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There's two main categorical reasons why I say Harris would be better than Trump the first category is character speaking of which you know if we're bringing up stuff from the past we can say she slept with Willie Brown broke up a family just to get her job she got 4.5 million votes to get into Ag and da and slept with zero of them how you feel about you know that no absolutely not you think that she slept with 4.5 million people Getting but the one person was the most important person you just say that she

had to sleep with 4.5 million my name is Dean Withers I'm a 19-year-old liberal I do political debate for a living and today I'm surrounded by 20 Trump supporters my first claim is Donald Trump is a [Music] racist yeah so I don't understand how people get this idea that Trump is racist you know my family came from a Communist country they came from Cuba and they came from Mexico so I don't see anything or any statement that he's ever made that's racist I mean there's things that there's accusations but there's no facts behind it and

this whole idea that all Hispanics are illegal immigrants and they came here undocumented is not true because my family came here on both sides from through the legal legal immigration process not illegally here okay so that was a bold claim you just Said that you know there's no facts to substantiate the idea that Donald Trump is going to be a racist so in the 1970s there's civil litigation held against him by the doj of the state of New York for literally not renting two black people what they did is they had send in quote unquote

testers to his rental properties at the time they' send in a a white person the white person would ask the property manager if they had any available properties to rent they'd say Yes here we go here's housing application then they'd send in a black tester that asked the same question and then they'd actually be denied when this was investigated by the doj the property manager told them that this was just a quot quote an order from the hup from this boss from Donald Trump and then the investigated Donald Trump brought civil litigation against it and

they yeah they essentially determined that yeah he wasn't renting To black people in which he then had a promis to doj that he was no longer going to racially profile in his housing application and even had to put ads in the in the New York in the New York newspaper at the time say that it to black people so what you're saying is basically he's not renting to black people but yet he employs a lot of minorities he employs a lot of blacks Asians Hispanics onto his staff so why wouldn't he be renting to black

people That doesn't make any sense also ex RAC but also an example that the Department of Justice is weaponized against people that do something in life uh can you give me any evidence that I'll give you I'll give you evidence of that yes I will because Trump was political for a very long time he made political statements he was very unpopular with a lot of Democrats he would say things that they didn't like and they would go after him they would weaponize the Department of Justice just like they are right now they're weaponizing the Department

of Justice against him they're using the government to for their political power to go against him because they disagree with his political opinion that's what they do the Democrats have been going after him for years even considering he used to be a registered Democrat so I don't believe that Trump is racist whatsoever I don't I don't see that because I see his Employees I've been to a lot of his properties in the past and I know that he hires a lot of minorities so I don't I don't believe that to be true okay so your

claim here is that well he actually didn't do what the doj accused him and held him liable for doing yeah but the doj says a lot of things that doesn't make it true I finish real quick so you're saying that the doj actually was unfairly persecuting Donald Trump a political opponent in the 70s he wasn't Running for any public office so I don't know why you'd say that was a political opponent uh but maybe we could look at a more intuitive example well he's made political statements in the 70s as well okay yeah okay so

your claim is that yeah the doj was unfairly persecuting him do you have any evidence of that if you go back do you have any evidence why the doj was investigating him in the first place yeah because they got no there's no evidence I mean the doj has Been an illegitimate Organization for a very long time so they make a lot of statements but it doesn't mean that they're going to actually did they actually go through with anything nothing really happened at the end of the day it was just a Witch Hunt at the end

of the day okay well I mean I don't think you'd have any evidence for the claim that it was a Witch Hunt I think that at the end of the day this is a conspiracy theory I think that Donald Trump conspiracy theory might if I finish real quick thanks so I I think that at the end of the day this is going to be a conspiracy theory I think that the doj does this a sorry that Donald Trump will perpetuate a lot of conspiracy theories he did this with the outcome of the 2020 election but

let's look at another example that's not coming from like the doj or like the criminal justice system we're like referencing like 2012 through 2014 Donald Trump said that because Barack Obama is black he's obviously not a us-born citizen so therefore he OB he did not say that he was black he's not a US born citizen let's talk about the birther movement right so I just have a quick question what did you say trying to take there was legitimacy questioning his birth certificate questioning his birth certificate what's legitimacy questioning because his family came from Kenya how

is he running for wait Donald Trump's mother is a Scottish as a Scottish immigrant should we question his birth certificate they came here through the legal process he didn't come here through the legal process wait so you're saying undented migrants iqualify him as president I just want to answer a question would haveif I want to ask you a question who I'm friends with Sheriff jaro who I'm friends with looked into the claims of that birth certificate and There was questions of whether it was falsified wa believe that yes I do believe that so you you

were racist just like Donald Trump I'm not racist oh wow you're calling Hispanic and a Cuban racist you mind if I might if I take 30 seconds here all right so first of all yes another white all right all right want to start where you guys left off yeah I think that hopefully we could slow things down a Little bit here have some uh productive conversation so um yeah how about I just start off by giving you my reasons why I think that Donald Trump is racist so uh with the last guy we kind of

touched on the civil litigation that was held against him in the 1970s for not renting to black people uh but I want to focus upon a more like intuitive example uh proping uh the bar the idea that Barack Obama was not a us-born citizen so first I just want to ask you a very simple Question what do you say trying to take away opportunity from a black man because he's black is racism yeah I mean to be honest yes I do believe that okay but I think we also have to look into what the administration

when he was in office did not what happened back in 1970 when he wasn't even in office it was a complete different Administration making the rules okay when he was in office he gave opportunity zones gave funding at HBCU he also implemented the First step act which I feel like liberals really focus on like oh our uh prison system has a majority of African-Americans in there so we gave them an opportunity to get out early to start a new life so I think if we're going to go back and look at some stuff in the

1970s that's not really fair because there's a lot of people on the Democrat um side that have done worse things while in office Joe Biden who when he was a Senator pushed to get um African-Americans incarcerated at a higher rate like actions speak louder than words at the end of the day and what Trump did in office helped the black community at exponential amount compared to all the other administrations on the Democratic party okay so you're saiding what he did in office helped African-Americans more than other administrations yeah you referenced historically historically black universities do

you know how much Funding he sent to HBCU decent amount a decent amount I can't give you the exact number so the exact amount was $250 million per year do you know how much Obama's administration and Biden's Administration I've sent I would like to hear Obama sent 1 billion a year and Biden sent $4 billion a year so not only did he decrease funding to historically black universities all right but also you referenced the first step act there how did Donald Trump influence the first Step act to get passed through Congress well how did he

influence that bill through Congress answer that question for me because he didn't influence it in fact it was proposed to Congress under Obama's Administration and it was shot down and then something else I did want to but at the end of the day as president he has the ability to sign or send a bill back to Congress and he signed it if he was truly racist he would not have signed it in the first Place okay but at the end of the day he still signed it he has that ability just like every president before

if they don't like a bill they have the ability to send it right back to Congress and there's Congressional means to get it passed without a president's approval but still he signed it if he's really a racist why did he sign it in the first place yeah well I don't think that we could just ignore Trump saying that Obama isn't a us-born citizen and He's probably from Kenya right I don't think that we could ignore mind I finish here sir okay go ahead go ahead I don't think that we could ignore the civil litigation against

him in the 1970s for not renting to black people I don't think we could ignore his recent comments about kamis saying that she turned black implying that she wasn't black prior just because he signed the first step act into law like I understand that does do something for The African-American Community but I don't think we could say because he did this one thing that all of these other examples are NL and void you also referenced Joe Biden there I have no problem saying that Joe Biden has a racist p and in fact I think that's

something I need to recognize and we should all recognize but what I can't stand is when I hear people denying Trump's racism saying it never occurred when it's so obvious but at the end of The day what I'm trying to explain right now is that Biden has signed bills into law voted for them that hurt the community Trump has not done anything to that extent sure he says some things were maybe a little bit iffy way back you say you're saying things for back in the 1970s that did not even have like that he couldn't

even like sign a lot or anything like that because he wasn't even in [Music] Office okay um I guess where I want to start with is looking at the actual word racist I think nowadays it's a word that people throw around kind of like the word love it is a very powerful word it has a lot of Nega connotation has a lot of power that comes with it when I think of racists I think of Hitler who murdered millions of Jews when I think of racists I think of the Ottoman Turks that that murdered 1.5

million of my people I think of that I don't think of Uh Trump who maybe he said things in the past this so that if we want to go about talking about saying things Biden said Obama is one of the first mainstream blacks to be bright and intelligent he said that you can only walk into a 7-Eleven if you have an Indian accent he has said that if you vote for Trump over him you're not black he said so many of these things in his past and it the prompt is talking about is Trump racist

but to me it's not about that because of How the media has displayed racism they just focus on Trump and it is about both sides they don't touch upon Biden they don't talk about Biden and when you look at his policies like my friend mentioned if Trump was a racist he would not be passing policies he wouldn't even give a dollar to these black universities if he truly had this it's an intention of heart and I'll go out out and I'll step out and say I'm sure everybody here has said something racist in their life

that Doesn't make you a racist it's kind of like if you weigh 400 lb and you eat celery you're not skinny all these examples that you're talking about are from years and years ago what has he done that's racist in the last maybe 5 10 years 10 years ago 2014 uh Trump was actively propon uh Barack Obama's bir myth the idea that he was not born in the you already said that example give me something new cuz that's okay fine yeah sure I mean you're asking for some The last 5 to 10 years that was

