my name is ambrosia Starlight and I'm the youngest of Seven Sisters who are all way prettier than me my father the King has declared war on our neighboring City centoria it was the night of the royal ball but I was reading alone in the garden as usual suddenly a tall muscular Centaur appeared with one hand he grabbed me by my tiny waist and carried me off into the night my name is hward my captor said in a deep husky voice your father is actually a super not cool guy we centaurs are peaceful he just wants
our delicious fields for Real Estate development wait was I falling in love with my enemy we heard soldiers shouting in the distance and ducked into a cave to hide we will wait here for the night but oh no the cave only had one bed hward looked deep into my emerald eyes Ambrosia you are the only one who can stop this war and save both of our worlds then he shoved his pulsing into my flipped me upside down as his dripped out of I could barely [Music] fit oh hi I didn't see you there I was
just uh reading this book I saw on book talk I thought it'd be a nice distraction from everything it's not working though now I'm just filled with existential dread and an unbridled lust for centaur book B talk which started out as a small community of online readers has since exploded into a forum used by millions with a hasht powerful enough to launch a book Into The New York Times bestseller list and now it's coming to a bookstore near you in more ways than one Tik Tok users aren't merely reading to stimulate their minds nay these
harlots are passing around scandalous toones featuring tattooed Mafia bosses with a soft side and fairies that five of my dirtiest and sexiest recommendations you asked for it I'm pulling out the big guns there's a list of books you should never read because they are so foul and nasty and disgusting and my God who would read such a thing want some nasty filthy disgusting romance books I got you just mouths and holes just everywhere and it's incredible in the past year or so adult romances or spicy books have WRA rapidly gained popularity online book talk has
gone wrong gone sexual even with many reading recommendations centering around the amount of spice a book contains these are the top 10 spiciest books that I've read in my entire freaking life everybody wanted the spicy fantasy Rex these are some of my favorite Standalone books that bring on the spicy spice they do does it have spy seems to have become the rallying Cry of a growing subsection of seekers who have begun to infiltrate other areas of the app you might have stumbled across book Talk Girly self-identifying in comment sections slick with their own fluids summoned
by the presence of a motorcyclist in fact by talk and book talk appear to have developed a kind of symbiotic relationship with each other I heard all the rumors about book girls I have one question they true wrong we're worse maybe it's time you found out yes and US quiet ones are the ones you really need to be aware of oh my God Tracy you are so bad I can't take you anywhere who says I'm not already a part of book talk how else would I know how to how else would I know how to
tease so well barl if you love me let me ride it but motorcyclists aren't the only demographic that book talk is down bad for if book talk wants more of this book talk can have more of this they just need to know where to look you missed an opportunity to add good girl at the end of this y'all don't make me get the spray bottle where do you think you're going we're not done yet you were talking all that stuff before you got here so I just think you I thread a hand through her hair
and pull her closer my heart racing I want to lose myself in her tonight who did a good job tonight forget the spray y'all need to be spayed a video format used a lot on book talk are these slideshows where people post parts of a book superimposed onto barely related stock images of hot people this one's for a mafia romance called Twisted Minds you're 18 and just married the king of the Italian mafia you were promised to him from birth so awesome he's been nothing but sweet and attentive on your wedding day and you wonder
if maybe the horrifying rumors about him are wrong until you see him un alive someone with his bare hands whoa I'm just going to say it red flag red flag lowkey I really like imagining these Mafia povs but instead it's just Tony Soprano I'm sorry my queen I should not be working on our wedding day he says wrapping an arm around you you Flinch let's just go home shall we just you and me and uh the ducks in my swimming pool okay okay I've only watched like one episode of The Sopranos all I know is
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off and don't forget to use my stackable discount code funky 15 for an additional 15% off your next purchase while most book Talk reviews rank the spiciness of their recommendations with enough of these innocuous looking Peppers to make a sultry salsa others have proposed more uh creative methods with this new scale that we like to call the Widow meter as we know we definitely want to be reading all those books that make us flood our damn basement book talk don't give me no more of this fate to Black 123 scale I want the Bob I
want the break your freaking battery operated boyfriend I want to be hot I want to be sweaty I want I want to be uncomfortable I want to PL my basement I want the spice I want I want it all thank you that was very descriptive really uh painted a picture into my retinas but I prefer this little visual aid the spice which is a format that I came up with and no YouTuber has ever used before at the very tippy top of the spice where the sun shines there are no references to places where it
