row welcome to no relation you might not want to say hi everybody because what I've learned and you can take this for what it's worth Mike

this is heaven right now he says What I've learned is that even though you're broadcasting and even though that you're very aware that you're talking to a couple million people and even though the people are probably aware in The Reptilian part of their brain that they're part of an audience that's not why they're watching you they're watching you because you're talking to them so the word everyone it's not really the right word just say hi amazing And I I felt like i' had been touched touched by the the hand of God is heav it's one

of the you got the 11th commandment right right there is no everyone it's just a guy sitting across from you talk to him that's so amazing I mean it's no bare in the woods but it's good no it's amazing you having um Bob Barker's dressing room now that was something I can I tell you I I I was hoping you would so um I did a there was a time in The 80s where they were shooting a lot of movies in Chicago and there all these they didn't there's no real Television Studios there Oprah hadn't

built anything yet she didn't exist yet but there were these there were these s oh look someone's here that's got to be the boy how's it going yay killing it man hey how are you Mike nice to meet you nice to meet you guys like in the middle of recording no come we're we're definitely recording Everybody you take a load off telling you telling tell him a little story um this is Matthew who you did the the the birthday wishes for oh fantastic that's my oldest Matthew pleasure pleasure to meet you it's a pleasure to

meet you yeah I'm sorry we don't have a proper chair guess what and gu his the company that he works for owns Dick Clark Productions when did that happen there's Kismet going on around this conversation and I was just telling a Dick Clark Story we were just doing 10 minutes of Dick Clark Productions no way I I work in the Dick Clark build where the office is where Dick Clark Productions is over on like Olive hun North Crescent when he moved to Beverly Hills oh they moved to Beverly Hills he works at Dick Clark production

what isn't this bizarre honestly man I'm glad he wasn't here for the opening story cuz that's just too weird well bear would walk in when you listen to this later your head's going To explode it's a it's a a bear story hey knock KN was a [ __ ] bear coming in and you're in it you're actually in the story now I'm really going to have to go back yeah you're going to have to that that's called that's what we call a tease Matthew in the business just a tease anyway I why don't you just

sit on the sofa there you're making me nervous perched up there on the uh the yeah that's a there you go put that anywhere fantastic so I'm in Chicago yeah so uh You have you have your uh uh um Bob Barker is a dressing room I'm in Chicago mid 80s these little weird quasi TV studios are tiny that are sort of decrepit and we're shooting class there we did we built the apartment set in or whatever and there's a a dressing room and it's disgusting it looks like it kind of looks like a waiting room

in a railroad station from 1955 do you know I mean like those kind of couches nogy fake leather Stained and bowed like you can like there so many asses have sat in it for so many years right and I I I I was young and probably drinking still and I think it was six in the morning it was very early I'm asleep on the couch yeah and there's who are you and I look up it's Marlin Perkins Wild Kingdom Wild Kingdom that's amazing I am in his dressing room he thought he was shooting that day

He wasn't and the not being startled out of a hungover sleep by Marlin Perkins is one of my favorite weird memories you must have thought you were being hunted for a moment I literally and then the other thing while Jim and I watch from the shrub from the shrub and then the other very quick thing is not to say that sometimes I I maybe fought below my my weight class in my dating life but I Remember trying to impress a girl and said I would take her anywhere on a trip and she said she wanted

to go to Omaha because she wanted to see the Wild Kingdom oh that's adorable Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom yeah yeah I was on a date at the Ponderosa with a woman who asked me what the PE stood for on the chair and we're out of Ponderosa and so I just told her honest whatever try not to be too judgy yeah and on the ride home it started to rain And I had my wipers on inter Mitten and she was sitting there next to me watching the wipers every five or 6 seconds clean off the

windshield and she says to me how does the how does the window know when there's enough water on it to trigger the the wiper like that and at that point I realized you know you're going to have some fun with her you bet I am you're in I mean in every way I could in in in every way that I could so I just explained that I had a friend in the automotive industry and he had developed a sensor and it it was still in the Prototype stage but I I had the car that actually

allowed this to happen and she became incrementally fascinated with me and one thing led to the next but the ultimate success of that evening I I walked back to that spectacular lie and um her childlike innocence and wanting to know and my I'm I'm not proud of it but you know in the scheme of Things I guess people have done worse but yeah I lied to the girl and and and she uh she found me fascinating for it I had a I I once was on a date it was going to be a double date

but the other couple didn't show up and girl said why why isn't Johnny you know whatever and so and so here I said well Johnny's studying for the bar she goes oh I didn't know there was a test to be a [Music] bartender God bless him Listen it's it's see we collect stories that's what we do do you do you keep a diary i' never have I should I've tried countless times I probably have 10 amazingly bound books with one entry in them isn't that interesting I I resolved to start keeping one the same week

I decided that I could no longer ignore social media um there's a tape in me somewhere telling Jay Leno I'd rather stick hot needles in my eyes than than go on Facebook never send a tweet never well I started doing that instead of keeping a diary and and wound up writing I don't know probably 400,000 words on social media over the years but I always did it you know with it's like you know what I'm going to do this instead of keep a journal I'm not sure in hindsight it was a good trade in fact