10 years ago I thought that I'd just go over that again the another reason why I wanted to go over that again with you is because how intuitively racist it is right denying or saying that a black man should have less opportunity because of the color of his skin is very obviously racist when did he make that comment yeah so the the the whole bther myth with Barack Obama right essentially HED to achieve that he wasn't born in the US He was born in Kenya and because he's not a US born citizen he shouldn't have

the opportunity to run for US president the only reason he said that it's because of the color of Barack Obama's skin I would has he has he explicitly said he said that specifically CU he's black or are you just taking that assumption okay so what what else what what explanation do we have here I I've said everything I need to say I'm waiting on you okay so I mean well yeah I I think that looking at Barack Obama saying that he was born in Africa and then even denying his birth certificate from Hawaii still like

attributing his birth to Africa I don't really see any other explanation apart from that besides the fact that Barack Obama has black skin and then another example that's also a comment that wasn't a racist action that was a comment he's what action has he Taken part in the last 5 10 years that have been racist Against not even just blacks against other races all right first I I don't think that we should call like African-Americans like blacks I think that's a dehumanizing word but uh second of all that's your opinion but okay okay sorry SEC

second of second of all right even if we look at like the last month or two uh I'd say that saying kamla Harris right quote unquote turned black implying that she wasn't black prior that's another racist comment we could Also reference she plays with that one day she's Indian one day she's black that's not true hello howy very nice to meet you it's nice to meet you as well so you know you're looking back at Donald Trump's history one thing I do want to say I don't know if you are aware Palm Beach didn't used

to let let African-Americans there Donald Trump sued the city of Palm Beach to allow black membership at Mara Lago that is Not racist I think one of the problems that we have a lot on the left every time there's a disagreement we get thrown you're a racist you're a sexist you're this you're that and it dissolves the discussions that we should be having on policies secondly Donald Trump worked with Senator Scott to create opportunity zones in Black communities if he was truly a racist it's not something that he would do so I think the whole

premise does he's a racist he's a sexist takes Away from policy positions that we should be discussing if we go to the border and we talk about rapists and murderers yeah they are happening lak and Riley is now dead we have 300,000 missing migrant children known sold into the sex trade per the last IG report these are important issues our economies is important issues you want if I ask you a question absolutely are you a US Bard citizen 100% statistically speaking four times more likely to commit a Violent crime than an undocumented migrant so when

you kind of virt signal onf of that they shouldn't be here okay right an America and my husband's an immigrant okay yeah but legal immigrant okay um who came here legally we've got a 100 Isis in our country right now that was reported we've got Goda ways we've got tende day daraga I've interviewed Oscar blue who's been through the Daran Gap four times people are dying okay so you're saying that we Have a crisis out of the side of the Border well I'm saying that you're saying that Donald Trump is racist Donald Trump loves America

okay okay well first of all he puts Americans first I want to ask you one simple question first and maybe we could get back to the prompt do you think that we have a crisis at the southern border today 100% so you'd say that we also had a crisis at the southern border at the end of trump STM because we have the Same amount of Crossings today no we do not have the we have about 2400 Crossings today 14,000 14,000 Crossing a day the Biden Harris Administration put us back into What's called the global compact

of migration they are now using an app where they use our Refugee resettlement program to fly people into our country to different states so for you to say that the Trump Administration that had uh did not have Catch and Release that that is not and Biden put it back in and then we also had remain in Mexico which on day one of Biden's admin rtion he wiped out because it was ineffective I mean we could it was very effective you mind if I talk real quick I I I it's just propaganda it's what you've heard

from CNN and MSNBC um actually how about I provide you a source that isn't CSN CNN isn't MSNBC and it's actually a source from Donald Trump's rally so remember when Donald Trump got shot in his ear what did he what did he have behind him it was the chart that showed the lowest Crossings if I talk about that chart I have the chart should we bring it out you have the chart with you yeah I do bring the chart out uh can you hand me my purse someone like you have like a like you have

like an actual picture of the chart I do phenomenal let's look at the chart she is prepared this is great oh it's on it's on your phone I Thought that you had like an actual a picture we can hold it up to the camera if they want to see it okay well I mean well maybe we could just reference the data on that chart so you're referencing the remain in Mexico policy so that was one of Donald Trump's day ones he only had increasing board numbers until the day he signed title 42 into effect year

by year they only increase Mexico policy the the the the wall it was all incredibly ineffective border Legislation he couldn't get Congress together to pass anything so then he had a reappropriate to build the wall true that's not true Congress passed hr2 it's been sitting on Chuck Schumer's desk since uh May of 2023 it was the one bill that would secure the border border patrol has endorsed president Trump law enforcement has endorsed president Trump okay the Biden Administration and the Harris Administration have failed this nation And they have allowed this invasion of our country and

Americans are dying and sorry these gang members should not be here I have a question so would you say we had an undocumented migrant that was like uh a felon a sexual abuser right a violent offender that they shouldn't be allowed in the country 100% none of these people should be without process okay so my question to you would be well why do you want a Criminal felon sexual abuser to run the country because I believe that we're suffering from a extreme case of lawfare which I can prove and you know when you look at

let's take for instance the New York case the one that he's going to probably go to jail for even though he's not guilty the 34 felonies the 34 felonies that they Chang the statute of limitations in order to prosecute him that they change your case is confused so they didn't change any statute Liation yes they did I know what you're referencing if you'll just allow me just allow me if I just have 30 30 seconds Qui well we only have 40 seconds left clar they didn't CHS you've got the seat the whole time okay we

have 35 seconds left what were felonies for okay so let's not talk about that let's talk about the plain and simple fact that they moved the number three from B Biden's doj to a state case let's talk about the fact that Mark pomerance who Worked in the Biden Administration basically pleed the fist six time when he said that he was talking to Bragg and he would not talk about that Alvin Bragg ran on getting Trump let's talk about Judge Merchant's daughter Laura who's making millions for the Harris Administration and the Biden Administration right now in

order to prosecute Trump that is recusal it's going to get dropped at the Supreme Court Alvin Bragg should have recused Himself judge Merchant should have accused himself I like your power my next claim is Donald Trump doesn't care about the American people I completely disagree with you on that that Trump doesn't you're saying he doesn't care about the American people I mean while he was President he was pushing precon domic policies which were furthering the American economy I mean right now if you go to a gas station you're paying more money to fill up your

Car going to the grocery store you're paying more for meat you're paying more for groceries you're paying more for a lot of things taxes are higher right now so why taxes are higher right now we're still under Donald Trump's tax code we're not completely no that's not true that's not that's not true because each individual State can impose their own taxes federal TA from I'm going to give you I'm going to give you an example in Los Angeles County they passed all these Other me measures in increasing quarter Cent sales tax here in Los Angeles

County and what do they do with the money they misuse the money they don't even use it to fix the streets they allocate all this funding towards the homeless billions of dollars saying they're going to build all this uh sh all these shelters they're going to build public housing and yet all the money goes to administrative cost it goes into the pension system so they're Misusing the money they're not using the money to actually help people so if you think about someone is going to help people Democrats have been promising people in the state of

California that they're going to do something about the problem yet they have unlimited power here to do whatever they want but yet we have thousands of homeless the LA times reported that there was 66,000 more homeless people in the last 7 years that's the LA Times that's a liberal Magazine quoted there's 66,000 more homeless people in Los Angeles ask you a question go ahead so um I have like a lot of reasons I'd like to bring up here why I'd say that Trump doesn't care about the American people but you reference his economic policy and

we could reference that um so yeah can you name like one economic policy that Donald Trump influenced to get past that benefited the low and the middle class more than it benefited the top 1% Well first of all the Democrats pass all these policies wait just about Donald Trump can you name one policy he influenced to get pass that benefits the low and the middle class more than it benefited the top 1% he tried to or during Co he tried to keep businesses open I mean Democrats were trying to close down all their states name

businesses that they put no no no they put a lot of businesses out of business during covid during the past years that Covid was in existence all the states that were liberal Democrat run uh states have controlled a lot of this the process here in the state of California like I'll give you an example in the state of California Gavin yum in the state of California Gavin yum shut down this state Rod de santis did not shut down this state yet you have businesses here that were small that went out of business yet you have

the State of Florida the majority of Businesses stayed in business did not go out of business the only businesses that went out of business that stayed in business were corporations like McDonald's Burger King and Walmart Okay so and with all due respect you literally didn't answer my question the Democrats were benefiting those businesses because they were voting in favor of them okay with all due respect you literally didn't answer my question I asked you to Name a policy that Trump influenced to get past that you the one that called me racist earlier so I'm supposed

to answer you okay well I mean if you don't want to have a productive dialogue with me here um I don't see what your point of even even showing up to the episode would be well you productive is not calling someone racist either right cool howd doy hello hi George um so maybe we could go about it this way can I give you my reasons why I'd say that He doesn't care about the American people and get your thoughts oh let me if you don't mind let me start okay is honestly the question is dumb

the statement's dumb because it's it's it's one-sided and it's an opinion on on what we think he believes or he feels this prompt says Donald Trump doesn't care about the American people I would like to give you my reason well I'll actually answer the other the other thing you mentioned a policy that Donald Trump Pushed for that benefited low and middle- inome people more than that it benefited the top 1% his tax policies and I know this for a fact because I'm middle low income and everyone I know that's middle low income um actually I

don't know that many everyone makes more money than me okay you no the only the only people I know of that complain about Trump's tax policies are those that make a reasonably high amount of money There is nobody I know that makes over like 200 something K that doesn't complain about his tax policy so I don't know what you make doing this it's probably more than I make I kind of wish I did what you do to a degree but if you're making more than 200k then I'm sure complain but I'm benefiting and I make

less than you probably okay so first of all you said that Trump's tax policy benefited the low and middle class more than it benefited rich people That claim is false 83% of the tax cuts in the bill went to the top 1% went to people making over $400,000 a year and it cost the American taxpayer $ 1.9 trillion through debt related spending and it only is going to lead to an average annual GDP increase of .2% please please please allow me to finish right so it is the case that no that didn't that didn't benefit

the low in the middle class more so than the top 1% and only is leading to a greater income And equi I don't believe you and I don't agree with you and I've seen no data I've seen no data to support that okay so that's coming from the tax policy Foundation that's coming from uh you know like other like you know other economic sources that we would find online to be able to distribute how much it [Music] costs okay so is it is it all right if I give you my reasons why I'd say he

