WITN x Lucy Hale

You're on um the biggest show in the world and and people are commenting about your body well but it's also like in a way being the it girl mattered for my character they are looking at my character being like it doesn't add up I mean that was just insane to like be on the periphery witnessing how challenging that had to have been you just handled it with such maturity and great I don't know what was happening internally or Behind closed doors like obviously you were dealing with a lot but you are such a professional that

you would show up you were like the most professional of all of us truly she just like the most professional of all of us and you would you would I knew that that was hard just like when I was struggling you knew it was hard but like you we have a job you show up you do the work and you leave everything at home join me Sasha petersa on women in the n Season 2 where we bear it all except for our bodies leave that to your imagination welcome to women in the n everybody this

is Lucy hail I'm like I'm exposing everything today I don't know about you but this sweater is coming off as it should yeah I've been waiting for you to come on I'm so excited you've been so busy travels I mean so have we but like it's crazy we always find the time I are you kidding me I'm so first of all this is so cool and you're the Perfect person to have a podcast when I was driving over here I was trying to remember the first time I ever met you and I can't remember the

first time I ever met you but but I remember how old were you when we started you were like seven you're literally a baby you were like 13 right I feel like I was 12 when I did the pilot you 12 years old and the thing that always sticks out to me about you is that you have always been so unapologetically yourself and just like No no no you even at 12 I even at 12 you were so confident you were very kind but you you've always just been yourself and so when I'm I'm like

driving over here I was so excited to do this podcast and I'm just thinking of course you're the perfect person to host a podcast because you don't give a [ __ ] I love it it's great um I appreciate that it's interesting that it comes across that way because you know I mean of course we all have are insecurities and I don't Feel like I was that way but at the same time I do feel like yeah I mean i' I always try and like be authentic I think and I know you feel similar to

me in this where it's like I don't like to kiss and I also I hate I just can't I just I feel like maybe that's why I really admired you because I was such a people pleaser and I and I definitely like I admired people who could just be themselves and and didn't like try to fit the mold of what people expected I Feel like I've outgrown that a lot I feel like I'm oh you definitely less give a now but but it is like my brain always wants to revert to the oh be nice

be sweet the thing though is that I am a people pleaser in different ways okay so it it came out in other ways where like I wouldn't um speak up for myself like I wouldn't like actively kiss anybody's so like get something but I would also not say what I needed to say yes understood I think starting so young and not Wanting to make waves and not wanting to be the problem and not you know there's there's definitely layers there but I appr comes with its own set of fun little not problems but no for

sure yeah I think my parents always wanted me to to be confident and like they definitely like fostered a safety net where like I could be myself but there are just other things that that come with you know I mean we both started young um this uh I only wanted to say this because usually These podcasts start out with me gushing about you and but yeah but that's exactly why I wanted to bring it up because who comes I want to gush about you just for one more second and then you can gush about me

because I do believe the balance and duality of that but you really truly from day one sash you have always seen me truly you've always understood no matter what I was going through like you've always understood who I am and what I'm about And you've always just had my back and I I have always had your back will never ch um I I love that you you say that um I I I I do feel like I've always seen you I I feel that as well and I think like I don't know it's just we

we went through a period of time together where like we might not have been the same age but there was such a teething period and there were so many changes in our lives as well as becoming our own people and Like becoming a woman we also had so many different outside things or things that were really close to us shifting that were both great and both really difficult yeah you know there there there were a lot of obstacles pretty liars was such an amazing thing for both of us um I feel like in the same

way but also different ways um it was such an amazing turning point in social media and who we had access to and all the things but because of that there were a Lot of different challenges that happened and I feel like ultimately you have always been kind to me and that's also something that I think you you know I want to equally gush about because I don't remember what we were testing for but that particular pilot season before PR Liars I was seeing you all the time we like kept seeing each other at things yeah

um and IID also I don't remember um the show Name now and I love her the girl that played your sister privileged privileged my parents loved that show I mean I loved it too so like it was a show that we would sit down and watch and then I like would see you and then I would see you and and Stu so I think it was just like I I admired you um for your talent and then coming across you even though in the beginning I obviously didn't know you you were always so kind when

you didn't have to be you know like we go to Auditions especially when it's like that type of thing where Pilot season doesn't exist anymore pilot season was so like uh intense everybody was like this is my my one chance in life and everybody just felt so so good throat we were so young I know right but um you were always kind you always said hi you always you know it was like oh nice to see you again like you but I felt genuine about it rather than it being the opposite like like we both

experienced so yeah I think That Not only was I really excited for the show but it also felt um in a way familiar before we even started yeah so I think um that W so we go way back yeah we do and I I it's I think it was probably honestly it was probably just that pilot season where we really started seeing each other which is only a couple months really um now we're on a couch with a bunch of really comfy blankets yeah it's cool it's been it's been a really um you you have

been Around in my life for very important Milestones oh likewise for real I mean yeah it's great it's really cool I never got to see like a a playback of the spe the when you gave me my award recently my no no no no no it seriously I think about that I will never forget you showing up for me in that way and the words you spoke and the intention behind which you spoke them it meant so much to me I do have a recording of it on behalf of everybody in her Corner we Are

so imly proud of you since then Lucy has helped so many with it Lucy is a magnificent example of the magic that happens when you Choose Yourself she has unmasked and stripped the facade allowing for healing herself and for countless women in the same position I'm so honored to present you Lucy with a 2024 Friendly House humanitarian award I told myself no tears today and then Sasha comes in with the sweetest introduction ever it means so much to me That you are here I can't even put into words you are such a sweet special soul

and let the tears flow you're amazing Sasha's amazing everyone listening Sasha gave me this award and you just gave this speech that I don't know it was just very moving and once again I was like you just you see me you you I cry all the time I I used to apologize for crying all the time but I think I've just realized I'm a sensitive you're sensitive I think yeah It's it's a strength for sure but in that moment I was like for clarity purposes I'm not going to cry got to get this out like