I'm in I'm I'm in some trouble right now Chuck did you know that what' you do now with with what well with Mary um but because I Posted something on Facebook yesterday that I thought was really funny oh I know oh okay yeah I I mean yeah are you am I on a somebody's show who's been cancelled and I don't know about it possibly I don't think so I don't think it's going to happen but Matthew's really a my sons Matthew and Johnny are really good judges I run of that Matthew we're using you right

now okay so here's what happen is Mike here's a new game show Mike Row stay or Go the floor show him the floor now have you been following these crazy memes that are going around with this Springfield thing the best thing ever following them following them I I have never laughed hard I've never laughed harder in my life okay so it's not just it's not just us they're eating the dogs they're eating the cats have you seen the ones where they changed you like eat the cat eat the cat the have you seen the guy

that's got the whole sort of uh Trinidad Caribbean Rift going love that the greatest it's the it's making me laugh look well Mike did the Barber Shop version of that so amazing I'll show it to you a second but I just want to say it's not a political podcast by the way nothing about it is political no nothing about that joke is political but what's funny to me or like what's really sweet is I think to to be reminded of the level of creativity that's out there yes That comes from people that you've never heard

of this is shockingly great man it's it's it like rein reinvigorated my appreciation for the for the creative mind I I had the exact same conversation I got a dog named Freddy I used to do this thing called Fridays with Freddy where i' post stuff in spring thieves that's a how' you get that Harmony cat with a high harmony with cat And you could be in the Eagles C oh and you Jesus so that's how you do it we sang in a barber shop quartet in another life yeah the podcast is that true it is

true in high school yeah did you have the boater hats we didn't go that far I was going to say well tell them tell them our name well we went pretty far we were called semiformal f o Ur m l cuz we're terribly clever you guys are words and we wore Tuxedos and Tennis Shoes see I see your Edgy too very edgy very edgy but still accessible we killed the nursing home circuit F they loved us but anyway yeah the the uh sponsors on the podcast get unauthorized Jingles sung in four-part harmony because I just

think it's that's amazing because nobody else does that's such an extra for them people are so angry with me that's how we ask people to subscribe and like us as well we have like seven different songs at the end of every episode there's a different one I Mean I can't tell if it's clever or tragic but but this thing man people are just like what's the beef well the beef he's Out Of Tune he's pitchy no they're no they they're actually very complimentary about all that I think I think what I what I miss uh

uh diagnosed was the degree to which people were enjoying all the other meming I thought everybody was in on this joke because my whole news feed is filled with nothing but this but Of course it's filled with nothing but that because I went looking for it well no you no no I'll tell you exactly the another reason why you have a dog yeah so it knows that so I have dogs and so they they feed me pet memes and the basis for me of all of it that makes me laugh are the you know it's

the thing of the pets when they hear that there might be pets being eat the side eye thing the side eye thing it just makes me and I'm getting it not not through a political Prism but but through the animal prism yeah it so doesn't even occur to me that it is a political thing but obviously I can see how easily and maybe truthfully people could constru as everything is political obviously today and everything is magnified here but I just my my instincts are usually pretty good especially on my own page you know I mean

it's I don't have a ton but they're six seven million people would you would you let me post barbershop quartet Version of that with one of our dogs uh no no oh no why uh if you want to air on the side of being safe these days don't even touch anything remotely political ah but what makes it political what makes that but is it political because because Trump said it yeah that's the only reason it's political and it may not be true right true well if we if if we're to believe everything that's currently out

it is not true that they're eating quote unquote cats and Dogs in Springfield he about this how about I grew up my dad was the tennis pro in Springfield Springfield Ohio yep my dad was the my dad was the tennis pro at the Springfield Country Club that that's lot of going seemingly impossible coincidence a lot a lot of weird coincidence going on here right now I'm troubled by something your boy just said what' he say if you want to if you want to play it safe you're an Outdoorsman you're a Fisherman risk is something you

must assume simply to enjoy the life you have why why would anyone want to play it safe he asked to no one in particular no I like that got him got him quiet you see how quiet he got no it's my thing um yeah it's your thing I mean I think that inherently being in the outdoors and being enjoying nature I think they said the average kid spends today spends less than like 10 minutes a day outside it's a you know it's a world of being on your Screens and playing video games so I think

that's inherently dying anyway yeah but why do you want to play it safe oh to succeed in any form of career these days so and here we have the eternal struggle of our time right right we have to somehow figure out what to do with risk and I mentioned to you off air sitting right where you are now yesterday was the aerial photographer for Deadliest Catch I haven't seen him in 20 years he uh just Reached out uh and I invited him over and we had this amazing conversation and a lot of it had to

do with the the necessity to take chances and the willingness to assume risk and how really something has changed today because we're we're we've so elevated safety and we so value carefulness but we still aspire to success in all of its forms but we seem we're just so careful about Taking Chances and I wonder what a man of your experience might have to say about the business of Taking Chances from time to time well I I don't consider myself a a a thrill seeker or an adrenaline junkie but I am always barraged with people saying

you do that what are you crazy oh my God I don't even like you I mean when do you re and like I'm just living like I'm hellis skiing I'm you know big wave surfing I'm scuba diving You know all you know free all the but that's like just living life right and like I went to Jackson Hall recently I was like can I get 100,000 vertical feet in one day they have an app I did and so but that's the way I'm wired I'm wired to do stuff like that but there's stuff I won't

do I won't I don't want to jump out of a plane don't ask me why but I will jump off of a cliff into water or a bridge hm like at what height I mean I have my limits but I'll jump off of Stuff that people would not jump off of but the notion of a plane with a probably because I'm such a bad Packer I figure I would that I don't trust anybody to pack pack your own shoot pack your own your own shoot um go with the golden knights like Mike did that was

