Ep. #19 | WTF is “Making it” in an Offbeat Career? Nikhil Kamath Ft. Kriti Sanon, Badshah & KL Rahul

Okay so what I wanted to get at by the end of today is the three of you have made it in careers which are unconventional so I want to know what you did how you grew up and along the way we'll try and find nuances of what you did differently that worked for you oh God this is like a Lama question [Music] [Music] okay we can start rolling again [Music] hi hi's up okay so this is very informal it's a bunch of us four friends sitting and chatting four one is your yeah hi almost building

friends yeah he's from Delhi so he's late a little shy quiet do not say things about Delhi I was from Delhi why did you leave Delhi if you like it so much no I love Delhi but I love Mumbai also which do you like anybody said that you can't like on City model no but like is a very relative Word which do you like more so I think my core is still Delhi but I love living in Mumbai because I feel like the city has given me a lot there's a lot uh of also freedom

in general um I can come home at 4:00 a.m. 3:00 a.m. from Shoot not feel worried traveling alone and uh I miss Delhi food I miss Delhi roads uh I miss the space that you don't have in Mumbai uh I don't miss Delhi Winters I'm not a winter person at all so you're okay in this weather you're not feeling Hot today I'm okay I mean I expected it to be colder which is why I wore like a sweatshirt in this heat of Mumbai but but I feel I can take heat more than I can take

cold yeah so I remember Rahul from back in the day uh we would catch up once in a while no we did I mean but we also met very very late I mean um I don't think you came out as often earlier in your I still don't go out very of no but Later later I mean when we were 27 28 I did see you a lot more but early stages when you know I used to go out a lot in Bangalore like you said Bombay gives you that freedom Bangalore gave us that freedom to

just go out there's no you know papazi culture or like no one ever like bothered us or disturbed us or we didn't feel like oh we need to behave a certain way because the cameras in our fa so we just we would chill but I met him quite a lot later later on but then As we hung out two or three times I think then I moved to Bombay and yeah and now we're here again after a couple of years yeah and another thing that we have in common as we three live in the same

apartment yep yeah he going to be the new res as good as I I quite a lot yeah actually went to rahul's but weirdly we've never really bumped into each other in this building yeah but I me Bangalore a lot yeah you're hardly here yeah also I invited You and you didn't show up so I was working we have another friend in common vij yeah suban yeah who's in this building more for you than for me and I keep having this convers more for you than for rubbish yeah if he's saying that to you then

I don't know which floor he's going on who else is here who else is here I don't know no VJ is not that kind of guy though doesn't seem to be no right no but my driver always tells me Vi h should we wait or should we should we call chill let's start getting to know each other I feel like I don't know enough about kti so tell us I'll tell you what we're trying to achieve today you three have you both have made made it I love addressing this chair this is should start addressing

this chair hence I changed India John Cena is going is on the show you just can't see him yeah B's missed India today like he's there yeah okay so what I wanted to get at by the end of today is the three of you have made it in careers which are unconventional but everybody I know either wants to be an actor a cricketer a singer these are things that people really aspire to become so I want to know what you did how you grew up and along the way we'll try and find nuances of what

you did differently that worked for you And stuff people can learn from through that broadly that I feel like someone Young Who Wants To Be A cricketer actor or a singer should watch today and learn something and probably help his Endeavor of becoming what he wants to become or she wants to become so start with you tell us about yourself start from when you were young oh God this is like a Lama question H uh honestly um I was a very if I can say shy and a studious and a nerdy kid I'm also I

think the Firstborn have a little bit of a pressure of like doing well in studies being this good kid and all of that which I totally had my mom's a professor my dad's a CA so I had this very like which is I also believe in uh but you know getting like about 90% sent and the right grades and all of that um I was also extremely shy I had stage fright so today when I say that to people it's a bit shocking uh considering what I do Um I think till engineering I didn't really

know what I wanted to do in life did you always have stage fret uh so it was weird because I would be shy I would sort of you know hide in my mom's dup and I would be like you know I'll take my time to like open up to people uh I would go to parties I'll take my mom along when I was a kid obviously uh and then if somebody would be like you know she dances really well dance once I would start dancing I would Be fine you know even in school once I

would start performing on stage or dancing on stage I was always in the dance group I learned katak so dancing was like always a when did you start learning dancing and all um I think when I was five my mom realized that I danced well and I could dance and I had that in like inherent thing in me um I one day so in my mom's College you know you have these college fests and then in the middle you have fillers yeah right Performance perance so sometimes they you know put people from the audience and

all so I just got on she put me on stage and I was five and I danced on AK and I was like full on there I like copy mad dshit and uh she got the fact that I could dance and she put me in uh katak KRA in Mundy house um you know and I did a full-on like Foundation course I used to not like classical dance I used to really Hate coming back from school and my mom dragging me 45 minutes to 1 hour away to learn katak why did she do that because

I feel like she recognized that I had the talent and she wanted to make it a skill how did she recognize because I danced in parties or in like you know and she was like oh wow you know she's never learned it and that was pushed to dance that was you choosing to dance that was me choosing to dance I would love to dance on Bollywood songs you Know but you katak and all is like a little classical strict there's a proper class there's Theory and all you had to like really give an exam and

everything so that was a bit too much for me and my interest was more in you know songs and like would dance all all of that and she was I'm today glad that she took me to katak Kendra for 5 years even though I didn't like it because I think that gives you a base you know it it is that base training which just gives your body That Rhythm and that Grace which you can today I I never thought I would utilize it but today I do um and then I was very paraku so I

was uh I always used to like get 90% I would like stop eating drinking in if I had an exam I had to I had this pressure of like I have to do well you know and it's a bit of a needing things to be no like a perfectionist sort of a thing what did getting good marks and people appreciating your dance do for you Emotionally obviously I mean it is a sense of validation it's a sense of um you know feeling proud it's my my I think my parents also to some extent like my

mom used to give me um exam mats initially I was not good at maths I became good at maths because of my mother she used to give me like tests at home with proper marks and everything now she's a professor so I had that in my house and closer to your mom than your dad you've mentioned your mom a Couple of times not Dad yet I think my my mom was more involved in my studies and in my life dad would be Al also working for longer my mom would come back home by lunch so

I saw more of her uh I'm close to both my mom and dad I think my dad's also very um very affectionate and very expressive uh in some ways but then my mom is more of the chatter box catch life all of that wants to know everything uh so she's that Um and uh sorry where was that yeah so she used to give me like these tests and all and I would sort of answer it and then if I did didn't get even one question right she would be like then I would correct it and

then of course then getting cornered in a balcony and then getting a is no no like properly properly properly why was your mom so competitive about how well you do did It come from something in her life I don't no I mean I feel like she in her own life has been a very studious kid she was the first woman who started working in her sort of family women used to not really work she's done PhD so and she fought to do PhD so she didn't really get those privileges why fight because her parents had

the thinking of you know I just get married now it was that so I I feel like she had to fight for a lot of dreams that she Wanted to achieve and she was always very uh you know against any sort of bias and she would stand up for the right and all of that people in her relatives and her cousins and all nobody was working so she was the first one who started who took up a job um is your family conservative family not your parents but broader no not really no no I mean

my parents have not really been conservative I feel like they've really which is the reason I'm Where I am uh but I also feel like my mom's thing on me also comes from the fact that she couldn't really do so much in her life that she wanted to you know she wanted to learn singing she wanted to Lear swimming why didn't she do all those things because she was not allowed because it was a thing Allowed by parents her parents her parents of course her parents she's done everything that she has after marriage in terms

of like you know obviously she learned Swimming later till today she says and very very traditionally good-look woman yeah yeah yeah it like you I mean yeah I think like she she in her time was also very tall I'm very like lean and how tall are you 5'9 and a half okay then uh yeah so I was always like this 90 Center doing well in school uh when I was going to take sence uh my mom was like you know why and I was like you know I think I like Computer science and I like

science more than Commerce like I want to become an engineer not knowing what an engineer does at all um and she was like engineering pressure is that again competition did you want to do science not because you liked it but because the smartest kids in class were doing it no not at all then uh I think just okay I genuinely little bit of whatever computer science I had in my 10th or 9th or whatever I liked it and I felt like How software engineering I can do I was not so much into accounts in general

my mom's a physics Professor so I was good at physics like when cuz she would teach me so I had slowly developed an interest in physics also so I was like this is something I I Vibe with a little more but I don't really know what an engineer does but maybe I'll make a software tomorrow um and that's why I took it even though she was like you know science is too much pressure you know I Don't think you can take pressure because again I was someone who would get very serious about things whether it's

exam and I would be like you know I would keep like walking till I get my course right so I was very that kind and uh I still took signs if you had to Define your attachment style what would it be I'll give you an example are you the kind of baby when your mother walked into your room while you were crying and Held you you stopped crying immediately or are you the kind of baby when your mother came into the room and held you took a long time to stop crying or are you the

kind of baby that when your mother came into the room you were indifferent to her being in the room and you didn't even cry when she left the room no I think one of out of the first or second um I mean I can if I'm holding a lot inside if at that point you know when Someone just touches you you can sort of start crying I can be that person um can you stop crying in some time it's not instant yeah if my mood is off I usually don't want people around if your mood

is off you don't want people alone I if my mood is really off I need to be left alone for some time if I want to talk and you're there I may start crying in front of you and how are you in and if you scream at me I will 100% start crying or You will scream back no I'll start crying never scream back hardly when did you shout the last time you like lost your cool and shouted at some I can uh sometimes SNP uh I used to be a lot more patient earlier I

think my patience over time has reduced a little no idea why maybe just the stress and lot more happening in life uh but uh if somebody screams at me I usually it's very difficult for me to Give back at that moment and I almost become like almost like kind of shocked at what just happened and then I can start crying if I feel like little bit also I'm at fault um if I'm not at fault I may snap a little but I'll snap and then after like 5 minutes I'll be like listen I'm sorry H

usually in a relationship are you the one to apologize first Uh it depends if I feel I'm not wrong at all then I wouldn't but I would want to sort it out I can't how do you do that talk about it I need to talk about it if your partner does not give you ATT psychological analysis is happening what is going on I feel like I'm meting a shrink sessions again session is going on we're trying to get to know you so deep yeah take some time now two three podcasts but a little bit snapping

