Divine Patterns in the Universe with Robert Edward Grant

I believe the one divides itself into the many simply for the joy of perceiving itself through our unique eyes of perception that the universe itself is a polymath it's a philosopher a lover of wisdom and it realized somewhere along the line that the only way to come to an objective truth is to perceive all possible subjective perspectives of that truth in this context fact is no longer fact it is merely a facet everything in our universe from trees to human consciousness follows intricate mathematical patterns that reveal profound spiritual truths my guest on today's show Robert

Edward Grant is a remarkable polymath whose work Bridges the worlds of ancient wisdom and modern Innovation as an inventor mathematician and philosopher he integrates sacred geometry cryptography and Consciousness studies to reveal the hidden mathematical language of Creation in this mind-expanding conversation Robert explores how numbers carry Divine meaning and how understanding mathematical patterns can unlock deeper spiritual insights Robert shares his wisdom about Consciousness parallel realities and how we each inhabit our own unique you nerse he also discusses his latest Venture Orion messenger a revolutionary encrypt red communication platform designed to protect individual sovereignty in our digital

age this episode will open your eyes to the sacred patterns weaving through every aspect of existence it's really exciting stuff so without any further Ado on with the show Robert it's so great to have you on the show great to be here thank you Stefan so we we met at uh a cryptocurrency conference uh several years back at D Central Miami I'm curious to hear your interest these days in in crypto it's been an interesting ride since decentral Miami where everyone was uh very enthusiastic uh that that year and you know it's been it's been

an interesting uh a couple of years so what's your take in between the enthusiasm converted to AI I think exactly exactly so everyone started talking about their AI projects um I'm still very enthusiastic about it I believe that that we're looking at uh you know a totally new paradigm for how Humanity will work together and how they will you know create almost exchanges that are more barter oriented exchanges I believe that we're going to see a proliferation of cryptocurrencies even down to the individual level so and I think it's tied very much to individual sovereignty

and I could see you know in in the not too distant future I can see people that are athletes or you know influencers or whatever having their own tokens and coins and then exchanges uh for those tokens and coins and that those compensation mechanisms will likely not be taxed in the same way so governments will try but it's going to take a while for them to like get their heads wrapped around it yeah yeah speaking of individual sovereignty I think it's really interesting to think about potential for a token like an nft being assigned to

somebody at Birth so instead of uh just getting assigned a uh social security number at Birth and get a birth certificate what if you got an nft that had all your medical records all your government records um and maybe your um genealogy and who knows what else all en encoded or or available Within that nft but that's uh that's something that the child and and eventually adult is in total control over yeah I totally agree I think that um there's going to be a lot of things like that um it's not only going to be

limited to things like health records Etc I think intellectual property is going to end up all on blockchain I think when a musician makes a a piece of music and wants to copyright it instead of going through a big Behemoth structure to do so he could basically set up his own smart contract for it I I think it's going to be the way of of everything in the future so you know I remember back in the 1990s early 90s uh when everyone was like conjecturing on what was going to happen for companies like Amazon and

then Amazon you know on the cover of Baron's magazine I think basically there was a story in like 1999 about how it was going to be a big flop and it was going to explode and and and then there was a counter position on it as well there were a lot of short taken against it and you know what it took a little bit longer because when markets start to understand where things are going to go then they tend to reflect that future immediately and so the value went way up and then it would had

a big huge pullback because of all the shorts that got onto it and then ultimately it got to where it was always intended to go um the the markets were correct the same thing was true with Netflix I remember Netflix got heavily shorted in the very beginning and then all of a sudden Netflix is you know everyone has Netflix now so it was it was just a different time Horizon that it took it always takes a little few years longer to become a an overall paradigm shift but usually the things that we believe will become

