Mafia's Top Lawyer Who Runs Las Vegas

[Music] he says I hear you have a problem with the president I said I got a big problem with the president we want you to meet him at the time like I said I wouldn't meet this president the tarmac if he's the last President on earth you didn't say that how about cocaine how about heroin you're legalizing that so a wallet so legalize all of it all right and if they Want to kill it don't let me kill them so soon legalize coke legalized her own legalized prostitution with cut comes off of somebody does graffiti

she used to say Oscars clients never hurt anybody they just killed each other I mean you read a story about their Tony putting a guy's head in a case I spied on the case so adesso did it happen did it you know the saying look you can get away with murder if you have enough money and the right attorney backing you up how much Truth is there behind that stage well so today we're sitting with somebody I've been looking forward to this meeting we've been going back and forth finally we could get the schedules to

work together Oscar Goodman to introduce him properly is a three-time mayor of Vegas then as a wife follows up and comes the mayor Debbie you know your wife and mayors for what 19 20 years now big almost 20 years we've never been done before I've never done before in the United States he has been known as a mop a turn knob there's no such thing as a mob come on Patrick you said this was gonna be a legitimate interview I told you that but after all the fights and battles I said you got to open

up you got to talk to us City so I appreciate you like you want me to rat out the mob and maybe we're gonna get to a little bit of that I don't know some of the questions here we got is gonna be tricky but by the way if you're a movie Guy and you're like mob movies if you've seen a movie Casino you would have seen Oscar Goodman in the movie Casino I could tell all your viewers one thing if they would watch the movie I make 13 cents every time it's on TV 13

13 cents it's a wonderful that movies played a lot of time so you made a lot of 13 so a lot of 13 still gettin residuals could you imagine what the neuro gets so you were De Niro's attorney in the movie I was De Niro's Attorney in the movie in Pesci's attorney in the movie and Sharon Stone's attorney in the movie and in real life represented all the people they depicted the Tony Spilotro was a Pesci character De Niro played Frank Rosenthal and Sharon Stone was Jerry Rosenthal and I know you told me a story

last time that Sharon's don't came to your house it was a lovely lovely woman not the persona that you see the tough lady she's like she's like the Girl next door she's a beautiful lady she is it physically she's beautiful you're telling me she's beautiful as I say and because I always say yeah it's beautiful on the inside is the outside I have some cool questions I want to go through with you obviously for you to go from where you were at moving here so why do you leave Philadelphia to come to Vegas don't you

know Philadelphia like you left 64 it's not like there wasn't any action and full of bills and every Kind of action they were the cops there were using billy clubs knocking people over the head today instead of shooting them so that's the difference in the action I want to know who you were in high school but you know guy we do you know the Gator who you the 4.0 GPA where you I was like a 2.0 no I usually was the dumbest guy in my class although I went to the best schools I went to

a wonderful High School where you had to take a test to get into it was one of The two finest high schools in the United States at the time guy it was he only high school in the country that had a president instead of a principal then my folks moved and I went to a private school out on the main line the Haverford school and then went to Haverford College which was ranked number one in US News and World Report as the number one liberal arts college in the United States and basically I was the

dumbest kid in my class but I loved I loved College it was like being at the Elysian Fields it was bucolic I studied philosophy I studied sociology but then I'd lost him I was like the ugly duckling that became the beautiful swan and played a little football there played a little baseball there played a little everything I was the only undefeated wrestler and Harvard's history yeah my roommate was a real wrestler and they were wrestling I think Lafayette College and the Lafayette Heavyweight was out so they took me along said Goodman's gonna be the heavyweight

tonight no one was there to oppose me so they declare me the winner which was very very good champions I went to law school University of Pennsylvania fine law school Ivy League but the truth the matter is compared to my experience at Haverford which was just so interesting to me in those days when I went to law school I was with people I'm still friendly with them who Wanted to be corporate lawyers wanted to be business lawyers and I wanted to be a civil libertarian I wanted to represent people the little guy against the big

government so I was unhappy and got married to my wife barely made it through my first year of law school it was a miracle that I made it through and became even unhappier not only with the curriculum but the fact that she was supporting me and that bugged me I mean I couldn't stand the fact that my wife was why because I looked I guess I'm chauvinistic I thought that the man was supposed to support the woman at least in those days that's what I think it was the right thing to do so I decided

to get a job and I walked from 34th and chestnut where the law school was and Philadelphia down to Broad which is the equivalent of 14th and Market one block off at chestnut went into the DA's office there knocked on the door didn't Know a soul and the DA himself came out Jim Crow malysh and I said mister Cranitch I said I need a job I'd like to be a clerk for your office he said well I don't make those decisions but you may want to see all inspector who became a United States Senator a

very important person in America's history he interviewed me he had just come off the first victory of a prosecutor against the teamster official and he was riding at the crest he was very very popular And he said I could always use a research guy do you want to work I said I really I really want the job he said I'll pay in dollar an hour but you have to work forty hour a week well I was the only guy in my law school class who worked at all because everybody's studying they want to be warring

to order of the coif I I said I'm so happy thank you for the privilege of being able to work and I worked my tail off and he was a stern taskmaster very Critical of anything that I did but constructively criticize me and a wealthy widow was murdered in Philadelphia and the fellows who murdered her took three hundred thousand dollars from under her mattress came out to Las Vegas to launder it in the old-fashioned way at the crap tables now here is this I'd say 63 1963 got it Arlen assigned me to work up the

testimony of the police officers who arrested these two fellows While they were in Las Vegas they got released on a writ of habeas corpus and then went to Omaha they were really they're brought back to Philadelphia for trial in the murder case and they raised a Fourth Amendment search and seizure issue as far as the search that took play in Las Vegas and that the two policemen who engaged in the search activity here and arrested them here they came back at Orland said interview these fellows and Anticipation of a motion to suppress so was one

of these cold dreary rotten Eastern nights that the wind was just going through this old stone city hall building and we worked for four or five hours and then they said let's let's go out to dinner we had dinner and dinner they said you're a nice kid what are you doing here well nobody ever asked me that question before Philadelphians in those days were the most provincial people in the world I said where else is There they said Las Vegas I say you got to be kidding people live there he says it's a great community

so I went home that night and I woke Carolyn up my wife my dear a beautiful bride I woke her up and I said sweetheart how he'd like to go to the land of milk and honey she said I love you but I'm not going to Israel so that was the end of that one and then we decided we would come out here because he promised the new frontier they said you could do whatever You want Las Vegas if you have half a brain and you're willing to work and they were absolutely right we didn't

know a soul came across the country arrived at the top of the mountain looking over the valley here there were a couple twinkling lights in the desert and my wife said where have you brought me I said don't worry this is the great she says my parents were right I shouldn't have married you we settled in we had lived in a tiny little apartment In Philadelphia and she said I want you to have the nicest apartment that you could afford and I said well that's not too much we have $87 between us we found an

