[Music] and now from beyond our Dimension this is the Jeff Mara podcast here's Jeff my guest is Christine dorsy who during her near-death experience saw her own tree of life and was ministered gifts she would then grow into as an adult Christine thank you for joining me and welcome thank you Jeff for having me I appreciate it well we're excited to have you and if you don't mind let's start on the day that this nde happened and go from there okay perfect so I'm going to start a little bit prior um I was in kindergarten
and I was in Catholic school and I had a terrible stomach ache on a Friday afternoon came home uh was violently ill all day the next day Saturday same thing just really sick that night my parents took me to an area hospital called St John's we lived in Queens New York which is where I'm from originally and I remember going into a very crowded ER and the doctor gave me this horrific green medicine um and the reason I remember that is because when we came home I proceeded to vomit the green medicine all over the
couch um I felt really horrible the entire night everything really just got worse um and I can tell you I vividly remember almost every aspect of this event to the point where the next morning which was a Sunday morning I sat up in the living room and screamed because what was happening was my appendix was bursting in that moment in the house um at that point you know my mom and my dad were just you know you know horrified and I always tell the story my dad is a 100 was 100% Sicilian with a very
a little man with a big personality we'll call it that uh very upset very aggravated he had also suffered from appendicitis at the age of seven I believe he had had told us and he was sure that that's what it was they then um wrapped me up in a lovely 70s colored afcan that my mother had knitted we went into Volkswagen Bug and I remember going right to Elmhurst general which was a different hospital I remember getting into the ER and at some point ending up on a gurnie and looking up at what to me
looked like a doctor he could have been a nurse he I'm not sure who he was but having this overwhelming feeling that everything was going to be okay and at that point I was rushed into surgery so what had occurred was my appendix had burst and I had gone septic so uh it's pretty much a recipe for disaster for anybody let alone you know five and a half year old child the next thing I remember is being in heaven I do not not remember what people call the wormhole in or the Wormhole out and what
I've come to understand later on is that the reason I don't remember that is because at five and a half that was terrifying to me and so my mind sort of shut that part down because what I was to remember was the actual event itself and what I saw was nothing short of Absol absolutely stunning I was standing there staring at the most gorgeous field of tulips of every color you could imagine and the colors vibrated uh that's just the best word I have it's almost like they were singing and I don't recall at that
age truly seeing a tulip flower because my mom grew rose bushes so uh this seemed like a different kind of a flower and it was all that I saw it if I it was just Rolling Hills if I were to say was Acres of just tulips and I was up on a bit of a hill and I was staring down at all of these tulips that were very tall because I was very small and standing in front of me with his back to me was a man um he had on a robe with with what
appeared to be like a hemp type of belt no shoes I also had no shoes on I remember that because of the dirt on the ground I could see the dirt path and the way I would describe this man is he had a really bad haircut that his mommy didn't cut his hair the right way because at five and a half it life is simple so my observations were very simple um all I saw was the back of him and he started to walk and I understood that I should walk and follow him I can
tell you in that instant I wasn't afraid I wasn't scared I wasn't cold I wasn't concerned I was completely happy where I was and happy to follow him on this path I Then followed him down this slight Hill that I talked about and when I looked over to my left I remember seeing the sun almost like I call it the perfect sun the Setting Sun like between 4:30 and 5:30 where it's still brilliant but it's not too hot it's just lovely and it was over to the left and we walked down the path and went
a little to the right and now we were walking no longer down a hill and what was in front of me was the most magnificent gorgeous tree and when I looked at it and I remember thinking this is the best tree that you could climb as a little kid I thought oh my goodness like the branches were low and it seemed absolutely perfect um I'm not an expert on trees and I remember a big tree in front of our house growing up and I remember vividly thinking I've never seen a tree like this and and
upon reflection as an adult I understand that that's what the tree of life images look like very much so so we stood in front of the tree and he turned to look at me and I knew it wasn't Christ but I knew he was someone special um he had green eyes like I do he had these gold beautiful flecks almost in his eyes like a sparkle um this Sandy brown hair again looked uneven kind of a wavy look uh facial hair on his face kind energy kind face again no fear at all really just completely
happy to be there and he grabbed a very big book and the book was interesting because you know again I'm going to go back to being a little kid when you remember books they're just all you know little hard cover books back in the 70s I'm dating myself but you know even paper hard covered books and this was a very thick book all of the pages were very uneven and it was bound almost by fabric I couldn't figure out it was very different but he took this book and he sort of flipped the pages so