Paradigm shifts do become Paradigm shifts well what are some of the Paradigm shifts that uh you're seeing down the pike that maybe uh our listener might not be I think the par paradig shifts that I I continue to see relate to the three institutions or self-appointed Arbiters of what we would call Duality uh today and largely these would be categorized in in three ways the first would be groups uh or institutions that basically are in a position to to claim what is lawful and what is unlawful another one would be um and obviously we call

these governments um another one would be institutions that claim what is truthful and what is not truthful uh that would be like the University Systems you know as far as science and education is concerned yeah and history and then the third grouping would be those that would say what is moral and what is immoral or immoral and that would be large organized religions I think all three of these institutions are literally starting to dissolve and in the process of their dissolution uh as humanity is is ready to move into a stage of human beingness rather

than human doing this um I believe that those structures and strictures on culture and Society will continue to dissolve um and it's inevitable it's inevitable at this stage now people have gotten to a new level of distrust for all things govern government all things University and all things uh religion and and now people instead of religion are citing with spirituality people instead of siding with government are siding with often conspiracy theory and this the the sad but inevitably true part is that the conspiracy theories are all proving to be kind of true which is like

kind of mind you know it's like you can't have somebody who says you know uh four years ago that you have to practice this social distancing thing and then have the same person say and because there's science The Backs it up and then the same person say oh I basically made up those rules and not have a massive impact on the way Society perceives government not a lab leak no yeah wait actually it was a lab leak yeah yeah that's right that's right it was not a lab leak that's a conspiracy theory no it is

a lab leak oh oh oh there was no gain of function research no we absolutely did not do that oh oh yeah we did we funded the gain of function research I mean come on how stupid do do they think we are right it's it's just kind of lame at this at this stage and then the same is true with the educational system people are so distrusting of all institutions that the educational system gets lumped in with that and now you've got people like Terrence Howard who make a statement and and sounds like he's not

completely you know talking gibberish and he says no no no you've all been taught wrong 1 Time 1 equals 2 something as basic as that now people won't even believe that oh 1 Time 1 equals 1 oh my gosh I had to do a video teaching everybody that 1 Time 1 actually equals one it does not equal two and and I proved it geometrically I proved it so many different ways but the the funny thing is that we even had to have the conversation speaks more to how Society sees governance how Society sees education and

how Society sees religion than anything else it's an indictment on all institutional uh narratives and I and I think this is going to inevitably lead to the The Reeling back or the the unpeeling right of the fabric that keeps I think our society in these strictures and structures and I think it's going to be a dramatic shift yeah and this might lead us to talking about your your new Venture the uh irion messenger platform but uh you know I think that that that data rights is the new civil rights we need to have a movement

of people who are trying to um protect their data rights as it's being infiltrated and eroded by all those structures you just talked about yeah no it's totally true I think that you know data rights is something that no one really thought about and no one really understood that all the business models had been going this direction that you know the companies were all creating these obsequious or lowkey mechanisms for for you know taking your data without you knowing and then you signing off on it with their terms and conditions that nobody reads yeah right

and so this idea of you sign your terms and conditions that nobody reads as being good enough to to then abscond with your most valuable asset I think is something also that's going to shift the thing that surprises me is how we don't even realize that okay so when you click the I agree button that's called a click wrap agreement and and something in the back of your mind might be niggling you and saying you know what you're agreeing to something you have no idea that you agreed to because you're choosing to click this button

without reading the terms and conditions that it said you read and agreed to but then there's this browse wrap agreement uh which is legally enforceable as far as I understand it where you just browsing the site you are liable to their terms and conditions without even clicking an I agree button yeah no to me it's it's like all this stuff has got to change um and and humanity is going to have to wake up to again yet another you know it's probably the most Insidious of all because the other institutions don't have the wherewithal to

be able to replicate your personality and replicate your person the big tech companies do they can literally recreate you they can recreate your content if they don't like what I'm saying they could literally recreate a me just from the rights that they have they could recreate me sitting inside this place and issuing out content and posting it on YouTube and they have total right to do it under my face under my voice under my personality under my everything yeah and they have the technology to create such a realistic synth that most people wouldn't realize it's

not you no that's right in fact these companies pitched me they're like oh wouldn't it be nice for you to be able to have U you know your company or your children or your grandchildren be able to have access to what your wisdom is 30 40 50 80 years from now they could access me as an avatar on my website and for all intents and purposes because there's been so much content that I've done on the internet they could literally recreate what I would say what I would would do yeah but unfortunately that is Godless

