and i'm sure that you will encourage them as indeed your own scottish government has already done to contribute to our consultation on the independence referendum point out to the minister that i don't have my own scottish government mr phillip hollibone uh a long-term solution which we're working on with the department of work and pensions no specific um mr speaker are you coughing at me i think i'll quit while i'm ahead i've never coughed at the honorable lady and i wasn't intending to start now but i'm grateful for her compassionate concern for the state of my
health if she wanted to finish the answer she could but she doesn't say she won't business question angela eagle thank you mr speaker i hope you don't cough at me either will will the leader of the house please give us the business for the week yesterday we heard the prime minister do that to the 79 year old honorable member for bolsover that problem was repeated today order mr shellbrook who's now engaging busily in a conversation with the honourable gentleman of harrogate and desmond calm yourself the honourable ladies raising a point of order about manners to
which i intend to listen and with which i will deal and it hardly helps if people are sniggering and smirking at the point the honourable lady is making point of order fiona mctaggart civil aviation bill second reading what day tomorrow said with great confidence by the whip on duty tomorrow we come now to the main business thank you point of order and maine thank you very much mr speaker mr speaker i seek your guidance is it appropriate parliamentary language for a member of poland to cover call other honorable members neanderthals particularly when they haven't even
been anywhere near the debate or participated in or engaged in it don't think it's a somewhat judgmental statement mr speaker well i think if we're going to have a prohibition on judgmentalism we're setting ourselves rather an exacting test what i would say to the honourable ladies too first of all i'm not aware though it's not relevant to the appropriateness of her point of order who the target that i can try to speculate about it of this intended abuse was but secondly if the target of the intended abuse is at least one member that i can
think of i rather imagine that far from complaining about it he will take it as the greatest possible compliment that has ever been paid to him at point of order i i choose randomly for a point of order mr jacob reese mogg point of order mr speaker i think many honorable members would consider being called neanderthals remarkably modern i note the honorable gentleman's value judgment and indeed his sense of humor if there are no further points of order and in high streets throughout this country mr marcus jones thank you mr speaker excessive order however angry
and i rate the honorable gentleman is i gather he's shouting out about the fact that he hasn't had an answer to his question if that were to legitimize that sort of ranting there would be permanent ranting in the house of commons under successive governments over the last 100 years we can't tolerate it mr marcus jones thank you mr speaker again i'd rather suspect i'm not a lawyer i say that as a matter of some very considerable pride but as far as i'm aware yeah no you shouldn't [Music] order order i apologize for interrupting the leader
of the opposition i exhorted some calm on the opposition benches i now do so on the government benches and i say to the honorable gentleman the member shows be an action in the nicest and kindest and most public spirited possible way if he does insist on gesticulating which he shouldn't it's pretty silly to do it when he's standing right next to me the leader of the opposition shall imply only in so far the house must now calm itself all that gesticulation and hand waving from the shadow chancellor anybody would have thought that i thought the
right honourable gentleman was playing with these cooking utensils but i want to hear well he's pointing somewhere but i do genuinely and i think the house and the country will want to hear the prime minister as i hope they also wanted to hear the leader of the opposition let's hear the prime minister mr speaker i think we i think we know why the benches opposite are so depleted they've been eating his lasagna and they're they're all recovering there is no simple link between no crime and the [Music] oh the immigration minister is getting very excited
that the deal for an opposition front venture of the honourable gentleman's important but middling rank is one question one question a month not one question and multiple heckles i know he's trying to reinvent the deal but the deal is as i've just described the home secretary thank you mr speaker i think the minister replied but news content decide should there not be more flexibility in licenses and franchises to allow commercial radio to respond to market conditions you know i found it slightly difficult to hear the uh question now mr speaker but i think uh i
think uh the difficulty in hearing was not attributable to the questioner but to ministerial nose blowing which is entirely understood mr bill esterson so let me let me explain to you it's about the fragmentation of commissioning right you've got it okay good i'm glad you've got it maybe when you get up you can answer the question now [Applause] order oh do i say that in the opposition keep me out of it i said it to the brand so i said to him it's red miliband now the reason he's lost the car [Applause] now the now
the reason he's lost the cop order or order order mem order member order i say that to the shadow chancellor as well members might be enjoying order members might be enjoying themselves i ask them to think of what the country thinks order of what the country thinks of how we conduct ourselves mr edmund he's lost the confidence that's what i care about it ought to be what he cares about order or order can i just say to the honourable gentleman chuntering in alien to no obvious benefit or purpose from a sedentary position that the chair