it creates a little bit of a fan and he created just a little fan into my face so that I I giggled and I laughed and he said you two will know this book one day and I just smiled at him again sort of not really realizing in that moment what he meant but receiving all of it he then took my hand and we walked over to this little stream and all of the Rocks were very well-rounded like an old stream that had been there for a long time and I just remember holding his hand
looking at the water and looking at the stream and the next thing I remember was waking up in the hospital I was in ICU for 12 days in the hospital total of 17 days so it was um a pretty serious event when I got out of the hospital I remember just being very depressed depressed uh not happy at all didn't want to be here couldn't really explain my emotions because at five and a half it's a little strange to to try to understand why you're feeling so depressed to be alive and to be home you
know I should be happy I'm back home but I did not really feel that at the time um I did try to tell my parents what happened but you know and in all fairness back then um they thought I was a little kid who was on a lot of pain medication and you know didn't really hear what I was saying and maybe heard it but didn't take it so seriously and also transparency in terms of hospitals wasn't the same you just didn't get the details because I had many times asked my mom you know did
the hospital ever explain that there was something that went wrong that they had lost me for a temporary period of time and and she said no you know I I know they never said that to me but we we all understood that something strange happened you know something different happened because when I like I said came home I was very depressed I then um was going to sit for my uh kindergarten graduation and you know I would say the proof is in the pudding and so there's a picture that I had actually sent you which
was me at 5 and a half and the photographer trying to get me to smile and I I distinctly remember her saying you know why won't you smile like why what is it that a little five-year-old won't smile about and that whatever I could muster up is in that photo was the best smile I could give and that's really you know how I felt for quite some time um at that point then what I would say is compartmentalized The Experience because you know I was here now I was you know living so I took the
experience and I put it in the back of my mind and I grew up as a kid and what I think was one of the best things that happened is my parents moved out of the city to the Hudson Valley which is a suburban area about an hour and 10 minutes north of the city it took me out of the Catholic School system and took me into public school system I do believe everything happens for a reason and part of this was going to assist me in my own spiritual journey because I although my experience
may seem religious beyond the shadow of a doubt it's very spiritual and I am very spiritual versus religious so you know I'm growing up I get into my 20s and then these gifts that I was ministered in this experience the tree that I was shown the book that was shown to me now what starting to happen is my intuition is really waking up always had a really good intuition became very curious about Angels and Archangels and manifesting and energy of crystals and different beliefs yoga and meditation and understanding energy and the power of that when
I became a little bit older around my mid-30s that memory that I had compartmentalized came to the Forefront and now I'm realizing that here I'm an adult and I have all of these spiritual interest I have these gifts that are starting to awaken and I'm starting to find like-minded people and almost like a tribe like when they say you find your your tribe I found teachers I found mentors um and one of the mentors or I should say I came into contact with was a really wonderful medium out of Connecticut and when I was in
a session with her we we're talking about the experience and and and I should say what what I started to do was mention the experience like as a minute sort of piece of information I gave her but I wanted to hear if she could expand on it and she absolutely expanded on everything to the point where she understood who the person was who was with me as being John Jesus's cousin who's John the Baptist and that made total sense to me I really felt it in every core of my body that this was resonating perfectly
so as more confirmation to this fact right after I had seen her was around Christmas time I go into the city in New York City uh around Christmas as most people in the area do and as part of going down Fifth Avenue we'll sort of peek in at St patri Patrick's Cathedral it is beautiful and ornate and it's lovely and but at Christmas time it's always packed I mean shoulder Tosh shoulder you you can get into the entryway and that's probably usually as far as you can go well this particular time two weeks before Christmas
we went in and it wasn't crowded at all which in and of itself that was a big shock we actually sat down in a Pew just to sort of like sit in it and just feel the energy of the church and just kind of look around and I said you know why don't we why don't we just walk the Stations of the Cross I mean I've never done that here probably won't ever do that because you know the chances of getting in around Christmas time again I would believe are Slim So we did and it
was pretty magnificent they were ornate they were beautiful we walked all the stations a very big Cathedral and you get to the back of the church and I've never seen that behind the altar is a shrine to Mary and I went oh this is it was gorgeous really stunning so we just kind of like looked at that it was very quiet and there's one more station hiding in the corner one Statue by itself no one is there and again it's two weeks before Christmas this is mindblowing to me and I knew I was supposed to
