Dr Joe Dispenza on Using The Power of Your Mind To Heal

If your thoughts can make you sick is it possible that your thoughts can make you well neurochemically you're conditioning the mind and body to begin to work as one and when the body now knows how to do it better than the mind now it's implicit it's innate it's automatic it's easy it's familiar we become that knowledge and if a person's able to do that reinvent the new way of thinking a new way of Behaving a new way of feeling Will it be reflected in their biology emotions are just a chemical record of the past right

what does that mean a chemical record of the past cuz I have emotions in the present moment what takes place from coherence is another phase called resonance so now the person is really relaxed in their heart and instead of stressed out unconscious somehow they tend to be way more conscious this is the signature of aha the signature of Insight Joe I've been looking forward to this conversation for a long time and we've got a mutual friend Peter Park yes and you know he he has trained the best of the best of the best physical training

and he's he's helped me in immense ways both physically but just as a friend um and so he when he recommended so he pulled me aside and he was like Mike do you know Jenza and I said no and he says what do you think of him and I said well I don't know enough but I've what I followed along is like really compelling and he says I think you guys got to meet I said I'd love to and so that's how this that's how this conversation started and you know uh what is your relationship

with Peter like well Peter's an anomaly first of all I mean he talk about a mindset of a champion uh I think he really has uh really some innate innate Talent around that and and then a really Strong developed skill set around it so um covid happened I was training in one gym they closed all the gyms and um Peter was a friend I knew I knew him well enough but never trained with him and and he I just said can I just use your gym you know when no one's there and so I got

to know him a little bit more intimately and um and then he asked me if I wanted to be trained by him and then I was like sure I train now with his 25-year-old son yeah so he also like Peter also shared with me the reason I think this is an interesting way to start our conversation is because mutual friend that we both care about and he represents something to both of us and so I was asking him like how do you know Joe and he says well let me let me tell you an give

you an example he says I'll say I'll mention something about one of my sons and then next thing I know I hear from my son that Joe calls him and you know he's Like hey how you doing what's going on tell me really what okay what is really happening for you whatever the the conversation is but you're in there in a way that you're caring about your friend's son which makes sense but but on top of all of the other things that you're doing he's Blown Away by it and so for somebody with that type

of mindset Peter Who The Listener doesn't know is incredibly intense incredibly skilled to your point earlier and then Has a way of building relationships where you're compelled to want to be your very best around him and it's a special art that he has and and a pretty cool science and so coming from him about how much you care how much you do and that um you have designed a life that is giving to others and you built a business along the way so I'm really interested in not only the science and the Art of your

science but also how You've designed your life I think both are fascinating to me but I would like to start with the science of it yeah and you opened up your book Supernatural with um maybe I'll insert the quote you know in full because I don't have it memorized here but you opened it up with like this idea that I need to share I need to tell what I've been doing or what I've seen or what I've experienced even at the risk of people thinking that I'm a wild one Dangerous a quack I'm On The

Fringe and um this likely is not going to be accepted you didn't use th any of those words but that was the risk that you decided to take um thank you for the question uh first of all I never planned on doing any of this to be really straight and really honest um I had my own personal L got run over by a truck and a triathlon broke six vertebrae in my spine typical surgery is Harrington Rod Surgery I was young I was in my 20s I was athletic I had a martial arts studio I

had a yoga studio I was training for you know um a lot of different races and I went from 100 miles an hour to face down and in trouble and um I couldn't imagine living my life on addictive medications with Harrington rods from the base of my neck to the base of my spine it was a full you know six six compression fractures is a lot so I had bone fragments on the cord and I had the neural Arch broken so I was in a lot of trouble so I figured my might as well see

if my mind can influence my body this was at age 20-some 24 yeah and it worked it it really worked for me and when that when when you go through that kind of initiation you can't go back to business as usual and it was a dark night of the soul for me during that time CU I couldn't get my mind to do what I wanted it to do cuz I think when you're faced with crisis like that we always focus on What we don't want to have happen instead of what we do want to have

happen so turning that Battleship around for me as a 24-year-old kid uh was an enormous effort because I couldn't keep my mind on the task um so when I finally was able to get back on my feet and return back to my life uh uh uh I decided from that point that it would be good to study other people that May have had a spontaneous remission from disease were had were treating conventionally or unconventionally they were staying the same and getting worse and all a sudden they were getting better so I traveled around the world

I traveled to 17 different countries interviewed a lot of people at age 28 now uh I was probably 20 let's see I was probably 29 yeah okay so two things you said it worked yeah so I do want to understand what worked and how it worked So I know we'll unfold that as we go but in a short hand for The Listener who's unfamiliar with this part of your journey yeah so I wanted to see if my mind could influence my body and I decided two things I thought God there's an innate intelligence within us

that that's giving us life it's keeping our heart beating digesting our food all the way down to the cellular level organizing trillions of functions in a Cell every second you know correcting For mutations and the DNA so I had a respect for that innate intelligence uh and I thought well it can heal to a certain point and it does and it does it is healing it's trying it's very best yeah with six compression fractures I thought um this has got to be next level now you know this has got to be next level this is

this so I had to weigh what I knew against what I didn't know well and and so for me I thought God if I could Make contact with this intelligence and give it a plan give it a directive give it some orders give it a template and if I could do it really well once I've had that that Vision my in my mind super clear I know that I can't heal it I'm going to surrender that that that Vision to a greater mind and see if it could begin to to to work with me so

you s you sound like a a Mystic you sound like a a spiritualist at this point somebody who is a devotee to a religion that says I'm Going to turn over my injury to God I'm going to turn over my life experiences to God yeah I think that's a simplistic version uh because I I what I want to do is I wanted to uh influence it uh and and see if I could take it to the next level because I knew that uh well you know the compression fractures could heal but I would lose bone

height I still have fragments on my I had motor function Pro problems I had sensory function problems I had an enormous Amount of pain so this was kind of next level for me and I think anytime you go against convention whether it's social convention scientific convention religious convention anytime you go against the current belief systems you're always considered fool hearty or insane right I mean you're nuts my the four opinions I had from four surgeons they all thought I hit my head like they were like what are you you know what are you thinking here

yeah so but if you Pull it off because did you but you did have surgery no no I never had the surgery oh you you buried the lead there you didn't have surgery you didn't no I decided not to I went against I went against that's where that's where the the Medical Institution would say what what are you doing yeah they were very upset with me 1986 you didn't do that like I was living in San Diego you just didn't do that and and I just figured god um if I have the Harrington Rod Surgery

I'm not going to be the same guy I won't be able to do I won't I won't be able to do anything like I I you know I was doing and so I was willing to trust in in that process I figured if it didn't work I'm going to wind up with surgery anyway so I might as well roll the dice and so number one was make contact with that intelligence I'm not going anywhere I'm not doing anything I'm laying face down and the second thing was I'm not going to let Any thought slip by

my awareness unnoticed by me so so Mystic mystical means unknown that's what the word means so I was willing to trust if this could work now little background I had I had studied hypnosis a lot I I saw the power the the subconscious mind I knew I saw you know amazing things and then I did have this kind of crazy moment where I was leaving for graduate school in my best friend's Father gave me a book uh autobiography of Yogi and I was reading this book and I was thought it was like God I if

that is actually the truth then I am I'm unaware of a lot yeah and I read that book and scrutinized it and threw it across the room and wrestled with it but I had kind of this kind of idea that that that I I I was willing to take that risk cuz I had the time I went from 100 miles an hour in my life to laying face down so I knew enough about the spine I Knew enough about the body and and uh first 6 and a half weeks was misery it was it was

really really a Dark Night of the Soul because I could not I I I was I was wrestling with my own belief uh and my own self-doubt and my inability to be able to control my mind when you're at of balance so the first 6 and A2 weeks it took me three hour hours to go through that inward process and when I was done I wasn't satisfied but after that 6 and 1 12 weeks what took me 3 hours three and a half sometimes four hours to do cu the moment I started thinking my should

