Session 95: Dylan O'Brien | Therapuss with Jake Shane

[Music] Hi [ __ ] Tonight we have on Dylan O'Brien in the therapist office. I have been watching Dylan since the Teen Wolf days. I was a big Teen Wolf fan when I was younger, so it was pretty amazing to get to have him in the therapist office and also talk about his new movie Twinless with James Sweeney, which is out already. It is literally incredible. I can't talk too much about the movie Because I mean like I I could but then it would ruin it. Like you kind of just need to go in blind.

It's really really really amazing. It like really it really captivated me for like the entire time. like it was I it's a really really good film. Especially if you're young and gay, I think you should really see it. It's amazing. Also, if you've ever dealt with grief, it's it's like actually an amazing movie. But yeah, I got to talk to Dylan about Teen Wolf, Twinless, how Old he thinks I am. I just got back from New York, so if I feel a little down, that's why. Um, I love LA. Okay, I love LA. New York

is too intense for me and it's it's funny saying that because I grew up there but it's just a lot of drinking and you know I puffy and I'm tired and I don't know how people do it anymore but props to them cuz they Julia and Payton props to you guys cuz I don't know how you do it. I was literally suffering on the last day. Um but I had a great time. I had an amazing time in New York and I love it there. To submit tell me what's wrongs, go to passport.com, click tell

me what's wrong and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Okay, enjoy the episode. Love you [ __ ] >> Yeah, you have great energy. What's your star sign? >> Yeah. Do you want to get into Do you want to start with that? >> Well, I guess. Yeah. >> What is your star sign? >> Do you want to start? >> Do you want me to guess? >> Actually, yeah. >> Okay. Are you a Leo? >> No, but I'm a rising Le present. >> Checks out. Oh, wait. So, you know. Okay. So, are you

uh >> Oh, yeah, babe. I know. >> Are you a Capricorn? >> No, but I'm like flattered. >> Okay. Are you a Libra? >> No. >> What are you? >> Virgo. >> When's your birthday? >> August 26th. >> Happy belated. >> Thanks, babe. Yeah, appreciate it. >> Thanks. Um, >> listen. Uh, it was the 26th. I was flying uh on my birthday, which I actually like enjoyed. >> You like flying? I'm at peace in the air. >> You listen to music? >> I don't know what it is. Oh, yeah. All kinds of stuff. I'll either

be >> all kinds of stuff up there. Um yeah, I'll either be um I'll either read, I'll either get like work done uh or I'll completely just have a [ __ ] off time. >> I'll always be on an edible. >> Okay. So, I used to have I used to really really do that on planes. Yeah. >> But it just it got too far. Oh wow. >> I was smoking I would smoke like every day of my life. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What happened? I went through >> I was just I would get so anxious

on it and then I was like >> I think I think I need to lose weight and I don't think this is helping. I >> think you're fine. >> Well, thank you. Well, that's cuz I stopped smoking weed. >> Um uh yeah, it is so funny, isn't it? It's like we I do crack up about this even smoking now. Like I have I'm fine smoking now, but >> are we ever fine the first 15 minutes after we finish? Like why do we choose that? >> Because it's so creative. Everything tastes better. Everything sounds better. >>

But that first 15 minutes is hell every time. It's so funny. >> I got high and watched The Conjuring This weekend. >> The new one? >> No, the O the OG. >> Are you preparing for the new one? >> Mhm. Yeah, I am. It's one of the scariest movies I've ever seen. >> They're competing with us. >> They are. >> They're on the same weekend. >> Okay. Well, I think Twin List is better. I watched Twin List this weekend. >> Whoa. Let's save that. Thank you. Do you want to save it? >> Save it for

>> Do we go back to star signs? I'm like all over the place. >> No, it's that makes sense. >> It's over. It's over. >> No. No. I mean, we can keep Do you want to guess what star sign I am? >> Are you a Libra? >> No. I've never No one's ever guessed that before. >> That is interesting. Well, I mean, we just met, >> right? Right. We like have been talking for five minutes. Um, just another shot in the dark. I don't know. Are are you fire? >> Are you Earth? Cuz I'm I'm

a little earth sign, baby. Okay. So, you're a Pisces. >> No, but I love Pisces. I'm a Scorpio. >> Oh, incredible. >> Gemini rising, Gemini moon. >> Incredible. Okay. Well, >> what's your moon? >> My moon's in Pisces. >> That's why we get old. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> This is exciting. >> I I know. I love Pisces. My best my best friend's a Pisces. So, >> but you like Pisces men. >> Uh, yes. >> I was going to say I feel like with Every >> star sign, hear me out. I feel like I'll be

like, "Ugh, love a Scorpio." And then I'll be like, "Corporio men though. I don't >> No. Okay. >> Scorpio men is one that I do, I have a lot of Scorpio men friends who >> are November or October Scorpios. >> Oh, November for the most part. >> Oh, God bless you. They are a lot. Yeah, >> Scorpios are a lot. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But I'm an October Scorpio. >> I have one in particular who goes way back to high school and he is the most insane friend I've ever had to this day. >> Does

he lie frequently? >> That's interesting. On like a deep level, no. I actually very surface level quite honestly. >> But yeah, I mean he's so chaotic. >> Yeah, Scorpios are they're all over the place. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, you just shot in Portland? >> Yeah. Let's move on to Portland. >> I just shot in Portland. You actually visited the set I was on the day before I got there. >> Oh my god. Wait, you were on that movie? >> Yes. I saw the announcement after I went there. That's so funny. But I didn't know when

I was there. >> And you saw and you were like, Jake, I know him. >> Well, I was like, I'm about to meet him in a couple weeks. >> Okay, cool. >> So, um, that's so funny. What had you heard that I I >> They were like, "Dylan O'Brien just visited set." >> And I was like, "Oh, really? He's going to come on my show next week." >> And then they were like, "Really?" And I was like, "Yeah." >> Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. >> I love Portland. >> Like we worked with him on a whole movie.

You're like, "Yeah, but I haven't seen him." >> They said, "You're the busiest person of all time." >> Me? >> Yeah. They said you're really busy. >> Is this a joke? >> No. Why? Why? >> I take like long breaks in between doing things like that. So >> what do you do in breaks? like live. I was just talking about this like I' I've live really normally. So I guess to people it seems like maybe people to the this the industry I guess or or >> people >> that is people. >> Yeah. It's such a

bubble of like a specific lens of the world I guess, right? And I just sort of don't I don't know. I'm just kind of what do I do? I mean, I I I Live very normally, I feel like, and and that that includes I really like um winding down with like periods of isolation. >> You like being alone? >> Oh, I mean, I love my alone time. It doesn't mean I'm fully isolated. Like, it's not like I'm in like, you know, it's not like I'm on like a darkness retreat or something. >> Like, I have

my dog and, you know, I take little trips. >> What type of dog do you have? >> He's Do you want to see him? >> I have to turn my phone back on because out of respect, I turn it off. >> You turn it off? You are so respectful. >> Yeah. >> I'm also like, you know, a millennial. >> Wait, I love millennials. >> Do you? >> More than anything in the world. >> Really? >> Yes. Lena Dunham's a millennial. Love Her. >> Wait, that's so cute. I'm like I'm I'm so obsessed with hearing that

because I feel like I guess I feel insecure about being a millennial. >> Do you feel insecure about being a millennial? >> Clearly, I'm I think I'm realizing it right now. >> It's okay. I think I'll feel that way one day about being Gen Z, but that time hasn't come yet. >> No. How old are you? Guess 22. >> Oh, thank you. I'm 25. Thank you. I'm 25. Somebody once guessed 29. It was super foul. >> Oh, okay. I was going to say, well, yeah, it was exciting to see what you were so ecstatic about

um before you revealed your age, but it was just the awe first. >> Your phone case is so artsy. Is that Wildflower? >> I actually don't. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. The brand. Yeah. Oh, you you use wildflower. >> Yeah, babe. >> You're kind of That's kind of Gen Z of you. >> Okay, that's Oh, interesting. I didn't realize that. I just thought it was really pretty. >> It's that's a gorgeous case. I kind of want one. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Close up there. I thought you were vaping. That's so funny. >> Is that an

aura ring as well? Just >> uh It is. Yeah. >> You like those? >> I mean, I love it. Yeah. I guess I I guess what I didn't uh anticipate about it is how many people uh would ask about it. >> What a thing they would be. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it would be a little more discreet and I'm just like, "Oh, yeah. I'm tracking my stats." And I do love that aspect. You I see that you don't have one unless you're rocking a toe. >> I know. My my mattress tracks it for me. >>

Um Oh, >> yeah. >> Hold on. Need to talk about this in a second. >> I know. Everyone's always fascinated. It's sleep. >> Okay. So Tony is >> Tony, you are Italian. >> It I it was Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's based off a pasta noodle. >> Riotoni. >> Yeah. But it's with a Y. I spell it with a Y. >> Okay. >> But that's him. >> That would be your dog. So cute. >> He's really funny. He's amazing. >> How long have you had him for? >> He's four and a half now. So yeah,

I mean I've had him for >> So he's a co dog. >> Uh 2021. So yeah, I mean it was going on but not really because here's why I reject that. >> Okay, you tell me. >> Um, yeah, because like I feel like a lot of people got dogs during initial quarantine when they were sort of strapped to their houses and they're like, I'm bored. I want something to play with and then like kind of gave the dog to their parents once the world Opened back up again. So, I don't want to claim that experience.

