FILHO DO HAMAS - MOSAB YOUSEF [ ANDRÉ LAJST] - Flow #305

[Music] this is [Music] FL this is [Music] the and you're also talking to mosab mosab Hassan yusf right did I say it right yes you got it okay uh you you are a Palestinian uh Israeli Palestinian you're just a Palestinian uh I was born a Palestinian today I'm an American you're an American today yeah you're right and uh we are going to talk about everything that uh the story around Hamas and Israel and the conflicts that are happening right now and are happening over the last decades right and uh well we and there's one for

you too so you can try it thank you very much Ins that's you oh wow how do you like it does it look like you I I don't like the must I I don't like my mustache [Laughter] but so uh mosab I I know I know a little of your story I know that you uh uh you were part of the Hamas for a while right and the first thing I'd like to know is how does the brainwash uh Work how do they how do they convince people that uh they should be uh I don't

know blowing themselves up or or I don't know fighting Israel what's what's the thing what's happening there is the the objective to destroy Israel what what is happening what happens actually okay first of all this is not my size so I need I need my size okay we'll fix that second Hamas indoctrination Middle East this is the conditioning process you know it's a ongoing process of uh uh Turning Humanity into Utilities in the hands of politicians and religious authorities so it's not a strange phenomena it's everywhere uh you take a on a society and you

condition them in a certain way so the children of Gaza uh at this stage uh let's say have been indoctrinated to serve Hamas who serves Iran who serves sometimes Russia who serves some other times uh Arab Gulf uh Countries um and the children of Gaza been cut up in this fire uh infinite forces coming from the West the East using the cause the Palestinian cause so it's not you would say that it's not really the Palestinian cause it's about uh some other kind of power it's about a cause and the moment you say the cause

everybody has a Cause right yeah even though they are driven by let's say personal uh desires but they cannot say This what motivates me what motivates me is the cause uh so this is the hypothetical third party that everybody needs to blame or to credit so uh it's not brainwashing okay brainwashing you know you take somebody who's already conditioned and you brainwash them through a systematic process uh but to grow up in a certain culture where basically everything in your surroundings is shaping you okay uh and unconsciously you're Adapting to that environment where you end

up serving that system now the question do you have the power to break free from that system or you don't have the courage to drop your identity that is made in that conditioning process what gave you that courage that that courage I don't claim that it's courage others say you know and I I really don't care what it is um but I prefer to be uh free uh than being in Slavery I prefer to do the things that I like to do uh without concern of what people are going to say or what they're going

to judge okay yeah well that sounds uh what any human being would would prefer but as long as they knew that was an option right because because uh Sometimes some some uh some cultures they might make you make you think that it's not a possibility to be uh to think different from I I don't know the leaders or something uh but uh what kind Of of Advantage if any did you have uh for being the son of one of the founders of aass H this is the trick H the trick is not only intimidation it's

also Temptation so being a son of a well-known leader in a certain country let's say a parliament member a president a prime minister a powerful man you are at the center of power especially if you are the the Oldest so you have status you have uh uh security uh we did not have lots of money in our family we had access but we are not very wealthy but very powerful okay uh very influential mhm and uh I think this is my father's game uh Power this is what he's addicted to a lot more than uh

wealth uh and uh being part it's more seducing I suppose of course it's uh more intoxicating than than money so in that culture uh this was my connection That uh from that power um I received security privilege uh advantages but still you were you were in prisoned sometimes right what about four times how many times were you in prisoned um first arrest was a very short one when I was only uh 10 or 12 uh then after that uh at the age of 18 I was arrested at the age of 20 I was arrested and

at the age of 24 was the last time I spent in total 27 months in Israeli prisons but Believe or not that gives you status in that Society that's crazy yeah it's uh it's a it's it's very interesting because when you study counterterrorism and and you study the the little uh the the the structure when Israel goes and and jails someone that is very young inside of prison they raise ranks because if Israel thinks you are important in order to come to arrest you it means you are important even if you are not beforehand I

understand right It's it's crazy well that's uh i' I've talked to some uh Palestinian people or people who are uh uh whose parents are Palestinian they live in Brazil and uh they told me something interesting that I had never uh thought about before like uh Gaza is a is an open air prison I've heard that you know uh from Palestinians and would you care to comment about that is that true do does Israel really keep uh Gaza Citizens uh under such pressure that uh it resembles a prison okay first of all the concept of imprisonment

uh is a relative uh uh uh concept because true imprisonment is to be imprisoned to a certain uh belief let's begin with that uh when I was in prison my third time I was the Freer person uh in my life at that time and I was in a very small fced uh area with no with nothing with no resources but I felt super Free uh so from personal experience truly our uh real imprisonment when we are uh victims to uh a belief to establishment uh in slavery to a certain society that wants us to say

certain things and to do certain things so this is one part of imprisonment now if we're talking about a small territory of Gaza under a lockdown it's true but have we asked ourselves why why the lockdown about 17 years the International Community asked Hamas movement to do one Thing M to recognize the state of Israel right to exist MH as a member of the United Nations and Hamas refused completely in your opinion is that absurd like uh the existence of of Israel uh to Hamas Israel does not have the right even though we have uh

close to 10 million people who were born in that land I'm not talking about migrants I'm talking about okay let's say a third or fourth generation uh migrants but it Doesn't matter where they're ancestors came from what really matters that they were born in this land and they are not only birth certificates they are human beings they have the birth right to be there and what Hamas want from this 10 million people they want them to relocate it doesn't matter where the hell they go so this is Hamas mentality hence we have the uh uh