I wrote this I want cried I cried so much it was it was very sweet ridiculous special moment I was like I hope people can hear what I'm saying um through my tears I think kind it was a happy moment though you know what it's like I think for so much of my life even outside of work industry career stuff I I I very Often felt like I was misunderstood and felt like people didn't value the person I am or just didn't even feel seen on like a basic level so like having someone like you

show up for me years ago and and and it wasn't even like a spoken thing it was just like energetically I knew that you got what I was about and then to have you speak those words 15 years later and like truly it was just kind of like you just feel like part of my soul family I don't Know how else to explain it but it's it's a good feeling all we want at the end of the day is just to feel valued and and seen not necessarily for the things we do but just for

the inherent people that we are yeah absolutely I I I couldn't agree more and I think you know I I think we got to a point too um with all of our press we like I just wanted to do press with you it's like this is this is so it's just it it made it easy you know it was Just so like um yeah it made things that could be stressful enjoyable and it was always kind of like we're in this together my gal my gal yeah yeah absolutely I was so honored that I could

give that speech writing it it was just like a reminder too I think of just the journey that that we both had so amazing to share that with you but also and I and I hate saying okay I'm going to side side step here when somebody because this can be so condescending this phrase That I'm about to say which is I'm so proud of you sometimes people say that and they're like instead of being like I'm so happy for you or I'm so excited for you like I'm so proud of you and it's almost it's

like that condescending I understand but I I've actually made it a habit to tell myself I'm proud of myself because I think we're like taught that if you say those things to yourself that it means you're narcissistic or egotistical or selfish or whatever and So I actually I think having pride is different than having a big ego so so I accept that good because I am not be for any other reason other than like when you see somebody grow like so proud of I'm proud of like the work that you put into yourself like I'm

proud of your journey I'm proud of you for sharing it in the the most like genuine way like from an admiration Place rather than like I don't know that it can just that that phrase can have multiple meanings And I I want to stress that like in the best ways possible I'm so proud of you thank you I feel that from you I do have a question because one like naturally when we are open with people in general um especially in the public eye it's it can be a mixed bag so now you've been open

with your sobriety Journey what was the most surprising thing to you about like sharing that with people well for so long I tried to hide certain parts of Myself that are really vital parts of my character I like I tried to hide the darkness I had I tried to hide shame things that that brought shame I obviously tried to hide what I was struggling with um for years and like when you hide things about yourself it's a really miserable lonely isolating place to be in we all experienced that yeah um and I when I got

sober and a lot of my healing and journey of getting sober like it wasn't Like I just woke up one day and said you know I'm going to be sober you know it was almost 15 years of it starting from like a seed of oh God this is weird to it being really scary and chaotic and blah blah blah it was a really long journey that I kept private you know obviously there were people that knew and people in my corner and I had support and I had resources but I was so hellbent on never

talking about it publicly because I thought people Would be really disgusted by that or think differently of me or like the good girl image would go away or I wouldn't get jobs or people would be scared of me like I actually whatever I'll talk I have Gemini brain so I need to stay the course stay the course loose um but but when I you know I I had a long years and years and years of figuring things out and finding out more of of who I was as a person and when I got sober um

I guess it was about a year Year and a half in where I started talking about it openly and it wasn't really that it was like this strategic thing of and now I'm going to be a sober spokesperson no I just somehow transmuted that like pain and those shameful experiences into something that became powerful for me and I realized holy like what I've gone through people some people may connect to that and it might help people and so it just Kind of like unfolded naturally and basically I I spoke about it on Instagram initially and

then I started I talked about it on a podcast and and I remember after I did that first podcast I had this overwhelming sense of peace I was like the power is all mine now there's nothing anyone can say about me that I haven't already experienced or talk about right I can hold myself Accountable I want people to be a part of this journey with me because I like live to tell the story there were moments in my life I didn't know I was going to whatever that's dark but it's the truth like there were

moments in my life where I was like this is scary and I don't feel like I have the steering wheel and yeah truly Jesus Take the Wheel but but you know it just kind of felt it was like this inherent feeling of I think I'm supposed to talk about This and I really feel like it's going to connect with people and and it's and it's become the most beautiful journey and I really do protect myself from like reading what people are saying about me these days because I've realized like hm it's not good for my

mental health so I'm not going to do that and it doesn't matter and it doesn't it doesn't matter but what I have experienced from people I knew or strangers on the street or people that are struggling in the same Way like that connection has been un unlike anything I've ever experienced and it's given me a lot of purpose and it also helps keep me sober and it also helps to keep me wanting to evolve and grow like I love connecting with people yeah and at the end of the day I don't care where you come

from what you do we all experience a lot of similar things if you break it down to like a basic level and so even people who aren't struggling with Um people who aren't on the path of of sobriety like PE some people have still connected to the story because right it's interchangeable with it's interchangeable with with with their own you know quote unquote demons and so has it been a mixed bag I'm sure it has but for me it it it's a no-brainer to keep talking about it and to keep sharing my story and I

just my in doing so it's I just want people to know that you can be Yourself yeah cuz like my fear was always okay if I show up as myself with my past with my baggage with with all my fears etc etc are people going to like me are people going to show up for me are my friends going to stick around or you know continue the list and listen have certain people stick stuck around no but those W weren't my people right your people will show up they will stay for you and what I've

experienced which is so Beautiful is is the people that don't know me people who have supported my career like the amount of love and and support I've felt from those people yeah blows my mind so yes mixed bag it's so funny you say mixed bag because I'm trying to think of a name for something and the term mixed bag was like on my list of things oh that's weird synchronicities I love it I know yeah yeah I mean look I'm that is my happy answer I'm happy that that is Like what's come out of it

cuz I think we're like you're saying we're so we're always concerned about like perception um and I think for like a public figure perception could mean your livelihood like I think we always and I mean I think that also goes for everybody like whatever your job description is or whatever your like um you know your something that you you find is like detrimental to your life If it threatens everything right then and It be it it's really it's really serious and it can seem like it's unavoidable and scary and and in some ways it is