exciting d but you're so you're on the guy's back first time I'm not doing I Matthew's done it of course he's done it one and done was enough for me so me too but I've never jumped out of a plane Where there wasn't a camera pointed at me I have a whole different risk tolerance and risk profile when I'm working oh same you put a camera on me I'm liable to do anything actually I know that I can't trust myself yeah if you put a camera on me I cannot trust myself what is with that

why why why do we become Bulletproof when we're when a camera's pointing at us because the juice becomes worth the squeeze because film is Forever it's just that simple yeah and I'm like when uh when I play in golf tournaments like I want the gallery like I'm I like crowds cameras I I want that it's when I'm alone is when I play my worst golf interesting the crowd makes you better yeah just it's like you know I'm a performer yeah you the light goes on I know what to do well except you see it in

reality shows too right you see you see people who are not performers oh you That's the so back to the floor the thing that I just probably that I did not anticipate is that regular people contestants in the hot Bright Light of the set and the television and the clock oh man I have seen the kind of fold melting and sometimes it's the most entertaining and I feel terrible but it is the most entertaining I literally Had it was a picture it was 80s 80s rock Duos mhm it's a and and so and it was

a picture so you couldn't have the actual people you had to guest and it was a picture of a hall and a bowl of Oats okay and this per literally this was like um hallway B oat Ali wheat Ali wheat um Hall oat B way like it went on and so you just Never know it is it is interesting because you know you can't you can't judge The Human Condition by performance under that level of scrutiny and Circumstance for sure but my God I mean it's a it's a deep well online if you go down

game show bloopers I'm sure you have I mean did the fam the famous one really did happen rightly game yeah that that did because for year was debunk remember it was debunked ited forever it was a wi's tale it never happened and Then recently they found the they found the footage and that's not an AI foot that's real footage that'd be in the butt Bob the greatest just to see Bob Eubanks like his expression he he goes through the five stages of grief in about 3 seconds right he just just all everything just runs out

the blood the expression and he just hangs his head he doesn't know where to look he doesn't know what to do there's no play let me ask you a question Paul Lind Hollywood Squares mhm you win a cookie went a cook by the way I'm obsessed with doing the Paul Lind story as a movie oh wow cuz you know the [ __ ] was going on well based on your turn in liberachi behind the candal oper right isn't that that a good comp it's a companion past what's the great wait oh I I you I

I can do it Paul Lind yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah go ahead go ahead do it smell like I Think I I'll I'll cut that out I don't think so I'll bleep it what did he did he get the questions in advance yes of course yeah yeah yeah I for sure right for sure yeah I do a version of that called North Hollywood cubes and that's what we do right swear to God really yeah MH so it's it's for cuz he's too they're too good and too quick correct yeah yeah everybody gets him into events

everybody gets I was uh uh number two for the reboot of that I I Forget who actually hosted it Whoopi whoopy that's right she bought it she bought that hosted in Hollywood Squares yeah and Alec Baldwin was in the Paul Lind Center Square yeah well I came close I was they called me back a couple of times and I asked that question and they were like well of course they get all of it but as a kid I remember watching that show and just there were there were were so many great things about the Hollywood

Squares that was the Best show at making you feel like a fly on a wall at a party you wanted to be at yes you wanted to be one of those squares I just want I just felt like I was around them just Ju Just watching I guess I never said who's Cliff arat don't know gray area you I mean like like that charact Charlie Weaver Charli wasn't isn't he Charlie weaver or Cliff aret I don't understand any of it but he had the bow tiey sat there as if we were supposed to know upper

right I don't Understand I never understood that and he looked like an old man but he wasn't I never got that part of well it's back to the Sammy Davis thing there's a very weird kind of Fame that isn't directly connected to your specific experience of it like kitty Carlile there's another one Charles Nelson Riley oh hudo from lville come on I know Charles Nelson Riley is yeah but as a kid watching those things all I knew was everybody around me knows who those people are I Don't I was too young so it's just that

feeling of like man I'm not quite I'm not quite in on this show match game was great too I was just thinking that that was my favorite what's the best match game I'm always trying to like remember like he didn't want to put it in her blank whatever my favorite it's really a sweet one too is the the the woman was from like South Carolina and Jean Rayburn says uh and he had that mic remember About a yard long like a yard long it's just like a and Tiny But a yard long like a pointer

it look like a point and he and he would hold it like with his fingers like a little t- Rexy thing so weird really weird but the question we all remember it my 40 years later yeah he probably buried with that thing yeah um Superman is so tired these days how tired is he that all he does is lean against the lamp Post looking at his big red blank like what it was and and the woman says ass and everybody's like what are you talking about and then she makes this sign on her chest his

ass you know you know his ass that that's the right answer that it's the right answer pron and it was that's how she did it it was just kind of innocent she wasn't trying to be crappy about it those are the greatest See that's the stuff that's that makes so what is it so so here you are you've got this show it's a Bonafide hit right you're back for season whatever it is two and three did they pick up both at once at once no they're not screwing around yeah when they do that's how you

know right they're not messing around Dirty Jobs we did three shelved it for a year came back did a couple and then they ordered 39 wow 39 39 how do you find 39 dirty J well That's what you do well we were doing we were doing three in episodes so really the question is you know how do you find 100 some fast you know and the answer is the viewers the viewers program that show totally programmed it but this thing uh so why why you doing it man I I I want to understand why you're

doing a game show and I really want to understand why you're doing your podcast okay so here both of the same answer Because you know a lot of people go guys you're 60 years old but you seem so youthful and blah blah and I feel what is the Hallmark of a child curiosity and I need to be curious in my life and I need to learn and I follow things that I'm interested in however weird it may be I.E hosting a game show if it's something I'm curious about if it's something that I feel like