I sell my practice should I sell my home uh I'm going to be living in a wheelchair you know moment the moment I was my mind my mind left the present moment and I went off T I start all over again I'd start over so it was a very very deliberate but very very in uh difficult process because if you get Frustrated it's going to get worse so I had to like had to move through all this muck you know and and six and a half weeks all of a sudden something clicked it was like

I hit a golf ball right in The Sweet Spot I had a tennis ball just right something clicked for me uh and all of a sudden from that point forward it got easier and and what took me three and 1 half hours 3 hours to I was doing in much less time and I didn't know it at The time but I was really mastering the ability to pay attention and to be present because every time you you catch yourself defaulting and you're going unconscious the only way you become conscious is you catch yourself going unconscious

and you become conscious again that's the moment to celebrate right that's and most people say I can't do it and and I was doing that but really that's a victory because that's the only way that you're actually going To stop yourself from going unconscious I I was pruning connections and I was reiring rewiring new connections and I started developing kind of a new mind and and at that moment Michael I noticed like the dramatic reduction in my pain and I was getting sensory feeling back and motor motor and then my toes and I was just

like okay whatever you're doing is working so keep doing it and your belief at that point goes from Here to here right it just it just catapults because you're seeing the effect of you would cause right so for me uh I was back in my feet in 10 and a half weeks they wanted me put me in this huge body cast I was I was better you know I was done so I couldn't go back to business as usual because I was initiated I have a very scientific mind so I just kind of sold everything

and left and went to the Northwest and started over again and and I wanted to To take some time for myself and ask the big questions if that truly happened how did that happen and is there anybody else that is is anybody has that happened to anybody else so I had to start studying epigenetics and neuroplasticity and psychon neuroimmunology and electromagnetism quantum physics and just was this kind of exploration for me and and I started getting closer to the Understanding and then when I started interviewing people that had spontaneous remissions from diseases that were treating

conventionally or unconventionally staying the same and all of a sudden got better once I studied and found a commonalities amongst these people and it was really about the mind it was really about breaking the habit of being the themselves their old self and Reinventing a new self the other thing Was that they in their inward process of really deciding who they no longer wanted to be like if I really could live my life again and live again how would I live differently do I really want to be an attorney I hate my job I don't

want to be an attorney I want to be an artist right so you see these people make the transition by choice to stop being one person start being another person and in their inward process of thinking about how they do Want to think how they do want to act how they do want to feel in their new life they had long moments where they lost track of space and time their inward experience became more real than their ouward experience and and it caused me to spend a lot of time studying the frontal lobe which is

kind of the workshop of the brain that's where we focus where we have intention so we have attentions where we have free will we restrain our behaviors you know Judgement we event we speculate it's the creative center right and so so and then then that fourth thing was that there they believe there was an intelligence that was giving them life that that that they would trust and and surrender to so what does that mean let's just stay on that idea for a minute and intelligence because you've mentioned a few times like making contact with intelligence

well um whatever that Consciousness is that's Giving us life that's within us that's happening in kind of in I'll say it scientifically the autonomic nervous system the limic brain right is the seat of the of all of those biological functions that keeps us in homeostasis and balance right the neocortex the thinking brain is the analytical mind and a lot of times that's what kind of gets us in trouble right so they had a belief and independent of religion that there was some Intelligence that was giving them life that could help them in their healing process

now there was a spectrum involved in that but the similarity was that there was it was within them so the intelligence is within within so for somebody who might be a spiritualist or um follow Christian Doctrine God is within yes if that if that is the word a person would want to use yeah so there came a period of time where I was in a documentary and the documentary Became really popular and people started asking well how do you do it like and I think this is a time in history where it's not enough to

know I think it's a time in history to know how right so I thought okay I studied the all these things I went back to school and went studied neuroscience and just got really into it and and and then I was like okay if it works on these sick people uh let's see if we can reproduce an outcome and so for the First couple years we didn't really see much it was doing these one day courses and two-day courses and people were feeling better at the end of the weekend but no real big changes then

all of a sudden it just started happening we started seeing the most amazing changes in people's Health that that really challenged my belief and so when we started seeing people have remissions from very serious stage four Cancers and uh Parkinson's disease and Ms and and um ALS and uh spinal cord injuries and all kinds of crazy things that's that's when uh I knew it was time to measure and so we organized and a group of scientists and now I work with University of California San Diego and so when I started seeing the outcomes Michael and

there were unbelievable they literally unbelievable to me like I was shaking my head like I cannot believe what I'm seeing and I knew that when a person has an inward experience where They're in a a certain health condition and then after there we use meditation as and I we'll talk about that demystifying meditation in a way that allows a person to learn how to make an inward experience really really real and so I knew that when a person got up out of a wheelchair with Ms right right in front of me like something was happening

in there something was happening inside of them that like that was very profound And very real right and it was an experience right so we organized we we've we've got over 20,000 brain scans we have fmri scans we have we've measured thousands and thousands of HRV measurements we've measured gene expression we've measured um microbiome we've measured 2,882 metabolites in blood we've measured immune regulation we've we we we've measured tears we've measured breast milk we've measured everything You can possibly imagine and the idea is what happens when a person completely immerses themselves in a community that's

interested in change and transformation and that's what we teach we teach the process of change we use meditation not to heal use meditation to change when you change you heal right so so the science has been so compelling because you can't call it pseudo science anymore the data is so profound that it shows that as an Example uh the studies that we've done demonstrate that the human nervous system manufactures a pharmacy of chemicals that works sometimes better than any drug and it's within you right interlan you know all kinds of all kinds of amazing things

yeah and is it possible then to upregulate genes for health and downregulate the genes for disease and if you teach people in a very simple way the philosophy the theory the Information the knowledge and they can learn that information learning is making new Connections in the brain as you know but the research also shows that if you don't review it if you don't repeat it if you don't think about it over and over again those circuits pre apart within hours or days so we set up these large events with thousands of people from all over

the world and the information is so tantamount for them because it's what they're going to do With it they got to do something with it so when they learn the information then they have to teach it back to the person next to them they have to be able to explain it and if they can't explain it it's not wired in their brain so as remind themselves what they learned they're reproducing that same level of mind and nerve cells that fire together wire together and the more you understand what you're doing and the more you understand

why you're doing it The how gets easier because you can assign meaning to the task and when you assign meaning to the task you turn on that prefrontal cortex and it wants an outcome right so they're installing the neurological Hardware in their brain and preparation for the event so if you can set up the conditions in the environment and give people the proper instructions and they can get their behaviors to match their intentions their actions equal to their thoughts they get their Mind and body working together and initiate that knowledge they should have an experience

right and the experience then enriches the circuitry in the brain but the end product of the experience is called an emotion and when you feel unlimited or you feel grateful or you feel empowered now you're teaching your body chemically to understand what your mind is intellectually understood so the information is no longer in the brain now the information is in the in the Body right so the person's embodying the truth of that philosophy so this is kind of the journey what we do so then we're measuring we're measuring what's taking place inwardly now if you