right um but there is something so powerful about owning your narrative which is exactly what you're talking about like taking that power back no matter what anybody else says this is the truth and take it or leave it like this is me this is what it is and like you're saying people stick around or they won't the right people Will stick around exactly and I think people when someone walks into a room and they're just so themselves you people feel the energy of that and you either like it or you don't but you have to

respect it totally and so that was what I was most surprised about is like you know coming out as a young female in the entertainment industry talking about struggling with alcoholism like yeah that's really scary to talk about like uh but but I I was like I have to have The courage to be a little tarnished and just be a little raw and fragile and and just ultimately just be myself and that's empowerment to me though is is you know I'm sure you experience oh absolutely we all go through my my flip side of it

was like all of my health issues I I didn't know what was happening so there was an aspect of like like you're saying like the chaos of like feeling like you don't have any power over the situation I didn't have I No idea what was going on with me and that was also like very publicly a visual thing it wasn't just like something that I could you know um keep from people it was like even though I don't know what's happening there's this portion of like vulnerability because you're on um the biggest show in the

world and and people are commenting about your body well but it's also like in a way I I I got to the point where I was like you know what I of course like People shouldn't be attacking somebody in this way but at the same time like I was a character that they regardless if they were fans or not um to many people are supposed to look a certain way and in our show flashbacks you know it was a really big part of it it really mattered um being the it girl mattered for my character

so separate like my feelings from it and what people should or shouldn't be saying they are looking at my character Being like like well it doesn't add up right it didn't to be fair the way that uh yes yes continue and then I have thoughts I have thoughts I have thoughts um and I and I and I I will like round out my thought on this um but I want to hear what you think about this but if I take something like continuity um taking like all sort of like rights or wrongs or feelings out

of it it's like um if you look at Alice flashback history of everything that Happened on that one night I was like 10 different people right from hair color to hair length to body typ guess what remain the same that yellow top baby that [ __ ] yellow top remains so you know when people think of like a storyline and what a character that particular character is supposed to be I went from really fitting it to really not and I think we were at a time where certain things were shifting in a positive light like

we were the Narrative for women The Narrative for women was starting to like be talked about more and there was a little bit more um empathy I I guess would be the the way to but it was also being it was being taken advantage of in like the same way that was brutal sash like that is brutal to have to go through but but the upside or the the the the positive side to that was that I got to the point when I figured out what was wrong and I had a diagnosis it Changed everything

everything M because then it became my power mhm yeah I got I got to talk about it people on the street like you're saying like they connected with it I'm going to cry again love before we push record on this podcast we cried about our dogs so it started out tears are good man tears is just how many times will I say energy in this podcast I've already said it like five times but tears are energy moving it's good yeah No Let It Flow it is good I love it but your thought I haven't cried

yet I haven't cried yet I mean that was just insane to like be on the periphery witnessing like how challenging that had to have been I think you just handled it with such maturity and great I don't know what was happening internally or behind closed doors like obviously you were dealing with a lot but you are such a professional that you would show up you Were like the most professional of all of us truly she just like the most professional of all of us and you would you would I knew that that was hard just

like when I was struggling you knew it was hard but like you we have a job you show up you do the work and you leave everything at home right so you handled it with Grace and maturity and kindness and damn it's just I can't even imagine what that was like but what I was going to say this is supposed to be my job on The podcast I a it's it's a day it's a day it was a new moon yesterday you know that your emotions may be a bit heightened thanks but it's good this

is beautiful this is beautiful this is beautiful what I was saying is the most important thing I've learned in the last couple of years one of the most important things is that nothing in life is personal and when people have you heard of something called the mirror Theory or mirror Work I I'm not going to explain this in the best way but it's essentially um like all the good qualities I see in you it's because they live in me all the things that make me angry about someone else it's because I'm actually angry at myself

so that makes Tot so it's this whole concept that we actually hold all the power and so we attract certain things into our life or like like attracts like law attraction kind of kind of vibe but with Mirror work it's essentially like if someone has the audacity to comment about a young woman's body on their favorite show and actually take the time and energy to type there it is energy again type the words the hateful words yeah that is only a deep reflection of their hatred for themselves and they're they have an outlet and what's

an easy Outlet a big TV show with a beautiful woman whose body is changing who they also feel like I think in so many ways won't see it yeah well shocker we do we do um and so my whole point is like obviously you're human and those things hurt we're human beings but what I've what I've realized in how I have more empathy going through what I've been through it it allows me to have more empathy for why people are cruel sometimes because people that are cruel are are the people that are in the most

pain totally and the people who are avoiding their pain um the most and that Makes me sad because I don't know if those types of people hopefully will ever get to the core of what's hurting them but it's it's it's just like it's a vicious cycle and but I do agree with you that it has gotten there is a much different narrative around the female the physical female body and like also for me I don't know how you feel but I guess it's normal when you're in your 20s to like Purely focus on the way

you look whereas now as how old are you know I'm 29 I feel like I'm 40 there's anything wrong with being 40 but I think something happens where you realize like yes it's important to nourish your body take care of your body exercise all the things right take care of your vessel it's very important that we take care of our body yeah but it becomes more of like oh but what am I doing to get my like Soul right yeah and That is where real power and beauty is is like I don't care if you

are objectively the most beautiful person in the room if you're soul is ugly no one notices because like that inherent light is what is the most important to me yeah I completely agree have always had that from my point of view I've always had this like sparkly twinkly thing I mean this in the best way this was my therapy session today oh my God I love it you Know I I want to cry do no no no no I've been I've been crying so much recently um so this is good this is nice little break

it um I'm happy to talk about crying always because I think I've said it on the podcast already so sorry if you hear this again um but there's I I my mom cries at everything and it's one of those things where like I I never it was never super negative but it was always like oh she Would cry at the commercial and was like oh she's sensitive and and I could see people kind of make fun of her for it and so in my head it's not that it was her but I was like oh