I'm gonna have fun doing and if it's if I feel Like I'm GNA learn and I don't know anything about hosting a game show nothing zero and I mean a pro read a prompter I don't read prompters for a living I don't do any any of it so I'm it anytime on I'm on a traditional movie set or TV set just by virtue of how long I've been doing it I will be the most experienced person there m out of the two and always almost every time I walk on the set of the game show

And I'm a rookie and I get to learn and I get to prove myself and I get to I make it fall on my ass there's no guarantee people might laugh at it it might not work I don't and like my adrenaline is up so the podcast is that with I knew with my Decades of relationships across all sectors that I could talk to people in a way that nobody else would be able to like my my Interview with Gwyneth palro is going to be unlike anybody else's interview with GTH palra because I'll be able

to say things like tell me about the time my wife taught you to give a good one I mean you're not going to hear that from Oprah no but but you're going to cut it into the open I'll tell you that are you right you're going to lead with that so and look I don't always have that kind of insight but again or like Robert dowy Jr Do you remember the time when we same question yes we were in we were in um 8th grade history together right so we can talk about Sam ohigh right

when also like like Jeff Bridges I I I don't need to ask him the 1700 question about you know about uh about the the dude my my for sure For Better or For Worse love him or not my interviews are are like Rogan's and I mean I'm not trying to compare myself to Rogan or Howard Stern those Guys are the greatest but but what I think we do have in common is that there are interviews that only I could do you're more Tom Brady back to that comparison you established yourself in a obvious and meaningful

way in a pretty specific space and now you're outside of your Lane right but you don't you got to be you right got to be you got to be as Sammy Davis would say y you really you got to be me Daddy you Got and that's what people want they want authenticity that is you know the the the takeaway I have about where entertainment is going is you know there used to be a time when mystery was a thing and was valued and love it don't love it argue about it don't argue about it mystery

being valued has been replaced with authenticity being valued interesting and the only way you can be authentic with people is to be Known at your deepest level by people and the only way to do that is to approach everything through that prism so you got to show your ass too you have to be vulnerable you you it's like I I wrote two books and they they're among my proudest things that I did and if you're going to write about yourself you got to be honest and that's so the podcast the books the G it's it's

a way to share who I really am with the H with the audience because today that is what people want they don't want mystery they don't and you actually have the receipts I don't I mean I would say maybe 90% of the Memoirs that I've that I've read were written prematurely you just haven't you just haven't lived enough yet yeah you haven't seen enough yet I get it your life's yours and it's interesting but you know especially in the celebrity world when yours came out I'm like now You know what that that guy has permission

to write whatever whatever he wants were people that didn't want me to write it in my life who I respect that felt like I hadn't like that that book which one are we talking about uh stories I only tell my friends yeah so that opened up The Floodgate because the mem celebrity Memoir thing was was moraband it was not happening and people like and then that book worked as at the same time Tina F's book Worked and then so now we're living in a world where everybody is writing their Memoirs but back then they were

like you're not even halfway through your life you shouldn't be doing it you do it either when you're done or when you're cashing out for a check but nobody in in the middle of their life does this I I feel like I have stories to tell I feel like I have stories to tell now and it worked yeah but but again that's Taking Chances Absolutely right I mean what publist would would say go for it go go ahead and tell all of it see that's the i i wrestle with this too especially in the reality

space where you know you want to you know the spectacle is going to sell right you know the train wreck you know the head you know all that right but but that's not really who you are that's not the sum total of all the parts you know right and so like was there pressure From your publisher I guess is my question because I've been down that road a bit too um to push you further than you wanted to go to reveal more than you wanted to reveal or was the whole thing cathartic for you it

was cathartic it was super cathartic I really had a i' I'd never been more certain of how I wanted to tell the stories and I knew that it's contingent you've got to deliver on the expectation so you you You can't be koi and do a bait and switch a lot of people do you real this was nothing it was all a snow job or whatever but there's a way to to to to Dish the dish in a way um David nen did it great in the book uh uh the moons of balloon that's I haven't

read that it's it it was the very first classic it was a it was a revolutionary book it's sold and sold and sold and sold and sold and sold and sold and I remember seeing it on my Grandmother's Library as a kid the moons of balloon the moons of Balloon by David nien and you know David nen was a serviceable mid-level character actor but he wrote this revolutionary and that's sort of the the thing that people aspire to in that genre and so I wrote with because what he did was he dished everything you wanted

to know about all of his co-stars but in a way where you never felt like he he was telling Tales out of school yeah um making them look Bad being overly provocative or exploitative guess gossip or gossipy but it it was it was so beautifully done and I was like I'm going to do it in that vein and see if I can and I really I think I think I think I did um I hope I'm not conflating my Urbane sophisticated English uh character actors but I I think it was David nien speaking of grand

others I was watching the Oscars streer oh yeah the streer streer runs by David that That now now see that was staged for sure by the way really I'm convinced I I I we need to get who would be the old the you know producer to to find but here's why Always here's why I always thought it was staged it's Li first of all streaking was a thing it was all over the place it was the hippest coolest it was in the Zeitgeist and the notion that the streer shows up and they're perfectly framed to

