Please be seated. -Hello, Your Honor. -Hello.
This is a case of Gelntser v. Ramey. Thank you, Jerome.
Good day, everyone. -[audience] Good day! -Mr.
Gelntser. . .
You have opened your case today because you say your life has been in turmoil since the moment you learned you were pregnant with twins. You are convinced your husband fathered your eight-month-old son, Richard, but you also believe your boyfriend, Mr Stacy, fathered your son's twin sister Raelynn. -[audience exclaiming] -Is that correct?
Yes, Your Honor. Mr Ramey. You state there is no way you fathered either one of your wife's twins and intend to prove that today.
-Is that correct? -Yes, Your Honor. [Judge Lake] Mr Stacy.
You believe you fathered both twins. Yes, Your Honor. -[Judge Lake] Is that correct?
-Yes, Your Honor. [Judge Lake] All right. Mr.
Gelntser, please tell the court how your life has been in turmoil. For the fact of the matter that I'm still married to John. That I'm in a relationship with Scotty.
And just everything has been upside down not knowing who, with the twins. And now you believe your fraternal twins have two different fathers. [Gelntser] That they possibly could have two different fathers.
-[audience gasping] -[Judge Lake] Wow. [Judge Lake] Mr Ramey. Yes, Your Honor.
You don't believe you fathered either one of your wife's children. No, I do not, with these twins. They don't resemble my two biological children that I have with Mr.
Gelntser. [Judge Lake] Okay. How did we get into this confusion with conception.
December 15th, John, Keisha, Scotty and I was at the house. And Scotty and John were working on the bathroom to get it fixed up. So, your boyfriend and your husband were working on the bathroom.
Yes, Your Honor. [audience laughing] Okay. And after they had gotten the floor put down, Scotty went into our room, was playing his games in our room.
Keisha was in the livin' room, watchin' TV, I guess. And John said, "Come look at the bathroom. " He said we gotta talk about the kids, closed the door and then one thing led to another, and we had sex.
[audience exclaiming] Do you remember that day, Mr Ramey? I remember the day, Your Honor. I don't really remember it exactly as she told the story, but.
. . Me and Samantha were married-- [Judge Lake] But do you remember having sex with your wife in the bathroom?
[Ramey] Yes, Your Honor. With her boyfriend in the bedroom playing video games. I don't know what he was doing, Your Honor.
I just know what her and I were doing. [audience laughing] So, Mr. Gelntser, how did Mr Stacy, your boyfriend, find out that you had sex with your husband?
I guess he had to use the bathroom or whatever, 'cause he went up to the bathroom and he had heard me and John together. And he said, "I can't do this," and he walked out. And when he walked out, we got finished.
He left with Keisha. So, wait a minute. You got finished.
You finished the act? Yes, Your Honor. [audience exclaiming] -[Gelntser] I was addicted to John.
-Mr Stacy. So you knock on the door, you there layin' floor and Mr Ramey's layin' something else. [audience laughing] [audience applauding] [Stacy] Mmm-hmm.
So, you knock on the door, what happens? Tell me what you remember. I knocked on the door, I heard 'em, I said I was done and I walked out.
Started walking down the road. Did you know they were having sex? -What did you hear?
-Yes. You could hear 'em. [audience laughing] -So you knew immediately.
-Yes. And you just said, "I'm done," and you left. Yes.
And then, Mr. Gelntser, when do you reconnect with Mr Stacy? After John and Keisha had left the house that night, we went and picked him up from walking up the road, and brought him back to the house.
I told him I was sorry and asked him to stay. And then how soon after that do you start having sex with Mr Stacy again? It was that night.
[audience exclaiming] Oh, right after you have sex with your husband, you have sex with your boyfriend? Not right after. I mean, it was that evening that it happened.
[audience laughing] -So-- -But Scotty had left the next day, said he was going to his mom's, that he thought about it, he couldn't do it and then I went and picked John up and brought him back to the house. -[Judge Lake] And had sex with him? -Yes, Your Honor.
[audience exclaiming] So within the span of 24 hours, you've had sex with your husband twice and your boyfriend once? Yes. Wow.
[Gelntser] He understands my relationship with John. When I first got with Scotty, my thing was, John and the boys come first over anything. John has been my rock.
And he will always be my rock. And I just thought that that's how I would get him back. At that time, I did love Scotty, but I was in love with this man.