Doesn't care about the American people uh in 10 seconds or less okay well I mean I feel like in order to like have productive dialogue right we be have to be able to distinguish like why I believe the things that I say okay why you and then I'll let you know why I believe the things that I do okay so the reason I'd say that Donald Trump doesn't care about the American people is because he has incessantly placed himself above the American people one of The best examples of this was in 2020 when he denied

the outcome of the election and then he attempted to Stage a que against our government and an attempt to rig the outcome of the 2020 election by like sending fake certificates of ascertainment to Congress be certified as real uh that was the greatest internal attack on our government since the Civil War uh another example would be the Border he has consistently placed himself above The American people in that respect he torpedoed langford's bill in the Senate that would have specifically brought the crisis two years ago you've got he didn't want to give the Democrats a

win another example no no no no no no no no let's slow down because you just put out so much and let let's unpack that a little bit let's do it okay so the first thing that you one thing I would like to say does Donald Trump care about the American people Donald Trump went to EAS Palestine Joe Biden waited 6 months okay okay Donald Trump went to the military families of the soldiers that were were killed at abig gate Joe Biden forgot their names Joe uh Donald Trump went and visited the people whose families

were killed by migrants that were criminals Joe Biden won't mention their names Donald Trump let me an average American citizen go to his house three Times okay do you mind like responding to my reasons why okay let's start with reason one every election in history has had challenges including Bush Vore there have always been alternate electoral I believe that January 6 helped Democrats well more than it ever did Republicans you know why because it stopped the debate on the floor and I as a Republican wanted to see that debate on the floor that day I

had problem with the elections in 2022 my son's vote Didn't arrive and I was a candidate okay I just want to clarify so you do affirm that Trump sent fake slates of electors to seven different states they were not fake there's always alternate slates of electors in every single not true that is not that is true that is not true that is true I worked on the Ron Paul Camp when you were like five is it possible this has happened all the time okay yeah can you give me a could you give me another example

of a sitting US President not agreeing with the outcome of the 2020 election than going to the doj Trump told Bill bar to announce widespread voter fraud when there wasn't any they didn't investigate it they didn't investigate it every single case was cases that were dismissed on standing because they didn't have sufficient evidence no because they the judges said they never saw the evidence okay I'm going to the so Donald well you're going to tell me what you think Happened but I'm going to tell you that you're wrong one moment ma'am Donald Trump formed right

an election Integrity committee where he appointed his people and gave them millions of dollars you finish no I do mind because you know if you can allow me to finish we can't have a productive conversation well we can't have a productive conversations when you have an entire 20 minutes in filibuster the whole thing okay well if you want to talk go ahead but you're not allowing me The time to demonstrate why I believe in what I do okay but you're not allowing me to say a basic fact of what has happened in this instance every

person that runs for election has the opportunity to challenge an electoral process that is not illegal what's happening now is you've got attorneys that were looking into the election fraud which the Biden doj is now Prosecuting having their law licenses removed we are watching communism in Live action and you know what I want you to have a future can you define communism yeah basically it's mob rule it's Marxism it's mob rule it's false literally all wrong communism is a stateless classless moneyless society okay welcome in doing all right Trump's Administration versus Biden's objectively 2016 to

2020 and then under Biden so far up to date objectively the economy was better under Trump inflation was as high as I believe 9% under Biden It's destroying the middle class and then it's also putting people in more poverty so how does that make Trump not be in support of American people if it's breaking down the middle class putting people in more poverty yeah so things in the grocery store are four times higher to pay for people are having harder time to put food on the table for their families yeah during the Biden Administration versus

Trump so I want you to explain well let's start off here Do you think that the Biden Harris Administration cost inflation uh yeah because under Trump's Administration and the policies he induced inflation was never that high and then after hit and Bon's Administration took over everything skyrocketed gas prices grocery stores everything so your argument here is because it happened in the country while they were president they caused it so my question to you is did Donald Trump caus the highest rate Of unemployment that we've had since the Great Depression in August of 2020 at 14.8%

simply because it happened under his administration no simply because people couldn't leave their home which was you know causing people to now we're introducing external varibles so in the same way Co caused right that high rate of UN of unemployment that we had under Trump's term Co also caused the global inflation that we saw onset at the beginning of the Biden Harris Administration this didn't happen locally in the US this inflation happened all around the globe but a but a fun fact here the Biden Harris Administration actually ushered in the quickest response from the inflation

onet by the pandemic out of any other country in the G7 I had another point which was that appreciate you for coming up man' what I what I've noticed because I work in retail for some seasons and I've Seen a huge flood shed of Colombians coming in okay we just got to be really realistic here about the economy so yes I I think that kind of you know blaming causation and kind of correlating that to the current president it's a little bit of a slippery slope however I think that when you look at the border

and the way that everything has been coming in with migration of course that the economy became better why because a lot of Colombians came in right and they Started working and they started imp putting more taxes all these fake socials that they get they start contributing to the tax money they pay more taxes every year and the government basically hides this by grabbing an app and they basically use that as an ankle bracelet replacement so that people don't find out instead of putting an ankle bracelet on people's ankles they hide the fact that they're allowing

all these illegal immigrants come in so the Economy has become such a success per your statement that it's been a success in the last four years because all these immigrants have been contributing to the tax dollars that the government has been wanting and so hence medic health so you agree that immigration is good for the economy the immigration issue is being they're being paid less money than the average salary so I don't understand how that's good for the American people I think that if you can properly execute Someone immigrating into this country legally and doing

it rightfully and everything like yes you can manage the amount of the amount of the way the economy is working yeah um I'm definitely a little bit confused on what you just shared with me but um we have a problem and that is undocumented migration correct yes this is another reason why I say Donald Trump doesn't care about the American people because Donald Trump mind if I finish go ahead Because Donald Trump doesn't care about the southern border I have a question for you okay if your house was burning down and a fire truck showed

up to put the fire out and you told them to turn around because you wanted the insurance money from letting it burn did you care about house of course no the so the the idea would be if you let the House burn down to get the insurance money you wouldn't care about your house would you agree With that yes okay right so when we have a crisis at the southern border and we have the firet truck or in this case right an amazing border bill that would have ended the crisis years ago proposed to Congress

by Langford a republican Endor uh sorry a trump endorsed Republican and then Donald Trump turns around and calls up the Republicans in the house and the Senate and tells them to vote against the bill because he doesn't want to give the Democrats a win And he wants the ability to be able to campaign on the crisis at the southern border now does Donald Trump care about the southern border so right so so basically what you're doing is you're you're trying to attack and kind of deflate the right right but at the end of the day

we got to realize that no no side is potentially perfect because clearly the Democrats are going to see that the right are horrible and the right's going to see that the Democrats Are also but do you mind answering the question there because I did make an important point there that I don't think should go unnoticed right in the same way in the hypothetical if you let your House burn down and and told the fire truck to turn away you don't care about the house and if Donald Trump lets the crisis at the southern border continue

and tells like the Republicans in the house and the Senate to turn the Border Bill around in 2022 he doesn't care About the southern border I look The Border's always going to have a crisis there's human trafficking constantly if you look at the narcotics if you look at all these drug dealers that are coming in right hi thanks for coming up man what's your name Jordan Jordan nice to meet you Dean we have 3 minutes and 42 seconds left on the clock here I would like to bring up a huge reason why I'd say that

he doesn't care about the American People is that all right yeah cool it's because how much he lies Donald Trump is an incessant um like uh Unapologetic liar he lied to the American public over 30,000 times while he was President he told the biggest lie that any setting president has ever told with the denial of the 2020 election and what is the Achilles tendon to a democracy an unin form Med voter base Trump has misled his voter base has made them misinformed has made them engage in Fringe Conspir conspiratorial hearsay by his incessant lies okay

can you give me any reasons why you think Joe Biden cares about American people more than Trump okay I mean yeah sure um first of all KLA Harris is running for president right now no Joe Biden Joe Biden sure yeah because Joe Biden the Democratic of course of course because Joe Biden passed four pieces of monumental legislation that that benefited the low and thee middle class more than it Benefited the top 1% we could talk about the PCT act investing $800 million into the expansion of Thea Healthcare benefits we could talk about the chips and

science act bringing 20% of the global chip reduction back to here at home in America by 2030 we could talk about the infrastructure Bill investing $1 trillion into local communities across the US spurring their economies and creating new construction jobs or we could talk about the inflation reduction Act investing millions of dollars into renewable energy resources to reduce inflation in the long term by addressing supply chain issues now those are four big policies that I would say demonstrate Biden's care for the American people okay um four years ago under Trump did you see um benefits

going towards immigrants and Wars more than American people uh did we see no and we don't see that now either oh we don't see it now No bro I've i' I moved here from Chicago and uh four years under Trump I wasn't seeing immigrants sleeping outside of police stations gathered in gangs and doing drugs outside police stations living in high-rise hotels getting benefits oh if you're just so there's there's more imants coming into our country now than there was that's true but earlier didn't you say it was the same oh no I said it's the

same right now so after Biden's executive order on The border we have the same amount of daily Crossings today across our Southern border as we had at the end of trump durm at the end of trump it was more uh yeah it was the same or more at the end of trump stre you you literally just said it we have more immigrants coming in now okay so uh over the 4-year presidency of Biden and Harris there has been more migration across the southern border because of the reval of title 42 causing a surge of entries

into our Country after Biden's was not going on during Trump am I right um yeah right so we had lower Crossings under Trump but I don't think we could say because there's lower Crossings under Trump than under Biden and Harris that Biden and Harris caused that let me ask you a question or more for more so make statement I'd look at the southern border like a river and I'd look at title 42 what was enacted at the end of Trump's turn because of Co like a dam as soon as that dam is lifted From the

river the r gushes through just like when title 42 was reversed and all these people that have been turned away for the last two years that are coming to our country because of economic disparities onset by Co in their own rushed into our country okay sorry I just had to very quickly the one thing that I look at that shows how he cares for the American people is that he's a multi-billionaire that chose To run for president and he's one of the only presidents that's net worth has actually gone down if he didn't care for

the American people why would he even go out of his way lose his Worth to run for president great question and here's what I'd say I'd say that Donald Trump has billions of dollars literally speaking he doesn't care about money he wants something else he wants power right and being able to force himself into the highest position of of ranking power in The world is a big deal and that's what he wants he doesn't really care about the American people or else he would have enacted legislation for the low and the middle class or else