Like, I >> when I got my dog, things were already opened back up. I was very like intentional about that because of socializing the dog. I love that we're talking about this right now. Uh >> well, I clearly I take it very seriously. I think I'm only realizing that now. >> Um >> but you socialized the dog. >> Oh, yeah. like he was um even uh I think he was 5 months the first time I flew him and that was like cuz I knew obviously he was going to need to uh be able to travel

with me and stuff. So a lot of his training early on in puppyhood was like geared towards getting him ready for uh flying. Yeah. >> Oh right cuz he must fly everywhere. >> Yeah. >> So sorry the TV out there is so loud. Oh, you have unreal hearing >> and I can't you know you know >> Oh, it's us. >> It's us. >> Well, it's it's just because I watched Teen Wolf last night, so you know, my hearing is very >> Okay, so tell me about this. >> Yeah. >> And by the way, what a

fluid transition. Um >> I felt that one, too. I was like, I just transitioned. Well, yeah. >> What? Um Yeah. Tell me about watching TW last night. Well, I was in bed and I was like to my best friend, I was like, "Well, you know, Dylan O'Brien's coming on tomorrow. Why don't we watch Teen Wolf?" You know, I used to watch it all the time as a kid. >> Really? >> Uh, yeah. >> Okay. >> I was a big MTV guy. >> Oh, amazing. >> So, I was like, >> when it came out? >> 11.

Well, I started watching MTV when I was nine cuz I started watching Jersey Shore. >> O, >> which I know you love. >> Scandalous love. Yeah. >> I mean, >> all time. >> All time. >> All time. >> Snookie's been on the show. >> You've had Snookie? I went to her house on in the Jersey Shore. >> I'm freaking out. >> And then we went to the bars. >> Unbelievable. >> We went to the bars. >> Shut the [ __ ] up. >> Swear. >> That's incredible. >> Swear. >> Oh, I need to I I'm

going to watch this Episode as soon as I as soon as we're done here today. >> We can FaceTime her later. >> Are you serious? >> Tad serious. >> I'd be so curious to see if she has any idea who I am because obviously early Teen Wolf days, we were always like in spaces with them, >> right? >> But, you know, it was very like they were them, >> right? She was her. She is her. >> I mean, she is her. >> It's my favorite show of all time. >> So, like I The only interaction

I ever had with Snookie was one time we were sitting in some communal green room space at some thing and she was like sat up on a couch and it was just kind of like this and I just went, "Hi, Snookie." And she went, "How are you?" >> She's her. >> I loved it. >> Yeah, she [ __ ] rocks. >> She took me to the bars on the Jersey Shore. >> Yeah. How did this go? We we blacked out. We ate fried pickles and she lost her wallet. >> My dream. >> It was insane.

>> This is my dream. >> Yeah, it was amazing. >> This is incredible. >> And then Giani pulled up with all the Kids. >> It was like a thing. It was like the best time of my life. >> Yeah. I love them so much that like it's hard to describe it to people. >> No. If you don't watch it, you don't get it. >> No. >> Have you ever been on Law and Order SVU? >> No. >> Okay. Sorry. Sorry, I just assumed >> like as a kid or something. >> Yeah, I just assumed. >>

I didn't start acting until Teen Wolf basically immediately before Teen Wolf. That's what I was cracking up at you putting on the pilot. You said, right? >> Yeah. You You enter upside down. That's my first introduction to you. >> Yes. Yes. And I'm wearing I still have that t-shirt. >> I know. I You wear it research. >> I know. >> Okay. >> You wear it to every set. Is that like an OCD thing or what? >> Might be. Uh uh. No. Oh, I guess it's a touch of Hang on. Are can you still hear me

if I'm doing this? >> Well, Nolan can now >> sound vape guy. >> Yeah. >> Uh now, >> yeah, if you project a little bit. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Um No, you know what it is? It's just a touch of sentimentality and I don't know. It's like a one little keepsake from the show. I mean, that show is so many years of my life. >> Did you do every season? >> Yeah, I did. I only missed some of the episodes in the last season. So, I think I ended up in like 93 total and there

was 100 episodes. >> So, remind me what >> what happens to Styles? Do you become a werewolf, too? >> No. >> You become a hunter. >> No. >> So, you become a vampire? >> No. >> You just stay styles. >> Yeah. >> You want to know one of my deepest darkest fears I got from that show? >> What? >> There I don't know if you remember this. There is some girl and she's climbing. It's in gym class and she's climbing the rock wall and she like tastes blood in her mouth and then she has a

seizure. So every single time I taste blood or metallic in my mouth, I think I'm having a seizure. >> Oh no. >> Because of Teen Wolf. >> Wow. This is interest. I do want to know. It's so hard for me to I guess Know like what Teen Wolf was to kids who were kids, I guess, when it came on. You know what I mean? like what it would be compared to for like my generation like what I was watching or something. I don't know. Um >> I was watching that. I was watching like Vampire Diaries,

like Pretty Little Liars, Gossip Girl. I was watching all the soapy stuff. Scandal. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Soapie Scandal. Supernatural. >> I never saw Supernatural. >> No, sorry. I meant uh in genre wise. Yeah. I never saw >> You never see Scandal? >> Scandal the show? >> Yeah, >> I'm aware of it. I don't I don't remember ever watching it. It's really good. >> Next time you take isolation time >> is scandal shonda rhymes. Am I totally okay? >> It's Shondeland and it is >> simply the greatest >> copy. Okay. >> You got to What

else do you watch >> like now? >> Like now so I can because you calibrated my taste. I want to calibrate yours. >> Oh no. I'm so it's it's really like it's hard to pin down. Uh it's another thing I think I might be insecure about that we're finding out. Uh I I I do like it's like I say I tell People that like you know I I I I watch reality, right? Um but I it's not like I'm like a Bravo head. It's not like I'm watching every housewives show and it's not like I

consume it like that. So, um, but I also kind of like I I do watch a lot of movies, but like I think really ones that How could I possibly give you an example? >> I watch like really bad movies, but like >> like Trolls. >> No, I don't know. I was just like, what could this possibly be? >> Don't be mean to Trolls. >> No, sorry. >> Feel like it did pretty well. >> It did. And I think Rihanna wrote a song for it. So, >> um, did she? >> Yeah, she I think she

wrote like multiple. >> What The [ __ ] >> Yeah, she that's the only music she's released in the past 10 years. >> Trolls. That's incredible. >> She can do that and still be her. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> Like if I was in Trolls, it, you know, it'd be over. >> What? I'd be like O'Brien's in Trolls. >> You're so supportive. >> Maybe I should You hear that? She says I'm so unsupportive. Really? Your manager? >> Yeah. >> How did you guys meet, by the way? What's this dynamic?

>> We used to be co-workers. >> Still are. You're like, "Now I'm her boss." >> No, no, no. But like she we I her I her boss. I was the assistant for >> copy. Doing what? >> Being a really bad assistant. >> I was a really bad assistant. >> You were an assistant. It's like not that amazing of a story, but for Yeah. One I when I was 18 >> sports world. >> No. >> Kid I was live kid I was living with um um was an assistant to the this music producer who was uh

cutting Katy Perry's album at the time. And like I uh had just done the Pilot presentation of Teen Wolf. So that means that like we had just shot like half of the pilot as like a presentation to maybe get green lit. And so I was out I was going going to community college at the time. I was going to Santa Monica Community College and I was kind of waiting for the winter there's a six week winter semester that I didn't attend because I had to go do the pilot. So I missed two weeks and I

whatever. So I was doing nothing. and he needed Somebody to cover for him for a couple days and I was like, "Yeah, I'll I'll do it." You know, uh and then so basically ended up I was there so on time uh 10:00 a.m. Uh got in there. I remember the day before too I had asked the kid I was like, "Is there anything that I need to know? Should I come in today? You show me like around." He's like, "It's so chill. Don't even worry about it." And so I was like, "Okay." And then I

I go in there. It's really funny in hindsight Now because I'm like I so need to know like that stuff. I get so overwhelmed. >> Well, I will later find out how to like did they you have to like transfer calls. >> Did I not know how to do like any of it? >> Yeah. >> Uh so basically I got in there and there was a list of what would sound like really simple things like make the coffees, order the sandwiches, walk the dog. >> It's not simple. >> But I immediately get to this like

mouse trap looking like espresso machine. That's obviously one thing that would have been really useful to have been like taught how to use. I had no idea how to make the coffees. Um the sandwiches was like the only thing that I could like call and order, but the place wasn't open yet, so I was like, "All right, I'm going to table that for a second. I'm just going to like try to Figure out this coffee machine, but I was kind of freaking out like hearing people arriving." Uh and it >> Do you remember where the

sandwiches were from? >> Uh no, no idea. >> Yeah, I would. >> This was a This is so many lifetimes ago. Um, but like I remember basically just freezing and and not getting any of it Done. And then by the time like the kind of older assistant came in and was like coffees and I was like no. And he's like sandwiches. And I was like no. >> And so he was like dog [ __ ] on the floor. And I was like oh yeah he did. >> And then the producer came in and he hands

me 40 bucks. He goes you know man you just take off. >> And you left. I was home at 11:00 a.m. on my couch. >> How did the hell did we get here? >> I don't know. But isn't that kind of beautiful? >> Yeah, it's really good. It's really our conversations. >> No, I'm really enjoying talking to you. This is >> Yes. Where did you look just now? >> I just like around I was kind of nervous. >> I don't know. >> Well, I was going to ask you said you did the pilot presentation for