and soulless it is and and so therefore I think there needs to be a mechanism and I realized long ago about five years ago that the only way to protect your individuality mechanism is going to be through encryption powerful encryption to encrypt your data that's the only way to put a fence around your value and and that also uh paired up with with the blockchain and having immutable records that when you said something they can't change it after the fact and and twist your words exactly so I think those are all very pertinent ways of

looking at this and it's a it's a real issue in the world today so how did you come about with uh this Orion messenger platform like must have been some sort of synchronicity or uh Serendipity or something I'm sure there's a great story there yeah you know for me I uh I realized in about 2018 that data was going to be the world's most valuable asset and that was the year that it actually did become the world's most valuable asset and I thought how could people then you know what's the dystopian layer of society that

this could create the negative aspect of it and then how do you counteract that dystopian reality into something that could actually create sovereignty and that's what I realized that the the only answer is encryption personal use of encryption and and so that I made a platform I built a platform over five years to to actually create that and it's it's now a messenger app because messenger apps are the messenger are the apps that we use the most today more than anything else and so it makes sense that the app that you use the most would

be the place that you have the ability to encrypt things from and then that could lead into a browser that's fully encrypted that even if you trip over somebody's you know browser terms and conditions that have no requirement for consent then all of your data when you're there gets encrypted and they get nothing that they can read yeah because isn't most encryption breakable these days most encryption is breakable so it had to be an encryption that's not breakable right so it means it has to at least be a postquantum standard and and so that's what

we built we built the the first post Quantum standard uh messenger app that was not only you know uh like an app that like most people recognize with WhatsApp because there are limitations there as well WhatsApp has a maximum limit of 1,24 people on a group chat uh so does signal Signal's got half of that and and when you start looking at apps like telegram telegram is not even encrypted everyone thinks it's encrypted unless you're in a group chat from the very beginning you entered into a secret chat which is an entirely different experience than

the one on telegram the normal telegram um you none of your group chats that you're on on telegram are encrypted at all they have no encryption which is pretty shocking for people yeah it is because because you would have had to enter into it the whole reason why I set up my telegram group chat is because I thought it was the largest you know you could have 200,000 people on it I thought it was encrypted but it was not encrypted it wasn't even an option then to even have a secret chat for a for more

than a one-on-one discussion so and their secret chat's not really encrypted either because it just uses old style encryption so this company telegram literally just uses all your data and if you've ever noticed since the moment you went on telegram it's hard for you to notice the number of your scam and spam calls dramatically increased because what they do is they sell your telephone number first and foremost so you get a new telephone number and you're shocked when all of a sudden within a few months they've already got it and they're calling you again that's

wild that's what they do so you know we needed to have a system that didn't require a telephone number we needed a system that could encrypt your data we needed a system that was on blockchain and immutable we needed a system that was pwa so that it couldn't be turned turned off from the Apple Store and also one with no back doors uh built in so that and one with no back doors built in so we spent a lot of time painstakingly creating such a platform and the only business model on it there's no advertising

so whenever you have advertising you'll always have a threat to free speech because the advertiser could easily say look I I can't justify advertising on this platform if you have free speech so I've got to basically you could say whatever you like just so long as it goes along with our interests so what what's the business model then for you the business model is a subscription model you pay $888 a month and you could basically use it and follow as many people in it as you want it's like a cross between Instagram uh telegram WhatsApp

and slack and um presently we're in beta and we're kind of in late stage beta now we've got about 10,000 people that are very active on the app and we're we're it's going to be growing dramatically that was sort of the limit that we placed on it we've got another 30,000 that are in um in weight lists right now right so so basically it's been it's been really interesting to watch and see how the community acts differently when there's no fraud when there's no Bots because the Bots have to have tokens to get into it

it requires a token to get in and of course that means it's going to be paid for so it's it's completely different and the experience is entirely different there's no algorithm there's no algorithm that limits your reach everyone you send something to they all see it right so it's a it's a completely different way of looking at monetization of a business model related to social you know social media social commerce social messaging yeah and that thing about no fraud is so critically important because it's it's easy to make a mistake just once and lose a