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thanks again to straight Aro news for partnering with us on this episode now let's get into it My next claim is kamla Harris would be a much better president than Donald Trump I don't believe that KLA Harris would be a better president than president Trump uh and the reason why I believe that is because KLA Harris has had many chances when she was a district attorney in San Francisco she convicted more people of minor crimes than any other da of San Francisco and I know this too because I lived in San Francisco for a period

of time and I Understand the criminal justice system to a certain extent so KLA Harris if you have her as president she's going to go after people for minor offenses she's going to try to convict people for even marijuana for for an example I mean come on most people in this country have already been past this whole issue with uh with uh cannabis and everything and I think that's something that now that should be overlooked and it should be something that should be legalized on a Federal level as well but I do believe that KLA

Harris if she convicted people of small petty stuff like people having minor amount of marijuana and had the highest conviction rate in San Francisco how can you have someone like that as president and she also was also married into the Getty family John Paul Getty is do an elite family in the state of California so how is it that you're you're going to say oh KLA Harris is better than president Trump of course First uh let's respond to a couple of your claims there how many people did she convict not a clue 45 and what

did she do in 2014 45 you're saying she convicted only 45 people in possession of marijuana yes and what did she that is not true that that is not true that she convicted only 45 people okay of marijuana if she was a district attorney and she had other Das in the district attorney's office do you mind if I Finish talking Prosecuting those small crimes okay sir do you she had more than 45 convictions in that office alone so yeah she only had over you had you You' had a lot of time to talk I mean

had the whole time I really don't have a lot of time here but so what I'm saying is I just I just want to be able to finish this out go ahead you're 45 convictions but you're not giving me facts yeah so yeah so while she was Da it is a welcome in hi hi um so do you mind if I give you my reasons why I think that Harris would be about President um if you want cool um yeah so there's two main categorical reasons why say Harris would be better than Trump the first

category is character the second category is policy let's start off with character first of all uh Trump is uh a sexual abuser Trump is a felon Trump is a fraudster trump is an election an he's a dictator on day one want to be fascist Okay uh K Harris is none of those K Harris wants to protect and preserve a democracy she wants to fight for the freedoms of all Americans especially the 170 million American women and girls and then we could reference policy next if you want to respond to character go for it if you

want me to hop straight into policy I could do that too well you know starting with character I technically do not think she's a good person uh speaking of which you know if We're bringing up stuff from the past we can say she slept with Willie Brown broke up a family just to get her job um and while she was there she used a firm that was putting people in jail that had false positives on drug tests and she knew they had false positives she admitted to that and she was still putting mainly black and

brown people in jail considering ing I'm both that is very much um a big issue for me and also that women a woman shouldn't represent They should just sleep to the top for their job they should actually work hard for it I generally don't think that she's a good representative there's plenty of other women out there I have a question how many votes did she get in a run for AG do you know how many votes did she get in we're talking about character though of course we'll character and morals and if we're mentioning character

and morals here she's clearly not a good person just Like she you had mentioned all that stuff about Trump which could be trueing I'm referencing your claim that she slept to the top how many votes did she get when she was running for AG and da in the state of California but that has nothing to do with the it does she got 4.5 million votes in total 80 million for her run for agda I don't remember which one then 4.4 million for the other one I have a question you're saying that she slept her way

to the top how many of Those 4.5 million people that voted for her did she have to sleep with well you know obviously we're in California and this is pretty corrupt but to say that she needed the votes of most most people that matter which is person she slept with could actually overturn and hide these votes just like they did with the election but listen the idea the idea that women have to sleep with men to get into position saying I fin talking real quick We have to open our legs to get jobs that's exactly

how she used it do you mind if I just finished talking real quick also I would like to finish out this conversation there's a lot of red flags up though so saying that women have to sleep with men to get into positions of power is a misogynistic lie what you doing she just one moment that's what she represents doing what you were doing is you were taking KLA Harris you were taking her character you Were taking her proposed policy you were taking her intelligence and you're taking her her wisdom and you're throwing it out of

the window because when you say that the only reason she's in her position of power today is because she slept with a man that had been legally divorced for 3 years is a lie she got 4.5 million votes to get into Ag and da and slept with zero of them the question I have for you how you feel about Donald no absolutely not do You think that she slept with 4.5 million people get but the one was the most important person did you just say that she had to sleep with 4.5 million people no I

didn't say that I said that she slept with one of the most relevant people to get her job get in Willie Brown and how with Willie Brown get her the 4.5 million votes in her run for because he was in the same position she needed together but we have we have we have civil and electoral processes we Are a constitutional republic with Democratic processes yes I do and and you're saying that she somehow circumvented these civil electoral processes I don't hate women guys just letting you know [Applause] what [Music] is welcome down um I would

really like to see if we could have a productive conversation about this point well I Just want to start off by saying that you seem to attack Trump for his character but then when like kamla is attacked for her character it like doesn't matter so why do you think that kamla Harris is a bad person for reasons that have been stated can you repeat them she's slept with people to get up to her to her rankings she hasn't really done all too much as vice president in my opinion I would like to say that is

false she's passed more tiebreaking Votes in the Senate than any VP and American history she's also helped the Biden Harris Administration influence some of the most uh Monumental legislation in modern US History I'm going to name four pieces of legislation that the Biden Harris Administration influenced to get pass that benefits the low that benefited the low and the middle class more than people and I want to see if you could do the same for Donald Trump while he was President they They uh they sorry they influenced the the the PCT act the chips and science

act the American Rescue plan the infrastructure bill and the inflation reduction act if you'd like I could explain to you how those benefited the loow in the middle class more so than the top 1% but now I'll just simply ask you that same question can you name one bill that Trump influenced to get pass that benefited the low and middle class more so than rich people I I really Can't so then how could you say that KLA Harris hasn't done anything when you know so little about what Trump did while comparatively to what Trump has

done in the past she really hasn't done that much I just told you four pieces of monumental legislation that she did in to get pass that were beneficial beneficial but not quite to what Trump did well you can't even tell me what Trump did I asked you you couldn't tell I you can just tell from when he was President that it was just it was way better and K has been hiding and probably puppeteering the Biden like you can't deny that do you see how that's just a conspiracy theory I know it's a conspiracy but

it's the evidence is kind of there okay okay so what's the evidence for this idea that Biden hasn't done anything for America sorry okay that that smooth you just Kind of slid into I think a lot of what we're hearing from you right now is just what I call book smart like you probably are more knowledgeable than a lot of this a lot of us on these policies and all that that's not necessarily applicable to real life living if we look at one of in my opinion one of the most important roles as a president

is to keep our country safe kamla Harris she's the borders are and she has completely failed at that she's let in Millions and millions of legal immigrants and you've been asking us a lot of pointer so I want to ask you do you know what the average amount of fentanyl per pound that has come through during Biden's Administration versus the Trump Administration um no I'd assume that it's much higher under the Biden Harris Administration do you know what amount of drugs processed across the southern border are processed by US citizens but I'm talking about illegals

Right now so I asked you a question so during Trump's Administration there was on average about 2500 lb of fet and all that came across the border okay in my opinion that's 2500 lb too much yeah during the Biden and Harris Administration it's exceeding 14,000 per year where do you think that's going that's going to our youth that's going to high schoolers college students that's going to adults these innocent people are dying because of What what is happening and if you look at her uh what I think it was just this past month they just

admitted that they have lost over 300,000 illegal children where do you think these children are going they're trafficked and I'm extremely passionate about human trafficking I think it's one of the most important um focuses that we need to have right now and in my opinion again and in my experience within human trafficking the conservatives are the Ones pushing this Kamala is ignoring it Kamala is not the one going to visit the Border she went and visited the border she went to the only part of the border that is safe that they're not coming through and

she said we don't have a problem here nobody's coming through that's BS she's lying and you say Trump's lie I hate all kinds of Lies but when you can say Trump's an avid liar you got to look at how common is lying during her speech at the DNC last week She was saying that those individuals at January 6th were armed individuals with an intention of shooting people in the capital that is not true so I can admit where Trump has lied in the past every body lies that's not good but you also need to have

the balls to admit where Kamala has lied where Biden has lied where their Administration has lied yeah so first of all I think that it is important to hold all politicians everybody in a position of our Accountable I'm not going to sit here and say that Biden has never lied a day in his life I'm not going to sit here and say that Harris has never a lied a day in his life I you know can't confirm that Harris said that at the DNC or said that at the southern border if she did say those

things yes those would be lies um now you want to talk about this wouldn't that be a question of her character then uh yeah of course but what I'm voting for here isn't going to Be the candidate that doesn't lie at all it's going to be the candidate that would lie less within this respect and no one lies more than Donald Trump why do you believe that character affects somebody's um I guess impact as a leader yeah sure because I think when we're voting for someone when we have a leader right this isn't just someone

who's going to try to impact our lives in good ways through policy but it's also someone that we'd want to be Ourselves we are championing or sorry we are championing these two people KLA Harris and Donald Trump we want to see virtues reflected in them that we would also like reflected in us and when we're platforming Donald Trump who's been held Civ liable for sexual abuse has sexualized a fifth grader on CBS 1992 has cheated on three of his wife's one with a porn star and was convicted of 34 felonies and tried to Stage jauda

overthrow our government we don't see Those good virtues reflected you said you wanted to talk about the Border do you mind if I ask you a question about that go for it phenomenal so Biden and Harris they attempted to influence bipartisan border legislation in 2023 it was lankford's Bill who was a republican that was also Trump endorsed this was a good border act it would have uh phenomenally reduced uh the impact of the crisis it would have reduced Crossings it would have made the Asylum Seeking processes uh quicker uh it was a good bill but