-Okay, so right now, you're just being honest. -I am. The truth is, you're in love with your husband, but in the meantime, since he was with somebody else, you started dating Mr Stacy because he's nice and.
. . He's wonderful.
I mean, he's been there since day one even after he knew what happened. So take me to the day you find out you're pregnant, Mr. Gelntser.
Oh, my goodness. When you find out you're pregnant, what happened? What happened that day?
Scotty was the first one to find out that I was pregnant other than my aunt and my uncle. I did not tell nobody else until I told John when he called. And I said, "John, I'm pregnant.
" And he said, "What do you want me to do about it? " And I said, "Well, you do know -that there is a possibility that they're yours? " -I didn't say that.
And he said, "There's no way. " And I said, "Yeah, John. We slept together on the 15th and 16th.
" I said, "They can be yours. " If you want more episodes of Paternity Court Make sure to subscribe and click on the notification bell. So how did you get a conception date from the doctor?
It was September 17th that was the final due date. And from that, you calculated or they calculated a window of conception. Yes.
And when they gave me the due date, they also gave me a paper stating that Baby A, which was Richard, was five weeks and two days and Raelynn was five weeks and four days. [Judge Lake] Ah. And that was how many weeks, days, after you had slept with both of them?
I was five and a half weeks pregnant. So, the timeline pointed directly back to both men because, you've been honest, you were intimate with both men on the same day. [Gelntser] Yes, ma'am.
Yes, Your Honor. [Judge Lake] In the same 24-hour period. Yes, Your Honor.
So, who was with you when you gave birth? Scotty was there. And you're there when the babies are born.
[Stacy] Yes. Do you sign the birth certificate? No.
Nobody's on the birth certificate. [Judge Lake] Well, you couldn't because she's legally married to Mr Ramey. -[Gelntser] Correct.
-[Stacy] Correct. [Judge Lake] All right. I'm sorry that I've put you guys through this.
I really am. [Judge Lake] Well, they put themselves through it, too. [audience laughing and applauding] [Ramey] Right.
Once he was put on notice that you were back with your husband, he was leaving. But he came back. Yeah, but, you know, to be honest, I've been with these men together, okay?
I mean, I'm not gonna be thrown under the bus with this. I'd forgot about that. Yes.
. . [Gelntser] I mean, I was with them together and I just want answers for my children.
Because they deserve to know and John and Scotty deserve to know. So, I need to be clear. Did you state that you had a threesome with your husband and your boyfriend?
[Gelntser] Yes, I did. [audience exclaiming] And Scotty did it because he loved me and I did it because I loved John. [audience exclaiming] What in God's name?
[audience laughing] And so, now, you could have twins with two different fathers. How does that feel? It's heartbreaking that my children are gonna have to pay for my mistakes.
It's not fair to him and it's not fair to Scotty and it's definitely not fair to the twins because they didn't ask for their mother to lay on her back. You opened this case because you believe your husband is the father of one twin and your boyfriend is the father of the other. [Gelntser] Yes.
Please explain why you believe your husband is Richard's father. Richard has the same birthmark that my son Jonathan had. Richard looked like Jonathan when he was a baby, which Jonathan looks like John when he was baby.
So, in turn, Richard looks like John when he was a baby. [Ramey] No, he don't. [Judge Lake] So, Mr Ramey, I want to ask you.
Do you see the resemblance? Do you believe you could possibly be Richard's biological father? Possibly, yes, but I do not think that I am.
I just don't see the resemblance of myself in the babies when I see them. I really don't. And this is you holding both twins.
[Ramey] Yes, at their home. At their house? [Ramey] Yes, Your Honor.
[audience exclaiming] So, Mr Stacy, you believe these are your twins. Yes, Your Honor. -[Judge Lake] Both of 'em?
-Both of 'em. And how do you feel when you see Mr Ramey holding the twins? It does bother me a little bit.
I'm surprised you even let him come up in your house anymore after the bathroom incident. [Gelntser laughing] I'm just saying. [all laughing] Can you tell the court why you believe Raelynn is Mr Stacy's?
Her mannerisms. She's very quiet. Laid-back.
You know, you don't mess with her, she don't mess with you. Same as Scotty is. And she just favors Scotty.
The shape of her head. She looks like Scotty to me. [Judge Lake] And so, as you've held your twins, taken care of them, they're eight months old, you look in their faces and you literally see two different men as their fathers.