doesn't this is the type of book you could tuck under your arm skip merrily to Sunday school with and give Jesus a high five a little lower we have books that feature a limited amount of sexual content but that isn't the main focus of the narrative another layer down we have our adult romances her palms are sweaty knees weak things are getting hot and heavy type below that we have what are called Dark romances which is where things get sticky both physically and ethically there's on her sweater already arranged marriage Italian mob wife spaghetti now
personally I tend to Bob near the surface with my floaties on but today I venture out into the deep end purely out of academic interest of course to ask the question is book talk ruining reading I'm going just come out and say it we need to stop book talk we need to completely eradicate I'm out here looking for recommendations and some good to read turns out the only thing they're reading is 450 Pages we got to talk about book talk women are all collectively gooning on a level that nobody has ever seen I told yall
before I was searching for the sun is also a star on Google and like one of the top questions is is it spicy does anybody on this God forsaken app read a single book that isn't just straight up if you've been following the online discourse surrounding book talk you might already know that it's been in the digital dogghouse recently PR is at an alltime low many readers have expressed frustration that romance authors like Colleen Hoover have not only begun to dominate their algorithm but also the display tables at their local Barnes and Noble this was
the book talk station at my local Barnes & Noble I've never read a single one of these books but why do I have a terrifying feeling that every single one includes an extremely detailed description of certain activities in response to the book talk girlies establishing a spice trade route to rival the Silk Road of centuries past there's been a kind of moral Panic across the internet hundreds of users are digging the heftiest pearls out of their grandmother's booa white knuckling them and declaring that pervers women are diluting and polluting their favorite hobby imagine if a
man says that he likes movies and that he's kind of a cynophile and then you find out that all he watches his that's exactly how I feel about these book talk girls that just reads y'all have taken this beautiful art form of literature of of pros and these Grand stories of human experience and just dumbed it down to be your little play thing okay okay well let's let's read something real quick together shall we the girl displaying her her bosom shed him her comeliness yeah so that he of her beauty possessed him bashful she was
not but ravished the soul of him loosing her mantle oh yeah baby loose that mantle TW thus that enadu DED six days a seven days with the cortisen girl in his mating that's a passage from the Epic of Gilgamesh the world's oldest surviving epic poem it doesn't get much grander than that and one of the first things that happen is a wild bull man and a lady of the night have a get nasty marathon in the middle of a field for a week n was right time is a flat circle baby let's bring back the
classics do you know how depressing it is to talk to a woman that says that she likes books and then just find out she's just reading aun's Guide to the Galaxy there are romances that are just romances like Pride and Prejudice is brilliant all these females do is eat Hot Chip and read smoke these maidens be faithless they don't even read Pride and Prejudice anymore well they do in their high school English class because it's like the first book on the syllabus maybe try there I feel like if you're going to take a really strong
stance against spicy books Mother Teresa better be able to audit your browser history what's that steam Library looking like brother I better not see any titilating jiggle physics dumbing down the beautiful art form of gaming you get that one skin on Marvel Rivals you know which one it just seems a little silly to act as if reading is this exclusively sacred cerebral Pastime that can be sullied by some the written word is simply a medium the same way that movies and TV shows and video games are I don't expect a masterpiece when I crack open
Nanny to the Mafia the same way I don't expect Tammy and Amy to be discussing the political and economic state of the world right now try being my size Amy you don't know how it is can I say that I'm just happy that people are reading at all the national endowments for the Arts published a report titled Arts participation patterns in 2022 which found that less than 50% of the American adults surveyed had read a single book either physically or electronically in the past 12 months immeasurable decline since 2012 why are the pages so filled
with so many words maybe the only way Stacy can stay motivated to read is by picking up books like I've been kidnapped by the fairy King but it's okay because he has abs at least Stacy is off that damn phone and maybe after toweling down the puddle underneath her she starts branching out and reading more and I know we live in this really like oh Pro sex Society but y'all have made me Puritan I don't want to be reading a book and then realize that I'm just reading the author's sick fantasies yes because famously men