apartment it's a nice little apartment it was a two-story apartment we're here here a two-story apartment that had a little patio front I mean compared to what we had in Philadelphia which was like a postage stamp this was like a palace but one next-door neighbour worked for the del Webb Corporation very nice another one was they had a food and beverage and another hotel and across the street was a prostitute who walked a little poodle every morning and I got my binoculars out and she was a beautiful prostitute and she became my clientele the prostitute

absolute not the brutal what was the case that she became oh well more soliciting is what was it the soliciting soliciting and everyone has to make a living and by the Way you're for sure I certainly yeah I don't even think it's close first of all the girls will be safe the customers would be safe there's never been a case of sexually transmitted disease emanating from one of the brothels here in Nevada the girls have to go to the doctor no one's forcing them to work they make a decent living they eat well I visited

these brothels in preparation of cases on occasion and never heard a complaint from them I much prefer to see Somebody working in an atmosphere like that rather than going into some back alley and engaging in some $20 trick so you believe in anything that can be taxed turning legal I believe I believe in anything we're consenting adults who aren't hurting one another and can do I don't even get into the economic aspect yet I'm just saying how about cocaine how about heroin you're legalizing that so all of it so legalize all of it oh and

if they want to kill themselves let Them kill them so how do you say that and then you turn around and you say if you do graffiti in the city of Vegas which is your day off because it was my beautiful Blood Stone tortoise that some punk kid that graffiti so I wanted to teach people a lesson and I suggested that we go on TV not just cut the thumb off that wouldn't do any good it just hurt him I wanted everyone to see the thumb being cut off and you were serious about that serious

episode but I liked Stockades too they could take these graffiti people I haven't seen a Picasso out there by the way who's messing up the walls okay but we so legalize coke legalize their own legalized prostitution but cut thumbs off if somebody does graffiti where is you higher your process because they're hurting somebody with a graffiti a building that person has to spend a lot of money or the city has to spend a lot of money to make it clean again or else Do you have just a outrageous blight taking place all over the place

and with these other things you're just hurting yourself it's like I have four children and none of whom drink and drive now that wasn't an a priori decision on their part they learned that drinking and driving is bad you're gonna get in a lot of trouble and the same thing you teach him that taking coke is taking opioids is bad unless you need them in order to appease pain but if They want to hurt themselves they're not hurting anybody else let them hurt themselves they're people I mean they're cutting a thumb off you're pretty hardcore

me you know I'm not I was a local time that's like this well I'm not taking eyes out but if the kid did it again and we caught him by the way I spent a little too much time with moms but no no no no we caught the kid who had graffiti cut his thumb off word let's put it this way I went to the Judge and I said as part of his sentence I want this kid to come up to my office in City Hall and apologize to the city of Las Vegas and when

he came up he caught his father with him and I had a machete on my desk come on I had a machete on my desk and I promise you this after he got through stuttering I could assure he's never gonna graffiti anything again city keys machete not cutting the thumbs off is what you're saying no I'm saying that he thought I Meant business how old was it can probably bout 17 you you probably mess with this kid's mind for the rest of it I don't like a remember you I hope you had nightmares about it

- every night that won't stop him from going to a prostitute though okay but it will stop it from graffiti maybe he is now a customer - that prostitute walking the poodle maybe there's a connection there now she's older than Methuselah she's a female Masseuse so so go back to you're in you're in the apartment two bedrooms so I'm finding who is your neighbors and then you have $87 rent is $87 how are you getting your first customer how did you get your first client to get a career going before we go there I said

to Caroline I said you have to get a job sweetheart and she got a great job but advertising and publicity over at the Riviera Hotel and it really was very very good at it so we had a little bit Of money coming in I made a little bit of money in the DA's office after I took the bar I went to work for the public defender's office I learned an awful lot there - my first six cases as a public defender I won them either when I say I won them I thought I had to

define that I got him dismissed I worked out a deal that the client could not refuse so they were very successful of course I was a court appointed for all intents and purposes the clients were not paying me Because I was a public defender not one of these clients thank me I guess I don't know why they didn't thank me but and you remember that out of the six none of them thank you not one thank me and the first case I got as a private lawyer when a referral from somebody I lost it and

they thanked me for trying so hard it always taught me that there's nothing wrong with charging a client and also I learned where there's a fee there's a remedy so I'm not one of these lawyers who had people come into his office and say oh I can't do it or it's not going to be good if I took their money they knew I would work as hard as any human being could work to make sure that had an appropriate result so how did this so call community called and that some people call mobsters now obviously

you know well they were mobsters in those hey how did you find him though how did you although you know you know a lot of People wiseguys I call them authors who write stories that Oscar Goodman was sent out by the mob to represent their interests in Las Vegas well the mob would not send me out with 87 dollars in my pocket I mean if I was coming out I'd be coming out in a chauffeured limo and with a little bit of money in my pocket it happened all by accident my dad who I told

you before I loved more than life itself he thought of a great present a great gift when we came out here first Of all he wasn't happy we were coming to Las Vegas it took him years to accept the fact they were going to Las Vegas because why was that what was he had the impression that many people in the public had at that time there was Sin City and it wasn't a place where people should live or even then the reputation was oh absolutely more so then they had a book called the green felt

jungle and everybody read it they gave my father a hundred copies of it he read it was Going crazy and some was going to Las Vegas and when people said where's Oscar he said he moved to Phoenix he moved to Las Vegas but he sent us a gift he sent us $20 a month which doesn't sound like a lot but it was all the money in the world with the proviso that it had to be used for entertainment purposes it couldn't be used for rent couldn't be used to pay taxes it had to be used

to take Carolyn out to dinner to see a movie something along that line Interesting there was a hotel where the Mandalay now is it was called the Hacienda and Carolyn she was the first counter believe it or not she didn't know she was a card counter but her parents played a game called to concentration will you take 52 cards he and turned them facedown so what you saw was the cover of the card and you picked up one at a time and you had to match them with each other and when you match them you

took them off whoever had the Most at the end of it well that's it my way her mind work so we would have a nice little dinner and usually he had about five or ten dollars left over and she would sit down to the blackjack table and invariably she would play the five or ten dollars and win and whenever she won she put it in her purse and when we lost she lost five or ten dollars I was smart enough in those days to know that he had to be thought of as a sucker by

the dealers and by the floor men and By the pit bosses if you're playing cuz no one's gonna beat them so I would stand behind her and it was a different Vegas in those days maybe a much friendlier Vegas and I would talk to the dealer the same dealer all the time sold by them a Bob Butler he's a very pleasant guy very pleasant and we became friends over the card deck one day calls me up he said I'd like you to do a little legal work for me and I did a nice little legal

work for $250 I still Remember including the cost he was happy I was a good amount back then that's not a good amount was $250 but it and you rent us 80 87 bucks so it's kind of like $4,000 to me well it's the only a guy like you who's that smart could figure that out and you're absolutely right we carried on the friendship after that a phone call came in to the Hacienda pet who's the best criminal lawyer in Las Vegas nothing's changed over the years guy picks up the Phone he cups it who's