can go for seven days and keep reproducing the experience neur neurologically and chemically neurochemically you're conditioning the mind and body to begin to work as one and when the body now knows how to do it better than the mind Now it's you know implicit it's innate it's automatic it's easy it's familiar we've become that knowledge right and so the person's in a different state of being so we have to go from philosopher to initiate to master you know from from knowledge to experience to wisdom from mind the body to soul from thinking to doing to

being learning with your head applying with your hands knowing it by heart and and we discovered that it's the overcoming Process that is the becoming process because 95% of Who We Are by the time we're in the middle of our life or set of memorized hardwired attitudes beliefs and perceptions you know automatic and unconscious habits and behaviors and reflexive emotional responses so it's that it's that unlearning process that 95% of being unconscious getting conscious and if person's able to do that if they if they're able to reconstruct and and reinvent a new way Of thinking

a new way of Behaving a new way of feeling will it be reflected in their biology and we've discovered that the majority of people that go through a weekl long event it's not like a small percentage there's a community effect that's taking place I think the reason people change is because of pain and I don't think it comes from inspiration I think it comes from a a position that I am sick and tired of being sick and tired and that's pulled right out of an AA you know pamphlet somewhere but when there's enough pain that

a person feels that they say it's got to be different I can do different that there's a better way can you help or can I go Inward and figure out a better way I don't think we do anything alone so I think that you're on to something really powerful about doing it together but this idea that people are in change are people change because of pain I don't know if you agree with it or not I do I do I think When we're brought to our lowest denominator whether it's crisis disease diagnosis loss betrayal it

doesn't matter you reach this lowest denominator where nothing is making that feeling go away no vacation no TV show no friend where that feeling is the alcohol the drugs the numbing nothing is making that feeling go away and this is I think this is a really important moment for people Because they don't feel like themselves no nothing in their environment in their outer world is making this feeling go away and this is where they start for the first time observing themselves that idea of metacognition they feel so so different than the way they normally feel

that they can view themselves Through The Eyes of someone else this is the moment where they can all of a sudden go oh my god look look at the way you've been Thinking you've been saying I can it's too hard I hate this person those thoughts have consequences you can say oh my God you've been complaining blaming you've been a victim you been you know you've been judging uh making excuses feeling sorry for yourself oh my God look at you like it's the it's the lighting the match in the dark place and then you can

say oh my God I I live the majority of my life in hatred and anger and fear oh my God that's not loving to Me but but no one is going to tell no one you're not going to listen to anybody when they tell you that you're going to bump them off right but this is kind of when the soul kind of kind of give you a little nudge like this is your moment right and so and you're doing this by helping them observe themselves but more specifically helping them observe the intimate thoughts that they're

having in said moment yeah so like or the emotional experience yeah so I'm curious uh we see that the brain changes the most when you get Beyond I can't I'm too tired I don't feel like it I want to quit this is too hard I'll never make it when you get Beyond like people who are curious what's on the other side of that thought they're stepping into the the unknown a person who says oh my God I want to be happy why am I spending the majority of my day complaining but complaining is not going

to make me happy it's going to make me Unhappy and then oh my God this emotion that I live by every day emotions are just a chemical record of the past right so if I'm living what does that mean a chemical record of the past because I have emotions in the present moment yeah you can all I'm saying is when a person's let's pick an emotion um frustration frustration frustration is a great one um a person uh feels frustration because of an experience that happens or has a series of Experiences that happen in their life

the stronger the emotion that we have to some experience in our life the more altered we are inside of us the the disruption in our chemical continuity causes the brain to freeze a frame and take a snapshot or a series of snapshots and that's called the long-term memory so that the memory is INB in the brain right and the chemical if this thing happens again something like this happens again yeah so if it happens A few times and then you then you review the event you keep remembering the event um you're producing the same chemistry

in the brain and body as if the event was occurring and the body is so objective it's the unconscious mind that it does not know the difference between the real life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that person's fabricating by memory alone to the body it's exactly the same so the body is reliving the trauma 50 to 100 times a day so it's a thought and a feeling it's an image and an emotion or a memory and emotion it's a stimulus and response and you're conditioning the body become the mind of that emotion

and so now the body the servant is now the master so the body has learned it and it's automatic and so you're you're sweeping your environment just to look for something to cause you to feel frustrated so the hormones of stress Become highly addictive and it's it's entirely possible that people use the problems and conditions in their life to reaffirm their addiction to frustration to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion so they don't know they're doing that consciously but they're becoming addicted to the life they don't even like I I have a quote here that

I I wrote down I wanted to play back to you and talk about it which you just said it people are emotionally addicted to a Life they don't want I'm Loosely paraphrasing but idea when you when I read that in your writings I thought it you're really on to something important and so I think what you're suggesting is that if the if the mind and brain not really separate but let's separate them for a moment uh the brain is the hardware and the mind is the software it breaks down quickly but if they're doing their

job they're trying to keep you alive they're sweeping the environment To your language scanning for all the reasons that a threat could disrupt or end their life and so I think what you're saying in this in this idea is that that's a very that alertness there's a there's a chemistry that is pretty addicting to that yeah it feels good it's a beta brain wave it's essential for survival and and you're saying we like that so much that we'll just keep scanning to find the Dangers to find the reasons that things could go wrong reasons I

could should be frustrated and then because of that I'm now exhausted I'm now poisoning my system yeah so so let's just talk about that a let's let's unpack that a little bit because I think I saw the corners of your eyes light up when I said that well because living in stress is living in survival right and stress is when your brain and body are knocked out of homeostasis the stress Response is what the body innately does to return itself back to order okay well all biological organisms can tolerate short-term stress zebra gets chased by

the line it outruns the line it goes back to grazing and eating and it goes back into balance right go so all organisms can do that you get cut off on the freeway you jam on the brakes ah you know and then you're over it right for most people but when you turn on the stress Response and you can't turn it off now you're headed for disease because no organism can live in emergency mode for that extended period of time now human beings because of the size of the frontal lobe we can turn on the

stress response just by thought alone that's the problem now now now that's the trick yes so so if you're forecasting some future worst case scenario based on the past and you're actually imagining that future Unfolding your body as as the objective mind begins to feel the emotion of that future before it happens and now you're conditioning your body to become the mind of anxiety the mind of fear right and and again thought and a feeling image emotion stimulus response the body is being conditioned into fear okay so so now you say to that person why

are you this way and they'll say I am this way because of these events that have happened to me 10 years ago what what They're really saying is I had an event that's changed me biologically and I have not been able to change since okay so if you can turn on the stress response just by thought alone and and those chemicals hormones of stress are addictive the arousal you can become addicted to your own thoughts and this is why it's hard to change well if the long-term effects of the the hormones of stress push the

genetic buttons and create disease that's a fact And you can turn on the stress response just by thought alone your thoughts can make you sick all right no now that's that's that's the ultimate Mind Body Connection so when you tell a person that and they go oh my God if my this you ask them if your thoughts can make you sick is it possible that your thoughts can make you well and so we did a study where we just took people and we said trade frustration trade impatience trade resentment for heart- centered Emotion let's hook

you up to an HRV and let's have you practice get really good at feeling appreciation gratitude kindness care let's get you in that state is it possible then that you can upregulate the proteins for your immune system and down regulate the secretion of cortisol and the amount of immunoglobulin a which is a really important you know natural flu shot for the body when up 50% in the participants so the body Actually believing it's living in an environment that's nurturing right and so it could be that it could be that immediate now this is a Lov

