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That's why it's called New Balance. >> Sponsors, if you're listening, we love your shoes. >> Okay.

So, um, who wants to start? Jimmy, you want to start? >> Okay.

>> Okay. >> It's like a warm up. What are you saying yes to now that you didn't have the courage to before?

>> Susanna's giggling. Why? >> I Because I would have said saying no >> actually.

Yes. That's one of them. That's one of them.

>> Yeah, that's one of them. I would say saying yes to now right literally the reason why I was like initially kind of thinking what is it what is it and then started you know and then it clicked and I started smiling because it's literally doing this >> being on video recording a podcast recording a video because I started doing that for work as well >> um and we started we revamped about podcast and then we started recording and all that right I would never have said yes to anything like that because I have such a you know almost everybody would say oh I don't like the sound of my voice or I don't really like to see myself on video things like this right if I could be the poster child for the like I would be the president of that club because I can't even stand my voice yeah every time I hear my own recording >> um and and back then obviously it wasn't easy right to hear your own voice because I mean technology and all of this you just don't record yourself very often but I remember I still remember each time though I hear my own voice like if I'm caught on even when I was doing my um fashion marketing job and then I had to be on TV one time >> and then after that you have to clip it and then you have to show it to the other people. It's really so painful.

But now I'm like, you know what? Who cares? >> Yeah.

You're used to it. >> Yeah. And I'm just like, don't overthink.

>> Yeah. You know, um just just do it. And then now I'm like getting used to it.

So >> yeah. >> Yay. >> I'm glad I overcame that.

>> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yeah.

>> I think the idea is not to even think that you're being recorded, that you're just having a conversation with friends. Yeah. M >> okay.

I would say though I would I lied like when I say I overcame it. I would say I overcame maybe about 90%. There's still 10% of me that if I watch and play back >> I would you cringe.

>> I will cringe. I will I wouldn't I wouldn't be able to like watch myself. >> Oh yeah.

Okay. >> Okay. >> Wow.

Okay. That's a big leap for you then. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Well done. will help you to overcome it.

>> Yeah. Be kinder to myself and be less of a self critic >> will force you. Yeah.

>> Immersion therapy. >> Yes. >> Okay.

Um Susanna, you want to go next? >> Okay. What's one thing you've reclaimed from who you used to be and kept on your terms?

Who I used to be? Uh, okay. If it's someone whom I used to be, it shows that I don't want to be that person anymore anyway.

Yeah. I've transformed for good. Um so I would not even want to reclaim u who I used to be because I am not who I used to be >> and sometimes I don't even recognize myself >> um the way I am now um the way I have >> um finally realized who I am >> visav God the creator um that I'm his family, I'm his child and living according to um our family covenant.

Yeah. And everything else I do with family, friends, uh whether it's secular work or church work, it it's all informed by that relationship I have come to embrace and own and uh fall in love with. Yeah.

So I do not want to be who I used to be. >> Okay. Okay.

>> Good one. >> Thank you. What version of balance have you stopped striving for?

Um, I don't know. I cannot um I cannot put an exact pin on what it is. I guess the transition or the shift, right?

For me, I think every point of every point in life, we're always like rebalancing, right? Recalibrating um to what is suitable right now in our lives. And um so it's very hard to to to say because if that version of me in the past where I tried to balance let's say balance motherhood and work and all that I mean that was needed at that point in time.

Um so I you know I wouldn't say I was like stop striving for it because there's no need for it. So yeah, I just feel like we we just need to uh shift every time, right? As we evolve, as we grow, our point of balance is always different.

And yeah, so it's not about striving to balance whatever version of ourselves. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

Yeah. >> That's why it's called New Balance. sponsors.

If you're listening, we love your shoes. That's so funny. >> Back to you, Jimmy.

>> Okay. H >> what early truths about love, power or self has stood the test of time? >> You think it will probably be around of the three I would see.