The Siege over Gaza which it became Imprisonment and for about 17 years the people of Gaza uh have been useless without power to stand against Hamas and fight and say you don't represent us you're ideology is bringing Wrath of the devil over our heads and we simply uh want our freedom instead they voted for Hamas instead they dwelled in cowardice uh they did not fight the good fight H to emancipate themselves so this type of uh Collective Consciousness when It's in this type of imprisonment and this why I said the imprisonment to a belief to

ideology to politics uh then to the governor that they are afraid they have something to lose they are afraid to die then the outcome of such a disease is imprisonment yeah and uh about that I'd say that the people in Gaza even though they voted for Hamas ER I suppose it was not uh really a choice right just like you said it's uh they're afraid they have stuff to lose they they Could die right so uh voting for Hamas uh would maybe give them some kind of a um survivability uh through some time maybe and

uh so I don't think it was uh I I don't know I wasn't there but I suppose it it wasn't really a choice right because Hamas seemed to have uh Hamas seems to have a very good way of indoctrinate indoctrination just like you said and they are uh they are such a cultural force that uh it makes people Really believe that they are uh if you don't go with them maybe you are uh Some Kind of Traitor or something and so they had to vote for Hamas and I don't know bend their knees to their

will and in in this way uh do you think that Gaza people uh the citizens who live there they really would like to get rid of Hamas the Palestinian people you now when Hamas was elected that was before the first uh big war With Israel muh so I cannot imagine how much Gaza changed over the years and the impact of five major Wars where thousands of people died uh because of Hamas stunt because of Hamas gamble okay now what do you call gamble gamble gamble it's uh when your let's say children are starving and uh

you take every resource you have and you go to the casino but in Hamas case they are gambling with children's blood how many Children do we need to die so we can achieve our IDE ological uh goals so this is why I say gambling with children's blood and this is practically what Hamas did because they don't care how many children die now the Hamas game if you think if if you understand the point that Hamas is not a national group they are not fighting on behalf of national cause they are not fighting on behalf of

the oppressed under Occupation that Hamas basically a Savage barbaric ideological group that is waging a religious holy war against other ethnicity or against other ethnic group let's say then you understand that they don't believe in political borders and they don't care for how many people are going to die because if they were fighting on behalf let's say Palestinians then they would care about the Palestinians as under the pal inian cause but since they are using the Palestinians for some foreign religious agendas inspired by the of Iran 2,000 miles away then do they really care about

how many children are going to die no they don't so the moment we understand the true uh nature of Hamas that it's not a political National Palestinian organization rather it's a religious ideological movement serving foreign agendas then we understand that the children and the people of Gaza are Cut up in this fire so so you you you say that in in in in other words that the people normally causes are for people and when when you protect a cause you want to protect in the end of the day peoplehood and people and lives and what

you're trying to say is that people are not important because the cause is more important than the people in order to achieve a goal which is not tangible not concrete create made by religious Fundamentalist ideology and the people are tools absolutely this is another way to say it but I I like the way you phrase it okay uh so uh Hamas uh they are they are would you would you say that uh this War uh this these attacks on Israel they are if let's say there is a world there is a universe they succeed and

they uh I don't know they Israel is no more would You would you say that that would uh continue to to spread absolutely because we are not dealing only with Hamas a the moment one terrorist group succeed in uh breaking uh a democratic system and forcing them to compromise big for a ceasefire or Force an them to sit on a negotiating table with a terrorist uh Group uh this is going to make a model for so many terrorists islamists and other terrorist groups that it's possible for democracies to bend Under Pressure then instead of having

Democratic systems uh governing the mob or the crowd governing unconscious Humanity wherever They are to just keep things in order we will have an absolute chaos CU as you see how many Hamas few thousands but they brought the globe to its knes witnessing the manslaughter in a way we never witnessed before mhm and sending us back to the Stone Age I don't want to say to the dark ages of Europe but to the Stone Age where we are looking at pictures say are we in the 21st century so the entire Globe got cut up in

this drama and that's only few Thousands were able to uh shoot us where it hurts and here here we are we are influenced in Brazil in the United States everywhere some people don't know if we are supporting zionists against uh victims are we supporting capitalists against Communists who's right who's wrong who's the victim who's the predator and all this confusion and everybody now is projecting their hatred Al so you give the opportunity when There is chaos uh the forces of Darkness Thrive this is from a personal experience and this is what ham where Hamas actually

can Thrive Hamas Isis alqaeda Badin all this model of haramah for sure thank you for bringing Islamic Jihad Islamic Jihad are you an expert on cism Yes actually and on groups yes yes so we have many of those clowns and you validate one then the others are Inspired and if they are inspired they they want chaos they thrive in chaos they don't thrive in order but can you and I him and the rest of the world those who believe in dialogue believe that uh or not believe we know that violence is a dead end and

also we don't want to be in cities uh that has chaos and crime and rape and destruction where you cannot where your daughter or your wife or uh your beloved one cannot walk freely in The street this is what Hamas wants they want to turn it into chaos so they can change the world order into an Islamic World Order pretty crazy also Putin wants to change the world order and China wants to change the world order they want it communist or they want it islamist they wanted uh different uh systems and simply we say do

they qualify did they prove it that their system actually can be a global system that is reliable that is going to Respect nature earth and the uh development uh and the evolution of humanity of mankind M very important point that I don't think the Democracy or the West has actually answered the all the uh questions uh and the problems of a human condition I'm not saying that we are living in a perfect world it cannot be it cannot be but I prefer order over chaos yeah uh some would say that uh Hamas is in a

way a child of Israel I've heard that before that uh Israel uh kind of forced uh Palestinian people to create or to organize Hamas do you would you say that's true I mean the the pressure Israel uh uh so you mean indirectly yeah indirectly this is beos and uh it's uh another uh conspiracy theory there are many uh of course there is only uh truth and the rest are theories mhm and the the only way you were there right you were there you were what what what how old were you when when you when Hamas

started I was born before Hamas was born I know that yeah so I was before Hamas I saw Hamas birth I saw Hamas develop m i saw Hamas grow and uh as I said earlier I will witness Hamas death as well because humanity and human consciousness um is much Superior uh in its collectiveness mhm than Savage ideology in my opinion that is very temporary because it's connected to a very shortterm interest related to a territory you know give me more land Uh give me more power give me more money and if you don't I am

going to kill so many children and I'm going to make you feel guilty and I'm going to create moral crisis for the globe and I'm going to make everybody feel miserable and I'm going to send you back to the stone ede this is the attitude of of Hamas and knowing their truth knowing them maybe more than they know themselves I say this cannot survive because it's Against the universal structure of the Creator if it if this is the way how it works uh Humanity would be finished long time ago yeah uh right just wanted to

to give a context about this theory of conspiracy that he's he mentioned that is just a theory of conspiracy theory so there are two aspects I think that is good to contribute the first one is that it's anti-Semitism because so if there is something very bad happened to Jews uhuh so Jews create It okay upon themselves so this is this is uh uh I mean many people that mention this Theory they are trying to take out the responsibility of a group that committed a terrorist attack and and and throw on the on the victim the

responsibility of Their Own death and you're saying that it's just because uh you are you are Jewish no no this is this is one aspect the second aspect is misinformation and lack of knowledge so in the 70s s after Israel conquered the Gaza and West Bank from Egypt and and Jordan there were there were the the PLO was expelled and the PLO was the problem of Israel at that time what's a PL PL Palestinian Liberation organ they went to Jordan then they went to Lebanon then they went to Tunis and they were like a Marxist

leninist terrorist organization secular uh that did many many many attacks throughout the the war they hijacked planes and stuff like that and They were trying to recruit recruit a lot of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank and there were many and they were not religious and there were religious figures Palestinian religious figures that they they were against them because they were religious the other were Max Marxist Marxist Marxism is against religion so they have the differences so the religious people they wanted to create institutions in order to bring people from the street to dawa