and kindness meditation or a heart centered Med Heart Center Meditation yeah to 15 minutes 15 minutes a day twice a day for or three times a day for three days that's it that's how fast it can happen now the caveat behind this is that uh just like breaking any addiction you're going to go through a lot of withdrawals because The body's going to be craving the chemical right so we've discovered again when the person is sitting in a meditation and they're coming up against their frustration they're coming up against their resentment they're coming up against

their impatience instead of saying I can't meditate I'm too busy I'm get on myself I have too many things to do nobody else in the herd or the flock or the Trib is do sitting right so the person we're not we're not asking them To White Knuckle it we're giving them something to do we're teaching them how to lower the volume to that emotion settle the body back down as the mind and and and teach them what to do with that so the act of doing that breaking that in the inhibition process breaking the stimulus

and response the body is craving 20 years or 10 years of frustration more stimulus more stimulus what it does it starts to send images to the brain like think of the time in your Life that you know and it's it's true trying to reproduce that chemical so this takes an enormous amount of energy an enormous amount of awareness to be able to free the body from the chains of the past and yet once you learn how to do it it's tedious in the beginning if the person truly can get Beyond its their addiction to that

emotion the absence of that emotional addiction is called Joy the body is no longer tormented so the side effect that's Interesting framing that the absence the side effect of that is there's a complete change in the body's physiology so would you say that that is your position that that is our default I think it's one of the major defaults Joy no no no I think the default to frustration is automatic right you just need to see a person or a circumstance of a thought and seamlessly you're feeling the emotion from your past and you're behaving

like you're in Your past and you're believing everything that goes along with your past what is the natural state of the human is it is it Joy or is there a natural state that you say no it's not it's not like there's a default to happiness or Joy or peace it's not that simple but we can we can cultivate specific actions and thought patterns to increase the amount of Joy I think the majority of time um uh people are on alert they're in high Beta brain wave States they're they're Vigilant they're ready you know they're

uh when we're living in stress and we're living in survival all of our attention is on on our environment that's where the danger is all of our attension is on our body because we're getting the rush of chemistry and adrenaline and all of our tension is on attention is on time how much time is we going to get make this go away right and so so when you I think when you break free from the state Of survival which pretty much is about 70% of the time for most people so is the world dangerous and

hostile or is it safe for you for me mhm um God it's like a fundamental decision make the world is either dangerous or safe yeah I for for the most part I feel like it's a safe place I think when you're living in survival I think you'll always perceive it as a dangerous place but I think the opposite side of that and this is kind Of what we've discovered um I think when you live in something other than survival you live in a state of creation and I think a state of creation is when energy

naturally moves into the heart and the heart is the creative Center when you're living in stress and you're living in survival your brain is completely incoherent because you're trying to control and predict everyone and everything in your life so stress is Created by by the loss of control uh the the perception that something's going to get worse or something that you can't predict right so the alarm system switches on so the next thing you start doing is you try to control and predict everything in your life well every person every object everything every place is

mapped neurologically in your brain you got a neurological Network for your wife for your husband for your kids for your dog for your where you live Where you where you work your phone you know so as we shift our attention to each one of these different elements like a lightning storm in the clouds in that aroused High beta State the different compartments of the brain begin to modulate and they begin to fire out of order if you measure that on the brain it's waves that are out of order and they they cancel each other out

and the brain is incoherent we're incoherent same thing happens in the heart you're Stepping on the gas and you're stepping on the brake you're on a zoom meeting someone's talking and you're thinking about oh my God I your your emotional response is is not the best but you're not running you're not fighting you're not hiding you're sitting there right so you're stepping on the gas in the break and the Heart starts beating very very much out of order because it's very incoherent same thing the energy in the heart goes down you can't trust it's not

A time to communicate you you know the story so we we've discovered that where you place your attention is where you place your energy we teach teach people then if you can place your attention on your heart slow your breathing down you slowing your brain waves down and teach them how to work with their body and convert from the sympathetic nervous system to the parasympathetic nervous system and get their body in that state It takes practice it takes a lot of work in the beginning you're you're working with the animal and the animal's Juiced up

and it's it's ready to go and you got to teach it that the the threat the danger is over and it's not very trusting in the beginning so slow your breathing down slow your brain waves down convert over put your attention on your heart and let's practice feeling some heart centered some elevated emotions if a person can sustain that State we'll see their heart get very coherent when it gets coherent energy builds and if they can sustain it something really beautiful happens it's almost like the heart informs the brain that the trauma is over and

it resets the Baseline for the past event where the emotion is attached to and we've seen this numerous times it tells the the the amydala it's over like the trauma's over and all of a sudden the the body re resets and the brain resets And the person all of a sudden like grabbing a big sheet and going like this they go right out of beta High beta and they go right in the alpha coherent Alpha and the hearts telling the brain get creative the other thing we discovered Mike is that when you're pressed like that

we tend to over Focus we tend to narrow our focus on the cause of the problem like any of us who have been under stress know that you know for the most part you're obsessing you're Ruminating you're overfocused uh on some and we discovered that when you do that you actually make your brain worse 100% of the time like as you're analyzing your life within that disturbing emotion that emotion is a record of the past and you're driving it into higher and higher beta right so we thought oh my God what if we do the

opposite what if we go from this kind of narrow focus on everything physical everything material everything known to Broadening and opening our focus and putting it on nothing in the act of sensing space we discovered when you're sensing you're not analyzing and you're not thinking in the the cortex is the analytical mind so as you're sensing space and you're no longer analyzing and thinking you're no longer activating those different neurological networks in the brain and all of a sudden your brain goes from beta to Alpha but not any kind of alpha Those different compartments of

the brain that have been modulated and compartmentalized they begin to unify they begin to synchronize and when sinks in the brain links in the brain right and that's a coherence so now the brain starts getting more orderly and you start feeling more like yourself so the breathing is a great way to get the body to convert uh from sympathetic to parasympathetic but the open and the broad focus and sensing nothing in space Is actually what allows us to get beyond our analytical mind and what separates our conscious mind from our subconscious mind is our analytical

mind now you're opening the door and getting into the operating system where you can actually rewrite a program and rehearse a new script right which is your beliefs is I think what you're suggesting where all the hardwired beliefs perceptions attitudes um behaviors all exist so um to be Uber tactical you're talking about An eyes open meditation where you are oh your periphery is engaged no your eyes are closed so you're doing it eyes closed and you're watching the light show behind your eyes you're not watching any you're you're focusing on absolutely nothing so the reason