the best criminal lawyer in Las Vegas nakiya I did the $250 case for said call Oscar and that's the way it all started Wow simple as that really it turned out that the fella who called me was Bob Martin Bob Martin was the odds maker for the world Canada no that was no Horowitz that Mel's brother was the one who was in trouble he called Bob who's the best criminal lawyer and they I get a phone call at home come on over to second Structured address as excuse me we haven't Hayes for you so I

say to Caroline because I'm not brave she's brave I said sweetheart take a ride with me because I was scared to go so we went out early worse I was scared to death is I you when you hear a voice like that I wasn't used to hearing a voice like that come right over and I went up to the door and a guy hands me an envelope he says here's your retainer three dimes and you better win the case I didn't know what he was talking about to me - whether he died mmm so I

said all right he says we got a phone call tomorrow I said fine I go to the car he said sweetheart go around the corner let me look what's in this envelope I saw a 30 $100 bills never saw so much money at one time in my entire life and I said I better win this case well I was the kind of case he can't win it was called a dire act where this fellas who retained his brother was Caught in a stolen car apparently in Arizona here in Nevada and all the government had to

prove was a car was stolen and it was stolen and taken across state lines and whoever is behind the wheel 999 times out of a thousand will be convicted well I got real lucky I tried the case on st. Valentine's Day I think the jury must have felt sorry for me and it's I I thought it was a fun story where we make our closing arguments the jury is Instructed my law office was about a block and a half from the courthouse judge says be one call I said yes your honor and walk back to

my office and on the way back the the mobster brother the guy who was taking care of the fella I represented he was a mobster but a nice monster bookmaking type offenses and they didn't bother anybody Berner it was a moneymaker he didn't yeah he didn't hurt anybody he says it better if the jury takes a long Time to come to its verdict or a short time I said oh here I am I'm like a big shot my first federal case I said oh it's not even close the longer they take the better we are

I walk into my office the phone's ringing jury has a verdict oh I said I told you the faster the better we went back there they found him not guilty well that's the way it all started because mr. Horowitz was a friend of mine Lansky hmm and Meyer Lansky was the national mob syndicates financial genius he with he and Lucky Luciano worthy the people most people know lucky but Meyer Meyer is a he's a he's a heavy guy I mean he's like the heaviest yeah I mean in the world of that world yeah he was

the biggest and he got indicted out here we got in her skin which is taking money before taxes are being paid on it taking it out of the system and he was living down in Miami at the time his lawyer Dave rose And was a friend of mine having met each other in a case where we defended the first wiretap case in the United States down in Florida and I was fortunate enough to have my clients severed and the case was ultimately dismissed against him so I developed a little bit of a reputation through no

fault of my own I was a very very lucky fellow and when Lansky gets indicted Rosen his his real lawyer calls me and said will you represent him on a local basis so I did And there were some very prominent defendants in the case the two fellows who owned the Fontainebleau in Miami were defendants of the case and they were represented by world-class lawyers Edward Bennett Williams from Washington DC bill Hundley who was Robert Kennedy's right-hand man I'm filing motions to dismiss based on Lansky's poor health and the government saying there's nothing wrong with Lansky

we have pictures of him walking his little Poodle down I wonder whether this is my next-door neighbors poodle walking the same poodle walking a poodle down 21st in Collins showed pictures of Lansky and I'm saying I have letters from the doctor saying he's too sick to go to trial he's do well and finally the others go to trial they're all found guilty Lansky does not go to trial and the judge dismisses his case so from that point on I am the lawyer in the country for certain kind of people you No longer have to look

for clients everybody's looking I have more clients than any lawyer in the United States what happened from there of just one case after another I became an expert in wiretap cases and represented a lot of people whose last name ended in fouls across the United States at cases in Miami Philadelphia Boston New York New Jersey South Carolina Macon Georgia of all places tried for cases of Macon Omaha Nebraska Representative fella by Name of Maxie the Little Giant Abramson Los Angeles San Francisco ERISA all over the place and it was the nation C of wiretapping and

I was able to pick apart the government's procedures and was winning one case after another based on irregularities under the wiretap statute ultimately I won so many cases I taught them how to do it right so I killed my own practice in effect as far as wiretaps were concerned but in doing that I represented all these People who were supposed reputed mobsters around the country and whenever they got in trouble when their children got in trouble their relatives got in trouble I got the phone call now did you become friends with these mobsters or wiseguys

you call how do you find friends so for instance like was it what are you doing Friday night let's go to and we're not talking business yeah what do you do not go to watch it in the donkeys game well all business except When I was lucky enough to win a case we went out to dinner and we celebrated but half do you want to care there was nothing that didn't have to no no because my wife taught me a lesson early on she said don't become your client I said what do you mean she

says if you are like your clients and not that they're bad people they were very charming they were very nice very respectful but the judges looked at them differently and she was saying if the Judges look at you as they do your clients you will not have any credibility with it so the clients understood that and we did not have social relationships we had friendly relationships but not social why don't you you shared a story on what happened when there was attorney context well no it wasn't an attorney it was interesting I one of his

associate yeah I had a problem a judge had ordered me to turn over financial transactions records and Financial transactions with one of my clients and I knew what the law was in the Ninth Circuit that financial transaction is not covered by the attorney-client privilege it's only the communication between the attorney and the client I knew that but I felt that was a bad law so I refused to turn it over and the government brought a motion to hold me in contempt of court and it was a serious business because they wanted me to be jailed

forthwith I said What is fourth with me and they said right away I said well we'll give him a chance to appeal it and he said but if you lose the appeal bring your toothbrush I was under that cloud I had a case in Boston I went up there my wife joined me and we're in the hotel room nice hotel and the TV's on what's this a white suburban going up and down the highways in Los Angeles what's the story here and they were saying that OJ Simpson Was being followed and chased as it related

to a murder that took place in the Westwood area and just as we're watching it on TV I get a phone call from a fella by the name of West who represents himself as an agent of OJ Simpson's and they want me to come out to Los Angeles immediately to represent him and they were gonna set me a $25,000 retainer so I said I can't they said what do you mean you can't I said I can't I have my own problems and I'm not Gonna take on somebody else's problems until I resolve my own so