what happened was Trump called the Republicans in the house and the Senate and told them to vote against it how can you say that Donald Trump cares about the southern border when he told republicans in Congress to vote against this bill so the crisis would continue and he could paint it on that today to convince people like you to vote for him real quick everybody so during Trump's Administration ation in Exchange for $25 million to build a border wall that would protect our country he had an act that he wanted to pass that would allow

illegal immigrant children that have graduated throughout High School to be accepted through citizen I answering my question no because you're just asking education policy questions this isn't impacting America so compare to your wait how else do how else do presidents impact America policy and Trump wanted to pass this This law that would give these graduating illegal immigrants citizenship guess who shut it down the Biden and Harris Administration they vote they voted against it the Biden and Harris administ yes hello howy welcome back well okay so you keep bringing up the border and you keep bringing

up the Senate Bill lanford's Bill absolutely the Senate Bill never passed you want to know why what did pass was Hr2 which again has been sitting on Schumer's desk which actually closed the Border talking to Brandon Jud president of border patrol what I can tell you is the Senate bill was better than what it is now with 14,000 people coming through the border every day and 300,000 migrant children missing feared sold into sex slavery now hr2 did close the border and that is the one that actually passed the house that Schumer has ignored so I'm

really sick of hearing oh Trump stopped The Senate Bill the Senate Bill didn't pass you know why because it was a bad Bill it codified The Invasion okay so first of all no it was not a bad Bill and second of all the reason it didn't pass is because Trump called the republicans in Congress and told them not to pass it right we see one do you mind if I do you do you mind do you mind if I I finish without interruption Congress does not vote on Senate bills uh yes we' see that Senate

Like if a bill was made in the Senate it' go to the house back to the Senate exactly and it never made it out of the Senate so therefore it's it's it went to the house right and no it never made it out of the Senate I I talked to Senator Mike Lee about that it never got out of the Senate because it was a bad Bill however HR hr2 did you mind if I fin hr2 did get out of the house ma' with all due respect with all due respect you don't Want to hear

about hr2 that actually secured the I would I would love to hear about hr2 however I would also like to finish what I was saying about Well everybody's heard for the last 19 minutes what you had to say okay about this okay I got a minute um as far as Camala Harris being better than Trump she's destroyed the Border she's been absent nobody knows where she is six months ago even the media was saying she was the wor worst vice president in History as far as how has she destroyed the Border she's hasn't done anything

about it they have walked away she hasn't gone there she hasn't talked to border patrol she hasn't met with border okay I'm confused because the last person that came up said that she had gone there now you're saying that she had an hour from San Antonio after she met with Lester Holt and Lester said you haven't been to the Border she goes I haven't been to Europe either so that Was in September 2021 you know that's who we're talking about so that was inun 2021 she went in july2 I would like to preface here that

the Biden Administration has passed an executive order on the border and we today term and no it's not just because it's an election term they tried to L lankford's Bill through the Senate through the house Trump called them and told them to left the if you were Starving one second' if you you won seconds we're not we're not going to get I just I feel like I can't get anywhere with you feel like I can't get anywhere with you because you so how do we find Middle Ground we do that by allowing each other to

speak without interruption I'm willing to do that for you are you willing to do that for me super fun my next claim is conservatives don't actually care about family values uh yeah so I don't agree with That at all whatsoever us conservatives main core issue is caring about family keeping the family unit together you mind if I ask you a question yeah of course go ahead so then why do you turn around and Champion Donald Trump who's cheated on three of his wife's one with a porn star and has ongoing civil litigation against him in

which he determined that he was guilty of sexual abuse that's something that's very personal and you have to have been there In order to know what exactly goes on marriages are very tough there's something that's something that's very difficult and again it's we don't know what happened you know yeah he has filled marriages but many people have filled marriages okay do you mind if I ask you another question yeah go ahead yeah so you said that you really care about the family unit of course yeah I don't see how like any conservative or Trump supporter

could say that they care About the family unit uh because of how hard yall fight for pro-life legislation so uh voting for pro-life legislation without good reason what this leads to is the destruction of the family unit you're Shifting the American Focus away from financially well off adults that consent to to start a family that desire to have kids to forcing 18 19 20y old boys and girls into starting a family because the state isn't allowing the woman the access to healthcare that she Deserves it leads to higher rates of poverty it leads to lower

rates of employment lower rates of education and lower qualities of Life all things considered another point would be right uh conservative stance on being anti anti IVF right I think that IVF serves as a savior uh for like what for family units that are wanted to be by many of American citizens your first point of being for pro- life is that is a human life that is a child in and of itself it I always hear con the argument of you know if men were the ones having babies then it would be a different situation

maybe but that's not the case the case is that women are the ones that bear children and that is a life unto itself and therefore it is deserving of its own human rights and its own human life um and you brought up many points which can you repeat for me so I can yeah yeah of course if you uh feel free to like you know cut me off if I'm talking too fast Or if you want me to slow down these points you know I want to make sure that we could try to have yeah

me to me to my other points were being anti- I think that IVF allows right American citizens to start a family when they wouldn't uh otherwise be able to being anti-f prevents them from starting a family another point would be being anti-lgbtq plus saying that you care about family values unless it's two men or unless it's two women and then it's morally Abominable uh and then yeah the third point would be just championing Donald Trump who's cheated on three of his wies one with a porn star has sexualized little girls and has been held Civ

liable for sexual abuse sure so on one hand I kind of agree with you because I don't think that the average conservative cares about family enough but I would say that conservatives care a lot more about the family unit then liberals then people on The left especially like was brought up when it comes to the pro-life issue when it comes to promoting the whole LGBT like all of these things are generally anti-am and liberals are also generally very individualistic while conservatives have always been more on the side of conserving the family un know okay I

don't I would strongly disagree that Liberals are going to be more individualistic I I mean like you know if we just look at Trump in the policy He passed while he was president can you name one policy he influenced to get past that benefited the low or the middle class more so than the top 1% I don't know that has I'm when I'm speaking about individualistic on the terms of economics yes I would say conservatives are more individualistic as in we're not socialists we're not wanting to redistribute wealth yes socialist do you know can you

real quick can you define Socialism for me when I'm speaking about socialism I'm talking about the redistribution of wealth and like promoting the welfare system okay so I mean socialism like is just a mode of production so it just has to do with the workers owning the means of production the only reason like I'm pointing this out is because I feel like uh Maga Republicans conservatives as a whole have really misconstrued socialism communism Etc but one last question for You um here you said that promoting the lgbtq plus Community is anti- family how so because

for instance I mean conservatives and people on the right have more okay sorry hello sir nice to meet you hey nice to meet you too you've been EXC you've been excited to come up here yeah this one I think this one's interesting so first I also wanted to know why you think Democrats are better as family Values and conservatives of course great question so first of all if we look at this from like an economic perspective I'd say caring for the low and the middle class promoting like social uh social benefits a good example would

be the child tax credit KLA Harris wants to raise that to $6,000 for every new vote me out soon I'm going to make my point then they're going to vote me out I'm going to go give me one second guys give me one second I think what's really Interesting and I wanted you to bring it up but I'm just going to bring it up again you were talking about when to start a family I think that's really interesting I think the choice to start of family is when you have sex um personally and you know

someone will probably be more informational than me about this but I think that having sex is when you take that risk if you want to call it that take that risk of starting a family it's your Responsibility to become a parent become a father or a mother and I think um I I forgot it was ibf is that what you said that helps is that is that help with abortion is that correct no IVF is inverso fertilization right this allows right certain like Partners who wouldn't be able to conce like naturally to still have a

child and I would like to respond to your claim there about this idea that engaging in sex is when you commit to starting a family that's a great reason Why I think conservatives don't actually care about family values we know that our youth will continuously engage in Intercourse we know that we will see people that do this for fun outside of the context of wanting to start a family I'd say right pushing the traditional value uh that you know sex leads to a kid and you're obligated to that you have to deal the consequence right

is antithetical to carrying about family values because when you do that you Force unwanted children into ready households I [Music] more okay howdy hi so the claim that you're saying about conservatives not caring about family values let's kind of backtrack a little bit because Donald Trump himself I think he's kind of a new wave of republicanism and a lot of people kind of seem to forget that so conservatives yes the old Republican party they did see that the oldfashioned Traditional values maybe were not ideal for for certain family Dynamic situations that you're claiming you know

gay lesbian whatever but I think the Republican party has definitely changed its Viewpoint and its value system quite a little bit and now with log laws and legislations you can I can pretty much guarantee you that almost every Republican in this room would not be opposed of LGBT rights and and people marrying people of the same sex so That's one claim and then if we want to talk about family values the Democrats they tend to hypersexualize Children a lot in Hollywood I work in the entertainment industry and I constantly see many investors constantly pushing for

these rhetorics and there's nothing to be said about it and unfortunately I'm exposing myself a little bit by just saying this because it's very controversial for me to work in an industry that's constantly fighting for Children to consistently be human trafficked in Hollywood I have so many friends that have tried to be sexualized under this propaganda and it's really saddening you know I I can agree because I used to be a liberal myself so I can side with you on certain things but you know my mother who grew up in a very Democratic Vision she

herself also views that abortion is very sinful and it's unfortunate I can agree with you on the fact that people should have a right to Their own body and we're not saying that they shouldn't that's why hence Donald Trump did State many times that the state should be involved with those legislations and not himself in situations such as people who are raped and all of those nuances you know it's it's yes go ahead so just a quick question about abortion do you agree with like giving the states the ability to legislate on that well we

give the States legislation on many things so you Do agree so do you think that abortion is murder I think it is because so do you think that we should leave murder up to the states well I think leaving the murder cases up to Democrats is a little appalling if you look at the the crime rates that are happening with all these children being killed and murdered constantly you know Catholics believe that when you kill a child you know that's basically the ultimate mortal sin and there are many sins that we can Discuss Donald Trump