is perfectly capable of adjudicating upon what is and is not in order and it does not behoove an honourable member to seek to intervene in such matters these proceedings have thus far been entirely orderly that is the beginning and the end of the matter mr peter bone let me just say this for the benefit of the honorable lady and of the house whether or not the honorable lady is sponsored by unite and i emphasize whether or not she is i'm happy to accept she's not if that is the factual position i don't know whether or
not she is i don't need any help from a junior government whip he wouldn't know where to start and there is absolutely he says he's a senior government [Applause] i understand my honorable friend's concern i also know that he raised this on a point of order mr speaker on monday and i have in front of me your response which i won't read out because it would take longer than you like me to take out the dispatch box but i would but but i i i would just reiterate very briefly uh your advice mr speaker it
is just quite a long statement in a low carbon economy honorable gentleman shouting from a sedentary position a man of the seniority of the honourable member for seven oaks figure a very considerable celebrity in the house doesn't have to shout from a sedentary position we can all see and admire him from a distance in the whole 13 years of your government you didn't actually put up tax from from 40 to 50 so grateful to the honorable gentleman but i'm not sure why he's referring to my government and no reference to my government in these matters
at all i'm sure that's what the honourable gentleman meant and it would be good in future if that's what he'd say the attempt being made at the weekend in order to mark uh the palestinian land day from the overall concerns of both i would actually like to get some progress down the order paper so we need shorter answers the word is shorter i've explained it shorter answers shorter answers is what is required the minister's really got to practice it mr david yeah ward is it's a speaker this is this is a product order the usual
level of orchestration from the usual suspects on the government back benches be quiet mr burns it will be better for your health you're the minister for health get better mr ed miliband if there are no further points of order we now move on to the next thing as the senior whip hopefully points out namely motion number four on children and young persons which is indeed the next thing as he eloquently puts it legal aid sentencing and punishment of offenders bill consideration of lord's message now well eh i don't know what the honourable gentleman had for
breakfast or for lunch but it has clearly served to fortify him and we're we're grateful to the whip on duty mr robert flellow thank you mr speaker this the secretary of state has had three opportunities the trouble with the honourable gentleman he's he's as excitable as he is good-natured he's a very amiable fellow but we don't need the honourable gentleman's advice on decorum he should calm himself and take whatever tablets are required for the purpose mr robert flellow thank you [Applause] consideration completed third reading what day tomorrow thank you i'm grateful to the honorable gentleman
point of or just in case i hadn't heard the the honourable gentleman was kindly in his consideration many important businesses in her constituency can do their job efficiently richard fuller the honourable gentleman was previously interested but not not if he doesn't want to it's not obligatory but if he wishes to he can no thank you very much mr speaker but the question i was going to ask has already been asked the honourable gentleman is in danger of setting a real precedent but because it's already been said it doesn't need to be said again that really
is setting a new precedent in parliamentary practice mr stuart jackson mr speaker we came down i do appeal to the house to calm down the honourable gentleman member for north durham assisted by his colleagues he's chantering repetitively from a sedentary position in breach of the conventions of the house and i ask the honorable gentleman to exercise what modicum of self-restraint he's able in the circumstances to muster secretary of state many members have raised the question of the legislation and let me just i think the honourable gentleman from a sedentary position stops mumbling and trying to
put me off he will hear the answer he will hear the he will hear the answer to the question that his colleagues have been asking in respect of the legislation which is can i just say for a moment i wish that it were just mumbling it is very much more vocal than mumbling it is too noisy it is excessive and it should desist let us hear the secretary of state as many as i'm going to say no i think the eyes have it the eyes have it we come now to the adjournment i'm not sure
whether it's mumbling or some other noise that's taking place but it seems relatively good natured we come now to [Music] the adjournment and with innovative ways of using our hard-won credibility which we wouldn't have if we listened to the muttering idiot sitting opposite me [Applause] in order in order oh [Applause] i'm very worried about the health of the health minister who's so over excited he might suffer a relapse and i'm a compassionate chap i don't want that to happen but the prime minister will please withdraw the word idiot it's unparliamentary a simple withdrawal will suffice
we're grateful so then they come to the maximal i don't think maximal is a word mr speaker your vocabulary is better than mine and perhaps i should ask you to rule on it later in the day but mr speaker i know you're about to tell me that i'm oh you're not okay um i think that's very good it's just that you were frowning mr speaker i've known you long enough to know that a frown um may indicate that you're about to to stop my flow so let me go back let me go back um to