have never done that ever not even once and don't say the economy or Iraq or income inequality I cannot tell you the amount of times that I have been reading a book by a male author and have suddenly been reminded that writing is an activity that only requires one hand the difference is when male authors decide to insert sexual content into their work there seems to be this implicit man that we as readers must still engage with their writing as serious art the writer barely disguised fish is at most an uncomfortable fo to politely Overlook
as long as the writer is a man a common response from book talk is that this recent hate train is misogynistic the logic being that most of book talk and in fact readers in general are women I don't agree that critiquing book talk is inherently sexist but I do think there is an obvious gender bias in the way that we're evaluating these spicy books Romany titles such as a court of thorns and Roses have been lumped into this conversation as examples of Filth invading the fantasy section so imagine my surprise when I found out that
aside from a couple of eye roll worthy descriptions of jawlines and some omega verses sniffing scenes don't ask there were only about four chapters that contained anything explicit at all where was the unleash Hedonism corrupting Chast female Minds where was the debauchery I was promised hello I'd like my debauchery please if women are only reading these to goon they are being incredibly inefficient about it okay that's like four goons per 46 chapters which we can calculate to be a gooning rate of about 8.69 nice 6% why am I doing math isn't it funny how a
fantasy book is no longer a real fantasy book if it's written by a woman and has a romance subplot in it this isn't happening for 100% of the book when people are reading a spicy fantasy book we are reading a book that has probably about 80 to 90% plot character development story emotion whatever and like maybe 10 or 15% of spicy material which is the same that you would get from a show on Netflix books on the upper end of the spice are being treated as if they are far beyond a clench before you drench
and in the Marana trench despite having a comparable amount of explicit material to male authors of the same genre we can have interesting discussions about the quality of this book which me but why this pressure to dismiss it as frivolity unworthy to be sheld next to the Witcher series or Game of Thrones am I to believe that men only ever have pure plot motivated reasons for indulging in countless dirty descriptions of the damsels that Mr Martin was never straight up jorking it why do you think Winds of Winter is is taking so long from what
I can tell the only difference is the perspective and target audience in the same way that a movie centering around men and male experiences is just a movie and a movie centering around women and female experiences is a chickf flick I'm thinking about this cuz I'm about to finish Pride and Prejudice I'm looking for a new book to read why do these guys keep bringing up Pride and Prejudice okay now I made the mistake I made the mistake of looking up books to read on Tik Tok every single book is every single book has spice
I don't want Spice it's weird I saw somebody reading it ends with us on the train at 10: in the morning it's got to be an addiction at that point I want to focus on the word Addiction now I'm pretty sure this guy is just making a joke but I have seen the term addiction used as a sincere accusation multiple times during this whole book talk debacle many users are equating any interest in spicy literature to a dependence on the hardcore adult content hosted for example on a certain black and orange site I wouldn't know
it's banned in my state and also I'm too busy getting laid in real life now I'm a big proponent of moderation when it comes to this kind of thing no matter what form it's in especially if you notice it has begun to negatively impact your relationships the way you perceive other people's bodies and the way you perceive your own body but let's not pretend that a moist mom in Minnesota writing about sexy werewolves has anywhere near the scope of harm that a billion dooll industry preying on on countless men women and children for decades has
regardless of our personal convictions adult content is going to exist it's the forbidden fruit the masses have the munchies for that cat is out of the bag and on screens around the world I'm in the business of harm reduction and I can't think of a more harmless way to consume this type of content than text on a page it's a form contained in the theater of the Mind where no actors are underpaid underage or abused in a world of restaurants strip clubs in a dangerously unregulated adult film industry in a world where companies are literally
putting robot slave girlfriends on the market give us a picture of someone and we can make that robot customized to you it can learn about your product or it can be your girlfriend in a world where the emergence of AI threatens every single person with the possibility of being deep faked into any video against their will it's gross it's gross and I'm sorry I really am th this just seems like a weird place to start but enough theorizing it was time for me to venture out into the real world to do some field research about
this threat facing our bookstores my first stop was Barnes & Noble where I immediately noticed the strong presence of the Romany category especially the imperian series which has quickly attracted a devoted fan base I I'm looking for a book yep why I'm sorry I was on I was literally the Rebecca Y yes why I was literally on the Target app at 3:00 a.m. no I'm going to cry it's not here no we have none none none you can tell that was the seventh middle-aged white woman that Target employee had to talk down from the ledge
