Tom Aspenol is furious with the UFC and in brand new footage, he's finally letting it all out. I can tell you some stuff about the money situation, but I'm not sure I can say on camera, so I will tell you that after. I I think I'm a bad matchup for him, to be honest.
And I think he knows it. My opinion, I think it's a huge risk. Yeah, it's huge risk.
You're younger, you're athletic, you hit hard, you pose problems, we don't have much data on you, meaning that we don't know what happens if you do. I I honestly can see John's point of view. I get it.
I get it. It's just about the title for me. Yep.
I just want the title. That's it. John, in my opinion, if you look at his body of work over the last 15 years, he's like as close as you can get to perfection as possible.
He's like 37, 38 years old, but not only that, he's got a million miles on the clock. So, he's got a lot of damage on the body. He's took a lot of shots to the head.
And that's not me saying anything negative about it. That's the reality of it. And I'm sure Jon Jones is aware of that.
and he's fighting one of the most concussive punches in UFC history. And I just think I can exploit it. Like I think to get out the way of me for 25 minutes at this point in his career without getting hit once and that's all I need is one.
I think uh that's going to be very difficult for anybody. The pound man debate rages on. Dana White whenever he gets a chance he'll tell you Jon Jones is the man.
Other people say he's not active enough and and you're in a position to comment on that. What you think? What is this pound for pound bull?
It's a load of rubbish. It's like saying it just doesn't even make sense. Like don't get me started on that.
It's just like how can you have a pound for pound? What does that does that mean if everyone's the same size? So how can you compare Demetrius Johnson style to Brock Lesnar style and say if they're the same?
Like they've got completely different attributes. It's like I've got a bulldog, right? It's like saying, "Right, if my bulldog had a really long neck, who would win a giraffe or the bulldog?
" Like, it's absolute [ __ ] How can you even compare it? It's a lot of rubbish. After nearly 2 years of being kept in limbo, Aspenol has had enough of the games, the politics, and what he calls the blatant protection of Jon Jones.
The UFC don't really want Tom fight anybody else other than Jon Jones. And you know that they're they can't they're saying stay tuned. That's the message they wanted Tom to give out to people and we had the meeting with Hunter and they're going to try and fix the fight with John Jones, but we're still in April now still waiting for this guy to say I'll have a fight or I'll not have a fight and I don't really understand that.
He's a fighter who should be having fights. Why is he just still sat around not giving an answer as to whether he's going to fight or not? Tom's done all he can do.
You know, he's he's fought in the middle of the night to defend uh an interim. He fought for an interim because he the fight was on for him to do an interim and he couldn't turn it down and he won that. What else can he do?
He can fight lesser people than Jon Jones, lesser ranked people than Jon Jones, but that means that he may miss the opportunity to fight Jon Jones, which is a massive opportunity. While Jones has been out in Thailand posting training clips, partying, and doing anything but defending his belt, Aspenol says his own career has been wasted. Also, the UFC could avoid forcing the champ to face real danger.
And now, with the division still frozen and no official date in sight, Aspenol isn't just calling for a fight, he's calling for answers. And of course, it's been pretty interesting all the stuff that John's been saying to the media this week, and I'm sure there's more to come, but check out these. You're beating guys who aren't even champions and you consider yourself a champion.
He's not a champion. So John said, "I need to fight more champions, but this is the problem I've got. John is the champion and he won't fight me.
" And he says that he won't fight me because it's too much of a gamble. Aspenol to me is no difference than an O in St. Prude or Dominic Reyes or or Anthony Smith.
like just another up and cominging up and comer that's exciting right now and I'm I'm not into gambling my legacy for what's exciting and John if you're not into gambling your legacy that to me sounds like he's scared of losing against me. The message wasn't subtle. Aspenol is done being patient and he's made it clear that his prime years are being stalled by a champion who refuses to defend the belt.
The frustration isn't just his anymore. It's starting to spread across the entire MMA community. fans, analysts, even fighters are beginning to question whether Jon is still the heavyweight king or just a name holding the throne hostage.
John, it's not about you. It's not about your life. It's not about your story.
If if you want to enjoy your life, if you want to be a part of a reality show, if you want to take that money and delay things and and and and hold someone else's dreams back from becoming a reality, that is ducking. that is ducking because there is a timehonored tradition in this business in the sport in combat sports in fight sports in sports period that the whole thing has to move along. It's not about your story.
Your story is great and you're living your best life. Great. Get rid of that belt.
If you want to do that, great. No one will begrudge you. Everyone thinks you've done enough.