To religious centers seems effective to be more focused on religion Israel saw in the early 70s I'm talking about 18 years before the founding of Hamas saw with good eyes to help those with contracts in order to help to build a mosque or to pay a salary for Imam that will teach people about love and and forgiveness every religion has love of forgiveness so they met with shik Ahmed Yin early in the Early stage and help him to build this network of religious institutions this is was not Hamas this was religious institutions afterwards when he

became more radical then he he was one of the founder with together with uh musab father shik ham YF took found Hamas and they used the previous institutions and mosques in order to radicalize the society so there was no connection between the help that Israel did in the early 70s with the Hamas Foundation which clears States for Israel destruction yes you can do do you have a question no no I I sorry sorry to interrupt no no this is very good I like it I like it yeah this is the uh well uh it's because

I've heard these so many times that uh it's all over the internet and it brings about next thing uh why what what tools do you would you say that uh Hamas was uh is using to uh their propaganda is Pretty good right because uh you know when that when that hospital got blown up and there was that that uh press conference where they were standing uh over or around lots of bodies and they were talking about uh the war and stuff and that when you see doctors and they are talking about death and they're talking

about war and they're surrounded by corpses that causes uh something on people right so uh it kind of makes people it's a strong Message there so uh it seems to me that they are very effective and they've been doing this very well uh regarding propaganda in order to turn the public opinion into their side right uh so to as to make uh people uh defend them right the the terrorist and stuff like this so what does what do they do to to make this propaganda so efficient in a way that we don't call a terrorist

act terrorism because that's what's happening right Right well I don't think that they are that genius they're not genius at all oh we stupid but no no I mean many of the people they just don't have the power of discernment it's the human problem whether they're Americans or Brazilians or and it's easily we can be swayed by our emotions and uh the devil uh would just create any picture uh for us the Human condition that we don't see things for what they are so but I I tell you something the biggest uh it's not a

propaganda because why violence uh is is not a virtue and why Violence by all the let's say enlightened people is always or the use of force I wouldn't want to say even violence uhhuh the use of force is always the last resort when all other options fall uh short there is no Dialogue there is no um conversation nothing worked so nothing nothing's worked we the last resort was the use of violence uhhuh okay but even even even with that there are there are rules there are laws that you don't cause um a total and mass

destruction and what Hamas did was a genocide it's not even the use of violence so it's not only the use of force it's not violence it's not terrorism they took it this time to a much higher level to a genocide I don't Know if I agree but uh it's especially because uh they're correct me if I'm wrong but uh the first the the attack that uh it was on the 7th yeah yes of what October October uh they attacked a a a a party right corre is that right and I suppose there were many people

who weren't Jewish there so uh a genocide uh it's when you kill uh specific ethnicity right most of the people there were Jewish but they are not just Israelis but most of the people like they knew That the part is is a Israeli party inside of Israel so the chances of having 8 0 95% of people are Jewish and the fact that they committed genocide that mad said is the fact that now they are releasing without any kind of condition uh 12 Tha people without 23 23 without asking for nothing it it's looks like anbe

they hijack the plane they take out the Jews and they keep the Jews it's like the Holocaust it's the same thing right well I tell you what defines Genocide uh it's uh motivated uh by um er desire for ethnic cleansing sure yeah now when Hamas went beyond the fence on October 7th they didn't know the identity of the people at the party mhm to them it was was all Jewish even they were they did not have uh and Imagine by the way many of them maybe they never left Gaza to actually know that this is

Thai worker this is a farmer this is uh let's say a Brazilian at the party and some Brazilian people were at the party So when they went there they went with the intention of uh uh ethnic cleansing against the Jewish people and other nationalities got cut in the uh uh this attack in the attack so the intention is a genocide and genocide uh when Hamas I don't know if you watched the massacre film I didn't no which basically documented by their own cameras by their own cell phones for most of their acts the cameras were

Found on the bodies of those Savages after they got killed later after many many hours of manslaughter now when they moved systematically from door to door throwing grenades on people executing people in their living rooms in their bathrooms throwing a Grenade on a on a father as his 8-year-old son and daughter watch the death of their father then killing pregnant women Getting the baby out of the belly of a pregnant woman there are footage of something like this raping women on their way when they wiped out entire communities total of 13 communities house to house

door to door burning destroying killing raping everything in their way this exceeds the definition of a genocide in fact there is no human language or terminology that can describe the feeling of thousands of people who were slaughtered in that Day pure darkness in action embodiment of evil at its peak that we haven't witnessed In Our Lifetime and this is why what happened on October 7th it was not a terrorist attack or a violent attack uh motivated by nationalism or motivated let's say by U hatred even hatred is very underestimating the situation so yes and as

outcome of that Arabs died in the attack more than how many 80 80 thank you for uh educating me today on this because I I did not even Know about this detail we have about 80 Arabs Muslims from nearby Israeli Arab Village that of a majority actually Muslims committed devoted Muslims it happened that they were working force uh in in in those communities and 80 of them were killed on the hands of Hamas how many Thai workers we saw the Thai people the most peaceful people I lived many years in Thailand the most peaceful people

in the world hardworking they com In all the way from AIA to make living and send some money to their families we saw Hamas members with a shuffle trying to uh cut some someone's head tirelessly repeatedly hitting the poor guy trying to cut his head with a shuffle as the world watch who does that Hamas killed the DJ who kills the DJ well once you kill the DJ the party is over there is nothing left you know people celebrating life people dancing people making love people having fun you Know you go into that party and

