CIA Spy on Killing Kennedy’s, China’s Takeover, & Israel-Palestine

Is it part of your jurisdiction working for CIA to put holes in Kennedy's first of all we don't call them jurisdictions we call them authorities what a strong denial I wanted to tell you why I think you're still a part of the CIA I am not a part of CIA it's not true it's not called the CIA it's just called CIA I'm going to get you to call it the CIA then I win then I'm the super spy there's a Presidential election coming up in November there is no good outcome said you guys are a

bunch of idiots who keep calling me a Russian spy all of a sudden that called into question whether CI even knew what they were doing he chooses not to use CIA private intelligence can do things that National Security can't do aliens UFOs real or not UFOs are real but they're not alien it's us did you ever kill somebody I cannot answer that question in great Detail I can't say that I've never intimately killed anybody what I think is going to happen is zalinsky and Netanyahu are going to get political Sanctuary asylum in the United States

the United States can't let Selinsky die everybody knows Putin wants to kill him what do you think happens in Israel Palestine Alex thinks Chinatown is a cell you're right what the Chinatown is a DI of Chinese immigrants so the intelligence Community Plants its own operatives inside that Community but keep in mind that the CIA the what he's my asset my asset what's up everybody and welcome to flagrant and today I'm very excited because we are going to expose yes that's a good YouTube title you got it right Expo expose we're reveal secrets secrets a CIA

operative who's still working for the CIA as I as I say but we'll get to that in a little bit we Got Andrew buam every fine thank you so much for coming in okay we have to do this thing which you've said this on every podcast that you've been on but I do want to just set a baseline understanding what is are you wearing leather it's fake y that was crazy Al I didn't even notice that you know a little something okay special guess I had to dress fair enough look how casual his I know

I Going to say I'm rocking some some tiger strip sweatpants you didn't get man Lea today bro all all right uh we we we do have to understand a few things here right what the [ __ ] is going on that threw me for a loop okay uh you dress like Janet Jackson dude okay we need to know what is the CIA I know you've answered this on every single podcast but I do think it's important what is the CIA CIA uh the Central Intelligence Agency yeah and why do you Say CIA you never go

the CIA so the CIA is something that is commonly Mis it's a misconception by the American public it's not called the CIA it's when you talk about it as as an acronym it's just called CIA Central Intelligence Agency okay the CIA is it's it's silly grammatical stuff but then it makes it sound like CIA itself is a word it's not it's an acronym so if you're trying to act like you're not part of the CIA you call it the Ciao but if you cat some with slipping then you know they're a [ __ ] spyre

and if you I'm [ __ ] I'm nice dude I'm [ __ ] nice if you want to know if somebody is part of the Brotherhood then you call it the agency oh cuz there's only one different brother's called the agency you're part of the agency there's only one CIA though so it is the CIA I mean I'm not going to argue with you if you want to keep calling it the CIA Right but I know that was a good trick right there that change levels on you real quick when I talked to somebody and

I want to see if they actually know what they're talking about they say the agency okay so so okay CIA what is it CIA is the National Security arm for the United States that collects foreign Secrets okay so we don't collect domestic Secrets which mean Secrets inside the United States we are charged with only foreign Secrets the FBI the Federal Bureau of Investigation collects Secrets inside the United States okay now is it part of your jurisdiction when you're working for CIA to um put holes in Kennedy's cuz that that doesn't feel International that feels like

really National so you you bring up a great point right out of the G so first of all we don't call them jurisdictions we call them authorities yeah so inside wow That's what a strong this is good this is good this is good we don't call him kennedies we call him jelly I have an issue what you just said we have we have authorities and authorities Define what we can and can't do okay right that's what makes us different than say police police jurisdictions what can you not do cuz it feels like you guys do

yeah yeah yeah Central Intelligence can do a lot because the agency is charged with Foreign secrets and foreign Secrets don't violate American citizen rights which is why when you hear about like oh you guys sell drugs in the Middle East and you guys do this and you guys do that and you you run cocaine like [ __ ] yes we'll do whatever we need to do if it keeps American Safe gotcha but you can't do any of that stuff here correct now there's also an important divide that happened in 2001 911 I mean right here

we're in New York we all know we All remember that day well prior to 9/11 you had a very different CIA than what you had after so because of the 911 Commission okay keep in mind that 911 happened because CIA [ __ ] up CIA and FBI dropped the ball you know what we're talking about right why would he he he's saying yes now I'm nervous I thought that too I thought that too did he know about it yeah well I didn't know about it I wasn't in CIA but they had Leads that there were

people planning an attack on the World Trade Center they had information and they just chose not to act on it whether it was they didn't think it was serious or whether it was maybe this will help us get power who knows let your own theor but that is exactly right yep it's exactly right and he even said he even said he not you can't be 100% right what the hell feels like you would need Insider information to be 100% right on that one That's the inside information they knew it was happening I know CIA he

looks like them too all I'm saying is true true but all I'm saying is you have now referenced CIA twice without using the so did that for you I appreciate you man okay so the 911 Commission the September 11th 911 Commission which was published in 2003 was written at the beest of Congress and it was in that very public report where all of what you're saying was referenced That FBI and CIA you read power to you man FBI and CIA separately had all the information they needed to prevent 911 and they didn't share the information

with each other which meant that they couldn't put all the pieces in the right order but isn't that the cia's fault nope that is a failure of what the 911 Commission identified as no overarching National Intelligence director but I thought that's what the CIA is CIA is technically it's the Central Intelligence Agency which means it is the Hub of intelligence it is it was never The Hub of decision-making for where intelligence goes ah so it collects all the intelligence it collects from the FBI collects from the NSA it collects from all these other different organizations

but it doesn't disseminate it to the people that need to and it doesn't prior it used to prior to 911 it did not prioritize it correctly either so you're part of CIA You're part of FBI who do you care who do you as CIA think has the best information you think you do so when he sends you a report that says some shit's going to happen you're like a shit's not going to happen I got my Intel my Intel is better I want to get into that's something I want to get into but continue on

this so real quick continue making this point okay so what changes after 911 get after 911 Congress basically comes in and says CIA the the Blood's on your hands f FBI the blood's on your hands you both failed America because you are continuing to prosecute intelligence like it's the Cold War and you've ignored terrorism you've ignored the development of authoritarian do of authoritarian regimes you've you've dropped the ball so now we are going to step in and force you to evolve so then from there they was the birth of the national director of intelligence and

an overarching authority for all the Intelligence community that now does have the the jurisdiction or the responsibility of saying CIA you must listen to FBI you must prioritize this you must do that so now instead of kicking information to each other and ignoring it they have to go to this overseeing board and the overseeing board dictates what actions in correct who that's the national director of intelligence who appoints that person are they appointed the president and can The president appoint a new one every new president correct I don't believe it okay I don't believe that

we are going to allow a new dude to come in setup shop every four years maybe every eight years and expect that company to function properly that's not how companies function properly McDonald's wouldn't function like that Exxon wouldn't function like that you need long let me that well that's what I'm trying to say you need long-term Vision This is what I hoped the CIA was doing I hoped that the president of the United States was a figurehead and that you guys were actually keeping the [ __ ] train on the tracks so you're thinking about

CIA as a company CIA is a federal I'm going to get you to call it the CIA today then I win then I'm the super spy CI is a federal government organization so stop thinking of them like Exxon and think of them more like the local DMV when was the last time you went to the D yes that's terrifying and that's what people need to understand right it is a well-intentioned institution but it is still a government organization it's run like the DMV it is not run like sh because we think of them as not

even having the best intentions but incredibly effective nefarious intentions hoarding power in your saying they're kind of just a bumbling government organization look at the Larger government overall right now o see I don't I don't subscribe to this I'm really glad you don't subscribe to this I don't believe because could you imagine the chaos if Americans actually were like what do you mean CIA is just like the presidential elections if if people actually understood I don't think it would cause any more chaos I to to me like the CIA Americans watch Homeland are like yeah

that's what they do and then they stop terrorism and I don't Think they actually really care you are you know you're deep you're entrenched so I think that you inflate its importance to the average American I think we think it's important and then we check out no but we need to feel safe we need to feel safe if we feel yeah I'm not saying it doesn't make us feel safe what I'm saying is we don't think about it no it's never on the average American spends Point 20 seconds of their years thinking about the CIA

Outside of a TV show a very powerful tool for any politician to be like yo you know you guys aren't safe okay the CIA CIA whatever they're actually kind of bumbling idiots I can come fix that you have no idea how shotty things are I've been there that is a super do you really think they're bumbling idiots I mean you work no no I don't think they're bumbling idiots I think they're a well-intentioned government organization I think that the the Challenge that CIA has is that it has a lot of very smart very hardworking very

dedicated uh Heroes who work as worker bees and then you have political appointees and career career uh seeking guies govies who become the senior level managers so if you've when you are in government you only have one track to promotion and that is to further entrench yourself in government when you're in the commercial sector when you're like a a corporate executive you Actually want to broaden and challenge a status quo because you might work for Shell this year but then next year you might get hired by xon and then next year you might get hired

by Amazon and then next year you might get hired by Google right so you want to constantly broaden and challenge the status quo whereas in government you have one way to promotion entrench yourself in the status quo deeper and deeper and so bureaucracy inevitably just takes over And clogs it up correct so that's that's what ends up happening and those are the people who are in charge and then you've got this whole Workforce at the bottom that has to decide what is my career path going to be do I entrench to try to climb or

do I bail the [ __ ] out and what you've seen ever since the Trump election in 2016 is a mass Exodus of people in the intelligence Community because Trump challenged the intelligence Community Just like you said right and once he challenged it and said you guys are a bunch of idiots you keep you keep calling me a Russian spy all of a sudden that called into question whether CIA even knew what they were doing okay I want to talk about the Trump thing Trump steps in and he chooses not to use CIA for his

intelligence right he openly says that correct and then who does he use he commercializes he hires commercial intelligence for example like A do you know James Baker yes so James who used used to work for the CIA yep like you used to work and now he has his own private intelligence firm so would Trump I love James by the way great guy we called him for the Netflix show 100% still works for the CIA 1,000% I love you he's so [ __ ] talented like he can host a comedy show he'll be on Fox News

hosing a show but 100% so works for the CIA and that's like the best position Which I think you also do but we'll get to that in a second now he would hire him and then get his intelligence from him and his company right so the reason that that works the the idea of commercialized intelligence or private intelligence is what it's called on the inside private intelligence is a successful business model because private intelligence can do things that National Security governance can't do for example uh the War on Drugs it's Very difficult for you to

get Congressional funding to fight the war on drugs doing things as inefficiently as the federal government does them you got to send troops you got to get orders approved like there's a huge cost that comes with all the administrative stuff of getting the government to do something in the commercial commercial sector you basically write them a check for $2 million and say hey we need secrets about cocaine drug lords and Then the company does whatever they need to do to get those secrets so maybe they hire five former seals two former Colombian Special Forces two

former mad and they go in and maybe they do good things maybe they do bad things but they definitely deliver Secrets right wow and that's where private intelligence becomes powerful and Donald Trump it's the efficiency of privatization Donald Trump knew that and took advantage of that and as a as a result of that he Essentially showed in four years that CIA was super powerful but can be replaced by private intelligence wow wow okay so then you I think it was on lexa's pod you were speaking about this a little bit and then he also limited

something he limited security clearance for people who would leave CIA this is important this is important because this is one of the things that Trump did very well that he never got credit for mhm the way that you make money when you're A federal government employee is not being a federal government employee like 30 years and you're a senior ranking officer and you're making $160,000 a year yeah like no that's not what people want to do with their life right a junior salesperson can make 250 so what ends up happening is you work those 30

years so that you can build a network and so you can have very high level clearances and those clearances don't expire the day you resign they expire With time so when you have a top secret clearance or a secret clearance the thing that makes it expire is either you break a la they pull it from you or you don't engage in activity you don't engage in a job where you have where you use that access as long as you keep using that access it keeps being valid the job is for the government or can it

be any job it's a job for the government because the government is what defines classification right so now you're a Senior intelligence officer making $160,000 a year you retire from government well now you have all the contacts of all the other offices inside the agency contacts with FBI NSA Di NGA right you're connected to everybody so then boo Allen Hamilton or khaki or MCH or anyone of the big uh National Security intelligence contractors they can hire you make you a Executive Vice President pay you $400,000 a year and they're essentially paying for your Clearance and

what they're paying for is for your access to all these other agencies because of your network so Trump shut that down because he was there was like a brain drain if you will people were leaving the agency to go work in the private sector and go make money and he was like you're not going to leave the agency and take your clearance so you could either stay here or you could leave but you're not going to take that and there was a second There was a second reason to doing it the other reason he was

doing it was because he wanted to limit the competition of private intelligence firms outside of the firms that he was using oh so he was doing it to scratch their backs oh for sure so he was doing it to scratch their backs and oh my God this is next level sh good reason on finally one thing okay so he's scratching the backs of his friends his friends allegedly let's just say have These intelligence companies what would you call them firms yeah private intelligence firms private intelligence firms and he's so they already have these employees that

have clearance yes and he and there's also employees that that don't have clearance right but it's it's all about at the end of the day I know this might shatter your trust in the federal government it's still a good old boys network it's still who do you know who do you trust and who's going to Be to you when people turn on you that's still very much how the government works and that's just because it's hard for the government to evolve it's not like the commercial sector that can evolve very quickly it has to you

said there was a mass Exodus when uh Trump came into office is it the older people that are like rules are the younger it's the younger generation why they were leaving the younger generation's leaving because they're they're asking themselves the Question my future wow and my future is in the private sector I'm out of this 30 years I'm not going to be able to take my my clearance with me there's I'm make no money for 30 years and then not even have the balloon when I retire of private security and what does their career look

like their career looks like serving a federal government that can't tell its ass from its elbows yeah right and don't forget too that from 2016 to 2020 during that Trump Administration he Didn't trust the CIA so when he doesn't trust the C for good reason for mixed reasons some were good some were bad but but keep in mind that the CIA falls under the executive what you say the what got him got him well done he's my asset now this is my asset now let's go keep going that's all it is he's like a Pokemon

that's all it is bro you slowly get them to what does it get on board what is it there you go [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah I got worn down I got worn down That's it that's it but you keep in mind that CIA CIA right CIA falls under the executive branch there's three branches of government right the Executive Branch the boss is the executive the president so when the CIA when CIA is listen to the boss the boss doesn't fund them M so when the boss says I don't need you I'm going to

cut your funding now all of a sudden your operations get cut everybody who's working there can't get those sexy operations that they need in order to Get their promotions now is that system wow this sucks built 20 years time all the government agencies are going to be [ __ ] because we're not getting any of the best young talent but think about real quick real quick the the system then is set up not to bring forth the best data and intelligence it's built to satisfy the boss and satisfying the boss might not keep America at

safest because sometimes what the boss Wants to be true is not if there's an imminent threat and the boss doesn't care about it but the CIA or CIA is like yo this is what it is and you need to [ __ ] listen and you need to fund this this is a big problem now the CIA [ __ ] up when you lose the confidence of the boss so this is a huge issue it's a massive issue this this is why you hear so many people every election cycle you hear you will he hear people

talk about intelligence reform this is what they're Talking about question though sorry can can can you just finished that that idea though the intelligence reform and what that means so intelligence reform is the idea that we need to reform the way that we do intelligence everything from our promotions process all the way through to our sharing process to our analytical process because what what the American people trust to be a functioning efficient vehicle we actually on the inside we call it a Sandbox a Sandbox Because when you put kids into a Sandbox the most important

thing is that they play nice with each other it's more important than them being creative it's more important than them doing anything else and if you guys aren't getting along then we get 911 here's right that's right and the whole getting along thing becomes uh a cultural challenge because now if you're a 27y old go-getter and you don't get along with the old guard then they're going to Start holding you back and then you never develop until you just punch out and that's good for them because they want more of the Old Guard right real

quick on this on this reform how would you reform it and this might be a longer question but how do you create a system that puts forward the most efficacious data and intelligence while at the same time doesn't alienate the boss of the organization which is the president yeah yeah yeah so there has to be a there's Checks and balances already in place that's how the federal government that's how our democracy works with checks and balances being able to Institute checks and balances where let's say you're a junior officer you make a recommendation your senior

officer doesn't accept your recommendation but there is some kind of documented process that you made what you what you said what you said right then no matter how the intelligence plays out in the future it can actually Be audited back to what the junior officer said then you end up having this thing you have an incentive for junior officers to say this is what I'm assessing and you have an incentive for senior officers listen to them because it's documented but what happens now instead is literally senior officers change Junior officer reports wow so I will

write a report I will send it to my middle manager my middle manager will Rewrite my report with what he thinks is important on top of what I did before it goes to you and what's the justification for that cuz there must be because the idea is that the more touch points the more it will be refined by people who have more experience so they think it's refined but in reality it's a game of telephone and what happens with the game of telephone is the changes by the time it reaches and there's no accountability up

at the top and then you remember There was the divide in culture so once you get to like a senior level officer they were raised in the school of Cold War so now we're talking terrorist reports it gets passed to a middle manager who's got a little bit of terrorism experience a little bit of Cold War experience but it ends up in the hands of a senior manager who's really only C 199 2000 when you're getting this information we're not thinking terror is a real threat that's Over there can you tell us what C War

but real quick just Cold War what does that mean difference between cold War intelligence and terrorism in when you remember the Soviet Union and you remember it was America versus Russia of course that's cold war no no I understand the period but like why would there be a different way of interpreting intelligence for the Cold War versus terrorism because people weren't dying in the cold war in the Cold War it was Cold there was no there was no conflict so there's not an imminent threat so you're learning about hm got it got it got it

got it got it got it it got imminent threat those are the two words with terrorism where immediately reacting or 911 we're immediately reacting bomb goes off whereas Cold War these are nations jocking for position via I guess you would say h economic and Military growth that's it Yeah yeah yeah it's economic growth I guess a military growth too ah so you can be a little bit more relaxed during a cold war because you're not protecting your people in that instance we call it strategic not relaxed you can be more strategic because things don't happen

at a tactical Pace it's a little more chess it's more chess yeah got it okay sorry go my overarching question where we this what I'm hearing is this is very scary To me privatizing intelligence probably will be a better solution in general and this ties back to what we had V Ras Swami on the podcast and he basically was like I just want to cut a bunch of government jobs people who I think are small government they might have distrust for me it's just government has no incentive to be efficient there is no profit margin

whereas a private organization we always got to be efficient we always got to be the best Our business is literally on the line we will go broke right I don't see a real problem and you can tell me where I'm wrong I don't see a real problem with let's just privatize intelligence because that's probably going to run the most efficiently the real problem with privatizing intelligence is then you open intelligence up to marketing yeah marketing are promises with no meat yeah so really what needs to happen is checks and balances like we were saying before