that morning as I had been warned the book talk table was almost exclusively stacked with Saucy novels however I couldn't help but notice the table at the very front of the store carried several titles that had recently been all over my for you page Wednesday's Child by Ian Lee my husband by mod Ventura and blackouts by Justin Taurus Tik tok's influence had also helped to push these novels all the way to the door even if they weren't labeled that way you see this is the book talk I know the one that has consistently served me
literature across a broad range of genres while the community has become synonymous with sinful reading in the public eye I had to actively seek out its spicy side but if you've made no effort to curate your feed I'm sure every book talk tagged video you scroll across feels like a visit from the Goon Squad social media as a marketing tool is here to stay these books about hotcakes are selling like hot cakes for a reason if you don't like that the most effective way you can change that is to interact with the countless book talk
creators talking about books you do like or contributing content of your own instead of on the internet make the internet your pop your for Kafka and may the algorithm be ever in your favor I do have to admit that Barnes & Noble had more spice than I was expecting with an entire shelf dedicated to Just Hockey romances alone seriously I I do not understand this obsession with hockey players oh look women are reading Pride and Prejudice one hockey romance in particular has been receiving a lot of attention lately Icebreaker has a much higher goon to
chap ratio sitting at a whopping 22% but its pastel Illustrated cover has been accused of being misleading and even dangerous for children this is the cover of Icebreaker if you show this to most parents like if a kid walked up to you and was like hey Mom can I get this it kind of looks like a normal little romance right why does this book look like it's written for children it's a cartoon this is a cartoon Icebreaker a novel this looks like it's for kids oh gosh it's almost like there's an entire saying about judging
book covers on it'll it'll come to me in a second I don't think any normal person likes the idea of a middle schooler coming into contact with spicy books but I feel like this line of argument breaks down pretty quickly because I could mention another genre with deceptively innocent looking cartoon covers but y'all aren't going to like it oh thank God my 12-year-old didn't pick up Icebreaker and is instead perusing this wholesome text do you like big girls thick with two C's Edition haven't the last couple of generations fought so hard to break the stigma
here in the west That animated media is only for children are adult cartoons like Rick and Morty Family Guy in South Park also on the chopping block what does an adult book cover even look like does it have to have photo realistic people on the front doing number 17 the spread eagle I promise I'm not trying to be purposefully obtuse I get what these people are saying but at the same time do you see how difficult it is to start drawing these hard ethical boundaries parents still need to be parents in 20125 it takes one
Google search to protect your kid from reading something they shouldn't my Barnes & Noble has a very clearly designated ya section and so did the target nearby though it contained even more dangerous material for the spongy adolescent mind than hockey players who Puck around I don't know why I expected anything from Walmart they had Diary of a Wimpy Kid right next to Stephen King Percy Jackson was just a few inches away from a super dirty book did you know a guy gets drunk and impregnates his own daughters in this one give a warning put these
in a separate section of Barnes & Noble could stores be more responsible with their organization and creators more transparent with their promotions absolutely but this isn't a book talk exclusive problem and when we start talking about regulations Logistics get messy who determines what books are inappropriate and where they're allowed to be and what criteria do they use to be clear you don't have to like Icebreaker I didn't it's an unbearable approximation of what a woman in her 30s thinks young hot people do in college the sight of emojis printed upon bound paper legitimately knocked the
air out of my lungs the book wanted to be an enemies to lovers story but was so eager to jump to the juicy bits it forgot about the enemy part there have always been books that are not appropriate for children this is not a new thing I lived at the library growing up I knew the exact geolocation of the shelf of bodice rippers I had to pass on my way to reread the same three dinosaur books every Tuesday why are we suddenly getting our Collective panties in a Twist over a genre your great aunt has
been flicking through since the 70s reading another one of your dirty girl books did you think those jacked oiled up gentlemen with billowing open shirts on the covers were there to politely help heroins file their taxes we seem to have a very sanitized view of our four readers that doesn't seem to match up with reality much like the characters in these books it's time for us to do some busting myth busting that is and as everyone knows it's always more fun to bust with a friend myths that is you may know her from her the