you just tell them here is your worst nightmare you know Savages exist evil exist so now if we see things for what they are what happened on October is why I I know you disagreed with me and uh you had your uh idea of a genocide but I guarantee you that after watching Hamas own uh uh filming of their own action my life will never be the same there is there is something that makes us our uh I suppose that uh the fact of being so far from Where it's actually happening Brazil is very far

from the Middle East uh the information it comes uh biased it comes incomplete and I suppose many people here don't even know what's really happening about these recordings you were talking about I didn't even know about them so uh and it's the kind of information that's really hard to get the the truth around here because uh one it's very far two uh they are disclosed in a way that makes you uh you're not Sure if you are if you're reading or if you're listening to the truth you know uh so uh there are many things

happening there that that are a little cloudy you can't really see them through like as the truth you know and I suppose that makes uh public opinion uh sway in different ways depending on who's giving that information so the first the first uh first of all you can say that what happened it wasn't Uh a violent attack a terrorist attack a genocidal attack or something like that I think you're right but uh what comes next the way it it gets public the thisinformation gets public it's very hazy so you don't really know what's happening and

I've seen some very educated people uh defending what happened and and standing against Israel or something but I'm not sure if they're being uh just uh misinform uh just misinformation or if they're being evil You know so this this uh way of learning the truth is very confusing so we don't really know what's happening because well if I if I hear from Andrea what's happening there I tend to believe it's a little biased because you you're Jewish because you are a Zionist and when I hear what's happening there from a from a Palestinian person I

I've had them here so uh I expect their opinion to be a little biased so it's very difficult to know what's really going on because They're saying completely different things you know so I suppose that makes our life here uh when trying to learn the truth very difficult and that's why it's important to talk to you I think right and to you too I'm I'm not saying that I don't believe you I'm just saying that uh some people might uh hear what you're saying with a little bit of disbelief because I have a theory about

that Heist I think that that that you can go both Ways a Palestinian or Israeli Zionist Zionism believe of the existence of a Jewish State that's it it's not about politics and occupation and settlements it's just the belief of existing a Jewish state so a person that is part of the history has the ability to understand the history to understand the the facts to to know the language to live in that place so I think that a at the same time that a Palestinian or Israeli can be Biased a Palestinian and Israeli are the only

ones that have the possibility to know the 100% the truth that's right it becomes a little more hard it becomes harder and and they have to decide to speak the truth Pro to know the facts and to develop into a into a person that the nationality is not important but the truth and values are are important at the same time so when people say to me I can't believe you because Israeli it means that Because I'm Israeli I am kind of affected be and I am blind and and and then ality and you're indoctrinated yeah

and the nationality becomes a a major power that affect my judgment of what is right and what is wrong and this is and this is wrong this is a way a wrong way of thinking in my opinion it means that it means that because of my decision to go there and live there I I I have a I I got I got affected my judgment which is a human condition doesn't matter which Place you were born it's a human condition of understanding facts and the and knowing the and knowing the facts and and history and

despite that I went to Academy I did a ba and a masters and I PhD student so I am I am focused on that for 20 years in studying and learning and reading and watching and speaking the language and living in that place and fighting the war so it's not that I went to study I know business administration because I'm Israeli I'm Talking about Israel no I could I could not go there and also study a lot of of that issue so so I think that is a it's it's a I think I think that

the way you the con the construction of that argument is wrong for people that say because you're Israeli you are biased because you're Jewish you're are biased because you're Palestinian you're biased you have a Palestinian here so they're going to say oh he's going he there is always but mhm and and they cannot see The they are not even convinced that it's nothing you can do in order to show the evidence they say that there is no attack then you show the evidence oh this is fabricated and then they but it's in in in principle

uh it's the human denial yeah it's the human denial because uh if the other to agree with your point of view or with your truth means that they need to get out of their comfort zone sure yeah they need To contradict their belief now and this is where it's not comfortable it's not convenient so the version of truth that we really like very much we like the convenient truth we don't like the Inconvenient Truth that gets us out of our comfort zone and this is I speak from a personal experience my struggle with truth then

even let's say you arrived at a c a certain dimension of truth which is uh elusive it's a it's not even a Paradox it's a matrix infinite Dimensions this is the truth so speaking of Truth is a big deal you know no I don't claim that I uh convey the truth I because I cannot but I live truthfully that's a very different story now how do I have the medium do I have the human language that uh convey the truth that I have lived mhm I only have two-dimensional language to describe multi-dimensional reality any human

language will fall short hence The delivery is incomplete then on the other side there is a denier who does not want to listen it doesn't matter how powerful or rational you are because they are going to choose whatever they are going to believe and this why I said many times the alternative to the simple truth that someone who has lived it and you deny it means that you will have to live the same atrocities the same human suffering the same pain and that's what Human Experience mostly about pain otherwise humanity is not learning anything if

there is no pain if we do something wrong against the Universal Design we feel pain immediately it burns or it's too cold it's uncomfortable and this is how God or truth is guiding us to uh towards Perfection towards emancipation towards absolute freedom but as long as we are resisting this truth then we are participant in in this violence so the people let's say you say Maybe they are evil Yes actually there are people who enjoy stories of rape there are people who enjoy violence there are people looking for a violent cause because this is how

they project their hatred otherwise they are going to project it on the children in the neighborhood and if they are punished it say in the United States by uh the court of law so they are afraid but it's much easier to go into a cyber Universe on X or on whatever it is and attack a Different cause but by doing so what they don't understand that the the cause for children to die in Gaza because infinite forces have been at play in the Middle East whether if it's coming from Iran Russia China even the United