I had found out that the first lawyer who got the phone call was Howard Weitzman another excellent lawyer who represented DeLorean on the cocaine case and want it and then after I passed I understand the Robert Shapiro got the phone call he brought in F lee Bailey and then Johnny Cochran so he had a great team I would have loved to have had that case but do you know you have to do what's right by People and I just didn't have the time basically on my own problems to take on somebody else's you if you

would have taken a you think the results would have been the same I think that the case was decided the moment the case was moved from Westwood through downtown Los Angeles I think that the folks who lived in downtown Los Angeles looked at Jason sand as a deity and he could do no wrong he was a hero of the community had gone to school down there great football Player popular public figure running through the airport jumping over suitcases and everything in a single bound and they weren't about to hurt him and I don't know whether

anyone could have lost the case he Shapiro Dasom they said do you think he did the crime he says let me put it through this way I haven't even told my wife what I think about this that was his answer yes I've never even brought it up it doesn't really talk to his wife they're not that Friend no I'm kidding no I'm kidding yes a lovely wife there she knows that yeah so I understand what so let me ask you another question this is this is a part of that world because when when I got

out of the military you know I didn't want to go to college but if I was gonna go to college to become anything I was gonna become an attorney you had a really great lawyer that would be the direction I would want to go that's it but you know the saying that's look you Can get away with murder if you have enough money and the right attorney backing you up how much truth is there behind that state well you know we're a capitalistic society and the way that we reward excellence is by paying somebody and

excellent attorneys make a very good living they do they charge a substantial amount of money for their representatives as services so I think you're probably if you have a lot of money you're going to get a better Lawyer than somebody who doesn't have as much money but on the other hand I've seen some great public defenders who make a meager salary in the scheme of things put it their life into a case and do as good a job as the most expensive lawyer in the world so I think as a rule of thumb you probably

right money buys an awful lot advise investigators it buys the ability to have exhibits and it buys time yeah in the sense that when you're getting paid you could take as Much time as a client could afford you to take to properly prepare whereas these poor public defenders they're overburdened and they have to move cases in and out but I think that generally is a good rule of thumb from your standpoint you're in that world I'm in a financial world what would I like to change about the financial world you know in the basketball I

don't like the ticky tack foul and you know I wish they'd get away from ties in NFL why Should we have a tie this you play until somebody wins you know all these things that people think that would change obviously in America you know how many people we have in prison you know we are the number one it's way too many right and then some people don't get the fair trial because they didn't have the money they didn't have the support if there was one or two or three things that you don't like about our

current system in place what would those things be well The first one would be if you have an FBI agent or a cop that the average person on the street is supposed to respect get on the witness stand and take an oath I swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God and then purgers perjures themselves tell us a lie they should be penalized substantially for that and it never happens they don't even get a slap on the wrist they don't even get a letter of reprimand in their File

they go on and lie in the next case that's the one thing I would do I would change that immediate how do you change that though you make sure that the either judges direct a prosecutor with a lie is taking place in that district to take the case before a grand jury and to see whether the grand jury wants to indict that person for perjury is there somebody you're insinuating are you talking like a Comey are you talking Anybody no I'm talking about just about every case I was involved in where where the prosecutor or

the FBI agent or the local cop lied and nothing ever happened to them yeah and that's outrageous okay so you would change the level of accountability for them what else would you change about it the system as far as a bail is concerned I think that they should use more house arrest they shouldn't keep somebody incarcerated who's presumed to Be innocent just because he's unable to post a monetary figured in order to get out that's something that there's a pretty easily worked out but it takes a it takes some time to do it it takes

some commitment to do it I think there has to be reform along that line are you saying here's the 20 crimes one can make at the bottom forty percent we can take three million people out and have them be held and just throw in a number out there you know we can take 300 thousand People and they can be housed right and put something on there and we can track where they're exact Channel what you're saying i electronic monitor that if they abscond then the alarm will go off do they make money to pay for

food how are they able to work what happens though there are Arrangements where they're allowed to during the daytime go and get to their job and then return they can't with the government pay for their food allowance or no if no no I'm not asking For a welfare state here I'm not curious no I'm not suggesting that at all they're suggesting that somebody shouldn't be penalized because they're their financial position what are your thoughts about what to do to minimize some of the time for these guys that well certainly one thing that I feel is

very very bad and it's interesting because it applies at the very very top of the rung and very very bottom of the rung and that's when a prosecutor makes A decision who he's going to give a pass to in order to have that person testify against somebody else we see it happening with Cohen the fixer the lawyer for drop new Trump said is my best friend my lawyer my loyal wonderful great until he flips and and now he's a rat and I think I if I have to predict and I think the same thing is

going to happen with Manta fort where he's going to look nobody gets a deal like manna fort Unless he's ready to give a fella like molar the the candy store the you don't let a guy he walk away from eight counts where he's found guilty facing another trial where he's looking at basically doing a life sentence at his age and say the most you're ever going to get is ten years if you work with us now what does working with us mean it means that you are going to fully cooperate and I've been in rooms

seeing how they asked them to cooperate if they don't Like what the person saying they said no no that's not cooperation you know more than that until they finally say what the prosecutor feels the prosecutor wants to hear and then they then the person has kept the deal let them walk away from murderers I'm gonna give a speech here in about a week well no later on this week I'm speaking to a group here at the Plaza and I'm gonna go through one case after another where they allowed guys who killed four people Who killed

eight people who killed 16 people who main two who had prison riots where they welded different parts of the guards body together they let him walk and you know where they walk they go into the witness protection program and they become your next-door neighbor and nobody tells you what these people did you could be living next to the most evil killer in the world you won't know the difference that you don't make deals like that with The devil that spawns perjury that spawns lies you shouldn't be able to make a you know saying that now

President Trump all of a sudden it dawns on them that's this isn't fair these guys are gonna become rats so they could testify against me that's not fair that's not the way it should work so you're hearing it from the very top now so how do you think Trump is doing I think I think the country is doing very well financially I Don't know whether it's attributed to him or whether it's a carryover to the prior administration or administration's I think he's very very clever that he appeals to his base with the tweets and the

Twitter's whatever those things are called but I also think the somewhere down the line if he ever has a proceeding they're going to be able to use those as statements against his personal interest and he's making a heck of a record against himself if he's not Telling the truth I think he has a bad habit unfortunately of I'm not going to say lying because lying is a very technical word but saying one thing one day and then saying the exact opposite the next day and now that he has Giuliani as his straw man out there

he's compounding the situation so I think from a legal point of view he's not doing so hot I think Muller is playing everything very close to the vest I think he's Doing what a prosecutor's supposed to do that he's not trying his case in the media but Trump can help himself he he tries his case and he appeals to people who will never find him guilty of anything because they love him but on the other hand I'm not sure he's helping himself you also had a falling-out with Obama back in this is like a financial

crisis time right now no no about ten years ago he made a comment about Vegas said hey Your dad made you make two comments made two comments yeah and you were upset about this upset you I mean it was I was outraged it was it was national news so I was outraged what what happened there all right were you out here I'm sitting I'm sitting as the chairman of the convention authority conducting a meeting and somebody comes up to me they said do you what the president said I said what are you talking about he

said that people should not fly their private Planes to the Superbowl and shouldn't go out to Las Vegas and Gamble their money I said that president wouldn't say something like that that's like saying that don't don't eat the oranges in Florida or don't buy cars in Detroit same thing I said now he couldn't have said that so at the end of the meeting I said did anybody hear that some high-ranking officials said something that about Las Vegas nobody raised her and then afterwards some reporter comes Up to me said it was the president he said