step further and look at this well I went in and it was a statue of Elizabeth Elizabeth was the mother of John and carved into a little saying right there in the Statue was the story of how Archangel Gabriel came to her and told her she would give birth to a child late in life because the story goes she was older when she had John and he would baptize the Son of God and every hair stood up in my body it was just more confirmation and and I just felt like it was Elizabeth saying yes
it was my son that was him yes you know it's everything now is coming to a culmination that was your experience so I then you know leave and I'm I'm now in my in my working life what I was doing at the same time was I was working with clients and I had a clinic and it was a health related CL uh Clinic that I had and what I was beginning to notice with my clients was that we would have these very quick appointments and we would talk about what was going on for them how
they were eating that week you know any stressors and you know just kind of s sort of like all around sort of health and associated with food and weight loss at that time and I always had a great Rapport and a great clientele and if I should happen to miss an appointment because one of my children had a game and I had someone come in and substitute for me the clients would get very very very very upset and I started to notice this connection and then they were giving me feedback over time and they would
say again it's a 15minute appointment so they would say you know what I always just feel better being with you I could sit here and tell you what went on this week and I walk out of here and something is different and I started to really pay attention to that in addition with growing with my studies spirituality again connecting with mentors and then expanded into more of a wellness practice looking at the whole person and spirituality being a component of that and I started to dive deeper into how important that was in that sort of
pie chart of life if we're going to look at the circle of life although spirituality may be one piece how really really truly important that piece was and then over time I stepped further into my healing gifts and studied to become a raiki master integrated energy therapy at the advanced level certified meditation teacher ordained minister I do work with tarot and and oracle cards just as a tool and this has cultivated even more of a healing practice which is what I focus on now and it is absolutely one of the Wonder most wonderful gifts I
received from my experience and when I stepped into that beautiful tulip field and stared at this gorgeous tree I understood that tree to be my tree of life and he was showing me this is how full your tree is your tree will be you know it's strong it's purposeful it's Bountiful and and I really feel that that's what I've I've become is sort of a product of my purpose here and what my focus is so when I'm doing healing you know I yes I'm attuned to the raiki symbols and the IET symbols but you know
we're really bringing spirit in in a big way we're bringing the angels in in a big way and what I'm able to see as a gift is the traumas the stories that are stuck in people's bodies um and we're able to move that energy out it takes sometimes a few sessions but the point is that's a gift that I have the other gift I have um is deceased family members will step in at times and I put a a lot of protection around us during our healing sessions but if it's in the client's highest good
we bring those messages through um and and I do believe that that's directly related to my experience um you know I I have a very wonderful Mentor who who told me you know Christine you have the Ethereal flag up now you know they know everybody knows so so when that happens sometimes spirits will want to come and communicate or explain something and sometimes it's not okay so we do some tools and grounding and I personally do a lot of grounding and tools and protection so that it can only happen when I give it permission but
outside of that it's been absolutely a wonderful opportunity and I feel really blessed to and privileged really to be able to help people in that healing Manner and in a lot of ways when I think back to the experience and I look at who John was you know John is a a supporting cast member to Christ right he's he's in the background but so important and I feel that I'm very similar in that way with my clients I'm a supporting cast member to them I want them to flourish I want them to heal and do
well and I'm there to do anything I can to help them and in my mind there is absolutely no accies or coincidences in why this happened uh not only to me but really for me that's my story Christine thank you for sharing your story with us I'm GNA ask you a few biblical questions because I'm not up to speed on that was Elizabeth Mother Mary's sister oh you know no I think I think it was her cousin I think they were actually cousins was I think they were cousins and then so they were second cousins
if I remember correctly I could be wrong was John the Baptist also from a virgin birth so I don't believe he was from a virgin birth I believe the story goes that Elizabeth was considered Barren and couldn't have kids so I think she was trying do we know exactly the details no but I believe that's that's the background story so they are cousins um but that was his purpose in life I'm not saying you're wrong it just yeah what came to mind was a guest told me that the Virgin Mary's sister also had a child
via virgin birth yeah wow I'm not again I'm not religious so your guess might be a little more accurate yeah I don't know you also mentioned that John had a book what was that book of so I believe it's the book of spirit it's the book of spirit that I'm going to be telling it's explaining God spirituality everything that I will know and I will share that was a book that was for me and that's why I was going to know this book someday that's my belief do you think it's like a physical book at
