foreign [Music] it was a helpful Journey but in that phase I was the most peaceful blissed out you know I I reached heaven on Earth if you will but I was poor I was very poor and when I was wanting to do human things I never could because I didn't have didn't have money because I had these beliefs instilled in me that I was somehow a bad person if I desired wealth I was here's a my a good one I was somehow not spiritual or not as spiritual as Joe schmoe over here because I valued
money right and that kept me stuck for many many years and then at some point 26 27 28 I started to like come more into my Humanity if you will come more into my probably more Shadow work a lot more pain I was I had been in a conscious relationship now for years and that that'll wake you up oh yeah that'll be some serious work if you don't if you don't run from it and so all these things to say I know this is the longest winded question you've ever been asked but like I said
I like to riff and give context so I think that paints the full picture of the journey and I think a lot of our listeners will be able to resonate with that there's just these threads that really affected me and I know they've affected a lot of a lot of others and so I say all that to say it's been a serious Journey for me and it wasn't until a few years ago that I snapped out of it and I started actually being like more of a a stronger masculine energy about like my frames around
money and like not accepting like almost like an energy of like that would say like you know what that like I do value money I do want to be wealthy I do see nothing wrong with having a sign that says get rich here which we talked about some of these threads where I used to carry like guilt and shame as if I somehow wasn't spiritual and now I have such a different perspective on and then I've done different podcasts and this podcast is literally called the conscious wealth podcast and I talk all about how you
know I wish there were more conscious multi-millionaires and and if we're gonna change the world we need money to be able to do that to create the new systems and all that so I say all of that to say I would love to hear maybe your journey as well as your current perspective because like I said from everything that I know of you you're equally impressive up here if we're talking about chakras or in the head as well as you're very grounded and practical that's at least my impression of you well thank you man I
appreciate that takes one to know one uh yeah I have a similar journey man with money and and abundance and wealth I grew up Christian pastor's kid we were pretty soon oh did you really not pastor's kid but very strict Christian okay church every Sunday all that yeah yeah and um so that's part of the belief system was you know poverty and the meat shall inherit the earth and all the misunderstandings blessed are the poor but as I as I Grew Older and realized look money is just Freedom it's nothing else than that it's just
the ability to be free and do what you want and be who you want uh I realize that money can't be evil in and of itself because the universe is neutral and nothing is inherently good or bad uh like a lamp here's the example of a lamp can light someone who's writing the Bible or whatever just as much as it can light up someone committing a forgery or something under the same lamp so the lamp's not right or wrong it's the way it's being used so if money is like that then why don't we want
to use money for the kingdom for good right for Conscious Creation for for manifesting uh Oneness and unity and Truth on Earth that would be one of the greatest desires we could have really and so I think that's where it shifted for me was understanding that I don't I don't want money or wealth or abundance because I want to buy lots of nice things so I can have a better life because my life sucks and if I have more things I'll be happy that's that's the karma that will get you into some trouble with money
where you no longer have money but money has you well once you know you're not in that place where you you truly know and you believe and understand money won't buy me happiness doesn't matter how much wealth I accumulate it will never inherently make me happier but what money can represent in your reality can be a demonstration of who you really are and so that's why I want to manifest wealth is because abundance is who God is right because abundance is all that there is abundance is an eternal principle an eternal truth in heaven and
what did Jesus teach us to pray Let Your Kingdom Come On Earth as it is in heaven so uh is there any lack in heaven last time I checked there's not so why are we tolerating lack on Earth because we don't know who we are right we don't know where The Heirs of the Kingdom we don't know we are the Christ we think we're The Prodigal you know and so when we think we're a prodigal we have prodigal Consciousness how would you define prodigal so the prodigal being uh the famous Parable Jesus told in the
Bible of a son who leaves his father's house he he asks for his inheritance from his father he runs off and squanders it on prostitutes and drinking and gambling and he finds himself out of money and uh eating the the slop from a pig pen with with the pigs and rolling in the mud which for a Jew is like the worst possible fate because they believe that pigs are unclean yeah yeah a lot of symbolism there it's it's the Rock Bottom is what Jesus is saying and the prodigal has finally comes to his senses and