history series on Tik Tok or her book by the same name she's here she's queer and she's not afraid to talk about rear please welcome a very special guest Dr esmo Louise James thank you what an intro I am obsessed hi hello so lovely to be here can you tell the folks at home a little bit more about who you are and what you do I'm a sex historian um I specialized in the history of porographic novels and more broadly I look at the history of sex identity and gender from the ancient world until now
let's get down and dirty can you tell us how long spicy books have been around spicy books have been around for hundreds of years so erotic writing stayed all the way back to the ancient world we have always had a fascination with uh putting writing pieces together that are meant to be titillating but the birth of the novel happens in the 18th century so it's like the 1700s so in it would be like a bare ankle would get like five pepper emojis on Tik Tok right is that how that would work it's do you know
what it's really interesting because I think this is one of the most dominant conceptions but in reality some of theography that was written in the 18th century is not allowed to be published today because it is so explicit yes there are some pieces you know I'm thinking of is like uh the Marquee thead that his Works will not go to print today because they are so explicit and controversial like all of the spicy stuff we have today just everyone uh stank a little bit a little bit more a little bit more want to talk a
little bit about um uh something that you've said recently you were on a podcast called uh the briefing and something you said really stuck out to me you said uh you said fantasies are not a reflection of how we act in real life or what we want in real life um I think that this becomes very relevant when we talk about uh the controversy surrounding book talk especially what we now refer to as the dark romance subg genre the idea behind it is that if you engageing novels that talks about you know kind of problematic
romances the worry is there that if we read those and consume them then we're going to want to act them out in our real life but what we know from many St studies into how fantasy imaginative play in real life works is that there's not a correlation between those two so when we're talking about engaging in you know spicy books in particular what we need to talk about is ethical ways to engage in them ways that we're knowing that this book is a fantasy um and not reality in how we do that what can actually
happen is that if we pour ourselves into these novels knowing that they might be problematic uh representations in real life it's quite um almost like a therapeutic experience they've seen if you know an adult is reading you know dark romance say they're reading something about um a romance surrounding a stalker right or or some other kind of problematic Dynamic that doesn't necessarily mean that they would be super psyched if a stalker showed up on their doorstep in real life no and I mean as a logical example of this right it will be like the the
hero the fairy King Pur and he said like I'm going to have you now if that happened in real life I would have ick instantly ick I I slightly changed the Hue of the light so you know I'm getting serious now it doesn't look as cool as I thought it would at this point I've been playing the courta appointed defense attorney for the girls that goon most of the video but dark romance is where my job gets a little harder p a 10 but you call him Uncle Jake he's a 10 but he Brands you
after hunting you down in a bridal hunt finds her and then takes her on a boat puts her face in shark infested waters and then does the deed with her there is no reason there is no reason that I should be getting this unhinged over a man who is stalking this poor innocent unassuming girl I'm a retired AO3 veteran honorably discharged after years of less honorable discharge so I tried to take a crack at the infamous Haunting of Adeline he put a what in her what I don't know what I expected safe to say not
for me dark romance often explores scenarios involving dubious consent large age gaps and even physical abuse there was a portion of book talk that enthusiastically reads and recommends these books based off of the taboos they violate I love taboo romances it's my all-time favorite TR some more taboo book recommendations this sub genre has received especially intense scrutiny over this past year as certain popular dark romance titles have been noticed by people outside of their usual reader base at least once a week some book from book talk goes crazy viral and blows up causing the average
person to be exposed to it and read it and start calling out all the crazy stuff happening in it if a book talker describes a book as a dark romance immediate red flag maybe we just got to eradicate this whole thing break it up start from scratch I have to point out that men have an extensive history of prominently and often very poorly depicting sexual violence against women with the audience's perspective often being that of the Voyer or even the perpetrator it just seems strange to me that when women take owner ownership of these stories
willingly project onto the victim in these situations for their own gratification that we suddenly have a video essay worthy crisis on our hands it is absolutely understandable to find dark romance upsetting that is a very normal reaction but I'm sure it's also upsetting for people whose loved ones have been murdered to see the popularity of slasher films I'm sure it's also upsetting for veterans with PTSD to watch the same mediocre military simulators pumped out year over year we seem to have largely come to the consensus that playing Cod or watching a horror movie doesn't make