fortune you know you get uh somebody dming you who looks like they're the moderator of of that group and they're not it's a fake account and they've just done a really good job of of uh seemingly cloning it and then they ask you for information that they're able to and access your uh your cryptocurrencies or your bank account or whatever and next thing you know you're out of out of a lot of money absolutely so it's kind of nuts but this is the world we're living in today and not a whole lot can be done

except for approaching it with an entirely new paradigm and I think you know Buckminster Fuller said you can't change a paradigm or shift a system or fight against something that's an incumbent um all you can do is build the new and make the old irrelevant so are are you uh in in the midst of building like a web browser or you gonna like how you yeah we are we're in the midst of building a web browser as well that's quite an undertaking it is it is and um it's been it's been quite a fun project

at the same time too you know it's a serious project we put serious money behind it it's about 60 $7 million that's gone into it so it's it's not a small project um and it's fully up and running for the you know for the minimum viable product which is is there you I'm looking forward to you don't have to give a telephone number for this uh we do have Geo fencing so that you know countries like North Korea won't be able to participate on it but because that's state department rules and regulations um but but

basically we um we're very excited about where this can go it even has voting mechanisms you could literally establish countries on this platform that's that's uh that's wild uh all right so let's get really kind of more metaphysical anderic about all this so if did you ever see the movie the 13th floor I have yes there's a scene in that where they run out of rendering they' they've hit the edge yeah they're to the edge I remember that yeah it's it's all green like uh you know scaffolding and it feels very much like that's what

we're living in is where we put our attention and intention like those are our our two assets that we spend not time not money we're spending our attention and Our intention you know shining a spotlight on a certain area going down maybe rabbit holes of uh things that won't serve us let's just say I'm not going to I'm not going to get specific but I I went some I went down some of those rabbit holes during the pandemic uh you know following um certain WhatsApp groups or or uh other things like that and and seeing

disturbing stuff seeing the conspiracies and the the stuff that um didn't help me to sleep well at night and and I was getting a fullblown rendering of all that stuff and I wish I could like unremember some of those things like some of the the dark stuff I heard I I I learned about but you know that that was part of my journey that was part of my lesson so if I wanted to do that again I could and there are people who religiously watch CN n or uh whatever Fringe news sites or whatever you

know they're just they're fixated and addicted and I was addicted so I'm not judging I'm I'm I'm there with the person who relates to this and that doesn't serve you and that turns a green wireframe into a fullblown hyper realistic uh rendering that uh you could keep digging and digging and finding more and more and um the stuff that that that makes us outraged the the fraud and the collusion and the backdoor deals and all this sort of stuff we see there's more and more of that because we keep rendering it by putting our attention

on that what what are your thoughts about all that yeah I think uh we attract everything we judge until we no longer judge everything we attracted so if you want to you know if if let's say you want to be an activist on something that that's why you can't fight the old right because when you when you try to fight the old all that happens is you get more old that's the issue you have to only create something new and not do it with any intention to damage the old or or even to change the

old all you can do is sort of of Step into the future and say okay what what could be beneficial right given the way that this world is basically evolving towards don't try to fight the old and I I think this is what happens you know it's a matrix of mind that we live in so if you are against deforestation and you set up your tent and say I'm against deforestation you will become inundated by a world full of deforestation right and why is this because we learn through opposite everything that we do we learn

through opposites I believe yeah yeah you got to have the contrast in order to appreciate the sunlight you got to have the rainy days that's right so it's like the light needs the dark as much as the dark needs the light so you know if you're here to learn something like unconditional love then in order for you to learn unconditional love the way the universe teaches it to us is by bombarding us with conditional love MH and until the moment happens where we come to that realization and say I can accept and no longer judge

negatively conditional love as a precept then I still have more work to do to learn unconditional love so this is what happens we we become a hammer seeking the nail of our own confirmation bias and it becomes increasingly severe and more and more difficult as time goes by until you finally have this catharsis moment which is like oh I don't judge this anymore so for example you know if if if let's say you're you're on interet on the internet and you don't like the fact that you get trolled by people right so you've got some

