brother Ben why is it a bad thing to have something like the USA that sounds on the surface of you just saw the big crocodile tears that crying on MSNBC it's for humanitarian projects it's for development projects is to help bring water to the village and that's a pretty good cover why is USA why do we why do we rip the mask off and say it's a CIA and and what what is the advantage to the American people you mentioned that it gave the money to a same sort of folks throughout the world who are
those folks why is it advantage to the populist nationalist movement and the in the American working man and woman to basically rip the mask off face what it is and then shut it down sir well this is a very very complicated question and I really hope that Trump World foreign policy folks understand the open heart surgery they're conducting on the way our foreign policy operates around the world and in terms of why it's a bad thing that USA does what it does this is one of these question questions that you know I've I've known and
followed this this stuff for many years but I never made a crusade about taking it on until USA had gotten the business of censoring the internet and at that point and censoring Americans on on the American internet and censoring American social media companies as a foreign facing humanitarian uh NGO sponsor uh you know that everyone knows is just is just the cia's plausible deniability layer and and funding conduit but when when it started to be used against Americans on American soil that to me was the final straw that no matter how useful it may be
to spend 4 billion dollar a year bribing Warlords in Africa bribing oligarchs in Ukraine bribing and recruiting terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan and Syria um you know disguising Medical Supply Vans uh you know in Venezuela with boxes of of AK-47s and Military supplies the fact is is it is no longer a foreign policy instrument it is a domestic control instrument and that is the final straw you can't do that to Americans have have you do you have any evidence in your all your research because you're like the axe in the space that has actually been
used domestically against Americans not just for doing warlord stuff like that but actually against Americans oh my God yes the USA in in 2021 they made a formal policy pivot to stopping information on the internet and they targeted us technology companies they targeted the they targeted Facebook they targeted Twitter 1.0 they targeted YouTube they targeted all of the online information space they were working with newsguard and Global disinformation index and they partnered with the state Department's democracy rights and and and Labor uh they have uh which which is which works with us AIDS group called
the Democracy rights and democracy human rights and and rule of law I'm sorry democracy governance and rights um uh Bureau and and what they what they did is under the banner of democracy promotion see this is the thing there's supposed to be a democracy promotion organization it's one of the reasons that they are accountable to uh the house Foreign Affairs committee and Senate Foreign Relations Committee they said that that Miss disinformation I know you got a bounce but I just I just want to hold you through a short break and for a minute or two
afterwards I just want to make sure when we leave this today people understand that uh you've made the case of why this place is dangerous and not some humanitarian thing giving out money to like the nuns uh to to do to save the orphans in subsaharan Africa short commercial has been on this idea about a government an administrative state in deep State that's been out of control Ben has been on this for years so Ben when they actually start to allocate money to domestic programs into all the misinformation shutting down uh free speech on the
internet like a against war room you everybody that that money is allocated we we had this audience sat through the Appropriations the individual bills Appropriations and Eli Crane and Matt Gates making this case I think back in the summer of 2024 23 and 24 for two different authorizations bills that time less than 50% of the Republicans backed them these things didn't pass in these subcommittees uh was anybody overseeing this did people in Capitol Hill know that they had started to use this to Target American citizens sir well let me let me clarify that because there's
there's a distinction here which is that USA does work that has dramatic impact on our domestic politics and domestic Americano American Affairs but they funnel it through International organizations that operate on us soil rather than rather than for the most part directly with us organizations although they do for example the USA partner with the American Bar Association for you know and these type of things but for example us a gave $27 million to the fiscal sponsor of the Soros prosecutor control group that you know everyone here you talk about uh Soros prosecutors and Soros you
know Soros fundsy prosecutors and then Soros funded you ngos in particular this this main one called fair and and uh just prosecutions this this group that tells Soros prosecutors what to do well that group got more from USA than it did from George Soros it got 20 or fiscal sponsor dated $27 million to the tide Center which also played a major role in fomenting Black lives matter as as uh as you know one of the main parent parent groups of the black lives matter groups you have to understand us Aid is at the dead center
it occupies the center space between the state department the Pentagon and the CIA it's a switch player that that that that serves as a as a plausibly deniable assistance agency to the Rogue activities of of those three fed federal agencies and it represents essentially the sum consensus of the foreign policy establishment the Legacy foreign policy establishment that hated Trump with a passion wanted to take him down because of his foreign policy views and because of his his economic nationalism here at home and what USA declared doctrinally is that populism is an attack on Democracy they
say this openly in USA meetings they say this openly in in USA documents I published this a year and a half ago the U the usaid disinformation primer published the first month of Biden's term in office saying that the purpose of their disinformation programs was to eliminate populist subject matter expertise on the internet because populist news sites undermine USA programming by undermining public faith and confidence in Democratic institutions because don't you know USA spends billions of dollars to control the media every year the the you know all the major media outlets in Ukraine are funded
by USA like the Kiev independent all the major news outlets in uh in Western Hemisphere or in many parts of of Africa and Central Asia it does what the CIA used to do everyone remembers operation mocking BG well guess what that's just called USA media sustainability and media assistance okay that's all that is and when populist waves swept the world with in the US in 2016 with Trump and with what happened all over Europe with marine lepen and Mato salvini and Nigel farage USA declared censorship holy war against every single populace group including bolsonaro Steve
I'm telling you right now if USA did not exist bolsonaro would still be the president of Brazil and B and Brazil would still have a free and open internet it was USA that spent tens of millions of dollars of American taxpayer money funding the push to get anti- misinformation bills passed in the parliament there funding the uh the legal Advocates who pushed the the censorship Court there the tsse to uh to to uh crack down on bolsonaro tweets and WhatsApp and telegram messages they built a censorship octopus in Brazil and it was built entirely on
USA because USA declared bolsonaro a populist Trump of the tropics and then set up this operation to control the information ecosystem one of the USA grantees even said on a on a public call that the purpose was to eliminate the uh the International Exchange of ideas between the Trump movement and the bolsonaro movement that's what USA does they kill domestic populism because it gets in the way of their foreign policy goals