having Affairs yes nobody's denying all those cases but at the end of the day the biggest mortal sin that we talk about in the Bible is killing another human Okay so a human who has a heartbeat in the womb yes I'm not opposed to people having the right to their body but I think at the end of the day you know you if you were to ask yourself if God was real you better hope and wish that he isn't because you go to heaven and he asks you why you killed All those humans it's compared

to genocide with Hitler here's here's my thoughts on that so first of all like I I don't want to like uh tell you that your religion is false that it's not my goal in fact that's not what I'm going to do I want to take a different approach right so I'd say that Christianity is inherently faith-based right it's something that you can't justify outside of your own faith it's something that has a lot of Philosophical issues right it's something uh that you know exists in a realm apart from you know how we would conventionally justify

policy that we'd want to pass say when we're uh justifying Economic Policy uh you know we'd uh evaluate its outcomes we'd look at what it would cost to the people and we'd use that information that empirical evidence to justify if it's good or bad but when you legislate on the basis of your faith it doesn't allow you that Room because you're just kind of using like your speculatory beliefs to justify the legislation correct and I'd say one last thing here right during like uh Annabella May slavery here at home in the US we saw Christian

nationalists using like Leviticus 5: 44-46 of the Bible to justify the enslavement of of black people at the time uh taking away their right so my question to you would be what is The Logical difference between Christians 200 years ago using The Bible to justify the enslavement of black people and a Christian today using the Bible to take away access stealth care from women I don't think we could think of a logical distinction there and that's why I'd say faith is best to be practiced in the confines of your own home and your own life

so then why did Gavin new some ban people from practicing and praying in their own home during the an Administration Gavin Nome locked everyone down find them $900 just For practicing their religion there are many people in Pasadena there is a Pasadena Church locally and they were find $900 Gavin new some prioritized gyms facilities recreational centers and Catholic nuns were describing their distress over this so what happened to freedom of speech what happened to uh democracy cuz clearly you guys are constantly promoting that right but it seems like it's a communistic approach to our society

okay can you define Communism for me real quick communism is someone who constantly dictates what's happening and they average out everyone for the minor for for the majority everyone has to have the same houses I mean you look at Cuba everybody has to have the same houses every if you go to a Latin American country they are not pro-abortion they are not okay so real quick that's not what communism is communism is a stateless classless moneyless society right and like once Again right this rhetoric from a right just kind of calling anything that they don't

like communism just kind of reminds me of the Red Scare in the well it's the same way with Democrats you don't like something you tend to attack the right because you hate everything they go for the lgbtq communities they are constantly promoting propaganda this you just said if I don't like Democrats Democrats are constantly pushing for openness and acceptance with The lgbtq community and many organizations and then guess what as soon as you go against the r rhetoric as soon as you believe in God all these LGBT communities are yes okay thank you for the

conversation sorry welcome back yeah actually let me check your in really quick I last time of course there a lot of different claims different topics that was on this exact question but one thing I do want To state from the like the beginning is this debate is Democrats versus Republicans not Trump versus whoever they have an office Kamala or whatever so I really want to focus on Republican policies have been pushed throughout history to now and not separate things that two individuals say so I want to go on to abortion abortion was talked about a

lot when it comes to family values yeah I really don't think when if a party is pushing for adoption to raise a Child versus murder that's not shying away from family values that's not against family values because if that was really true how come in pretty much every single state to date if somebody is to term or carrying a child and they get murdered is a double murder it's not a single murder it's a double murder sure so if the if the judicial system if the judicial system looks at it that way shouldn't abortion be

looked at the same Way or is it based on the person decide oh yeah I could kill somebody and not yeah I could explain that too so first of all I would like to tell you why I'm pro-choice that's because I don't value right a unicellular life form that doesn't have the ability to uh display uh like first person subjective experiences right I don't value the fetus until it has that ability that comes at about 20 through 24 weeks but now that we got that out of the way you You do ask a great question

right how can I say that abortion isn't murder then turn around in support legislation uh that would like you know allow someone that un like that kills a mother that is pregnant to be charged with double homicide well I could tell you through an analogy let's say you have a car uh what kind of car do you drive I drive a Malibu you drive a Malibu okay so if you go up to your Malibu I mean after we're done debating here and you Break the windshield did you do anything wrong I mean no it's your

car it's your property you can make that decision it depends on what view you look at it well I me well let's think about it this way if you go up to your car and you consent to breaking your car's windshield you didn't do anything wrong there you have a right to do that but if someone else just walking down the street goes up and breaks your car's windshield without your consent did they do something so I Maybe I mean if you if you if you okay for example let's say this if I go out

on the street right now wait do you I just answer my question so I can explain this analogy to you go ahead go ahead so if someone else like walking up the street breaks your car's windshield without your consent did they do something and that's the same way I think about right the right to I would Define murder as the unjustified termination of a human being's life and I'd say it is Justified when the mother would do it as she would have the right to as a fetus is presiding within your uterus but if not

some non-consenting third party walks up and unives her and the fetus within her room without her consent that is unjustified good to meet you good to meet you as well man all right so I think your first claim you were saying that because Donald Trump has this past and this history that therefore he's Anti-am and then therefore the entire Republican base is anti- family is that your argument I'd like to make two Corrections here so first of all that's not like the only reason why I'd say this it's just like one of it's one of

your arguments and then and then second of all I wouldn't say that every conservative ever on the face of you know planet Earth is uh you know doesn't actually care about family values for this reason I just say that this is Going to be typically true okay so you think just because Donald Trump is the Republican candidate that therefore typically conservatives or Republicans are anti family well I'd say the consideration of who the Republican party is championing Donald Trump a consideration of like the consequences of pro-life legislation while not having good reason to that legislation

in the first place along with being anti-f and anti- lgbtq plus are going to be four Good reasons right so okay so let's look at Democrats then okay are you going to say that Democrats are anti-am because they elected someone like Bill Clinton and he cheated on Hillary with Monica Lewinsky like is that you know cuz I think if you are going to say that Trump makes the Republicans anti- family you're going to have to say the same thing about Democrats and some of the candidates that they've elected not necessarily right I I think if

like Bill Clinton hey hey let him let him talk let him talk when Democrats voted for Bill Clinton did they know like because they had a crystal ball that he was going to end up cheating on his wife with Monica Linsky no they didn't but when you're going to vote for in November do you have the prior knowledge that he cheated on three of his wife he sexualized a little girl on an interview Democrats voted not to impeach him okay right so aren't all the Democrats in the house That voted to not impeach him now

anti uh anti family well first of all I give you four considerations why I'd say that the conservative voter base is going to be anti- family that's going to be one but I would say that yes we have to one argument at a time well I mean I wouldn't say that yeah this alone is necessary in saying that all conservatives Are anti- Family I'd say it's one of the considerations I would say that yeah like the Democrats in Congress that didn't elect to impeach uh like uh Bill Clinton probably didn't do the right thing there

uh but then additionally I'd say even when we look at legislation from the Democratic platform versus the Republican one I mean the Democratic platform uh you know wants to uh wants to federally protect all women and girls right to access abortion right that's going to make sure that unwanted kids aren't placed into unready households the Democrat platform Wants to raise the child tax credit to $6,000 so I mean you're being pushed on this argument and then you're just bringing up other arguments you're not actually addressing my claims but additionally I don't think you can say

oh just because I'm going to vote for this candidate because I like their policies means I'm therefore anti- family and I think you have a lot of Republicans myself included that are very that are very Pro family and that You know want those things and are disgusted by Trump's previous Behavior but that's not our voting philosophy our voting philosophy is based off of policies and what we think are going to be best for the country that doesn't mean we don't have disagreements with Trump and his personal life and I think with literally any candidate you're

going to have disagreements on it's different policies that they like and different personal behaviors and actions In their life that does not mean that therefore I'm anti- family because I'm going to vote for Donald Trump Well here here's the way I'd put it I don't see how you could call yourself pro- family turn around platform Donald Trump with his you know an anti family pass cheated on three of the wies one with a porn star and vote for his legislation that in turn is anti family as well such as anti that's not that's not our

voting philosop you said that you voted on the Context of policy but this is also considering the policy that he wants to enact thanks for the conversation man my next claim is Democrats are more patriotic than Republicans I'm sorry I'll let you go next I'm going to be quick hello sir I I would I would love to talk to him hey welcome back down okay just for everyone's sake um I want you to tell me why you support your claim and then I'll leave and people can Yap at you okay Thank you you're welcome I

like this guy um thank you so much I really appreciate that so yeah I think that Democrats are more patriotic than Republicans because Republicans are currently platform forming Donald Trump and Donald Trump had like attempted to launch a coup on our federal government in an attempt to overturn and rig the result of the 2020 election and there's four reasons I say this the first reason I say this is Donald Trump capitalized on the January 6 riots to pressure Senate in to postpone the vote the second reason I say this is because Donald Trump sent fake

slates of electorates to seven different states to cast thick certificates of ascertainment into college to be certified as real by Mike Pence the third reason I say this is because well he pressure he pressured Mike Pence into signing those fake certificates of ascertainment and the fourth reason I say this is well this Process of trying to to circumvent our civil and electoral processes and literally trying to rig the outcome of the 2020 election is a direct threat and attack on our government and on our democracy and it is ignoring the voice of every single American

citizen that voted in the 2020 election you and everybody around this room and anybody at home if you voted in the 2020 election Trump tried to make your vote null by installing fake certificates of Ascertainment to make himself the president again and that is the worst internal attack that we have had on our country since the Civil War okay I don't agree but you guys can vote me out now Hello nice to meet you okay so really bold clear statement that democratics are very patriotic let's talk about the actions of the Democrats being very glorious

and loving our country well I would like to clarify clim is not that Democrats are very Patriotic it is that they are more patriotic than Republicans but I apologize for interrupting you okay no but I would like Clarity on what are those actions because in my understanding in Democrats being very patriotic is destroying the nuclear family burning down Flags um burning down buildings um I mean we see just destruction in our cities did you like see the trash and all the homelessness going out in La what is patriotic about Supporting all of that what is

patriotic about supporting all the drugs that are coming in all the things that were allowing the human sex trafficking allowing all these things and policies going on like what is patriotic about that what screams I love America of people you said you said that Democrats support right uh no no I'm just asking like what are the Patriotic acts that show because what patrio what patriotism means to me is kneeling for those who Have sacrificed for our country my father has served 30 years in the um military right that is 30 years that he is not

getting back that he has fought for his country laid down his life for what is patriotic that the Democrats are doing that are saying hey I'm going to lay my life down and not be egotistic and individualistic and I'm going to serve and look out for others look out for the next Generation what is it so that's what I'm asking to make that Statement clear what does that look like at the Democratic party I actually think that's a great question and the answer to your question would be a fight to protect and preserve the state

of our democracy I think that you listed off a whole cohort of claims there that were typically engaged in by democrats that have been anti-patriotic such as burning the flag such as burning down uh buildings and the riots and I agree with you right I think that those are clear Displays anti-patriotic behaviors do I necessarily disagree with them all the time no I don't think that it's wrong to burn the American flag if it's in protest of actions of the American government but my claim here is is that there's nothing less patriotic than supporting Donald