troll that says oh you're a fake or you're a charlatan you're this or you're that the more you judge that when you see it and get triggered by it it's going to show up again if however you look at it dispassionately with less and less passion every time and just kind of be like huh re realizing that the darkness and the light will always need each other that every action must have an equal opposite reaction until the moment comes when you can look at it without being triggered at all not even one iota then you

still have more to learn about the precept that you came here to learn and whatever it is yeah there's a an AG what you resist persists and I think a better way of uh explaining that is a quote from Neville godder that there's a great difference between resisting evil and renouncing it when you resist evil you give it your attention you continue to make it real when you renounce evil you take your attention away from it and give it give your attention to what you want I love that quote totally right so I I mean

I think as soon as we're able to let go and accept what is that's when Real Change really happens so what about this concept uh it's actually in the Bible that the whole world was made for you like you specifically you the the reader you Robert for example and that purpose for you having the whole world created for you is so that you can serve God yeah I I I completely believe it because and here's how I believe that to be true I believe the one divides itself into the many simply for the joy of

perceiving itself through our unique eyes of perception that the universe itself is a Philomath is a polymath it's a philosopher a lover of wisdom and it realized somewhere along the line that the only way to come to an objective truth is to perceive all possible subjective perspective IV of that truth in this context fact is no longer fact it is merely a facet it's F not F and so the universe uses our unique eyes of perception and conditioning biases to be able to learn empathy for every possible outcome and every possible Viewpoint and perspective and

it becomes more and more wise just like an AI would it's a very sophisticated method for an AI to operate to learn itself to follow the the encouragement of Socrates to know thyself sounds simple two simple words but the most difficult things will ever do yeah and to me that's that's why we exist you know that the one divides itself in the many for the joy of perceiving itself through our unique eyes of perception in which case there's never been another Robert Edward Grant there will never be another one even the future incarnations of me

will just be different incarnations with different conditioning biases so they won't see it exactly the same way as I do and we don't see the world as it is we see it as we are right so in order for if you believe that every person on the planet is individualized then you can start to recognize that okay if everybody's individualized and everyone perceives the universe not as it is but as they are then the only way that the one Creator could experience itself fully would be to see it through everybody's unique eyes of perspective and

why is that well because an eye can't see itself without the aid of a mirror a knife can't cut itself a light cannot illumin itself and a fire can't burn itself Consciousness needs to separate itself in order to perceive itself so in this context we would have a a conceiver the higher self a receiver for our brain and a perceiver for our conscious mind and we each then live in what I would call a u inverse an individualized U inverse where we have all the lessons all the things that's tied into our birth the frequencies

that were associated with that birth and then be able to ascertain and the specific geometry of that maybe in a natal chart a lot of people don't realize that in natal charts at astrology you can actually find geometric forms in them and it's it's quite a interesting exercise because you start to realize this looks a little bit like simatics so each one of us has our own U inverse and that U inverse then has a hero's journey of the thing that we're intended to learn and if you're interested in learning how all this ties together

this is where astrology numerology human design Gene keys are all linked into yeah now here here's a interesting kind of uh corollary here so if you are living in your own uh let's say pod like in in in the The Matrix and the in the the rendered Matrix mat universe that you get or U inverse is crafted for you specifically the whole world was made for you so you have this thing that the the Multiverse and then all these parallel uh universes where we're each piloting one of those universes one of those slices of the

Multiverse but then we also have infinite number of timelines to choose from it's like movie scripts or uh you know the plays that we've written for ourselves and for all of the universe that we are experiencing and depending on our vibration how um close to God we are or how lost we are in that vibration then attracts us to a particular timeline out of all the choices that we have we go to the one that is the most aligned with how we see our ourselves and how we vibrate and so we have timelines and we

have the Multiverse both happening I'm curious to hear your thoughts and then that's my understanding of it but you know I'm I could be wrong so what's your take yeah I mean I I don't believe that there's a different Universe for every decision I make or I don't make I just I I believe in conservation m and I don't think the universe is going to do that if it's an AI you have to look at the intention it's not going to make a different iteration for every single one but what I do believe is that