I never want want to that way and so yeah but it's i' I've crossed over to like no that's a strength because people who are not in touch with their emotions oh yeah just like what you're talking about there there are bigger problems there and that's it's actually a them problem not A me problem it's never a US problem it's wait it's always always yes whatever you said I'm like no yeah no you said it um but no but it really is it's like I I'm at the point now where I I it's you know

I might joke about it but overall like I really am comfortable with it yeah um wait when is your birthday the 17th of February oh my God you're a Aquarius Aquarius how have we never talked about this I get along with would it be aquar Aquarii Aquarian aquari Aquarian that's cute I like aquar um because I'm a Gemini that's a air sign yeah I know I literally know nothing I'm not going to I feel like I always talk about astrology on things so I'm not going to I'm not going to no but I will get

your birth time after cuz I want to read your chart cuz I'm curious what your Mars and Venus are in I feel like you have you have a lot of water in your chart I can no no no I mean that It's a good thing I have a water Moon and so I'm a Scorpio Moon so it's oh Hendrick is a Scorpio Scorpio Sun I have no idea like soor okay Scorpio November 6th okay got it and then Hudson is a Virgo and I have a lot of Virgos in my life do you and I

don't mean that in a bad way but like my best friend and Hudson they're both Virgos um and I have lots of close friends that are Virgos I just they so did you know I don't know if I attract viros or what but there's Lots of probably like we attract certain kind of I attract a lot of air signs so a lot of Libras a lot of gemin a lot of aquarians but did you know I've recently gotten into astrology I'm trying to learn more but like I work with an astrologer and I just it's

blow it continues to blow my mind but so the sun sign so the sign you're born with you're uh aquar Aquarius Aquarius so that actually is the do you know you're rising in Moon oh Sasha okay know I'm Sor basically your sun sign is like the natural skill set it's that you're born with it's what you inherently know it's how you navigate the world right you know you just have these skills and they just come naturally to you your moon sign is super important because your moon is how you feel it's your internal world so

any feelings any emotions um how you feel about yourself like how you navigate relationships that's your Moon your rising sign is actually who you are and it's when people meet you that's the energy you give off okay and it's what and it's like basically what your soul is pushing you towards in this lifetime is is the qualities of your rising sign okay so so that's why when people are like uh here Gemini why do geminis get so such a bad rap you know why it's because people mistake the twins as to faced it's it's because

we both understand both sides of the Situation whatever conversation for a different day no no no I love it no but I want to hear give me your birth time after and I'll I'll figure out I I don't I wonder what you I I will I feel you got like some cancer in your chart I I mean I couldn't tell you yeah maybe what I find fascinating about astrology is like I think the little little that I know about it I think it's it's incredible like the um similarities and like things that are like you

know my Dad's a Scorpio Hendrick is a Scorpio there are certain things that are like yes they're related but there are definitely things where I'm like that that little Scorpio running around Scorpios are intense they're so intense they're so passionate and so great and anyways but yeah well there's a depth there's a depth there I love and yeah and it's it's fun to experience this little toddler with and he's like the kindest little dude on the planet like Yep there there that is yeah um you know it's it's just like the the little things that

I feel like are cool coincidences I think I got a bad taste in my mouth from horoscopes early on MH because every like Cosmo that I read or People magazine it was like basic basically like you can be this week because you know everyone blames everything on Mercury I actually can blame everything when Mercury's retrograde it's did you know it's Actually Mercury retrograde not in retrograde anyway when Mercury's retrograde it's my ruling planet so it actually very much but but it Mercury is a planet of communication and like technology so usually when Mercury's retrograde uh

commun my communication people communicating with me it's all flipped on its what what I will say about it is again with a little that I know about it there are certain things that are undeniable In our planet even just like um the way that the moon affects the tide like there are certain things where like you can't deny it science well it's also like okay the pyramids um here I go a bunch of like ancient civilizations I mean look at ancient Egypt alone everything was dictated by the Stars they built the Great Pyramids to be

in alignment with Orion's Belt yeah and and then across the planet when they apparently didn't Have communication the same kind of structures built with the Stars so I I feel like Earth is small we are but a small small part spec of something really magical and the only thing that makes sense to me is that the answers are like above and so I just fully the more learned about it and read about it yes there are people who are full of and are like you know they take advantage of that sort of yes but I

truly believe I've talked to some people who are very Very very gifted and and astrologers that I speak with are like very spiritual very like Godly women and and it just well there's I I I know a lot of um people that talk about it it's also like your higher self right let's go Sasha I I journal to my higher self every morning oh that's cool I do I believe we all have a higher self which is uh connected to whatever your concept of God is the universe Mother Nature whatever you want to call it

a power Bigger than yourself if you believe in that I personally do um but your higher self is like a direct link to God and so imagine like we're us and you're the passenger seat but our higher self is actually driving the ship interesting and it took me a long time to actually trust my higher self cuz sometimes you're like okay what the is going on but now I'm like okay what the going on I trust you take me wherever I'm supposed to go but I love that you know This concept of higher self the

higher self yeah and um I think I just I want to explore that more because I think that is fascinating and I don't know what that means for me yet but I like the idea of U you know contact you know like journaling to your high yourself I think that's really cool um I I do also and again I probably know less about what I'm about to say than I do about horoscopes which is just like um cuz Hudson thinks all of this is interesting And is the like Quantum oh the quantum field yeah no

Sasha Sasha you don't understand like I wasn't always this person okay but when I I swear to God when I got sober I had this like Spiritual Awakening where and by that I don't mean it was like this like like it it's it's I just a light bulb went off where I was like wait wait wait what's really going on why are we here what's my purpose what's my driving force why are all these Miracles happening around Me like and then I'm I'm like super super super super super obsessed with like quantum entanglement and reading

about physics who would have thought I didn't even graduate high school um but like but you realize hon like whether you believe in God or not there is like a spiritual yeah there's like codes of the universe like they've proven law of attraction is real like attracts like law of manifest you think about something long long Enough you feel it you feel yourself already having it well a month later it shows up like you cannot argue with science I'm sorry you can argue with me but you can't argue with science I and so I just