not show something they didn't Want to so the you would either catch it and have stuff in the frame you can't show so you can't use that angle yeah or you miss it all together but the notion that they caught it perfectly I call [ __ ] on it and always have interesting I'm I feel I think in this moment right now the way you must have felt when you just learned that the answers to the Hollywood Squares there's no Santa Claus the no Santa Claus also also a big moment yeah And a career Ender

for me sidebar QVC oh my God note to self never tell 2 million people about the time you realized there was no Santa Claus on a Sunday morning when everybody's watching uh 2 days before Christmas with their kids doesn't go well that does not go well it was ah it's so disappointing I don't think so and my thought he was so unfappable though that was my point had such a great line his shortcomings yeah It's a shame that he's going to be remembered for his short his shortcomings you know it was all kind of so

sh like it wasn't actory it wasn't broadcaster it was kind of hosty but it was really was just a guy seemed like oh you know he handled that with he knew his way around and you got to ask yourself how did he get there how who who who missed the naked guy backstage right yeah and if he was if he got in with his clothes on past security All those levels of security right when he started taking his clothes off nobody looked to red flags red flags anybody complete [ __ ] I think you're right

I think it's I think we now we need to solve the Kennedy assassination let's move on that we've come pretty close to that actually we've had a guest on here a couple times you might enjoy a guy called Clint Hill oh I know the Secret Service Riser sure of course he's he's my neighbor no way Clint Hill I met Clint Hill his book is great I read it which one five presidents oh the one my my travels with uh Mrs Kennedy Kennedy yeah that's a good one terrific yeah it's great terrific it's really great yeah

uh oh I mean he's such a he's he's 92 now wow he's 92 I I I just got to tell you this man I I met him in a bar I didn't know who he was he was an old man standing at the bar ordering a drink and I walked up next to him a bartender comes over and This guy orders a Clint and the bartender says I'm I'm not familiar with the with the Clint this old guy reaches in his pocket pulls out a business card with a picture of a cocktail on it and

the instructions on how to make it and it's called the Clint and he hands it to the bartender it's one of the coolest moves I've ever seen no kidding and the bartender says thank you now I'm sitting here watching this so I I can't ignore that you wouldn't Ignore that no I would not so I said uh excuse me sir I you strike me as a gentleman of some experience who through time or perhaps discretion has determined precisely what it is he enjoys in this life he says I am that man and I said uh

you also strike me as a gentleman who uh from time to time has encountered the sorts of frustrations that might lead a man in your position to streamline Affairs and take uh the necessary steps To eliminate any potential miscommunications he I am that man no [ __ ] so we laugh shake hands I introduce myself I go over meet his wife who I does he say hi I'm Clint Hill and does that ring a bell yet that doesn't ring a bell um didn't really know didn't not know but it wasn't like that like oh my

God yes right I hadn't read his book right sat down wound up having dinner with he and his wife and during the course of the meal I learned that he was In the Secret Service and then I learned that he guarded not one or two or three or four but five presidents this is all insane to me I'm like God I can't this is so we exchanged numbers and I just feel like I I made a friend but here's the crazy part of the story Rob it's the day before President's Day so I go home

and I've had a couple of clints to be honest which is not a terribly it doesn't taste great it doesn't taste great it's like Negron isn't it it's a Lot of compari a lot of compari and and vodka and whatnot anyway whatever you know I was going to be sociable and it's pink which is just so weird pretty like this James Bond cat to be drinking a pink cocktail but I go home and I Google him and I get a a photo of his book five presidents and I wrote a President's Day post that basically

said look as we as we toast our current president and all the past presidents let's raise a glass specifically one filled with the Clint To the author of five presidents it's a great book so I so post a picture of the the book I tell the story I just told you about meeting him and I post a picture of his business card and the next day maybe it's a day after my publisher at Simon and Schuster calls me and says what have you done and I said I I just told Clint story she like he's

our author and we now have orders for 20,000 new books wow so then his wife calls and now now we really become Friends I just sold 20,000 books after drinking a few clints right and so that's amazing it's a weird small funny world man isn't it it and it and it's why I still take stupid Chances with this Facebook things it's some sometimes whether it's a song or a post or a you I mean you just never know you got to look you're in at the end of the day truly all we have our our

Spirits we have our bodies we have we we have certain things but one of them is our instincts and That's all we have it's all we have and you know nobody BS a th no nobody went to the Hall of Fame batting a thousand bet 300 you're going to the Hall of Fame you bet and the difference between I mean my God that you're a baseball fan right sure huge I mean I just think the no sport better lends itself statistics well life analogies for sure I mean for sure but just statistics the the the

distance you know the the 90 ft to first base and you Think about the number of plays at first that Go Big Bang Yeah you just think about that I mean it's amazing it is amazing so much math in baseball who's your team Dodgers all the way all the way yeah show all the way so what so I met him oh really and it's a sort of tell me what your takea away from this story is because I knew it when it happened it was significant so I go into the clubhouse and he was the

only person there and he's got the cut off work Workout sweatpants on and then his full uniform at the top and I introduced myself and was perfectly nice and I say would you mind if I take a selfie with you and you know his English is not great but he know you know does he know who you are hard to tell yeah which which is very strange for you well you either know either you know or you or you know they don't know right but the in between I I don't so he could have just