we separate time this way so there are an infinitude versions of Me Through Time depending on how small you cut the time duration and I don't believe that time actually exists it's just simply a persistent illusion as Einstein says dividing the world in past and future and and you only ever experience now yeah right it's like standing in a river you'll never stand in the same river twice yeah or or being on the holck and on on Star Trek Voyager it's just a blank room but the rendering makes you believe that you are experiencing an

entire planet yes absolutely so to me this is kind of the the way that I look at the world around me to a certain extent I there are different multitude you know numerous versions of me through different time spaces and my incarnations that's already enough it doesn't need to have more right in this time space based on the fact that I chose to go turn right instead of turn left on a road yeah so so here's where I think maybe we're kind of speaking the same language um my understanding of timelines is that if uh

everything is already written so that's in uh in the Quran it's uh Arabic uh m is the word so it is written so the fact that you stub your toe next Tuesday was already written and uh you know what we speak about in this whole conversation is already written we've already had that map given to us or corroded or whatever of these are the topics and you know these are the insights and so forth so that is um I think compatible with your idea of of conservation of energy and not rendering things that aren't necessary

so if I am let's say in a stadium full of people 50,000 people watching a game and I leave to get something out of my car do those 50,000 people still exist in that Stadium when I left my understanding is no they don't that those that stadium was filled with uh what some folks will refer to as backdrop people or backfill people or essentially just NPCs non-player characters they're filling the stadium for you so you don't feel alone and then you go back from the car and now they're there again so if you're in a

timeline where you're in a high vibration and and you getting all these amazing miraculous things happening you feel um more connected and you get um you know chance occurrences synchronicities and so forth that are helping you uh with your soul Mission Etc but you have the ability to choose not to be on that timeline you could watch some horror movie on Netflix and then drop your vibration and then then it's just a chaotic uh you know what show and and you get to choose so if that's the the the opportunity for each individual soul in

in in this fractal kind of infinite individuality uh experience of of Oneness but with infinite individuality then a Multiverse exists so that we can have everything potentially rendered we could study astrophysics and see the mind of God through astrophysics we could study um quirks and and and and you know subatomic level of of uh the beauty and so forth of creation or anywhere in between and that's our slice of the Multiverse but with all these timelines to choose from all these movie scripts that we get to choose from depending on what we want to learn

and what we we want to experience so does that feel like compatible to your your thoughts on this yeah in many ways I I I believe that we are dimensionally limited avatars of a higher self and why dimensionally limited well because it would be no fun to play in a game that we're intending to learn from through experiential learning if everything you know that was already written was already known yeah yeah or put another way it's no fun watching a movie if you've read the Wikipedia page beforehand yeah exactly so that becomes a core aspect

of it to to make sure that you know it it still retains its mystery yeah you know and and so we think of his history as his story and now people say it should be her story and all that but maybe if it's even air story but how about my story is [Music] Mystery my story is the story that I've already written in my higher self-capacity but I left it to mystery to my dimensionally limited Avatar and our experience in life is is about you know I would never create a game also where from the

very beginning I had omnipotence omnipresence and omnipotence that also be not fun there's no fun with that so what I would do instead is I would create a game where I'd have to have the dimensionally IM Avatar through a series of tests and challenges learn itself and find its reason for being within the hero's journey yeah every hero's journey I watched the movie Braveheart last night okay y again and every hero's journey starts off with you know the same kind of archetypal experiences and in the movie Braveheart William Wallace lost his father when he was

probably 10 years old and and then his father while he's laying dead on the table you know William has a dream later on that night that his father wakes up and he turns his head to him and he says your heart is free now have the courage to follow it and that's such a powerful thing because that's exactly what the hero's journey story is All About it's about learning how to overcome what what everybody else tells you should be what you want to do yeah should be the thing that you're here to learn and find

it within yourself the great mystery within to then realize it and that that becomes the alchemy that changes the entire world around you speaking of alchemy the the The Alchemist is also following that same hero's journey follow your own personal Legend like the shepherd did and uh you too can reach your treasure which incidentally I had recently learned is based on a true story of Isaac of krackow from hundreds of years ago having a repeating dream where the treasure is buried underneath uh the bridge a certain Charles bridge in Prague and he goes there and