I'm like soda bottle you know and Then okay when was the last time you cried do you cry often I mean I wouldn't say I don't cry I cry but not like if I fight with someone I there's a huge chance I'll cry how often does that happen how often do I fight for people how often do you cry not very often yeah I mean I've had phases honestly in the past maybe four five years where I've had phases where I've felt more low in phases and those have been more when I was not Working

what is this thing with work is it validation again no what are you working working towards what's the end goal no now it's excitement there's no end goal in my work right now there's no end goal because I want to keep working I love doing what I do I want to be on set it keeps it makes me feel alive I feel like I like the fact that I wake up having to do a different scene a different thing every day almost if I Were a genie and I say kti what do you want professionally

today what would you think I want to I want some really amazing scripts with great roles because it's very difficult to find very very difficult I definitely want to work with a lot of directors and makers who I haven't gotten the opportunity yet to work why do you think that is sometimes it's Destiny makers also take very long to make more films directors are stay With a film for way long way longer than What actors do and then to find the next and then it's a missed opportunity sometimes you don't fit the role sometimes you

don't have a like connection to reach to that director whatever could be many reasons but I feel re another reason I wanted the three of you is none of you have any Legacy that you're coming in from does that play a big part even today Uh sometimes I don't have someone who will make a call but sometimes yeah I think I've had more of those moments and a little bit of whatever frustration earlier but it's taken me a decade to reach where I am today today there's a little more um little lesser to prove like

I need to prove myself that's a little lesser why is that because somehow there is a sense of validation that's happened over the 10 years now uh whether it is with the box office or whether it is as an actor I think I've always been someone who was hungry to be known as a good actor not just have the stardom uh so whether it is you know certain performances or you know whether you call it the awards or the national award or whatever I think it gives you a sense of validation that okay I don't

need to prove myself now I just want to push myself and do what excites me what Is happiness kti what is happiness that's such a deep question heavy heavy I think just to be at peace in general to not yeah to just have a sense of calm someone wise once said that happiness is peace in motion and peace is I love that line I'm going to use it and peace is happiness at rest you can convert peace into happiness but not happiness into peace see happiness is a choice I feel it's it's a choice You

can have everything and not be happy and you can have less and still be happy so I think there are phases that everybody goes through where you're Restless where you're like you know frustrated you feel like you deserve more and you feel like you're not getting it especially in a profession that is so competitive like mine um I've gone through that I've been now now I say I'm in a happy Restless phas which is like I'm happy I'm calm I'm uh secure can you be happy while you're Restless yeah how how does that work because

I'm happy with where I am and uh I'm you know there's a sense of peace and calm and uh there rest Less in Restless to what next to find something that pushes me more to get to the next level but but if you're happy where you are why do you need to go to some other place because you still want to keep evolving and moving now life is not ended I'm still Restless to do the next Thing to find the next thing to okay what else can I do but I'm still calm you know I

think sense of peace and sense of security you know where you're not insecure where you're not uh operating under some sort of insecurity or fear that part is not there now it's now it's more hunger now it's more like like ambition in general in a positive way yeah yeah I feel like positive and negative is very much up for interpretation of who's viewing it would You say hunger for power no hungry I don't think I'm hungry for power hungry for what see um obviously there is a you want valid in my profession what I do

I'm not the kind of actor who be like satisfied who manages per it's not that obviously when you work hard you do something different you want that sort of validation to be honest from people that oh my God you know I love what she's Done uh can I ask if for you to truly be at peace we've said validation a bunch of times now can you have peace which you so aspire to have while you're also seeking validation cuz valid validation is an external thing yeah but still yeah you can but the more you seek

validation will come at the cost of Peace almost so you're giving up what really matters to you no I'm not going against what I want to do anymore I'll tell you That uh there have been phases where you know being an outsider obviously obviously not even knowing what is the right thing to do you know figuring out what you really like doing what kind of films do you like doing what has made you feel really good when you were on set and where you were just floating so I've gone through those phases of also doing

you know it's a big film and you know I know it doesn't have so much for you to do but you know box office is so Important and you must do this it's such a big project there's so many amazing people associated with this film and you know you have to balance it and do this and that both and I have gone for it and I've done it and a most of the times it didn't end up working so I'm like it's not even the result that it's happened and then I didn't feel that excitement

when I was on set and I made those decisions and Then learned and to be at peace where I don't feel the need to do certain things to be at a certain place and choose that want to do things that I really want to do that is peace right that's why I'm restless but I'm still at peace I can make a choice I don't feel the need I'm happy with where I am and now I want to do what I really love do is that a byproduct of Financial Security it's not Financial I I I

would definitely say I'm privileged uh it's not I've been a middle class I've come from a middle class family but it's not like I've ever felt the need to work because I had to earn money that wasn't there my parents were working I never felt the need my parents never made me feel anybody who says middle class on camera gets trolled just saying I but I've genuinely been there meaning CA and PhD so upper middle class whatever but I've Been I've not been someone who's been like extremely rich and wealthy and all of that but

I've also not been someone who felt k no no no I need to do this for money never been mine and also the definition of wealthy is so relative right yeah it is but I feel also for me like you know I have a joint account with my father I have no idea how much money is coming in going out really even today yes even today now I've started being a little More you know when I'm wanting to say I'm looking at okay you know Dad I want to buy a house then I'm s like

oh you know so that is when I wake up and I'm like oh I think that is the reason why I never maybe it's not been in my nature but isn't it important to be financially independent in the decision making 100% isn't it like a ingredient of being successful it's not about success I just Feel like every individual in general should be an individual should be financially independent you should never depend on anyone else for money and for your basic needs you should never have to do anything no I meant to allocate the money you're

making as in like what kitti is earning today shouldn't kitti the individual make the decision of what happens to that money yeah but I do but I do also have my family and I I'm that person who makes a collective decision Are you a single person from the I'm not talking about the societal construct of marriage and mother and father and all of that when you look to yourself do you see kti the individual or do you see the sanon family with sister and San I would correct sanon family I don't know what that means

honestly when I look at myself I look at myself as the individual if I ask you where will you be 10 years from now close your eyes paint a mental image who All feature in that image of course my family does it's never without that uh but of course when it comes to professional space M uh then it's just in my professional space it's just me so that's there that's like when I think of myself professionally in ten years and things like that then it's more about work I'm also the person I'm very attached to

my family but I'm also more so if I go on shoot for like 20 days I get a scolding that that you've Not called H so I'm like because I'm surrounded by work people and my team and you know people from the film I'm more there it's it's very less than then I'm like I'm like oh today I haven't called my mom or my dad or whatever or I have to do a FaceTime on the family group chat do you call them every day not necessarily I should but I don't but I should m okay

so we got to age five you age five yeah Hello you you went to dance school but you've gone to Engineering also but tell us more about your life between 5 and 17 when you go to engineering 18 how old are you yeah I mean honestly I've been like I said that's been what I've told you till now has been like till my college I was a studious nerdy uh slightly shy almost Ambi word I would say is what I call myself now in this industry have evolved to be a lot more Um how do

I say it lot more talkative lot more comfortable lot more easily opened up in front of people in general I not I was not this person earlier not even in my first 2 three years of uh this profession they say really smart people know when to look stupid is that a requirement in the industry that you work in what yeah I don't think I can ever do that I'm trying to get my head around what you just said smart people look Stupid you know when to make yourself look stupid yeah the smartest of people no

that is an issue with me I that you're able to or you're not able to maybe I'm not really smart maybe you don't want to maybe I'm not really smart no I said maybe you don't want to be stupid yeah I just I just feel I I don't get that in fact I'm I'm usually around me looked at as someone who has very strong opinions or like a lot of questions to ask if there were three Opinions that Define your personality what would they be about the world three opinions about the world this asking me

tough questions yeah this was for to me a chilled scene we'll get to the chill St oh my God H three opinions about the world don't worry about judg M no about the world I don't know I can tell you about myself no three things that you think are good in the world or bad in the world which are on top of mind for you I feel any kind Of biases whether it's on the basis of gender religion uh boundaries whatever is something that that I don't like or that bothers me a little at times

um I treat people equally and I feel like that's how do we really does anyone treat people equally more or less we live in a country with no ST in general sometimes but when I say treat people I'm talking about kindness just being nice uh we Fe benevolence a lot Because it is cool to be benevolent and not malevolent we often are nice to people because we like the projection of ourself of being nice to people no not everyone not everyone not everyone I'm saying people some people yeah but I feel like but we also

taught from a very like young age right by your mothers and you're taught that oh be nice to people be nice to people so I guess it's just like you want to be nice to people cuz That's how you're wired you've been told that just be be nice to people you don't lose anything I don't know what nice is but you all have your own version of like niceness but compassionate kind young kid so you just are you compassionate I don't know are you detached I am detached I'm very detached I live alone wherever whichever

City I often don't see people for many days in a row and I'm happy like that but you have people who affect you people do Affect me yeah but somewhere in my mind there is this fascinating theory that for any kind of evolution there has to be a certain level of Detachment if you fall into the societal mold of the construct of a traditional family uh I don't know if it's conducive to any kind of evolution or not I have a lot of questions I don't have any is what you feel like is the most

important thing do like Do You Believe In Love in general I believe in love because I feel like I feel like people when I'm talking about even validation is actually love it is a sense of validation but is that what love is for you validation no no no no love has different forms I would say but yeah I feel like we all want to be loved be understood be you know connect with people I think at some level we want that yeah know I love Connecting with people but would I describe myself to be a

bit more detached than the next guy yes yeah yeah like I said I know more questions than I know answers is looking like he's here we have to yeah 100% let's all clap come you must standing a recording is he [Music] Here hi come please I where are you coming from J meaning you landed you miss so much you missed getting to know me yeah how will you know K now why the sholley T-shirt [Laughter] have you ever thought of like have you ever done like psychology or something Have you ever like I like Psychology

I don't know how well a therapist you can be cuz are you liking are you feeling better already not at all but we'll go back to you we were talking about kti she was telling us about her life she spoke about some proclivities of her personality in her growing up years we are getting to the part where she goes to college then we get to the part where I went to college transition from college to Everything that we see now give us some pictures from each of these phases as in when you were 5 10