some point that you will you know have your hands on or is it kind of a metaphorical book of your life I feel it's a metaphor book I if I I can't imagine that I'd have my hands on it but if I do I mean it it was it was like something I had never seen before and only as an adult when I recall what I saw can I understand I'm assuming in those times that may be what a book looked like that may be very common to be what a book looked like um but
I do believe that that book is metaphor mostly for me and my purpose in life I wonder if I'm just reaching here but I wonder if it even is a book that could be about you in the akashic records it could be yes at some point you may have the ability to see it there yeah that's true there's still time absolutely I'm open seeing the tree I guess you could basically say that you were seeing your future yeah I think I was seeing each branch to me was representing a different stage in my spiritual Evolution
and eventually what what it was is to become because I believe I'm still evolving obviously is this strong Bountiful purposeful beautiful tree and so I do agree with you I think that that that's very much what it was are there any elements of the tree that you can look back now and say oh that represented this thing in my life I think if I were to look back at the the beginning branches sort of those lowly ones that I thought I could climb easily I think that they would be climbing out of the area climbing
out of Catholic School no offense to the Catholics climbing into an opportunity to grow my spirituality by coming into the area than we then moved to that was a pretty drastic move back then but very purposeful and for sure instrumental in my path um it seemed that the the larger branches became Fuller you know there were more leaves up top and I just think that's stepping into my spirituality even more which is mostly like I said sort of like you know mid to late 30s till now is you know it's it's who I am it
it this is Fuller this is my life this is you know this is how I rule you know there's no other version of me this is me yeah some people may say that seeing John the Baptist will make it appear to be a religious based nde but you're saying it's not it was spiritual can you talk a little bit more about how you separate the two I think think in my mind what religion has done in a lot of ways at times it's created these boundaries and borders around a belief you know and it and
again this is my opinion I think if we look at who Christ was you know he was a rebel in his time you know he was going door too to people's homes and in spaces talking about what he felt was important you know talking about being a good person doing good and and and then over time as we know what happened as religion has taken it and turned it into many different things it's created Wars over it it's never the intention was never the intention so that's why I say you know it's not religious I'm
not saying that he wasn't part of that time he absolutely was but I like to refer to it as spiritual I like to give it a nice beautiful General experience because it's for everybody it's not for one religion it's just my experience it was spiritual and it's it's a beautiful experience for everybody I don't want to segregate into religions I don't believe in that I know you were only five but at the time is it possible you had some even little gift that you were kind of barely aware of but didn't really know how to
use it um I would say when I reflect back I always had a very good intuition and I always had um nightmares so I I tend to think that maybe I was seeing things quite often but thinking they were dreams and when I say things I mean people who have crossed over uh and I have certainly read a lot about that that that happens with people sort of once they they cross the veil and come back it you know you have that ability to see that um I do think that that might have been the
case and then I shut it down because you know once we get to sort of the age seven and eight we can sort of like just start to close it up a little bit um but the intuition part has always has always been there and I do also believe that maturation was a big key so I had to get to certain stage and age in my life when these gifts were ready to become fruitful you know I sort of have turned it as like I feel like seeds were planted back then and they were dormant
for a while waiting waiting waiting until it was time to grow um incidentally I'm just going to jump back to the Tulips I then looked up the spiritual meaning of the Tulip because I was trying to understand why they were so significant and in one of the definitions I found it was like pure and perfect love was the definition of a tulip and of course of course it's pure and perfect love to be in that that space and in that energy and in that realm have the memories of the experience faded over time no actually
the the opposite they're very Vivid and I've been told that uh more will come and I I think that again has to go with the maturation you know like the more I'm mature and ready the more I will then step into more of the memory of it but I never it's it's extremely Vivid it's really extremely Vivid um so I'm grateful for that it never leaves it just never leaves yeah is it something that you find yourself thinking about it every day um I don't think about it every day but I do feel very connected
to Spirit so I do feel that every day I have a certain routine we'll call it and it's sort of my my grounding and my life force and it brings me Solace and it's a combination of meditation and prayer um that works for me so in a way it has really created this stronghold to the spirit world myself to the spirit yeah since your experience have you seen John again even if it's only been in a dream uh I have not seen him but I have felt him and um the way it has happened which