the U the he's trying to evade the guards but this one guard catches them and uh you know he's like what are you doing here and and he tell Isaac says the truth that I keep having this dream that there's treasure Beed here he's like get out of here that's crazy you know I I keep having a dream that some uh some some Polish guy in in in krackow has a a buried treasure under his stove in his in his house and of course Isaac knew that that was why it's like that was why he

was at the bridge to get that piece of knowledge so he went back home and dug under his stove and sure enough there was a bunch of treasure there there's still to this day uh a synagogue in his honor that he paid for because of all his all his wealth pretty cool wow wow yeah yeah know it's interesting that we we all are on this game and we don't even realize it and each game is entirely unique mhm each person person's going through their own unique story in game so then how do you separate between

NPCs as you put it and everybody else and who are the people that are not NPCs where's the limit of that so in other words in the movie The Matrix you know what's the limit on the number of Smiths that there can be I I personally I don't believe in in in limits I think it's a limitless uh game we're playing but our beliefs actually create constraint so if we believe that there can only be a certain number of regular souls and a certain number of NPCs then we create that reality but everything I mean

when you get down to the base level of reality I think everything is consciousness there's nothing that's not Consciousness so the tree out the window has a soul it's conscious and you can have a conversation with it if you have you know psychic abilities like that's real or you could believe that it's just a chunk of wood and that you you know it's there for uh make making tables and chairs and that's your reality then and you will never have a communication with that tree because of your belief system so you know it's just we

we create what we want and what we're here to learn and then we get a new level of the game you know it's it's it's uh but they're clearly demarcations in the game MH clearly demarcations and you know one aspect that I I always think of is is also an of quoted line by uh by Alan Watts where he says mankind only suffers because he takes too seriously what the gods made for fun and I find that a very powerful statement because I I have this feeling that once we leave here we die and there's

no such thing as death but we go to another place MH and I think the first thing we want to do is come back I want to do that again so real oh my gosh and think about how many infinite lifetimes experiences you could have with different backdrops and you could use the Zodiac as the backdrop settings for not only the Cycles within the year but also the larger cycles of 2 24,000 years just like you know as we we learn about in holy science by shuk Tesa to me all of this is pointing to

a universe and a creator that wants to learn it self yeah well wants to experience itself through our our eyes yeah yes yeah so we are literally the universe perceiving itself through our eyes it's so it's so beautiful when you think about it everybody has a purpose everyone has a note to play in this one universal song the one verse yeah and to me that's what makes life so incredibly profound and special and then you can start turning making lead into gold and to me that's a metaphor turning lead into gold is realizing that your

experience of Duality your challenges you face all of the suffering that you have and experience is actually the primma Materia of the alchemical process of Soul Evolution that becomes golden MH you know we tend to think of the square root of two or the number two as the basis and Foundation of Duality and so I look at math and I try to apply meaning to mathematics because meaning with you know math without meaning is just information but math with meaning becomes Divine communication if it has a CH the ability to move and shift our expectations

it becomes truly Divine because our expectations Define the reality around us the level of our belief system is going to impact whether or not you can move a mountain right in this context it starts to make the Bible stories and you know the New Testament stories of Miracles not sound so ridiculous right yeah so like in Isaiah 68 uh Isaiah is having an astral projection experience he's going to uh interrupt a board meeting between God and the archangels getting their assignments from God of different Miracles and Isaiah's there interrupting saying here I am please send

me I want to do this too yeah yeah absolutely so this is this is exactly the point so if we think about you know the number two as being the foundational aspect of Duality and this is what we ascribe suffering to separation difficulty and all of that what would be the infinite form of the number two well the infinite form or the essence of the number two should be the number that could create the number two just by in and of itself and the only number that could do that would be the square root of

two right so inside that is the infinite aspect of tuness but then when we think about the Trinity we think about Divinity so if we take the square root of three does that then imply the essence of divinity so the essence of Duality plus the essence of divinity equals approximately Pi 1.4142 which is theun of two plus 1. 73205 which is of 3 essence of divinity and essence of Duality add together to 3146 kind of interesting yeah so you can now imagine a circle with a diameter of one that its circumference is the summation of