States and the rest of the world everybody's projecting their own hatred on the cause so the conflict is not only between Hamas and Israel it's a universal conflict where we bring our garbage into that region and children have been Paying the price how do we stop that how do we stop the human uh delusion you know as long as we are not seeing things for what they are they're going to be uh victims and predators uh they're going to be when a majority of humanity is unconscious is only concerned of food and security they will

be guided to the slaughter house eventually so as long as the majority are sheep and I don't mean to disrespect But this is as a person who traveled so many cultures and as a person who fought against my own monsters um and I get uh a lot familiar with my my mind uh it's very easy to be a sheep just give give the person uh food sure uh and they're going to follow the shepherd even though the shepherd they think that the shepherd is their best friend this is the problem of the sheep so they

keep following until it's too Late they find themselves in the slaughter house and the knife on the throat uhuh that's the mentality of the sheep so then so uh you you you I've seen you you talking about this that uh and you've you've told me before earlier about uh we can't bend to Hamas we can't lose to Hamas right so uh you think the only way and there's also the thing the the point that Hamas will not stand down right they they're not uh willing to to talk To solve this problem peacefully so uh you

suppose the only way of dealing with this is to end hamama right absolutely that would mean uh the end of many people you know to as like your father or something like this true so it's a very strong of course uh proposal right it is and uh I personally made a choice long time ago uh between the tribe interest uh and the higher interest of uh Humanity of collective Consciousness and I made my Choice long time ago and I paid for it of course I I don't disrespect my father I always honor my parents and

it's not personal right now right now it's Global many people are dying uh and if my father is inciting for death and distruction then why he should be exception why should he be different than the children of gazah MH so if he's okay with thousands of children to die brutally in his war that he has been waging against Israel I think he should Be the first otherwise if I to encourage thousands of people to go to death I better go first but not go hiding somewhere in safety until everybody go die for the cause this

is deception and hypocrisy so it's a it's a a very important point before I forget [Music] mhm let's say if the Palestinian cause was a just cause let's say if Hamas was Really a non-corrupt loving people who are really dying on behalf of the children of Gaza let's say hypothetically which is not true okay do you think what's more important the the suffering and the death of many innocent children or dropping the cause completely what's more important well so for for those who you know sit in comfort in Brazil or in the west and say

okay it's Justified because it's Occupation we immediately blamed it on the occupation but what happened to the children in the process and what's more important a political entity that we will achieve somewhere in the future and burn generation after generation after generation and by the way when they arrive to this political entity called a state a Palestinian state they're going to find that nothing has changed because since when a government or a certain System would solve The Human Condition or guarantee the happiness the satisfaction the Emancipation the absolute freedom of its citizen how many countries

we have and people still suffering in Brazil in the United States everywhere so if it if it's not the cure for the Gaza problem problem then why why to fight this infinite endless fight in a vicious cycle of violence where we are burning children on one hand on the other hand Hamas leader sitting at the Four Seasons in Doha flying private jets so this contrast and this gap between the actual victims of the conflict and the Predator sitting on a throne of uh of gold so with that this is where I have the fundamental problem

and in this case I say I don't care about Palestine I prefer even if the occupation was the biggest curse I Prefer the occupation to be the ruler the governor of this children because they care a lot more towards the Gaza children than the Hamas and the other Palestinian leaderships wow that's a strong point you're making there and also uh but in a way uh that let's say uh Israel is not uh uh they are actually trying to to to own the region like like uh I've heard some people some claims uh like they they

are they have Never stopped expanding they are uh going through a some land that were that are not assigned to to Israel I've heard that okay yeah they they combine Maps the combined Maps you know the combined Maps yes that they they put together the maps of the Jordan pal no Palestine region during the Ottoman period and there was no Palestine I know but they do that in order to create the the lie so they put the Palestine during the Ottoman period which was not Palestine State and then and then then the the the the

PE not the peuk commission but they put the the general assembly of the partition plan and then they put the borders of 67 which is a little bit smaller and then they put H and then they put the Palestinian Authority which is actually the first actually land that was governed by Palestinian leaders in history right and also they bring victims from Syria that were killed uh many years ago and they say those are The victims of Gaza mhm and people don't know the difference they just see death but more than uh how many hundreds of

thousands died in Syria 400,000 500,000 400,000 no yeah but 4,000 Palestinian in Syria were died in during the dur during that war so now you can take the footage from Syria and say that this is happening Gaza now and this is Hamas propaganda and the rest of the world look oh my God you know but this is not actually uh Gaza at all that's that's The game uhhuh uhhuh yeah but what what you just said the last time uh it was it kind of well some people would say that it justifies uh not justifies but

that uh would give Israel the right to keep expanding right uh for example oh so they care a lot more about our children so let's give them right land right so uh let's let's just let them I don't know overtake land that were not assigned to them and uh that's a that's A uh some people would say that right well I tell you something back in 1947 prior to the to the establishment of the state of Israel and becoming a member of the United Nations and international recognition of this uh newborn uh State uh the

United Nations and the International Community gave the P gave the Arabs the chance to build a Palestinian State an Arab State Side by Side the state of Israel and now we are talking about a very small land it's a belt on the Mediterranean Sea a very small it's like the beach then comes the hill and it it's finished this is what it is I can ride from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordanian River if I go a little bit fast I can cut the whole thing under an hour this is how short the entire thing

so the United Nation thought it was a very good idea to tell okay we do two States two countries two ethnicities in such a small short belt mhm so okay let's say that they were genius about their idea you know those who I'm sure they were sitting far away never been to the territory they don't know how big it is how many square kilometers then they decided the future of generations so let's say if that was a smart idea to do why Arabs did not take that opportunity and build a Palestinian State back in 1948

well that is a very good question So that's the first question then second what they did they said no first we need to destroy the state of Israel as a condition to build an a Palestinian State M so their focus was not to build a Palestinian state or a Palestinian Nation their focus has been to destroy the state of Israel to anhil the state of Israel they came back in 1967 United all Arab countries Israel was extremely Outnumbered with an attempt to destroy the state of Israel and a miracle happened they lost the war and

Israel very minority very small army One Nation versus hundreds of millions of Arabs and they lost the War I don't I still the Arabs still don't know how they lost the war against Israel and probably Israel doesn't know how they WN the war so now Israel as a result of that war controlled the territory where the United Nation proposed a potential Arab country next to the state of Israel and that's the West Bank that's the West Bank that's the Gaza today mhm now I ask you a question who decides the future or the control of

this territory the Victor who won the war or the defeated who initiated the war so if we want to talk about uh justice in my opinion before the 1967 war yes the Arabs could claim and say yeah you know this is a territory a Promise was given to us by the inter International Community but when they choose violence as the only option not dialogue not negotiations not coexistence with Israel then Israel is not obligated to negotiate with the Arabs regarding this territory because the new territory in 1967 was the territory controlled by Israel as outcome

of their Victory against uh Invaders came from Iraq from Syria from Egypt from many other Arab Countries so Hamas today is repeating the same mistake Israel withdraw from Gaza many years ago and they told them hey you have a beach Place make it into a paradise but they did not want to recognize Israel right to exist then the International Community it was not only Israel the International Community kept Gaza Under Siege and until they come to realize that they have to realize and recognize Israel Right to exist but instead of doing the easy way to