that I said he owes us an apology well you know if people took a front of that how can this mayor say that the president owes a city an apology I said I said it but I'll back off if you don't like the word apology he better straighten the situation out and say Vegas is a heck of a place to come to for meetings and conventions there's no better place and then when you're through Business you have a good time he says that I'm cool I write him a letter and I said I expect you

to say that I think it's only right because the next day Patrick the day after he made that statement 312 meetings and conventions cancelled come on I don't lie okay hundred and 312 meetings and conventions canceled the next day coming to Las Vegas a major convention paid six hundred thousand dollars to get out of their contractual obligation and went to San Francisco now I'm not I love San Francisco you know they have a nice bridge you can't see it because of the fog but it's a nice bridge but the price is there are way higher

here 3x is good I mean as far as a convention location we have a hundred fifty five thousand rooms no places further than fifteen minutes away from the airport it's a perfect spot but they paid to get out of it and they went up there so I don't hear anything And I'm boiling I'm steamy he makes another statement to a high school group same thing people should not spend their money in Las Vegas at the expense of paying their children's college to it now what's wrong with that though you know to his defense oh yes

to hear from this guy about Las Vegas the president the economy's bad he's telling you to save money but he's pointing less offense oh I'm not going to defend him the guy He hurt our town and on the mayor and I'm protecting our town it's that simple okay I don't care whether he's right or wrong he hurt my town how long did you feel it until the following took place every Memorial Day I visited the chapel's all over town when I was the mayor and I paid my respects to the fallen and to those who

served it's a beautiful day mmm gorgeous got through about 11:30 and I have a little koi pond in my backyard And I love going to my backyard watching my koi and turning my classical music on and reading a little book and the phone rings I run into the house oh and I also had started on my second martini at 11:30 they run into the house hello the mayor there I said there's a mayor he said this is a congressman Rahm Emanuel the president's chief of staff at the time but he called himself congressman I said

what could I do for you sir he says I hear you have a Problem with the president I said I've got a big problem with the president he says what we'd like to work it out because he's coming out we want you to meet him at the tarmac I said I wouldn't meet this president the tarmac if he's the last president earth you didn't say that I told you I don't lie I assured this wouldn't meet and I wouldn't lay the last president on earth right he hurt my city no he says I think we

could probably rectify the situation I Said I yes for that a long time ago I said what do you suggest I suggest when he comes out he tells the people don't feigus is a great place to do business a great place to have fun he'll do that for you I said he does that for me I'll meet him at the tarmac so he comes you know the way he walked comes bouncing off the plane and oh yeah the wise guy mayor he says that's the first remark to me I said I don't think I'm a

wise guy he says well they say you have a lot of Fancy suits I'm not sure that makes me into a wise guy maybe a mob guy but not a wise guy he says I hear you're angry at me I said I'm boiling he says well I think I was grating it out I said no you better not think you're straightening it out you better straighten it out because I'm out here meaning you based on the premise that you're straightening it out you didn't straighten it out you didn't straighten it out so I had it

with them and I said to my wife when she became The mayor I said you're gonna meet this guy at the airport she says I'm not you he surprised the United States he's coming to my town it's only right that I meet the president itíd States I said you do what you have to do I do what I have to do so we don't agree on that one point did that cause you to go from being a Democrat to an independent or he did so that was the reason no that wasn't the reason else was

a result because I felt that as the mayor I Shouldn't be looking at people as ours or die's on the mayor for everybody because of the way my popularity went everybody was in favor not everybody I mean only 84 percent were in favor of me being the mayor so I changed for that reason but I did change from independent or nonpartisan to Democrat when I got angry at Trump one day I ran down there in jail now I'm going to change it again i partisan yes That part's interesting because you know as a mayor you

are more with the people on a daily basis so I can see how you're saying I can't really be on a political side because I have to deal with people on a day to day basis yeah you know I often thought when I was sitting up there presiding over the city council meetings in particular the constituents were very close to me as close as you are almost I'm sitting up there and they're coming to me with their Grievances and they're seeking redress and I thought back and I said you know this is exactly what the

framers of the Constitution we're talking about when they said we the people and they did not want their leaders to be monarchs they wanted them to be representatives and I loved it everyone said when I ran for office I would hate the city council meetings it was my favorite time but it really made me feel like I was down with the people when I was presiding over These meetings I really enjoyed it and I have my like that line you were down with the people well that's true because I'm sitting up here yeah and the

people are down there speaking to me up here but I had my coffees with the mayor I did that once a month I had my martinis with the mayor which I did every night officially we did it once a month and it gave people an opportunity to come to a local bar and have a drink with me or go to a local Starbucks or tea and leave Whatever they call those places and have a cup of coffee on me and I wanted to hear what they had to say that's what the mayor is there for

and I think that's probably why you went from 67 to 87 to you know whatever to 87 right it's a 65 to 87th 82 to 84 84 yeah I mean listen anything above 65 is respect anything about 55 you're doing really good when I won by 65 35 the first time they said it was a landslide I felt it Zoey I don't well that's a landslide Well I don't think so but yes that's you're competitive so let me ask you if I come in is it fair to say that if I walk into your living

room I'm not gonna say a massive painting of Barack Obama and Trump in your living room is that a pretty fair assessment I think that's very fair however when you come to Oscars where we're today my little restaurant there I have a picture of mr. Trump when he was mr. Trump and I have a picture of President Obama and that's the picture by the way it with a President Obama of him coming off the plane you could see I am NOT happy when I first was elected mayor we acquired 61 acres downtown which we now

call Symphony Park and that's what I saw was a future for Las Vegas with great academic medicine with a wonderful performing arts he came out he wanted to build the buildings yep and he built a beautiful building and he builds beautiful buildings and the one thing I Wasn't able to accomplish as the mayor was to bring professional sports here I made the inroads by talking to Commissioner Bettman with the NHL and David Stern with the NBA and then Adam silver but my wife is the one she she capped the deal so we have the Raiders

coming here we've got the you got some hate for that you got some hate for not getting the teams to move out here you started it with you you got some criticism for about criticism but who's Criticizing it's important to know that anybody that does anything you know at the highest level you're gonna get that criticism is there always a couple people who are I call misanthropes they get up in the morning and they hate I mean they hate when they get out of bed all I could do with these misanthropes I pray to God