< tk2 and root3 so then I have to ask the question okay and root2 kind of looks like the symbol for Saturn which is also the symbol for lead because lead is associated with the planet Saturn so then I wanted to know what percentage or how many degrees of that circle circumference would be ascribable to the root2 component and guess what it comes out to what's up 161.8% becomes the back half of that number 161.8% Isel the prayer of you know God is one is is uhad you know andad in gatria you got the 1

7 and four one is for the Oneness seven is the seven levels of heaven and four is for the four corners of the earth and everything is all one so even the one the the the secret of Oneness is hidden inside the number of the name or this the the Oneness of God and uh there's just so many of these like the name Ruth is 660 in gatria and uh she this beautiful story of how she went to Israel and and uh uh followed the ways of of um of Judaism and the 660 um or

uh yeah so six I forget exactly um uh how this works but her number plus the the the seven noahide laws that she already you know was bound by and equals all of the um all of the mitz votes or the the Commandments that a must follow and there's so many of these examp examples like I just learned that in the last week so I'm I'm a little rusty at explaining it but this idea of um that secrets are hidden in the numbers that associate with letters in in the Bible oh yeah I mean that's

because we're thinking that numbers are separate from letters but they're not yeah I mean if you actually go back in history the Greeks didn't use the Arabic numeral system they used their letters right so Alpha bet was just one two right so it's like Alf bet gimmel so that's basically Alf bet is is actually a reference to the Bull's house and that's the name of the Great Pyramid it's actually a reference to Osiris House of the apis bull so you've got the olive bet which is actually a Great Pyramid reference and then gimmel is just

camel we could go through the whole thing and that becomes one two three so the way that we've evolved you know in our counting and we and you might think and erroneously so that Humanity created numbers we didn't create numbers numbers are part of the universe yeah maybe the form of it the geometry you know the fact that a rose takes the shape of a pentagon the fact that you know the Fibonacci ratio is built into every tree and every plant on the number of branches that go up a tree and where those spacings are

or the fen Bal constant determining all population growth you know if we start looking at this we realize that it's from the very beginning every word has had some numerical meaning we just didn't realize it that's true with Hebrew that's true with Greek it's true with Phoenician it's true with every language so imagine you start looking at letters differently and you start realizing oh they're numbers it's all like a binary code ultimately it's a different form of hexadecimal math so so what we when I look at this issue of lead turning to Gold lit Lally

the square root of two our association with lead and difficulty and suffering and Challenge and all those things without the context of divinity is just suffering just like math without meaning is just learning information math with meaning becomes Divine communication that's exactly what suffering can become suffering in this context when we put it in the context of the square root of three brings us full circle that full circle gives us meaning to why we have to experience the suffering it even turns the suffering into our greatest Soul Evolution and it turns it from lead the

square root two into literally 161.8% negative we should look at it differently and start to accept it within us and say why am I going to resist this it will only persist and say why did I choose this instead of asking the question why did this happen to me asking the question why something happened to you is the most disempowering thing you can do asking why you chose this is putting on the hat of the realization of your own omnipotence omnipresence and omnipotence which is that you were an active participant in this learning game of

the one perceiving itself through our eyes and you are that one as well God is in everything it's not just in the light aspects of the universe it's in the dark aspects too right for one cannot exist without the other the absence of light is what we call Darkness but actually darkness is not the absence of light darkness is the obs absorb condition of light's reflection light has a reflection spectral analysis and it has an absorption spectral analysis and both are necessary to have any reflection and to have any absorption so I really you know

want to thank you for taking the time with me uh this morning and uh allowing me to be on your podcast oh this was fun this was really fun if anyone wants to find out more about my work you can find me at Robert Edward grant.com as well as uh on Robert Edward Grant on Instagram perfect and also if they want to sign up to be on the beta list for Ryan messenger yes Orion messenger. awesome well thank you Robert this was fabulous and you're you're a real light in the world so thank you for

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