I was going to that is because it was a tactic I was using with um cage fighters UFC fighters is that um as a Ying to their Yang we would do a meditation eyes open meditation which is actually really hard To do yeah eyes closed is we visual creature so it's when you close the eyes a couple things happen one your analytical judgmental CR critical mind can kick on pretty quickly or you fall asleep right and so what we're doing is eyes open and just having them like three qus of the way closed I should

say and just engage their periphery and as keeping it as wide non-judgmental as they possibly can but just noticing as as opposed to the narrow attentional um Hunting mode or survival mod of looking down the barrel of the gun or chasing something you know in the wild that narrow attention so we would go from broad to narrow broad to narrow and then stay broad as as much as we can yeah and it they that exercise they would report um uh quieting down their analytics because they're paying attention to space yeah yeah and we absolutely and

we can you can do it with your eyes open as well uh which I think is exponential Harder I thought that's what you were going but you're saying eyes closed so we do it both you do we do it both but for the sake of this conversation just by closing your eyes and focusing on nothing um uh you can slip past the analytical mind and when you're an alpha you know this you tend to see more in images and pictures you're more creative right and then you can train a person to actually know the different

brain wave States and my definition of theta is when your body is resting in a light sleep and you're awake and that's when the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open this is the most suggestible state of the brain it's a hypnotic state if a person can sit um and practice this we discovered that the formula is relaxed and awake relaxed the more relaxed you get in your heart the more energy goes to the brain Now this is where this is where like like I'm completely a rookie in this part

of the discussion which is how the heart and the Brain work together the heart and the mind I was really surprised I was I was I I was so surprised in seeing this because I was always a brain guy until I saw like like every time the heart gets coherent it influences the and how do we measure heart coherence um we we measure them with um All kinds of devices we use what's called a bodyguard some people wear them for2 for hours we're looking at them when they're sleeping we're looking at them when they're eating

we're looking at them when they're doing their meditations we're looking at them when we're signing a specific act during a meditation to see if they're actually doing it so we can say to them you're doing it or you're not doing it so it's measuring the electrical activity of Measuring the electrical activity is actually measuring the the the pulse you know it's not heart rate variability there is an element of heart rate variability to Heart coherence absolutely so there' be an increase in variability yes and there would be a what from an electrical standpoint I don't

know what the other measures would be so the the the sensors are picking up Electro Electro electromagnetic signals right the heart When it gets coherent produces a magnetic field and that mag magnetic field can be up to 3 meters wide it it is like a drum it gets very coherent and it produces magnetic field a very measurable magnetic field so it informs the brain to be creative and it causes uh kind of an frequency or energy is carrying information so there's an emission of energy that's released from the heart if a person can get re

relaxed in their heart and awake in the brain You can train a person to get really good at this it gets really crazy because what's takes place from coherence is another phase called resonance and resonance is when the brain is in Delta and at the same time in Theta and at the same time in Alpha and the same time in beta and high beta and all of a sudden you have this very Peak frequency called gamma and that's superconsciousness so now the person is Really relaxed in their heart and instead of stressed out unconscious and

programmed somehow they they tend to be way more conscious so this is the the signature of aha the signature of insight the signature maybe a flow State as well it's another arousal but the instead of the arousal being fear that's right instead of the arousal being pain instead of the arousal being aggression the arousal is kind of like what you said it's kind of like an ecstasy it's Kind of like a bliss like a person is like this feels so good I don't want to leave the moment like I want to stay right here and

what we want to do is get people to do that so well with their eyes closed that they can do it with their eyes open and that's why we do walking meditations and things like that and so that so you've got a 7-Day training and then for somebody who doesn't have the ability to get to a location whe I know you have one coming Up in La you know does can't get to California whatever um what what do you point them to to increase yeah so we have a little little uh like a little course

called the formula okay and it's like 30 minutes of content with five meditations 12 different sessions it's it's a great way to get the practice of heart coherence and brain coherence and then synchronize the two and the five meditations are step by step work on the heart work on The brain work on the heart and the brain and then take it to the next level um uh and then we have an online Progressive Workshop like the same course we'll be doing in LA in January you can watch it online and and you can get you

know good 12 14 hours of content and you'll get uh six meditations and four hours of meditations and you got a lot of tools to practice there and it's a requirement uh for for our community in fact I tell people do not come to a Weeklong event do not come to a weeklong event until you see the progressive Workshop so do do the online Progressive Workshop first they have to prepare because we got bodies to heal we got lives to change we got Futures to create I mean it was a very full week I mean

we're I just finished one just this past week and um yeah they're they're 6:00 in the morning till 7 in the 8 7 or 7:30 how many do you do I we do about one a month yeah so why did you want to go Down the research path um you could stay as a kind of a guru and have you know 12 of these a year 2,000 folks write some more books and just have the honest experience that you know you're on to and as soon as you're going down I want to measure it and

I'll tell you I'll before you answer the question one more Divergent it was 1995 and I had this radical injury it was two spines uh um two vertebrae one was an extrusion and one was an Intrusion so one popped in and one popped out the one that popped out they're pretty normal right those are but the one that popped in broke off so a spondo thesis no no it was a a a cervical intrusion so it was just the dis matter bulged inward not outward so it bulged inward and then it pinched and it broke

off so I've got this U disc matter floating around my spinal cord and pushing against my spinal cord which is a problem prolapse yeah yeah not not Pushing on the nerve but pushing on the entire bundle yeah and it was bad it was really bad and so two years where I my wife was like um she would had it with me because I I couldn't even lift my laundry basket and um you know she's like you you need to figure this out like we can't keep going this way and I didn't want surgery and then

the doc uh he was great he was you know good ortho spinal Ortho he's like look it's time we've Done everything uh I I cannot do anym here for you it's time for surgery and I said can you give me 30 days I was just wrapping up my master's degree or just somewhere in that range right towards the end of my masters and I thought to myself what am I doing I'm not doing any performance imagery I'm not using my mind in any way and there was this Fringe thing called healing imagery not really well

understood and they I I read a couple articles about it And I don't think there were scientific journals there was a couple articles about what is this thing called healing imagery and they were studying cancer patients do you remember this original research or writings about it and they asked them what did you do because there was you know control group in a in an experimental group and the experimental group um said I don't know I just the control group did nothing over the course of X number of weeks and the Experimental group said um well

you told me to do healing imagery and there was this theme that emerged that there was like Mickey Mouse hands or there was dump trucks or there was the hands of God and it was this white light and there was these themes that would no instructions were given to these folks to do healing other than do healing imagery X number minutes for X number of days and they had better results in cancer than than the control group and So I thought I need to do that and I couldn't see it disappear so I used that

that spiritual framing it it was Mickey Mouse hands but they like had the hands of God in there the energy of God if you will and I could not see my intrusion go away extr now I'm blinking on the am I getting the the diagnosis right intrusion I couldn't see it just disappear I couldn't see it go away so you can ask my wife 17 minutes every night for about 30 uh 30 days um I Would see like a wet clay I would see this matter of my disc be like wet clay and these Mickey

Mouse hands fueled with this spiritual you would call it this intelligent being or intelligence uh take layers off it like clay wet water on clay and just take more off and more off and more off and more off until I could believe that over time it was reducing to a place that was non-existent uh probably like 45 days later that I had a second MRI the doc Pops a screen up this is before there's still SC not on not not like the digital now it was a view box bang he puts it up and he

goes he was like I don't know what to tell you but um how you doing and I said um I'm okay like nothing nothing radically different it's still kind of a burning between my shoulder blades and he says um yeah it looks like I don't know the body sometimes just eats up these things and it looks like there's Just a little bit of calcium that's built up there but like it's it's gone so you know I I I don't know what I would go we could go in and do some surgery and poke around and

maybe clean some stuff out I said no thank you so um back fully functioning very soon after that I needed my mind to catch up with the image that I saw yeah but my mind also was the one that um allowed me to take these layers off every night and so I share that with you Because I if I ever in this conversation had more of like a me more tell me more I really want to understand I don't talk about this much and the reason I don't talk about it if all any is because

it's like you kid it's unbelievable it's unbelievable yeah yeah like I I I uh I did in in my own um convalescence from my injury I did the exact same thing I went in there with a mortar and I reconstructed every vertebrae like with a mortar like just Make it all smooth and and and I did and one if I if I was doing that and I was on say I did I broke T8 T9 T10 t11 T12 and L1 if I was on like T9 and I started thinking about am I going to live