Teen Wolf. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, when you did that, were you like, "Oh, this show's about to fuck." could not have thought that less >> really. You were like everyone's gonna hate the show. >> I mean, not even that necessarily as much as like um it was just I don't know. I was 18 and to me like it was it was MTV. They kind of like they didn't scripted at the Time. >> Awkward. >> It was that kind of was the other one that they had another one that preceded uh those two. >> RJ

Burger. No, >> it was something it was something about someone going missing. >> Yeah, maybe that also came up. There was a lot that came and went in the time that >> uh Teen Wolf and Awkward were kind of on which was like um and then as soon as we both ended the I think they went away with from scripted. >> I don't think they're doing scripted anymore. No, >> I know. So, so no, like I mean it felt like a very very deep cut thing. If anything, especially like, you know, I think a large

part of the reason that I even Felt like I got cast on the show, which I was getting a lot of sort of audition rejections based off my like no experience, >> which was like um and then it felt like this was like they were willing to give me a shot, which is really >> great. Um, and but I certainly just thought that I was going to go and get this experience and cuz I had never acted before. Like this was a I I did not grow up acting. >> So, what made you want to

How were you like, "Okay, I'm going to act." >> This is a really funny uh I don't know if I've ever talked about this like um >> Well, you don't have to if you don't want to. >> No, no, no. >> Okay. >> I'm just like I'm like how long do how much time of yours do I take with this? I'll try to truncate it. It's in any type of rush. If you're not in any type Of rush. >> Um, >> okay. So, like I uh I was in high school and I was coaching a

little league baseball team. >> You like baseball? >> Do I like baseball? >> I guess enough to coach little league. >> Um, that's not why I coached little league. >> Okay. >> But I do love baseball. It's like Yeah, It's like an obsession of mine. Yeah. >> Mets, Yankees. >> Yeah. I'm a huge Mets fan. >> Okay. Oh, >> Yankees. >> Oh, >> but I don't really care. It's just like >> I know. I was going to say >> it's just cultural. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You You cared enough to give me the

>> Well, just because it's like Okay. Like I know I grew up in a Yankees house. >> Yeah. Yeah. I get that. >> But I like the Phillies or the Eagles. Sorry. >> Um I don't have like a loathing of Philly. Uh I don't really loathe teams. I don't We We have Okay. Sorry. >> You were coaching little league baseball. I was coaching a little league team >> uh as a junior in high school. Um, I had I'm used to make silly little videos. This was like YouTube >> OG days, right? I did not have

subscribers by the way. >> What was it? Movie nerd. >> What was it? >> Movie kid. >> Movie kid. Yeah, >> but whatever you want. >> Okay. >> Um, you're like movie loser, [ __ ] Dumbass. Uh, >> I was like, no, uh, just kid. But you really ran away with that one. Uh, >> sorry. >> No, so it's so fun. Um, uh, so yeah, I was I had like little silly videos. They kind of I guess just within my school and like townish like had become somewhat known that I had done these videos. >>

What were the videos? >> I was outed by my Spanish teacher. You two. >> Anyway, um I What do you want to do? Do you want me to keep talking about this? >> Yes, I'm interested. >> Cuz I I'm over it. >> So you're over it. Okay, we can move on. So you started acting, people [ __ ] and moved on. >> Yeah. Yeah. I like again still no not didn't think it was like that at all. Um The the videos got seen. >> What were the videos? >> Sorry. Sorry. I just What were they?

Look, I know that um we were getting along and >> Okay, I'm sorry. I just want to know. >> But I'm still really sensitive. Okay. Uh they were they're still there, I think. I don't have my password to take them down. Uh so they're still there. >> Would you like review movies? >> No, no, no. They're just really silly little uh sketch type funny silly weird little videos that I Yeah, I guess there there was a degree I at one point I I had like a talk show in my like computer chair. >> I used

to do something similar a critic's point of view. >> Were you also lonely? >> Yeah, quite lonely. >> Well, it's amazing how that breeds, you know, these types of things. Like I I I Seriously think about that a lot. Um, even with with so much with twins coming out, we've been talking so much about >> kind of themes of loneliness and experiencing, you know, if you've experienced periods of that in your childhood, how informative that can be. Um, and so I think that's so much of like what brought me to that project. Uh, and interestingly

enough, it is what kind of brought me to doing this at all, cuz It's it sort of bred my being alone in my room and uh, you know, doing what I thought was fun, which was like making little videos. >> Oh, it's a great transition, by the way. >> I didn't even mean to do it. >> Yeah. Well, you you know, you could do this full-time. Yeah. Okay. Well, when I when I watched Twinless, I really, you know, I I really related to Dennis. And then my mom was like, "What?" >> No, honestly, good on

you for even like >> admitting it. >> Yeah. >> Well, my mom was like, "Why you relate to a liar?" And then I was like, >> that's so funny. >> And I was like, "No, I just feel bad for him. Like, he's so lonely." >> Yeah. Well, like this is uh not only I I think there's such a um kind of a litmus test of your relationship to forgiveness and Loneliness. And >> what's litmus test? >> Oh god, >> sorry. calibration of >> a litmus test refers to a question or issue who whose answer or

stance on it will determine a person or group's true beliefs or >> I don't suitability >> I don't know I don't know >> he just told you the exact specific Definition >> you're like I don't know move on with a different thing um it's a good barometer um uh or or like measure of your kind of relationship to forgiveness like by the way we're just sort of learning this and seeing responses to the film and loneliness and and things like that. So much of what the film deals with, you know. So, I love that you

have that uh reaction to Dennis and again that you even had sort of the willingness to Admit that you had that reaction to Dennis because I don't think that a lot of people would share that. Um or even if they did, they would kind of feel like, >> you know, weird about admitting, >> you know, he gets attached easy. >> Yeah. But I don't want to because I kind of went into the movie blind. So the first 20 minutes on the second 20 minutes I was so taken back by it and so I don't necessarily

want to tell people What happens. >> No, that's what we're uh fighting in the marketing. >> Right. So like like I was >> why nobody wanted to buy the movie. >> No, it's getting great reviews it seems. >> Yes. No, I mean we have had uh it listen it's been a journey with this film. We're super proud of it obviously and um um but going back to the relating to Dennis thing, it's so nice that you had empathy for that person Because going back to the difficulty of getting this movie made a large part of

it um was because people sort of deemed that character to be completely irredeemable and were scared of that. So >> Well, yes. >> Yeah, but that's human. >> Yeah. Do you think they Well, I don't want to spoil it. I know. >> You think they became friends at the end? >> I have a like I have a really positive uh Yes. I would say like um encouraged hopeful take at the end. It is obviously kind of a story of these two guys who you know have this um connection in like a chapter of their life

that brought them together for like a specific reason. And it was like a really sort of like effortless and comforting kind of um relationship that served them at the Time in a way that like at some point h would have an expiration date, but that doesn't mean that they're not going to have like a you know re sort of uh textured um >> friendship going forward is what I would think. >> Right. It was hard to watch. There was moments where I had to pause it like in the little art museum. Pause. I was so

stressed out. Uh, double date dinner. Pause. I was like, I I was so Stressed. I kept texting Louise. Oh, I'm so stressed. >> Wait, what stressed you out about the double date dinner? >> Because what the the the guy from Abbott Elementary. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I was like, pause. I was like, I got to pause. So, did you go to any food trucks in Portland? >> Um, yeah. What was their uh >> sandwich? Did you get that sandwich food truck? >> No, I never did. It's It's so the food I mean obsessed with

the food in Portland. >> It's amazing. >> I love Portland overall. The food food is a huge part of that reason, but um there's so many other elements like that go into that as well. Like just I'm I'm a huge fan of Portland as a city. My favorite spots foodwise like were I don't even know that they're Did you Ever go to Realman Tavern? Do you know this place? >> Real Minm. >> Do you know what it is? >> It's just like a really dive bar place with like um that serves fried chicken. They have

one fryer. So if you order fried chicken, it takes like over an hour to get to you. >> That's But it's incredible. >> And it's a really really good dive bar and really hokey funny. Um I mean just Amazing amazing place. Pizza. Baby doll. Do you love baby doll pizza? I hate pizza. Sorry, I didn't know to do with that. Clearly, it just killed me. >> No, I I hate it. >> I felt that. >> Yeah, I think it's just >> I believe you. >> I know. And some >> Have you always hated pizza? >>