15 25 I mean when I was five I uh see obviously you don't remember much it's is what you remember is an image of what somebody else has told you so in a birthday party I've seen some images of like me dancing in the middle on and stuff like that um leading my group of cousins uh in a Performance that we're doing so those things you know funnily enough because we just spoke of therapy I went for a session yesterday and my therapist the task my homework for the day was find a picture of yourself

from when you were six seven 8 years old something like that and stare at it for 5 minutes every day cuz she feels like I have forgotten so much and so much of who we are today is formed in that 5 to 15 age but you do forget I to feel like sometimes like It's like memor is full and now it's deleting [Music] stop um that's the thing it's called attic Theory so your brain is like an attic when you put something new you got to take something out so it's not just me it happens

not take a problem name so you should really contain the crap you put in there like social media is I know a very lwh hanging fruit to circumvent that problem But go on when I was in school I feel like obviously this really tall girl who used to uh be a back bencher because she was tall but otherwise she would have been a front bencher uh standing last in the line of the assembly line in my class um being in what uh in DPS arum they used to now they don't call is there such a

thing as to tall as Too Tall people say that to me man I get what do you mean you're too short did it make you Inferior as a child cuz somebody else told me this not inferior but I I used to at some point get a little conscious of of my height like somebody would be like oh my God I have to click a picture with her like I have to be like on my toes and stuff and I was like what do you mean but I also used to like my height I used to

like the fact that I could wear flats and be okay with it I didn't need to wear heels I didn't like wearing heels must that must have been After you were older what about when you were 10 when I'm sitting like there are a lot of people who are like okay why you sitting so straight but that's a habit is that a hindrance to get work like would somebody cast you with a shorter hero significantly been cast with shorter Heroes there have been very few tall and how do they cheat that on screen that's magic

in general there are not very tall heroes in our industry now There are still there now there are now they are still there earlier they were lesser but I feel like there are way to cheat it I and I personally feel like chemistry honestly of two people is here what does that mean it's here it's it's on the face like the chemistry of two people is more on the face how they are feeling for each other what they're how they reacting to each other that is chemistry uh I don't think it has much to do

with height yes in our Indian Scenario especially um what is chemistry for you kti what is in life no no in that you were talking about in life in life I think just uh just to be able to have conversations and still also be okay with silence not feeling the need to talk but you know you your your partner is your best friend and you can say anything and talk anything and you sort of sometimes Complete each other and know what the other person was going to say I think that's chemistry we'll all be quiet

now no I you should be able to talk also I wouldn't know what you want to say okay go on continue College SCH DPS college or college uh JP Institute yeah a I was a shy person getting a lot of attention which A shy person does didn't usually want I I think I was also to a some extent not that confident at what age till even when I entered here see there's a difference why did I have stage fry there's a sense of not feeling that confident in the beginning but when I start performing I

start really being in the moment more even my first my first Ram show I came back crying my first photo shoot I came back crying m Because I was so conscious in my first photo shoot that I knew that I was not giving my best and I was not performing my best and I could sense that the photographers also knew it was my first shoot and that thing of needing to do well was not getting fulfilled so what changed how are you like this I think I gained confidence with work while working I think when

you keep putting yourself in situations that you're scared of at some point you surpass pass That and at some point you gain that confidence then you're like hey this is not that bad and hey I can do it so I feel like I have in a way taught my S confidence through so do you seek situations where you're uncomfortable do you seek them to some extent at times give me an example today what is the uncomfortable situation for don't say now please something else no this was not honestly but if I have to Say if

I have to say today if I have to go globally somewhere on some stage and give a speech I would be scared I would be scared I would prepare because I'm that person who prepares uh in terms of roles also you know you know I don't know how to approach the scene that excites me and that's one of the reasons why I say yes because it also excites me while it Scares me so scary and exciting is the same emotion for you but it is the same emotion you know you feel the same when you

feel anxious and when you feel excited it's actually the same emotion personally and professionally personally no personally if I'm feeling anxious and scared it's not the same emotion as excited at all workwise do you feel anxious often I'm trying to put you in a box avoidant attached or anxious Attached because you're like flirting with both sides that's how I am I don't know I don't know how often do you feel anxious have you had a panic attack ever no T would not not yet but you get anxious often uh anxious I'll tell you um unresolved

issues with someone closed gets me anxious confrontation with that person while I need to confront because I you run away from confrontation no but I don't like if there's an issue with Someone who I'm close to now I just feel like or if I've let somebody down but you're comfortable confronting the person because you can't handle the I'm comfortable confronting but if I if I have let somebody down and I feel that the I have let somebody down unknowingly unwan thingly whatever and that person is upset it and these are very few people in my

life they're not anybody and everybody being upset is not going to very few people who are like Who really matter like then I feel a little anxious if I've not resolved that that gets me anxious okay so to get over stage fright what might have helped you inherently seek validation like all of us do in different forms and you you like the reward curve the variable reward curve almost when you do well and you don't do well is a very bin outcome and it has an appeal it's like a Slot machine right sometimes you win

and sometimes you don't win is that fair yeah to some extent see I I feel also because ban say it's been there that I need to do well I need to get good marks I need to not even have so what pressure of needing to do well has always what is under that why is it often mothers and fathers yeah are vicariously living their own dreams through their Children I also feel like you know when you have your first child you don't really know what to do right but you no like there's no book that

is like so you put in everything and all your energy see but today is different for you when you were growing up when when you did something well it was a compliment to your mother as much as it was a compliment to you yeah yeah 100% so maybe that gave her something that she wanted in her own childhood and Never got and you also mentioned she wanted to learn singing learn dancing maybe be an actor but she never had the opportunity yeah probably see it's not like with my sister she's not uh done the same

maybe a little less because she has you maybe all the energy also in the first born goes there and you overdo it but the second one you're also a little exhausted and it did it's but I was the person who was obedient Who I used to be a slow eater if I'm not eating and I'm I used to sometimes would my sister would go out and put the RO under the shelf and be like H I wouldn't do that it's also a personality difference take what has helped the college to acting transition what did you

do right that others did not I can't say about others for sure because everybody wants to be a heroine Hero see I feel we live in a country where the three of you represent like Demi good figures in three different Industries everybody wants to be a cricketer actor I don't know how to put badsha in a box cuz he does everything I don't play cricket I'm musician but are you a composer singer rapper rapper of all of it so I can't put a title to it now no what did you do differently see I believe

that there is A part which is dependent on your persistence and your hard work and your talent and there is a part which is Destiny and I feel like it's always a those answers give me another one you're not giving me any marks that I'm wanting to pass here this is no I don't know I'm a genu it's not like when I when I came here see obviously I was also a little lost in Mumbai I didn't know where to go what to do how do what do I do do I click Mir Honestly the

fact that I wanted to even come here has happened my chance I ambition for this conversation is to help a 20-year-old girl become an actress I agree I agree but hard work doesn't help to that end hard work Destiny it does see it is it is also Destiny I'm not saying every there might be somebody else who is more talented than me and is working harder doesn't have that opportunity in front of them and I'll give you a very Contradicting view on this I feel like hard work has very little impact on the outcome of

a certain thing hard work is generally something that we use to appease our own ego when our ego comes calling as an explanation to why we failed or validation to why we succeeded hard work as a byproduct of a success I don't think has very big correlation no I feel then you're damn lucky if you or you're damn talented Like is a prerequisite it's not a defining factor of course hard work what is theug in your see I also feel like the talent or the skill that you have is Def definitely important uh I think

with me I didn't really I've not gone to theater I've not done any sort of I did when I came to Mumbai I did a little bit of a home workshop with somebody to just keep my machine moving uh I'm a Learner I've always been I think it is what do you mean by I'm a learner I've always meaning I'm always you know in the beginning I was told that she asked too many questions uh I think a a to me it came from Engineering also the curiousness of knowing more uh I've always been that

person I think somewhere asking these questions on set you know is this girl like this is she coming from here is my understanding Of evolving and growing were you okay to ask ask absolute too okay to ask sometimes H see that one's interesting most people are shy to ask see I feel like you know it's funny because those people who used to say firstly if a woman is asking like guy is very very involved he's asking so many questions look how involved he is you know that's also a thing you hear that I've heard it

to the same people now saying you know what is the best Thing about her you know she asks questions she wants to learn so I think the perception also changes from where you are I think most people who don't ask don't ask for the insecurity of rejection and the insecurity of looking stupid yeah sometimes yeah yeah but I always say ask questions because I don't you have to keep learning and growing so yes you can observe and learn but sometimes you if you have questions in your mind ask because that's the only Way of getting

answers question was just in certain subjects you know so science is all about Logics yeah mostly chemistry sometimes can be a bit of R give me more give me more like asking without shame asking without shame that's how I summarized it but in the manner that you you said asking without the insecurity of looking wanting to learn and coming from that Curiosity yes curiosity wanting to learn Wanting to grow and being also okay with not knowing but still kti why you out of the 50 million young girls who want to be actresses why you okay

I genuinely would also credit a bit of it to my luck to my destiny that I got so certain opportunities at certain points in my career um honestly I didn't even know if I could act I didn't even know I wanted to go for acting um I randomly somebody told me You're really tall you know you should try modeling and in my head I was like uh then I was like okay how do I start I need a portfolio then some I was like who should I get a portfolio is that how somebody should start

no this is get a portfolio no this is how I figured my passion you have to find your passion I firstly feel people you know how in three idiots they say I don't know if you get that uh most People don't know their passion they don't know what they really want to do I didn't know I went for engineering because I could and I felt I like computer science I don't know what an engineer does so you have to love what you do you have to come from a place of passion firstly I think is

when you will really really do well so either you have to be really passionate about something or you have to be really good at something and you have to find that is There such a thing as passion psychology believes that you start telling yourself you're passionate at something when you realize you're better at something of course and then you get passionate about it Logic for talent you yeah you get passionate about it you have to so when I was doing a photo shoot I came back crying when I was doing a ramp walk I came

back crying but when I was doing a TV commercial in front of a moving camera I was nervous but when I Performed I was like hey you know I can do this I think I'm good at it and I think I I enjoy it I like it I enjoy it because I'm good at it and to recognize that in you to recognize your skill to recognize your skill and make it your passion M or to recognize and then work hard on it to get where you have to if I were to go play football and

say I started playing football at age 10 and the other people I'm playing with are age8 by virtue of age if I'm a little bit better at football than them will I start to feel I'm passionate about football and I'm talented at football you might feel that in the beginning but then the idea is to push yourself and go to the next level where so is that a key like try doing try putting yourself in a situation which scares you a little bit challenges you come more prepared to your very first challenge so then you