Where there's a government held account accountable for the intelligence but the highest performing bidder is the private intelligence firm think of it like a plumber the reason you don't do the plumbing in your house I assume is because you can send out a request to five different plumbers you can get five different estimates you can have them come in and make five different assessments and the one that you trust the most is the one that you try and if He [ __ ] up you never hire him again yeah that's essentially how it should work

because you're the boss it's your house so we need an intelligence organization that is federally controlled to say the quality of intelligence has to meet this standard you think if we privatize it becomes more about marketing than quality if you go 100% privatized yeah look at news like you privatize news you're not getting the real news you're getting the Most monetizable news and the exact same thing would happen with an intelligence they're like what does the president want to hear okay we're going to go find it it's wmds like oh we're going to find the

wmds it's like there's certain news organizations that are like uh hey there's some racism out there find it I don't want to harp on this too long but again that is exactly what the government did the government said there's wmd there were no wmds I just Don't think this is as scary as we're making it well well now I want to get into now I want to get into that point which is how do you tell uh or maybe the better uh question is is it possible because this is what you always hear that there

are corporations that are using the CIA almost as like a private military for their interests is there any truth to that like a I wouldn't say that so the fact that private agencies are using CIA Resources like a private Army there's no direct evidence that that is what's happening hey I got a banana Factory in Nicaragua go start a coup because the current uh Administration is not letting me sell my bananas so that's not the corporation that makes that decision but that is the lobbyists who can Lobby the policy makers who are federal federally appointed

or voted in they're the ones that can then direct the CIA and they're lobbying whom they're lobbying the Director that was appointed by the president or they're lobbying the president and the congressman and then oh my God the president and the president's advisor panel because here's the other thing to keep in mind president so the CIA is getting all this [ __ ] and they're just doing what they're told so it's really the politicians that should be getting the [ __ ] right I thought the CIA was acting on their own well they did in

certain circumstances Pre 911 pre 911 they had a lot more autonomy than they do now because the 9911 commission came out and said you guys have way too much autonomy so going back to your whole point about did they shoot JFK no really knows nobody really knows because they had so much autonom [ __ ] know dude tell did they do it or what if I knew I would be a lot richer than I am right now why why what would you do what would you do with that information to make so much money I

Would find a way to prove it and I'd be the first person to ever expose the truth with the proof what about Abraham Lincoln it's a another president that got shot you got a thing for [Laughter] this it's only a couple of them that got shot I'm like figure the [ __ ] out was CIA around in 1864 was OS dude you know okay but but no I I I I'm not curious about why he got shot I want to know if he was gay you guys would know That stuff you guys had the intelligence

was a blink and gay I I don't know C Cia didn't exist OSS didn't exist back then it was I don't even know if the federal Marshall CIA doesn't have gayar yeah we need that dude they have gayar because they're recruiting for gay gay right now what does that mean they want to diversify into lgbtq plus all the various they want that kind of diversity cuz the government is trying to bring back young people and because they lost All their young people from like people get in yeah young people are G but now isn't there

an advantage in having some gay uh operatives to the Middle East exactly yeah no for real you they can see if they can fly it turns out we can't fly it's a good experiment yeah no no but maybe you could use them as I know that you say that in the CIA you guys don't use the Honeypot thing but like that would be advantageous you go to the Middle East You you're like hey like I'm kind of half gay and if there is some Shea out there that is a little bit gay he might feel

a little bit more safe getting his cheeks rins by an you know a guy who's not from there who's not going to tell anybody right so here's here's the now he's an asset here's the interesting here's the interesting thing that people don't understand about CIA yeah CIA has always been one of the most diverse workforces in America You're getting intelligence from out there you said that helped you get hired I'm a brown dude yeah you're you could be you're actually good I'm I'm I'm Ambiguously Brown so nobody knows where I'm from I mean I I

did not have good grades in college I was I was a bad officer in the Air Force like I am not your ivy league white guy that was pre- 911 you know CIA and and that's just me I mean there are there are thousands of people that were recruited with me Diverse in every possible way the thing was it wasn't front and center CIA recruitment marketing that you have to be diverse right so what ended up happening was they would find people the way they find people they would run them through a psychological profiling as

part of your Recruitment and then they would find out like oh you're gay or you're straight or you're this you're that or whatever else right you believe in in two gods or whatever it might be But they would run you through a profile and the profile would tell them that you're crazy in a SP in a specific kind of way that's very useful for collecting intelligence like for example uh so the you the reason I'm here today is because you were referencing uh something I mentioned once about psychological high performance trauma right people who have

a certain amount of trauma when their kids become High performers later in life that what that's really saying is That we're a little bit crazy but we're crazy in a useful way versus a person who has so much trauma that they end up being like PTSD great at sex or whatever well I mean even that's still useful crazy that is it is but I'm talking about the kind of crazy that ends up with somebody shooting to people like somebody who goes in and starts shooting up a grocery store somebody who ends up that's too much

crazy so they're trying to find the right amount of crazy right Okay and when you and that's useful so it used to be that they could bring in people who looked normal right who looked like they Blended in and then find the ones that were useful crazy now they're basically advertising like hey we want you if who's gay yeah are you are they they go hey if you're gay you had enough trauma in your life that you might be crazy enough to be in the CIA I I I mean that's maybe that's the that might

be part of their Strategy but if you if you see them they are openly advertising to diverse groups I would assume that is the world is more openly you're more comfortable being openly gay openly whatever so that person will fit in better with those groups whereas before in the 50s maybe being gay was something you probably hid from in the 90s man we hit from that stuff but then there's also don't forget it's a federal organization so guess what federal organizations have to Mandate diversity hes so you have to have this many women you have

to have this many gay people you have to have this many people who identify as females but are actually uh have male sex organs and you have to like there's all these government regulations especially in a a a democratically controlled executive right that whenever you that they dictate the requirements to CIA you think it's a good thing or bad thing for CIA what do you think I think it's a Horrible thing for CIA I mean let let CIA hire what they need to hire to ex the operations they need to execute for the threat of

the day right because the threat of the day changes MH okay you I I want to get back to a second but you met your wife on the job correct how hard is it to sleep with a CIA operative I mean are you talking about how to actually sleep with the CIA operative or like when we say sleep with the c no I mean like she sees all your [ __ ] tricks she's trained in the exact same way that makes it really easy what that makes it super easy because the hardest thing to do

is lie and hide so that's think about how much effort we all put into that in my marriage that effort's gone there's no reason to even try and even worse than that is my wife can read my body language so she knows when you're lying so she knows when I'm uncomfortable she knows when I'm sad she knows when I'm stressed out like she Actually knows it because she can actually read it so it makes the fact that I'm like an open book to her super super easy and the fact that she's open book to me

no it's not C marriages tend to last longer um they last until the job starts to interfere with the marriage CIA has one of the highest divorce rates in all federal government because when CIA officer uh when they marry each other they reach that point in their career where it's like are you Going to choose career or marriage and that usually for those people they choose career and then if you're a CIA officer who marries a non CIA officer you still reach the point in your career where it's like why are you working all the

time I can't really tell you and then split oh you guys could share what you were doing with each other or were their limitations so my wife and I had the benefit of meeting and marrying each other when we were in different offices But then there was a change in operational priorities that actually put us into a tand coule so we operated together wait a minute you guys were Partners on the job so you were pretending to be married and married we didn't even have to pretend we just actually were married but you were using

pseudonyms I assume we were using a a structure of cover Legend yeah that was more robust because we had actual documentation behind it M who's the Easiest race to trick why'd you look it up he he drops his bombs under his breath what you say what you say Mr Mrs Smith who is who is the easiest race the trick so yeah if you're talking about ethnic race yeah so ethnic race is it's really difficult because it's based on education ah but when it comes to race as a subcontext of nationalistic like it's Americans we're the

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of wisdom so CIA trains through a method called Just in Time learning also known as experiential training or experiential learning so they'll teach you a concept uh academically you learn a concept slideshow or classroom or whatever else and then you'll go out and you'll Practice that concept in a in a scenario so in a with an actor with a role player oh okay you're not just going to a a coffee shop and doing it and then once you have shown that you understand the concept in a role play you're in the real world doing it

and that's how you cement a skill before you come back how much are these actors [ __ ] with you in these like how tricky are they making things do they even know oh yeah the actors blind in it they're they're not They're not actors like you're thinking of actors they're role players meaning they are CIA officers who have already been through the the ringer and now they're helping the train the next generation is this that the farm so correct the farm is our training academy uh and there are multiple schools that we have the

farm is the most famous but that's where we go through that's the most practical real world example of our full experiential learning cycle could You give us an could you give us an example of one of these exercises sure so there's a one of my favorite exercises is a free cup of coffee exercise so you have to get a free cup of coffee H but there's certain stipulations you can't ask for a free cup of coffee you can't trade somebody for a free cup of coffee so but you have to get a free cup of

coffee can you be a woman many of them are born that way yes so Unfair there's okay go on so so what you have to do is they they will teach you like here's how you create reciprocity and here's how you create interest and here's how you create value for somebody in excess of what a cup of coffee costs and then here's how you put yourself in a position with somebody where they connect on their own through some kind of uh what was the movie with Leonardo DiCaprio Inception yeah the the essentially the real world

version of Inception it called neural linguistic programming or something like that some people call it but you're basically planting an idea you're priming an idea yeah so here's how you prime someone for an idea where they are like I just had a great conversation with you I want to buy you a cup of coffee oh what a fascinating way to break down human behavior if I want a free cup of coffee I give him value emotionally that is worth more than a free cup of coffee or Intellectually you give me value in the way that

I care most about value leave a gap where they can fill it now now the cup of coffee you're getting from a stranger not from the person at the coffee shop mhm correct okay oh I was I thought you have to charm the Barista you can if you if you don't if you find yourself selecting a coffee shop where you don't have other people in line okay being in line with somebody is a benefit because you got what we call Time On Target but when you go up to a barista how long is a barista

used to dealing with a customer 12 seconds how are you going to create value in 12 seconds wow how big is the the farm is like westw world where it's just like hundreds of people like just living in a scenario essentially it's a base the farm is a giant retired military base instructors live there students live there uh contract Personnel stay there for long deployments like it's a self-contained Place and they have total control over your entire student experience there which is how you can go through this kind of so that coffee shop is an

actual coffee shop like outside outside like in the movie The recruit like you have to go and get a get someone from the bar and get them out W what's the uh okay have you ever had like a really awkward exchange when you're trying to practice something that you learned yes we would call it in comedy bombing have you Bombed bomb okay tell me about a bomb I've bombed a lot of okay tell me well hopefully not real you can't say that no no but yeah so I mean uh I've bombed at at in in

the real world like with this coffee example it took me six attempts before I got a free cup of coffee and or what happens the first attempt what do you so I think the first time I went there I tried to talk to a barista okay and I tried to just show up And be like hey I've got this thing and I went looking for like a wallet like oh I don't know where my wallet is and she was like well I can't give you any cof you tried to guil her yeah I was just

trying to be like oh out the nice it's not very effective it's not part of the training I hadn't internalized the concept yet right so then I went another time and I was like with a with a dude and trying to talk to a dude about stuff that I I was not connecting with what he Cared about I was telling him about how cool I am okay how' you open up to him was the first line this is this is this is awesome like what what cup of coffee are you going to get I don't

remember the details right but it was basically something along the line like hey what are you going to get he's like oh I was going to get an Americano and I was like oh The Latte is the best uh you started talking about you yeah you were more interesting than interested why yeah Yeah why do you yeah why do you want an Americano what is it doesn't it doesn't matter what matters is that the concept was a fail because what I'm saying is if you asked him why he likes Americano you're tapping into what he's

feeling you seem like the kind of guy that has lattes and be like oh what does that mean like you're giving him something yeah what what you learn from bombing is you learn how other people actually think and how they engage with the Communication that you're sharing you guys know this more than anybody right because when you start to engage with somebody about what they're interested in now all of a sudden they don't see you as a threat or an outsider they see you as like a friend yeah you make me feel good about me

cuz you're asking me questions about me I like you right you I trust you because you're saying things about me that that I also believe and that's how you get to a place where After 6 minutes in line and you get up to the front of the line they're like can I buy you a cup of coffee do do do you remember the moment that you were asked absolutely okay what and what happened how did you do that so it was a it was a much older lady it was like a lady in her 50

you son of a b son of a [ __ ] okay good and we we had been in line you just whipped it out like you've seen one of these lately I like moat Okay go go go so much so it was a much older lady and we were in line it became very clear to me that she liked to talk but nobody would talk to her so then I just kind of sat there and let her talk and everything that she brought up her grandkids her kids her cats her job I just asked a

follow-up question I was like oh that's interesting that's I mean how did your kids feel about when you retired from accounting or how did your you know how do you take care of three Cats do you feed them canned food or do you feed them food that you make for them themselves and it was just this natural kind conv natural from her point of view where I was just being nice to her and learning about her gave her a conversation which she doesn't get because most people don't want to listen to a 55y old woman

talk yep right and then by the time we got to the actual checkout at the register she was going to pay with a credit card anyways so she Was just like you can put his coffee on mine that's amazing now and and the hardest part yeah is all you want to do is [ __ ] celebrate and get the hell out of the coffee shop and go back and be like here's my freak up of coffee you got to say no no no no please don't do it oh wa coffee you say oh was very

nice of you and then you sit down and you have another two or 3 minutes of coffee with her because you've got to find an exit That is Norm am where now now now now okay you you get this success you get this positive reward right like you said you want to just run back to the office and be like yo I did it is there is that ever met with a sense of guilt as I potentially manipulated another human being this so I I love that you're asking this question I love that you're asking

this question because to get to the place where you're going through that level of training you've already Been psychologically assessed in a realm of uh antisocial behavior that makes it so that you know and the people who are training you know that you're not really wired to feel gift so about manipulating others my followup to that is this before you came here I was ready to ask you a bunch of I don't want to even call them hard questions but I had less empathy for you now that we've spoken a bit and I like you