I think one time like My friend ordered Domino's and I was like, "Why would you order Dominoes?" Cuz I'm from New York. And then >> it's so fair and like I agree with you. I don't hate pizza. Um, you love baby Dominoes. Like, >> get the [ __ ] out of here. It's I mean, it's a >> to also not um, you know, I don't know, talk [ __ ] about Domino's lovers out there or something. It's just like a whole You love it, don't you? >> I could say the eyes. The eyes. >> Well,

she's she's from she's from Alabama. So, >> I'm from Atlanta. Alabama. >> Oh, that makes so much sense, though. But also here, are you willing to say that Domino's Sorry, should we turn the cameras or >> Yeah. Yeah. She's God. Um, it it's a different thing. You know what I mean? It's it's Do you do you even put it in The same category as pizza? Is that a weird question? >> Pizza, >> girl. >> No, you can get better pizza delivered than that. >> Well, I hate pizza overall. >> We know. >> Yeah. >> I

like There's one type of pizza I like. >> One's frozen pizza. Thin crust. >> Yeah. >> Truffle pizza. >> Okay. >> It's the only thing I can do. >> Bougie. >> I know. >> It's the only thing I can do. The other stuff I'm like >> your taste. I love your taste. >> Really? Well, like Yeah. I love the range of you like like Jersey Shore Boardwalk. Boardwalk blacking out with Snooky and then also being like uppidity about pizza. I'm obsessed with >> I guess I do have range. Wow. You should come here all the

time. I'm having a great time. >> Oh, good. >> Are you? >> I'm really enjoying myself. >> Okay. I'm really enjoying myself. >> You would know if I wasn't. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. >> You can't hide it. >> Not really. No. No, I can't. >> You're just like I'm >> No, it's part of the problem I have doing what I do. >> Uh well, not the Yeah. The stuff >> like press. >> Yeah. >> Understood. >> You know what I mean? >> I know what you mean. >> It doesn't serve me. >> Mhm. Well,

I think >> being fake would actually serve me so much more. It really would. >> It's funny because your job is to technically be fake. >> See, I Well, that's not how I think of that at all. I mean, >> totally. >> That's okay. Hey, it's okay. >> Well, no, cuz like uh uh uh uh it brings up an interesting conversation. I think there's there's definitely different um There's so many different elements that go into it, you know. I think like uh uh if by being fake you mean obviously inhabiting a persona that like isn't

doesn't align with yours necessarily, right? >> Um I think I just had received it as being like well I sort of only can uh the only way I could even do it is by uh like going off of things that I know or real things that feel authentic or else it feels fake and then and then it Wouldn't be good. Oh, no. I just meant like acting. [Laughter] >> Well, that's what I'm talking about. >> [ __ ] my life. >> What did you think I was talking about? >> I don't know. I don't know.

>> I was talking about, I guess, like how I approach what I do. Where? How the hell did we get here? >> What were we talking about? Pizza. >> Isn't this beautiful? >> It is beautiful. Pizza Portland food, >> right? >> Have you been food trucks? You asked me about food trucks. >> Yeah. Bamboo sushi. >> No. >> Okay. Have you been to the Russian place? No. >> Okay. >> Was this all Where were you stay? >> I stayed at this place called >> Which quadrant? >> It was like the It was like a a

hotel and they had a thermal springs. >> Okay. >> Cascada. Cascada. I stayed at the Cascada. >> It's called Cascada. >> Cascada. >> Might be Cascata. >> Yeah, but I would say Cascada, too. >> Where did you stay? You stayed in a house or a hotel? >> I stayed in the very tiny little back House of a woman's property in um uh South I was southeast. I have no idea where I was. So, what were you near? >> Um, so like Hawthorne, uh, like which was Baby Doll Pizza. Uh, uh, um, um, the sandwich spot

that I loved was Oh my god, I'm blanking right now. Getting lost in your eyes. >> Thank you. >> I'm blanking on the sandwich spot because my god, those baby blues. >> Really? >> Um, >> they're Hazel. So, >> it's right there. It's >> You know what? But clearly we were in different areas of >> Portland. >> I'm so But you visited the set I was on with two days. Did do you guys have like a similar run set? >> Uh I wasn't there very long. I really don't like being on sets when I'm not

working. >> Why? Cuz you just want to work. >> No. No. This is interesting to unpack because I don't really know what it is. Uh uh I was actually thinking about it a lot after I left that set. By the way, really quick, did you enjoy Was that your first time? How did you enjoy it? >> Best experience of my life. >> Amazing. >> Like literally best experience. >> Wait, so how did you come to this? Cuz I Even when I saw this, I was like, "Oh, I didn't know he acted." >> Well, basically, >>

you didn't know either. >> Basically, I um I So, I got Do you know Graham, the director? >> I don't, but I met him. >> Okay. I got dinner with him, Lewis, and Ka, and Graham was there and um I was crashing out over this guy. >> Okay. >> And I was just like um like really just having a full-on crash out for an hour and then Graham was like, "Do you want to be in this movie?" And I was like, "Yeah, I want to be in this movie." See, that's incredible because I I you

do have that kind of like energy that is like the type of infectious you are just you and that is enough. Uh, no, that is like kind of I can see of I would cast you and like I'd Be like you just really you Yeah. Like I would just be like >> well you let me know. >> But I get it. I get it. Like I and I and I'm commenting from somebody who um I would never like come to a dinner with somebody and have them be like, "You should be in a movie." >>

Really? >> Yeah, I would say. So, well, it's never happened. So, >> okay. Well, maybe one day. >> And I'm even an actor. >> Right. Right. >> I go around with my card and they're like, "Yeah, we don't have space for you in this one, but thanks." I'm like, "Oh, you keep that." >> Right. Well, I do want to act. Like, I've taken acting classes. I was in hacks for a little. I did see that cuz I looked up here. >> You did? >> I did some research, too. >> You did? >> Yeah. >> Sometimes

people come and they like don't know about anything. >> No, I did a little research. A little homework. I didn't watch the Snookie episode, which I don't know how the [ __ ] I missed that. >> It's great. We meatball chugged. She gave me her messy mama wine. >> What type of music do you listen to? >> Oh, interesting. >> Can I guess? >> Sure. >> '8s rock. >> No. >> Okay. I mean like well I don't >> uh '8s rock I guess. What? I like talking heads. Sure. >> Springsteen. >> No. I'm not a

huge >> Springsteen Jersey. >> I know. I know. I I listen I'm I'm not I'm from nowhere. >> You're from North Jersey. >> Here's the thing. That's what I That is what I claim, by the way. But I claim most that But then people don't allow when you're from like because I moved as a kid. Hermosa, >> you did this. >> I did this. >> Um, yeah. It's like if you tell I don't know, people have such opinions about where you're from. So, I I've just given up on trying to say like I'll say, you

Know, I'm I'll say I'm from the East Coast or I'll say I'm from New York area. I'll say I'm from Jersey. Uh, and or I'll say I'm from New York and people will be like where? I'm like, well, like North Jersey and they'll be like that's not New York. And then uh I'll say >> you say you're from New York. >> No, no, no. I say I'm from New Jersey. Okay. >> I'm just giving examples of people's weird opinions. >> Got it. Um, >> you give East Coast to me deeply. >> Yeah. Well, I've I

mean, listen, I don't I also have like such a I went to like a total Cali Stoner high school. So, I mean, listen, I didn't I didn't see myself where I went to high school. It was a total culture shock and a crazy situation. And then, interestingly enough, I like look at pictures of myself when I was like graduating and and listen, hear myself in videos and I'm like, that is so funny. I was just adapting and surviving, you know. It's so interesting. >> Do you Is this home base for you still or is like

the East Coast? >> I live in New York. >> I can't tell if I'm jealous or not. >> I know. I've saw you go through that. >> Like I'm about to go to New York. What? I I leave tomorrow night. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> You travel a lot >> sometimes. Are you going to be in New York? >> Uh I leave I go back on Friday. >> You want to hang out? >> Sure. >> Where? Where? Where when are you there till >> the 14th? >> Yeah, I'll be I'll be I'll be around. >>

We don't have to hang out. >> Do you want to? >> What? What were you going to say? >> Where are you staying? First of all, >> Tribeca, >> that's where I live. >> I mean, it's written in the stars. >> That is upper echelon. >> It's my favorite hotel in the world. >> I agree. Hey, I mean, you know what's funny is even I I got put up there one time for press and that's how I found the neighborhood. >> Do you want to hang out? Yes or no? >> Yeah, I'll be there. Let's