I'm like borderline obsessed with the Unseen and like breaking down why things happen and I'm going to have to talk to Hudson this is good he will love that this is really great like finally I can talk to somebody I'm here anytime come to call me ser Um yeah I mean I I you know I feel like I won't speak for Hudson cuz that that's you know his own Journey but like for me I I grew up in church and I grew up like literally teaching Sunday school I like I there are certain things that

I was just told and so I was told I told I was told it and I believed it wholeheartedly right and I think as you go through life whether you stick with that mentality or not um you hopefully get to a point where you're able to make Your own decision on that yeah my decision was basically like I and this you know to each their own I have a really really really hard time with um organized religion yeah just I I have a really hard time with it yeah um and however though I would never

categorize myself as an atheist because I am so spiritual I feel like something yeah and I don't even know like what the name is NE neily but it's like I've always been a spiritual person now I'm just figuring Out what that means what that means to you for myself I really relate to that I grew up in um I'm from the south you know religion is is like embedded in yep and and I and I look back back now and I'm very grateful that I had that upbringing because it really it's always been very easy

for me to know that life is Magic and that God is real like I don't know it's just this like AB but I agree with you that like for a while I really rebelled against What I I felt like certain things were forced upon me so naturally you want to rebel against that and I did for a long time and that didn't feel right either and so you know that is the great thing about being our own human is that we we all get to decide what we believe in we all get to decide what

God is to us and how that manifests in our life like we are all such powerful powerful creators and and manifestors and and what I didn't know growing up that I know now Is that we all have a Godlike energy in us and we can tap into this abundant energy source whenever we want and ask for help L I'm not trying not trying to make this like about God and religion but like that help is out there and and I've seen it work firsthand in my life I've literally seen Mir miracles happen in my life

when I didn't know what else to do I was like yeah I mean you know what I'm saying it is so exciting when especially for you like what a cool Place to be in that you can figure out what that is to you and what resonates and I think there's also a sense of when I really started making those true um I don't want to call them decisions because I I don't think that like it has to be like this is my decision forever I think it can evolve based on how I feel and that

sort of thing but it feels more detrimental now having a kid oh I'm sure because it's like like you're saying like we were raised in a certain way and And there are positives and negatives to that there are things there are there's a certain structure that comes from religion that I think can be helpful and and and bad you know it it depends on um what narrative is pushed on you it depends on the the level of love and hate that you've received um what you know what you're taught in certain circumstances how you are

taught to look at other people like there there are a lot of levels layers to that you know There there was always this thought process that was like that what is that quote it's like if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything it brought on like a fear there was also the narrative that is like um uh I was I got taught this in in church so much um that you you know better to believe than find out that you're wrong later hold on let me think on this Better to believe and and

find out that you're wrong and have lived a a life you know connected than to find out that you does that make sense it's kind of yes I think like am I getting this correctly but I yes specifically just specifically in like Christianity it was the Christianity um version of that which was like you know much better to follow this exactly and and and go live your life by this because um the worst thing that can happen is you're wrong at the End and so so ominous and scary right so there's a level of fear

there right and there are lots of things that I don't agree with um on that side and it's like no we shouldn't to me we shouldn't be living our lives in fear at all in fear at all um to me um you know whatever is out there whatever like you're saying whatever lab I we can talk about all day um whatever name you want to put on it like I I don't want to believe in a god that Is spiteful yeah and I I think at the end of the day you know well so it's

the thing is like it's like oh oh know if I misstep my soul is down I just feel like that is just humade Concepts from onto what religion is you know and I I don't believe that that's what it is a discourse is more so no no I believe I believe here we go I believe all religions at their core are good I really do um and I believe we all want The same thing all religions are saying the same they are literally thing in different words from different time periods uh I just I'm I'm

F I'm fascinated by religion and I I'm always curious to hear people's St point of view and and their relationship to and here's my other thing is like I I'm also at the point where like and I don't think I ever cross into this face I've never like hated a religion like I've never hated Christianity you heard it here first um but and and so to me it's like hey I'm cool with any religion as long as you're not hurting other people amen and that's where my line is crossed like absolutely I I feel like

if if this if if following something like gives you a purpose and it it gives you like a guide and and you become a better person and you stick to that because you believe in this awesome and if it gives you hope and it makes you sleep better at night And you you treat people better and like you take care of yourself because of it great I don't have anything to say about that but as soon as it starts hurting other people yeah I got issues I know I just wish we could all just stay

in our own lane you know wouldn't it be nice if we just all just kind of did what was best for us yeah and then not judge people for what they it would be great it would be so great but anyway that's that's my Point about like I it's not that I like don't believe in in God because I I am very much not an atheist it's just I just the history embedded in there's a lot of bagage with I'm sure you're definitely a lot of people listening to this feel the exact same way there

have been points in my life where I had to really work through that as well and find a a solid foundation for me to land on yeah yeah for sure and there is there is that stability in my childhood that I Had to fall back on which was like MH well you know there are loving parts of it and like it is a safety net yeah in some some capacity yeah so like it it's a it's there's a lot of like conflicting thoughts there but it's ALS to me it's also like you know what I

can believe what I believe and just like I'm giving that Grace to somebody else right it can also be for me MH um because at the end of the day like that's my relationship with I was going to say can I can I get An amen in the back exactly like like so anyway that's that but love we can't talk about aliens if you want so I I mean I love to talk about that there well do you believe in aliens we'll start there so I yes CU ultimately I I believe that the term aliens

is kind of funny to me because I think it's very natural for humans to think that they are the center of the universe we're all egomaniacs yeah yes uh it just it's like inherent that like you know um we're so Great that obviously it's us and I think that I think it's I'm not saying that anybody I'm I'm not speaking out against anybody in particular like I'm not I'm not saying anybody is stupid or bad for thinking that aliens don't exist I just think like personally um based on science and the things we do know

about the universe like to me it's like there are so many things out there why [ __ ] would we be the only also there is a documentary on YouTube I can't remember The name but it basically was they had figured out the statistic of how many planets in our solar system alone or stars or whatever could be in h uh inhabitable uh habitable habitable thank you habitable and it was like trillions there are trillions of possibilities and so I agree that like it is a scary concept to think oh my God like we're not

alone but but for me it's super easy for me and also kind of comforting to know that there's so much going on that We're all like a part of this really big puzzle and yeah we don't need to meet them we don't like nothing I would love to meet them I would love to meet them too but I think fear I think what's also silly okay there's two silly things for me there's two silly things and one of them is the fact that like they the term alien is I think is so misused you what