I have a little bit more empathy so I'm like do I really want to ask him a question that he might get in trouble for answering by the CIA and I'm starting to feel these Sensations and I know the thing that would make me feel that guilt is also the thing that I'm curious about but you've Charmed me I guess or maybe I enjoy talking to you or arguing with you about Europeans being stupid which is what we both agree ultimately but uh I guess what what what I'm saying Is if that would be horrible

for the CI I would be because I'd feel too bad i'a yeah horrible operative he just said it right bad field you also can't keep a secret ever so I'm not good at that so I mean there's a couple of things there right or I'm already part of the CI and I'm tricking all of you and that's even better disinformation so so the thing to keep in mind here is that is that uh there's an element of predictable Behavior that's wired into US Cognitively mhm from childhood right so especially who have had experiences with significant

trauma as children also have a higher likelihood of developing antisocial disorders or antisocial uh conditions as adults because as as children we tried to fit in and we were rejected so now as adults we're like [ __ ] trying to fit in but maybe I should still try to fit in because it's just easier if people think I fit in right so there's there's an element of that do You feel that way about yourself oh yeah absolutely well for me I'm nice cuz I'm like you're incredible at socializing it's all but it's all you think

it's manufactured it's all kind of learned no it's it's real but the difference is what happens on the back end if you will right like having a conversation like you were saying you'd feel guilty asking me questions I wouldn't feel guilty asking you questions because I've been conditioned through my childhood trauma To be kind of safe of feeling like I'm going to ask you a question it's your your responsibility if you answer or not I was literally talking to my wife about this the other day because my wife is also a former CIA so we

have some very dark conversations and uh and the question was if if you were crossing a street and you were crossing a street at a time when you needed to cross the street to get away from some creepy dude who was Standing at the street corner but when you cross the street you made another car swerve because you crossed when it wasn't a crosswalk and that car crashed right so you just saved yourself from creepy dude who's standing at the edge of the sidewalk but that car crashed do you feel bad yeah I mean my

answer is no I don't feel B am supposed to do like I don't feel bad because I I that we say getting off the X the dudee That crashed wasn't driving responsibly or else he wouldn't have crashed and it wasn't your intention and it wasn't my intention you know what is crazy coincidence maybe not uh I grew up in Dallas born and raised the spot where JFK is killed you know how it's marked on the road yeah it's an X an x on the road yeah there's an x on the road so off the X

really makes me think you guys killed JFK they let their Son and but are now you're you've studied people enough to know that like this guilt response is quite normal right right in a socially conditioned person and you're saying you just feel none of it I don't feel none of it I just it's it doesn't hold me back all right so you feel it but it doesn't stop you gotcha whereas like a sociopath for example might not feel it at all oh so you're in a really advantageous situation because you could act on that Feeling

if you think it's the socially responsible thing to do but if you need to get where you need to go you won't I asked on the feeling when it is a a personal benefit and that's the difference between a true sociopath which is remember how we talking about uh antisocial disorders a true sociopath is actually clinically called uh antisocial disorder antisocial personality disorder aspd okay so that's a clinical thing just like a psychopath Is a clinical thing on the antisocial personality disorder Spectrum whereas where what I'm talking about is useful elements of of sociopathy yeah

but still able to fit into a larger societ Yeah my cousin's psychiatrist he always distinguishes between sociopath and having sociopathic tendencies and he's like there's a lot of really successful people who have sociopathic tendencies what sociopath would make a bad agent correct because a true sociopath Empathy connect follow question somewhat related to get the coffee somewhat related everybody mental health is huge in every job on in the CIA are they like no you're not doing no [ __ ] therapy we're not paying for anything I don't want you to work on this part of you

or is there very specific therapy how does that work question an abundance of therapy options because of exactly that reason so to your point about how some very high performing people have Sociopathic tendencies what else do very high performing people have incredible vices right substance abuse sex right pathological lying they got to find the right operative wow this is a fascinating case study you need to find someone [ __ ] up enough where they don't feel the guilt so they can go out there and do things that do induce guilt on the average person but

not so [ __ ] up that they're going to be doing cocaine [ __ ] girls non-stop to get Over the guilt to get over the guilt or to cope with these feelings that you have I mean that is a small window and still have some level of remorse because the true sociopath again not a good agenty can you see a regular therapist or it has to be another CIA yes yeah it's a CIA therapist and then if you have a if you have condition that are too significant or too severe for for a staff

psychologist then they have a group of cleared psychologists do they Test prospects on their VI yes oh great question how do they do it they well there's two parts first there's a psychological battery that they put you through like an actual psychological exam and then from that they're able to uh assess what we see in the movies or TV shows where like they're asking you difficult questions and it's it's it's not the answer but how you react that's a part of it can you give us an example of do you remember anything you were ask

Yeah yeah yeah so well I don't remember the questions in the in the in the actual exam right but I remember there are questions in the exam where they're they're giving you questions and they're giving you answers and there's no good answer like there's no safe answer right like uh have you ever I I remember this one have you ever participated in sexual deviancy like yeah that's a subjective experience yes or no yeah and I'm in like the last stages of applying for the CIA is this the question that's going to get me kicked out

and all this pressure starts to build up so what did I answer yep right better to say yes than to say no and then they find out you're lying and they find out that I'm lying so I'm just going to say yes and hope for the best right now I was also able to say no to ever using any kind of controlled substance because I have never and still to this day even though I dream of the day that I get to used some kind of Controlled substance right so there are certain places where I

get to answer yes and no throughout that whole exam and then after the exam I had an person interview with a psychologist who was going through the exam results and that psychologist was like can you please share with me your sexual deviancy and I imagine that part is even more important than what you actually put on the paper I don't know because I'm not I I never got the insight into how they recruited Us exactly but now you're sitting here face to face with somebody and the one question that spiked you during the exam they're

asking you to your face and again you're like I'm not much closer to being a CIA officer so then you're like well I've always wanted to do this and I did this and I've tried this and I've tried that and they're like and then at the end for me dude was like none of that's deviancy yeah I like oh sweet so like two girls at once and sex parties And none of that's deviancy he's like no and I was like score how can you trust the intentions of the psychologist you have to trust that the

intentions of the psychologist are to get enough people through the pipeline that they don't look like they're too harsh or too easy in their exam no I'm talking about when you're already hired you're part of the CIA and you are seeking mental help I would imagine that the CIA is looking out for its interests correct so how and You can only speak to their therapists how can you fully open up to somebody if you know that you're being assessed so you've got this is such a powerful question man because this is the Crux of why

I left CIA I left CIA when I was 34 years old I'm 43 now you're 40 now right when you're in your mid-30s whatever you're doing you're all in yeah you're all in yep if you've got producers producing you if you got supervisors supervising you if you've Got whatever you're you're like everybody's in this together when they're all actually in it for self-preservation so as a mid-30 year-old it took the birth of my first child before I was like I asked myself that exact question I like oh [ __ ] why do I think that

this person's out for my best interest when they're just out for their own career and and I started to see that the process we were trained to get a foreigner to betray their country To give us secrets that same process was our professional development process 100% but you knew this at an early age I know well I knew this at 34 only because of the birth of my son but you knew it before I mean you're assessing people all the time right but you're assessing people through a state of conditioning where you've been brainwashed to

believe you're the best of the best of the best right wow you believe their propaganda soed correct you didn't see it at all There was no signs of it where you were like I'm a little skeptical the signs are in hindsight right because if you give me a sign when you're in yeah when you're in it you're in it so a sign of a sign is like uh when you're in it for example when you're in it people are always promising you the next best assignment right the carrot carot constant carrots right we need you

to go here we need you to go there oh that dried up well that dried up and you're The person and you're always going you're like I'm going to take it there were a lot of intelligent Nazis that thought they were the good guys you know what I mean not to compare it but like there are good people that are doing things that are outside of what you could say are their interest or objectively true because they bought used to be law enforcement and there were times where it's just like ah this is just chain

of command this is just The way things are and it wasn't until you're outside of it where he's likeed yeah that's a little [ __ ] up so if you have people that are extremely motivated by reward you can just throw a carrot in front of them and they won't ask questions about anything else if they're extremely if they're driven by reward yes however what if if there's four core motivations I'm sure that's kind of what you're referencing right now that CIA teaches us what is it the reward Ideology coercion and ego right we call

it rice reward ideology coercion and ego four main reason we all do anything yeah reward is a strong one but it's not the strongest ideology yeah so what you do is you recruit these people who are borderline sociopaths who have incredible amount of loyalty and then you tell them America has to be the safest you're here to keep the Homeland safe you're the future of our country your children your parents everyone's Going to be safer because of your humble servants is that how Isis same same same it's slightly different but but what Isis ideology what

Isis does is they use something called the radicalization ladder cuz they're trying to create radicals what CIA is doing is creating practicals H right a little bit different but but yeah and careerists careerists don't end their career by strapping a bomb to their chest but that's how it radical What is your greatest motivation you think uh for so for me my greatest motivation is ideological but my ideology changed when you had that baby didn't it it everything Chang you know this man it just happened to you too y everything changes when you have that makes

sense so now your ideology is I'm a family man I'm a father before that my ideology was always America safe yeah now it's keep my baby safe it is and is it a Liability to let operatives to let operatives have families that this becomes a big part of the challenge in any CIA officer's midcareer when you start having children or when your children are in that age where they're the magic age like you're not in the magic age you're still in like the puddle of of Blood and Guts I'm here I'm here just smile give

me anything yeah yeah yeah but once like once you start tickling your baby and they it's over oh [ __ ] it's over you're corruptible yeah yeah yeah once that happens when you said that Jesus empath big empath but once that happens everything really does change and then you start to see I have to protect this baby and then you also ask yourself oh [ __ ] the stuff I do if somebody really wants to [ __ ] with me they're going to [ __ ] with this oh [ __ ] and then it just

gets and then it just gets worse and worse and that's that's a big part of what contributes to people In their midcareer making different choices in their midcareer why they stop competing to be at the top of the food chain and they're starting to be happy with being middle managers because middle managers get forgotten get overlooked I can stay home most of the time I'm never going to be like in The Cutting Edge of stuff okay does the CIA once they find out that you're about to have a family or even before that maybe when

you get married they know what's Coming next do they start adding protecting your children to the ideology of what you're doing at work so as an effort to maintain right I wouldn't say they manipulate it that way what ends up happening is you got culturally your supervisor is older than you right physically they're older than you and they're a supervisor which means they've been there longer so they've already made the um compromises to stay in their career so then that person starts to Feed their compromises on to you the person who chooses family over career

has already left never they're not even there so there's nobody to even look towards yeah so everybody within the institution hey this is what it is this is what you do how did you see same thing when you were in law enforcement right management status quo this is the way it is just don't ruffle fast so it's very important that those people in those positions are enjoying their life Because if they're not you're looking at what your life is going to be and you're going I got to get the [ __ ] out out of

here here well it's it's not important that they are enjoying their life as much as it's important that they are doubling down on the ideology that keeps them there or they're committed in other words if they're starting to fray in their commitment everything else trickles down o that's scary the number one thing that you're looking for in any Kind of government service is the idea of service before self anybody watching this anybody listening to this who's military law enforcement first responder government we all agree like it's it's indoctrinated into you from the day one service

comes before yourself what makes somebody what does the character buildup or personality trait buildup to have service before self it's just a matter of commitment like you said it's the it's understanding that your discomfort And your opinions and your uh anything that makes you unhappy is less important than servicing the mission but is there a trauma that you go through that would induce this personality type is there something that happens in your life where you can predict this sort of yes so when we go back to that whole idea of childhood trauma what the the

outcome of childhood trauma is that you need an invisible authority to approve of you and as long as and the challenge for us All is growing up in that world you never know who that invisible Authority is so you're always seeking it it's like I got to get good grades somebody say it's good all right I got to do good on got Go on stage and yeah I got to do yeah that when when you get into a government job and you have that same conditioning the difference now is you know exactly what you have

to do to do a good job to get that authority to approve of you all you have to do is say Yes to the next mission and there's no guessing anymore whereas most of the time we're like how do I get my mom's approval how do I get my dad's approval how do I get so it's a pretty easy setup a package it's a nice package that you realize over time the federal government has learned how to do this well intentionally or accidentally because they've always been vested in making sure they the government itself survives

is there a moment in your life Where you felt especi your professional life at CIA where you felt completely validated and justified in your decision to spend all that time there is there a mission that you succeeded in protecting America that you were like this is everything I dreamed of and I did good uh so yes there is one and that one is the one I was actually referencing uh before we turn on any cameras so I'm trying to get a book published and it's Been a two and a half year process because CIA was

on board with the book and then changed their position as it got closer and closer to publish and why do you think uh I think geopolitical concerns around the world changed and then the mission that I was part of became more sensitive to them publicly so now they're they're pushing back so I actually uh after I leave this interview with you guys I head up to Washington DC in just a few days to sit with CIA to Actually hash out how much of this book are you going to keep pushing back on how much of

this book are we going to be allowed to publish and will we need to involve a court wow to to get this to move forward right now so sorry I have to pee go go go go go go go go go go so the so the answer to your question is yes there is absolutely a justifiable mission that I look at and I'm saying it was all worth it but you can't share it with us right Now and that's very frustrating because the reason I want to share it I don't want I I love you

guys I'd love to share it with you I want to share it with my kids and my grand kids and my great grandkids who I'll never get to meet this a part of your legacy this process must be difficult is the book already written the book's already written so how do you have editors and great question people like review it if there's like information in it that's Not supposed to be seen so this is the challenge because the geopolitical environment changed we had everything approved and worked on and written out until that turning point in

in National Security so it was approv it was okay wasn't wasn't trying to get you jammed up no no it's all good but that's how it works I mean the the reason that so few CIA authors exist is because of the exact problem that you said how do You get an Editor to look at something if CIA has to look at it first and what if CIA looks at it and they take too long or whatever else Publishers lose their interest and editors lose their interest and whatever else whereas for us we took a different

approach to it we took kind of like a systematic approach where it's like hey here's what we want to write about it do you approve here's our outline for what we're going to write do you approve here's our summary For each chapter do you approve and they approved every step of the way until we came to a point where there was a book proposal that they had previously approved in all PR prev versions but change in National Security priorities kind of changed the whole sequence how do you feel about whistleblowers I I have a very

difficult time accepting whistleblowers why because I think that whistleblowing let's name names Okay so ask ask what you really want to I just want to really we're talking about of guys snow right snowden's one there's many there's many right so so when whistleblower blows a whistle because it is a true infraction of American freedoms and every other option hasn't worked then a whistleblower that's what a whistleblower is intended to be that's why the law protects whistleblowers when they can prove that they've tried every Other official Channel they can't go to jail they're protected by law

what happens is people get either too afraid or too lazy to go through every other channel so they go right to the Press that's the wrong kind of whistleblowing cuz that wh blowing results in more damage than good right Snowden is one of those examples he did not try every possible Avenue internally before he went to the Press which is why the law can't protect him anymore yeah and then He immediately ran to our enemies which further proves like what do you really want here bro correct and we've seen the same thing with UFOs and

you see the same thing with National Security you see the same thing in police departments and educational departments like whenever anybody Blows the Whistle the law is there to protect them to show that they have gone through every formal uh uh option available before they have to Simply make it public and that's Basically what you're trying to do with the book right you're like I'm going to get permissions if you don't give me permissions then we can take it to a court system if the court of law says no Then you don't publish that book

correct and it is what it is correct and you will respect that and that's there's the only that's the only way to show that you believe in the system that you're part of is to exercise every option in that system and I do believe that while We are a democracy that is strong Healthy and Wealthy we're not the perfect democracy but we're a whole hell of a lot better than most of the democracies out there and any of the autocracies out there so if we execute according to the system and the system deems at the

end of the day that we can't publish you got to trust the system to a certain extent right why do you want to leave America I heard you said you want to live someplace else so There's two reasons the first and that they're inner connected right the first reason is I believe that the United States is in that I think we're going through our middle school phase remember Middle School yeah remember how miserable Middle School was that's where we are as a country right now people forget we're under we're less than 300 years old We're

Young baby we're young so that that phase where you're used to wearing sweatpants but then you start Getting boners and you have to carry your math book in front of your pants to make sure nobody sees your boner but you don't want to stop wearing sweatpants yet and you're damn sure not going to start wearing tidy whes yet right like that's where we are as a country and it's all it's ugly and it's [ __ ] up but how long did Middle School last yeah long time and it didn't get any better in high school

right like so we are we are going through a very awkward phase As a country and it's going to be long and it's going to be slow and it's going to be painful you in your estimation what is long 10 years it's not that yeah what is the pain that we'll endure economic pain um the the loss of public influence of of international influence um we're we're going to start finding that we're friends with the wrong people right like we're you're seeing that happen now in Israel Palestine you're seeing that happen in Ukraine Russia Like

you're seeing it happen NATO four years ago if you were to ask anybody they'd say nato is strong America has all the right allies right America is the best well now you've got NATO is fracturing the European countries are coming out and saying that the United States shouldn't be part of NATO and those are our closest allies right France Spain Germany are coming out and saying we shouldn't listen to the United States anymore why do we Listen to them right you can't get funding for Ukraine right now you've got the president and uh you've got

the vice president and the head of National Security inviting Israel's opposition leader to come to the United States because they can't talk to Netanyahu right and that's Israel I mean Israel is one of our closest allies in the world and right now Biden and Netanyahu are at odds so you see this playing out and this is just within the last like six Months to two years so when you start to project that forward there's a presidential election coming up in November there is no good outcome from that election yeah what do you think happens in

that election nothing good but give me example like you say that to say you don't like any of the candidates or of all I'm saying that to say nobody likes any of the candidates there's nobody out there who's like Trump is the right choice and there's nobody out There saying Biden is the right choice there's a lot of people saying Trump is the best choice there's not a lot of people saying Trump is the right choice I mean that's yeah there's a lot of people who think Trump is the right choice fair you might not

respect their political but I hear what you're saying yeah yeah yeah you're talking about people with a geopolitical expertise they might go hey this guy isn't right for the job but he does have a lot of Fans that are just incredibly enthusiastic about him yes so yeah I think what we're going to see either a Biden Administration or a trump Administration or some sort of emergency Administration that happens because of something completely unforeseen on both sides right like like Biden's elected and then he has a heart attack and then there's an emergency Administration or Trump's

elected and then some criminal conviction comes through that's that That makes it so his his uh ability to serve as president is limited right there's also 82 so like there's all sorts of surprises that can happen so you have to leave space for surprises right but in all three scenarios it doesn't make it easy for the average American and how is our quality of life impacted and why would you want to leave that so our I want to leave BEC I want to leave in the next four years or in about four years because it's

not my Quality of life that I'm concerned about it's my children's opportunity and whatever comes next in our country one way or the other the the generation that's going to pay the penalty is our children it's not us but sorry here's where I'm stuck I thought you said it would be about 10 years the awkward phase right what do you think comes after 10 years is it not good after 10 years it's going to settle out it may settle out to be good it may settle out To be not good but a new normal will