in a wheelchair I'd stop and start all over again because I was not that's exactly how I did it that I was not giving that intelligence it is a Consciousness that's giving us life and I have to be present with it I have to give it a very clear picture and if and if it's if it's Polluted in any way I would start all over and I think the brain does not know the difference really at certain moments between what's real and what's imagining and I think that in effect starts producing outcomes um so yeah

so so that's an example of truth you're the example of Truth so when a person comes to our week-long Retreat and they stand on the stage and they say I was diagnosed with stage four cancer and you know I I had a Doctor I tried the chemo I tried the radiation I tried the surg IES I tried the diet I tried the drug trials I tried everything that wasn't changing because I wasn't changing and then they say I have no evidence of cancer like is it's a four-minute mile moment it's like I'm looking at 2,000

people in an audience and everybody's leaning in because that is the example of Truth up there they're they're saying I broke through a certain level of Consciousness Or unconsciousness and the person in the audience invariably that has that similar condition sees that person they don't look any more special than them and their belief in possibility goes up and I think people do the best with what they think is available so you get a you got enough people together in in the spirit of that I think people become conscious of other possibilities and and just like

an infection can spread amongst the Community and create disease health and wellness can become as infectious as disease in seven days so we did this study and we found out that we had all these people with everybody had their own genotype right their own particular gene expression based on their race their culture their family whatever and genes make proteins and proteins are responsible for the structure and function of your body the expression of proteins is the expression Of Life at the end of seven days all these different uh genotypes almost 80% of the of the

collective were expressing the same genes and making the same proteins like that's unheard of so like people Chang people but there was an emergent Consciousness that was taking place that was being reflected in people's biology the herd the flock the tribe you know the school of fish everybody's evolving together in seven days So if you don't know that that's possible that you could actually use imagery to heal an an some type of leion then you you'll make the typical choice but the fact that you do know that you have a hand in it you could

actually do something you me I can do something to help my health and it may not be in like a pill immediate you got to put in the work you got to put in the time and and you have to really understand what You're doing and why you're doing there can be no false hope well so this is why I didn't talk about it cuz I didn't know exactly how it works worked and I didn't I didn't know the medical professional said oh the gas just the body just ate up up maybe you know sometimes

it it turns these things into a gas and it just kind of I thought well maybe but I I didn't tell them what I did I that was my my information but I didn't want to share it one because it was super Fringe And it was way out there I can get out there and so I'm not I'm not too afraid of that however I didn't want to set up this condition in another person that I did it I'm pretty good at this you could do it if you were just good enough and then they

go away and they're like I still have cancer or I've still got my back is still riddled and I I just felt like there was this unfair thing yeah yeah and so that's why I asked you about your the way why you Wanted to step forward cuz I I made a very different Choice yeah when I saw people like I I I saw that I was truly making a difference and some level in their life that was the moment I didn't care like I really didn't care about the academic who was sitting there judging me

he's going to or he or she's going to judge me anyway I really don't care like that's fine I'm more interested in people who do want to learn those are the people that I'm after right so they Can have their judgments about me and say all kinds of things but I really don't care anymore I really don't care I know on some level between the evidence that's taking place in human testimony and there there's enough we have hundreds of not thousands now of people who have healed themselves and we have amazing evidence and scient empirical

scientific studies evidence is the loudest voice and so chronic health conditions in themselves just just stay Stay in the lane of convention require a lifestyle change and chronic health conditions make up 95% of of all health conditions because of Lifestyle because of behaviors because of choices okay so a pharmaceutical May alleviate and give you some chemical balance but if you're not physically balanced then you're not emotionally balanced that's going to do very little so so teach a person then this the Structure of what it really means to change people don't do the meditations in our

work to heal they do the meditations to change and what are you what are you hoping that they change uh so it's just three things the way they think the way they act and the way they feel and how you think how you act and how you feel is called your personality and your personality is intimately connected to your personal reality so then let's unlearn the old Personality that's 95% hardwired conditioned and habituated and that's the that's the hard work that's the overcoming process and then let's fire and wire new thoughts in our brain what

do I want to believe a belief is just a thought I keep thinking over and over again so let's with intention let's with attention begin to install that the hardware keep doing it it becomes a software program that's the new voice in your head that's the new belief I can It's possible that's my vision okay a person who's healing from a health condition may have a good meditation in the morning 45 minutes hour half hour whatever feel really in Z 12 minutes feel really in the zone but then spends the rest of their day the

rest of their day frustrated impatient angry uh suffering fearful okay so 1 hour it does not it's not going to work so let me mentally rehearse how I'm going to be in those Circumstances now you know this the act of mental rehearsal you close your eyes and you rehearse doing something whether you're playing the piano or doing a sport or whatever you know this extremely well when you're truly present the brain cannot distinguish between the actual event and what you're imagining so what you're imagining becomes the experience and the brain looks like you've been playing

the piano for 5 days It looks like you've been hitting a golf ball for the last week the brain looks like you've already done it now the brain's no longer a record of the past now now you're priming it as a map to the Future you're installing the hardware keep doing it you behave differently around your coworker there's no magic here you you be behave differently around your ex or whoever you're you're you're changing right now your to change is be greater than your Environment to think act and feel differently in the same environment okay

now can I stay in my heart can I feel an elevated emotion today let me just bring up the feeling I want to feel today and let me bring it up a hundred times so I I can bring it up on my own right so the word meditation then means to become familiar with that's what it means to become so familiar so conscious of your unconscious self that you don't default go unconscious in your waking day that's That is a great day and then okay how let me remind myself how I am going to think

let me remind myself how I'm going to act at the staff meeting how am I going to act with my kids how am going to act when I'm here let me what would greatness look like what would love do let me just let me just rehearse it in my mind so I can get my behaviors to match my intentions let me get really clear okay no person no circumstance no condition in my life is going to move me From this elevated emotion now the game is on you're out of the bleachers you're on the playing

field now because the person who's truly interested in healing says the moment I start feeling those familiar emotions I'm signaling the same genes and genes make proteins it's the environment that signals the gene okay the end product from an experience in the environment is an emotion so as long as I live by this emotion I'm signaling The same genes okay is it possible then if I feel this elevated emotion and I'm able to sustain it that I could actually my body would believe it's living in a different environment and if the environment signals the Gene

and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion by me feeling this elevated emotion my entire day I can signal genes ahead of the environment what we discovered if you have Intention in that state 100% of the people actually signal the gene to make a protein 100% that's a pretty good odds it's going to happen what what duration of time Seven Days Seven well if you thin slice the amount of time they were doing intention work call it mental re 35 hours of meditation in a in a 7-Day event okay 35

hours of meditation and of that meditation are you including mental rehearsal mental imagery intention is that included in The 35 yeah it's a it's a it's a journey yeah so you're you're thin slicing there are thin slices of different types of meditation you're talking about yeah so that's one type of meditation we we do we do all kinds we create brain and heart go That's essential yeah when what we discovered Mike that was really crazy when we started when people started hitting these and I talk about it in the documentary where they're hitting these high

high states of gamma Like three standard deviations outside of normal when you're measuring anything is 2% of the population that's very very good we're getting high gamma coherent High gamma brain wave patterns 200 300 4 400 standard deviations outside of three is an outlier so you imagine 197 more 297 more of those little boxes this is a person who's having a supernatural amount of order in their autonomic nervous system so if Stress is autonomic disregulation then the person who's functioning in that coherent highly regulated very intense gamma brain wave state that's producing some of ecstasy