You've earned enough. You've proven enough. Now allow someone else to have that same story.
allow someone else to write that same story. You are holding him back. You are holding back not only Tom Aspenol, but the rest of the division.
So yes, you're missing the point. This isn't about you. It's about the belt.
Aspenol isn't asking for clout. He isn't chasing attention. He wants the real fight, the real belt, and the chance to prove he's the best in the world.
But instead of answers, all he's been getting is silence, or worse, cryptic tweets and vacation clips from Jon halfway across the world. I take that tweet and I send it to the UFC. He told you his plans, he told you his intentions.
Now tell us cuz either one of you is lying at this point. Either John didn't tell them his plans or the UFC is not telling their plans. I said that the UFC came correct with the money.
John asked for top dollar, they offered him top dollar. Essentially wasn't interested that he's out living his best life. And so now what I believe is happening as we've talked about adnauseium on this program and quite frankly this topic is is is boring at this point.
If they announced the fight today we would say great now can we all move on but I believe that the UFC pulls the trigger on things when they have to. And so they they told Ilia we need that belt because we need a main event for April in Miami. We're taking that belt.
They told Islam, "We need that belt cuz we need a main event for June in Las Vegas. " Until they are forced with a predicament where they need a slot filled, they're not going to listen to what Jon Jones is saying. Get an idea.
He was the one who delayed and delayed and delayed till Francis was out the [ __ ] door. He could have fought Francis a long time ago. If he'd just taken the chance of going up to heavyweight earlier, we could have had him versus a prime Kane Velasquez.
Kane Velasquez was 240. Jon Jones is 260 265 and you're telling me Kane Velasquez was too big for him. What a load of [ __ ] Steep Mio could have fought him in his prime.
Another one who was no bigger than Jon Jones. So when he's giving it the big and being like, "Oh well, people always think someone's going to come and dethrone me. " And yeah, I get the narrative.
That was the way like heavyweight. There was always that next guy coming up. But you ain't never for an animal like Tom Aspenol who is as quick on his feet, who has the speed that he does at 260 lb, who has the heavy hands that he does.
You have never been in there with a beast like that. It's just not happened. I'm not saying that means Aspenol wins, but for people to do the Tyson Fury thing of going, "Oh, well, he's always won, so therefore he always will win.
" According to Ariel, this isn't just about injuries or timing. This is about Jon Jones actively avoiding the biggest threat in the division and using every excuse in the book to keep the interim belt as far away from him as possible. I see quite a few people here calling me a duck.
I'm a duck. Call me a duck. Call me a chicken.
Call me a goat. Call me a dog. I'm not in high school anymore, guys.
A grown man out here chasing his dreams. It's funny that we really live in a world where being called a duck should affect me. Guys, come on.
If I'm being completely honest, I feel like Tom's been such an [ __ ] that I don't want to do business with him, you know? It's just like his fans have been so annoying. And obviously you don't get this far in in a career being affected by fans or whatnot, but he he's just an [ __ ] you know, with with with his uh with, you know, he's he's 30, so he's from this influencer generation where you you hop online and the t-shirt sales and all that.
I'm past that type of stuff. I'm like, bro, if you had a little bit more respect, then maybe we could have worked something out, you know, but I just don't I just don't even want to do business with him, you know? At the end of the day, this is a business and fighting me gives him an opportunity to change his life forever.
And I I I don't even want to give him the opportunity. Like he he he just played his cars around with me personally. And and you know, I'm I'm 3 years from being a 40-year-old grown man.
You know what I'm saying? It's just like I I the press conference going through the whole shebang with him. I just I'd rather not do.
But hey, on the other side, respectful, cool, barely says much. It's like I I I'll do business with you. I I would risk it all with a with a human being like you.
You and you actually have the accolades to back up your [ __ ] This other guy is just a big mouth who's hot today. There's been so many guys who's hot today who are just gone. You know, Sergey was in the same position not too long ago.
Now he's starting to fall off already. I've just been around this sport too long to give a big mouth who's hot today the opportunity. You are ducking.
You're ducking the opportunity. You're taking that opportunity away from someone else. You are robbing someone else of the same opportunity and the same dream that you have already realized and lived.
That is selfish. That's not how the game works. And so it's on the UFC to make the call.
Make the call. And and and and you know what? They may have already made the call and it may be happening at MSG and we're all being, you know, we're all being taken for a ride here, but honestly, a if that is the case, come out and say it and and and and please tell Tom Aspenol, for the love of God, because by the time that fight happens, if it does happen on that day, it's going to be a year.
We're approaching a year since his last fight, and that fight lasted 60 seconds. It is a travesty. It is It is a crime what is happening to Tom Aspenol in the prime of his life.
in the prime of his career. Give up the belt or fight. That's it.