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he'll go through the you know proper procedure and maybe we give him permission and if we don't you know what maybe we'll string him along for a few years just to see if we could piss him off just to see how loyal he is and then when he proves his loyalty okay maybe we'll put the book Out there but we have someone in this YouTube space the YouTube space is massive this is where information is existing this is where intelligence is existing and he'll go on all the biggest podcast and he'll do what he does

best which is make friends and assets of all these different people and imagine all the intelligence he can glean from that we'll let him have his Consultation business where he can go and make millions of dollars he deserves to do it We can't restrict him because then he would totally leave but if we need to call on him for anything if we need to call him for information he will be there for us tell me why I'm wrong because CIA would get all of that without me being on the payroll at all so so so

they are getting it if they ask for it but they don't ask for it that's so I'm not part of C until when so but that's until when you're thinking of CIA again like it's a corporation Corporation would take those steps because it' be worth the investment yeah CIA is the DMV the DMV would not take those steps right now CIA is a bureaucracy they are very confused about what to even do with me yeah what do they think of you right now have you spoken to them at all yeah it's a it's a mixed

bag it's a split decision there can you give me both sides what they say so the so there is the one Camp which is the older School Camp which believes That anything we do that capitalizes on our service and our time at CIA using the term CIA is just us Shilling out our background to try to make a buck so that's the negative side but then there's another side that's like somebody out there needs to be saying good things about CIA because everybody else who comes out and talks about CIA says shitty things about CIA

so we've got a foot and both there's a PR war going on here and I don't necessarily Think that you do bad for the CIA like I'm kind of uh like if you you saw Homeland which I assume the CIA signs off on on some level or it's it's because it's it's not written or authored by a CIA officer yeah there's no requirement for CIA to chop off on it oh wow well that [ __ ] is exciting you know I'm not saying how accurate it is no it might not be accurate but still like

you coming and You talking about this right I would imagine there are young talented people out there that would listen to this or watch this and then go wow I wonder if my skill set would lend itself to the CIA and that might be something exciting to do I don't necessarily see you as somebody who is painting the CIA as this horrible organization it doesn't even seem like you dislike them it seems like you think there's a lack of efficiency and that could be Restructured but as far as an organization I believe you feel like

it's important absolutely so everything you're saying is accurate right and everything you're saying is the work that I put into my public message about CIA because I personally as an American and as a father and as a former CIA officer I want the next generation of high- Performing hardworking talented people to join the agency whether they join for two years six years or 10 years All of us benefit from them joining the agency instead of joining the sales department at you know but here here is an issue though you're an intelligent dude you have found

a way to I would imagine make 10 x 20x what you were making at the CIA almost immediately after leaving right the people with the level of intelligence to work at the CIA and I'm assuming that there needs to be some IQ requirement right you could have all this stuff where you don't feel Guilt but if you're dumb it's not going to work right they you need to have an aptitude you need to be able to learn these things you need to be to learn them quickly and you need to put them out in the

field somebody with that level of intellect and that lack of do we call it empathy or lack of the feeling of guilt that's a huge advant in the regular workplace it you would rise quickly and make so much more money so how do we incentivize these people how Do we incentivize smart people in the same way that we can't get smart people to be politicians anymore how do we get them to be in government agencies at all well that's that's the question you guys are all going to be hedge fund dudes like people in your

position that's the million dollar question that's why you see so that's why you see there's a military recruiting crisis if you guys weren't aware of that military hasn't hit recruitment record recruitment Numbers in two years federal government can't recruit people fast enough right there's there's a dir of interested candidates in supporting the federal government because they see the federal government and put yourself in the shoes of like a of a 14-year-old yeah back in 2009 or 2005 that 14-year-old who is now whatever the age is 18 uh 21 23 right that that child then has

watched utter chaos in government and now they're deciding do I want to work for Google or Do I want to work for the federal government it's an easy answer there's also like is there been war that we feel has been Justified that we want to support So if you're a young kid seeing that and that's the ideology you know what I mean that's the ideology that you have I mean getting people to uh you getting people to join the Army around like World War II might have been one of the easier things to do you're

like I want to go defend my nation even after 911 there are people who are like I want to go listen let's get this get back nobody can [ __ ] with America not why we're here so I guess it is up to America and the powers to be to make sure that whatever Wars we're engaging in are are just enough to sacrifice our lives and if there is waning Military Support that's on you correct you know what I mean correct yeah it's not on the people for understanding what the [ __ ] is going

on if you look at if you look At veterans now it's shocking how many veterans exist right now that do not want their children to join the military when it used to be a uh I didn't used to be like that it makes sense completely logical sense but the only veteran I know are like I would never never but that wasn't the case it was my grandfather was a captain big part of the reason I was military my uncle was in the military my mom was in the military my stepdad was in the military My

aunt was in the military it's what you do so because it was so easy to recruit did that make them lazy when it came to like supplying services for vets and then now they're in the opposite situation I think yes and no I think it was easy for them to recruit so they didn't pay attention to what you do on the tail end of that person's career so yes I think there validity there but I think the larger thing that happened there is as the information age also Took over 20 years in the military between

1990 and 2010 is a massive 20-year transformation in technology so then we all woke up to the fact that the reason that there is a Veterans Affair there's a reason the reason you get lifetime medical benefits is because when you serve for the US military they don't care about your health and your well-being and your mental health like you're there to be a cog in a war And some cogs in the war Wheels die and get medals but many many more cogs in the warhe get traumatized get hurt and then they need medical care for

the rest of their lives and they don't have adequate medical psychological whatever care they starting to strip a lot of the bonuses or incentives away like schooling and the housing and things like that that were easier to get and now it's like they're stripping some of that away and that's because of cost Structure right so now with a recruitment crisis it's hard for the federal government to fund recruitment operations so then budgets start to shrink where do they save where do they find money to get more recruits they take benefits away and then you have

a we have more people who stay for four five or eight years and less people who stay for 20 years so the whole economics of military and government start to shift do can you explain to us scary Stuff what the military industrial complex is and how the CIA plays a part in it so the the short the short hard-hitting answer is that the military industrial complex is our Economic Security blanket that's that's what it is the reason that the United States loves war is because war ends recessions and the reason that and war ends recessions

is because the military-- industrial complex spins up tens of thousands of jobs are made Massive government spending is made people make a whole hell of a lot more money more taxes is taken and then all that military industrial produce all the production isn't just for us it can be sold to the UK it can be sold to France it can be sold to Germany can be sold to Israel it can be sold to money coming in yeah and you have money coming in and the people who are when foreign countries buy American Goods what denomination

do they use what currency Do they use American so then how do they get American dollars they got to buy them American dollars and then as you buy American dollars it takes American dollars off the market which does what to the value of your currency value it's net it's like a triple threat it's like Justin Timberlake man I mean this is really well said so that's why the military industrial complex was designed and it's a big part of the reason that Eisenhower warned Against it yeah his his speech when he left office yep he was

like once we create this Beast you can never put this back in a box it's always going to be there and it has contributed to our wealth over time it is the thing that China is trying to do right now the thing China is trying to replicate is its own military industrial complex so because it has watched us for economic and international gain for the last 30 years now doesn't it need War in order to properly utilize it it needs conflict exactly right my understanding with China's foreign policy it wasn't conflict based it was more

like investment and infrastructure based that worked Silk Road initiative what is it called belon Road belon Road okay so China's from 1990 to about or I'm sorry from 1980 to about 2000 uh 10 China was primarily focused on belt and Road initiative on uh diplomacy economic diplomacy and that's why you Saw what they call the China Miracle where China went from I mean speaking of per capita yeah yeah China went from $537 annual income per capita y to $5,000 yeah think about that yeah I mean a starving population to cities popping up everywhere unbelievable yeah

so um a 10x change in the average household income and the average person's income in just 30 years and we're talking about 1.4 billion people we're not talking about a country of a million people Where you can get that Chang okay so you're saying so they they were engaging in that let's let's be the world's producer let's be the world's warehouse and the world's Workforce for a long time y well when xinping took power he started to say well what are we going to do for the next 50 years which is why he came up

with a 50-year plan and when he started looking 50 years out he started realizing that if you're the World's manufacturer then you're always Manufacturing somebody else's Goods yeah and then looking at the United States we are we used to be the world's manufacturer Y and then we exported that and we took on tech jobs and we took on Innovation and we took on Innovation and that is now what do we export to the world yeah so now if anybody wants to import an American good like yes they might get rice and strawberries sometimes but most

of the time they're importing Financial structures they're Importing technology yeah big big stuff has IP behind it not actual tangible plastic Goods interesting so yeah on the military industrial comp real quick I just want you explain so you're saying now China is going to transition into military industrial complex uh which would mean that they would need conflict you got to use the bombs right so for the last five years or so what we've seen is a really aggressive push for China to change its economic Foundation away from being the world's manufacturer and into being the

world's Tech alternative to the United States huwei got once competition exists you can't put that back in a box so what's different is the United States we like to win like a good football game we like to win where it's like you know second quarter like or last half of the game we're 15 points behind and then we win by one the chief Super Bowl this year That's what we want right we want a huge finish a huge dominant and everybody talks about it for decades what China wants is China wants to win like soccer

right like small incremental gains until there's once the United States who is the world's economic superpower once we have par with another country which is equality with another country guess what happens to us our security status completely transforms why is that because we're no longer the dominant Power because there's another alternative you can go to if there's one restaurant in the neighborhood that's the only one that's serving the food they could charge whatever they want second there's another restaurant in that neighborhood all of a sudden the prices got to come down we about to stop

watching Chinese movies yeah right we already do okay okay okay this is this is really interesting but you still haven't explained what what's happening With their military-industrial complex how will they engage in these I I assume what happens with us right now is instead of us engaging in the hot war and yeah it does happen there's a lot of proxy wars that we are funding with weapons and and the so the United States I don't know if you guys are aware of this the United States has 20 different Special Operations groups okay um that's a

lot what is it is that like Rangers seals those are special Operations got it our nearest allies with very few exceptions like France Germany Spain the UK they have like four got it so we have 20 the next largest country or the next country with the most is Israel Israel has 18 different Special Operations groups oh wow the reason that you have these Special Operations groups is so that you can have a constant rotation of active training in real world conflict so we have people in Somalia and people in Mogadishu and people in Colombia and

people in Peru and we have people constantly fighting in support of joints forces in support of Allied Forces and peacekeeping missions right these are people who get realtime experience with real weapons firing downrange and shooting people for real without it being a war that's why we like proxy war uh we keep them warm we keep them warm constantly training constantly training China never had that I mean it's crazy To call it training it's a real [ __ ] War yeah but we see it for its training value and then you rotate people through that Jesus

Christ now when you look at what's happened the last year real quick on real quick on that knowing that we need training do we induce some of these conflicts so that we can have it or is or do we kind of seek them out and then apply Force it's it's more of the latter than the first we seek them out but once you have the biggest kid in the Playground on your side you're a whole hell of a lot more confident pushing the conflict you're saying the other countries knowing that the us is going to

come in and we're not really mad at it CU we need some training so they go start just our presence unintentionally WIll Stoke more war correct it's yeah it's like uh the way you would talk [ __ ] if you got a bodyguard yeah exactly has a very different energy than when you're with yourself okay go on go on so now if You if you understand that uh China has been investing more in its military industrial complex then uh it has been outpacing its investment in military industrial complex than its own GDP growth wow for

the last 5 years and it's already projecting next year to do it again wow so that means it GDP wise economically it should only be investing about 4% but it's but it's investing 9% so it's over spending on Military development combine that with the fact That in the last few months uh Taiwan actually just sent out a warning today saying that they're concerned because China has normalized meaning it's so common that they have normalized military excises around Taiwan including in Taiwan air and Taiwan Naval loral space so the reason that like China is normalizing that

type of military activity because the first stage to military-- Industrial domination the first stage is being able to protect the Homeland this is why the Civil War was so critical I know people think the Civil War was about slavery it was not the Civil War was about being able to create one country where from coast to coast we fell under one legal jurisdiction one country because it's easier to defend a country when it's one country with two sea borders as soon as it's two countries with two sea borders and land borders look at Russia yep

right you got to worry about every Single country around you joining NATO because then there might be a base that's put right up on your borders yeah yeah yeah exactly so what China is doing now is it's normalizing this military activity around Taiwan and it's doing that because it knows that with the size of military it has and with the modern military that it has for any other foreign aggressor to come to their home court and beat them is going to be difficult yep their plan for the next 10 Years is to grow their ability

to extend or reach their military out so first you protect yourself once you can protect yourself now it's time to dominate abroad and do you think that they will start engaging in proxy wars they're already engaging in proxy wars all over southeast Asia all over Africa what about what about South America South America were they involved in Venezuela so South America is interesting uh I can't speak knowledgeably on it right Now okay what the Chinese have found is that because of the rapid growth they had from the 1980s to the 2010s they had a surplus

of Revenue surplus of money so they could throw that money around that's what the belt and Road initiative is they the Bel and Road initiative made it so that so that China could send could extend loans to impoverished countries at rates that no Western Country could compete with yeah they were beating the world bank right they And the World Bank gives you the loan right specifically low so they can put you in the debt and whatever so China basically followed that same model learning from us so when it came to Latin America they didn't have

to engage in proxy wars because there were so many people there they were just willing to take loans in exchange for you know hundred-year leases and and property to land rights they basically just bought the Caribbean and they bought most of Central America and they bought parts of South America they just own for like 99 year leases let them do that we tried not to but the United States is a capitalist country we don't extend loans that are going to default we we can't do that because of checks and balances so then we rely on

foreign aid to do it well guess what happens with foreign aid foreign aid is not reliable because if you're hot you get lots of foreign aid if you're cold you don't get lots of Foreign aid so when you're the when you're the corrupt leader of Panama and you're like which of these two choices do I take that one so do you think China is the next superpower I I would assume it's China or one of the Middle Eastern countries yeah so China's the one that's the closest econ uh economic experts believe that by 2030 China

will have will have reached economic parity with the United States all things remaining the same so all things remain the same Means we also have to remain the same if we don't change we will see the rise of China to economic parity with the United States which in my opinion is just as bad as China being dominant yeah right because the effects are the exact same the effects are the same yes whether they're 1% better 10% better or% far off it's six years from now it's six years from now wait so you never answered the

question so where are you going to live so I plan on moving to Europe where Where so uh Portugal Spain Italy uh those are three of my top Croatia fire option yeah uh those are all countries that have a number of things going for them I'm also looking at Sweden first of all you don't want to be a Sweden bro they're neutral countries nobody SE nobody sees those countes Spain is incredible I used to live in Spain it's it's the best nobody sees those countries as a threat yeah so as the the economic superpowers of

the world start To fight over everything yeah that fight's not going going to Poland or that fight's not going to Portugal that fight's not going to Spain oh you're worried about Hot War I'm worried about Hot War I'm worried about uh economic War I'm worried about the uh forcing of policy like domestic policy in foreign countries because that's that's essentially what both the United States and China do the United States we're no innocent country like we force our Policies we force domestic policies in other countries that's why democracy grew was because we forced it we

basically said you have to have free Fair elections if you want our money you have to do this and who defined free and fair elections we did we're also the country that came up with gerrymandering yeah right so like it's it's [ __ ] up but that's China has learned from that that's what they do in Hong Kong it's what they do in Malaysia it's what they Do in the Philippines right they try to force foreign policy Andrew says this a lot and I think it's true when America is not a superpower let's say it's

China and this is why I am scared of China you're going to miss the American superpower because I don't know that they're going to be remote uh friendly with how they try to exert their or even like front facing friendly with how they try to exert their control is that something you think happens are You afraid of that uh I wouldn't so fear is less of how I Define it it's more like a series of uh probabilities is that a probability you see that's absolutely a probability I see and you're the way that China executes

on its Ambitions is different than the way the United States executes on their ambition that was my next question right we try to incentivize people to do what we want them to do hey do it and it might be a little bit Bad for you but it'll also be really good for you not Asian that's not the Asian way of doing things the Asian way of doing things is do it this way or you'll be punished or else so I like the world of incentives because incentives always give you options but the world of enforcement

is difficult and so this is this is why 10 years will help to Define kind of what's going to happen to all of us wow but the next 15 to 20 years after that is going to look like this seahorse Right or this uh SE seesaw this this rocking back and forth of you know democracy becomes a little bit more invogue yeah authoritarian power becomes a little bit more in Vogue as we're all kind of Trapped In This effect of which of these do we really choose can you speak about Chinese officers or operators in