the original uh reason behind this debate i was tempted along the other path by my honorable by the honorable gentleman um i'm sorry if the right honourable gentleman was concerned that i was frowning perhaps i can satisfy simultaneously his curiosity and that of the honourable gentleman member for northeast somerset i've made inquiries as the honourable member for northeast somerset would expect i'm now in a position to tell the honourable gentleman on the house that the word in question maximal is the penultimate word in the second column of page 1720 of the new shorter oxford english
dictionary i know the honourable gentleman already knew that and i'm just reminding him mr vaz mr speaker i'm enormously grateful that my speech should will go down in history uh as the one in which you've made such an important ruling and thank you very much for choosing my speech to do this angel adams i'm really very worried about the conduct of the education secretary in the average classroom he would have been excluded by now he must calm himself mr nigel adams i think i i think the exchange order on both sides members need to calm
down i always listen with great interest to the pronouncements of the secretary of state for education but i say to him all courtesy that his pronouncements from a sedentary position on matters for which he has no direct ministerial responsibility add nothing i'm not interested i don't want to hear them the right old little gentleman should sit silently and listen to the debate if he feels unable to do that he's welcome to depart the chamber and we'll just about manage without him harriet harman thank you mr speaker when it was the look mr speaker i'm trying
to set out or order it is up to the honourable gentleman to show some sensitivity to the conventions of the house he's asked the answer was no he shouldn't keep persisting at it you can have another later if he wants order order i don't need any guidance from the honourable member for broxtow upon the strength of her two years in the house about correct parliamentary procedure the honourable ladies are very distinguished figure and a rising star but i think i can probably just about get by without her assistance in this important matter harriet harman and
we certainly do the honourable gentleman is signaling from a sedentary position his interest in participating he's holding out his hands to imply wings of an airplane he may have flown here but i'm afraid he didn't fly here quickly enough it's always a delight to hear the product of the honorable gentleman's lucubrations but i'm afraid that we'll have to wait for another day as he wasn't here at the start we'll hear the honourable gentleman another time we'll save him up it will be worth hearing i feel sure mr mark means more than half [Applause] you are
now officially a statesman and a statesman shouldn't yell across the chamber sir tony calm yourself no no point of order required at this stage i shall hear the honorable gentleman on another occasion with great anticipation mr kevin brennan speaker i was just testing their numeracy it is of course 30. [Applause] uh mr speaker the uh the systematic lying everything else will be slowed up the more noise there is so i don't care what the exhortation is to people to create a wall of noise that should and must not happen in this chamber and if we
end up being much slower because people are mindlessly bawling their heads off from either side of the house we will be slower and i don't think the public will be much impressed by that sort of behavior from either side of the house mr ed balls a similar level to that which prevailed under the previous government and it is not of course the only prosecutor for fraud well we're much better informed but anybody would think that these lawyers are paid by the word mr philip davis mr speaker this time we have put in place order we
now face the unenviable situation of having an exchange across the chamber mr heaton harris calm yourself if you wish to give vent to your views and you behave like the good man you can at your best be you might succeed in catching the eye of the chair and if you're not able to do so you might find it more difficult minister order the question is that they'll be now around a second time as well as other opinions say i of the country no i think they are harmful to us in terms of the health of
members in this place can i appeal to members to show some courtesy towards members of speaking not to whitter away as though their own conversations are somehow more important sit quietly or if you're not interested in doing so get out we can manage without you caroline lucas that includes dave 400m that includes these two and it includes the typhoon the question was simply far too long i called the honourable jedi i don't know why the honourable gentleman's smirking about it he's abused his order he's abused his privilege and he ought to learn from it minister
of state the honourable lady has provided an object lesson to new members on how to shoehorn one's own question into someone else's and we are greatly obliged to her mr ian swales i'm afraid that that was an examination that was designed by the labour party introduced by the labour party and the people and the people order what i'm about to say to the honourable gentleman member for cardiff west that he makes more noise chantering from a sedentary position than he does in strumming on his guitar and i'm bound to say that the noise is not
as melodious the secretary of state mr speaker i have nothing to add to your excellent uh uh judgment from the chair yeah mr david davis ah order we'll hear from top cat in a moment not just yet i should have explained mr david davis he with the slightly grayer hair and the longer service in the house which is infinitely preferable to many other countries to whom we have extradition arrangements great interest for the honourable gentleman but i must say to him that if in practicing in the uk courts he was paid by the word he