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>> Okay. You haven't watched Friends >> 11 times. I don't know where that number came from now. I did watch Friends when I was a kid. Um Um, >> you like comfort shows? >> Yeah. I haven't Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Friends. Yeah. Friends is definitely like a nostalgic show for me. Like reminds me of my mother. or like it reminds me of my childhood. It certainly is like um I I mean even like my mom would always uh um tell me things about like acting while watching Friends. Uh so so there's like certain like Northstar things

that I kind of look to and I'm like, "Oh, that's cute." Like that like clearly Influenced me. Like I right >> feel like I was a copycat of Matthew Perry from the first like three years of my career. >> That's how I feel about Snookie on the Jersey Shore. Let's talk about that. >> Yeah. So, like I feel like, you know, like I I wanted to be her. >> Yeah. >> I was obsessed with her. >> But did you feel like you were emulating Her energy without even realizing it? >> Well, I just thought she

was so unapologetically herself. >> Mhm. Mhm. >> And at first, people in the house did not [ __ ] with her, you guys. They did not [ __ ] with her. She They were like all talking [ __ ] about her. And then she just didn't change. She stay She stayed Snooky. >> No, I love became the star of the show. >> Yeah, >> this this brings me to this is a good I love talking about this because I feel like people have such a um like I'm so down and maybe it's because I like

grew up on the east coast and so like I'm more familiar with this type of energy, but directness to me is kindness in a way that I don't think people receive that the same way. Do you know what I'm saying? Do you think it's like a respect thing? >> I think that like I much prefer a person Who might be perceived as like aggressive or like >> Yeah. >> Uh or I don't know. I don't know. Um, I but I just think I way rather have somebody not conceal their feelings and tell you straight to

their straight to your [ __ ] face like if you've pissed them off or whatever without any type of like that to me is so much easier uh and comforting in a relationship where you know where you stand in a way that I Feel like most people for whatever reason are so allergic to that type of thing. >> Do you know what I'm saying? No, I know what you're saying. And I was about to say I preferred the opposite, but then I actually was really thinking about it and I think I agree with what you're

saying. I would much rather if someone's angry at me to tell me why they're angry at me instead of me playing a guessing game. >> Yeah. And obviously we can, you know, Yeah. there's certain levels of like, you know, line crossing and whatever and aggressive tendencies, but um and tempers and things like that. But yeah, I I I just feel like so many people like live dishonestly in a weird way that we're like afraid to I don't know um tell someone that they've like hurt our feelings or uh like say like, "Hey, I'm sorry that

like I did that." >> You know what I mean? Like I feel like That's even >> I'm a big apologizer. I love that. >> I'm a big apologizer. >> To the point where people say that it almost means nothing anymore, but I am a big apologizer. >> That's interesting. You over a >> like well like my parents used to say like it means nothing and I'd say oh okay. >> Oh my god they're so they sound funny. >> Yeah. Just think about who could have Made me. >> I am. >> Yeah. >> Just think about

that. >> No, I I love that. I feel like I tr I I feel like that's such a that's so somebody that I trust. Do you trust me? >> As like implicitly as one can. >> Right. We mean we barely known each other but >> meeting for you know an hour. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> see millennial. >> I did a look at my wrist. >> Do you watch joke? >> Do you >> I love millennials. Do you ever watch girls? >> I never watched girls. >> You love Lena Dunham >> more than anything. >>

I love that. >> My north star. That's my >> attack this for me. I love this only because I I'm >> I I just am unfamiliar. >> So I just think similar to like I just love people that are so themselves. >> She did Girls. She was so herself. >> She just I don't know. I that show changed my life. >> That's amazing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Everything I've seen of it I've always felt like it looks really unique And like I would like it. I think you would like it, but I can't tell. I

can't tell if like when are you're more of a movie guy. You're saying you're like prefer movies to television. >> But yeah, but it's not as pretentious as that sounds. >> No, it doesn't. I It doesn't. But like >> like I I I I'll if you look at my like, you know, uh recently watched list, I think it would be >> What's your recently watched? >> I God, what's the most recent thing I watched? How comfortable are you sitting here while I think of this? >> I'm so comfortable. I just want to make sure you're

having fun. >> I know. What? Yeah. What were you? >> I was just thinking. Sorry. Sometimes I rock back and forth. >> Wouldn't it be funny if after I spoke about like being honest and then like I just wasn't having fun at all, but I was Faking it this whole time. >> I think I would cry and question my worth. >> See, because it's confusing and scary and how can you trust a space like that when all of a sudden it's like, "Wait, none of that was real, >> right?" >> No, I you would know.

I'm telling you, >> I think I would know, too. >> Yeah. >> And I'm not just saying that, but I Think I would I would know. >> Yeah, you would know. >> Like I look >> I have no skill to hide it. And >> And that's beautiful. >> Well, at least for me. And that's >> No, no. I I agree. I rather be that way. >> Yeah. >> But also, I feel like I I also feel like I I have no skill to hide it. But then I feel like maybe that I don't know. I

don't know. >> So, what movies have you watched recently? >> Oh, yeah. Uh, I watched Show Girls a couple weeks ago. That was the last one I watched because I love Show Girls. >> I've never seen it. >> Is that the reason you must? >> No, that's the last Showgirl. >> No. Oh, yeah. That was the last Showgirl. No, shows is um a masterpiece. >> Oh, I'll give it a watch. >> Um Paul Verhovven. uh director. Um >> you read >> Basic Instinct. >> Do do you read ever? >> I re I read in ways

that are odd. >> Like the most recent thing I read actually I didn't read this. I listened to it was Dei Moore's audio book. Uh her memoir. >> She has a memoir. Yeah. >> She talk about the substance. >> She doesn't. >> Great. >> Yeah. So, like I or or I have, you know, then my um I have such like I'm such a like self-help book guy. >> Really? Let them, >> right? Like let them. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I know I know of that, but I haven't dove into that. That one hasn't consumed my

life. Um I'm also somebody who Yeah. my my output with reading, I think, is very sort of um uh reflective Of my ADHD. >> I have ADHD, too. >> I was going to ask you that six minutes ago. I'm not even kidding. >> Really? >> Yeah. I can't remember what it was that we did and I was I was going to be like, "Do you have >> Was it Was it the Aderal comment when you walked in?" >> Oh, no. I totally forgot about that. >> Oh, Yeah. I was I was deep. you were like

diagnosed as a child. >> Um, >> sorry I said that with like such a >> No, I don't think I was. I think I don't even think I needed a diagnosis. I think they were just like, "You have it." >> They're like, "You got something." >> Yeah. Like you have that, >> right? But that's Are you grateful for that? >> My ADHD. Not particular. >> No, no, no. For having it be uh something that was like that you knew about at a from a young age. >> Well, no, because I wasn't prescribed anything. >> Copy.

>> So, I wasn't helped. >> Interesting. interesting. But you could but >> but in terms of your own sort of um like >> like mental >> learning about it and then and learning About yourself and how you click and did you find like those things to be helpful? >> No, cuz I knew I had OCD too and >> they >> were and I I knew I actually needed to get on meds for that and I couldn't cuz my dad was super against meds, right? >> And so that was I was frustrated. How severe is your

OCD? >> Really bad. >> Really? >> Really, really bad. >> What is like an example of your comfortable? >> Oh my god, I am so comfortable. I used to like I used to when I was like when I would add a song to a playlist, I would have to add it four times. >> So when I would go through I know it sounds stupid, but when I would go through New Music Friday, like I would have to like it would take me forever to like find the music I like. When I would Watch >> like

Netflix, sometimes I'd have to watch a scene four times or whatever number I decided that day. Um, I just like think about how anything and everything could be difficult. Everything was difficult. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I used to cluck. >> What's up? >> I used to cluck >> like a chicken. >> Yeah. So, I used to count to to the number like two and like I would have to like really like emphasize the two like I'd have to cluck my tongue and so everyone would be like, "Stop clucking." Was it just something that um that

you were like it just >> came to me one day >> and you just felt like the like physical need to clear it? >> Yeah. It was like I need to everyone to Know I just I counted. >> I get it. >> What are you therapist about today? >> Wait, what? >> What? [Music] Did you weave in the theme of the show again randomly and then and I was thrown for a second? >> I'm sorry. I just need to Don't be sorry. >> Okay. >> They held up like qards to you behind you. They were

like back on track. >> Yeah, that's >> you run a business. >> You got a brand. Um you feel very happy golucky. I feel like they're they're I mean are there things you're angry about today? It's really funny that you say that. >> Why are you like an angry guy? >> No, no, no. Uh, no. I No, I'm not. >> I think I have like a life sort of that has I've I think I've had a lot of times in my life of of being surrounded by a lot of anger. So, I've had a lot

of anger in my life. And I think as an adult too, I kind of uh am really aware of my relationship to that type of thing and um having like been brought up in those types of spaces, I guess, or at least experiencing those types of things. Um, and so but no, actually I'm like happy to report that uh into my like adulthood it was actually like a really relieving thing for me to realize that no, I'm not an angry person. I just think that I grew up with a lot of angry people. Um, so

it was a very early like language that I learned. >> So you want to like counter that by being like maybe more positive? >> No, it's not even that. I I still I just Don't I I it's not my knee-jerk thing >> to be angry. >> No. >> Yeah. >> Um but like Yeah, I can get upset for sure. I'm a very sensitive person. >> Are you really? >> Yeah. Did you not >> I can't get that from you. >> I feel like you have pretty thick skin. >> That's interesting. >> But I also just

met you. I'm very sensitive. >> Yeah. Well, sensitive um Yeah. I guess sensitive can have so many meanings as well. Like um >> Really? Yeah. What do you think? >> I just like I don't know. >> Like there's so many facets of sensitivity like in terms of you know in your relationships and kind of to other people's feelings. >> Where are you sensitive in your Relationships? >> I'm really sensitive to other people's feelings. >> Oh, so you're like an empath. >> No, wouldn't say that. >> Oh, >> definitely wouldn't say that because I don't know.