Defend or vacate. That's it. It's great.
We're all happy for you. I love the fact that you turned your life around. Truly, trust me, I was there.
We did the walk and talk in Albuquerque. I covered it all. It actually warms my heart.
But you got to keep the train rolling along. Even guys like Joe Rogan, Michael Bisping, and Chel Sunen have said it. If Jones really wants to prove he's still the baddest man on the planet, there's only one fight that matters, and it's Tom Aspenol.
And yet, here we are. Rumors about Madison Square Garden, rumblings about November, but no confirmation, no press conference, no official date, just tweets, interviews, and more mind games. Who who's next big heavyweight star?
Tom Aspenol, the guy who just won the interim title. He's phenomenal and he is again the next ad the the next advancement of the evolution of the sport. How so?
Well, because he can do everything. That guy's got elite jiu-jitsu. He's got elite takedowns.
His striking is outstanding. Like I've seen a lot of heavyweight, even Francis, who's like the greatest, scariest power striker I've ever seen in the heavyweight division. No one scarier than Francis.
Francis does not move like Tom Aspenol. Yeah, Tom Aspenol is significantly faster than every other heavyweight. That's a real problem cuz he's a heavyweight and he's a big guy, a really big guy, but he moves so fast.
And so his speed has always been like extraordinary compared to other heavyweights. Like he justing moves in. It's all like fast explosive movements.
So he's got natural speed, but then he's also got a lot of training to execute quickly. So when he moves in, he closed the gap. You can see like he's fast for a big guy, right?
I want to see it so bad. John was [ __ ] all over Aspenol saying he was lucky that he blew his knee out with Curtis Blades cuz Curtis was teeing off. If John Unless John avoided him, unless John used his wrestling to avoid exchanges, you know what that's all about.
Correct. It's called the Sha Shutdown. The shut down.
The Stipe fight was just like it's a weird thing. Aspenol is an athlete, man. He's such a good athlete.
freak athlete. Very fast. Very fast for heavyweight.
So fast. Yeah. We We felt the same way about Sir Gan now.
Yeah. Yeah. S doesn't have wrestling.
Doesn't have jiu-jitsu. Aspenol is like legit on the ground. Very legit on the ground.
So legit that his dad owned jiu-jitsu, gym. His dad's a black belt. He started doing jiu-jitsu at two.
Yeah. I'm interested to see how Aspenol is past the first round, right? Cuz we've seen him.
He looks so fast. He looks You're like, nobody moves like him. He looks like a younger Kane, but he just keeps knocking these guys out so quick.
So, I'm like, let me see him pass the first round to see if he has that cardio as well. Jones is the heavyweight champion. He's an incredible fighter.
You know, he's incredible. He's one of the greatest of all time. I don't think he can hold a candle to Tom.
I think Tom will do the same thing to Jon Jones as what he did to Martin Tyora. I don't think there's anyone that can stop Tom. Tom Aspenol.
He's that good. He's that switched on and he's just a great guy as well. Tom Aspenol, he's training.
He's calling. He's ready. Jon Jones still holding the belt.
still holding the power. But how long can he hold both before the fans and the fighters stop calling him the champ and start calling him what Ariel already did, a ducker. This is the only sport in the world you can have somebody hold your career back.
I've been almost a year inactive with no prospects of anything. Just be ready and uh we'll just let you know. Yeah.
And it's kind of difficult like mentally to Yeah. This is the fight against Jon Jones. Like not the fight is another thing.
Yeah. This is is the tricky bit where I really have to stay switched on, stay motivated, and uh I'm trying my best. I'm trying.
It's tough. As you said a minute ago, no one really knows what's going on behind the scenes apart from me. Exactly.
But you're you're an office cooking. I train all the time anyway. Just cuz I've not got a fight doesn't mean I don't train.
Like I I honestly can see John's point of view. I get it. I get it.
It's just about the title for me. Yep. I just want the title.
That's it. Yep. Does nothing else really matters.
So you're like, "Let me do my thing. Let me fight. I just want to fight.
" And I think that's the respectable way to go about it. It's like, you don't care if it's Jon and it's no disrespect to John. It's no disrespect to anybody out there.
You're just trying to fight. I just want to fight. Yep.
Is Jon Jones scared to fight you? Yes. Absolutely.
I mean, the thing with Jon is conning the public, man. Whoa. And Logan Paul's favorite fighter.
Yeah. Oh, is it really? Well, listen, I mean, he's definitely top three.
He's definitely top three. Absolutely. I'm not disputing that he's an amazing fighter.