would now be an immensely wealthy man the home secretary the question is that new clause 9 be read a second time as many as that opinion say aye of the country no they can manage the country no i think the eyes have it the eyes have it thank you the question is that new clause 10 and you schedule one be added to the bill as many as i've been in say i i of the country no i think the eyes have it the eyes have it i'm sorry to disappoint colleagues but we must now move
on points the honourable gentleman has been in the house since 1987 he knows perfectly well the points of order come after statements and not before them i think he was just teasing me and teasing the house i feel certain well done there's noise on both sides mr kaczynski i have had reason to indicate this to you before but you must calm down i think you need to go on an anger management course man but you must get order get a grip mary craig yesterday was in fact a sad day for me because i was in
mourning because queen's park rangers sadly lost against arsenal in the 10th minute following following a goal which i can only conclude was offside so yesterday was a day of mourning the arsenal result was extremely satisfactory and i was there to observe it mr justin tomlinson we come now to the main business the clerk will now proceed to read the orders of the day public service pensions bill second reading the whip says now now i'm grateful to the whip i call i'm grateful to the honourable gentleman for his point of order and in response i make
two points first i think that we're always obliged to the honourable gentleman the member for ronda for chantering from a sedentary position about herces if he'll be good enough to allow me to intervene on him and to respond to the point of order from the honorable gentleman order order order government-backed benches including ministers apparently approaching maturity they've really got to no i fear not they've got to tackle their behavioral problems before it's too late ed miliband this is an incredibly serious issue chancellor this is about taxpayers money this is about taxpayers money and incredibly large
sums of taxpayers order mr zahawi i'm sure that in your own way you mean well [Applause] you are far too excitable it's no good looking up and around and at places outside the chamber and waving your hands in a bizarre manner what you need to do is to calm down it will be good for you good for the house good for stratford-upon-avon mr chris leslie to the right isn't that a better way of building affordable homes and boosting the economy very experienced member the question is about using the revenue to the extra order from the
auction that's the term of order order no assistance is required from the honourable general he'll accept my ruling and he can like it or lump it minister european union croatian obsession and irish protocol bill second reading now i'm grateful to the whip that he's very audible now i call the minister let me let me explain [Applause] mr speaker let me explain let me explain the shadow chancellor the shadow chancellor's not here order the right honourable gentleman is in danger of being heckled rather noiseably and stupidly by both sides the right honourable gentleman's the right honourable
gen the right honourable gentleman's answer will be heard however long it takes so the juvenile delinquency should stop now an empty prime minister well this debate is flushing out the government position uh mr speaker isn't it the minister keeps heckling from the front bench but clearly we now know we know i just asked the right honourable gentleman to resume his seat let's order let me say once and for all to the honorable lady who has been conducting a running commentary since she sat on that bench at the start of the debate stop it i don't
wish to hear it neither does the house the right honorable gentleman the secretary of state will respond in due course if the honorable lady is dissatisfied with what has been said a right honourable friend will have the chance to respond i don't want to hear the sedentary chantering and the finger wagging and all the rest of it the honorable lady she can say poo if she wants the honourable lady will accept the ruling of the chair and either behave or get out of the chamber i don't mind which it is andy burnham yeah thank you
uh mr speaker i very much hope when the um government risks order look let me just say to the minister once and for all no i say to the minister perhaps she'd have the courtesy to listen when she's being spoken to from the chair it is not acceptable for any member of this house to treat this as a private conversation between him or herself and the member on his or her feet if the minister is dissatisfied with what is being said other people on her benches can pick up those points it is totally unacceptable to
behave in this way and it will stop straight away and i hope the whip has noticed it and i'll be speaking to others about the matter kerry mccarthy for example in north wales an independent was elected last thursday who subsequently turned out to be a member of the liberal democrats does he does he feel that uh that would constitute grounds for because mr speaker i don't i i know he thinks otherwise but being a member of the liberal democrats is not yet a crime it's not yet a crime it's not a crime [Applause] this is
question time members can't divide the house now no opportunity the deputy prime minister labor illiberalism pushed to new new extremes mr speaker order the honourable gentleman shouldn't be chuntering from a sedentary position about who came in the chamber when i know perfectly well what i'm doing the honourable gentleman has been here for some time he's been legitimately called and that's all there is to it very straightforward the honourable gentleman should keep schtum he might learn something the central state did you hear that order the honourable member for reading east has wandered almost like a nomad