Feel like you're innately better than the people around you and it becomes your passion not necessarily no not necessarily I had my first few auditions my first film audition was student of the year one I was horrible at it also to not give up after you fall m i came back crying but I kept modeling my in fact my mom said that you know um this field that you're wanting to go in requires a lot of like you need to be thick skinned and you need to take Pressure uh you know she used to give

me examples of like Priyanka Chopra and all these other big actors who are so confident and she knew that I was a shy kid and I'm not that confident and I'm coming back crying after one thing has not gone well so being protective as a mother she was like you know like don't do it and in my I still went for it I still was like no I can do it when they saw me on the screen for the first time they Were shocked cuz they had no idea I could act so even after you

fall to sort of still have the courage to get up and give it another shot and then give it another shot till you become good at it my first auditions were really bad I kept working and learning and asking questions and figuring and I got better with every audition even in my films when I when I my first few films yeah as a newcomer I Think if you're confident enough and you're expressive enough you you get appreciative for just that and then you have to find the actor slowly interesting should we leave kti College to

later for a little bit later yes I'm tired I feel like I've only been talking nobody else is talking can we know these two people also Rahul next yeah so tell us about yourself um okay let's start um okay I grew up in a small town called Mangalore which is about 6 7even hours away from Bangalore which is where I'm from as well yeah we both are from there um I grew up I was there for the first 18 years of my life uh my schooling happened there um but originally uh we are from Bangalore

my mom and dad both are from Bangalore um and my dad got a really good job offer when I was born in Mangalore so we all moved there my parents are also Professors I mean my dad um my dad is a professor my mom what do they teach uh my dad uh uh taught geology the professor in geology and my mom was a um a lecturer in um Indian history wow yeah so um so I also come from like family that were like both both teachers um grew up in this very small town I lived

actually an hour away from Mangalore we live my dad was in a engineering um College he taught there so we used to live in the campus it was A massive campus so campus um you know my schooling was in the campus just for the faculty there used to be a school uh which later on became open to other like public around the smaller smaller cities and towns there um so I grew up there and my dad tells me that I picked up the bat when I was 2 and a half 3 years old like the

plastic bat and I used to run around the I was all day playing playing cricket and I'd make him throw balls at me Nonstop um so yeah my love for Cricket started then so I was a decent student um um you know not 90s and stuff but around that 80 90 Mark I'd always be there and I always loved sport in school I played every sport that my um School took part in be it football volleyball swimming Athletics we didn't have a cricket team so um playing different sports I think so now I realize that

you know it if you play football you get better at Cricket no just playing Different sport help me be more athletic like my body developed um really well which later on helped me when I chose one sport then I was I was good at everything there's so many players that um you know I've played with who only played Cricket all along and you can see that like the athletic ability is not not as as much as someone else who's played multiple sport growing up so yeah I played a lot of lot of sport and Around

10 or 11 is when I you know um would you go to the extent of saying if you only play cricket all your life for 10 hours a day or 6 hours a day or whatever it wouldn't work out as well for you at Cricket as playing three hours of cricket 1 hour of football 1 hour of tennis no I'm not saying that I'm just saying like your athletic ability like will be different like Cricket requires like your body to uh move a Certain way and like certain muscle groups are getting strong but it's not

an you you're not developing overall like your ability of your body um so playing football requires a different um level of Fitness playing volleyball requires a different level of Fitness swimming requires something different and I grew up by the beach like 100 m away from my house was the beach Beach the Surat Beach yeah College we lived in the campus so we got out and The beach was right there so I play a lot of sport in school and my day would finish in the beach on the beach would play some football and then jump

jump into the sea swim for an hour come back and then study for an hour hour yeah that was my daily routine um and then when I reached about I think 8 by 78 I was really like obsessed with Cricket I want wanted to play cricket and I kept telling my father you know put me in a summer camp I want to go and like you know cuz all my friends who were not as good at Cricket when we play gal Cricket you know you you realize whether you're good or you're not good so I

was I was very good and I like Dad I want to go there cuz all my friends are going there and at that age you're like um you know he's going for coaching Cricket coaching is a like you get that cool quotient when you you know go somewhere else you leave that campus and you go away into the Bigger like City or like you do something different you get that so I like I want to do this cuz I'm I'm good just put me there put me there it happened for 2 three years my dad

just felt like I was too too young and I wasn't a big kid I was a tiny little um uh skinny kid so he's like no you you won't be able to play cricket or I don't know what his reasons were he didn't send me till I was 11 and then when I was 11 he put me into a cricket cricket Camp and um immediately from week one like there was a summer camp where all the kids come in and the same Academy had uh I mean the same place had an academy where there are

players who who are picked as you know as a there are talent scouts who pick you from these summer camps and say okay he's good we can work on him and you get picked into the academy where the coaching is better and you know with better cricketers the standard is better so is that how Somebody gets into something like an IPL today you go through one coaching Camp to another no no I feel you've gone very very far ahead so where does this lead to one smaller coaching Camp bigger coaching Camp then yeah then you

you then you get your like basic like Cricket coaching and you have the talent but there's there's a technical side to Cricket which you need to learn at does Talent make such a big difference at Cricket are you born better than another Person at of course I think so I think so your ability to judge what speed the ball is coming at and your ability to judge how much it'll Bounce from a certain area how much it'll move which direction and your hand eye coordination and all of that is like you know that's a difference

I feel like without trying to be too U arrogant about it that's a difference between someone who makes it to the higher level and someone who you know doesn't make it to the higher level What is it is it visual ability is it hand eye coordination it's all of it right your your ability to firstly see the ball properly and then judge how fast it's coming how much it's going to bounce and also react to that ball and like hit the ball like where you want it to so there's a lot of lot of stuff

tangible things these sound like like somebody should be able to measure it no yeah so you can do that you might have is that something that you can acquire Like can you not be that good at it and then become good better but there are certain things that you can't get better at like if if you don't have hand eye coordination and this is my version I might be very wrong yeah if if your hand ey coordination is not great then you can pick up any sport and you will not be as good and it'll

only frustrate you more and more over time that I'm working so hard why am I not doing and a lot of like athletes stop doing whatever Sport because of that cuz they you you reach a certain stage where you realize okay I'm not that good and how how much more can I keep losing cuz at the end of the day sport is you know you're competing with someone else and you have to win to keep going up the ladder and go to the next stage so at every stage you will have these like you know

reminders or you'll get to know like whether you're good or not so yeah so feel free to ask questions okay Conversation between all of us yeah I'm sure you're also curious Cricket coin but aren't there ways to practice and you know enhance the ability I'm sure there are facilities but but your natural like I know this might might not like convince your mind cuz you think so deeply but there are like some abilities that you're gifted with that can't be taught right I believe this like so Nature versus nurture you're on the side of nature

yeah I'm I'm on the side of nature completely at least when it comes to Cricket at least when it comes to sport you know what he's saying about like H having something that you're born with certain skills certain talent I think it's true for everybody creative when she was talking I was like like I know why she can't explain cuz there is no explanation you know like she was she like how is you asked her how are you Not everybody can act is a thing not everybody can sing H you and I can't see I'll

tell you where I'm coming from in my word let's say broadly I'm in the world of Finance there is no such thing as Talent as talent and I still feel the analytic ability in general like okay I'm saying I used to not like maths because I used to be not good at it but I became good at it but it's not with everyone not everyone will become great At maths it's it's something to do with how you process you know sometimes some some people are just born with it and some people people are not you

if you have a little bit of a talent you can groom it but if it's not there at all sometimes you just can't again if you take a math example math is only like mental like you can mug mug it or like practice it every day and it'll happen but like acting you can you can you got explain you can do your lines and you Can know the whole whole thing but when you have to think speak act Express like when the whole body had to has to coordinate together that is something that you see

when I when I hear Bollywood is not working right like in Bombay I have one or two friends who are in your industry you still hear that yeah what I think it's doing great now oh it's not yeah yeah I don't think so personally I don't think so and they don't seem to think so and when they Tell me Bollywood is not working my go why is it not working though yeah who said and when when you say it's not working what do you mean it's tou what my last two films did pretty well huh

I'll give you an example like there's couple of companies I'm a small part of and let's say occupancy rates in multiplexes are lower than where they were five years ago it's harder for a multiplex to make money it's harder for talent in Bollywood to make as much money as they did a couple of years ago it's harder for the number of people that Bollywood used to once employ for the same number of people to be employed today the odds of the movie succeeding may have been X percentage today they're lower than x percentage also because

there number of films it's not working as good at it used to be yeah from a very statistical standpoint I think it's become more democratic also less profitable Now profitable I think the the expectation of the profit what used to be earlier 100 wow 100 used to be a big deal 100 is also not a big deal so I feel like the expectation has gone somewhere else also there was a phase where it was not but I feel like theaters are back and how now so I think there was a pH when Bollywood is actually

not working it was not working factually it wasn't Working statistically be I think a lot of people had to change but I think the word if I had to describe it with the word that you used I would say it's surviving it's not thriving today choice of word but anyways there was a d saying something else yeah so I got a little yeah it's good to be touchy about the industry you belong to stock market I'll defend It yeah so when I think of Bollywood and when I hear people from that industry say it's not

working the place where my brain goes to is why is no one utilizing data almost like that uh Moneyball book in a manner where you get data of what scene gave what what reaction in the audience start measuring those reactions which cast gets what kind of an audience to buy a ticket what trigger event is working and There's so much data that one can collate for like 10 20 30 50 years and be more data oriented in planning a project versus emotion oriented as how the incumbent players work I was just making that no but

I'll tell you like my uh response to that data is being used a lot in cricket as well it's very easy to say see what player from over 10 to 15 scores the most runs pick him in the team you know it's as easy as that and People have done that like like you watch the IPL and and the way the IPL works with a lot of like owners coming from from the background that they come from from the business background I'm sure everything works Based on data and like their research they do a lot

of research and we pick teams based on that but that doesn't guarantee that you're going to win every game of cricket you might get the best players Based on data but they they might have a horrible year Like you know if like 11 players each one has one bad day out of the 14 games that we play youve lost the you've lost the whole season so there are certain things that are not in your control certain you can use certain things but nothing at least in sport guarantees uh better performance better performance or success it's

not that you do this and your success rate is going to go up there is no formula like that and I think it's the same with with them Like you know exactly I think creative field so Spotify you know and data analyst certain but eventually and that is also one of the reasons why AI might not be successful but eventually of creating art and for a consumer or for an audience to discover it the way they discover it is what it is all about Film or fair but coming back to Rahul so you were sent

to or you asked to go to Cricket coaching when you were seven 11 11 11 made a crazy big difference um it did because it was something that I was wanting to do since I was 7 8 years old and my dad wouldn't just send me I like you know then you get like frustrated at that age you're like everyone's going all my friends are going and it's it's During the summer where you don't have school right you're not doing anything I'm anyways playing Cricket all day in the gal I might as well go and

like get proper coaching and why don't you so after a point yeah like when he sent finally I was really happy that okay CH finally I've come come to a a place where I've always wanted to come and Cricket made me like gave me some sort of like joy and happiness and was having parents in Academia a boon or a bin um would it would it have been different if you were coule son for example no I don't think so no at least in cricket I don't think there's there's your your legacy or where you

come from what your parents did really matter that much cuz but were they supportive like like from the beginning they were supportive my parents like my dad played a little bit of cricket uh in his time for his college and university and all That he played Cricket uh and his parents didn't let him play more so he him being the son one of I think seven children so he had to you know um give it up give up and like pursue like whatever he had to do back then so he was never against it but

they were very strict about education as well they're like the minute we see that your grades are dropping we will pull you out of out of cricket we let you pursue your dreams And and do whatever you want but this is our condition you do this then we'll support you we have no problem so this is so similar yeah so so I think it is very similar in most like yeah I gave GMAT entrance exam while I was trying for films yeah you're born you go to school you do your engineering and then you become

what you cor is that the same for you as well bad how do I address you badsha is the way ad I did not know [Music] this okay ad I like that name Aditya is nice yeah I like that I feel like so often kids take the personalities of the names they given yeah no adiya in my mind appears to be like this bright Fair goodlooking studious boy from North India Rahul is a very romantic name that has made him romantic dad also by the way my dad's name sounds like a either a South hero