repeat the same mistake the Arabs did back in 19 uh 48 what they said no we are going to invade the communities and ethnically cleanse everybody in our way and now Israel what did went back into Gaza took control of Gaza so we asked the question one more time who will write the terms to the other the Victor or the defeated if Israel win the win the war in Gaza this War I think they will have the right to decide the fate of Gaza and to decide the fate of the West Bank so we're not

talking about expanding territory because they want to steal the territory from the Arabs well I've heard that too uh but on the other side yes it's it's just a propaganda it's making the mistake then they they blame Israel blame the International Community and play the victim card all the time but you started this chaos you started this Mess in 1967 and all the wars that followed 99% of the wars the Arab wars did against the state of Israel the Arab initiated it what does that tell you Israel has the power if it was for them

to control Jordan and to be ER expanding their territory by the mean of force they could have could have done it many years ago the thing is that the this this this argument that people's people that you call other side he is the he's also Palestinian so it's not Other side I mean this is the side of of the academic truth or academic or or just a in lies and and and Israel went out from Gaza 80% in 1995 and then the other 20% in 2005 which which land they are trying to grab I mean

people are saying that Israel will control Gaz again and build settlements this is this is nonsense I've heard nothing going to happen Israel not control an next Gaza it's There is no legitimacy to do it Israel doesn't want to do it there is no political wish to do it yes but nobody can guarantee we don't know how do we know politically Israel does not have the intention but Israel also doesn't know the future because I mean I mean security control for for some for the Palestinians you mean for some years but listen nobody's thinking about

the possibility how the world the war is Going to end because the war is not is not finished yeah and if things keep escalating and let's say Israel has to pay a big price in Gaz where Mass murdering against its soldiers as they are trying to restore order on the southern border let's say if Hamas had a surprise a chemical weapon that they going to throw on a on a Israeli city if if Iran would get involved in this war if hisbah would get involved in this war then we are talking about a regional War

Could be World War II and after that if things can go in a way that nobody is predicting today mhm uh then if the price that Israel has to pay because of the war in Gaza is a very high price then I'm afraid there could be the relocation of Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank and you cannot blame Israel if Israel Israel today after October 7th will never see the Palestinians as uh safe neighbors ever again it the Palestinians Hamas they Open the wounds of Holocaust uh uh uh history and this is the

what they don't understand that now the Jewish people in Israel they biggest concern is not about territory Israel is already a superpower and what makes Israel superpower not because how how many square kilometers they have it's their economy it's their genius it's their intelligence uh it's their connection to the rest of the world it's their contribution to life it's their Innovation this what's make Israel does not count it like Hamas you know how how many Square uh kilometers I have and the more territory I have the more powerful no Israel is a very small country

yet very powerful and they know it's not about how much land I have but for Israel if you look at it from security point of view do I want to have a a community that close to my border where they can cut the fence any Time and surprise me by WIP out an entire community so for all the Israeli Jewish strategy from this point on they will have to take this security threat into consideration this why I say it's really too early to decide even the fate of Gaza there could be a possibility that Palestinians

have lost everything they had because of H Hamas uh uh genocide committed on October 7th and honestly I would not blame Israel for whatever they're going To do to make sure that their communities will be secured why do you think uh uh the other like uh Iran or Hezbollah why they're not in open War along with Hamas because of the United States because I think their original plan and this is from day one I asked uh my president the US president I asked him on a national TV multiple times that you need to move the

American nuclear power to the Middle East of course I'm not advocating I'm not asking him to use It but for someone who's son of that region and understand the Arabian ego if they don't see Power they are not threatened and if the United States of America was not behind Israel in this war Iran hisbah hois even Iraqi sh forces including Syria would be all United hitting Israel on multiple FR fronts simultaneously but the only thing that changed the United States send its Nuclear power and that what changed the game that they saw the determination of

the United States that we are not going to let Iran we're not going to let healah and the wild cards like Hamas Islamic Jihad all orchestrated by Putin of Russia is that a fact look it's a theory okay I tell you I tell you ER I tell you what is a fact what Hamas delegations did on multiple trips to Moscow over the last Two years what were they doing with the kgp what what what is the connection between the Russian Administration and uh Hamas terrorist group what's the Russian interest then what's the Russian interest with

hisbah who fought side by side in Syria with the Russians uh to save uh Assad regime and what is the relation between Russia and Iran that provide them with drones to attack in Ukraine then we can ask also what is the connection between Ukraine war and what Happened in the Middle East because the moment Hamas ignited the war in the Middle East nobody talked about Ukraine everybody forgot about Ukraine and this is exactly what Putin wanted could be coinci coincidence that Putin oh that was a very good day for me because nobody now is talking

about uh Ukraine but you know why it was also very good day for him because his birthday on October 7th wow that's a big coincidence what a Coincidence so of I'm not uh uh I don't like conspiracy theories you but there is something there I don't know what it is I don't know what the exact Theory but there are facts on the ground that we cannot ignore so basically the United States of America as basically the superpower look at the situation uh from this perspective doesn't look at it from emotional point of view this why

many Americans saying you know don't give Israel the support but the US government say it's not about Israel it's about the global security and if we don't go to the region now what will happen Iran would be more aggressive hisbah would get involved and we have a regional War could lead to a global war uh and that's a responsibility of the superpower uhhuh this is why you know you are bombing Hamas civilians are dying and it's devastating it's devastating but there There is no way around it you will have to deal with a very dirty

war Savages started in order to to uh bring uh chaos under control that's a very difficult decision to make right killing I mean civilians will get caught and stuff and uh do you think that uh if Hamas is defeated we're going to have some kind of Peace in the region yeah we'll get to this point but about killing civilians and uh uh civilian casualties MH during war is There a war without civilians dying I suppose not how many how many millions died during World War II uhhuh you know before the United States drop uh a

very dirty bomb or two bombs on Hiroshima Nagasaki and that was the only time when Humanity had to say okay enough is enough we stop the United States had to wipe out entire cities women children women human race and that was the only uh time uh where the war stopped mhm so this is why I say we are all taking part in this war and many of us uh by the name of Peace this is the danger mhm they're just saying seize fire but or saying Pro Palestine well is it actually Pro Palestine or is