albeit all at one end of the chamber across three benches but i hope he's now comfortably perched and ready to give the house the benefit of his thoughts mr rob wilson i i thank you for that kind introduction mr speaker different places across the country i'll clearly take proceeding at different different paces and i'm sure north yorkshire from my own experience of them will be amongst those at the forefront of this competition we're grateful to him i shouldn't have forgotten quite so quickly i do i'm sorry i'm sure it was otherwise extremely memorable it's entirely
my fault i'm sorry to disappoint the liberal democrat members and i note their enthusiasm and eagerness but unfortunately neither of the honorable gentlemen was in the chamber at the start of the session so neither of them can speak the honorable gentleman should no the honourable gentleman should resume his seat order the honourable gentleman should resume seat he wasn't here that's the end of the matter the olympia should resume his seat okay we come now to the statement on energy [Applause] we're grateful to the secretary of state in the nick of time i'm sure he would
have been very happy for the statement to be delivered by the minister of state but it will be delivered by the secretary of state mr ed davey the eyes to the right 334 the nose to the left five so the notes the eyes have it [Applause] the eyes have it the eyes have it don't get too excited mr wishart unlock the milking of pigs is a novelty and although i'm not an expert on these matters i rather hazard the guess that it would prove to be an unprofitable activity mr bill esterson number three speaker fabricant
well mr speaker the last three questions i agree with everything they said i think the honourable member for banbury have given comprehensive answers and i have nothing to add [Applause] i hope the moment will be recorded it's a first certainly from the honorable gentleman mr chris bryant well can i just make a point a hundred and fifty order under order although i don't require any help from the honorable gentleman he should concentrate on the pursuit of his own duties to the best of his ability or the honourable gentleman has perambulated around the chamber but if
he assures me that he has remained at all times within it then we must hear him it's a very curious approach but it's not of itself a breach of the standing orders of the house he's been hiding let's hear from mr alex shelbrook i am i'm most grateful to you mr speaker indeed i have i have moved around i fear the enunciator is rather over excited i can assume only that it's not quite got a customer as i haven't either to the spectacle of the honorable gentleman the member for shipley using an ipad in the
chamber it's quite a remarkable state of affairs upon which he is of course to be congratulated hugo ranco davis mr speaker prime minister yes visits on official business are subject to the requirement of advanced disclosure to the member whose constituency is affected the level of busyness of a member is not a material factor often these very busy very senior very respected ministers also have significant numbers of people available to help them but we'll leave it there for today oh the day wouldn't be complete without a point of order from the honourable gentleman the member for
rwanda i haven't done for quite a while mr speaker but um you may have noticed that on occasion on occasion ministers make speeches outside the house and we have no notice of this and then until suddenly we read about it in the telegraph and sometimes these are very important developments of new policy but we now know for certain fact that the prime minister is going to be making a speech on europe in the new year and i think it's probably going to have some policy in it so wouldn't it be a good idea if that
speech were made in the house rather than anywhere else i think that the new year will bring new challenges and it would be wise to embark on them then but not now and in the hallowed words of the late lord white law i generally find that it is better to cross bridges any when i get to them [Laughter] an announcement will be made imminently to confirm the name of the new victims commissioner and i look forward to working with her very closely indeed a lot of work is being done to improve security and safety in
courts in addition to what i will be doing and what the and what the victims commissioner will be doing for hearing further details in due course if we've not already heard all of them mr rob wilson number 13 minister speaker my honourable friend made mention of the victims commissioner earlier uh could uh could i could the house have an update on what progress is being made towards the appointment of a victims commissioner and when and when it is likely this appointment will be made i look forward to announcing the name of the victims commissioner within
the next few days we are now all agog mr steve mccabe [Laughter] here the the minister's um honorable right honourable friend a moment ago seemed to confirm in a reply to his honorable friend that the legal aid bill for abu qatada came to half a million pound has been reported in the newspapers could he explain why then he refused to provide that figure in a written answer to me last week uh well i'll have to look into that i'm not aware we refuse to provide anything since the figure has been made publicly available well the
plot thickens mr robert buckland mr speaker we wouldn't want them to be dissuaded that talent pool to be dissuaded from applying to work for small businesses i think on the strength of that answer there's plenty of scope for an adjournment debate in which we'll hear no doubt about the nordic nostrums and views about neanderthals from the honourable gentleman the member for huddersfield who was scarcely able to contain himself a moment ago mr nick dakin thank you mr speaker