says when he came to his senses he said I shall return to my father's house because at least I can beg my father to be a servant in his estate in his house and surely even being a servant to my father's house is better than living here in the with the pigs right in the dirt and so he goes back to his father's house prepared to beg his father to just make him a lowly servant and forgive him right for leaving his estate and it says while he was still a long way off his father
saw him threw off his sandals and ran to meet him and he Embraces his son with that unconditional love of the father and the son repents and says I'm so sorry please take me in as a servant and uh goes on to say in the story my son you have always been mine and all that I have has always been yours so it's just in your mindset you forgot who you are and that's how Jesus taught us to pray right he said in Mark chapter 9 I think uh whenever you pray whatever things you ask
for believe you've already received them and they shall be yours why because the Kingdom of Heaven is a finished Kingdom all supply all abundance already exists in heaven and so we can't actually manifest something in the sense of it didn't exist and now it does exist we really just attract to ourselves the infinite Supply that always exists so if you want to connect to the unmanifest realm of infinite Supply in heaven you have to know it already exists and you have to know you're worthy of it as the son of the father in that archetype
right I am a child of the king and so if I need wealth if I need wholeness if I need Supply in any way I know my father is loves to give me every every good gift as Jesus says and so it's the knowing you've already received it that actually lets you access it because if you think oh I'm so poor God please make me not poor by giving me abundance that I don't already have you're praying from prodigal Consciousness from poverty Consciousness and the universe doesn't know what that is right because it only knows
the finished Kingdom finished creation everything already exists and is in perfect Supply so you have to come into the principle of abundance to get abundance right and that's where people go wrong as they pray from a personalized place again prodigal Consciousness separation please help please give me money I'm poor I can't pay my bills and it's like you're giving the wrong identity to abundance right you're giving the wrong card uh you're giving the all capitals names right the fake self there's so many similarities here it's crazy it's it's perfect right it's like oh sorry I
don't know who this lacking separate prodigal person is that you're claiming to be I only know the Christ so until you come to me as the Christ asking for what's rightfully yours your estate then I can't I can't answer you I can just let you keep having this poverty Consciousness so it's like we have to know that abundance is an eternal principle of God's being and from that place I want to be abundant not because I the person want to be rich and be impressive to my friends no I want to manifest abundance because abundance
is who God is it's a demonstration of what's true that was such a beautiful response what comes to mind when you're when you're talking about that especially at the end the download that I that came through is I want to be wealthy because I want to love God that's it to know God is to know wealth and to know the devil is to know debt yes dude and it's it's just a choice and so that's what I mean there there's there is this I call it spiritual Distortion where the intentions were good right for a
specific person at a specific time learning non-attachment is really necessary let's say you've been egoic your whole life you should learn to let go for a while right but then kind of come in Full Circle I see that it's it's hard for a lot of people to let that one go it there's something to it it's like uh if if society's badge of honor is like what you make or what car you drive right then this spiritual society's badge of honor is like how little you demonstrate you care about money and it's like it's an
egoic Flex yeah like but it's this weird reverse egoic Flex it's like the flex is how poor I sound or look or act like I am and it's like both I love that perspective that you just shared it's like it's so clear it's even clearer than I was already seeing it to to know God is to know wealth and that's it that's it right there what is conscious wealth it's that yes and I've heard you say this in some of your videos of like um one of my favorite lines from A Course in Miracles is
only what I have not given can ever be lacking because I am the Kingdom of Heaven wow Jesus said so you know if I feel like there's poverty in my immediate experience well I must not be giving abundance of giving it where giving it in here to myself I must not feel abundant right it's like can I give myself wealth and abundance and infinite Supply can I know that it already exists and it already belongs to me whether my circumstances seem to reflect it or not doesn't matter what's true in eternity which is that there's
no lack in Infinity like literally they're the only thing that cannot exist in an infinite universe is lack yeah why am I believing in lack it sounds so silly when it's put like that right lack existing in an infinite abundance but it's something about being human we we lose that perspective right it's very hard to maintain that zoomed out parasympathetic non-attached perspective yeah and it is that's why it's so beautiful how well you know the how well you know the scripture and everything it makes sense why you're so why you're so grounded it's not even