America right now um so what I can speak on that's allowed is the stuff that has been making headlines more and more um we know that The Chinese have secret police stations in the United States and Canada it really was big a big deal in Canada yeah everything's a bigger deal in Canada yeah syrup's a bigger deal in Canada yeah but uh so and they do that because uh at at the core of the Chinese experience like we talked about the American experience at the core of the Chinese experience you are Chinese first that's ideology

that we were talking about right right so you you Have such a close tie to your family and you have such a close tie to the Homeland then even if you are a Chinese immigrant you're still fighting for your family and for the Homeland right it's still your first loyalty doesn't mean it's your first loyalty by like 99 to1 it could be 6040 but it's still your first loyalty and you are often times responsible for caring for the older generation so your Revenue your money is actually going back to China to take Care of your

parents until you can bring them to the United States so which is quite common for immigrants though it is yeah I don't think it's a spe idiosyncratic to chosing it to the US ideology which is self first out ass correct in the United States mom and dad have a retirement fund and they have social security and they save their own 401k and if they didn't well why the hell didn't you do that Mom and Dad that's on you yeah yeah like now you're Draining on me how does it feel that you know the the grandkids

are eating Ramen because you can't pay your diabetes bill or whatever it is right like that's a whole different mindset in the United States yeah so stuff like secret police stations that are not sanctioned uh the incredible amount of Chinese Ence collection that happens here in the last week before coming here we had a military uh person a US military officer or sorry US military enlisted person get Arrested for Chinese Espionage we had Google a a technician at Google got arrested for Chinese Espionage wow right so the Chinese are actually actively recruiting from our Tech

sector and from our military and that's just in the last seven days when you look at the prosecuted cases of Chinese Espionage in the United States over the last 5 years it's record break breing more intelligence Espionage case arrests just arrests than ever before every time There's an arrest our rule of thumb is for every one arrest there's nine more operations that haven't been caught yet who W so it gives you an idea of how active the Chinese are against the United States I don't want to paint the Chinese out to be a bad guy

they're just doing the same [ __ ] we do this is the game but we're the big dog they're trying to become the big dog they're a little meaner dog though they're a very different breed what offer for Espionage Is it just money so this is so the offer for Espionage when we talk about the offer we have to remember it goes back to those four right those four ideologies or those four motivations reward we usually associate with money but reward is not about money it's about what you will do with the money right oh

yeah yeah yeah you guys don't work for money you might think at that service level of course I work for the money no no no you work for what you're going to Do with the money with the money okay so what the Chinese have learned about our culture is that in our culture we all brag about the money and we keep secret what we're going to do with the money it's really there because I'm worried that my kids might not have enough money for college it's really there because I'm worried about when I get older

and I get sick it's there because I'm worried about something or something else so when they make a plea for us or when They make an offer to us for money often times it's because we're already in debt and we've made bad financial choices because our culture is a debt driven culture MH and we're also worried about money in the future because we're already in debt so it makes it very easy for them to come in with a monetary salvation wow and we're like oh [ __ ] yeah I mean I'll my secrets are worth

that much to you because my own government doesn't think they're worth That much to them 200k in student loan debt even though I work at Google I still have a lot of Deb I'm worried yeah and then you've got the whole uh the ideology of the United States also includes cultural ideology that doesn't exist in Asia like for example sex is still a taboo Topic in the United States as as open as it's become it's still a very taboo topic like the whole sexual deviancy thing I was just telling you guys about right we don't

really like to Talk about what our particular Kink is with just anyone we don't really like to talk about how often we have sex or don't have sex with our spouse or our girlfriend or whatever else we don't like talking about whether or not we explored homosexuality in college there all sorts of stuff that we don't talk about that Europe talks about on the front page of the newspaper that they that they'll go out and have drinks and like cheers each other and talk China Way more comfortable with it no but China to believe they're

not more comfortable with it but they know we are uncomfortable with it so they know how to present us with what's known as in in colloquial terms sexpionage they can feed our sexual interest because they don't have individual Freedom it is what the they we I guess the CIA accused Trump of doing with Russia like oh you got peed on you don't want anybody to know that we got you get peed on now we Hold this power over you China will do that to someone in the that's that's the sea in rice that's Co black

maale is coercion the other option to that is you get a Chinese girlfriend a CH a discreet quiet beautiful girlfriend that goes where you need her to go when you need her to go there and she treats you like a king every time you arrive so every couple in Williamsburg is just spies I mean it's it's not a it's not a far off accusation right but you want to Know why all those I mean there's a there's a real problem with American academics traveling to Asia and the reason that it's such a problem is because

they land in qual and poor and they have their Chinese girlfriend waiting for them for 4 days that their spouse doesn't even know about all taken care of by the academic institution that invited them there and those girls might not start as operatives they might just be hookers or Mistresses or Whatever and then they become an asset of an operative right Yep this is so interesting and then you're saying that we can't do it in America because we have individual freedoms in can't force an American to become to prostitute their body yeah now if they

do it they do it but we can't say this is what you should do correct and if they do it so not only that but in the United States we've also gone for our actual trained agents our trained field operators we Actively enforce that they don't take that step because when you take that step any kind of romantic or physical anything because of our ideology in the United States sex is very difficult to separate from connection out of our control have you have has anybody ever tried to flip you we've all been attempted in different

ways and how did you know could you tell they were an agent yeah and what were they doing where were you so the can you say where Where you were yeah so there so my time at CIA I can't talk about that okay when I left CIA one of my first big jobs was in private intelligence okay I went to the United Arab Emirates UAE okay to carry on a private intelligence contract there because they were pulling from the Trump school of thought and they're like hey we're going to privatize our intelligence also and it

was a it was a high paying job in a foreign place I could take my family and write my own Check right so so you had to go get Intelligence on someone out there uh can you speak on it it's an NDA contract so but I was supporting private intelligence in Abu Dhabi right so those are our peoples out there you know what I mean well they're they're our allies right so uh when you're out there you're also presented to everybody else who's traveling through Dubai or traveling through Abu Dhabi so you got the Russians

and the Chinese and the the North Koreans the Iranians all of them can travel through the Middle East unlike they can in parts of Europe right so you have everybody presented to you all the time so what often times happens is it's not like it is in the movies where somebody walks up to you and they're like they they hand you like a suitcase and they're like you going spy for us now right it's not it's not quite like that instead they they try to build a relationship with you They try to find out what

you do you know they're a foreigner you hear the foreign accent you know they're a foreigner because they they have an ID a national ID in the Emirates that sh that says what your nationality is right but you still have to do business with all of them so you're you have to work with the Chinese and the Israelis and the Russians the difference is how do you determine which are doing a job so how' you do it and which you're doing the Other job yeah what gave it away well it it doesn't you don't it

doesn't get given away until they start asking you to have like personal relationships where you keep secrets okay and give me an example like was there anybody who was really good and while it was happening you're like oh these [ __ ] this is a new level I didn't even so the mad is actually really good at this okay so tell me tell me so when mad mad will Work with you is the Israeli intelligence Israeli foreign collection shinb is their FBI is their FBI got it so Israeli Massad will they'll work with you they'll

collaborate with you they'll share with you everything is a team fight and it's always in the workplace until you have a big victory and then when you have a big victory then they're like we should celebrate this at this nice hotel or at this nice bar or what ever else we've got a connection through The you know the Israeli connections and now we're going to have like a private room and all this other stuff and it's going to be this this bang up party once as an as a trained intelligence officer once someone takes you

from a public setting into a private setting you know that you're now on a what we call a developmental path they're trying to develop you into so you're immediately hi to it you're immediately red flagged okay right wa red flag me you red flag Them got it but at the same time like there's lots of culture that just want a party yeah so you go to the party and then you have to hey you could go both ways honestly okay this is good this is good this is good so you have to assess then what

happens at the party so you're at this party so now when you're at the party again standard Massad tactic is you're at the party and then they'll start pulling you off of the main party To have like these sidebar conversations about work stuff like hey it was incredible that you found that thing that you found that deep fake video and you're able to reverse engineer who it came from how did you do that like can you tell me how you did that so this is why it's important that you don't use substances if you're a

little loose with the drinks you might volunteer that information right and you've already built a report these people you guys Just celebrated a victory your teammates it's hard enough sober to not talk yeah yeah okay okay this so you can any stroke in your ego look what you did and exactly so you can see yourself going down this this what we we also call it a slippery slope if you've ever climbed a tall mountain of course you get past the tree line you get into the Rocks it's like a rock scramble we call that a

slippery slope in Espionage too once you cross that tree line it's very hard to Keep from slipping how do you maintain your relationship with them while shutting down their questioning you have to there has to be a point with a trained intelligence person where you use a language that they understand to let them know that the development stops there can you say what that is [ __ ] yeah so you'll you'll have to say something like I appreciate our work together but you're getting into a realm that's that I'm not willing to share with you

oh so You got it I thought it would be more subtle you basically just tell them no I mean that's pretty subtle in our world oh really right in our world subtle is I have professional obligations that prevent me from going down this road what's not subtle shoot you in are you a [ __ ] spy are you trying to steal slmo my speak okay so you had to say that to him and then does he smile and go oh you knew what I was doing is there like a Little gamesmanship there's some G not

with the not with mad mad is business the Russians there's gamesmanship because the Russians are thinking this the Russians are thinking you say no today but tomorrow game on and also we've been doing this with for decades with the Russians right there is it is a dance okay all right had now I imagine you've also tried to do this with others others and did you do the same tactic do you Guys have this Victory and then all of a sudden you pull them aside no that's so the American tactic is very different than a lot

of other tactics okay what's the American we are personal right share you just share mem all the time dickpics yeah okay okay so wait wait you're personal all the time what does that mean so that means right out of the so can you give us an example after CIA you can talk about it uh yes after C I can talk about it so same private contract In the Middle East I needed to bring over a reporting source for my contractor for my for my uh contract holder reporting Source means an intelligence Source in the private

world so you need a private intelligence Source from another contractor and you need to bring them over uh from a foreign country and they're professional this is what they do for a living and you got to break them uh yes exactly right except often times you're not Trying to break anybody what what does that mean because you're not trying to you're at our way of doing things right the best practice in the United States is that you're not trying to break someone's will you're not trying to trick them or dupe them how do we operate

with incentives scratch my back I scratch yours is it fact only my scratch is better yeah I got you now now now so they don't even think that they have become a double agent they are you They are grasping with that they they they are professionals so they know that's what they're being asked to do but at the same time they're like I'm getting this information which my people might like or more importantly they're thinking I'm getting this other Benny that my people don't even have to know about wait oh oh okay so take us

through okay so you got your target are there multiple and you locking on one or was it always one for the whole time so Usually what it is is you have a Target but the Target that you want is not reachable because the Target that you want is never going to convert so you end up pursuing that Target to find out who their network of Close Associates are so then you can peel off it's like trying to get a mob bus and then you just get the other guy to snitch right so that's more of

how it actually works and then when you actually find your way to the associate ideally the associate Has the ear of the primary target so now by influencing the associate you influence the primary target okay so tell me how you did it so then when you approach the associate the associate is trained but the associate also has their own challenges can you give me the story can you give me the story of how it happened uh I I can give you it's still NDA but I can give you some of it right so I approached

my my associate you guys are already have a rapport you're Already working together well I mean day one day one as soon as I know this is the person that I think is going to get me connected to the to the to the main target yeah I'm not keeping it professional I'm I am making it personal different than mad mad wants to keep it professional until there's a reason to make it personal our process is different because our process has to fit our culture and what people stereotypically think okay so what will You do what

what would you we got to come over for dinner come over for a barbecue come meet my kids come you'll use your family your whole your whole world is yours man and there's no guilt in that there's no fear there's fear but there's I mean you can control the fear you can control your security but the guilt part isn't really this is a foreigner okay okay keep going keep going right so then right away you're like hey let's let's find a way to bond Over something uh easy and surface level basketball football golf women booze

whatever else especially when you're talking to a foreigner cuz foreigners have much less like brain well they have less sensitivities than a lot of Americans do because we are a Christian culture you know at at heart yeah so it's much easier to be like hey what do you like to do and they're like I like to gamble I like to bet big and lose big and you're like well then let's Go do the thing right and then when you're there and they lose their ass then you step in and you're like man you got better

luck than me because I lost my ass two hours ago so let's put another 500 on you and then you you start to show them that you're a good time you start to do all the same [ __ ] that you were saying earlier you were like I like you now and I I trust you now like you were just saying if you're bringing them to your wife to your Family your wife knows what time it is she's she's an operative too so y'all are firing on all cing right so that's how you and now

remember we're talking to about a trained professional on the other side cuz they know so that trained professional on the other side knows who you are and they know what you did especially me when I left CIA I've been overt ever since I left so they know I'm formerly trained CIA so they knew when I was an Abu Dhabi that that's what I was There to do I was there in an intelligence capacity I was there supporting a private contract how the [ __ ] do you still get them because they want something more you

keep in mind secrets are a commodity that what they want something more meaning it's a personal thing or they representing their country want something more person they want to gamble they want drugs they want women they they want money because they're they've Been busting their ass their whole life for a government wage they've got kids that have uh medical issues that can't be treated in their home country you'll find out about all those things yeah because what happens is when we take it when you make it personal right away when you make it personal right

away you break down all those contrived barriers of what we can and can't talk about and do you just go to your employer and be like yo give me x amount of money and we Can get whatever you need but sorry real quick it can't be hey here's money straight up they have to to trust that you would give them money no strings attached right it's not even just about money it's about that you are the solution provider right their kid has an illness yep I don't have to give them money to have them treat

their kids illness I can make a call to a buddy who's a doctor in buy again and you just have to take your Kids to what you were saying it's not about the money it's about what the money buys what it does so I've I've heard this with like different operatives words it's like oh they found out they're a huge football fan and they're like dude I actually have a jersey like Patriots sign Jersey like you should you should have it or like they'll give them something like that hypothetically let's say you found out someone

was a huge fan of STM comedy Let's say they loved Andrew Schultz okay let's say they loved AOS okay how could you leverage that into getting what you want so if I know they're a big F well first of all if they're a big fan of your types of Comedy yeah they're good guys I but I know a lot about them you guys have a very unique style sexual deviant so right away yeah they're not going to see Sinbad you know yeah so that tells us a lot but then what I can that's interesting yeah

So it's super important yeah um what we can do is I can say that I have a client that has front row seats to Andrew's next show but the client can't make it so I've got these three tickets that are burning a hole in my pocket do you want to come I'll come and then do you want to bring your wife or do you want me to find like a cute lady to come with us oo now would you buy the tickets out right with the money or would you go to SCH be like yo

can we get some Tickets for the thing maybe do a meet and greet well so the reason I wouldn't right now from today forward from today forward that makes me a yes the reason I wouldn't do that is because now I put a bookmark in his mind yeah why did Andy want three free tickets right why do you want to be comped if I come to him and I'm like I want two tickets he might be like oh it's for you and your wife and then he's gonna look for me at the show but instead

it's much easier just go to [ __ ] ticket B office and buy three tickets on a throwaway credit card under somebody else's name [Music] tiets he does look for me day can put lame disgu so he me good to but that's that's how it would work to to the Target yeah if you ask me tickets I would need information yeah I be like I want to know everything wait so you got you got the dude though you got the information from him we so where I got Is I got I got the guy to

understand that he was selling his information to my clients through the contractor and that it was a discreet Rel reltionship with the contractor and that I was going to leave and that's that's the ultimate goal for us in the intelligence world the ultimate goal is to get your target to share its information directly with the institution so that you can exit that's the ultimate and that's the game worldwide so you don't even want to know The information you have to in the beginning but the most everybody who knows the information is a liability in the

what we call the chain of acquisition the chain of acquisition of the information can you explain why it would be a liability give me a worst case scenario with it sure sure so uh the asset themselves give you a piece of information let's just say it's whatever they give you they give you the can of information well now they have to give Me that same can if I take a sip or if I spill it it's different and then if I give it to you you might take a sip or you might spill it and

then by the time it actually gets to the organization it's only half full how often are guys like you do incorporate Espionage in the US that must be a massive thing because information is everything in business and competition so I want to be I'm going to be very particular about words Espionage is illegal okay everywhere in The world Espionage is illegal the only reason that uh clandestine CIA officers can participate in Espionage is because there's a there's a carve out in the US law that makes it so when you're trained by the US government and

collecting secrets about foreign countries in support of the US government you won't be prosecuted for Espionage corporate Espionage industrial Espionage always illegal there's no carve out to protect those so what do you call it so Espionage as you think of it the steal the definition of Espionage is stealing of Secrets corporate Espionage shouldn't happen most standup Professionals in the intelligence world don't do that because the risk is too high right if I help Yahoo steal secrets from Duck ducko I'm going to jail for a long time got it so people don't participate in that what

they do participate in is private intelligence private intellig means finding legal Methods in which to collect information that you can use to create an analysis or an assessment so now if I want to do an analysis of Verizon in support of AT&T I can find multiple legal ways to collect data about Verizon I can then compile it using proprietary methods that creates an assessment for AT&T two very different things why don't you just Target higher ups at all the fortune 500s and then do insider trading get rich and sail off into Sunset it's That's a

lot more work than you would think uh first of all and secondly the higher ups and a lot of those organizations they don't actually carry the the decision- making I mean well Target someone who would be the decision maker and then trade like Nancy Pelosi which and that so that's that is essentially who does that it's the boards of directors uh uh in those large companies that usually have that kind of insight because they're the ones that Make the decision what doesn't doesn't get approved that the CEO present so but the people who have relationships

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anybody could be I think anybody could be you're definitely smart enough you're handsome enough facts right so you could do it but uh the bigger concern with someone like you is not that you're doing it wittingly it's that you're doing it unwittingly that you are being used that's what I think is happening now with you like I think you got me you put that clip out there right you you responded to what we sat on the Pod And then I took the bait but I knowingly took the bait so there like this guy baiting me

and then I get him on the Pod but then maybe I wanted him on the pod in the first place so you never know so you're the master I could be it's it's show enough what country do you think that I would be working for if you judging by his nose mad it's too obvious it's too obvious obvious too obvious cuz I've been doing all this raah ra America stuff but maybe that's Just to throw the scent off the trail that's true you you could be you could be really good lvan intelligence sick yeah yeah

he's got that kind of Eastern block like a division three country I know not even a basketball player no is is there a country that's really small but has incre outside of Israel that you would you were surprised by their level of intelligence Cuba really CU yep Cuba's poor Cuba's small Cuba's Ostracized their intelligence is amazing and and how are they getting their intelligence out there in the world I mean how do they even get it go that well that's what's so impressive about it right what what we've learned to do in the United States

is leverage our economic incentive to get people to spy for us Cuba leverages almost exclusively ideological motivations where people feel bad for the plight of Cubans they feel that like it's a uh a uh in Injustice what's happened to the Cubans and they feel like that poverty is being forced by Western democracy or whatever so what they're able to do is find sympath ists and then cultivate those sympath ists to either take positions of government or they have found the sympath ists already in positions in government and they boly Ida Montes Montes perfect example the

the Anna Montes case is really interesting because Anam Montes was working for Dia And recruited by the Cubans at the same time as another gentleman named William might be William Burns um who was working for the Department of State and also recruited by the Cubans at the same period of time and this was during the Clinton Administration when Clinton's all of his foreign policy about Cuba was being dictated by two spies by two organizations the state department and the DIA they were already influenced by and those were the leading Experts on Cuba the [ __