I think the fact that he um didn't want to fight in Ghanu for 3 years and now he's not wanting to fight me for over a year. And he just the way he manipulates the the media and the public is super smart. I'm not taking anything away from him.
But do I think he's scared to take the tough the tough fights at this stage in his career? Absolutely. Can you understand that?
Absolutely. Yeah, I can. You like can empathize with that?
I respect it. I respect it. But if you're going to ask me the straight up question, is Jon Jones afraid to fight me?
The honest answer would be yes. Ultimately, if the UFC continues to allow this evasion, it's only a matter of time before the entire lightweight hierarchy is forced to rethink what it means to be a champion and whether a title that's more about politics than performance should be defended at all. What do you think you have where you're better than him?
Well, John, let me first start by saying John is absolutely elite, and I completely agree with the notion that he's one of the best fighters ever. Is he the Is he the greatest? Uh, potentially, but the way that I look at it is he has failed a couple of drug tests.
To me, that rules you out of being the best of all time for me. For me personally, yeah, I think Does it make him a cheat? Yeah, of course it does.
Yeah. Yeah. If you if you're if you're on steroids or whatever, I don't I don't think he was on steroids, but he was on peeds, performance-enhancing drugs.
If you're on peeds and your opponent isn't, that's absolutely cheating in my in my book. Unless you're both allowed to do it. You've never taken anything off?
Absolutely not. On on censored, I don't know. That's his uh prerogative.
No, I'm not bothered. John Jones is uh seems to get his feelings hurt a little bit a lot. Think he's a little snowflake?
I don't think he's a snowflake now. But um is he ducking you? No, he's trying to get more money.
I don't think he is ducking me. He's trying to get more money. And I mean, as far as Curtis Blades go, there was also a lot of people thinking it could have gone over a round and a half.
And I mean, you don't you don't like second rounds. Like, what do you have? What do you have against second rounds, Tomas?
Absolutely nothing. Um, his coach said in the in the buildup, we're going to drag him into deep water. We're going to drag him to later rounds.
So, I was preparing myself for the later rounds. You know what I mean? That was me.
I was going slow in there. I wasn't That wasn't me trying to knock him out at all. I never looked for the finish.
I was uh like they're saying they've got to drag me into deep water. I'm going to look at the camera and say it. Somebody drag me into deep water.
I'm telling you, I want to feel what it's like. I want to I want to see if I can swim or not. John Jones, if you can drag me there, take me there because right now all these guys are saying it, but no one can do it.
He changes nothing if I beat him. Beating Tom was just like beating real game. Has a whole country behind him.
He's hot right now. What happens to me after I beat him? Nothing changes for me.
I'm not ducking Tom Aspenol. The Tom narrative came out of nowhere. He won a belt and now suddenly I'm ducking him.
I've never had negotiations to even fight him. If this makes sense. You're calling out Jon Jones, right?
Who's that's the boogeyman? Like Jon Jones is the [ __ ] boogeyman. When he fought Gustiffson, he had almost no training camp.
They said he barely showed up Jackson about it and Greg Jackson was always like he didn't even train for that fight. He pulled that fight off in the fourth and fifth round. That's when he like really turned it up.
So you're talking about a guy who hasn't even been training. And then you saw the real Jon Jones in the second fight. That's motivated Jon Jones.
It wasn't a perfect fight by Tom. Curtis was actually fundamentally doing some things a little bit better than Tom. And Tom is so powerful.
One thing about Tom is these boys he's putting down. These are the big heavyweights. Tom still touching these boys one time.
Mike Tyson had a hard time putting down the heavyweights that were 240, 250, 260. These are the guys that Tom is touching one time. This is a shocking power, guys.
When I'm thinking of a Tom versus John, I don't love the idea that Tom is getting guys out of here so quickly. In three years, Tom has been in the ring about 3 minutes. But the other side of it is what are you going to do?
How you going to stop it? Curtis Blaze had a plan. He's as dangerous of a wrestler as the division has.
And that plan did not make it out of the first round. Jon Jones, listening to this right now, what is your message to the man? I don't have a message.
I've had enough. Let me fight. Somebody.
Somebody. I don't I'm not bothered to do it. It's just let me fight.
495 days you've been the interim champ. How much longer are you willing to wait? I just want to fight somebody.
I'm a professional fighter and I want to fight somebody. I'm overweighting to be honest. For whoever wants it, whether that's Jon Jones or somebody else, I will fight somebody sometime soon.
And that's why this could be the biggest fight in UFC history if it ever actually happens. Will Jon Jones finally step up and face Tom Aspenol? What do you think happens next?
Let us know in the comments below.