it anti-israel is it pro Palestinian children or is it anti- semitism so you don't know the real motive then and all of them in the same street uh participating in the same crowd and each individual projecting their own hatred But you don't know real their real motive they could be actually unconscious of their uh real motive this is this is the problem of humanity so I say okay if you want war and looks like a majority of humanity seems to be frustrated and looking for a revolution uh maybe we are in debt maybe we are

we hit a dead end in our civilization and we really so desperate for change so we want a revolution and many times I said if we choose Revolution then we have to Be willing to pay the price because it is going to be in blood that's what they did this is what Hamas did this is what's happening in the Middle East and if we went to take it to much uh bigger scale to become Global into a World War I because we are so tired of our systems and we want a radical quick change then

many of us will will die in this Pursuit the alternative to that is to make the war stop in the Middle East just make it stop in Gaza and that does not happen by Calling for a ceasefire before eradicating the Savages who would start a war tomorrow they wouldn't hesitate start stting Another War so the correct view uh as someone who knows the region very well that eradicating Hamas is inevitable we remove them from Power then after that systematically we need to eradicate their ideology by bringing education then after that towards peace and stability we

need to build economy We need more education then we need to let the people uh heal this this is going to take some time if we have the correct foundations and the correct vision then peace will happen on its own but now to talk about peace while everybody's dying and bombs and now it's it's up to the gun it's not up to the rational mind mhm and this is why in war it's chaos and I think the best we could do is to contain the situation and again containing the Situation doesn't mean escaping the resp

responsibility by saying okay seize fire quit fighting but okay we let's say we quit fighting now and what will happen with Hamas they they just they will heal they'll come back they will they will stay in power they will get legitimacy they will prove to themselves and to their likes around the world that violence works then we will have to deal with a much bigger Monster yeah so uh but is it effective uh to end uh try to end Hamas in this War uh while their leaders are in another country I mean there are leaders

in Gaza and outside Gaza but there are there there are three four important leaders despite the commanders of Divisions kind of Divisions but there are three or four leaders Muhammad yak and others uh in Gaza right now okay and and of course there are the the International what they call the international political pil and in Doha and yeah yeah so being in Doha makes uh well they they will probably get will will will be assassinated by this Israeli Secret Service one day like happened in the during the after the the attacks on the Olympic Games

in Munich that that that Black September assassinated 11 Israeli athletes all the people were caught after took some years but but they were Caught it happened in many other in many places in the world by the way in Lebanon Syria and yes in Libya and was what what made you uh I've I've read uh some statements saying that uh you were blackmailed by Israel or you were brainwashed by Israel in order to kind of change sites and and what really happened what made you what what did you do to break free of the Indo indoctrination

um since my childhood I had problems with Hamas and uh since my childhood I question things about that culture and I had my trouble with the culture I paid the price you know as a child they beat me up everybody beat me up from the teacher to the parent to the parents' friend to their friend uh in the street in the school by the principal in the school I was a troublemaker there were were many many rules that I did not like about that culture I was uh tied up to a post and whipped by

electric cable where I lost my breath just like you see in a uh slave uh movies you know stuff like that when I was still a child it created the uh it did not destroy me but it created the a reubel inside of me and that wanted to rebel against that violence and Hamas is part of that culture it's very violent culture it's a rape culture uh and I learned how to confront and how to fight for myself because I I knew that I Wasn't doing anything wrong I was just being adventurous and how can

you just blame a kid you know for breaking the rules uh this is why today when I see the children of Gaza dying because of selfish leaderships who actually are going to pay the price whether they are in Doha or in Gaza or in Moscow wherever they are they are going to pay the price and they're going to pay the bills in blood I promise you this I promise you This because I was part of that operation so uh there was a problem between me and Hamas and the the Gap kept uh widening until uh

uh I reached a point uh where I was uh ER working uh against them together with their worst enemy my father's worst enemy which is which is Israel uh now you can say did I have personal motives to fight Hamas yes I did uh did they have principles to fight Hamas yes I did uh did I was I curious To to understand the other side and to understand the other world which is uh the Israeli intelligence a very mysterious world you don't know how they work I had many uh uh motives that brought me to

to work against Hamas this is my own truth and as we discussed earlier it doesn't matter how many times I'm going to repeat it or try to explain it of how it came about it will continue to be irrelevant to an outsider because they will just decide whatever that uh Help them in their denial uh because it's very easy to sit outside and judge but I dare any of those who think that they are Judges to step into my shoes for even a moment because my truth will crush them will level them and I know

what it takes to be truthful I know what it takes to go against the flow of a society I know what it takes to die for who you are for your all false identities of self to Drop it to crucify yourself you know and hence comes my connection to Christ Consciousness that I know what it really means so they can sit outside on the side uh on a sidewalk and uh think they can judge Giants for living and I say uh all those who sit outside and judge I see midgets and I'm not concerned of

their opinions well okay not about their Opinions but uh you do live a a dangerous life right you do well I suppose so because uh there were some security guards here to check the room and and do they have guns ah I suppose so yeah he risked his life he does every day no no but when he was uh working with Israelis to avoid the terrorist attacks one of the attacks was against chimon Paris right H and I've read about it and and he was risking his life in order to save Lives every day yeah

Shaman Paris is dead anyway yeah because he's he died natural death a natural totally natural death but he was president at the time and uh he was the foreign minister Minister yeah we had information but it was a teamwork and I I agree with you it's uh there is there is danger there there is there is a threat but if we are profound in Our Truth uh and there is we That we are so profound in our understanding then we are secure in our own flesh and this is is the main source of security mhm

uh the security outside now you see is provided because we have a public event and also can be a threat to the entire Community sure yeah but while I'm on my own I don't walk around with security I don't walk around with guns uh if you are secure uh with yourself then this is your best security and death eventually will Happen uh and in fact you know what I learned that the most dangerous place is your bed and your bedroom this is where 95% of a Humanity die in their bids well that's a good statistic

right so for me it's uh uh I prefer to stay in Freedom and if death comes we are infinite we are Consciousness where the the body is uh permanent State and it will Decay more importantly not to have a moral Decay Not to have uh rotten Consciousness that is below animal uhhuh uh so this is how I choose to live and if death occurs then it is going to be my absolute freedom W okay uh uh you've been living in the United States for what 20 years uh I migrated to the United States back in