or Bliss that's an enormous amount of autonomic regulation and when people hit that moment somehow there's an immediate biological upgrade in their body there there's the condition and now it's gone because the autonomic nervous System is controlling and coordinating every other system in the body right so now the information that's traveling to the cell to the tissue to the organ to the system is very very coherent is very clear and the frequency is very fast and so a person somehow gets this kind of upgrade now that's that's where we've gotten like that's like the instantaneous

stuff where I'm shaking my head and going muscular distrophy I mean come on like there's no cure for Muscular distrophy the kid came in in a wheelchair and he's walking out of the event like I'm scratching my head like how did that happen he he had that moment of arousal but the arous B was an enormous amount of gamma and it wasn't happening in his thinking neocortex it was happening in the lyic brain the seed of the autonom nervous SYM on fire and that that's regulating enormous amounts of order right it's it's crazy yeah it's

crazy I can't Believe it I keep telling the scientists I can't believe this stuff and then and you should see the scientists because these are you know guys that have published 200 300 papers or very empirical now we're working with uh Harvard scientists and some Stanford people too and and they see the data the the first thing they fall out of their chair with is s days like a drug trial is you know 3 months 6 months this is they're like what 7 days and it's not Like it's not like 10% of the population it's

80% it's 70% of your population yeah the community it's kind of insane they're like what no drug no drug trial does that best drug trials 25% one out of four this is like three out of four like and and and I keep saying to the scientists where are those chemicals coming from where are they coming from where are they coming from the person's not ingesting anything they're not changing Their diet how can a person's microbiome in seven days be completely different completely different at least 15 probiotic really powerful in in large communities changes in microbiome

the only answer is they're not the same person if they were the same person they'd have the same microbiome right a different a different person completely different microbiome do you think that it's something unique and special that's happening in your Methodology or so John kabin is a mentor friend of mine beautiful human being and um he's got a three and a 5 day meditation that I'll go to and so it's three days of call it you know 16 hours of noble silence meditation and do you think it happens there and this is not about John

and about Joe this is about the the practice of meditation mindfulness over an extended period of time um I I think that uh any methodology can work as long As the person understands what they're doing and and why they're doing it I think that's important and there's elements of mindfulness uh in the work that we do but there's a the scientists uh call it WTF fullness like what like what is that like like what is that and I honestly believe that um when you get in that right brain State like theto you're suggestible to information

you're in a hypnotic state right and You suggestibility is your ability to accept information believe information surrender to it without analyzing it and somehow it it programs the subconscious or affects the autonomic nervous system but if your eyes are closed and you're in meditation and and the music filling the space and you're not seeing anything you're not you know you're not hearing ambient sounds you're not tasting you're not smelling you're not feeling anything with your physical Body but you're still suggestible to information there's only one other place you can get information from that's free frequency

right so get the get the nervous system tuned up to order and there's an invisible field of energy that exists beyond our senses that we are immersed in that somehow the brain can transduce that frequency into information in our biology because 25 hours of focusing a lot of Times on a good portion of that on nothing physical and material somehow there's effects dramatic effects in people's biology to the extent that the end of seven days their biology looks like they're living in a whole new life it looks like they're living in a whole new environment

and they're in a ballroom and there's really nothing really spectacular in a ballroom I've been to thousands of them they all look the same when you have a one week post Trial 3 we 6 week post- trial and you measure checkin uh and whatever ways what what are you finding um happens post okay I'll tell you I'll tell you what we we know so far um HRV levels after uh the 7-Day event continue to improve for two to three weeks in other words we do these healings on each other and you got to get into

this super altered state and we see the part go completely out of order like there's a Arousal that's insane and you see it in the collective that experience produces an emotion of love and joy that tends to linger for weeks if not months after the event the person's just feelings a whole different feeling um we see um brain coherence uh sustained we see um certain people not all of them uh their microbiome stays changed uh we see some people regress uh Because they stop doing the work and they return back to their environment and their

environment is controlling how they're feeling and controlling how they're thinking and controlling how they're acting they return back to the same personality and so you see this kind of encroachment slowly over time yeah of disease starting to re reoccur um but I think really one of the cool things that I'm proud about with our community Is that people do the work and I I don't think they do it because they have to I think they do it because there's magic happening in their life with opportunities and synchronicities and coincidences and and um that inspires them

uh to want to keep the magic going so uh um yeah we've seen great changes uh and we've seen great the people who have those High gamma moments where there's the Parkinson's and now it's gone those tend to be very permanent Like we very rarely see like the there's a regression of the condition and and we we have a language expert you know that that at the University of Central Oklahoma he's really studies the language of transformation and he he started off studying like I think it was like 26 or 28 case histories of people

that tell their testimonial their their story of transformation and he's got a huge AI system and we were picking apart the language of transformation so that I Can actually teach it better and I know the words then that I could use to help people get there easier and one of the main things that happens in people who who really fully immerse themselves is that the word I felt it or feel it is the most common word and it breaks down into two two uh venues one is it's very SU itic like I don't know what

that was like my heart blew open the top of my head blew off there was lightning bolts coming out of my hand I could feel every Atom in my body vibrating to a certain level of ORD it's very sematic like what the hell and the other component Mike is is very emotional like I never felt love like that before I never felt anything I don't even have the word to describe it but as a consequence of that experience there's a temporality like I'm not I'm not that person any longer like that's not me That used

to be that's a different person I'm somebody else right and so the the the those those High arousals where the person moves into those States uh there there's an upgrade that takes biologically that that's sustained for a good period of time what does your practice look like um so I'm a morning person I'm always been a morning person I I have a lot of things that I have to do in one day my belief is that if I can get Myself right if I if I can overcome myself the beginning of the day it's everybody

else is easy so I I allow for two hours every morning doesn't doesn't mean I necessarily take two hours but I like the morning where everybody's asleep I'm early riser I get in my think box it's really important I I I'm not a i Pace I move around I get you know okay I think about the the obvious things I look at my Calendar I get all that taken care of okay this that the other thing I get all that worked out and then then it is really uh me sitting down and and doing the

work my my goal is to be the example really of everything that I teach so I have to lead by example uh and I think experience is the greatest Professor so I'm going to I'm going to step into uh we we interface with the world you know I have a lots of Zoom calls lots of meetings lots of things to learn um but Really my morning practice is getting myself ready for my day uh how am I going to face uh unexpected things and how long am I going to emotionally react for if I react

I mean it's not that you react question is how long you going to keep that going right got it yeah so so then I'm there's things I'm working on with myself you know that I always that I always want to unlearn and relearn you know is this more um are you using your a meditative practice or a Writing Practice no no no the morning the first part the think box of just looking at my day is that's the known that's analytical if you that's the knowns let's just okay I can go through that very quickly

then I'll say okay when I get done I'm going to have to read this stuff just to get ready or someone's going to brief me on it and I'll get ready okay but then there's Joe the spend on the journey right who do I want to be one day one lifetime yeah let me Just see if I can let me see if I can embody this person let me see if I can keep my energy up see if I can stay in my heart let me see if I can really be present and considerate and

kind and then the rest of the day I'm serving you know the rest of the day I'm busy and my my my ambition is to be able to to maintain that modified State of Mind and Body my entire day only for the simple reason that I want the synchronicity I want the weird opportunity I want the Unusual thing that caused me to go huh did I really create that am I am I somehow in the creative process here instead of being the victim in my life that person that circumstance is actually controlling my feelings and