is very interesting is uh it's like my heart rate picks up very quickly and then I I get goosebumps and it starts at the bottom of my legs and on the way up and he'll put a thought in my head um just one example was that um I was trying to think of a book that I was going to share with a client and I couldn't really decide on on this particular book that I wanted to share the information with and all of a sudden it was very powerful and direct of like this is the
book and the funny thing was is I I sort of went around the house and I looked in a couple of cabinets and it was like a book hiding underneath a whole bunch of other books that I hadn't seen in years and it was like this is the book and I I looked the book and I was like oh yeah this is the perfect book you know it's so that's an example of like feelings I'll get it it doesn't happen all that often but but I feel that he's very much present when needs to be
you know and uh will come through that way so that's been really pretty incredible yeah do you fear death at all um I don't fear death I think I I understand grief though you know I have a lot of clients who are dealing with grief so I'm not flippant about that powerful emotion associated with death I do know I know what's waiting but I understand our human process here that we have to go through so I'm very respectful of the entire process well when people that you know are grieving especially over the loss of loved
ones yes what kind of advice do you give so typically with my clients who are grieving we will do energy work uh that in and of itself really alleviates a lot of grief when they come to and if their loved one has come in with a message for them something I would never know that only they would know that moment is so healing because it could be a joke it could be something simple like talking about something they ate for dinner last week just to know that their loved one is there with them is also
so tremendously healing and I acknowledge their grief I never I never want to take that away because I understand that it's their process but I also encourage them to step into their spirituality more to talk to their loved ones understand they're right there keep doing the work that we're doing and eventually and I've seen this they want to evolve out of their grief in a different way because you know especially I I've worked with a lot of parents who have lost children I mean that's a level of grief you know that's just incredibly terrible and
so that never goes away that hole in the heart but what they are able to do is create a life around the whole and evolve with that and that's beautiful and you know if I can assist in helping them with that then that's I'm doing my job you know when you do get messages from people on the other side do you are you Clare audient and hear their voice or do you just kind of get like a downloaded message that kind of comes to you it's more like a downloaded message so they'll show me in
my mind's ey a image and express the thought I don't quite hear the sounds um I will get feelings and it it depends on the person so um kids are really easy to come through which is beautiful and they're really clear with their communication um the older people are depends on the experiences the person had with the client and whether they feel comfortable enough to come forth and sometimes it's not in the highest good of my clients for them to come forth in the healing session sometimes it's just knowing the presence is there but I've
had um I had a client who was in her 60s and her dad came through once and specifically had a message you know I knew none of what I'm about to tell you about her thinking about moving and it was nothing I knew about totally relocating and moving and he came through and showed me a scene of how he looked when she was alive in their kitchen where he would sit at the kitchen table and the way he talked and it was exactly what she needed and it was so healing and so you know sometimes
that's the way they can come through so I know it's it's you know it doesn't always happen because again I'm very strict with the healing sessions and I it's only for the highest good of the client and um that's the focus is healing well after watching this podcast people may want to reach out to you and ask you questions are you open to that and if so how can they contact you sure so I have a website it's heliotrope heliotrope is h e l IO t t r o p it's a Greek word so it
means a flower that follows the Sun so it's heliotrop holistic healing.com um there's a contact button that leads you to my email Christine heliotrop poost healing.com so you I do um virtual healings I do Zoom sessions I do you know many different uh varieties uh that is my focus my purpose and my goal is to help heal and to help people um you know find their own peace at whatever level they're able to do well before we finish up can you give us one last positive message uh I really want to give people hope for
them to understand that when you cross over that there is just this Bountiful beautiful existence realm that's there for us um and that healing while we're alive is extremely important and if we can do even a little bit of healing at a time that our lives would be so much richer and Fuller and it is hard to heal but you know there's help there's always help so I hope that I've uh I've passed that on I hope that people can feel like there's hope and there's definitely help for healing Christine thank you for your message
and thank you for being my guest thank you Jeff it was my pleasure thank you thanks for watching the Jeff Mar podcast I really appreciate you another way to show support is through YouTube memberships and if you do there are loyalty Badges and other perks depending on your level of membership all you need to do is click the join button underneath the video to find out more thank you for your support