I do. [Judge Lake] I feel your energy and it's like you are so conflicted. If it was a perfect world and you could wave your magic wand and choose the life and the partner you wanted, who would you be with?
I'd be with John. [audience exclaiming] I mean, you said, "In a perfect world. " In a perfect world, we wouldn't be here.
In a perfect world, we wouldn't have been separated. Do you think your relationship with your new girlfriend can survive if one or both of the twins are yours? I really don't know, but that's not my main concern.
-It's about the babies. -[Judge Lake] Yeah. -You know?
-[Judge Lake] Yes. I mean, hopefully it does. I mean, 'cause I love her very much.
But at the same time, they're innocent, and if I am their dad, I've gotta be there and handle that. See, when he said, "I love her very much," you closed your eyes and just nodded your head like you didn't want to hear that. I don't like the girl.
I mean, I like her as a person, but I don't like her that she's my husband's girlfriend. You know, we were friends at one point. [Judge Lake] Ma'am, I'd like to hear from you.
Please stand. Step over to the podium. And state your name for the court.
Keisha Adkins. Ms. Adkins, you are Mr Ramey's current girlfriend.
Yes, Your Honor. Do you believe your boyfriend is the father of one or both of these twins? No.
100%, no, I do not believe that these kids are his. You weren't in there when that happened, Keisha. I mean, how are you gonna say, "No, it's not"?
Because they do not resemble, Sammy. They do not resemble my John at all. -[scoffs] -Neither one of 'em do.
[Gelntser] He does resemble John because he looks just like Jonathan. -[Adkins] No, he doesn't. -[Gelntser] Okay.
[Gelntser] You have your opinion, I have mine. Exactly. Ms.
Adkins, do you believe Mr Stacy is the father of one or both of the twins? No, I do not. [audience exclaiming] -[Judge Lake] Oh!
-Really? [Adkins] Yes, really. So you're saying you don't believe either man's the father.
[Adkins] No. [audience exclaiming] [Judge Lake] Well, "I declare," as my grandmother would say. [audience laughing] [Judge Lake] Ma'am, thank you for your testimony.
You may be seated. All right, well. .
. That was an earful. [audience murmurs in agreement] The only way we are going to figure our way out of this is to get the results.
We need the truth. Jerome, may I have the envelope, please? [Jerome] Yes, Your Honor.
I love you both, and I'm sorry regardless of what this stuff says. No matter what it says, Sammy, you know, just 'cause we're not together, you know I'm always gonna love you. You're the mom of my kids, and I'll always be here.
But the main thing is, at least we'll know for the babies. [audience applauding] [Judge Lake] All right. This result is for Raelynn.
And just to be clear, you believe Mr Stacy, your boyfriend, is Raelynn's biological father. Yes. Because fraternal twins could have different biological fathers, we performed individual paternity tests on Richard and Raelynn.
In the case of Gelntser v. Ramey, when it comes to eight-month-old Raelynn Ramey, it has been determined by this Court the biological father is. .
. Mr. .
Stacy. [audience applauding] The next result is for Richard. And in this case, Ms.
Gelntser, you believe Mr Ramey, your husband, is Richard's biological father. These are the results. [exhaling] In the case of Gelntser v.
Ramey, when it comes to eight-month-old Richard Ramey, it has been determined by this Court, the biological father is. . .
Mr. . Stacy.
[audience applauding] Now, tell me I was sleeping with somebody else, Keisha. I'm happy for the children that they know who their biological father is. But I am concerned.
Because when I read those results, Mr. Gelntser, you wanted those babies to be your husband's. [audience murmuring] I know what I know what I know.
It's about the animosity you have towards her because she's got your man. [audience exclaiming] [Judge Lake] Let's just call it the way I see it. Sometimes we just have to call a spade a spade.
No, now me and Scotty can go on with our lives. No, but you're not on with your life. -This was-- -'Cause let me tell you something.
If a man looks at me, and somebody says "if you can wave a magic wand, and tell me who you'd be with," and he names another woman's name, we got a problem. [audience applauding] Nobody wants to live their life knowing they're somebody's runner-up. I want you all to go talk to Dr Jeff and work through it.
I'm glad we've got the truth for the babies. But I do want you all to be honest about where you're at with this. If you don't ever tell the truth, you're never going to be able to work through it.
I wish you all the very best. Court is adjourned.