I feel like also I feel like an empath is like when someone cries I cry and I'm like I don't that doesn't happen for me. >> I never cry. >> So yeah, I'm not I'm a pretty rare crier, too. >> Yeah, I don't cry ever, actually. >> It's so That's interesting. >> Yeah. >> Do you want to talk about that? >> Well, the last time I baldled >> Yeah. >> I Do Do you want to guess? I talk about this every episode. >> Do I want to guess? Yeah. I heard a You got a sigh

from your manager >> because it's every episode. Do you want to guess how many when the last time I really baldled crying was >> um sure >> take a gander. >> Um >> that's Patrick. >> Oh, I'm Patrick. >> Yeah, >> that's my father's name. >> Oh, wow. You are Irish. >> Oh, his name is Patrick Brderick O'Brien. >> Yeah, that's Ireland. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh, so guessing on the last time you baldled, uh, >> uh, were you like did it have to do with >> I was 19 and it was in

college. >> You were like, >> it was in college. >> That was it. I was 19. It was 2019. >> And what was it? Because of >> I was super [ __ ] up. >> Okay. And I can definitely >> I saw this guy that I liked to hang out with someone else and I started crying. >> There you go. >> Outside of Macaroni Republic. >> That's understand. >> I just looked at the camera cuz they all know >> macaroni. Have you been to Macaroni Republic? >> No, I've never even heard of it actually. >>

Okay. So, they have a bunch of different types of macaroni. >> I That would have been my guess for Macaroni Republic. >> You have a favorite restaurant in the world? >> In the world? >> In New York. You got another sign. Are you over it? >> No, I didn't mean to do that that time. I swear. >> I know. That's why it's more compelling cuz this one is felt a little over it, didn't it? >> Do you want to get into the tell me what's wrongs? >> Is this another Oh, you're giving You're like move

it along. >> What is up? Like, do you not want >> Are you kind of like the brand back on back on brand? >> Yeah. What is the vibe? What was >> I don't know. >> She goes, I don't know you guys. >> Oh, I don't know, you guys. >> You guys. Oh yeah. Not I don't know. >> Do you type really fast? >> I can type fast. Why? Yeah. >> Because I was talking with somebody about this the other day um on set in Portland and we were talking about how in high in school

in elementary school when we used to do the typing test. >> Yeah. >> That's all. >> I was going to I was I would have been curious to know your relationship to typing. >> You think I type a lot? No, because I think because you're like a because you're a decade younger than me. I didn't know kind of what if the like I we were like learning typing like I remember learning typing when I was like 10, you know, and but I guess it would make sense that you would be if anything More experienced from

a younger age. >> Mhm. >> So I did the opposite there. >> Mhm. Patrick, >> my roommate has a drinking problem. The problem is that they're not >> What's going on? Tell me what's wrongs. >> Okay, go. >> So the Oh, so I'm so sorry. >> How silly of me. >> Yeah. What? Are you okay? >> Yeah. I mean, just I'm 34, >> right? Do you ever go to a chiropractor? >> No. >> You go to therapy? >> Yes. >> Okay. I don't go to a chiropractor, but just recently um uh I had like a

neck issue that I needed like in the last year. Did you >> really bad? It's really bad. >> And but like I you know what cleared it up immediat uh about it and and nothing happened and you know what cleared it up immediately. Uh physical therapy. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> I don't know if I have the patience. >> Sorry that I clearly held a little angst there against uh >> the chiropractic experience. >> You do acupuncture ever? >> No, but I have done it before. >> Cupping? Not a big cuppper. >> I think it

looks funny. I think I might be slightly phobic about the way cupping looks on skin. >> Are you scared of circles? >> I don't think so. >> What is it? Typobia. >> Tripophobia. >> How do you know that so fast? >> Ryan has it. >> Oh, wow. >> Huh? Who's Ryan? >> Best friend. >> Best friend. >> Oh, yeah. >> You have a best. >> So, the tell me what's wrongs. The [ __ ] write in >> [ __ ] >> and they tell us what's wrong and we just give them advice. >> [ __

] yeah. Okay, >> let me My roommate has a drinking problem. The problem is that they're not an angry or sad or even an annoying drunk. Even worse is that they're actually kind of fun and I love going out with them. Sounds like me. However, they're waking up at like 1 p.m. every day. We're both in our early 20s. Do I do anything? I did that in college. Not to normalize it, but I did that in college. Yeah, I think the both the both in our early 20s Things is kind of the answer there. >>

I think if it progresses past that. >> Yeah, it's it's they're living their life. That's uh it's they've got time to figure that out. >> That's my take. >> You gorgeous take. How long have you been in therapy for? >> Um since I was 25. >> Like me. >> Correct. >> But I miss therapy. I missed it today. I guess technically it was 24. >> You missed it for this. >> I was so excited to cancel. I love cancelling. >> I was like, "Oh, yes, cancel." >> Because you feel like it means you're soaring. >>

It's just like whenever I'm in therapy. Last time I took therapy, I was shopping for clothes. So, I was on the phone like shopping. >> You just do it over voice call in a store. You need to How does the therapist feel about this? He's >> like, "What are you buying?" >> This doesn't sound like therapy. >> It's not. And I'm like, "Well, I'm getting my friend a birthday present." And I was like, "Do you guys have this in red?" They did. And then I was like, "One second." Cuz I had to Apple Pay. And

I Apple paid. And then sometimes I take it while I go grocery shopping. I Okay. >> And then sometimes I run into people on the street. I'm like, "Oh my god, I haven't seen them in forever." >> I love um I want to point out something real quick before we get too far past it. I love that you say that you take therapy. >> Yeah. Like a class. >> Yeah. >> And I don't do well. >> Yeah. >> Cuz at the very end, she'll be like, "So your parents?" And I'll be like, "Got to go.

I'll see you next week." >> Right. Yeah. That's like where it should be starting, right? >> Yeah. She used to help me get in fights with my friends over text. She'd help me like craft out messages. It doesn't sound like um they're challenging you. >> No, she's fabulous. She went to Palm Springs the other weekend. >> I love her. >> Yeah, this sounds like your buddy. >> Yeah, she's my friend. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. >> Have you had the same therapist since you were 25? >> Yeah. >> You are so healthy mindset oriented. >>

Really? >> I think so. >> That's hilarious. >> Okay. No, I mean I appreciate it, >> but >> I think it's normal to not feel that yourself. All right, go ahead. What do we got? >> My boyfriend and I got back together based on all these promises that he would move out with me and be more supportive of me and my job, etc. We were together for seven years, high school sweethearts. We've been back Together for 4 months, and I think we're getting back into old habits, fighting all the time, same old small [ __

] And now he just told me he isn't ready to move in with me. >> Could have told you that. >> Yep. It's pretty cut and dry. My immediate like questions would be how long were you not together for I would assume >> few months is what >> I would assume it wasn't long and that Even in those few months it doesn't sound like they were ever actually they broke up. >> But if you have to get back together based on promises and those promises those things aren't coming naturally to a relationship why do that?

>> Well yeah no they they so clearly just um >> no nothing else. Yeah, just came back together fearing, you know, the unknown and and and the separation and, you Know, that's totally understandable. Uh, succumbing to that, but it sounds like it would be good for them to break up. >> Mhm. >> Do you believe people change? >> Uh, yeah. Um, absolutely. Of course. No. If anything, I mean, I was just talking about not only do I believe that they change, I mean, but you but you have to It's not It's not free. What do

you mean it's not free? >> You got to work on it. Um, so like yeah, I actually I believe in change. I believe in like I'm I'm always kind of uh somebody who's more sort of like mini traumatized when uh people are kind of uh uh commenting on your changing as if it's like a negative thing >> which is I think more common than >> than the other way. >> Oh yeah. people are so afraid to see like the people that they know evolve Into something else and and and it's usually um there's usually like

a negativity subscribed to it. >> Has that ever happened with you where you've been changing? >> I'm clearly talking about uh Yeah. I mean I Yeah, sure. I I just think like changing and evolving um I really believe in and I think that we you know I I would I would support um anyone that I loved uh for change and I certainly Wouldn't like hold them hostage to who they always were you know >> right I think that's tough in the age of the internet >> because who you are or who you were is now

documented >> instead of god oh forget that whole absolutely yeah yeah absolutely Crazy. >> Yeah. >> I want to become an actor but have like no train skills or ideas on how to break into the industry. I live in OC and I'm Wondering if it's worth it to make the move to LA. Thanks. >> Do we have an age there? >> Nope. >> Okay. >> Nothing. >> Um yeah, give it a shot. Go. Uh >> well, that doesn't sound very enthusiastic. >> Well, I because I'm in the this goddamn business. Um, like I would say

give it a shot Flippantly like I did because I guess like it this it's a crap shoot anyway even if you were you know um currently in school. uh uh unless you were somebody who like had connections and you were going to like get representation out out of school you and even then like I don't know you you know you're you're sort of not guaranteed kind of I think opportunity is a very interesting thing in this business but the things that you can control at least Um are like if you want to be doing that

then like do it go to LA find people who also want to be doing it make little things together make a short write a short, you know, write something for you to start. >> Did you do any of that before Teen Wolf? >> Yeah, remember the >> Well, the the YouTube movie kid. >> Remember we talked about it? >> Yeah, but like I mean when you got out here, >> it was like a big part of the conversation earlier. >> No, I know. But I'm just saying like >> Oh, well, no. I was already No,

no, no. I You start balling. >> It's now. I was actually going to ask you. You fake cried so wonderfully in Twinless. >> That wasn't fake. >> Okay. So, how do you do that? >> I didn't. >> You just felt it. >> Yeah. >> It was awesome. >> I've definitely fake cried on camera before. That was >> didn't work. >> No, the one that you're referring to was certainly not fake. >> Oh, got it. Um, and to answer your question, how I I don't I felt so connected to my guy at the I mean, like