] so the entire Clinton administration was being essentially directed by the Cubans because of this this perfect conglomeration this perfect triangle of intelligence and when do we find that out uh 19 I think she was convicted in the early 2000s actually when was Anam Mones convicted um let me find out now okay he out arrested 2001 2001 okay now wow yes so the damage had already been done Couldn't be unone cuz he's already out ofice years that she was involved all eight years theoretically now that's really interesting you don't necessarily need to get your citizens

in another country and then trick them into allowing them into government you can get the sympathy in those countries into government and wow you probably even see that happening now right that's why ideology is the most powerful of all the motives Think about all the things that fall under like religion ideology uh nationalism ideology academics ideology family ideology ideology is a super powerful thing man has has any other countries done that to us as well uh yes so the I mean the the Russians that's right the Russians there was Russians are what was that story

there was a guy who was like he he was head of the investigation unit uh I guess was it in the FBI it was yeah yeah You tell the story yeah this is this is I I mean I know why we haven't made a movie of it but it should be every one of their movies Robert Hansen and aldri Ames again during the Cold War period yeah one was FBI one was CIA and the Russians had recruited them both for upwards of a decade what so they were able more interesting so they were able to

collect information on what CIA operations were in Russia and what FBI operations were against Russia in the United States while simultaneously being able to influence what because these two the organizations were actually looking into and on top of that the people within those organizations that were hired to look for the mole yep were them yeah so then these two guys were so senior that when the mole hunt started they're like we'll take a long they hired the mole so how does how does we are the easiest to [ __ ] they got to the top

level Fall then how does is it it I mean you would think that's such a powerful thing that's like having a on chessboard yeah how did it not work so how did how did the how did the US essentially win the Cold War at least that's what I understand happened the US didn't win the Cold War Russia imploded if you remember the the fall of the Berlin Wall was the Soviet Union collapsing and is that because communism is sustainable or was I mean the way they were trying the Way the USSR was trying to run

communism wasn't sustainable and then you think China's worked out those Kinks I'm very worried about China if you can't tell well well well just to stay on this one real quick is uh you I think the CIA had implemented a like economic deployment a block no not not even a block I think they were deploying resources uh uh to like American what was it impressionist art no it was a Postmodern art postmodern art like they were deploying Capital to bolster Western I guess ideology and artistic expression so there was like um there was a there

was a move to I guess what support certain cultural institutions in America and make them seem more successful than they really were correct so again what you're getting at is a lot of what defined the pre- 911 CIA got it which was spaghetti on a wall oh just try anything try Anything and it's very difficult to quantify the value of any of those things right like pouring a bunch of money into postmodernist art done by Spanish artists in Barcelona this is funny right this is funny let's try it in retrospect we're like it was the

most genius but yeah yeah it did nothing not that we could measure maybe it was the game changer MK Ultra same thing same thing MK Ultra is one of those things where it's like hey the bad guys are Doing it we should do it too how do we measure the success before 911 you oversight and so you guys could just throw anything at the project Target right remote viewers and and try to like use LSD to be able to like hack into people's brains the bad guys are doing it we should do it too how

do we measure it I want to go into MK Ultra and project Stargate but uh uh also real quick just back to um to CIA spending that's what some people say the space Race was about right bankrupting Russia and did that lead to the implosion of Russia it was part of it the thing that backfired is that Russia beat us in the space race in two out of I think four categories or they got there at first they the first space walk they did first space walk but they didn't hit the moon correct but they

didn't get to the moon that's right and their spaceships were [ __ ] insane did you see the thing like it was a crap shoot the the things That they were sending up there the the fact that the any of them worked the first guy I forget the guy's name the balls on this guy Yuri what was it Yuri I forget his last name right now it I mean they're literally just going we need to beat the Americans send anything up there anything trash cans with duct tape dude Yuri gagar thank you very much so

that I mean but is that true that America was funding or the CIA was funding this space race in an effort to Make Russia economically unsustainable I don't I mean it it's a it is a very plausible Theory I wouldn't call that a conspiracy theory I would call that a very plausible Theory uh because it makes sense CIA maintains a black budget it's a covert budget and that the way that that covert budget is appropriated is through things that where there's extra money there's extra money that the budget can't account for that like your bean

counters in Washington can't Account for so they put it into the black budget so that CIA can use it for national security reasons oh so you basically have a big deep black check a big de a deep blank check to do all sorts of crazy [ __ ] that's the spaghetti on the wall That's the spaghetti on the now do you think that was more effective or less because I hear you say the new CIA isn't that great either right are there just elements of both what do you prefer the old pre 911 or post

911 no Post 911 I prefer much much better because the post 911 one you have checks and balances to confirm that what they're doing doesn't hurt Americans okay pre 911 all sorts of [ __ ] could happen and you wouldn't have any idea if it's affecting Americans or not right so post 911 I think is far better than that however we've also lost our tolerance for risk and when you're asking how do people in the CIA view me like it's a Split decision because there's a lot of people at CIA who are trying their best

to do a good job who know CIA is no longer taking risks they're afraid to take certain risks cu afraid that some Congressman or some Senator is going to say no and someone's going to lose their job and then they're going to lose their pension so you've got a bunch of Junior officers who are like we need to try something new and a bunch of senior officers who are like we need to fill The box with exactly what we know to but it is tricky because you're operating in in the most high stakes game so

the risk requires incredible accountability right o and and the risks are not even to you right like in intelligence I may take the risk to collect the secret but the longer that secret the longer that secret is protected all of us are at risk it's almost like Amer wait wait wait what did you mean by that because if if somebody else is holding a secret That they know about us that I can't collect to collect it I put myself at risk if I don't try to collect it we put all of us so you're saying

you it's it's more beneficial it would behoove us to take more risk because it actually keeps us all safe the RIS so what would a risk be that you would have to take that people are a little bit concerned about doing so uh uh for example right if you had uh if you had a big negotiation coming up Between for agriculture and I bring this up a lot because you'd be shocked how much Espionage has to do with being able to anticipate agricultural trading if you think about what's happening in the Black Sea right now

I was just about agriculture with Ukraine right yep so uh so when it comes to agriculture the idea of let's say Obama got egg on his face because the NSA was caught collecting secrets about agriculture on anela Merkel in Germany That's right I remember that and it was such a weird thing because we're like why would we collecting series from uh secrets from like one of our allies Germany's not telling not being transparent about their trade policy with a common Third Country so we have to collect from Germany and collect from our Target Third Country

to see if the two countries are telling us the truth about each other and they weren't correct so he was right to do it correct So he didn't really get [ __ ] egg in his face this [ __ ] was lying except that it did massive damage to the German us pack to me I'm like that's on you like if it if it oh go on go on I mean I understand what you're saying yeah I he you're saying that's the American point of view to Nato NATO was like what the [ __ ]

man how dare you spy on an Al Germany is the economic engine of all of Europe yeah and now you just pissed them off okay okay so but continue so that's That's kind of how it works so uh the the the kind of risks that you need to take are the risks that there's going to be some kind of flap that makes a rift between the de the Diplomatic Rel relationships between two countries that are supposed to be strong and everybody's worried about losing their [ __ ] job because if they turns out that the

intelligence doesn't really support anything now we took this big risk to piss off Great Britain or could Piss off Germany or piss off Canada one of our allies and we got nothing from it you get canned right and and and that's Europe when you're talking about Latin America or Africa now you're talking about like we pissed off the warlord and now they're taking the B and I instead and now we've completely lost access to China's like we're not going to do that to you yeah we're going to play nice unlike America yeah and then we

lose all of our Global influence and not to Mention a big risk we force I'm sorry I just hit our mic and then not to mention we force our we force our ideology on other countries so we're like hey Mogadishu we'd love to help you you need to have free and fair elections uh you are not a democratically elected president so you need to you need to create a schedule of Elections and you need to find a way to make sure that your voters can all vote equally and then meanwhile that same warlord has the

Chinese going up and being like we don't need to change [ __ ] [ __ ] you just need to sign on the dotted line here that we have access for the next 99 years and why is that so important to us that we push our ideology easier to control it's it is our postor War II strategy coming out of World War II remember the United States was pretty much untouched during World War II if anything our econ our Bang Yeah our economy exploded yeah Germany France Poland reeling destroyed y like industrially and architecturally destroyed

so we went in there and we were like hey we have plenty of money to give you loans we have plenty of infrastructure to come in and start building immediately but in order to get access to that money and access to this you have to follow these guidelines and then we became the leader of the democratic world right but why why did we feel like that was advantageous Proximity to Russia maybe so we thought was it was economically advantageous because we knew that by rebuilding these countries oh no that part I makes sense but why

pushing ideology why was the ideology the rice thing where ideology is the strongest correct it's it's so we can control your ideology we can control your got it I see I see and we're essentially we're essentially programming into the new economy a Reliance on the United States yeah o Brilliant holy [ __ ] Y and guess who's following that model now China they are programming into these economies that they are putting money that they are now reliant on China that's what we've been doing and this is I love my country I love the CIA this

is how it works this is best practices this is the game this is the game if you don't like it that's fine it's still the game whether you like it or not and it's the game that we Mastered and it's the game that that we have now been playing for so long that somebody else has been watching our tape just like you watch the Rival football teams tape and now they're like I think we know how to do it better I'm I'm listening to you it's almost like you know you talked about when you're young

you have a big tolerance for risk and then as you get older not so much it's almost like the us as a young country took on all the risk CIA throw spaghetti At the wall here's the money who gives a [ __ ] as the US gets older more security now we're like yo chill everybody let's just keep things the way they are I don't want to take also when you're in to our detriment when you got the top spot there's only one place to go so everything feels like Risk it's true when you're coming

up it's like yeah this W is worth it we could get the topot nothing to lose so again so so democracy pushing democracy pushing Ideology is a is a form of control in that not only do we control what they believe in but we can control the way that they operate commercially is that the idea yes I mean you can how does how does how does the Democracy create the Reliance on the US outside of the loan because if you want a certain if we as America want a certain political power to win an election

we can come in and say we believe in this person not that other person yeah right we've done that Before we will we will give more foreign aid because this person is such a strong Democratic leader but if you vote for that person we're going to have to pull back our foreign right it's exactly what we did in with Hamas in in in Palestine right we we said we will support the Palestinian people in Gaza MH and then we reclassified Hamas as a terrorist group again right we Declassified them in 2019 reclassified them in 2024

as a terrorist Group and then once we reclassified them we pulled money out because we can't support a terrorist group but we didn't Define them as terrorist group before I'm saying is you do it in order to and I imagine other countries also are like well I can't be supporting a terrorist group that's what we I think that's what our strategy in conjunction with Israel was hoping for but instead what happened is many of our closest European allies were like that's [ __ ] up America we're Going to double down and put more money in

Turkey France Spain they kept it going and now that's why you see the Biden Administration where they are now bound up cuz now they're like well [ __ ] we took we called them terrorists we took back money and people still dying and Netanyahu is still going crazy so what do we do now now there's a split between Netanyahu and Biden now they're talking to the opposition parties in Israel to see if they can find a way to Make a ceasefire of some sort right I mean it's today is the second day of Ramadan which

is one of the largest Muslim holidays and there was supposed to be a ceasefire that was orchestrated to bring to help kind of Honor this holiday and instead it's not happening what do you think happens in Israel Palestine so I mean for all the concerns that people had about Putin being ousted during his war in Ukraine Netanyahu is At way more risk than Putin ever was really because Israel's a functioning democracy right right the people actually have a say there's relative transparency there they already have people calling for re-election they already have opposition leaders being

welcomed and acknowledged in the west like Netanyahu is in a nasty Place really to be is there not support for BBY in uh in Israel right now there is support but it's a very narrow far right Support got it where most of the country has taken a very moderate Oh I thought that the war kind of unified the country behind it did for the first probably temporarily similar to 911 the protests are coming oh and now they're starting to come back interesting so he's what's up remember 911 how we all got along and then eventually

Fu we what the [ __ ] we doing we split further than ever so it's almost like you have a small window to get done what you need to get done where You have full support and the longer that window lasts the riskier your position is and we learned that lesson after 911 which is why the Americans went out and said hey you know Israel you have had an injustice done don't do the Air Raids that you're planning don't make the mistake that we made interesting but it was a political opportunity for Netanyahu to consolidate

power in in a time when there was already divisiveness about whether or Not the country liked him or not and as a result to your point Hamas is now more popular with stronger support in both Gaza and the West Bank than ever before because people there is absolutely a difference between a Palestinian and a Hamas terrorist they are not the same thing yes but because the media for so long has called them the same thing have has you have used the two words interchangeably yeah now it's common knowledge if you look at the News a

week after October 8th when the attack happened you would see the news say 11,000 people have been killed in Palestine according to Hamas authorities and then you would see a little disclaimer at the bottom that says Hamas controls the Gaza so the health and the health uh uh whatever comes from them right so basically saying don't trust this information because it comes from Hamas when you look at the same thing now it'll say 30,000 people have been killed according to the Palestinian health authority oh wow wow so we have just validated that Hamas who we

are also calling a terrorist organization is a valid government organization oh and It's tricky because they've always been the the appointed political power in Gaza since 2007 so they have been that but because we've been so shitty with our vernacular and our terminology we've let the waters get foggy and now it's Very difficult to teach people the truth well I think we've questioned whether or not they were actually democratic elected right that was mying yeah there's there's very little evidence to say they were democratically elected but it's also because they're because of the aparti that's

been practiced in in Palestine territory for so long there's a question of whether or not they could even have a democratic election yeah but the it's the the fact that They're growing in popularity on the West Bank is the part that's so interesting because the West Bank has always been a us-backed coalition of the fat government now even that is falling apart so what do you think happens do you think BB gets ousted I don't I I would imagine in Israel either a ceasefire is called that gets prolonged while some new normal takes place and

a two-state solution comes Back on the table that's the most likely thing that's going to happen whether that happens soon or not I don't know whether we're talking months or years but if for Netanyahu to remain in power he's going to have to call a ceasefire and then work through a ceasefire same thing is going to happen in Ukraine Ukraine and Israel are going to look very similar from this point forward in what way because the the aggressor or the the us-backed country Ukraine and Israel have both made promises that they can't maintain there's no

way zalinski is going to win this war to the point where all of the priet era boundaries of Ukraine are returned to Ukraine so now the decision is just how many people are going to die yeah this the decision is how many people are going to die before you call a ceasefire and basically cun the country in half according to the borders that are already there y in Israel like uh netanyahu's promised That he's going to occupy Palestinian lands once they are done clearing cleansing the people of Hamas right that's not going to happen you're

not going to cleanse them of Hamas like you've created an injustice Hamas is always going to be there and then if you do occupy Palestinian lands they're still Palestinian lands and now you're going to have even more impetus for Palestinians to join Hamas and fight back against against Israeli occupation So both of those leaders are going to find they can't fulfill their promise the next best thing to fulfilling your promise is essentially to find some kind of prolonged stalemate that gives the world a chance to reset with a different disaster that takes the attention off

of you and then once that different disaster comes in what do you do then for those countries they're off the X now yeah off the X meeting not everybody's watching them and then while They're not watching them do they try to find some sort of solution and then everybody's got their tail tucked between their legs but it doesn't matter because nobody's looking frankly what I think is going to happen is z Linsky and Netanyahu are going to get political sanctuary asylum in the United States wow because think about the United States Can't Let zinsky Die

they cannot do it he's the he's the voice of democracy in Europe and everybody knows Putin wants to kill him because that's going to be a fantastic win for Putin Putin's killed at least two other opponents in the last three years right so zalinsky already if he hasn't already signed the deal it's coming his way soon he will get asylum in the United States and he'll be a leader EXC communicado right and and that's who leads the country when he's gone it's going to be a shadow puppet government for for Russia or it's going To

be a puppet government for Nato one way or the other so Ukraine and Israel are begging China to invade Taiwan correct they're like do it tomorrow y so that we could settle our [ __ ] without the X on our back and China is sitting here watching the whole thing going America's running out of money America's already out of ammunition NATO is torn on war in Europe it's time to dance nobody cares about what's happening out here in the South China except one thing Thing the company that is putting the stock market on its back

happens to be a Taiwanese company and we will not let anything happen to Nvidia so what they got to do is get Nvidia the [ __ ] out of Taiwan if China was like I'll take the entire company and I'll just move it to Pal Alto I think that it might work so what's funny is NVIDIA is the AI country is the AI company but it's built on the back of tmsc which is Semiconductor Company and that is that's in Taiwan yep So so tmsc it's the semiconductors in Taiwan that that are the key to

the Future and that's why we're protecting them correct if China if China can find a way to get their hands on a functioning working semiconductor industry then that's going to massively increase their ability to be a technological opponent right a tech alternative to the United States and the first thing they do is cut off supply to the United States or start to heavily Tax it or or or you know put tariffs on it but Taiwan for some reason is just so far ahead of everyone else when it comes to the chip did they do that

on purpose yeah like how did this happen in the United States so we when we were doing these like um experiments with newly industrialized nations right it was Taiwan there's a few other out there in Asia as well and what was that was our foreign policy to show Hey listen if you're cozy with America look how good It can be and because what was our strategy create something that makes the industry of that country dependent on America oh on us so we create not on China cuz that's how we have some influence and control out

there and at the time who who had all the demand for semiconductors we did who was the only country creating high-tech we were and what could we not do in our country create like pollution and oh there it is now we can Outsource all of your yeah Yeah yeah yeah yeah Outsource all of the issues Greta thunberg's going to complain about build up the industry of another country right next to one of your potential adversaries at the time China was an ally oh wait a minute really oh that's right cuz they're making all the [