K Rahul the angry Superstar or or a cricketer like you South City's name as well yeah yeah village Village name k is the name of the ga and Then followed by I haven't met a single person from Mangalore Bangalore or mang Mangalore know be like I you're making up for coming late now this is what you should have said when you just entered but yeah sorry so it's a very small town so is yeah so even smaller Than so we just went yesterday in fact on Sunday me uh AA and aan went to Mangalore uh

we wanted to visit some temples which I do every year cuz you can I ask you three celebrities a controversial question I was about to ask the same are you spiritual go ahead are you religious do you believe in God when you guys go to a temple and there are 500 people waiting in line and you break the line and go into The front of the temple by virtue of partly necessity partly whatever because you know people will take pictures and all of that what does that act what is the summary of that act inside

of your head I've never done that I have done that but I yeah honestly that's why what he saying I connect to it that it doesn't give you that same feeling but in Mumbai or in India if I Have if I want to go to a temple you know it just becomes a little difficult if I don't do that so you should go there is a part that feels like a it's not fair but can I do anything about it I'm going to stand in that line okay if there's going to be no pictures and

nobody is going to do anything about it what is religion for you guys let's start with Rahul why are you religious again I'll just go back to saying That's you see and learn certain things when you grow up and my parents were very religious I saw them pray what if you were born in a box would be very different of course it would be very different it's you are like you said you are who you are today from the things that you've learned uh growing up and your experiences what you watched and you always have

someone you look up to and as kids it's generally your parents and and what my parents did And what I saw that's what I learned and and As I Grew obviously like my relationship with with God has changed over times they my parents worship let's say shiv G and that's what we you know that's what I was taught but then as I grew up like my my calling was something else I I might want to go to a Hanuman Mand or you know things like that so then my connection changed what do you mean by

calling if you change from you find your Own faith and beliefs yeah it's just I mean yeah is there a different interpretation of the faith that you're resonating with when you say you went from a particular Temple to another kind of Temple what what do you mean by calling what changed I mean as you GW as I learned or as I read more about um um the Hindu religion our books and then you know at whatever stage you are in in your life you feel like okay this is the god That'll you know there are

Gods right like for wisdom you have a God for strength you have a God for peace and happiness for for everything there's different gods in our in our culture which is great so like you know at each stage when I felt like this is what I'm searching let's say if peace is what I'm searching I'll go to like go to a Mand that I feel like can give me that do you go more often to seek forgiveness or say thank you um nothing neither neither I Just like to go and sit and like I said

I just feel like it it reminds me of a time where um you know I had nothing and I could just you know everything that I've gotten from there on is a is a blessing and a and a gift so I just go there to sit and remember that at times I had nothing and I should be grateful for everything that I have now which is very difficult in in the line of work we are we keep forgetting like how much we have Achieved and we only keep looking at at our failure years and and

you know how much more you need to achieve but sometimes it's good to just sit and look back and think and just you know say your thanks and say your peace and just go back to those those days where where you had nothing so I like that that 10 15 minutes so is the act of reminding yourself of how far you've come is that the high when you're at a temple it's not it's not a high but I Feel like it's it's NE necessary to to remind yourself sometimes of of what you're here for what

you're what your goal was when you set out to when I set out to be a cricketer or when I want to why is it necessary to remind yourself I just like I just like having that balance and not getting too far ahead you know sometimes you feel like oh i' I've played Cricket for 10 years now I should be doing this or I should Get into a team like very easily or I should get my runs and all of that but so in your journey of garnering power power think of it as an embellishment

or a euphemism of any other word but you're on step one you go to two you go to three you go to four you go to Five at 5 when you go to a temple and remind yourself of three are you hedging your bets against the future event or six or seven or Whichever way that might go all I'm trying to do is not worry about the six and seven I want to remind appeases that anxiety in you yeah it it does that and then you just like I don't like having or I don't like

going onto a cricket cricket ground wanting to achieve anything it's something that gave me joy as a kid and that's why I I started playing the sport so I I wanted to remain as much as Possible just about that about having fun about you know it also has a lot to do with you know I was good at Cricket other things maybe I was not so good at so I chose this so I just want to like remind myself that okay 6 and seven is or you know getting higher is is a process that'll happen

but don't be desperate about it or don't go searching for for something higher than where you already are and I've done that I've done that in my life and I feel like I've being at five like he said if you're at five and you think of three like aren't you pushing yourself back but at times I've tried to when I'm at five and I've tried to go to 10 and I've gone to zero you know so so that that for me that has happened a couple of times so I've recognized that it's a pattern that

every time I try to overachieve or every time I try to you know look too far ahead I miss what's under me and then I fall Down so far that I have to start all over again so for me it's nice to just remind myself that like where you are is is good enough and be happy with that and do that for long enough and then you'll realize then you'll slowly go to number six or then be happy with number six for long enough and keep doing that then you'll achieve seven it's it's a slow

process and I'm I'm I'm okay with that every time I've tried to like get that quickly uh yeah know life some way In some strange way has um taught me that's not the right way for me it might be different for other people so yeah that sounds like a very interesting hack if I were to be a cricketer if I go on to the ground not worrying about the outcome do I tend to play better yeah definitely again it's individual for a lot of people it's not like that a lot of people like to you

know some people like to get angry and some people like to get Into to fights and that gets gets them going and that that's when they've performed at their best but for me that hasn't hasn't worked for me what works is just to be like I said just to walk into the ground knowing that either things can happen but you you might fail you might succeed but yeah just just that unknown is good and and just keeps my my foot on the ground and I'm it doesn't make me anxious about anything but can You ever

actually put that pressure away of as much as you can it's not is it possible to put it away not completely but again if you think think back at least when I think back all my good performances have come when I'm in that type of mindset and then I'm always searching or like trying to push myself to get in that mindset but it's not not easy when when if if I'm not played well in two or three games the pressure more yeah pressure is more but then I Immediately sit back and think but if you

put yourself under pressure you're definitely not going to perform in the fourth game so there's no point that is that is the logical reasoning you're giving your own mind from the patterns that you have seen in your life but you your body will not accept that your body still wants to feel the pressure when you go so that's it's a constant like battle mentally you know but as much as possible I try To take that pressure up out of myself I feel like I create that pressure nobody else if I perform well or don't perform

well nothing in the country is when you start performing well on the pitch on that day it gives you that confidence and then you would I'm assuming do better how do you deal with uh trolling is it tough like I know Rahul has a shy quiet guy by the way I adore his father-in-law who whenever I see him Takes to the gym and trains me same the best is in the building and he tells me how my form is wrong with every workout I do and how my breathing is wrong and everything is wrong but

he helps a lot but you come from a very family mold you know I was at their house having dinner yesterday day before yesterday day before yesterday and they're very like a family unit does that help when the world is Going against you how do you deal with trolling overall um I used to be good with trolling I didn't care but I feel like I was much younger back then and uh you know in your 20s I I really didn't I mean for no better word didn't give a um and then I think couple of

years back I was you know I think I was exposed to a lot of trolling you know if I sat I got trolled if I stood I got trolled if I after that interview the bigger you get the more trolled you no the interview Was it was a that was a different world alog together um that changed me that definitely changed me I went you know I like you said I I was a very shy softspoken boy growing up and then I played for India and for the next 3 4 years I did become very

confident and you know I was um had no problem like being in a huge group of people I would talk and I you know you you people would know that I've been in a room of like 100 people they would know because I would talk to everybody and all of that and that interview happened but now you don't now I don't because that interview like you know is and this scarred you scarred me massively I mean there was you know getting suspended from from your vocation from the team and i' I've never been suspended in

school I've never been punished in school I've Hawaii name to know how to handle it I was always I was Always think I was you know I did like mischievous things in school and everything but CH M nothing to get me expelled from school or nothing to say that you know my parents have come and like you know I've had complaints like that people innately like watching people in positions of power fail and fall that that was my like innately we all enjoy it right like people enjoy it yeah don't count me in no no

I'm not not when you've become one of Then you realize how how bad it is but when you have not because that group is so tiny right for most people in society they call it what Shard and Freud whenever you see pain in somebody who is at an elevation higher than you there's something in your psychology that enjoys it you know it's not so much about enjoying but it just becomes an interesting thing to talk about I don't think it's just that I think you they really enjoy it the root for you to fall Fall

down but the same people root for you to come back up that's the strange thing like it's also the anti-establishment mentality you know once you become too big you become a sort of establishment and then they want you to fall and it happens in a lot of developing natur but that everything is shortlived that's what I've realized in in our world at least everything there's a beautiful thing I think it was a no I Think it's a cycle like support when you the underdog then you become too big then want you to fall and then

you have to outlive them correct in order for you to become a legend yeah for example Shah ruk Khan yeah yeah like someone like a shuk or someone like Ajit paji yeah they support you they want you to fail and then you just have to do your work correct which is the challenge what do you mean they want you to fail I don't know I just find that so negative like But it is the world we live in exactly they enjoy look at what what's happening with a it's I mean I'm I'm not like saying

this in a in as a judgment to how people are but like it is what it is like it's okay and I don't judge them for wanting I realized that like it is easier for me to to be more at peace when I don't give other people the power it's hard to not it's hard not to But like at Le you have this but ignorance is bliss in some ways when it comes to this it it like for me also I kind of like it's all important I feel like in many ways all of us

will have we have we would have created this space for ourselves where we want to keep escaping and go back to that place where we feel like ignorance like I have I love going back to Bangalore where I have my friends who We all played Cricket together and grew up together so I'd love going back there and for 2 days also is like you know it's best like I don't want I just feel like there's nothing enters that room no trolling no success no nothing it's just like just four five boys sitting and and and

chilling but at least that when you go there and you come out it feels like your batter is recharged and you have enough battery to last the next two Months so will you try this I think it's some Ed W you just P out it thank you I'll take it right I have so Nick that's what I've done with trolling now for the last year and a half cuz like I think a couple of years ago it was quite rough um so then I for the last one and a half years I've gotten off Instagram

completely um you know I'll still go post do my things and and then get out Of that place as quickly as I can I know it's just we've all become so um addict addicted and synced and tuned to just you know the first thing you open your phone you'll go to Instagram directly so um so that has helped me a little bit with dealing with trolling it's like if you don't know what are you what are you trying to deal with great advice to young people right yeah get off social media absolutely absolutely I wouldn't

say get off get off no it's also I mean Sometimes it's needed post and get off no have consume just don't um go too deep into everything don't make social media the priority it's not like social media validation comments under a real or a post or whatever I don't read comments give us some other tips Rahul what can help a young person make it like you did in your industry something that is not obvious um basically hard work no I know when he asked you that question I was already Thinking what else can I say