I just like it. I don't know. It's it's it's I was I've never been like prouder of anything that I've gotten to do as an actor and and I've been doing this for 15 years. >> It really is so excellent. I texted everyone in my life about it after I watched it. >> Thanks. >> It's I'm serious. It's amazing. It's amazing. >> Thanks. I mean it it I it's an it was an amazing I had the support uh that I needed. You know what I mean? I just Think that is also such a thing that

I feel like gets lost in the fold sometimes with acting like you know uh your performance is only as good as uh the hands that you're in. And uh James um >> who wrote, directed and stars with me in the movie. Uh he yeah just you know is a really special filmmaker and just person and artist and uh so it was it's just I'm so grateful to have had as fragile of a performance As that as vulnerable of a thing as that is to execute. Uh um you you obviously it's nice to have it be

in hands that you really trust as well. >> How' you and James meet like through this movie? >> Through this Yeah. >> Got it. >> Yeah. Um yeah, read the script in 2020 for the first time and we zoomed in 2020 and I attached to the movie and then >> Oh, movies take a while to get made, Huh? >> Well, this one in particular, we it got passed on uh by everyone in town. >> Really? >> Yeah, babe. >> You know, that's always a telltale sign of a really big success. That's what they say. >>

I think it is. And then everyone's gonna be like, I can't believe we passed. >> Yeah. If they even remember. Yeah. But I mean, it's No, it's like it's like, you Know, goes back to what we were talking about. You do you want to get back to the cards? >> No. No. I was just I was I was looking I was I was like I wonder what the next I got sometimes I get anxious. >> Wait, didn't we Did we even finish this one? No, we hadn't. I went on a [ __ ] tangent. >>

No, I think we like You know, it doesn't sound like you're encouraging her to move to LA. I wouldn't encourage anyone To pursue acting, which is like I think a really uh um which isn't fair of me to say. Um >> because you are an actor. >> Yeah. But I didn't pursue acting. I got really really lucky and um happened to just be creating things for fun that happened to get seen by someone who happened to send that to someone else and they happened to call me in. And that is my manager to my current

manager still today to this day. >> Oh, you're loyal. Loyalty is important. >> Oh, she's my ride or die. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> that's how I feel about Louise. >> I get that from you. >> Really? >> Just the whole energy. Yeah. >> So, my question was, >> you guys got a lot longer to go. >> Yeah. What What was the question? What Was the question? I went on a hike with my boyfriend and we came across a mountain lion. I was so [ __ ] scared. And so was >> this one's not

real. >> No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Sorry, that was mean. >> And so was my boyfriend. But the cherry on top is that he just ran away leaving me there. I ran after him and we got in a big fight and he said, "I thought you would start running, too. Obviously, I Feel unprotected. What do I do?" >> Can I be honest? I spaced out. >> I needed >> That's okay. It happens all the time here. Hot. It's hot in here, right? >> No, no. I'm okay. >> Okay. >> I appreciate What do

you sleep at at night? Like cotton. >> Me, too. >> Yeah. >> Well, you know what? After this, I'll Tell you about my mattress. It cools down at night. >> Oh, yeah. And it gives you your stats. >> I tracked you. I told you I snored for 13 minutes last night, >> which isn't that long. >> That's not that long. >> I know. >> I'm interested to know what was going on during those 13 minutes. You might have been deep in. >> I think I was deep. Well, it tells me How it tells me how

deep in it tells me how deep in I get. I went on a hike with my boyfriend and we came across a mountain lion. I was so [ __ ] scared and so was my boyfriend. But the cherry on top is that he just ran away leaving me there. I ran after him and we got in a big fight and he said, "I thought you would start running too." Obviously, I feel unprotected. What do I do? >> That's probably one that you just got to let go. >> You think break up? >> No. >> Oh,

just let go of the I think so, too. I think he thought you were running after him. >> Yeah. And it's like you can't hold someone hostage over like a uh I don't know an instin instinct in a moment of panic. Um and make it about you. >> Wait, I would do that. >> Make it >> then maybe it's just young relationship. You know what I mean? I don't know. Which then is totally fair. And then that's not your dude. You got to go find someone who is going to protect you from a mountain lion

at this age >> cuz that's what you want right now. >> I think we're a little more narcissistic in our behaviors. >> I don't know. I I don't I don't think it's narcissistic. I think like you know I'm get I'm trying to get in her headsp space here and >> I would be like what the [ __ ] like grab my hand like have me run with you. >> Why are you running away? >> Yeah. >> Without being like let's go. >> Right. Right. Right. And that's that I think it just tells um that's that's

information about what you are seeking. Uh >> I think you're looking at what you value >> from a more mature standpoint where it's like come on let it go. He obviously Thought you were running after him. Why wouldn't she run away from a mountain line? >> Yeah. But if this is where she's at, if that's what she's seeking in a person in this current stage in her life, then that's what she needs, you know? And so yes, assert to him that you needed that. And I can't wait to hear what his reaction was. >> He'll

probably say, "Well, next time run with me." >> Right. That's what he said. I thought I thought that you were running with me. Which is incredible. >> Hi, Jake and sexy amazing guest. That's you. >> Oh, >> and they really wrote that. >> Oh, >> yeah. I am a serial drunk caller. I don't drink too often, but when I do, everyone's getting everyone's getting rung. The next day, I wake up to crazy To I wake up to screenshots and people texting me about crazy [ __ ] I said. help me remedy this because I like

going out but I don't want to keep the sub. >> That's tough. Um >> I can't know how to help you. >> Yeah. Um there's should be there. I know that there's like apps at this point that lock your phone >> that do something like this. So get that. >> There's a bigger thing here though that >> you think drinking problem. I think there's there's different types of drinking problems that exist on this planet and and and I think one of them is that like chemically you just don't align and so if you're losing that

much control when you do drink um that would be something to pay attention to. >> Do you like being in control because you're a Virgo? >> Yeah. Like with that said, I mean you would think that I was that I've lived a Very straight laced life and like I certainly have not. But um um I don't uh I think I absolutely have a relationship to control based on many things outside of my forgoing nature. >> Oh, I've never heard it said like that. >> Yeah. Game of Thrones. >> But I'm like aware of it and

so I so it's it's all part of my you know life's practice to kind of tackle the things that I know that I'm susceptible to and that is certainly one of them. Mhm. >> Did you Did I lose you? >> Did you go Did you go somewhere else >> or were you processing? >> I was I'm processing. You're like saying like, "Yeah, I like to control things, but I don't attribute it to only me being a Virgo." >> Yeah. And like I don't think I'm a >> control freak. Like I I I do a very

collaborative thing for example, you know? So I think there's areas of my life that I very much put into practice. Like I, you know, I know that that doesn't serve me necessarily. So I try to not be in I'm not I don't know. >> No, I gota If you don't know, you're probably like not >> No, I do. I think there's certain things that I'm very sensitive to having no control over. >> Like what? >> Um I mean like this stuff for example. I think I think a large part of like why I'm really um

I've never been really good on the press side of my job is because like I hate kind of >> saying [ __ ] and then >> yeah I hate people just sort of deciding that they know who I am I guess you know I think that's a huge one my care I I'm very sensitive about my character >> me too >> interesting >> I I don't know what why do you think it Is for you >> it's a Great question. Do you have what I mean? Yeah. Do you are you on to something for yourself?