__ ] that we're buying correct so we didn't even foresee and we do we have military bases in Taiwan right now uh we don't have military bases in Taiwan we have military bases Across the South Pacific um but Taiwanese military bases are uh they're they're shared so like American planes and jets can land on those bases with Taiwanese permission Mak unplanned unannounced kind of thing very impressed with your geopolitical knowledge I don't know [ __ ] man I don't know but this this is the SM gu that's why Alman wants to raise a trillion dollars

to C get the semiconduct production over here 2030 when China is like at the same level as America and now that when it happens not when all of our attention is on China what do you think happens with the race relations here in America because we have so many Chinese Americans and you said Chinese people are China first so like what's going to happen here um it's it's an interesting question Alex thinks every Chinatown is a cell sleep yeah you're right I mean yeah this man's a genius every son Inside what the [ __ ]

how are you right about every a while say for years go on go on go on now he's been dying on this cross so this is going to be Liv on wait tell us tell us tell us you're right so so essentially the the way that the way that diaspora communities uh insulate intelligence collection is that the intelligence collection uh facility I or the intelligence collection agencies plant Themselves in the diaspora so a Chinatown is a diaspora of Chinese immigrants in a foreign country so the intelligence Community just plants its own operatives inside that Community

it's not like the community is there for intelligence purposes it's not even like the community makes sense not even like the community knows that there's intelligence it's just a very convenient entry point that's what we call a beach head it's a very convenient Beach head Be for for an opponent Force to insulate itself from local LA and do we have Beach in other places it's tougher because first of all in the United States we don't have to we don't create diaspora communities instead we create expats who are who who uh acculturate the local community but

they're still Americans and we don't really have to hide because we can just be like hey we're coming in to party and we're going to bring new business and American Dollars and everything else and everybody wants us there yeah much harder for a foreign country to come in to another foreign country and be like like could you imagine if the Chinese were like we're here to party and we're bringing Chinese un with us and we're like convert that into dollars and then yeah look at Tik Tok though yeah I gotta sell this who who controls

I China has a 50-year policy Right two questions does America have a 50-year policy no oh my God so America has been you're saying for the last few hundred years been curating its policy four years or eight years at a time my God I mean that is it's mindboggling that we've even been able very impressive that we got this far but and then what does that speak to does that speak to the the power of capitalism or democracy like it is unbelievable that we've been able to compete at the Highest level with a new dude

in charge every four years you have to think back to the intentions of the founding fathers what the founding fathers put in place was brilliant it was the reason that they're called government servants is because you're supposed to to sacrifice four years of your life to go be a government because you were in industry or entertainment or business or something else especially true in Congress I mean and that's what it was Up until like the 1950s and then they became these career politicians but you're right it was like it it was some a local person

from the community was going to stop his job for two years I think that's why the what is it the House of Representatives is only a two-year term right it's because dude I can't step away from my farm for six years and do this yeah and now that idea is completely gone to the Wayside now we have congressmen in place for 13 years 18 years 24 years and who sets the term limits for congress Congress so it's not even in like that's one of the places where there's a lack of checks and balance there's no

check and balance there whatsoever they give themselves a raise yep it's insane this legislative branch is the least uh the least checked branch of all of them and the idea is that the check is built within it that not any one of them have this you know huge amount of Power of course I get that a two- party system yes but when they're acting as a collective and they're all incentivized by the same thing there's no check on that so maybe that was the one thing that they missed because I'm sure at the time when

the founding fathers were creating they're like who the [ __ ] would want to be in government even George Washington was like dude just owning slaves is way better you know he's like [ __ ] all this Freedom [ __ ] he said no I Need some be teeth yeah so it's like yeah oh wow that's so interesting they couldn't fathom that people in a free world would want to govern so they didn't even put the check into it because it was always supposed to be a position for the most experienced most elit people with

the most to lose because again that's a [ __ ] great Point too if you had nothing if you were not a land owner you couldn't even run for office which which sounds incredibly Unfair but understand it was supposed to be representative so the people that were most affected by these laws were the people that did own land right so in our own this is why I call us like this is why I say that we're as a country we're in Middle School scho it sucks it's a childish problem to have you don't even realize

it but yeah H H but we're not the youngest in terms of democracy no so there are other countries that are way older in terms of Their culture but their democracies are much younger and do they have the same problems they do in large part because their democracies are moded off of ours yeah so Taiwan is one because we were first we didn't see this problem coming right Taiwan is a fantastic example January Taiwan had elections the president that was elected was part of the opposition party the separatist party from China and the whole world

separate the whole world like Rejoice Like oh the new Taiwanese president is an opposition to China the Congress of Taiwan is in favor of reunifying with China wait a minute the dominant the dominant party in the Congress is pro-china the president is anti-china hold on hold on hold on is China influencing these elections so there is a way where China can get Taiwan without even having to invade that's China's way of doing it look at What they did in Hong Kong in 2019 now I would say that was a little more forceful the the force

happened at the end but you're saying the leadup was there was like in was it ingratiation is that the China China has uh some some of the best legal capabilities in the world that's why so many American law school graduates are actually Chinese citizens cuz people come to law school here Chinese people come here for law school and they go practice law all over the World understanding Lear international law or American La American law Democratic law and then they apply that so in Hong Kong what happened is over the course of maybe five years China

uh systematically changed the legislative values of Hong Kong using very legal methods it's really smart until the time came when they pulled the dial and they were like hey Hong Kong now all of your citizens are held to Chinese standards Chinese laws and then the people were Like that's not legal and then China was like actually yes it is this [ __ ] so this is really just beating us at our own game man it's it's just really smart it's like how you avoid Hot War it's wow that's no they don't have the military to

win a hot War so well I think they could win a hot war against Hong Kong but maybe not super scale right so the same thing is happening in Taiwan and we may be paying attention to it now it's been happening for the better part of a Decade and if you just look at if you just look at uh Chinese influence on Taiwanese elections if you just Google that and then put the word October in there you'll see that the world woke up to it in October of 2023 for an election that happened in January

of 20124 that's hilarious that that doesn't mean that the Chinese the Chinese were building that pipeline for decades and it worked and then now that the Congress of Taiwan is controlled by a pro-china team it really doesn't matter what the head the Figure Head says Chinese are exercising more in the international waters the Chinese are have they've in the most recent National Congress that just happened like four days ago they stopped talking about a peaceful reun peaceful reunification with Taiwan what did they say they said uh we must take a forceful or rigid they Ed

a very different word was like it was Something along those lines approach to our reunification with Taiwan I mean what an amazing advantage that they would have on us if we don't have time to build up a semiconductor business and they absorb Taiwan peacefully what if they don't even have to be rigid or for that's their goal man their goal is they don't want to invade they just they want to peace they want to I mean we're using the word peaceful in American terms just as little Bloodshed as possible Cold War Type [ __ ]

yeah I mean the if you're manipulate the people into thinking it's what they want that's the next level to the game is you trick the people into asking for it and then you oblige them China goes all right if you really want it if the Congress really wants it and you guys all want it fine and and get your cup of coffee wait what does that me what does that mean the coffee thing how you coffee yeah yeah yeah yeah wow someone's paying Attention that was good wow that's great yeah so that is the game

that is the idea that's the game the game and and that is Sun Art of War if you just if you just look at [ __ ] yeah it's been published since the 11th it's not even you yeah this is thousands of years old or whatever this this um this the XII ping guy how first of all there's no way the CIA lets you leave you're out of your [ __ ] mind no cuz you're really good At this I appreciate you man you're really good at this you're great at communicating you're really patient um

I mean if we ask you are you allowed to say like are you a part of the CIA now I am not a part of CIA yeah the the straight up truth I am a former overt my cover has been rolled back I am not a member of CIA do you have clearance still nope my clearance expired after two years just like they're supposed to do right I've had a private contractor Reup my clearance so I have a I have a security clearance now under a private contractor but not a federal for security clearance and

I I run a business that I'm planning on scaling into the tens of millions like that's what I'm doing right now I'm telling you without a doubt smart I mean if the CIA calls me tomorrow and says we need your help you'll do it without a doubt now if they ask me to help introduce them to anybody that I'm on a podcast with I'd Say yes but the CIA is the DMV they don't think that way they don't work that way they don't take risks yeah the risk of me actually working for them and then

that becoming publicly known is too great for them so that's on them man I'm doing what I can do I guess what I meant by when I said you still work for the C is not that you get a check the same way that like Mark Zuckerberg or whatever like I think you reach a certain point as a business owner in America where Like your business becomes um what is a gas or electric what are those called uh utilities yeah yeah where you're it's almost like a utility right and then once you're a utility if

the government calls you for something you know you kind of do it right you help them and I wonder if people that are in your position because I imagine you're kind of unique I don't know if every CIA operative is like you would you say that you have a set of skills that also Allows you to succeed as in like let's call this entertainment so or infotainment whatever you want to call it um I've I've certainly developed this because you it takes a lot of punches before you learn how to do this dance gotcha right

and it just so happened that I was I had no other options except to take some punches for a while got it and that's how I kind of found my voice in this space got it okay because and I I do want you to talk about your Business because I think it's an put it this way maybe you should maybe you should tell people what the business does because I think it's after listening to you incredibly effective yeah thanks man but I don't think CIA is letting you go I don't think they're paying you but

I think that you could be incredibly useful to them I I I honestly hope so and that's the same thing every former CIA Officer says is we hope that one day CIA will wake up and realize that we can do a great deal to bring the community back in support of the National Security infrastructure because when there's nothing that Bridges the community with the national support and National Security infrastructure conspiracy theory Reigns and distrust Reigns because we fear what we don't understand yeah I'm not sharing any national security Secrets here I'm just telling people like

Hey we're the DMV at CIA is Staffed with a lot of hardworking dedicated people who are young who are trying to make a career and abandoning that career because of an Old Guard and old way of doing we're running like the DMV and China is running like apple there we go like apple sees they're always ahead of the game it's and it's not necessarily because of innovation at China like it was at Apple it's just because it's it's either planning play or get the [ __ ] out of the Way that's how they work right

okay so my company everyday spy our mission is spy education to break barriers so I teach people real world spy education facts about CIA facts about spy systems spy Frameworks spy ways of thinking spy way spy way of keeping yourself safe if it if it has any grounding in real world Espionage or real world spy tactics my mission is to teach that to the everyday person so they can use it to keep their family safe their business Safe and their body safe MH that's what we do but specifically in business incredibly effective it's incredibly effective

and in not just small business but also in corporate business that's where I saw it I and that's kind of how I assume you were going to scale it I mean on the mop and po Mom and Pop shop it's awesome but like sitting down with these CEOs and learning how to effectively communicate with the people that you might be going up against how To pull them in as assets how to exract information for them I mean yeah and that's what I I love what you guys are getting at and there is value there but

what I found where the value really demonstrates itself is because it's hard just like spaghetti on the wall you know post-modernist art funding in Europe during the Cold War it's hard to it's hard to measure that yeah companies have a hard time measuring the real value of communication skills or negotiation Skills yeah so instead what we often find is that our clients call us in for very specific discreet challenges we had the C we had a CFO of one of our clients um get deep faked on LinkedIn and they didn't know who to turn to

but there's this deep fake video on LinkedIn of a CFO and they're like what the [ __ ] are we going to do like because this this is all lies that's been created so they call our company in we use our network of contacts and we're Say hey guys we've got to we've got to follow the money to find out where this deep fake came from who's behind it who's funding it and how do we shut it down Sick I see okay so you're also problem solving like a crisis management thing that's where it all

starts because really when it comes to adding value to people just like that cup of coffee you have to add immediate value you can't add the promise of future value you have to add immediate value so when people Are in their most the the position where they're in the most and they come to you and they say can you do this it's very helpful to have a set of skills where you can do things nobody at what point do you tell them you created the defect video so that that's actually [ __ ] genius giving

away uh CIA training that's not going against like whistle blowing or giving away CIA tricks so uh the thing that CIA protects is called their sources and their methods and what They mean by sources and methods are sources of active current intelligence collection and methods by which those sources are being collected against so when you teach a framework like understanding human psychology of reciprocity that's not a CIA secret it's not specific to them they're taking it from some book that uh oh the [ __ ] is that guy no well Voss is a CIA guy

but there's book called influence by chalini I think his name keini how do you Pronounce it but yeah so I imagine some of the tactics are coming from that right so so some of these things exist in The Ether and these experts have have written about it for years and the CIA have probably distilled it down to the most effective like the sharpest tack because they need to teach people fast yeah and they need to teach people to use these skills in the real world Under Pressure I mean to me I'm like I'm looking at

you let's say I have a a Business right I mean we have a business here but let's say I have a business with 100 employees and you need the management of those employees and the management with all those assets if you will how do you instill loyalty in them how do you get people to uh I guess commit to the ideology of this brand that you're all working for like it seems to me like it'd be incredibly effective to go to either military or to CIA training To to to get the best out of your

employees and also make them feel like they're most committed to this this belief system or this business like that's a no-brainer right the place where the I as much as I joke about CIA being as efficient as the DMV which is not very efficient that is true but what they have become very very Adept at is creating a hyper loyal structure that keeps secrets and really as a business that's what a Business owner wants is a hyper loyal group that keeps secrets we call that institutionalization and there's a model for institutionalization it's a model that

was developed by a psychologist honed over Decades of being applied at CIA that now because I left CIA and learned these tools at CIA I can now take what I learned at CIA the distilled version of what this psychologist put in academic terms and I can speak about it in layman's terms also like hiring just Imagine the value in HR yeah I I could see you guys having a lot of value outside of just like singular tasks and singular problems that need to be solved but really about building the infrastructure for the business hiring specifically

like if you know that you need somebody like let's say you're hiring a manager or like an agent and that agent is going to have to operate in some murky territory where that guilt complex is going to be an issue not Speaking about Dove at all but like like for example for me like I couldn't do it some of these agents do sometimes these agents try to poach me for my agents right and like it just feels kind of icky but they don't have that feeling of ickiness how can you screen for that you could

probably develop something very easily that would help you scream for that and then that would distill the hiring process and make it so much more efficient automate the whole thing I Mean we we boil it all down to personalities you could have them take a test you don't even have to meet them until they pass all the requirements and you're saving weeks of time you you can have them take a a b a short battery that gives you their personality you can have an assessment for what type of personality you need for the position and

then you can also automate a step where they have to demonstrate that they're good for the position by Carrying out a specific task that's even a profit generating task or a revenue generating task they're making money before they're hired and then and that's before they're even hired right yeah and then you can even pay them for accomplishing the task of course and you can pay them a portion of the profit that they just earned right so now you're indoctrinating them right at the very beginning that if you're going to work for us you must generate

revenue And you will be rewarded based on a profit share of the revenue that you earned have you thought about trying to restructure the CIA like how it would look for you one of my I have a I have five year goals and 10 year goals and one of my 10year goals for our company is to have a formal contract with at least five members of the intelligence Community where we are bringing best practices of corporate America into the maybe we should make that a seven-year Goal 2030 goal just thr it out there it'd be

nice it be ni but so essentially and and what would what problem would that essentially solve so the big problem the the the lifetime problem the personal mission problem that I have is I want to keep America as the dominant democracy in the world we need to remain as the world's superpower if my kids are going to have kids with American passports and American citizenship I need to do Everything in my power to make sure that the United States remains dominant which means I need to make sure my business makes as much money as possible

to feed GDP and I need to make sure every client I service makes as much money as possible to feed GDP so we can keep this machine going especially if we're going through middle school and presidents are going to be [ __ ] offs and Congress people are going to be dickwads we have to keep funding this train until the Voting public can mature past that y h so that's my goal money money is not what I want money is the tool that gets me what I want what you need but with the CIA and

reforming it have you have do you have an idea of how the CIA could look I think it could look like a a very beautiful thing but that's intelligence reform and that's the legislative branch and the executive branch working in concert and that's them opening up to outside Uh civilian um Consultants that it's a huge culture change for them if they're going to go down that road how but you do have an idea of it oh yeah exactly to just from sitting with you for a couple hours I think you you have it exactly I

appreciate I mean thank you for the vote of high confidence I would give myself about 60% Vision because you've got to leave space in there for the realities of how things and how people work How Likely is it any of this happens in your brain in for things the things you think need to happen I mean I think that in my lifetime before I die in my hopeful late 80s I mean there's there's a 20% chance that we see significant intelligence reform without a disaster because remember we had a disaster 911 was what brought intelligence

reform the first time so you're saying we need another one unfortunately we are a country that Has a very short memory we're reactive and until a enemy presents itself loud and clear we don't unify and knows that which is why they don't present themselves as a clear and present danger yeah cuz they don't want our Unity they'll wait till the last possible moment they've read the play part of War that's our model yeah don't win don't engage in war until you know you can win wow so be besties continue making all our [ __ ]

yeah wow because we already know that when you invade Taiwan it's only going to take about 12 weeks for everybody to forget anyways that is true we have a short memory wow so they know they could invade Taiwan we probably wouldn't do anything it's like are we really going to let American soldiers die for Taiwan it'd be really hard to get American support for that what's the public first response on that for like are the ships That are in that area supposed to make a first day response if there was an invasion so and that's

the big question right there is what is the the military Doctrine for engaging China day one day one because that's that's the thing if you if you have a destroyer off the coast of southern China that launches cruise missiles onto mainland China we're War baby and that Destroyer is going to be sunk because it's right at the gates of China right so what does That Destroyer do does it just park itself in the Taiwan straight or you park yourself in the Taiwan port and now any attack on Taiwan is an attack on American soldiers as

long as if you can prevent from attacking that port so they'll attack every port but so now you need a ship at every [ __ ] Port oh yeah impossible because China knows that you don't piss off Americans unless you kill Americans and if you do we just go crazy yep so they will find every way Possible to engage Taiwan without killing an American Soldier and that's that's that's the way that's the way to keep America fat and lazy is just don't don't hurt our people and we have a shocking level of forgiveness after that