Yeah, of the three I would say self um early truth as in can't really pinpoint how early but probably um so kind of like growing up I think I was always more of a I've always been called an old soul growing up as a child you know as a child growing up and then also So um um emotionally attuned. So I remember and probably just again my own personal kind of growing up experience you know there's a lot of like self-p protection and things like that right and then you know undergoing bullying and things like this I remember coming to that conclusion myself that you know you have the power within yourself that unless you give it up nobody can take that away from you. Um and obviously back then as a child growing up it wasn't so articulate.

It was just something about okay you you know and if as long as you don't give in or give up to an external um in this case like an external person right then like you'll be fine like you need to be your best advocate for yourself >> and I think that has continued so then as I grew up even at work and things like that and I found that that has helped me uh Yeah, >> thank you. >> Thanks. What's one piece of advice your younger self wouldn't have understood but turned out to be true?

that you don't have to like somebody to love them or love him or her. Um my younger self would be I don't I don't like you. I cannot love you.

>> I cannot uh think of doing good for you. Yeah, it was just inconceivable. But I've finally come to understand what that phrase really means.

Um, you don't have to be even friends with that person. >> That person could be arms length. >> You know, you don't even have to think about that person.

But the moment he needs you to do or will something that is good for him and that you can, then you c you have to do it. And then and now I I accept that I will do it and I will >> um peaceibly do it, joyfully do it without any grudges. Yeah.

>> Okay. Yeah, that's a good one. >> Yeah, that's a that's a good one.

>> Yeah, it's very hard though. >> Yeah, it is very hard. It is very hard.

Oh, I got a younger one as well. >> Oh, did a younger version of you believe about joy that you are finally returning to? What did a younger version of you believe about joy?

Um, you know, when you are five, six, you're still in so innocent and you're feeling happy about the small things. It's so um it's really unconditional, you know, if you can get back into that space, right, of feeling like a 5-year-old or 6year-old when you experience your most joyous moments, right? really no strings attached.

there's a feeling of lightness and freedom and I think uh this is the kind of joy that went missing quite a bit you know in the large large part of adulthood and I would say I wouldn't say it's finally returning but it has returned um in the in the smallest moments you know uh and to yeah and to realize that hey you know true joy really is like feeling like a child you know with a with childlike innocence and viewing it really with no strings attached with this lightness and with this freedom yeah >> that is what yeah >> that's how I would answer the question >> thank you >> children are very hopeful >> right and they are always so optimistic that oh >> it will be good, it will turn out well. Everything will be fine. Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Someone will take care of it. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> They don't overthink. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. For sure. >> Okay.

Should we do one more round? Sure. H Jimmy, >> what mistake from your 20ies gave you a skill that still serves you now?

I'm like thinking there's a lot of mistakes. Which one? It's like the rolodex, you know?

It's like which one is it? Um, what mistakes? Okay, I think I've Okay, I've I've definitely made a lot of mistakes.

Um, I would say anything that still serves you. I would say it's to okay if I can shift it I don't know if this is cheating but if I can shift it to say 30s right then I have a very solid one that I can say >> we pretend and we like strike it out like one >> to 30s yeah >> because okay that one was let me think strictly speaking no no strictly speaking I was still 20s >> nine. >> Yeah.

I was still 20s, late 20s, but still 20s. Okay. So, so the answer still stands.

Okay. Anyway, mistake from my 20ies was um I um being too quick to judge somebody else >> and to label them. And um and I remember it was just one of those it was like a new colleague and um this was Blue Ink Media.

I had just joined. So it was a new colleague. I had to go for a meeting with this new colleague and I was just uh slightly slightly less new.

So maybe like two weeks two weeks less new than this colleague. But we had to go for a meeting together. an external meeting and I remember during the initial introduction before you know when when this colleague joined the company right I had preconceived notions about the person based on like oh the way the person spoke the way the person blah blah blah and all that right and I remember thinking about h got to go for a meeting with this person and it's just the two of us right so overthinking preconceived notions and all of this and I know it's going to sound a bit like unbelievable but I I kept dreading it all the way to the day right and then when on the day itself um we went for the meeting and then after that that um colleague said do you want to do lunch >> and then I was thinking oh I'll still do lunch already you know in that moment I was like already doing the meetings like question already right still do lunch but okay I just told myself yeah just don't be so whatever you know just do the lunch right then I did the lunch and we had a really enjoyable conversation >> and all my preconceived notions were just a lot of biases >> and projection you know kind of like what you don't like >> yourself to be associated with you then sort of see it in others that kind of thing Um, yeah.