you a serial killer we insist that male directors stripping down 20-some year old actresses to simulate acts of brutality on them for TV are just in the business of realistic storytelling but when it comes to dark romance we suddenly are unable to trust adult women to distinguish between reality and fiction this is despite the fact that much of the content on book talk clearly indicates a level of self-awareness and humor about how poorly dark romance translates to real life I love me some taboo romance in fiction of course real life no thank you stalking in
real life illegal go to ja it's that one your honor it's talking in fiction is there something wrong with me no so he literally stalks her like everywhere she goes does she call the police no no cuz he counts her freckles and makes her waffles in the morning if you're someone who struggles to understand why any woman would be attracted to this type of book that's okay I would just highly recommend that you check out Contra points video on Twilight not only is she capital M mother and able to keep me entertained for 3 hours
straight despite my Kentucky Fried detention span but the video is a masterful breakdown of the historical context of Darker plot lines and romance and how they often operate as a reaction to Purity culture rather than literal wish fulfillment the ravishment of a hesitant self-insert character by an aggressive male love interest basically provides women with an emotional loophole where they can safely explore their fantasies without guilt maintaining control because they can always just shut the book but of course there are always going to be people who push the envelope a little too far definitely check content
warnings before going into them but you know what the more trigger warnings the better I want all the trigger warnings I want all the everything no one likes the guy who brags about watching a Serbian film no one likes the True Crime girly who sells dmer is my daddyy shirts on Etsy in the same way I think there are a lot of book talk creators who could approach this category with a lot more Sensitivity I mean do we really need to get tattoos of the my step uncle and step cousin snap crackled and popped my
back like a glow stick in the woods book come on y'all let's dial it back some every few years the general public stops in its tracks to examine something that women like and then have extended debates on whether or not they should be allowed to this happened with 50 Shades of Gray before that it was Twilight all the way back to of all books Pride and Prejudice erotic literature when it started was um quite Elite well-educated men who often wrote uh pretending to be a woman which I find fascinating in itself that's you know really
how the novel starts and what always happens is that when women get involved in the conversation we see it as something that's like really dirty and stupid and frivolous weirdly enough Jane Austin is almost like the connector between these two things uh because when Jane Austin comes on the scene and writes romances like Pride and Prejudice critics believed at the time that at best her work was light and frivolous and at worst it was a danger to the imagination and intellect of women and would drive their erotic fantasies crazy um and therefore we would have
like all these women who couldn't control their libido cuz they were reading about Mr Darcy which they were kind of right they were kind of right that hand Flex I've seen the edits on Tik Tok the hand hand Flex if I can be the friend who's too woke for just one second I don't think it's a coincidence that we're seeing yet another cycle of this intense scrutiny towards what women read during a rise of conservatism in politics and media that's not to say that any and all scrutiny towards book talk is motivated by conservatism don't
get me wrong it's entertaining to on book talk recommendations a lot of them are badly written or rely on shallow tropes and probably belong on Wattpad instead of in a bookstore but some of y'all are going fullon Fahrenheit 451 over some freaky fairies and NGL it's kind of scaring me a little bit if you're going to read something read the room now is not the time for all that leave me [Music] alone Aira I think a lot of critics of book talk have very Noble intentions but right now there are people in power who are
all too happy to use excuses like we need to protect the children and women are reading dangerous books to restrict access to anything that violates their ideological convictions this isn't me fear-mongering this isn't me being alarmist this has happened before and it can happen again when a significant portion of the US and its governing body view queer identities as automatically obscene censorship becomes a slippery slope this isn't to discourage anyone from thinking critically about what they read just be careful that your personal discomfort doesn't leave you vulnerable to a narrative that justifies bands that extend
far beyond what those nasty Tick Tock girlies get into to like maybe we could all just keep our voices down at least for like the next four years they might hear us yeah well I can hear you oh it's 3:00 in the morning this video is supposed to go up in like 2 days yeah is that why we got stress acne hey now watch it we got these Girl Scout cookies yesterday you couldn't make it last one night oh God forbid I support the you yeah Samoa's more like you wish there was Samoa in here
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