but the honest truth is just yeah honest truth is just just that but also I I I get what you're saying that you know I had the same view that someone who started playing Cricket with me at the age of 11 who also played State cricket and we were all at the same level and probably I've seen many of them who were much more talented than I was much more fitter than I was um but like you Know I could make that clim and they couldn't like so what is the I ask myself this question

what what is that what is it that I did that they couldn't do um but yeah I just I just think the ability to to be your own team in the sense you're fighting a lot of battles and if you're strong enough to be able to fight those battles all by yourself and alone not having to lean on anybody if you have that ability that some that Somewhere helps you you know uh go a little bit longer with the other things obviously with your self-belief hard work and and also just being real about about how

good you are if like K said for so many people they don't know till they 25 26 what their what their passion is or what their dream is what do they want to do I'm lucky that I you know since you know since as long as I can think I only had One dream that was to become a say you're so lucky you I do I know I'm very lucky I'm very grateful for that that I never had Plan B and I never had to think about a plan B I had one plan and I

was lucky enough that you know I I was blessed again that's why probably the reason why I keep going back to temples and keep keep um you know saying my thank you to the gods is because you know there's something that's not um it's hard to explain why another person Couldn't make it and why I could make it and that's the story with most of the players on the team um yeah so there's personal relationship relationships make a big difference I feel like I put a huge weightage or niceness I end up working with people

who are nice because it makes a big difference to me the overall attitude of my vicinity the people I choose to work with is it Like that in cricket or in the movie but you can you can choose it outside of your work in your work you don't get to choose what who you're surrounded with right and I can't I can't but can they Choose You by in my work I get to choose who I'm immediately surrounded yeah that's what I'm saying but I outside of outside of that who I'm working with obviously you can't

so I mean your I guess your relationship with the odds of you getting picked are Hired if you're a nicer guy or known to be no no no that has no like at least in Sp has no bearing in sport nothing zero zero I could be like I want to be in the cricket team but but I'm a I'm AR I'm like as long as you're good what do you do you can be all of those things and if you're scoring scoring hundreds every game there's nobody to stop you from being picked and yeah so

if you had to draw a map the path of least resistance if I'm a 15-year-old moderately talented wannabe cricketer how do I make it to a team that is relevant what path should I take after all your learnings today oh again I mean which coaching Camp should I go to should I try and get into an IPL team should I uh to see again like you can have all of these dream dreams but if you've not performed from if you're a 15y old guy let's say you want you you aim to play at at the

IPL level by your by 20 or 21 if in those six Seven years if you not even gone on to play for your state if from State Cricket you've not gone on to play for your Senor is the first step get into State team no the first step is getting into your school if your school has a cricket team or your Academy has an academy team so which school you pick makes a big difference um yes yes I think like the more Cricket you play I think it's for every other art the more you do

something the better you get at It the more you're challenged the more you um you know win and and lose when the more you see all of that then you your your development as a as a person is is better well I came from a school that didn't play cricket at all but you know my Academy played Cricket so I'd play Academy Cricket but I'd get probably 10 games in a year whereas someone who has a school team will get 30 games in a year so there is a Difference between that and someone who's played

there's nothing to say that just because I've played 10 matches I can't be better better than someone who's played 30 games but if given an option I'd want to have played 30 30 or G or more games uh which will help me you know realize what are my mistakes realize where I need to get better uh just challenge myself against different oppositions and teams yeah which helps yeah take we'll come back to Rahul Mr Aditya G Mr Aditya how did you decide on the name bad very interested very [Music] interesting a fan also thank you

as I'm a fan of um I'm a huge Shah ruk Khan fan I Love Shah ruk Khan huge huge shuk Khan I Love Shah ruk Khan favorite I love him in Bollywood he's one of those few people who you're a fan of and then you meet him and become a bigger fan doesn't happen every time I come to Bombay one night I go to Shah ruk's house the both of us sit down and chat for 4 hours 5 Hour 6 hours and the kind of advice the man gives is incredible I go to him just

for Gan we'll call him here one day with me I'll tell you that's it is that it why name changed to bad Shuk that's it he fly called the Bollywood movie but you felt the need to change the name my name yeah from adya to badha yeah yeah also you know somehow you ad to the no one said it to me I used to rap in English equal cool equal cool equal cool equal because that was my email ID cool equal at [Music] hot.com but was a Conscious decision did you grow up cool or did

you become cool sudden cuz now you're very cool am I cool I think so now you're fishing now you're officially cool I think I'm real I think the more man I like that you're prefacing this with real then I can ask you anything huh of course [Laughter] yeah I mean I don't know no but to be on stage and to be a Performer on stage in front of audience you have to have that cool ction to be able to interact with them to be you're standing with some people but you're the center stage you know

cool Factor you would develop performing is a skill that you develop but the want to perform is what drives you you know to give the audience the entertainment you want to give in everything that you have and sometimes adrenaline Maybe but at least you know you you go out there and you do it I think are you a very emotional person very I saw him like tearing up a little bit just now yeah and for somebody like me who finds it so hard to cry it intrigues me ke is being so emotional a prerequisite to

being creative cuz you really have to feel no it's you overwhelming sometimes you know you Don't know how to contain your emotions and tears are way know you cry so I think it's very overwhelming so it's it's an outlet I want I'm genuinely so curious I want to know everything question I was born in Delhi uh Papa government job mommy teacher government Delhi electricity board he joined as a junior engineer that means you were Rich no we were not joking but continue Yeah everybody I generally think whoever is in any state government board land electricity

water they tend to be rich next time you come home there won't be power water and electricity but mmy teacher who retired retired what is it uh went to a school called Bal bharti public school pampura um good in Studies for uh College St Stevens for a and then I went to Punjab engineering College engine civil what kind of music were you into growing up everything but you had a favorite genre artist I started with Punjabi because my mother Punjabi music gas manab Hans Raj H and then of course there was Bollywood chitrahar um I

was introduced to rap in school by a friend whose brother was in Hindu College back down down I was stuck there I was exposed to more rap and then I went to college or uh when it comes to mus because what is the Punjab Canada connection why are so many punjabis in Canada and vice versa almost I don't know I think it's the want of a Better lifestyle and also you know but you're leaving a ecosystem where you have family help all that to live what is I would assume a harder life in Canada no

yes I believe so it is but p but a lot of people don't think like that and they all want to do it you know and it's very attractive it's you three are examples of that I'm sure so many people look at you and are Becoming cricketers and actors and singers yeah right as think I feel like everybody needs a hero character in their life that they want yeah and all three of you inspir in different ways hope so which is a bad thing for example like when I actively wanted to become a businessman Restaurant

it's very difficult I feel like any industry where passionate people enter you should not go you should not go including movie business why yeah nobody who puts money into movies generally makes money the odds are very low people will fund a movie for the proximity of popular people and like a funnel of money coming in from outside to inside it gets burnt and then you have to find a new funnel restaurants people who are making Money in movies so exactly but he's right like if if if in Industries like like restaurant is very passion driven

or up because of the viim of owning a restaurant you should enter for the right reasons is what I feel huh what is the right reason I mean I feel like like you have to be passionate and all in you can't think if your outcome is money you will statistically do better at the industry where there are least amount of Passionate people the more boring your business the likelihood of you making money is IR so what does your outcome in your head have to be if it's money if your outcome is money go that way

don't go into a industry with a million passion people who are doing it not for money and compete with them don't swi swim against the tide generally you know I mean honestly it's not like I ever thought earlier of becoming a Restaurant no engine an entrepreneur also I didn't really think okay I'll start a brand or I'll start something it all came from oh I really like this I'm really passionate about skincare I really want to do this uh I'm so interested in it that okay let me see if I can create a brand it

was not the other way around that let me create a brand and now let me find what brand to create so I feel like for me I believe That's the way to go and not the other way around skincare again is a very hard industry to crack it's it's cluttered of course very very hard you're doing quite well though right yeah touch wood but again I feel like have you been looking for wood from that time this is metal I have kept it next to me yeah have a habit of doing that yeah yeah I

get nazer very fast if I were to ask you to invest let's Sayup blindly on a business how much huh blindly on a business which will fetch you a profit a definite profit in the next 3 years what would it be today energy transition energy transition energy I feel is moving from fossil to nuclear renewable so everything in that maybe a electric vehicle company maybe a battery company maybe a solar farm maybe some kind of solar wind combination which Gives you 24-hour power it's such a big thing energy in the world like most wars in

our history have been fought over it I feel like systemically it's changing from fossil to non-fossil and whenever these transitions happen it becomes a really large opportunity mhm like I would say anything in that space and it's not cool it's not sexy it's very boring no passionate people are there everybody's there competing over Profit path of lesser resistance than many other things you don't even need to create a brand you need to create an efficient system product so I would pick something like that and the government is on your side H government has a lot

of incentive in pushing you giving you incentives if you are any part of this chain what do you look for before you invest in a company what do what what parameters you look at um financially and interpersonally I think people mattered a lot I would say sector first at least 30 40% profit making company yeah extremely amazing people like the entire of last year I had this passion project where I was loving consumption Brands which are India first in nature mhm cuz I feel like patriotism is a narrative that will increasingly appeal not just in