Made I just don't know right and so we take so instead of so I get the camera and and I fig we're just going to stand up we're take the photo no no no no he gets fully dressed he puts the socks on he puts the stirrups on he gets the pants he pulls them up he gets the belt he buckles the belt he walks across the room to get a new hat he puts the new hat on and then and only then does he pose for the selfie with me which is on my Instagram

page and Amazing then I go out and I sit on my seat and I'm sitting with my friend who works for the Dodgers and he goes hey check this out and it's a text from shohi and it's a ask Rob if it would be okay if I also posted now you tell me what superstar on planet Earth would do that do you think he knows he's a superstar and do you think most people who follow the game understand what we're seeing I don't think people understand I don't think They do and I'll tell you another

I understand the game and I didn't understand what what we were seeing until I saw him play you have to see him in person he's so big he's so the thing that blew my mind two things the sound of the ball coming off of his Bat I thought I was crazy as Dave Roberts he's like oh yeah no we all talk about it there's never been there's never been a baseball player whose ball off the bat sounds like shy Otani and his speed know And now we know he's going to steal 50 bases but what

he for opening day he had a double down the line and when he made the turn at first I could not believe my eyes we are blessed to have him it's amazing what was the turn what what left you breathless about it how he's 6'4 he's 6'4 and he runs like a gazelle you just can't believe how fast he is yeah and he can throw too oh it's unbelievable he he might throw this year yeah I don't think he will what was the Injury he had uh Tommy he's just coming back from Tommy John Tommy

John um do you remember Frank mccort of course he sat right where you're sitting unbelief still owns the parking lot at Dodger Stadium best sale the best the best sale deal Taylor has some issues with that yeah I mean and I love my Dodgers I just wish we could figure out a way to get people in and out of the stadium oh my god well you know he's on a he's on a Whole new Mission now H he's uh you know he sold his share obviously but he's he's trying to I think form a Consortium

to buy Tik Tock I heard this yeah he wants to take the internet back and he's I don't think he's messing around he's serious in fact I'm going to hopefully see him when I'm going to Boston next month he he wants to create an internet where individuals own own their own personhood basically where all of your data is owned by you And you decide who gets to use it and what they pay you it's going just to sit back and and and and think about in five years two years 10 years the discussions we will

be having going remember when right like it's going to be insane yeah it's happening so fast I don't yeah it's just seems platitudinous to even say it but it it feels like it's part of it's getting older I know but it's the tech and it's the AI and it's it's just it's so fast I Don't think people have time to process the last breakthrough in the same way we don't have time to understand what this kid means to baseball right now it's it's happening right in front of everything is happening yeah all at once and

we're just everyone's drinking from a fire hose it feels like like somebody I've been trying to articulate what AI is is going to mean to people you know when asked and everybody has their own answers to it but this is one I heard the other day that it's like it will be the Gutenberg Press if the Gutenberg Press then also wrote Whatever book it wanted to write right yeah man that press was a problem you know who did we talk to about that uh I guess it was was it to Rose maybe or Greg lukianov

uh just the oh right right the impact it was like we haven't seen anything like that until now you know the the the attempt to to shut that Thing down I forget what what king it was I think Henry but it was just a such a colossal threat to the Orthodoxy and the way information and the party line you know it was simply unacceptable you know this whole idea of books it was impossible you can't you can't put these in people's hands you know no you they'll come to the town square and we'll read to

them what the news is right right and we we'll tell you the stories we want to tell it really is so It's so analogous that it's like kind of amazing yeah what is the U going back to that the other thing I remember when I wasn't running from the bear with your voice in my head amazing you said something else that stuck um what's the point being famous today maybe it was Rogan who said it to you and I thought that was so interesting because you're here you are alive and well living your best life

about as famous as a person gets but What what a difference 40 30 years makes well I I think we're in spite of all of the complexities and challenges and B and frankly very very very bad things that are going on in our world I believe that we're living in the best time in human history mhm and and and I believe that I was a young man in the best time to be I mean come on bro we I to be young single and famous in the 80s I I wouldn't trade it for any other

decade I don't want to be The Beatles in the 60s I don't want to be uh uh Valentino in the 20s I don't want to be Shakespeare in the40s and I and I sure the sure the hell don't want to be Taylor Swift right now don't want we that was the time it was all all of the good and there was always some bad sure but it was it was that was a moment in time and I I'm just man I I'm just super grateful just the idea though of a hit like a hit show

Back then meant 40 million people oh I remember I remember I did my first TV show as was 15 years old it was 1979 there were 60 shows total on television only 60 the reason I know that is we were always number 60 we were literally the last rated lowest rated show on all of network television and how many people watched yeah I think we had 30 million people right 30 million the LA last place and it was you dead I I remember even as recently as The westwing I my followup show was a a

legal thriller called the Lion's Den that I really liked and I remember our ratings came out like oh you're dead you're you're dead we uh we did a six we did an 8.6 you're dead God im6 was a death Nowell yeah yeah death Nowell they're looking for one in the demo oh if you get if you get a one you're a smash yeah today that's what I was getting at how do you you know how do you become famous today What are the odds you have to be the odds are good you become famous the

odds are bad that you stay famous H right no shell FL being famous today is easier than it's ever been but look at the hawk tuille girl yeah right yeah well I don't know what that is I I've never heard of it before tell us more but you know what I mean it's it's it's it's longevity it's hard longevity is very hard very hard now I think for for the the the current crop of Everybody Field of Dreams or bulld dorm had this discussion with Colin coward earlier today come on lot of kismi going on