Trump a man that has already tried to destroy our country internally by overthrowing the results or sorry attempting to overthrow the results of the 2020 okay I completely Understand that statement I don't agree with that but we're not talking about Donald Trump we're talking about your statement that democratics are patriotic so I'm asking about the actions are what because we can keep tying and kamla and Donald into this but that they are not the reason of being a conservative or a Democrat it's the morals it's the values and the actions that you were reflecting understand

and the morals and the vales and the actions reflect doing a Democrat As a liberal what are you reflecting that's benefiting your country these socialism policies these individ policies these I oh I want to consume these egotistic policies these oh you should um Worship in closed doors in proximities don't open the Bible in school don't say the pledge allegiance all no yes just let me clarify we finish real quick so all these things that we see we're being forced as conservatives To shut that down to be quiet to be banned so how are we talking

about free speech freedom of religion loving and all this stuff these are all things that you guys are proclaiming but so do you agree with freedom of religion of course so then you wouldn't agree with Trump's attempted Muslim ban again we're not talking about Trump I'm asking for policies talking about how are Democrats really sure let's go let's go over them so first I think that I think that Fighting for the freedoms of all 170 million American women by reinstituting fedal protections for access to healthcare that's going to be caring about thetion I think that

yes I think that fighting okay just want to make that clear I'm sorry I just wanted to make that clear because there's a lot ofy to do that no I just wanted to make that clear so I'm on that same page you can continue okay yeah I mean I obviously think being in a room Surrounded by 20 conservatives you're not going to look at access to abortion as Healthcare I think no I'm sorry continue no worries this is a a dialogue you want a good fruitful dialogue let's continue I'm apologizing I just great yeah and

like understand that there's going to be an ideological separation there but from my side of the aisle I absolutely think that this is something that should be federally protected I think that infringing upon women's right To B autonomy bodly Integrity all because they want to preserve the life of a non-sentient or sorry like un a multicellular life form that doesn't have your mom think thought that about youen she was about to like she thought that you were just some some cells um my mom when when I was Weare I mean it doesn't care what she

thought I was that so you were just a bench of cell so that's what you're just believing in your CLA well I mean well my particular Claim was the reason why I'm pro choice is because I don't value the life of a uni or uni or multi you have life make that change you get to make that choice by having life and someone that doesn't have that voice to say like oh that's just a bunch of sell just abort it where where does that where does that stand how is that patriotic how is that loving

America yeah because it protects access to healthcare it protects appr kill babies killing children okay okay so do You think abortion is murder yes okay so do you I'm making that statement very so do you think that some women with iuds are murderers then because it is the case in some contexts and UD will allow for conception to occur meaning there's a unique human life there but then it will implant it will you know it will prevent its implantation into the uter line and killing it I don't support or believe in any of that I

fa that wasn't the question I asked you I asked you if They were murderers I have no comment on that well didn't you just say that abortion was murdered because it was killing a unique human life iuds can and do kill unique human life so when did this make women with iod's murderers well I again have no comment on that okay well see now now I can just reflect everything you were just asking me back to you how can you you're not going to Answer the question that I have asked you about again how are

these actions going to be more patrion patriotic I'd like to make it clear for the record that com on that that you you support killing babies okay good we're going to talk about IED let's move on forward what other actions have you seen that the Democratic party has just showed again I love America of course right so I thank you thank you for your time okay oh sorry she was in Go not all right so you said that Democrats are more patriotic than Republicans yes um because so can I would like to hear so how

would you describe the epic failure with the Biden Administration and how would you see it as being patriotic in the way that we left Afghanistan um well if you want to reference our Afghanistan pullout is not being patriotic or we should blame that on Trump because he is the one that Organized the pullout that's actually wrong he didn't he did I know the lawyers that worked with Jag for that operation and it was a long strategic pullout over the course of several years it was the Biden Administration that booked when they were going to leave

it was their operation with the military complex um under Austin that pulled that out it was an epic failure so are you agreeing that it was a failure okay well I mean if you seem you seemingly know More than me about the pull out from Afghanistan as far as I'm aware that was organized under uh by Trump's Administration do you see giving the Qatari Embassy to the Taliban as patriotic well I would like to uh just finish off here real quick so you see me know more than me about our pull out from Afghanistan I

was under the impr do you see what happened to bager Mar for base as patriotic okay ma'am do you mind if I Finish is that we'll see we'll see we see if I can interrupt you go ahead okay um well just what I what I had hoped to say there was you seemingly know more than me about our pull off pull out of Afghanistan it was one of the largest events that happened after Biden took office and also one of what I would consider one of the worst and most humiliating for America okay well if

I'm not if I can't like finish my statements I don't see how we're going to be able To have productive conversation do you do you know how many people are left American citizens are left in Afghanistan I do not know how many American citizens are left in Afghanistan do are you familiar with any of the planes that have gone back to try and pull some of these people out do you know who's operating those planes do you know that the federal government is n doing that that it's nonprofit organizations and that a lot of those

Nonprofit organizations were grounded in other countries and not allowed to enter in okay for out operations all right let's look at the so patriotically so patriotically speaking if I can't speak is is that something that's patriotic to you is leaving someone behind patriotic okay well if you will allow me to speak uh without any I'm waiting for you yeah yeah you're very quick with everybody else come on if you will allow me to speak without interruption we'll be able To have a hopefully productive conversation come on point okay well I'm I'm seriously I'm not going

to be able to make a point if you keep interrupting me like that's just like we no you're stalling you're stalling make your point was it patriotic that's yes or no was that patriotic for you were you embarrassed your family that's I'm not going to be able to give you a yes or no answer I'm going to have to give you a fleshed out answer I will address your Point if you could a flushed out answer you don't have a yes or no on patriotism leaving people behind in Afghanistan that we spent you're still not

allowing me to talk here do you mind if I finish yes or no well it's not a yes or no question I yes or no question I asked you yes or no it's very direct yes or no okay so what you trying to do is you're trying to force me into yes or no question when I can't even respond to the claims that you've made was it pat No you're you're dancing around the question because you don't want to answer it because it's going to make you look bad was not patriotic I think any American

citizen can tell that it was not patriotic it made us look bad it was embarrassing we all had doubts on what this was going to happen under this Administration just based on that alone and the fact that we still have people there that's embarrassing okay all right so if the Afghanistan pullout uh were to Have occurred as the way that you described it it would have been anti-patriotic it would have been bad 13 service members lost their lives I don't think that they deserve to do that I'm under the impression that Donald Trump had organized

that pull out while he was president executed under the Biden Harris Administration you're saying that's false we'll leave it up to track and also please please yo hey please let me finish please I' sorry for G you could cut that out please just allow me to finish here that's not patriotic okay so I would still say that attempting to overthrow our federal government with the use of a coup to rig an election would be less what would you say to somebody what would [Music] [Applause] you hey welcome down how you doing okay so I feel

like a lot of what this Question is holding is what is in the best for the American people right and like what is the most patriotic thing I like that and and I feel like a lot of what has been discussed today because I've heard it and a lot of people have said it is and then what you have addressed a lot is you don't think Trump is the best candidate right and then on top of that I feel like the problem is with a lot of people right now is there's a lot of issues

a lot of hot Topics a lot of things that we could go over and I think the problem is is when we're thinking about what is the best thing for the American people um a lot of the past four years have gone astray and and gone to garbage okay would you be able to demonstrate to me like how you think the Biden and Harris Administration has negatively impacted your life or the lives of other American citizens I feel like there's a lot of agendas that you've clearly want to talk About agendas but in terms of

like how they did well patriotically let's talk about what happened in Hawaii like Trump supported a lot or sorry not Trump Biden uh spent more money with Ukraine than what was happening in burning people in Hawaii do you know why and to Ukraine sorry do you know why we've sent money to Ukraine uh why we sent money to Ukraine because of the Budapest memorandum we signed a denuclearization agreement billions of dollars yes to People that are not even Americans and on top tell oh yeah okay so that's because of the Budapest memorandum that we signed

with them uh in the 1990s stating if they give up their nukes we'll defend them from a foreign entity if they're invaded that's what they did US sending Ukraine funding and weapons is nothing more than the US upholding our contractual in of an agreement that we made in the '90s [Music] Okay I know yeah well it looks like you are going to be finishing uh the episode off we have 30 seconds on the clock going to be able to respond to anything that you say so take it away yeah one thing that you said about