I call them what light beings light beings I do because I think there are like [Laughter] almost it's just funny like if I were hearing me talk about this but I believe there are like almost Angelic like presences that are of a different frequency which is why we can't see them like this is where me and Hudson would get thrown down because there's like the different dimensions there's like we're in living in the 3D we're going to the 4D whatever um but I believe a lot of these alien quote unquote alien uh Beings probably don't

live in our 3D reality which is why we don't see them all the time but it doesn't mean that they're not there all the time or so I mean yes because like ghost do you believe in ghosts paranormal I like again yes and no I just feel like our concept of what a ghost is is probably not exactly what it is does that make sense it does but but I guess why I brought that up is because when we pass we go to a different realm we go to a Different dimension so just be it

sounds freaky but like just because we can't see other energy it's proven energy doesn't necessarily it transfers right so I just think there's so much going on we don't know I love it I don't love it yeah so like I guess my thing is like it the the reason the the alien term kind of makes me laugh is because no there's who's to say that they're not also what we know is human Correct we could all all the aliens could also be our version of a human or something slightly different it doesn't have to be

so crazy different that they're like that they're terrifying they might already be on the planet and just look like us yeah who knows and so ocean that's like a whole other thing oh come on man who what is happening in the oceans seriously mer mer maybe my husband is a merman you never know um uh yeah that tripped me Out and again going back to the thought process of us being the only things on the UN in the universe um there is also this religious aspect of fear that not everybody has um but the the

fact that like I I don't quite understand and completely denying it flat out with no possibility that it can happen because it's actually taking away a power from God like he's so powerful the way that like um a traditional perspective on religion most religions I would I would Think um why would you take that power away if he's so powerful and he's made all of these things and he knows more than us and all of those things mhm why wouldn't he make more of us why wouldn't he be why would he make all of these

planets and space and just not right do anything with it I mean I do it's just like a question like no no no I do challenging the thought process I agree with you I do Believe I don't know it's it's like I do believe there is other life out there and ultimately do I know no I don't know none of us know anything but I do but I do believe there is life out there there are very intelligent life far more intelligent than humans far more beyond what we can even comprehend there no doubt in

my mind no [ __ ] doubt in my mind but are there other humans who experience emotion in the way we do I don't know like each planet could have a Different version of human like we we just don't know but it's exciting for me to believe that it makes me I feel like it's real I feel like there's so much to learn and like who knows what we'll know in right it might never be in our but it could be I really feel like we're going to some sh going to go down in a

good way in a good way not in a yeah yeah I mean the worlds type way but I mean I think that there's also like that's a whole other Thing too because I think there's a human tendency that like again to like fear what you don't know rather than be like open to it open to it right so who knows what that would look like um and I do and I don't believe that this is actually the case it could be but I don't believe this is actually the case but I love it um like

those memes where it's like um like they probably visit us like a safari like or like we're ants and they're like what are these ant These little idiots doing yeah exactly U which I think is quite funny to think about but yeah I mean I it makes all of the little things that we like all of our little issues feel so small correct like the things that feel so big to us in reality are like pretty small and we only really feel that when something big happens correct you know like um and we need those

big things to happen to remind us of is important and to like catapult us Back onto like our correct path because we get so distracted me included with things that do not ultimately matter it's just crazy yep yeah and like you're saying like we we all do it everybody's guilty of it cuz uh naturally certain things in life are frustrating yeah uh like something not loading and you need needing to like download it or uploaded or something like that it's so annoying that's my point like it it is annoying And it's like affecting through things

throughout your day so of course you're going to be irritated by it is it the most important thing no yeah but like naturally those are our struggles for the day but like ultimately ultimately it's so insignificant yeah um I don't know where to go there all over the map I love it I love it um where do we go now I guess this is this is just a s side step because I think this is a fun question and I and I don't Really know my own so this is actually an unfair question but but

and you might not also have an answer for this but I just I'll make one up I've never asked anybody this so I think it's it's kind of fun it's not it's not deep by any means don't don't get too excited what is the weirdest rumor you've ever heard about yourself the weirdest rumor hey everyone it's Sasha great convers STS deserve the perfect pairing like my new adult beverage Hippie water it's a Refreshing non-alcoholic Selzer with 5 milligrams of Delta 9 THC and just 30 calories find it now at hippie water.com and use discount code

nude hippies for 20% off or find it in Total Wine in Florida Texas and Arizona Hippie water what is the weirdest rumor you've ever heard about yourself the weirdest rumor I don't know if I've had any weird rumor I think I've been like relatively unscathed in that way I definitely have had rumors where people have it's so Funny how and this is so silly who G who cares who people are dating who cares but like where people have seen me with someone and they assumed we're together and I was like I've been with people for

long periods of time and people have never to this day will never know so it just the media can skew anything a certain way but but ultimately like I that's why I see stuff you can't believe it you literally there's there is I feel like a half truth or a little truth to Everything but the media just paints crazy crazy stories and we just run with them but I haven't had anything bad or weird at all have you so that's my thing that's why I said it's an unfair question because if you had something I

don't really but I I feel like it's so there is so much out there there's so much of that like you're saying like assumption based or um and now you like something or you don't like Something and it becomes like but I've been unscathed because I probably to my own detriment in a lot of ways have not been a part of Hollywood like other people have but you're a very private person and that feels genuine to who you are yeah and look I I honestly wouldn't trade it it's not something that I would I would

