yes hi what's your name um I'll just I'll just say my name is MAV um say what MAV and yeah go ahead okay so my question for you is if God said that there is going to be male and female and then there's some variety in within that called interex people why do you guys insist on this binary definition of sex when clearly biology is not so binary there are inex people and you'll say oh it's just 1% of people etc etc and then also let's extend that to samex relationships so you have someone who's
born heterosexual bisexual or homosexual so why is there this thing where God would say that's fine that's fine but that's not fine and he creates them knowingly like that and then you in the past the church has said these people are mentally ill they deserve to be you know put in institutions penalized etc etc I mean I could go on and on about that but my question is why do you say that if I'm going to be a Christian again that I need to repent from being lgbtqi plus and then accept this narrow version of
The Gospel that to me is like conversion therapy and the UN and all these other medical um major medical organizations in the US and around the world have called that torture so for you to stand here and to offend that that's pretty messed up what is your response to that well M let me ask you a question what is your standard of morality I I'm myself I'm a secular uh humanist I think that everybody is innately good um what do you mean by good well obviously murder is wrong why because if I went and murdered
someone's kid then that mother or father would not have a child and they would be in mourning and that caused them some great psychological turmoil for the rest of their lives and Trauma they're going to have to work through in therapy so objectively we can see psychologically they're not going to be doing too hot so of course okay that's objectively wrong why is it objectively wrong to harm people because if we are going to come together as a society and cooperate as a human race we need to have some sort of like moral standard to
bind us together regardless if there's a God or not but whose moral standard I mean Hitler had a pretty tight moral standard within Germany why was he wrong well obviously he was wrong on many Rebels I mean the fact that he murdered a millions of people but by what standard why is it wrong to murder people well I'm just going to say within my own experience if I witness the murder of someone which I gratefully have not I would be you know obviously like there would be a sinking feeling inside of me like wow I
just lost witnessed the loss of someone's life that's a terrible thing to see like if someone got ran over by a car and it was so quick and you just didn't see it coming like of course that would screw someone up for life so to me it's like you don't have to attribute it to whether there's a God or not like psychologically the way that my brain is going to see that is like wow I just saw harm conflicted onto another or inflicted onto another yes you're you're you're you're describing how you know something's wrong
the question psychological feeling reaction the question is why is it wrong if there's no God so wait can you repeat that last thing yeah you're explaining one of the ways you might know that something's wrong the question is why is it wrong if there's no God well I just think that as a society we wouldn't be able to just say like oh we should allow murder we should allow this and stuff to happen because obviously slavery was wrong we abolish that obviously okay okay you're you're you're bringing up all sorts of moral wrongs but what
I'm saying is that that was what we need to cooperate as a human race regardless of whether there's a God or not because Evolution has in um incentivized cooperation if I share my fruit with my person they're going to survive if I take care of the elderly person in my clan they're going to survive if I take care of the children in my Village they're going to survive the human race will survive and reproduce and therefore everyone else is benefited from it m evolution is survival of the fittest that's not true there's a lot more
to it than you're string Evolution you're just so wrong about this stuff I'm sorry where am I wrong about Evolution being the survival of the fittest you probably read uh that guy who funded the ark encounter maybe you you or whatever in Kentucky you probably read his straw man version of evolution and I really don't think that you really talk to biologists and you really know what's going on because there's a whole lot of stuff that a lot of you guys not even take as like what it actually says hold on hold on okay got
a lot of people behind here I'm asking you simple questions you come up asking a moral question I'm asking for a moral standard you haven't given me a moral standard objective morality that is a moral standard where does the objective morality come if there is no God I'm not the source of OB from within our wiring from collaborating with other people there are negative consequences to murder obviously negative is a moral term you're you're importing a moral standard into your atheistic system and you're steal it from a theistic world viw that's not true well I'm
sorry you don't get Mor standards besides Christianity there's Buddhism there's shm there's all these different moral codes from all over the world that I've read about that I've imported so true M I'm gonna have to ask you to move away from the microphone unless you give me a chance to respond okay fair enough okay so there is no objective moral standard un unless some kind of God exists everything is just a matter of human opinion and so when you hold up a sign that says that certain people have treated lgbtq people wrongly they have and
there's so much evidence for it Ma MAF you might be exactly right about that but you I know I am I have experiences and data to back it up okay well I'm sorry that people have treated you poorly but there you don't have to go on and spread these bigoted viewpoints on YouTube and Facebook like you do it's just a bunch of misinformation you have no idea blood on your hands okay M do you do you want to have a conversation or you just want no I really just would like you to just apologize and
turn around and see that what you're doing is harmful MAV there's only harm if God exists harm is only evil if God exists and so you're regardless of God exists or not thank you MAV you're not interested thank you for coming hey MAV if I gave you a book would you read it is it on Audible I have severe ADHD I don't have an audible with me but is it on any type of like written like I'll tell you what if you go back Texas speech if you go back there and you give uh Evan
at the table your email address I will email you personally okay all right thank [Applause] you and and uh by the way uh before we go to the next question now that I have a chance to speak here I appreciate people coming here have a different point of view but it's got to be a dialogue it can't be a monologue and I think that yes people who identify as lgbtq have been treated poorly but I also think now that Christians are being treated poorly and both of them are wrong we ought to respect people even
if we disagree with them but that's a moral category and respect only makes sense as a moral category if there's a moral standard Beyond us otherwise everything's just a matter of opinion if somebody says gay is good that's a matter of opinion if somebody says gay is bad that's a matter of opinion you have to have a standard my question to anybody who disagrees is what is your moral standard if there is no God there's no rights to anything there's no Christian rights there's no gay rights there's no transgender rights there's no human rights it's
just one person's opinion against another and when we say we're atheists and we start bringing moral categories into the conversation I'm going to ask what's the standard you're using it turns out the standard stolen from God himself and that's what I cover in the book stealing from God why atheists need God to make their case we might agree with a lot of stuff MAV said that people have been treated immorally but unless you have a moral standard outside of yourself that we're all obligated to obey it wasn't really immoral you see the point