I pray to God that a misanthrope is living with another misanthrope and they hate each other and from the moment they wake up in the Morning they aggravate each other to death it's not a counter negative like they end up loving each other like when you hate each other like Tula hates becomes a lot although it doesn't become a love but I just hope they hate each other to death and we got a couple misanthropes around here so let me ask you this you know you know how you always like you you hear the stories

and you don't know how much truth there is behind it some use think To something you don't think there's when when when wanted to go to Atlantic City Trump did whatever he could for him to not get their life that's what they say yeah and then when Trump wanted to come over here when work this so how much different is there behind that I don't know it's the same thing as well you asked me whether somebody's guilty whether sitting in my wife you know their guys really good unless you're in the fray You really can't

say what's really happening all I know is this as a mayor you were you you wouldn't know like you wouldn't hear stories to say like you hear it but it's hearsay it I don't know whether the rumors that it happened neither one of them has a life I understand that but it's like everything else I'm too busy to worry about other people's business if I was a mediator and had to put people together and get the job done I'm there yeah but if you Get Trump that he has a life license you wouldn't he keep

building here I'm like bring it brings more economy here wasn't very no we're doing pretty good Las Vegas is back we he's not gonna come build casinos now as a president he's not gonna come and put the president Trump casino plate well yeah don't bet on that either that could happen because who knows what's gonna happen with the next term so here's a technical question for you now this is just a historic Question I'm Kherson of what you're gonna say about it say the folks from East Coast don't say and encourage this guy good-looking guy

who was a charm or suave had a temper but he had these blue eyes a guy named Bugsy say they don't ask him to come to Vegas say he doesn't buy flamingos say he doesn't see Hoover Dam say none of that stuff takes place what's Vegas today well without that well I'll tell you what it was back in 1905 when that's the official time when We say Las Vegas was created right where we're sitting today right on the ground down there they had an auction and we we peg our history from the day of that

auction this was a watering hole the cattle that was being transported from Salt Lake City to Los Angeles and vice-versa they would stop here the cows will get off they would water because there were these ripe Irian Springs and that's why we were founded they built the dam people came here they built the Air force base the army air force base in those days now called Nellis and nothing really what's happening as far as the economy was concerned and then we were the first place to legalize gambling and there were a couple small places but

Siegel's the first one to come here and to build the mega structure out at the Flamingo I had some places interest in the downtown joints but it was a Flamingo and that went bust as far as the mob was concerned they Were very unhappy with Salone was shortly thereafter he was a slain at Virginia Hill his girlfriend's home in Beverly Hills and huh what would be without somebody else would have done it once we had lost somebody else would have done oh I believe that yes so you could see Bugsy you don't think irrelevant Vegas

is still gonna end up me in Vegas right but it went through iterations in order to get where it was when Bugsy was here he Was working under the aegis of Lansky and then the other fellows came in basically there were a lot of Jewish fellows who were the front people for the the Italian guys who really owned hidden ownership of the hotels here and it was a great town in those days because each one of these hotels was owned by one group they weren't subject in the New York Stock Exchange Exchange in the filing

of forms and they didn't have the careful supervision over the The gaming so to speak it was wide open it was a bargain people came here when my wife came here with myself in 1964 we were able to go into a place called the Thunderbird it's not here we used to implode our history when I became the mayor I stopped the implosion so they got a renovate and do it over again but we went to the Thunderbird we saw Frankie laine nobody remembers him but he was a great singer Sarah Vaughan who was a great

singer didn't charge us We went in there they gave us free drinks free food they were happy to have us I don't know why I felt like a big shot I tipped the maitre d $2 came out I was wondering what it meant when he put his hand out like that that's that's when you knew he expected to be rewarded but we had a drink we enjoyed ourselves now you have to pay for parking so I think we have to watch ourselves here I know there are a lot of people are gonna be upset that

I'm saying that but we We're a symbol of something here we're symbol of freedom we're a symbol of people who think they're getting something for nothing people who know they're gonna have a good time and when we impose surcharges or rooms room taxes entertainment taxes parking fees I think we detract from what we are supposed to be and we better not kill the Golden Goose that has laid an egg here that has provided a pretty darn good life for all of us who live here you think that's Similar to what's happening to America where could

become so rich where we say let's start making welfare state and give everything else we're free to bear this original people at first you know created this brought this system of capitalism and now that were so rich let's let's get all these free problems because we can afford it now I think certain programs have to be free for people who can't afford it certain Health programs I think that's very very important I think that we have to address the homeless problem just about every city in the United States has a major homeless problem we're in

a position here in Las Vegas we set it up where as somebody who once helped gets help somebody who one shelter gets shelter but there's so many folks out there many of whom are veterans who come back and they really have suffered mentally and emotionally and they do not Want the help that the city is ready to give them we have to be able to reach out and take those people in our bosom and make sure that they're provided for as far as medication and food and they're just the common things that people expect in

life interest but don't give anything away to those who can earn it themselves that's where I am nobody gave bet you and nobody ever gave you anything for nothing no not not not this guy so and what amazes me these days and I'm not complaining because I had jobs that people would laugh at I love them all I was a janitor at a community center I clean toilets and men's rooms and ladies that's why I never use a public restroom because I know the way I used to clean them I wouldn't go near them I

sold fuller brushes I sold encyclopedias I had every job in the world and I loved every single day your attitude your attitude at these 15 16 17 year old kids they've never had a job And they're complaining they go away to college that they should go into the army they should have the mandatory service and get to some maturity and learn how to do something before they start spending their parents money we're on the same page with that so so let's go through some of the people you represent it ok and and and then maybe

some that you know I don't even mention that you may have some stories to to cover obviously we talk on Meyer Lansky Yes and Fat Tony Salerno I know you went through Nicky Scarfo Philly Leonetti Stardust casino boss Frank lefty Rosenthal Jimmy Chuck me something I represented everybody you represented pretty much everybody but why don't we talk about Tony right let's watch over this very interesting guy a very interesting because the FBI and the the local charges him of killing 22 people he said they say 22 now used to be 27 all my clients got

killed 27 people According to maybe the five are alive now they I don't know the authorities always said Goodman's clients killed this guy kill 27 I said not 26 I mean you read a story about the Tony putting a guy's head in a case I spied on the case so so did it happen did it as far as I'm concerned I want the case a jury they've found him that girl maybe he got a good attorney maybe he was innocent me maybe he had good money maybe yeah cuz you know maybe He was a well

two attorneys they paid me well I'm sure they did and you're a good attorney well thank you so how does the how does the populace know if it happened if it didn't happen and is that okay if we don't you don't what what difference does make it okay if we don't sure it's okay because the only thing that matters is what the jury has to say yeah but you went out you also went back when I asked you I said what would you change about the laws you said I don't Like the fact that some

of these FBI agents can get on and they can abuse their power that's correct it's a but you have to bring that out I bring that out during the case and you hope you have some reporter who's not out in the hallways but also said you said you'd rather have your daughter day Tony than to date an FBI agent yeah I did I just don't believe that Tony Avella I'll never lied to me I never had an FBI agent in any case that I ever tried tell The whole truth under oath on the stand how

do you like that that's your reasoning how do you like that that's that's that's scary and I didn't let him get away and it was a very bad winner you know you talk about bad losers I wasn't a bad loser if I lost I lost I was a bad winner because I made him suffer and when the jury came back and said that because the way I tried my case the government only had to do two things because I rarely put a client on The witness stand do two things one they had to follow the