thoughts and ultimately my behaviors that's a program right so I want to switch from that Mo that mode into being the Creator so I got to get in the state where I can create and that means sometimes it takes me a little bit Longer and sometimes it takes me like almost an hour to get Beyond myself but I'm not going to get up until I'm that person and I don't care if it if I run over it's just in in the light of all the eternity that's worth it to me right so so I allow

for those two hours sometimes the whole entire two hours I'm Inward and other times I fall into the fold and you know it's it's like you said you're you're there and you just want to elongate the moment do anything Except I always say memorize this feeling dude memorize this feeling memorize it bring it up keep remembering this this is who you are right so when I when I open my eyes and I do do that my day is differently than when when I don't and and and I like the I like the synchronicities I like

the unknown experiences because it proves to me that I am the creator of my life at the end of my day it's always the same question How'd you do dude like how did you do today like yeah when'd you fall from grace what what person what circumstance when when did you lose it when did you go unconscious then of course the next question is new day tomorrow how are you going to think different how are you going to behave differently in that same circumstance another shot at it Joe the spend what would you do and

if you die if I don't know the answer I'm going to look it up and find out what what would Some somebody somebody somewhere sometime must have faced this and how did they do it so let me just learn that and then let me just let me integrate that into my Evolution right because I what I want to do is I just want to make steady strides in my own Evolution and sometimes I work on things for months you know just just but I know that that is the I know that when I change my

life changes I mean I know that nothing Changes in our life until we change right so again if I could if I could work with it if it takes me two months to get there uh it's always it's always worth the effort so what challenges you the most my biggest challenge is time you know I I mean I do a lot of things and I think it's a commodity uh but if I'm in the present moment uh and I'm not thinking about time somehow it magically works so I I work a lot on that what

is is your great anxiety am I doing enough Yeah yeah not like in an obsessive way but one thing that really works well for me and I'm totally happy with this is that I I need I just need time alone and I and I think that that helps me the most a couple quick hits yeah I am how do you finish that thought joyful right now my vision is uh to make a difference in the World to Change people to another change people in order to change the world relationships are most important thing we have

my philosophy is live life To its fullest and that we the creator of our life if you could sit with one master somebody that's a true master of self or craft who would it be and if you only had one question what would you ask well I would choose somebody that was enlightened whoever that would be and then I would ask him what's my blind spot that's all I'd want to know just maybe just ask your wife she probably knows of course as one of your kids or Something that's what I always do to say

to my kids how am I doing yeah how am I doing like so um Mastery is I think when you know that you know how to do something and you can shorten the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of having it that's really cool that's my best shot that is speaking for my present state of ignorance my working philosophy is every day is an opportunity to create a living Masterpiece and each one of those words matters um opportunity create a masterpiece and so when you think about a living Masterpiece what

comes to mind for you I really like studying uh people who have near-death experiences it's just really fascinating to me because when they come back their brain's completely different for sure and their world view is different there's nothing greater than being a part of a human being's transformation there's nothing Greater when you can celebrate someone's personal change and transformation and I think the greatest form of gratitude that we can ever experience is when we receive gratitude from someone else I think there's an empathy that's innate in us that we kind of go we feel what

that person's feeling when their life has changed right or they're they're appreciative and I think our our social networks switch on I think we Come Together We commune we Connect more and I think there's a greater appreciation for life and so Mission my mission driven people are people who really really want to make a difference in people's uh people's lives and I think I think that's the highest form of motivation and I think people uh you know we see this in our work all the time Mike you know they people come for wealth they come

for health they come for relationships they come for mystical experience doesn't matter to me it Doesn't matter to me it's just that's just one experience like the people who actually heal themselves they they're not victimized by their their their disease that they they tell me I would have never changed would have never changed unless I had this disease right and so then but what what people ultimately come for after they arrive at whatever it is they they arrive at is wholeness they just want wholeness I mean imagine being so whole you no Longer want how

could you want when you're whole yeah and somehow the self-reported questionnaires that we do around that that there's a direct correlation with the heart and the Brain you know coherence in the heart and the Brain that's synchron synchronization that takes place and that kind of explanation like I don't I'm I'm I don't want anything and and I think when we're in that state everybody's okay it's amazing you know cardiac disease is one Of the the big killers and for folks that are listening that are struggling with cardiac disease and they've got maybe blockage they've got

a calcification they've got something going on would you suggest um because you've talked about the heart a lot would you suggest a daily meditation practice uh if they're not yours figured out would you suggest a healing imagery where they see the decalcification taking place like yeah Yeah I think it's more than that though I mean um I think there's three types of stress physical chemical and emotional I think there's three types of balance physical chemical and emotional I work really hard in my life to be physically balanced chemically balanced and emotionally balanced the hard one

out of the three because you know 90 75 to 90% of every person that walks into a health care facility walks in because of psychological and emotional stress so You could be visualizing all you want seeing your AR is clear you could be an emotional basket case and it's not going to work cuz the heart and survival and stress is out of balance right so so there's a there's got to be the right I believe me personally I believe there's got to be a right state that you have to be in to be able to

have the visual process be the most effective uh because otherwise it's trying it's forcing it's wishing it's hoping it's Fighting it's competing that's not that's lack that's like we cannot attract anything in our life that we feel separate from from so in order for the person to heal their heart their heart has to be open that their heart has to be activated that Center has got to be awakened then the greatest effects that you can see and we've seen this with people the greatest effects takes place beyond our comprehension of how that Little protrusion disappeared

the pr how did it disappear that's not it's none of your business the autonomic nervous system can manufacture chemistry like that's insane we've Prov proven it so like it's none of your business all you have to do is when it happens and how it happens is none of our business but we got to be in the right state right getting people in the right state is the challenge then the rehearsal the the the positive imagery all that stuff has the Greatest outcome but that works better in children we discovered than in adults what works better

in adults is for them to change if I change my heart should change if I change my life should change and and and people say um I don't know 80% of the tumors went away I wasn't doing anything like I I was just doing my meditations there well of course you're in homeostasis uh and your body's Back in Balance because because stress is the Lack of homeostasis some people's goals when they have a diagnosis is not like I'm going to heal their goal is like I've been out of homeostasis for the last 10 years my

job is to get back into homeostasis if I get back into homeostasis a better shot of me healing now then with that comes a lot of challenges like I said it's not that you react yeah that's how long you react you are more of a bottom up approach versus a top down yeah right create the Conditions create the physiological experience and one of the conditions is the neurochemistry that happens between people the community so you're more of a bottoms up but you're not absent of a top down because because a person could say I'm healthy

I'm healthy I'm wealthy I'm wealthy I'm free I'm free I'm a limit and their body's programmed and their body saying no you're not you're miserable dude like the thought never passes the brain stem so that Affirmation thing is kind of yeah but get a person in the right state where they're feeling grateful oh we accept believe and surrender to thoughts equal to our emotional state so the bottom up is important the top down is the is the is the application is the technique right you got to set up you got to set up the conditions

and I think I think I've I've done everything wrong I've made all the wrong turns like I've I'll try this I'll try that and and so I only go I don't do any type of meditation that's traditional I just look at the data yeah that's really cool um Peter said that you're just going to love having a conversation I've known you from a distance and have respected the work that you're doing and the mission that you're on and um I've really appreciate this conversation Peter told me the same thing about you and it's absolutely the

truth and I hope We become friends oh I would love that man yeah congratulations on the way that you're making a difference in other people's lives and people change people um and you're making a big impact on changing folks so congrats I'm stoked that we got to meet thank you Peter um and Dr Joe despenza what a gift thank you Mike thank you for the opportunity to contribute appreciate you yeah thank you come on