patriotism I mean I go to Trump rallies and I see people holding up American flags versus if you go to a Democrat convention you see nobody holding up an American flag maybe like one person or two people there will hold up an American flag so Patriotism to me is being proud of being American being proud to being from this country like I'm proud from being this country my family escaped communism from Cuba and they came communis came here for a better opportunity in loving America and that's what patriotism is about I appreciate you man thank

you yeah I think there were two reasons why Dean shows me I think I was probably one of the more respectful people that Disagreed with him and then the second reason is I think I I actually challenged him uh he had made a claim along the lines of Bill Clinton you know cheating on his wife with Monica Lewinsky and not being impeached by the Democrats in Congress and how that may reflect some anti-f family values I think that it was probably the best rebuttal that I received from anybody uh today first I want to shake

your hand I hope to have a respectful dialogue with You um my claim is that abortion is immoral or not justified and so I think it kind of comes down to four main reasons so the logically the argument is um to kill an innocent human being is morally wrong I'm sure you agree with that one um the second is that abortion is the killing of an innocent human being so therefore abortion is morally wrong so that's the logical argument but I think there's four points that uh you're going to bring up that determine Whether or

not a fetus is human or not so first is size second is level of development three is environment and uh fourth is degree of dependency so all those things kind of what I hear uh pro-choicers say fall under those categories and none of those categories determine human value or human worth uh you being valuable as a human is based um what one in the fact that you are a human like that you you are part of the human species but secondly I would say Because you are made in the image of God as well okay

and so that would be I think the basis of uh why I am pro-life okay um yeah let's have a conversation about this man so first of all I'll just tell you why I'm pro-choice so I'm pro-choice because I only value life forms that would fall into specific conjunction of traits I value any life form that has a conjunction between past or present and future subjective experiences and it's not until about 20 Through 24 weeks that that is true of a fetus therefore prior to that point I'm not going to associate value with the life

of that fetus um second of all you said that a human was valuable a because it's human and B it's made in the image of God um so um let's talk about that let's let's talk about the idea that you value it because it's made in the image of God and that is what makes you uh vote for pro-life legislation I don't think that we should be using Faith-based beliefs to uh vote for legislation why because when this has been used historically this has led to very negative outcomes um one individual might say that's not

true one moment so one person might say uh that slavery is okay because God said so and you're saying that abortion is wrong because God said so how do we distinguish between those two states see I never said that actually I gave a whole logical argument that's separate from Scripture but I but you agreed to my first premise so I don't even know why you're bringing it up it just seems kind of like a red herring um so you agree to my first premise that killing an innocent human uh person is wrong right I do

not so I don't think in all scenarios that ending the life of an innocent human being is wrong I wouldn't say that it would be wrong for fetus before 24 before 20 through 24 weeks for the reason it falls outside of that Conjunction of value I gave you it doesn't have the ability to deploy first- person subjective experiences and maybe you'll so what does that mean explain that to me um yeah so like a first- person subjective experience is uh you know like a type of qualia that we all experience and what you know gives

us an inference of the idea that you're sitting in a chair in front of a microph and you can engage with me in a subjective way um it's a little bit hard To explain but we could sum this up as Consciousness uh and then second of all uh let's see if maybe you agree with your first permise would do you say it is murder to pull the plug on a brain dead patient um yeah but I think that's irrelevant to the debate you say that that's murder and it's not irrelevant to the debate so do

you think that that should be made illegal yeah I think so to pull the plug in a brain dead patient Yeah if if that person is still alive then yeah we we don't we we cannot make that choice okay um we got to we we have to let nature take its course for that okay um maybe something else we could say here uh human life begins at the moment of conception yeah yeah I would agree to that okay and it's murder to kill it after that so would you say uh this was a question I

asked earlier would you say that women with iuds uh can be murderers because in some in some Contexts an IUD will allow for conception to occur but then it will IUD explain that so an IUD is a form of birth control it's inserted into a female's uh cervix I believe maybe uh I'll get fact checked and what it does is in some scenarios it can prevent conception of a unicellular zygote in others it will allow for conception to occur then implant uh then prevent implantation conception happens and then the uh the fetus is terminated that

is Murder okay so you'd say that some women with iods are murderers yeah okay do you think that all murderers should go to jail well yeah I do okay so then you'd say that some women with some forms of birth control should go to jail yeah and see now now we're on a red hearring though you're you're talking about you're talking about policy but what but you're avoiding the actual discussion actual discussion is what is a fetus what is The Unborn and your only Argument against that was level of development and you said you have

to be conscience that that that's what you value okay so first of all is that no is that correct yeah so only I only value life forms that have a conjunction of past or present and future subjective experiences but I would like to repeat know that line of questioning was not a red herin it was using your logic to imply AER but so one moment just allow me 30 seconds to to finish here right so The same logic you're using to imply that AB that abortion is murder and should be criminalized has also LED you

to the conclusion that women that use some forms of birth control should be sent to jail okay I don't think that's logic we should trust because of how ABS the conclusion here the problem no but here's the problem is that people within the pro-life movement disagree on that stuff so you can't use that to to discredit the entire pro-life I'm using That to discredit your St no but what every prolifer agrees on and what the heart of the issue is that you seem to be running away from is what is The Unborn and so your

uh your example of Consciousness falls into level of development but so does that mean that if we have someone and you said I think um subjective experiences and things like that as well does that mean if someone is born blind and deaf they're less of a human being because they have Because they can't have the same experiences as the rest of us so first of all I don't think that level of experiences like like I don't know newborn being less conscious than you or I that's not going to determine them to have less value my

statement would be if they have any subjective experiences they're going to have the same amount of value and that's going to be consistent across the board second of all I'm not using this determinator for moral value That being like first- person subjective experiences to evaluate what is or isn't a human uh a unicellular zygote from the moment conception is a human as determined by biologist right they have unique human DNA right my assertion here is that I do not value the fetus prior to that point because they lack this ability that is necessary uh for

them to be harmed they don't have wellbe they can't be harmed they don't have first- person subjective experiences and to say That all human life regardless of the point of its development including a unicellular zygote uh you know is just as valuable that's insane but you're putting a barrier on what is a human being yes you are you have to do and I mean we all put the barrier somewhere prolifer say I will clarify again it's a human being from the moment of conception not all human beings are are valuable of course okay what I

was saying is we we all put the barrier Somewhere and so prolifer are going to put the barrier on conception because that is when it is an independent human being uh but you're putting the barrier on Consciousness and I'm saying that's true so if you're going to put the barrier there the problem is is that the result of that view is that people with less consciousness have less value it is not yes it is right why is that not not not the case yeah because my conjunction for value is Meeting the conditions of having the

ability to deploy Consciousness right uh but if you deploy more Consciousness than another human that doesn't mean you have more value than them any level of of Consciousness right is going to yield the same amount of value as the next I think that as soon as a fetus gains this ability to deploy these first person sub subjective experiences that they have just as much value as not deploy Consciousness so what about if you have Someone that is unconscious that cannot deploy Consciousness can we just kill them no because they would still meet uh the conditions

of my conjunction for Distributing more value that being past or present Consciousness and future Consciousness right so if you meet and future Consciousness yeah okay so if they have the potential for Consciousness I do not think that the potential for Consciousness uh in the future on its own uh would yield a Morally valueable okay so now you're walking back on I am not walking back you did cuz you said question is the potentiality for can you let me finish because you've been complaining about everyone interrupting and that's fair but I need to I need to

make my point all right so you were saying that you were uh just saying about future Consciousness and that's that's exactly the argument with the pro-life is that they have the potential for that um for That Consciousness and again you're discriminating based on level of develop and if we were to discriminate against a a toddler or whatnot based off of level of development if that's what it means to be human then that introduces a subjective aspect kind of making talking points now right I've already clarified that this isn't what makes someone a human this is

what makes a human morally valuable I've also clarified one moment allow me to finish allow me to finish I've also clarified here that no I do not value potential for future Consciousness on its own I value it in conjunct to past or present I feel as if you are almost ignoring my argument conceiving of an argument okay well we have it on video of you not just saying past and present but you saying future so I mean you're walking back if you want to admit that that's that you're walking it back that's fine that's totally

fine but that's what you said Okay so youy that uh so yeah when the people at home watch this and scrub you know their YouTube uh you know bar at the bottom back they will see that I said pastor present Consciousness and future Consciousness yeah and future Consciousness exactly call conjunction exactly that's what I'm saying would you like me to describe to you what a conjunct is and why I would use that to dist value good Dialogue at the end of the day it's not just about me trying to change everybody else's minds but it's

also about me becoming a better person and holding better beliefs myself um I think that I definitely had uh some letdowns within the positions that I was arguing I could have known much more about you know our poll out of Afghanistan and I want to admit that in good Faith uh but ultimately speaking in this all things considered sense I think that I Definitely held up pretty well throughout the conversations and hopefully I'm able to make an impact upon the beliefs of anyone who may be watching this interview right now with some of the things

I said today I thought Dean was a great debator he definitely came with a lot of like news articles and a lot of facts what they want to say and kind of I think at the end of the day you have the facts it's how you construe them and I think he did Really well at construing the facts and everything uh he did make me kind of think a little bit um like I said he was really he came in really prepared so there are definitely a lot of things on there that I'm have to

go back and uh research on and just get more information on that you know I think he's a good kid I think that he's young I think that he needs a little bit more life experience to see what economies do under certain administrations and what They do under another just to clarify I don't believe that women get to high positions by sleeping to the top there are plenty of women that do work hard to get to where they need to go myself included you know um lots of friends and family that I know and so

many women around the globe they work so hard every single day to get to where they are even with the disadvantages that they are given but we were um specifically discussing KLA Harris's character she is Not one of them I think it's valuable but at the same time I felt like both sides were talking to a wall I I don't think he felt that he was being listened to and we the same with us we don't felt like that we were listened to uh I think this experience has been valuable whenever you get people to

just come and sit and discuss these hard issues I think that's a win um you know this is going to be on the internet people are going to watch this and hopefully this Sparks discussion in their lives and in their communities and so in that way I definitely think this was a good conversation to have