about religion like I don't we could get down that whole path too because it sounds like we have another thing similar in that sense but for my journey it was this thing of my relationship to religion was guilt shame and Punishment and that was passed down through my lineage and reiterated through my church and so I walked away from it and rebelled and kept getting in trouble waking up in jail and then I finally changed my life and I had to find spirituality and that's why that was so revolutionary for me because I it introduced
me to this notion of like unconditional love versus conditional like versus the father who's like punishing you versus like no it's just love and not necessarily needing to put labels and everything on it but yeah it ties so much into this notion of like a lot of people see this book as like some see it as like a fable some see it as like rules that if you don't follow you're gonna burn and then I see it as like a combination of like a cheat code to life giving you like all of the esoteric principles
that nature and all of the universe operate under and if you just align yourself with that you're gonna Thrive plus a book on Commerce and it gives you all the gems even if you even Justin you sharing that one story of The Prodigal which was a word that I wasn't familiar with amazing even just in that we weren't even talking about the sovereignty stuff anymore and it was exactly like the answer to the problem of most citizens it that was the answer so it's like it's just crazy how much depth there is to that book
to the teachings there's just when you think you can't go deeper there's infinitely more levels or I should say it's almost lenses I don't know that it's a vertical but might be more of a horizontal of it you might have read it and thought it applied to this part of your life but then you enter a new season of your life and you read it and you're like oh that's also applies to this and so that's beautiful man yeah yeah you're so right it's it's a book that will go as deep as you go in
your understanding of who you are the Bible will keep opening up especially the teachings of Jesus men because if Jesus was anything he was a man who was fully realized and fully demonstrated as the perfect Eternal self we call it the Christ that we all are and I love I love this lens of that everything that exists is not separate from its idea and that ideas are really the the true the Eternal the actual thing that exists forever in God's mind so like you Jeremy whatever Jeremy is this Essence you're reflecting right now this persona
well you actually are an eternal thought form in the mind of God because God's Eternal yeah there was never a time where the thought of or idea of Jeremy as you are here and now was not in God's mind so this is what Jesus knew of himself right that like he prays in John 17 uh father glorify them with the glory that I had with you before the foundation of the world was made like he was expressing this truth of like I've existed in you forever and I know that but they don't know that so
give them that same knowledge give them that same Glory that I have with you right so if I know that I am what I really am supersedes this physical person this Persona this physical Persona is just a reflection of the Eternal idea that's perfect and eternal in heaven so if I know that then I can connect to that Eternal self that I really am that always exists in God's mind and is never separate and then I can say with Jesus right I am in the father and the father is in me I and the father
are one if you've seen me you've seen the father it was this understanding of like I use the author and character analogy a lot if God's the author of life and everything is you know a creation of the author then I am a character let's say in God's Eternal Cosmic play and so a character would Express all the same things about their author that Jesus expressed about his father right I am in the author and the author is in me when you see me you see the author it's like this Oneness Consciousness who I really
am and from that awareness abundance wholeness infinite Supply manifests naturally in my reality because it's the awareness I'm walking in so it's like it all comes back to your awareness of who you are and that's why the system of the world wants to keep you afraid disempowered not knowing who you are because only in that sphere can they control you and manipulate you as soon as Humanity wakes up to who we are that we are one and we are Sons and Daughters of the father of the creator that no one has any power over me
nobody can tell me what to do like we'll wake up to these ideas as obviously as the sky is blue it should be so clear right but only because we're in this kind of spiritual hypnosis or something where we've fallen asleep to our real self we need to wake up to who we are the remembering yeah it's a remembering and there's a line in the course I love that says uh the the rest that we're really looking for comes from waking not from sleeping like the sleeping is has been our problem the sleeping's not the
real rest right damn I was getting visuals when you were talking about even referencing some of those parts at the end and all of all of what you just explained is why Jesus walked on water [Music] in terms of apply that to admiralty Maritime he walked on water because he's not governed on the water right he doesn't even touch it he supersedes and that's and you were just explaining like he is us and we are him so it's like put it together but it's we have to remember the water stands under him yes the water
understands him [Laughter] it's so dope on the parallels we could do this all day