I wish I did differently really other than maybe pushing my career forward a little bit other than that that would probably be inable moving at Its own perfect trajectory exactly yeah I I really don't like regret it because I think the flip side of it would not I would not be where I am I wouldn't have the family that I have like all of those things um but I I do wish that um we didn't jump to conclusions so much on like details about people's lives that we really don't I it's really fascinating how like

pop culture is such a is such escapism for people And and because I really like I look at the psychology behind it because I'm like oh why do all of us collectively myself included sometimes care so much about this drama and this thing and reality shows are at an all-time high of like dating shows and it's just because it truly is I think just pure escapism and it's like numbing out in a way uh it's also a weird version of like social experiment like I feel like reality shows are so Far from actual reality but

it's kind of like their social experiments you like throw people in a room and they're acting probably really unlike their true selves like dating shows like the The Bachelor in The Bachelorette like I know people love those shows but like the psychology behind that is actually really terrible um and really weird yeah it's a really weird thing to like it's a whole but but it's like an it's it's a social experiment Yeah for sure okay well I'm can I start a rumor about you yeah I was like Sasha is the nicest person in Hollywood ouch

oh wait though that's true though that's true it's not a rumor I mean I guess a rumor doesn't have to be Sasha threw hot coffee in my face during this podcast Sasha served me cold coffee I asked for a hot Lu it is a little cold right now but it has been sitting we've been talking for a while okay it's good again this is so so Unfair I personally hate this question I've gotten this question my entire life so why are you asking it because there's a there's a flip side um to to it which

is really like the uh what would you say to your younger self I don't know why I get asked that a lot I people people do love to ask that they do and and I think that you know we can all have like really thoughtful answers for that but like I I don't I maybe just maybe I hate it because I don't know I I don't think That I would I don't think no people always want to say what advice would you give to your younger self and I always want to say nothing I had

to go through all that I you can't change anything so I think that that ultimately is is a silly question so my flip side to that is what would you love to know from your future self oh that's nice is it it's also maybe a terrible question no no no no it's nice I mean I feel like I have like a whole laundry list of Questions I want to ask but it's it's you know I do this like higher self journal I also do like visualization of like experiencing who I know I'm going to be

and knowing it's already me so like that is the trick to manifesting is being her now right so it's like anything I would ask to My Future Self is just what I would ask to myself now because every version of me past present future it's all one and if if I can already dream it And feel it it means it exists on the timeline Hudson where are you man we got to talk about this stuff I know um so I feel like my whole I don't really know if it's a question but it's more of

I'm glad you're happy and I'm proud of you and I hope you are enjoying every second of it because you deserve it because a big theme in my life is not feeling deserving of anything past past version I was like didn't subconsciously really too it was Like I didn't I we got this success we got a lot of money young we got all this and notoriety and I felt um really guilty about having a lot of these things and I don't necessarily know where that inherent limiting belief came from but it's you know it could

be something I was just born with and something I needed to get through but it's been really important for me in my whole journey especially with sobriety and this spiritual path I'm on is Reminding myself every day I am deserving of good things good people good experiences yeah and I have nothing to be guilty of I think a lot of people would be a lot better if that is how they looked at themselves I think we all need to try I don't like when people tell me what to do so I would encourage this is

what I do for myself and I find that it works it's important that we put ourselves first and that we're nice to ourselves first before we're nice to Anyone else yeah be your own best friend that's where that mirror comes from be your own best friend be friends with your higher self it's vital it it literally is vital to the future I want to have it's vital to the Future you deserve to have like we have got we have got I have got to just learn to be a little more gentle and compassionate with ourselves

yeah well I want to know your answer well I mean I I Second all the things that you you are saying about it I think the really ultimately my question is like I know what I want to do I know where I want to be I know the things that I want to accomplish um I guess my question to My Future Self would just be like what tools do I need to get there you know what I mean like what do I need to learn as soon as possible to like make not I don't want

I'm not saying it needs to Happen fast but like what skill sets yeah do I need to enhance do I need to learn in order to become to become what I want to be you know cuz I I think that's that's that's a great answer I always want to evolve and change and I always want to learn I never want to stop learning um but there is this aspect of like like there are things that I'm like trying to get over right now which is like I'm in not with everything but I an awful procrastinator

I procrastinate about so many things in my life Sasha why do we do this over dumb you know I think it is I think because I've never had a big enough consequence to not to change it so I'm in my head I'm like I need to change it before I'm given a reason but do you procrastinate over big big things or small things small me too like driving here I almost my car almost stopped cuz I was out of gas cuz I literally have put it off for days I was riding so Close to the

edge yeah yeah it's little things like that it's stupid little things but if if it's something that's like important and I'm super passionate about it like if it's for Hendrick if it's for Hudson if it's for like shooting stuff like film or TV or whatever it is like my job like those things I don't procrastinate on it's all the little things or the or the things that are like the in between maintenance things That I like your gas that like you know you you yeah I can do it with big things sometimes and i' I've

tried to work through that and I think why I procrastinated these like Big Dreams of M certain dreams I have I've procrastinated on them possibly out of fear of failure or or fear of being more exposed fear of people not liking me fear you know and so I've had to work through that because it's like I think it really you know what else I've been Doing oh everyone listening please do this please do this I swear it'll change your life okay okay I'm not telling you what to do but I suggest I'm not no no

no I I I I strongly suggest this to you but so basically in my journal I write out and I and I've broken it down to like money career physical body relationships you can do it for anything and cuz I think where I've gotten caught up in my life is like I want this thing but I would keep getting a result that Left me with the opposite end of the spectrum and it's because I had all these subconscious beliefs around let's just say oh you want more money okay we all want more money but we

might have a subconscious belief that more money equals people take advantage of you more money equals more problems right more money no more problems yeah but it's true and so what I've been doing with anything I'm going through and wanting to like kind of level up my life is I Write out the old belief which is whatever and then write out the new belief so an example would be like more money creates more problems for me and people take advantage of me and like the new belief could be this is I'm just off the fly