Constitution not a bad rule and they shouldn't engage in prosecutorial misconduct by holding up a pair of panties with red paint on it and saying that the woman was raped and the jury supposed to think his blood okay United States Supreme Court they said that's wrong but before they said it was wrong we started all the time yeah you you said so many good things about Tony So yes that was a nice man they even said 20 was an even I think your mother one-time mid Tony you know why Indian you know what I said

your mother said they didn't even treat me like his mom they treated me like a lady being like a lady and she used to say Oscars clients never hurt anybody they just killed each other okay and she also said Oscars clients took me to the best Italian restaurants that's not bad but when Tony's Palacio Came you wish you had friends like Tony Scott show when they came into my office they said hello to my secretaries good morning when they asked for a cup of coffee may I please have it when they got a cup of

coffee they said thank you for it you can't ask for more than that you can't answer Brenda I know a lot of big shots okay who don't say good morning to people and it's true who don't thank people you could have those guys so then it becomes the level of Value on what is at the top because if I'm gonna take out somebody among family or within a community I'm a part of maybe you think that's okay like if I'm going to go against somebody else that's in my community you've chosen to live the life

of being a made man or a capo and you cross us we got to do something about it where they live you know I had the case up in Massachusetts representing Vinnie Ferrara mm-hmm they caught the prosecutor in order to Prejudice the public against him at a speech in front of other prosecutors refer to him as the animal Vinnie the enemy he said they would never call him that it wasn't to his face yes and his sister was a nun they never called her a penguin this guy loved his little doggie and when the judge

had Vinnie in front of him and listened to the wiretap that Vinnie did not know he was being recorded on he said these people have their own code I don't agree with their Code but they follow their own code and he says you know there's something decent about a lot of them when you get to know them you don't look at what the other side says they are let me ask you a question if they're so decent would you support the fact to bring more wise men and mobsters back so we can have more you

know of their culture come back is that also what you're saying I'm not saying that I'm not saying that they're decent in the way they treat People who are not part of their culture who have crossed this oh it was a Tony good for society from my perspective it was a very nice fella now from the authorities perspective he killed 27 people and they said to me how can I represent a guy like Tony's mulatto who killed 27 people how can you represent a guy when you know he's guilty how can you do that I

said wait a second you're the cop how could you not put him In jail if he killed 27 people he's walking around never spent a day in jail so who's wrong me or you sorry I get excited I mean look at you you you're a professional for what you're doing and by the way his life Tony's life was played by Joe Pesci as I think Nicky Santoro or something like that in Cassini yeah I forget hothead but he had charm and you're saying it was he did a heck of a job when I played myself

in the movie and when I went out To the Wardrobe set the first day it was like deja la Yogi Bear would say yeah it's like Jay deja vu all over again I see it this little fella with a crooked arm holding your valise Tony and Tony he was dead if good it was Pesci he looked just like him he looked just like him when you got shot the movie did they ever come over like I know you said well they come on but pressure came over as well like you okay do I have the

all came to play okay Demise that experience I thought is the greatest of De Niro's very quiet fella Pesci very noisy fell in with the cigars dunk got my whole home shower in stone came over and it was great Lane Wynn was there she's a multi-billionaire and Sharon Stone's not doing bad and Carolyn Goodman's all right and it was great seeing the three ladies doing the dishes together that was pretty cool Scorsese was there Pileggi was there Stacy was yeah they Were all there and we had a wonderful time we really did was it it

was a great dinner and the Carolyn made a great meal and everybody enjoyed themselves let me ask you is it true that when Mike Tyson bit Evander Holyfield's ear up part of his ear of you represented him did you did yes and is it it was the referee of that match also the judge or was it and it was in not the jaw he was so this the referee of that match was also the judge in court Yeah Mills Lane not not no no I appeared on behalf of Tyson before the Nevada Athletic Commission and

I was brilliant in the sense that the evidence was pretty clear that the year was off okay you know one could argue that but everybody was saying well take a year suspension that's the best you're gonna be able to do because they've already grabbed the purse three million dollars so one of the fellas on the commission who was a good friend of Mine and I'm not gonna say he wasn't calls me in the back room and he said Oscar you may not want to do this suspension thing you may want us to revoke him I

said well revoke revocations much more serious in a suspension he says no we have to revocation you could come back and reapply after a year whereas on a suspension you had to do the whole time so I'm thinking to myself you know Tyson brought in so much money to this Community just being on the billboard saying he's gonna fight brought people in from all over the world to watch him fight it was a real event I said looking at this economically I don't think that they would not I think they would give him his license

back so we took the revocation and he got his license back the first day that the year went by and it was a brilliant move not me I mean I just followed the lead there but it's nice to have friends in high places too I was hired by Don King you know it's funny when I was a baby lawyer my first time I represented King was when Roberto Duran you know the No Mas Sansa stone yep No Mas he was tried against Obama - hey Zeus and the IRS had come in and they were putting

a block on the fight over some tax lien and Don came to me the night of the fight I was able to get the fight on and from that point on just about every year the first fee I counted on was Gonna be a dime key referral Wow yeah every year I got myself a nice chunk as a result of having done the good you know fan of DOC Cain I like Don King yeah I'm using you know so he paid his debt okay so a couple names yeah I'm just curious to know you know

one of the things Dean shunned all said this is this is a Jenelle yeah this is a very interesting story okay so he's a boxer he's rodeo guys he's Luke Allen - the actor actor handsome yeah he's a Rodeo guy he used to carry a bag between here in st. Louis whatever that means and tough guy but a nice guy well he gets some my opinion set him up the law I went into his he had a beautiful ranch out here where he used to rope cattle and the local sheriff was his best friend and

my kids used to go out there on the weekend and ride little ponies and three wheelers and the like so he calls me up one day he's arrested what for Possession of an unregistered silencer I said Dean I said that's uh that's sort of a done deal if they find it in your home unless you have a reason that I'm framed but no one's gonna believe the frame I didn't have the silence here but no one's gonna believe that so we go into the courtroom they read the indictment possession of an unregistered silencer and we

had a visiting judge from Los Angeles federal court and he says mr. Goodman may I see you at my Chambers and the prosecutor says yes we know he says I want to see mr. Goodman which is you know you're not supposed to go and meet with the judge they called ex parte without the other side there but this judge asked for me to come back he says what are you doing he says you have a reputation as a good lawyer why are you wasting my time I said Your Honor I got a defense he says

you have a defense for this I said yes I said mr. Shindell is an avid hunter he loves to Hunt ducks but he's a terrible shot so we had the silencer in case he missed the first shot and didn't want to scare the ducks away judge says you're kidding I'm gonna give him probation right now so I went out there said Dean you got probation I don't want probation I went back I said Your Honor I said I couldn't dismiss the case right now if this was the case done deal Thunder silence here he goes

hunted Great defense that's called creative it's called making up a creative story Wow Wow and it worked it was effective it working by the way this is what he said about you once he said Oscar is a stand-up guy he wouldn't give you up you can fry him in an electric chair and he still wouldn't give you up he's a man's man I consider myself a tough guy I'll stand up against any man but I'm not half the man Oscar is he's got brain guts and heart and another man called You he said the Oscar

is known for being a strategist and he said you you have your own code you live by and no one can break that code what is that code you live code I mean you even told the guy is a trick bacon that the FBI guy you told me said I have a code I live by so what are some of the elements of your own code honesty time integrity your word is your bond you're loyal and you never cross the line when I ran for mayor everybody Said you know he's the mobs lawyer one of

my opponents had a little I have bad temper sometimes and we never see no one of my opponents had a little TV ad with little cartoons of guys with masks on and carried little bags of money with a dollar sign on it and hypodermic needles and my wife said you may not watch TV I said what do mean that way can't watch TV she says you may not watch TV until this election is over I said what are you talking about She says you will have this guy whacked if you ever see this ad well

they were whack able ads but I had a veteran I brought pot prosecutors FBI agents that had come into contact with who were on the other side and they all said you know we don't like Oscar but he never crossed the line I can't do better than that why I said they came to your defense that's pretty interesting it is but now strategy-wise just just out of curiosity You're you got to be mentally tough emotionally tough guy to be in a city like this to deal with it well let me tell you a very interesting