India but outside of India I looked at demographics I was Like okay richest community in America Indians earning $120,000 GDP per capita all of that so Indian brands with the Indian story some kind of patriotism element in that uh and I worked with a lot of Founders in that space MH many it could be a scooter maker it could be be a fashion apperal brand it could be uh a consumption play anything but where we sit today I think everything is too expensive I find it very hard to invest Into any company in today's ecosystem

because multiples and valuations are too pricey for me I'll wait for something to change and I'll come back in and start working in that space but today I have a pass of seeing Indian products kill it abroad I have a energy transition thesis all of that but I can't pay somebody 10 15 times Revenue multiples and enter with a capital gain outcome in Mind I'm not even buying public Equity anymore I'm not even buying stocks I just stopped yeah last one two months I've just I just hit pause I might build a operating business all

over again where it might play in the energy transition theme I feel like a media business is something I'm flirting with right now I don't know how it'll play out there are a couple of new sectors that I like but will I invest Into a company which is valuing thems as a multiple of Revenue today I want does that drive you yeah it does I feel like companies do well not when they grow very fast and they're doing well in a very optimistic environment companies do well over the long term who are able to Bear

the brunt of a Down cycle and most companies I see today will find it hard to survive a down cycle mus now reaching a particular point is not that tough but I think the Biggest challenge probably is to keep scaling up yeah after a certain level and India May the consumer is so price conscious that there is no mot of a brand at all exactly question sorry I love that he's he's here to can a brand like not a luxury and can a brand like Prada come out of India in the next years should it

come out 100% is it the right 100% 100% Making now I was tring around yeah I'm trying I'm like looking for a few people in that space this shirt I'm wearing is from this guy called 1111 yeah but that's not super luxury it's not super luxury but I think it's premium luxury but I love his story sustainable the color he dyes it with is in the same bucket for like the last 10 20 years but how many people are buying this story uh I think incre story not been Created at all from India everyone fears

that now but if you price something say expensive uh in a relative manner uh how easy or difficult is it for a new brand to really kickart in India I feel like Mass premium is a space which is becoming very big in India and Ultra Premium more so what do you call Ultra Premium give me an examp I would say for a shirt anything about 15,000 rupees a shirt I feel like that space is gr is becoming It's becoming big big here yeah I would say it's growing faster than the other spaces and there's a

big opportunity there see the thing is right there are a lot why does somebody buy Prada it's not for the quality of the fabric it's not for the design element it it's to signal to people that I can afford Prada it's the story of Prada yeah but that's after Prada is Prada yeah when Prada is not Prada yeah and it's just launched no but if you look at all these see Prada is no Longer Prada Prada is part of a big conglomerate where the story is very muddled if you look at lvmh if you look

at King which owns Gucci if you look at Burber their sales are declining for the first time in a multi-decade period they're starting to fire 10% of their stuff I feel like that notion that luxury is not mass produced but is handmade this Artisan worked on it for four hours 5 hours he personally did this on the show I'm talking about a new Brand I'm talking about a startup I think a brand like that can really work yeah I feel like I'm not invested in these guys yet but I've been considering it for a year

now there's is a story that could work yeah so that was a or question would a model like that work like like establishing a brand outside of India and bringing it back to India no I think we have to break that Colonial thing I don't think we should have Arin Mills Throwing out Brands like Louis Philip and Peter England they're getting manufactured in Chennai and you know all these places but they have these foreign names and foreign models and people bite assuming they are a foreign brand I think at the core we have to hit

at foreign is no longer better but how will you change that mindset but why hasn't happened it's a tough it's a tough thing to sell but I feel like you guys are partly the answer to it as well if you Start wearing see you people in society that Define what is cool you should look Inward and build Brands versus outwards and build Brands we want to I'm I'm sure he he already has but I'm I'm just saying it's always the fear of everyone you meet says you know there's so many other existing things so many

people who have tried and failed just like you said why would you enter a place where there already so Many but everybody who tried to mimic somebody is failing but if you do something Indian luxury authentic cool cool is defined by you guys you control that but if you show x amount of work went into y product and charge according to that and clearly distinguish how more work went into this shirt than a Prada or LV or a foreign brand shirt I think like I only buy Indian products now like and I've been vocal about

this for a long time more and more people Will start to believe it's coola there is a crazy big Market in India which is very affluent which will pay a certain premium for the sake of the premium for the bragging rights that come with it if you pricee a shirt at but how do you when you just start and nobody knows of it you can how do you just make it feel so cuz that itself is your PR if you start a shirt and sell it at 15,000 rupees you might find it hard to sell

it but if you prize a shirt at 1 Lakh rupees indian-made via story around it it will sell itself to a certain extent you conveniently digressed and made this about me from this being about you are you looking at me he did I know huh music H it can't be so simple so when did you start like writing and everything I started writing I was always a writer because I couldn't Express so I used to write means since when And then I used to pen it down I don't know why uh and then it became

a thing I started writing I started rhyming things what age was this at school school or uh and how do you just start writing how does that happen like I listen to songs I've never felt like writing a song I love writing so it started with you know LCS to sing along it started from that get down get down pause get down get down [Laughter] play that's how it began the want to be cool seek some sort of validation from I said the same thing right on validation is looking at me I'm like what is

going on everybody seeks some sort of validation in in a in a lot of people and that's how it began like writing that's as College engineering colle Eng you know the likes of Rishi Rich Punjabi MC Bali suu they were blowing up M and and these people on the other side of the globe were putting these sounds together and it was just beautiful like as as as an audience like Goosebumps you know then I wanted to explore it more Compu TLO and passion mixing [Music] Software is this easy to do even now if I'm a

budding songwriter who wants to produce as a softare it's easier than ever what what would you recommend which software splice it's not a software it's a website you get a lot of samples uh as a purist but it's make it's made things a lot easy you get loops you get drums but that also like Mars your creativity you know That that doesn't let you explore m an idea but yeah there are softwares and AI making a big difference bakas I hate I love Bas I love AI as a as as a businessman I would embrace

it mhm uh and I keep saying it time I think you can't fight something that's inevitable right I think yeah is inevitable so maybe like 3 4 maybe 5 years down the line not exclusive like a handmade sort of a thing but will people care the audience Yeah bragging rights even today it happens right some singers live don't do so well and then people talk about it ke live though he sucks and happens a lot like technology become a recording artist m uh you know life to life to life so the value for a Arijit

thing will never go down people like that never true pure art is forever going to be there it's What you give to the audience it's the experience that you give to the audience a visual experience it's what you give to the audience not necessarily abio Travis Scott is not the best rapper but it's the experience that he gives to his audience that's what it's it's about being honest with yourself I think eventually Live Events are growing the fastest right that's one industry where Someone who wants to get into music business that's one industry that that

is the only aspect of Music where they should invest immensely grow especially in this part of the world people are coming up with venue ideas and all because they feel like it's such a big I wanted to collaborate with Amani and Pitch it to Modi G by we don't have infrastructure somebody's trying to build Al INRI but that would be a game Changer okay fa so you started writing and then I started writing I started making music logo similar and then I met uh uh there was this guy in chandigar who was uh so I

was looking for the right music because I still did not know how to make music you know and then um I I came across honey who was doing underground stuff in Delhi insane insane underground stuff and I I I had heard of him Because music and that was a big thing but he was like you know insane music you should work together we started working together I used to write for him that was your first Big Break yeah like first big I was doing my job I was also government officer really yeah Rich Su nagar

him Pradesh you I did I did after college You right after I was out of my college for bbmb bakas management board I was I joined as an sdo subdivisional officer I was sent to a place called Buy in Himachal Pradesh where I used to operate Gates so tunnel or water canal Gates electricity so why why did you go for that you just like like that you know being with honey and writing for him and that's when I Knew there's no one else who's doing it we started and you were young you were like we'll

kill it so that gave me a lot of confidence borderline and the first song with with honey you started script writing and then when did you start doing your own script songw writing sting 2011 we parted B and 201 then I started learning production Then I produced a song called Saturday Saturday which was released locally um in 2012 which went Bonkers 2012 this is the same song that so that's the same song okay so 2012 it blew up 2013 Varun and Shashank were partying in a club in chandigar Shashank Katan is the director of the

film so they heard the song they tried to replicate it they couldn't so Dharma called me up they were like oh Saturday Saturday I like yeah that was the sort of confidence that we were riding on but then we developed a good that's how it who is azim music supervisor for Dharma yeah and then how did it change okay your song was picked up by Dharma and then and then they put it in a movie they put it in a movie but my first big break was a song called part I've heard the song of

Course and yeah I was about to say that I didn't like of of course I knew Saturday Saturday the rap but I didn't know you had produce the whole song yeah so I produced with one of my friends who taught me how to produce such a Tucker shout out because I remember the rap in that yeah which very cool how hard is it to learn how to produce if I was a young kid and I want to produce my own song not really hard a month would if you're Totally into it how do I learn

it YouTube tutorials you can learn how to make a bomb how to make a bomb so I go to slice I learn how to make a beat splice splice no you go to YouTube first I'll suggest you go to YouTube learn production and once you learn the inrig cases of production you go to all these websites that give you samples so you is it expensive to buy the equipment needed no no you all all you need is a laptop and a Midi like final output speakers 12,000 yeah so what would you say to a young

budding me who's a who wants to produce a song some tips I want to become popular and rich don't do it why get into stocks if you want to be rich same answer do you like are you passionate for music Then you should do it so I should have a innate 100% then you will be a successful one time and it's all a matter of time JayZ once said that the only genius thing that I did was not giving up if you're truly passionate then I think it's only a matter of time and that's the

biggest challenge I think beautiful though yeah he's got some crazy quotes yeah one of his quot which is not actually his But something that I also just said but I think it's the same story when you're like yeah it's it's all about not giving up and I think that depends on your passion there is no other way to define it if you're really passionate passion and also some sort of belief that you know you can n it's easy to give up yeah it is so it's so easy to give up but I I think you'll

always love to play cricket since I'm was say8 N I can't think of like a lot of times they ask me okay if you were not a cricketer what else would you become I said I have no idea cuz I struggling cricketer yeah a struggling cricketer I've never thought about what else could I do I said okay worst thing if Cricket didn't work out I would have played some other sport maybe I mean that's it's never that's all you know because that's you love it So much I think in some way that helps I think

for me it's a little different I think I fell in love with acting after you started acting yeah while I started doing it you're a very diligent person you know that yeah I have that thing I want to give it like my 100% and do it properly but uh I liked doing it I thought I could I thought I had it in me to do it so first belief came from that I was enjoying it but actual love for acting happened a Little later where I got way deeper into it I know so I feel

like it takes it took me some time I was not one of those who done like more than just you know it's light you both are in an industry where it's a finite curve of time you have a Peak at a certain age and is there insecurity around that um there's no insecurity but There's there's a feeling of at least for me there's a feeling that all this ends and for me it ends pretty quickly you know what age does it end at I mean if you're if you're healthy and fit enough if you can

carry yourself then maybe till 40 you can play till 40 that's a Max am's played yes there are there is Ms doni who's playing his 43 now and he's still playing you can play the IPL and all of that but not um not at the international level for for too Long so there's so how do there that fear that all this I don't know if it's fear but there's all fear come realization that the shelf life is really small for an athlete and you need to make the most of it within whatever whatever time you

have is that a trigger to anxiety because your importance amongst your peers or amongst people even goes down at that point slightly no the for me the anxiety was like I think When when I hit 30 I could I could see the end of the tunnel till I was 29 I I couldn't see that I'd never thought about oh there is you know Cricket's going to come to an end at some point so it was some weird thing that happened the minute my 30th birthday I was like I could see you know I probably 10

more years left to play cricket and that gave me a bit of like um anxiety and that's the first time I Felt like it's it's comes to an end at some point CU all I've done my whole life was cricket cricket cricket without knowing when without ever imagining that it'll ever come to an end now you can you can probably I mean I can see it it's it's not too far away now so what happens after it ends rul um I don't know that's that's something that is um that's part of the reason why I've

uh You know I've started thinking about businesses and started thinking about investing my money right so my life after Cricket can be taken care of um I know there'll be a huge dip in the amount I earn once I finish Cricket so um yeah that's where and and covid for me happened at that right right time where it gave me time to sit and really do some research about how can how can I invest money I don't come from a family where you know Like you generally lean on your on your family to guide you

when you when you start earning so I didn't have that guidance so it's very new for my my dad as well who mostly helps me with my finances so give me some time to understand what do I need to do how can I invest and and yeah I met some good people and and I had good friends so they they gave me that guidance and through covid I started understanding that so that's what I'm Trying to do um and and hopefully I can set up a few things before I retire so once I retire can

you know that that transition from being an athlete to doing something in business might it might be smooth and will make me a bit more happier than not knowing what I'm doing you Cy uh I don't I don't know if it causes an insecurity or not I think would you say I don't want to act till I'm till I can function would you Say the age curve is similar you Peak as an actress up until 40 yes but I think there's a little difference of if you if you evolve and mold yourself to what you

should be doing after a certain age and don't shy away from that for example after a certain age you cannot play a college student you know even though Amir Khan has done it It's just tough physically you look a certain way which Beyond a certain point is not in your hands so no matter how well you Maintain yourself no matter how you know uh you will age and you have to be mindful of that so while yes I do want to work I do want to act you know um till my body allows it until