So, I I I learned like, hey, don't be >> don't be so quick to judge. Um, yeah. >> Yeah.

Good. Nice. >> Yeah.

So, I it has still served me very very well. >> Good, good, and bad. So, even if I have preconceived notions of the person being like, oh, so nice, so this, so that, like, I would also tell myself, okay, don't be so quick to judge that that is the true self.

Yeah. >> Yeah. It works both ways, right?

Yeah. >> It works both ways. >> Yeah.

That's so true. That's so true. >> Hey, what are you learning?

What are you no longer willing to tolerate even if it costs you comfort? This is a good twist. >> Bad behavior.

Yeah. Um, any any bad behavior from anyone, even if it means it's going to inconvenience me to have uh not much to do with this person. Um, yeah.

And to kind of like remove this person from my so-called inner outer circle, >> I would do it in a heartbeat. Yeah. Because I >> I no longer tolerate enabling abuse because if I let this person continue like treating me like that, then I am enabling it.

>> Yeah. Then that then I'm complicit to this bad behavior too. Yeah.

So I will no longer tolerate >> bad behavior and abuse. Yeah. >> Okay.

Do you think this comes with being a midlife >> like with better understanding or or as we get older our tolerance is just not there. >> I don't think it's an age thing. I think it's a realization of who I am >> that I and my father is God.

My father loves me so much. He died. He sent his son to die for me.

>> Why am I Why am I tolerating abuse? You know what I mean? He would not someone who died for you would not want you to tolerate bad behavior.

>> Yeah. I'm not saying that. um take revenge, you know, don't you don't have to take revenge.

Turning the other cheek is not taking revenge. It's really like let okay I let you you want to behave like that. I let you but let me remove myself you know.

Yeah. >> Um whereas if you don't then you'll just be a doormat. I don't think God wants us to be a doormat.

>> Yeah. >> I know God doesn't want me to be a dmat. Yeah.

So I think it's more >> realizing who I am >> in the grand scheme of things. Yeah. >> And I I feel like um when people understand life from a spiritual context, it's also depending on the interpretation because sometimes people will think that being spiritual means that you have to be a doormat.

So you know whether is it empowered understanding or not. I think that makes it >> absolutely. Yeah.

>> Yeah. That that was what I was thinking. It's very empowering.

>> Yeah. >> And this this belief and living it out >> is gives is so powerful. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

Thank you. What part of you is still becoming even at this stage of life? Every part of me still growing.

There is no end to this, right? Learning new things and understanding the world very differently now. And I think what made me feel uh this is just you know in just this month alone what made me feel even more inspired to do what I do is I I read that um we have reached a point where uh AI intelligence is now has surpassed human intelligence which is very troubling which means that people be will become much more reliant on AI and they so robotic.

They're not in touch with their feelings. And when you're not in touch with your feelings, you're not in touch with your soul, you're not in touch with yourself, you're not in touch with your body, um you just become like a robot, you know, and then what's the point of being human, right? The humanness in us is the ability to feel and to to you know experience things that a robot cannot experience or you know they can pretend to know how to experience but there's no way they can right >> so it just makes me feel like oh my god you know like I really need to continue to do what I do to help people to get out of numbness because the world has become really really numb you know the endless indulgence in whether it's food, alcohol, cigarettes, any kind of drugs, social media, anything to numb themselves, people will do it.

And they're so out of touch with their feelings, with their, you know, spiritual part of themselves. And so this is the thing right now that's making me feel like ah I really need to um you know this I you know to to kind of inspired me to just keep on keeping on just keep on doing um yeah because people need it whether they know it or not. Yeah.

>> Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you.