Jack Binion that's a very important name to our community his father Benny Binion Benny came out with the reputation as being a murderer in Texas and kind of made his stake here and opened up the Horseshoe Hotel here very very popular that's where all the poker events were taking place and he had a family in one of his Sons Jack pinion sort of took over the Empire Jack is a very quiet guy very smart guy very decent guy and the two of us we're talking one day were on the roof of the horseshoe looking over

Las Vegas it was his domain of my domain and he said you know if you're not strong this place will eat you alive and I listened to him it's very very true I'm a degenerate gambler but I don't gamble more than I could afford I never would My family be affected by it I'm a I'm a drunk but not that it affected my ability to be a halfway decent lawyer and a halfway decent family man but you have to know what your limitations are and if you violate those limitations you're going to get in a

lot of trouble especially in Las Vegas and that's actually what you said opening when you were running for mayor at the you said I've never been to the City Hall I drink I gamble and they love you for it it's Almost like you pulled off your like the M&M of politics oh you know what it was and my son who was in the Marine Corps today I made called and I said you know Ross they were gonna send a straw man in Police Protective Association doesn't want to see me the mayor they're gonna send somebody

in the debates you they're gonna talk about my drinking am i running around and my this and my that he says dad you have to do a preemptive strike I said what are you talking about Russ he said you don't know where to preemptive strike is I said no tell me he says you got to beat them to the punch so they sent up some guy and he says when's the last time you've been in City Hall mr. Goodman turns around starts walking off a Saturday wait a second buddy everybody in the audience is you

don't talk to a potential voter that way I said wait a second buddy you come back here and you look at me I'm gonna answer your question he slinked Back and looked up and I said well you asked me a question don't walk away and saying the answer to your question is I've never been in City Hall you have anything else you want to ask me and I looked at the audience and I said I don't want to hear any more questions that I'm gonna answer now without a question I'm a drunk okay don't call

me after 5:00 I'll talk to you you'll think I'm sober but I won't remember so don't call me after 5:00 and As far as gambling is concerned if I saw a cockroach here and it ran left I would bet on it going left or right so don't ask me about that anything else that was the end of the race is the campaign end of the race locally here you know the stories about Sinatra Dean Martin did you have any run-ins with them not run-ins I was friendly with Sammy Davis jr. mm-hmm I was involved when

I was a baby lawyer with some business negotiations on his behalf I was invited To it's a horrible thing to say to a birthday party for Sinatra's mom the night that her plane crashed and she was killed so that was a disaster well yeah a terrible terrible thing did you spend time with Sinatra like did you know he never made it he didn't make it to the party but we were all there waiting for him to be there I knew you know Jerry Lewis was my next-door neighbor around the street we were good friends Shecky

Greene Don Rickles I mean I mean or Moe Greene any any experience of Moe Greene or no no but Moe said way yes okay so I'm not as a local doctor here it's interesting by how the children are these supposed monsters that did very very well for themselves and became community leaders it's interesting yeah you said something in no.6 you said there was a game that came out of a shooting game rainbow I think was rainbow something uh where they kiss dispersions unless yeah I wanted to Borrow that - you wanted a bar that and

sure there's you feel when the shooting happened a couple years ago in Vegas did it make you think about your comments in O six or not at home now no in O six hours the mayor so you think of things one way when you're the mayor and this year on October the first my wife is a mayor and she got the phone call about twenty of eleven and didn't see her for three days after that she was in the hospital taking care of it Best she could assisting the first responders so no no I didn't

think of at that time I just I felt it was a terrible shame because I felt we're a community that's very safe and this was not a terrorist attack but could show you what one evil person he wasn't crazy this guy he was just he was evil yeah what what an evil guy could do it is a disaster like me wrong like me wrong guy give you a name first thing that comes to your mind okay anything that comes to Your mind first thing that comes to mind James call me Bombay Sapphire Raiders Las Vegas

tequila people who are in series drinkers people who are in series drinkers look at John Gotti a victim of Sammy the bull Gravano La Cosa Nostra I like to call it a lot kosher Nostra and think of pastrami Oh Bugsy somebody who's nuts really oh yeah Obama don't like him Hillary Clinton don't like her John McCain I knew John McCain I had a fight with John McCain too but I Respected him and I think it was a great American Giuliani no respect none zero I want to finish on a good note I was a good

let me give you a good note Joe Lewis boxer he was one of my favorite people witness in one of my cases back in New York there's no way in the world I could help my client until I brought Joe Lewis into the courtroom and the judge said mr. Kenan I said yes your honor here's the guy who didn't talk to me for the whole truck Mister come up here like I'm his best friend he says is that whether who I think it is I said that's Joe Lewis he says kinky get me his autograph

come on I said I sure can from that point on every denial was granted granted granted very cool well Oscar thank you so much for taking the time I know we were trying to set it up to get together it's good to do it at your restaurant I love Your you humor your knowledge your wit your energy your mental toughness the whole night this was just a fascinating conversation this way I'm a lucky fella I'm involved with the plaza the great restaurant here people come up here have a wonderful time great buzz and I participated

in the buzz so I'm the happiest guy who ever loved a final Wars mob story when Michael Franzese I know we're very good for Michael yourself as well right mob story it's going to be a Noble experiment it's in the downtown area it's a artistic piece with the Jeff Kitaj who had the splash show running for years out of the Riviera but I understand the music's great the Dancing's great Michael Franzese is in it they say he's riveting as far as his presentation is concerned so I'm really looking forward to seeing it and tonight hear

reason we have to wind up is we're Gonna have concierge is from all the community here and then we're gonna have the media here later on the week and everybody's gonna love mob story well I'm gonna go to tonight by the way if you haven't if you're ever in Vegas click on the link below to find out more information about the mob story and aside from that any questions thoughts comments about today's interview comment below if you haven't subscribed do so as well ask her again thank you so much for Thank you Patrick appreciate you

you're a not only are you a bright guy but ya got that beautiful twinkle in your eye it's great I appreciate that true thank you right thank you very much