this is I don't know more money equals I provide support for the people I love more opportunity more opportunity more freedom and when you actually write it down the the the old limiting belief and you have to be really brutally Honest with yourself completely takes the power away something happens when you become aware of it and then you can transmute it I guys I swear on my life do this for a month for anything and you will see the difference I I just I I completely agree with that and I procrastinated all these subconscious limiting

beliefs for years I just now I'm 35 am acknowledging the things that have been holding me back Mhm there's something really scary about holding that mirror up to yourself and being like ooh but then it's not so scary it's like okay right that's the thing right it's like your it's like your own version of a diagnosis yes okay so now I know what do I do with it exactly yeah knowledge is and it's it's also but that's a decision and it and that decision itself can take a long time because very much so it's never

like an easy thing but I think I don't Think either path is easy and I think that's actually the mistake when thinking about it because you're like oh in order to maybe get better at certain things there's a lot of work and a lot of effort that needs to be put into certain things and that can seem really intimidating or overwhelming or scary is that SC staying the same it's like that saying what's what is the saying staying the same or change like I I know what You're talking about the pain of growth oh my

God Google it I know what you're saying pain of growth is worse than staying in the same place same place yeah I know you basically okay yeah what is it the the pain of change no oh okay yeah I'm like we're searching there's just going to be this quote over this right now it's going to be like whatever we I'm saying the I think there's this there's the pain of staying the same was bigger than the pain [Laughter] of you know what I'm saying I do know what you're saying cuz ultim true staying the same

is well even if if even if it's not just staying the same it can be just as hard to like not do anything and get worse cuz ultimately I think if you don't move forward things might not stay the same we think about like oh no I'm not going to change anything so I'm just going to coast and do what I've been doing but ultimately I think it Actually backwards right downfall yeah and and that can be more detrimental more painful more just harder yeah it's harder to start than it is I I think to

sorry I thought you were trying to quote I thought you were trying to let's just start making up quotes and acting like they're real no no no what were you going to say um I don't know it's harder to start in the beginning but I think That process you know getting you you'll the results you'll see from from moving forward um will be enjoyable and fruitful and it might be like a hard process but ultimately like that's what's worth it I love it you you killed that that was great I know you've been traveling a

lot and you've been filming you're doing exciting things oh yeah what what what jobs okay so I have a movie coming out They're telling me to not say Mary kill but it's called f Mary kill but that there's no Mary kill um it comes out domestically I can't you could bleep it f yeah we will bleep some some of it movie called f Mary Hill it comes out domestically and internationally in March nice there are a couple dates swirling around but it will be March of this year follow Lucy hail to know when follow me

thank you it was fun it was very fun We uh it's basically about this girl who's recently gotten out of a relationship she's on the dating scene while there's also a serial killer on the loose and so she's trying to prove to her friends that the three guys she's dating are not the serial killer so it's like murder mystery comedy was very fun good that's actually a really fun concept it's a cool concept yeah I don't envy anybody that is like in the dating scene and using dating apps I I skipped Oh my God you

missed R you missed the r I I could signed up for R what do you want to know um I what do you want to know about the dating scene in your 30s know I like I have so many girlfriends that are in it like I I know enough about it to like never ever want to do it I but you see you got lucky with Hudson like I totally you love story is just beautiful and it's just you're the exception to it I thank my heavenly Stars every day like I didn't know who I

Was was as a woman until a couple of years ago like I literally would not have been I couldn't even provide for myself so it's it's like it's actually really exciting and fun to be dating now because I don't feel desperate or needy it's just like oh you're cool you're great let's go on a second date or oh wow you you elevate my life like let's try to see if this works it's dating is different when you feel really good about yourself yeah but if you ever want To like crash any of my dates come

come be a fly on the wall so I in the same vein though I've also pushed friends to try dating Ops because I think there's also this like like fear of like no I want to just meet somebody organically but I'm like yeah but you work so much like where are you going to meet that person so I think they're and to be honest you you as much as you can lie on a dating app I feel like you probably know a little bit more about That person than you do than the guy that you

just meet in a bar facts you know what I mean like that guy can also say anything that he wants to say first time you meet them so like I think there's a misconcep now that it's it's more normalized now and I think for a good reason I just I and I've seen people have so much success with it now like I have multiple friends that have gotten married from meeting somebody on hinge or I got married that met on tnder Right it happens which is wild there are success stories everywhere so I I I

I genuinely I don't CU like what we always hear people talking negatively about dating like H it's so hard to date in La it's like yeah if you have that attitude right like if very open to guess what if you think dating is hard for you it's going to be hard for you this is my over matter baby so if you say I'm an e you know but you have to believe it right believe what you're saying and then the Rest will come to you but my experience is like I I've really enjoyed dating because

I've gotten to know myself better and well it's taking that power back it's you're owning it fig out yeah and I figured out my wants and what I like what I what I don't like um and yeah it's been it's been fun experimenting with that yeah yeah for sure yeah so there is that flip side to it and I I really truly don't think it's all negative um I'm just glad that I Didn't have to go through like those bad experiences but I live vicariously through my friends who were on it cuz I'm like I've

never swiped can I do it oh you'll love this movie then because my character was in a 10-year relationship and her friend gets her on the app and she's like do what am I what do you mean like why are you swiping so many times like aren't I supposed to do that it's very funny and I think you'll enjoy it that's really cute I'm excited I'm excited to see it thanks yay y I also like every time my friend is like going on a date I'm like is he a serial killer is she a Ser

serial killer can I like see you say she a serial killer never know got lots of friends yeah I love that I don't mean I got don't mean I got lots of friends I mean I've got good friends who are on dating apps where I'm like let me see that let me evaluate it because I think it's fascinating yeah well I'll send any Potentials your way something to tell you C nope juicy tea everyone she's got the juicy tea yes I can't wait I love you what's about okay bye I can't say anything okay okay

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