>> I attribute for me I attribute it to like my like um I'm very OCD. So one of my things is like I feel like a bad person all the time. So when someone online says like he seems like a bad person, it's like almost validating what I think about myself in my head. >> Oh, that's interesting. >> So I'm like, "Oh my god, if they think it and I think it, it must be true and I must be a bad person." >> Oh, that's interesting. >> So that's why it affects me. But why does

it affect you? I mean, it can be a number of things. Like, I think that um I think like moving as a kid when I did did a lot of [ __ ] you know, and I'm even still discovering the depths to which that affected Things, you know. >> You moved from Jersey to California. >> Southern California. Yeah. When I was 12. Uh >> a tough age to move. >> Yeah, it was. I mean, it was it was it was awful. also a horrible place to move. Like I I've heard of like lovely stories of

right kids moving and I find it fascinating because I just thought that no matter what it was horrible because of my experience but um Yeah so I don't know maybe um sort of my like identity um or like defensive nature of myself that I kind of like had to have as a kid. Even down to like physically, you know what I mean? Like I think I I think I'm just very quick to defend myself in ways that now I don't know in the way that they manifest now aren't necessarily nec as necessary as they once

were when I was a child. >> And it makes sense that it goes back to your movie because like when you're 12 Obviously you're being introduced to all these kids and like your character is probably being like attacked all the time. So does it like ever bring you back there? >> Yeah. I don't know if it's as directly correlated like in that way >> meaning >> jinx almost but I knew what you were going to say >> but like there's got to be like a sensitivity overall to just Yeah. I Don't know. I think I

think it's the the Yeah. defending quick I'm very quick to defend myself. >> Me too. But I try not to do it online. I try to just do it and like >> that [ __ ] >> you can't you can't win. That's But look, I mean, look, I can't I don't I don't even have a relationship to being online because I >> Oh my god. Yeah. You don't have an Instagram, do you? >> Yeah, because I can't. >> You can't. Did you ever have an Instagram? >> No, I never had an Instagram. I like had

like a Twitter. That was like the only social media that I ever had. >> But then I had Yeah, I just like I canned that. I always had phases that I >> I certainly have always been like this. Like I've always been this always been me. >> Yeah. from the second I was like made to Get Twitter when like um >> Teen Wolf. >> Yeah. I remember they even made the account for me and someone was running it like the first couple posts. So I was like I was like well no I I'll run it

like this is >> you know and then I don't know I went through varying degrees of my own relationship to that type of outlet or you know >> you always you feel pressured to have Some type of relationship to it not just for your job but like for society and like normalized standards. So, I kind of always was trying to discover what the hell mine was. And it was a very sort of like ebie, flowy, fleeting different chapters of like me not engaging with it and then and then engaging with it in like a way

that felt authentic to me and then kind of going away from it again and then, you know, I don't know. It was until ultimately I was just like, yeah, This just isn't something that I've ever really wanted in my life and so I'm kind of beyond that. Yeah. No, not at all. >> Yeah. Unfortunately, it very much serves me. >> How so? >> I'm so I'm so addicted. >> But you I mean you made a career off of it. >> Well, that's the that's the issue. Yeah. >> So, I have to be on it all

the time. >> Yeah. >> But ideally >> and you're I would imagine cuz I feel like anyone who makes their career off of this is like really You're probably quite savvy with it. >> I would like to think that I'm savvy with it. >> Well, yeah, you are. >> Thank you. [Music] You're savvy, >> right? >> You know what you're doing. >> You ever seen The Sopranos? >> You know what? >> I haven't either. >> I never have. >> I haven't either. >> I've There's been multiple points in my life where I've geared up to

like do Sopranos, obviously. >> Um, it's so funny. I hesitated because I I've always called it Sopranos. Um, >> sopran is it sopranos? >> I don't. It's whatever you want. It's whatever you want. >> Right. >> I have some Italian in me. I've got an Italian grandmother. Oh, well that's very Italian. Yeah. It's like the most Italian it gets. >> Sure. I mean, it's not like she's like, you know, it's not like that. Um, all New York, New York Italian, New York Irish. No one's got accents in my family. >> Right. You guys are like,

"It's 300 p.m. Shut the [ __ ] up." This is one of my favorite ones I've ever done. I'm not even just saying that. Are you having a good time? >> This is amazing. >> Do you want to get Do you guys want to get in here? Cuz I just feel bad that you're >> No, I said that they're God. >> Never mind. >> Yeah. >> Which, by the way, >> I brought down >> Did you Did you do you know about like religion and stuff? >> No, I was raised extremely atheist. >> Okay. >>

Like my dad was like raised Irish Catholic. So, uh, he I guess I think he go one or two ways and like he totally went the way of like that's not going to be in my family. I'm not raising my kids like that. >> Well, I was just saying cuz I was doing skits the I was doing these little improv skits um for G on Jesus the other day and I did not know that Mary Magdalene and Mother Mary were two separate people. >> Yes. Yeah. I And hold on. What do you mean you were

doing improv skits on Jesus the other day? >> Oh my god. You don't have social media? So, let me tell you. I do these skits. So, like um I'll send them to you. Okay. >> If we exchange numbers. >> Okay. I know you want to because you looked at the wall when you said it. Okay. Yeah, we can absolutely exchange numbers. >> Okay, cool. >> And I don't like doing that. >> Oh, so we don't have to. >> Okay, great. No, I'm kidding. >> So, I do these skits. >> Wait, do you know who texted

me the Other day? Speaking of having my number >> Mhm. Um, >> do you know Ariana Greenblat? >> Yes, my queen. I just interviewed >> I knew her when she was 11. >> Really? How? >> We did a movie together. >> What movie? >> It's called Love and Monsters. It was canned by Paramount. >> But it's a really good little movie. >> Ariana's the greatest. >> She's I Well, first of all, she's my Virgo twin. >> She's the 27th. >> Yeah, I was about to say it was just her birthday. >> Like literally always even

knew that. Um, we were like were jazzed about that when we were 11 and the hell was I 27. Um, yeah. And she texted me and she was like, "You're doing I love Jake Shane." I was like, "That's so cute." >> Oh my god. So, you really people said Good things about this before you came on >> to To be fair, one person did say one really good thing about it. >> Don't you tr I'm not going to lie to you. See, trust >> you don't lie. Yeah, I trust you. But that was a really

positive review. No, >> it was a great review. >> And all and overall, my publicist was very excited about this. She said absolutely adorable. She Oh, you Absolutely got to go thank her. She loves you. >> Yeah, she was really excited about this. >> Well, Dylan, what did we learn today? >> Is this another section of the segment of the show? >> It's the final segment. >> Oh, no. >> Really? >> Um Um, what did we learn? I don't We tal I feel Like we had really good conversation. Um the the writeins were really funny

for me. Um the mountain line one's crazy. >> Crazy. I'm on the girl side. >> Like she's probably a lot incredible. >> Um what did we learn? I don't know. I I think we talked we talked I love talking I love talk proc good healthy conversation processing talking life stuff. I really love that stuff. I love one-on-one conversations. >> Me too. >> As I the more and more I get older the more I realize that I'm I'm not I'm so overstimulated and not necessarily like thriving in like big communal spaces where like people aren't talking

about anything. It's just like, "Hey, hey." >> It's just like drinks and noise and >> which I did uh have fun in for a long time, but I really value conversations. >> Oh, that's what I was going to ask you Actually. Do you prefer your 30s to your 20s? >> Oh, I mean, well, I think you kind of have to just out of otherwise it's life is sad, right? >> Uh but uh but yeah, they're just so they're such different colors, you I mean, I look I I know that I had a a such a

like abundantly colorful and crazy and also regretful and also wonderful time in my 20s. Um, I would not like want to be there now. I'm totally like comfortable with kind of where I'm at and how I'm operating, who I feel like I am, you know, today, which is really nice. And so yeah, I wouldn't want to leap back. I feel like that happens a lot. I feel like >> Yeah, that's how I feel about my teenage years. I don't want to go back. >> I mean, people have whole ass marriage. People men have whole ass

marriages, have whole ass families and then leap Back, you know, and I just think that that's not uh no something I don't want to do. >> Well, I guess what I learned is you're pretty healthy mentally. >> That's really sweet of you. I also learned that you pick up on other people's behaviors really well. Like, you know, when I get anxious, I look at the wall. >> Yeah, I know. >> It's like in another life, you were an Interrogator. >> Well, I love behavior. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> What do you mean? >> Like, I

don't know. I think I've always been really in tune to um people's behaviors and it it's it's so it's why I love reality TV. >> You know what? That does make sense. Did you ever watch The Real World? >> Yeah, of course. >> Yeah, I didn't. I think I watched one season. >> No, like raw reality is Yeah, I don't know. I think that's I think um I can only assume that that's like a large part of the reason that I ended up doing what I do, I guess. But yeah, you were really lovely to

talk to as well. And I think that you're way more mentally sound than you think you are. >> Really? >> Tell me more just before you go. Well, What I'm getting from you a lot is like you're you think you're like a hot mess. >> That is how I feel. Yes. >> Yeah. But I feel like you're like really not. >> Hey, thank you so much. >> That's so great. Or at least if you in your own hot messness, I feel like you handle it really well. Like I love that you just like I don't

know. You you you feel really uh there is a a value in really feeling Comfortable here for me. if that has any value to you. >> Of course, that has value to me. Okay, great. I'm so happy you felt comfortable. >> I I loved it. I really did feel comfortable. >> Well, >> yeah. >> Thank you for coming on therapus. >> Thanks for having me. >> Anytime. >> And I had a terrible morning. >> Really? >> I can never tell. >> It's true. It's true. >> Oh, you did? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Why was your

morning Oh, so that's what your therapist about? >> Oh, we never did that. >> Never. And I didn't want to put pressure on you and ask, but like >> it's it can't be spoken about anyway, But >> Okay, that's fine. >> Yeah. >> Well, Dylan, >> I'll see you in New York. >> Yeah, baby. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Swear. >> Yeah. >> Cheers. Eyes. >> Do you want to give a little bye [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Oh, bye [ __ ] [Music]