I can I know that at a certain point I will have to understand that Ro I cannot do it I need to transition to something which suits me and Suits my age and a different kind of character different kind of a film but I still want to keep going I feel like It's it used to be a lot more limited earlier sh you you know at least for women it used to be like that and I feel like right now it's very different whether you see a uh babo or you know Priyanka or so many

people who got kids and they've got them back into shape and they're working and they're like at it you know um Vidya so many of them so you just have to be mindful of you can't be stuck in a particular Zone and be wanting to do the same thing and then Feel rejected that you're not getting that I think I mean I don't think it's hit me yet it will at some point but I'm not like unaware of it you don't have that issue now as a of course we have yeah yeah time is how

old now he's see again uh as a musician there is no age as an actress there is no age you can act till you die to stay relevant is yeah the challenge Uh which was you do the same thing but you suddenly someday stop being relevant what phenomena how does it happen why does it happen I don't know feel like you got to evolve and 100% keep up with the changing time 100% I mean djit paji has been singing for so you have to and I'm trying to figure it out you always have to be

open to Learning always always is that a big thing prec precur to success ability to change fast Absolut faster than competition absolutely ability to be okay not knowing everything and to be willing to change absolutely like you do not know anything and the ability to adapt yeah the sooner you adapt the the greater you will be in your [Music] your the one thing all of you have going For yourself is the aura of coolness you're also relevant because you're also cool I don't know which one comes before the other how important is this Enigma element

how important is being inaccessible towards building Enigma I really honestly you don't work on it actively no n I'm not very sure if I even feel that I'm very Cool that is also cool yeah I don't think if I was like not thinking you're cool is also cool yeah I don't think I paid too much so my stylist sometimes we have this banter who who do I think is cool in terms of styling in terms of what it's cool I think Shah ruk Khan is cool why is Shah ruk Khan because there is this sense

of uh confidence in him while he's intelligent and he's witty he can still Entertain you make you laugh and also laugh at himself uh he can be Charming he can be yeah you're cool he can be Charming he can be like I think he molds himself in where he is he can make you laugh in a serious conversation I think that's cool i' I've said this to shuk before but I feel like he has this du du at play at every given point he's able to project arrogance and Humility in the same conversation and D

between one end to another in a very The Art of Getting Away with itly do duopoly Monopoly Dooly I feel like he does it so tactfully it's incredible to watch I feel like Whoever has a personality to get some depth into it you have to add an antithesis almost like if I know kti to be a nice Girl who is articulate did well at school did well did does what she's supposed to do I think kti becomes cooler when there is another element added to it it could be Mischief it could be not is it

could be her opinion of a certain thing I feel like shuk does that very well I think conviction is cool like I think if you're if you have conviction I think you basically somebody who doesn't second guess themselves and that helps In all three Industries right yeah what's your first favorite animal what what's your most favorite animal lion lion right what's your second favorite animal um M elephant what's your third favorite animal um a wolf a wolf yeah why I love that you know all this man say your favorite animal yeah I don't have one

two three no it's not like yeah but it just it is um it's the it's the pack mentality and it's the WF Pack yeah the pack mentality and the pack always stays together wins together brilliant answers I I'll come to you with the answers what's your uh first favorite animal most favorite cheah second yeah elephant third dog why cute is loyalty a factor loyalty always in a good mood loving yeah I love people who are always in a Good mood I hate people who take themselves too seriously I tell people like make fun of me

let me make fun of you there are these people who take offense over the smallest thing I don't hate anything more than that you know so hard to be around them forgiving people I love people who are forgiving if there is one underrated quality people I love is people who forgive when you're loyal you tend to forgive and you are so your first Favorite animal signifies okay first is actually lion second I would feel a horse uh the third is dogs I love dogs like I feel like they're loving they're loyal they're uh compassionate loyalty

is a huge Factor yeah for me as a person it is so favorite animal is what you project what people think what you think people think of You your second favorite animal is what you think you are and your third favorite animal is who you really are I'm a dog I'm a dog you're also a dog I'm a dog and you're a wolf mentality yeah I I never looked at wolves like that had a Fascination even though I did a film called Bia but You' be surprised how many people said snake I'm petrified of snakes

I'm very Sced I don't like reptiles I think has to go yes I do I already pushed continue for a bit please do bro miss me treat me like Mr India yeah okay talk to me nice seeing you guys [Music] now that K is gone we can talk like boys so let's start [Music] [Laughter] with in the world of boys no one Why you must have so much access now with all these videos and all of that we keep watching it on TV no one I'm not dating anyone I cannot you cannot it uh takes

away my focus in fact recently because they were distracting you distracting me which is which sounds a little selfish but answerability time division was hindering my in my mind a Higher purpose is a relationship important for feeling whole as an individual no no Rahul would disagree right yeah I would I would disagree depends on yeah it depends on the person what do you get from a relationship that he's not cognizant to be missing I don't know if he's Miss I can tell you what what helps me with my relationship um it's just having someone you

go back home to Who's you know who's who who loves me cares for me um regardless of my performance or what the people outside are saying she's my she's she's my safe space she is my Escape she's a lot of things she keeps me grounded um she's amazing by the way yeah she is amazing I'm very lucky I'm very grateful but um yeah just in general I think relationships help help you um like I feel like help you stay a lot more focused um and I have been out Of relationships and played like while I

was before I dated AA I was single for a long time and I can confidently say that there were a lot like my mind would wave a lot more then than it does now stability yeah yeah yeah makes a big difference at work stability massive massive for me for me it does it's different I go back to my parents yeah yeah for that like I think that purpose is solved by me being around my parent family is family you no one can Take that place but in the same way no one can take the place

of your partner like I don't don't think that's that's a um that's something that anyone else can give you that I I I think it's very important for at least important very important for me it's that's that I have that stability and that love and and you know that partnership was also like you know same age we still like you know finding our own cell finding our own individual Cell still working still doing our things we'll still give our space but you know we always come back to each other and it's not it's not that

you feel feel like there's a compulsion to come together but you just want to you just like both of you just come together at the end of the day and and it's beautiful yeah do you think we missed anything today what do you think about relationships I get into trouble each time I talk about relationships One Last Train for the sake of someone who does not believe I think think relationships are wonderful but I don't see the need to tie what is a wonderful thing with a societal construct with a bunch of rules AG that

I might not agree with I feel like I can be madly in love with someone but not want to subject our relationship to the rules derived from society which might Have worked for some other people but I like being in relationships I'm like a relationship junkie I've been in a relationship all my life I can't think of a time when he was single yeah ask him I've never been single but what do you think we missed we started off today trying to achieve one outcome how to help a singer rapper producer a cricketer a actor

who wants to make it what can we tell them that they might Not have seen cuz it's it's a more nuanced advice and not something generic is there something else like a tip 20-year-old wannabe singer I I think more producer not singer as a musician I think the prerequisite would would be the want why do you want to do it like and if the want is you love music then you should just be original and it's Easier said than done I mean because you start by listening to someone and you get inspired and then you

subconsciously copy them but everyone in this world is different and you need to so this is what this is where I come in this is where help comes in Be Inspired don't be influenced Be Inspired which is fine you are as unique as your DNA that is my story and that is cool That is me and people will listen to it if you say it with conviction if you if if you have a reason to tell it to people do that and uh do not give up the biggest virtue that is going to help you

is patience while you make it even after you make it you just learn to be patient and that is something that I'm learning revisiting being patient because once you become successful you become less Patient that's the most stupid stupid just just to have like I guess we missed what a big part um the fight in you pleas the you need to have a little bit of a dog in you you know you need to need to have that like you keep saying hard work everyone does hard work but how can you can you work like

outwork someone else who your competition is is what will set you apart from someone else yeah can you yeah I think Patience and hard work over a long period of time with patience yeah is what's very important P May huh as an entrepreneur as as an investor as someone who wants to be a successful businessman who does not know who's want to be businessman like me because of the to Leverage The Brand yeah don't do something like we discussed earlier where too many passionate people are competing over Passion stay away from anything that is cool

today stay away from the Flavor of the Season these tend to be hard expensive spaces to enter and pick a sector first then focus on what company you want to build in because you want Tailwinds and whatever you're trying to build sector just sector ji what do I think as a sector as a industry will be five times as Big 10 years from now as it is today spend as Much time as you can researching what that sector is then figure out what to build in that give me an example of a sector Health Wellness

Health Energy trans as a sector you should yeah I feel like we spend so much time figuring out what product to build but very little time figuring out how well the sector is doing today and likely do in the future I feel like a lot of effort has to go in towards researching that yeah it and is it does it I mean is It the same way like how I said you need to like you know you like he said as well you need to have a lot of patience with with our type of work

where you know you you'll not see success for a long time but you still need to keep doing what you do and then you find it or in business it is be real about it if it's not working then just say no it's not working and and move ahead in my experience I find like something either works from the very beginning or it Never works at all really yeah there's no in between very beginning is first couple of years one couple of years because a lot of people keep waiting for like 5 years 6 years

7 years thinking it'll turn around those tend to be leading projects if something is not working ditch it fast the only finite element the only finite element here is time don't have a ego about your failures dump them faster than the next guy cuz at the end of the Day time is the only finite thing and you will try something and something will work sorry greed on last question time normally do one two years or maybe two years let's assume two years I feel like if two years May You' have not gotten any traction or

significant traction you should reconsider yeah but I feel like India is the place to build companies right now uh so much money is coming in from Outside chasing entrepreneurship in India we living here have this uh proximity Advantage I might know him from my area I might have heard heard of him from 10 other friends it's significantly easier for us to pick Industries and companies and people compared to foreigners I think we should use that advantage and field more entrepreneurship in India yeah thank you thank you guys Thank you so much for coming and uh

thank you everybody enjoyed it bye done but