here earlier today on his show this exact discussion I have neither neither I see your Field of Dreams in bulur and I raise you to Brian song oh yeah it was quite good Brian song best sports movie ever made yeah but not a baseball movie I'm not going with either one of those either I'm Going with the natural for those two the natural I'm going with the natural one of my all-time favorite movies period let alone baseball movies you know why I love the natural because I knew I was being manipulated and I liked it

oh it makes no bones about it I mean he hits the stanson and it breaks into fireworks so you know right it's sort of a parable Wonder Boy as that in incredible score is Playing she stands up she's got the liter an actual Halo half becomes a Halo right right it was it was how about he how about he fouls off the ball cracks Wonder Boy and the fat sweet little ball boy comes out with tears in his eyes and he goes pick me a good one yeah come on come on everything it just it

it's just and and the picture just this big cornfed kid who's throwing 100 whatever miles an hour he rises up out of the frame here's what's interesting about The natural there's a moment in it where the the guy you know the the the owner with a weird eye yeah and he oh is that Darren McGavin it's Darren McGavin and he goes somebody says you'll bet bet on Bas he says I'm not sure that bet will come in you shouldn't bet on go I'll bet on anything I want bet on three three pitched balls didn't work

out for me he I think bet on the whammer remember when he he I I think Darren mcgavin's Character you never see it but I think he's referring to betting on that early scene where uh Redford strikes out the whammer right and then the Devil Woman mhm changes her Focus to him right which is one of the great shots in movie history where you see her literally look from one side of the screen to the other like I want that but you have no idea what it means that's right you have no idea what's coming

MH all right it's a good movie it's a good Movie maybe great great movie is it the greatest is it the greatest baseball I me what am I missing I feel like there's there's something there maybe you haven't seen it recently I I don't know bul Durham I like best yeah and and Field of Dreams here's my thing B here's my thing with bum here's my thing with bu maybe because I knew him a little bit I was like Tim Robbins is a baseball player I guess I mean I gu you that's a problem You

get when you're so in it and you know you know what I mean you're like and like I wasn't I mean we could have been competitive we're sort of different age type but you know what I'm saying yeah and I'm like d you whereas Charlie Sheen he played B dude they he has an arm like you couldn't believe yeah I mean we grew up playing ball together yeah I mean you did not want to face Charlie Sheen so that that was that was a barrier to entry for me and boulderham I'm going to go back

to Sam for a minute it just occurred to me that you and I probably shared the same stage the Sam High Auditorium you must have were you doing plays back in the day no thing see I I fancied myself and was a pro already and I I wouldn't I wouldn't Sully myself he's kind of a big deal High School yeah plays of course not and so in fact I had never been backstage there ever until about three months ago the boys and I Were filming a little documentary or I forget what it was but we

were filming in the wings and they're written everybody who'd ever been there writes on the wall and there's a thing with this is Emilio Estes yeah yeah up there I saw it right well there's no Rob blow back there because I I was a you know I was in the Pro leagues come on in the NFL I just I it's so by the way here's a great one you remember Rick Monday the baseball Player sure so next time you're at Sam go look at home plate and then look at the what they used to call

the boys gym back when there could be such a thing as the boy gym and the girls gym the boy gym Rick Monday hadit a ball off the roof when he was at Sam ohai wow and people talked about it I wonder if people even remember it but it was lore and Legend when I went there I just I never thought about I mean I I was telling Rob earlier we filmed the way I Heard it there all of the Spalding Gray stage beats and that thing um and I never thought of what it must

be like to be already famous while you're in high school but of course this would be the place where that would happen would well but also the here's an added element that makes it even freakier already famous but unemployed like I thought my career was over already cuz I had a TV series at 15 and all of a sudden I wasn't working and I was like was this It was I a one hit wonder yeah and I was like I know I'll be a marine biologist and that's where I that's what I was going to

go do you really thought that that was lights out that was it I thought it was over and there would God bless her there was a casting director um named Janet Hinson who cast a lot of big movies and she was like they're just hiring 18year olds because of the child labor laws they can work longer than 16y olds and 17y olds it's Not you give it until you're 18 and I'll be damned if I didn't turn 18 on the set of The Outsiders did I hallucinate this or did you tell a Story Once Upon

a Time about that time period and you caught maybe Jack Nicholson's eye in traffic or something like that like Jack Nicholson looked over at you and gave you a thumbs up or some kind of encouraging word oh that I think if anything Nicholson looked across the floor of the Lakers Game in the 80s when we were dating the same women and gave me the I'll kill you sign across his neck did he really I think maybe that's maybe that's what you're thinking could be could be I don't know man kill you punk wow get out

of my Dojo who was the girl at that point no there was a couple of [Music] them but that's thing about getting older now I look at Jack and I go wait we were we were swimming in the same River yeah sure yeah A River Runs Through It there's a big difference between 47 and 27 and 60 and 80 right do you know what I mean yeah in fact I do right yeah things happen real quick nowadays really quick real quick I just remember some girl saying to Jack Rob thought we he'd come over and

we'd all goes that sounds like thre's company to [Laughter] me um I don't want to keep you all day This is great this is so fun but I do want to land the plane back sort of where we started with this um with your boys man I it's I love that he came here I didn't even know he was coming they he probably your ride home you know what happened was is uh I remember talking to Sarah yes you know and she she said you know is it okay if Matthew comes along and I was