2007 okay so it's uh so uh okay uh what do you think is your what are you what are you do what's is Your goal in your life right now uh what what message would you like the world to hear is that what you're trying to do to spread the message or uh uh how things really work in the Middle East what you're trying to do I mean why are you why do you put yourself in a position where you are a top voice in this kind of of of conflict you know it was all

accidental okay um and this is the way it works I Think uh there is karma uh and uh we cannot control uh everything because for example I wrote the book about my experience in Hamas this one yes uh that was uh about close to 15 years ago did I see that Hamas would carry such an attack and he become a global a global situation I did not uh arrange it mhm so you cannot make up stuff like this and did I represent myself as a top voice on the thing I was living a very simple

life on a small Island prior to that war and everybody started and you got to come back and I was like I was literally living shirtless and uh Barefoot uh this is what I did free diving every day of my life I'm far away from the Middle East and all this problem I was not confronting anybody but everybody start calling you got to come back you know you have to say a word and uh I had responsibility first of all towards my country United States Cuz many people in the United States uh were and still

confused uh there's lot of hatred and some Insider needed to come uh and talk to public so this became an obligation a moral obligation towards my country yeah the country actually that took me after my own family and my own tribe rejected me uhuh so the least way to say how I say thank you to my country uh so I I never represent myself as like the advocate of the cause now or The top voice or or the one with the cause to change the world with a great message mhm I don't have a message

there is no such a thing as message what message message of Now Message of yesterday and do I want actually people to stuck with my message today I limit them it's not my right ER if I want to do something I like a good fight and when I see a just fight in even though going Against the flow of a majority especially MH and I know that it's it's a righteous fight then I take on the task because I love good fights I that's nice yeah yeah that's nice um also very dangerous we could finish

with that but I have a question uh many people that going to be seeing this uh consider themselves Palestinians um are part of the left or The even part of the extreme left which are protesting in the streets with Hamas Flags many of those are not Arabs or not Palestinians are Brazilians they don't even know what's happening yeah they don't even know what's happening they don't know even what Palestine is yeah probably or where is Gaza and um and but many people that feel very pity about the and pain about what's going on in Gaza

get very angry uh with Israel and Of course they blame uh this kind of Destruction and uh they compare the number of death MH and they are not specialized in the specialist in the in the conflict and in the end in the end of the day it creates uh more problems of hate and and Division and this became a a polarized issue in many other countries Brazil is not as polarized with with this issue as England or Canada or United States where you have thousands Of people in the protesting and violence and actually physical violence

but we have people in Brazil that don't understand about what's going on there they don't understand the history of Hamas of course the what you what you said that they are not an a Freedom Movement they are a religious fundamental movement not a national movement but but in but but in in the end of the day we have to try uh uh to to explain I try to explain All the time the difference between uh uh different aspects of the conflict which kind of uh if you if you if you may give one message or

one answer to those that are watching that are going to the streets every Sunday every Saturday or they call themselves prop Palestinians which is okay to be prop Palestinians the people uh but they in in in the way of being pro Palestinians they are being pro Hamas they are supporting Hamas they Are supporting Hamas or they being anti-israel or they are being an Israel look I'm not surprised of the mob because again uh part of them uh will be Pro Palestine part of them will be anti-war part of them will be anti-Semitism part of them

will be anti-israel we don't know their motive and I don't anti-American or maybe they have self-hatred the least to say in this case I never Try to rationalize with the mob because you cannot rationalize with the mob you're right H but at least I can talk to uh the president of Brazil because when it comes to this position of responsibility uh you are not just Mo on the street okay the map can be emotional they see some photos on social media and some uh Iranian uh ghost is creating some social Media account and bringing people

down to the street and the Sheep is following and they don't know even who's the master in this case and who's actually behind those accounts bringing people down to the streets so but for the president who has Intelligence service under him who has all the think tanks who has all the advisors cannot be ignorant on the topic and when I say ignorant based on his statement to compare a democratic state that is at Self-defense and a Savage terrorist group and say okay the terrorist group is violent and the state of Israel is violent well how

can you compare the two cases one case is a democracy that when they went to war they voted on that as ministers as a government the government itself was dissolved and a Unity government was built with all parties left right Right Center they brought all the leaders of the country all the Veterans all the philosophers the thinkers and they waited before they started the war while Hamas had a secret plan and they launched a genocide they did not launch a war in self-defense to eradicate a Savage group they initiated a war turning the whole region

into uh chaos and the globe into chaos with very sick IDE ology while Israel is a civil Constitution country that has Arabs Muslims Jews Christians Buddhists Hindus has relations to Muslim and non-muslims Nations so now when the president of Brazil make the comparison uh based on how many people died here and how many people died there this is the Judgment of uh an ignorant person on the street that I would not even waste my time to talk to them but as a president we should know the difference between a genocide systematic killing of infants a

Hostage situation you know Hamas committed three major crimes this is what what uh everybody who's listening need to understand the first crime genocide second crime taking human Shields third crime kidnapping hostages to bargain for the release of Hamas Mass murderers who spending tens of years in prison back to the street so they can carry more terrorist attacks so now I compare this to uh a Modern developed country that has all the diversity of life in it and say why because there there are like thousands of death here and thousands of death there or many thousands

here and many th less thousands there this is not how we weigh the situation is the question why and how these people die and why and how these people die what's the motive behind the two uh forces and what's their objective Israel objective is to restore Order to contain chos Hamas started Hamas objective to begin chaos and to end order so it's clear this is how we want to see it so at least I can talk to your president to wake up and the rest of the country I hope that they are listening and if

they're not listening I don't think it's going to make any difference it would just spread more hatred if if they keep acting based on ignorance of the topic at least uh if they really Want to take part then educate yourself more on the topic so they can you can make uh correct statement well thank you maab for coming thank you for your time it was very enlightening thank you a lot really for uh Andrea thank you very much too always a friend thank you very much are you going to uh to give me my size

my size is small okay okay brail do you do you use uh social media Would you like to tell people to follow you somewhere uh I would love to have some followers from uh Brazil uh they can follow me on X Just Be watchful for some fake accounts taking my name and uh doing all type of crazy stuff uh I have only uh official account on X and it's uh mosab Hassan Yousef it's your name it's my name basically okay so uh and he has he follows zero people so this is their you noticed yeah

well that helps Finding you that's the real account it follows zero people okay uh uh thank you for coming thank you [Music] for nice one I like it uh you sound you sound Brazilian already because I am Brazilian he's a citizen of the world