like I was like yeah no I asked Mike was like no problem And then just earlier today I was like oh wait a minute I know Rob's son wanted to be here so I called your new guy oh that's so great I'm so glad it all worked out so glad I mean of all I said to you I said to you off camera but you know like the um you and deadliest cat are kind of like the what Elton Johan was to me on the radio in my childhood you were yeah uh for my raising

my my kids it's nighttime I've gotten home we got a Couple hours before they got to go to bed what are we going to watch and I mean years and years and years of it so it's a it's a huge pleasure I didn't I didn't know of course you know you never know it when you're in the thick of it um but I but I wanted to tell you too your your love affair with curiosity um you know I did have a front row seat to the Discovery Channel I I knew John Hendricks when he

formed it you know from his garage basically is One of the great entrepreneurs of all time basically pirating space a transponder off a satellite and buying these documentaries from Australia and beaming them down and he just he had this Vision in his head that something could be done on TV that really hadn't been done we came close with Marlon Perkins came close with the Wild Kingdom but that you could still see the mths of broadcast all over that right for sure this thing and as I'm sure you know Discovery has since purchased Warner Brothers they're

now the largest entertainment conglomerate on the planet yeah uh but it but it all starts with John Hendrick I asked him in the late 80s you know what what's the real plan and what what are you looking for and how are you thinking about TV and everything else and he Shrugged and he said I have one agenda three words to satisfy curiosity that's it everything this Company does under my tutelage will satisfy curiosity in some way shape or form wow and and I got him toward the end of it before David zaslov came in and

so shows like dirty jobs shows like Deadliest Catch they were they were new you said that we had kind of traded mystery for authenticity my rap around that same time was saying we were transitioning from authority to authenticity so Marlon Perkins was an authoritative voice and David Attenborough and all they're up in The Ether that's right custo and Jane Goodall those people and I I love them to this day terrific but if you if you really watched what happened over there through the lens of how how curiosity shifted I just think it's so interesting that

suddenly a guy like me could wind up at the center of some of these shows who in fact doesn't know anything like a true Dilatant who tries to be honest about his shortcomings and just look under the rock or Crawl Through the sewer or haul up the pot and see what might be in there you know and somehow dude when nobody was looking that became dominant in my little lane yeah and and I and your little lane powered the company that's powering the whole industry now well from your mouth to everybody else's ears but yeah

there was A time when jobs deadle catch and Mythbusters oh pulled that whole train were you a MythBusters dude Matt oh yeah yeah that those are like the Golden Era of like that television yeah we always knew what we would be watching it's so amazing to hear that from you and I know you be you you deal with it every day but you know the when you grow up with somebody when you go I I deliberately try to not ask you any of the questions you typically get asked About all of the things that you've

done but to imagine that you guys 20 years ago were watching me do this that and the other thing it's a consummation devoutly to be wished you you know I mean literally I the last voice I might hear might be meanwhile back on the Cornelia Marie 234 miles north northwest of Dutch Harbor Alka right when's the next fishing trip I just made me think we've got to have that we got to bring them on on our boat yeah let's do that be a part of the three different Pilots we tried to film on that one

yeah we're we're always trying to like half ass film some stupid Pilots out there well that's where the call came from Matthew a guy named Aram who produces do you know Aram star he he did the the right the thing we did in Hawai that's where arum was I knew it was I knew there was yes arum's amazing He's great he's great amazing he so he just called me uh about two weeks ago and he was like I just want to tell you man they they lit up season 21 we're we're doing we're we're literally

going into the 21st season of Deadliest catch and you know what it takes to be on the air for 20 years doing anything yes it's virtually impossible unless you're The Simpsons or no it's impossible and so uh you know in the end I just said it to David Yesterday you can't script the bearing SE no kidding and people keep watching dude they keep watching I'll watch it forever oh good I'll narrate it forever it'll be great I'm going to be I love the idea that I could be the last voice you ever hear no I'm

telling you it's like there are certain I don't know it could be Mick going please allow me to introduce yourself it could be John Lennon saying Strawberry Fields but I put it up in I put it up in that Category some high cotton my friended um if I can ever return the favor don't hesitate to ask for sure I know the podcast game is a is a barking dog at the back door you might love it but before you know it it's time to record another one oh isn't it unbelievable dude I it's one of

those things that compresses time but this guy my old dear best friend buddy is so far up my ass now every every time I turn around there's a new stack of ads get in it can Be unpleasant yeah it's just I me it's conveyor Bell it is but once you're in it man see this is why we do it because this is this feels like time stopped it's just like all right on Wednesday we're going to drive to the okay kind of dragged at the end a little I thought but by and large I mean

I thought we did okay we came out hot I think we did we came out hot um there's so much to unpack in this one one there is I love the fact that a Guy who made his living from scripts is now in this world of Quasi teleprompter CD Your Pants game shows and totally Off the Grid podcasting I love that you're curious I love that you've evolved and pivoted you got to go to you have to meet the audience where they are you have to and you know I don't I listen I was I

was at a place the other day where there's a room full of 28 30y olds and And I'm not being factious I'm not and I'm not exaggerating for the point of they did not know who Bob Dyan was yeah and by the way Bob Dyan doesn't give a [ __ ] nor should he right but my point being if you if if one of the things you aspire to is to be relevant today and continue to be in relationship with an audience you've got to meet them where they are right right roow everybody you're the

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