H that is so [ __ ] true oh my God okay any any other questions before we get out I had all these but I didn't I I just been writing on the back of this [ __ ] paper I'm I'm not sure what you can Share but I'm curious can you tell us any stories about extreme like near-death experiences on any operations you were on or anything that maybe you were almost exposed because obviously this is high risk yeah yeah so so um with the one operation that I'm very proud of the that operation

ended with my near capture oh [ __ ] and I'm trying to get all of those details cleared so I can publish them all so that's that's my personal example wife involved as well No my wife was geographically separate at the time so she was fine exactly but uh but that's the story I'm trying to get clearance to tell uh and hopefully that clearance will come soon um but that's just me and the thing is my story was just about capture there are other CIA officers who were already captured who were already imprisoned who were

already interrogated who were used for political propaganda I mean the stories the the heroes of CIA I swear to you the Heroes of CIA are still at CIA because they have chosen to sacrifice everything else to stay there I mean I feel like I am proud to have been from there but I chose to leave right it's a if they are a different kind of hero for choosing to stay give it up for those guys bro yeah fact have a question I have a question yes go um what like sort of movie or book or

piece of content do you think sort of like best represents either your Experience of the CIA or the CIA it could be fiction or non-fiction but like so yeah it it is a very good question so in the in the book world there's a a very dry read called inside the CIA and it's one of those dry reads that is mandatory for every new candidate m so if you want to know what it's actually like inside the CIA read the book inside the CIA was published in like the 9s I want to say um so

it was pre 911 CIA but it's still Fairly accurate for how it's been reformatted since then right um so that's bookwise filmwise I would actually recommend the first season of The Americans if you watch season one of the Americans you will see some of the most authentic trade crafts uh covert Communications uh some of the real world stressors that they have trying to trying to remain uh clandestinely engaged in operations while also operating in a cover life you and your Wife watch that together or you like no this is too close to home it's too

close to home it's like being a surgeon and watching that like gry's Anatomy or something right wow so like you watch it and you're like this is not entertaining because we were there or it's too fabricated to be real and that also loses our entertainment value so my wife is a much bigger consumer of spy fiction than I am uh but periodically I'll watch something where I'm like oh that was That was pretty solid right greyman why season one grey man's so good grey man's also pretty good I actually knew the creative consultant from CIA

for greyman and that's one of the reasons it was so good and the person who is the most accurate in all of greyman still comically created is the private Intel contractor that character in greyman is is the most accurate of all the characters in greyman but your to answer your question yeah you said uh just Season one of the Americans why after that it became commercialized after that they got got more money and more popularity so they had to ramp up the excitement and Adventure got season one is still very like clandestine and sophisticated yeah

and grounded you said in an interview that you were talking about General uh Petraeus and you said that um you're very complimentary of him and you're talking about your guys relationship and Things that he shared with you and it was really beautiful but you said what this sentence that caught my attention you go uh you don't get to be that powerful without making mistakes and then you kind of just moved on what does that mean so I don't want to characterize my relationship with General Petraeus as being like a close personal relationship I I was

a I was one of the few CIA officers that could keep up with his Fitness regiment when He was a CI when he was the director at CIA so when he needed a workout buddy and I was within a helicopter ride I worked out with him right so he didn't have to work out alone when we would work out just like when you guys work out you talk about [ __ ] and the thing that I was always the most interested in talking to him about was family because I mean everybody knew he was a

great General and you know he was a hardcore uh director at CIA but he Had I think he had two daughters three children overall and then of course everything happened after his mistress was outed so I used to always ask him like as these are the years in my time at CI leading up to my child's birth and I'm like how did you choose to like lead the Afghan Forces versus be home with your newborn daughter uh and he was always very honest about the fact that that when he looks back he regrets the sacrifices

that he made for his Children because of a fight in Afghanistan that ultimately policy makers abandoned so now he's lost two legacies yeah cuz he doesn't have the relationship with his children and he doesn't have the legacy of Afghanistan right but that that's what a soldier does and that's how you you know serve and whatever else um but I took that like it hit me heavy man because I'm like you know what when you work for the federal government at the behest of the Executive the executive changes every four years if you're if if you're

lucky it doesn't happen earlier than that so are you willing to to dedicate a life and potentially lose everything you worked for because of a change in American leadership so it was so that's what I meant by that quote like to become as powerful as he did he had to he had to say yes to every operation presented to him no matter how impossible the odds were or no matter How much sacrifice was required of him as family oh I interpret that completely differently I interpret it as they knew he was having an affair and

that's why he was put in a position of power cuz he could be controlled no it was it was at the end of his career as a 60-year-old man looking back he made these massive mistakes he prioritized his career over everything and that will be a mistake as you reflect he already is as he reflects it is a mistake right cuz you know what You can't do you can't win back your 18-year-old child that you didn't love when they were 10 you can't win them back how often is it that uh you see this in

the movies there's like some young hacker kid or some linguist or something the CIA reaches out to them and gets them is this a fiction or is this actually happen so it's a mix it does actually happen super talented people are plucked up by the agency all the time there are also super talented Criminals that are arrested by FBI and plucked up by CIA is right because that's one of the ways CIA can always stay on The Cutting Edge of prisoners run the Asylum of Nefarious activity right has learned from the best and did you

feel like they did that with you that they recruited you were they aware of you I I think that for me I fell into an automated process right you're in the Air Force I'm in the Air Force high Clearance high clearance I have been in the Air Force since I was 18 years old all ever known is military structure and I came from a military household before that they knew my grades they knew my health status they knew how many push-ups I did for the for the physical fitness exam they knew everything about me my

languages so when I applied for the Peace Corps a federal government organization I just fell I triggered some algorithm somewhere where they were Like oh this person is someone we should talk because if you think about it what does somebody at the Peace Corps want Adventure travel high risk tolerance they have no problem with discomfort they want to change the world well what does a CI officer want all the same [ __ ] right and you must have checked the other boxes as well they already had character screening on you phys Fitness all that [

__ ] now here's here's a question did you have they have all this Information on you the interview process is it even necessary it is it is because but you get what I'm getting about right like you got to keep in mind that information is always past tense ah so you could have changed so it's making sure that you're meeting up with the information that they have about you right so they're not going you're going to wow us they're going we're wowed let's see if you live up to it correct Also sexual deviancy all those

questions that you have to answer I assume is different than what we've seen yeah this is like I'm going to ask you about your past how are you going to answer this what are you going to tell me it's like a much more intimate thing that is what I can learn you got a polygraph that you have to go through right like they they have a lot of control as they ramp up the experience or the uh the onboarding experience would you have weapons Training you get weapons I had weapons training from the military of

and then you get more when you're at CIA there's different types do you ever kill somebody uh I cannot answer that question in great detail I can say that I've never intimately killed anybody intimately killed anybody what does that mean that means when you kill somebody in personal range uh but maybe intelligence that you've given ended up getting some yeah or you've used some Other kind of kinetic strike that's not person to person like a drone strike would would fall into that category of non- intimate mhm are there things that you I know that you

don't necessarily uh feel the guilt no you feel it but it doesn't inhibit your actions are there things that you regret is there PTSD that you feel from you know you hear all this stuff about people who have been in these environments that youve been in and it's Pretty awful yeah so I I am confident I do not have PTSD because I've worked with plenty of people who have PTSD I've been through some traumatic events but a big part of the reason I started a business it I to learn about business I started by writing

a Blog and all my blog was was my feelings my stories my thoughts and how I'm trying to make something productive out of all these destructive skills so it was in that process of kind of like a self therapy The blog turned into a podast the podcast turned into a product offering the product offering turned into kind of mastering the content right and that was all 2018 when it started right so fast forward to now in 2024 and it's much more evolved and it's much more developed and I have a much a cleaner understanding of

my own thought process but that was essentially six years of therapy that I was able to put myself through and do exactly what I Wanted to do create something productive out of the destructive past that I had before that did you use any of the skills you learned on raising your own children all the time all the time and my children know it and they uh they don't know any alternative to it so like our our family uses code words so I don't know well you don't your kids are too young do you have kids

yet you're married no so one of the biggest challenges the parents have is teaching Their kids when to open like a hotel room door when the parents go downstairs to go get ice or something uh or when when it's safe to open the door to a stranger especially cuz strangers can say their police officers or say their Amazon delivery people yeah so our kids we teach them code words so if a Stranger Comes to the door and that stranger is sent by us they will know a specific code word so our children know to ask

a question at the door they don't Ask what's the code word they ask a very specific question oh wow and they wait until they hear the response back and if they don't get the code word back they don't the door did you give them field tests yeah I figured but you need that now for AI everyone's going to need code words because you can just AI anyone's voice and yeah that's true asking for do you have any other CIA parenting tips yes so another one is uh everybody wants control so one of the things that

you Learn about psychology is that we're all vying for control and uh feeling control isn't the same thing as actually having control to your point about that gut feeling right so often times what we need to feel like we have control is we just need to feel like we have a say in the outcome H so with my children first they started brushing their teeth right so I would always and they never want to brush their teeth every parent knows children never want to brush their teeth So we would say do you want to brush

your teeth now or in two minutes and just having that say in the outcome completely changes their willingness to do it so we do have this like innate autonomy we want to be the the conductors is that human or American it's human human beings want to believe that we have power over our future yeah what we don't do a very good job of is defining what future we're talking about so with my kids now or in 2 minutes They're like oh I have two more minutes if I say 2 minutes and then I can go

brush my teeth or if you're my daughter I can say two minutes and then in two minutes negotiate again yeah but either way like they feel like they have some sort of power and often times that's what an employee wants how many employees I mean I'll never forget uh I went on a hiring surge this year I had somebody who uh who I made an offer to and I think it was $80,000 I made an Offer to them to come on as a junior level person in my company and they hemmed and haot about it

for a couple of days and they asked to meet with me and my president so they could come up with a counter offer and they came back and after a lot of like I've got kids and I've got this and I've got Ambitions and I've got whatever they came back with a counter offer of $85,000 and I was like like your counter offer is $5,000 yeah like that's not a Counter offer that's sure that's an easy yes for me if you think like $5,000 spread over 12 months of work over 280 hours of your talent

like that's easy but to that person they felt like they were taking control over their future so was like you know I appreciate your counter offer I think it's very reasonable let's do it but was your initial offer lower knowing that they would counter offer always that's that's a basic negotiation is that person still At your company cuz he's probably watching us right now like [ __ ] like [ __ ] should have came in a 90 one of the wisest things I heard my friend got a job offer and then he go I go

he goes I rejected it I go what was it he goes I don't know I just reject the first offer he didn't even look at it he just rejected it cuz he knows they're going to lobal there's a there's a a negotiation tactic called Always starting with no Right it's something you'll hear some Advanced negotiators talk about start with no because once once a salesperson or that other person making the offer hears no then they at least know where the starting place is right start with no I think is a book actually um but no

is the place that you want to go for first is somebody listening to this podcast and that's their job at the CIA not because you're on it M but like when we do it regularly like do we have A guy no you probably don't have a guy here's what most likely happens most likely happens is there's a algorithm yeah there's an AI and any YouTuber with probably over a million followers falls into that algorithm's watch list and then that algorithm is looking for keywords like what like terrorism yeah terrorism terrorist attack yeah you know I

mean let's just list them out so that you make sure that you get this say that' be good because then maybe if we Say enough a guy has to listen to it you know there's like a mandatory like person and then we get him like a great day like what an awesome day so I'm a Chinese sympathizer probably Chinese sympathizer they've heard that a couple times they're listening so we we we'll hit all those words right now I mean just the idea to me sounds so funny that there's a dude who like he has to

listen to podcasts like surely Rogan has one right there's Somebody has to listen to every ro oh yeah well the the the reason that it's so valuable is because the guests that you guys have on the podcast are insight into your network because they're connected to you right they insights into the network that they carry with them because once they've been with you you can basically follow the trail to see what their network is next yeah uh and then you can see whether or not what they're talking about could be twisted Into propaganda for a

foreign country you said after 911 all the government agencies share information now aliens UFOs real or not so uh there's a fantastic article that was written I think by the Wall Street Journal um the head of Arrow which is the dod's UFO research Wing was a true scientist and engineer just came out to basically say there is no truth no grounds no nothing that UFOs are real my stance on this is that UFOs are real but They're not aliens H 98% of what happens in the sky yeah will be able to rationalize and describe without

a problem the 2% of what happens in the sky that we don't know should scare us a whole hell of a lot more than it does because if it's not aliens it's it's us and it's some [ __ ] about us that we don't even know and that's scary and why is that scary because that could be a next Fleet of drones developed by the that could be a Hypersonic cruise by China that could be some weird sort of joint new thing that's being developed by Syria and Iran and North Korea and like it's being

tested over Montana like that is some scary [ __ ] when you take aliens out of it we want to find comfort in Aliens because maybe they're here for good reasons once you say it's a [ __ ] bad guy there's no good reasons for it to be there you mentioned something with uh UFOs and earthquakes like what was that You so somehow they're correlated yeah yeah yeah there's something called Earth lights which happen when certain gases are released from an earthquake and then they light they they they have translucent appearances in the sky so

a lot of times people will see lights in the sky they can't Define uh ball lightning is one of those very rare phenomenon another is these Earth lights so when there's an earthquake that releases gas it can create these Earth Lights and that's why a lot of times you see in the west people spot UFOs the most out west where there's the most fall fault lines and there's the most earthquake activity I still believe there's aliens and Aliens yeah I mean I mean there's some weird ass people out there anyways so China don't talk about

daddy like thato uh anything else for Andrew before he gets out of here no this is aw um oh here's a question I have some Self-interest in India is that a threat to China is that an emerging superpower because we get told that a lot so I was actually wondering about this how how close are you with your Indian ethnicity your Indian family or culture I don't know enough I have a ton of family in India I try to go back every year here I love India I have been talking to my wife about maybe

splitting time there when we have kids half the year in India half the year somewhere else so Shameless plug I want to go to India with you next time you go or one of the times you go let's go done I yes because I'm getting secrets from you for this though I need you to know that's a good trait that's a good trait here's the truth about India uh India has two of the best intelligence services in the world one of them is the research and Analysis Wing which is their foreign collection Wing the other

is their internal ring wing the problem is that Nobody knows about India's intelligence capabilities because 80% of their effort goes into Pakistan Pakistan also has a super powerful foreign intelligence collection Wing called isi so ra aw and India and isi and Pakistan are spending almost all of their resources and time on each other on each other W uh India is I was just talking about it earlier today I think they are so powerfully pragmatic that they have found a way to Be America's Ally and China's Ally and Russ all yeah while they're increasing their GDP

increasing their consumption and increasing their population all three things that make for a very Stellar future right so India is doing right now India is doing everything right nobody really talks about them except the when the US press talks about them they talk about them in a negative way like we can't rely on India they can't they don't back us anymore and It's like no India is backing India yeah which is exactly how a country is supposed to operate right and as they become the manufacturing Hub of the world then that's going to make everybody

that much more dependent on on but they they will also run into a challenge when they choose to modernize but they can put off that question for 20 or 30 years easy I mean America would be incentivized to really Co up to India given proximity to China if nothing else Right I mean I think all of them would be like if China eventually isn't going to be manufacturing everything in the world and that passes over to India India wants to be best friends with China hit their best friends with Russia and the United States then

perfect yeah let it rip yeah and not only that but then that makes it so that Russia Russia China and the United States Russia's not really a player economically like the Chinese and United States are but now China and the United States both are incentivized to push production to India and try to lobby for tariffs against the other country so India is in a position to have basically people say we want you to have this business and we'll pay you even more if you'll increase your tariffs on them which they're going to say yes to

both but they'll change the Tariff so steel tariff against the United States plastic tariff against China wow based on who pays more for What I i' okay one more now we have you you this is a military industrial question that we were talking about a little bit before but if we need the military-industrial complex if we need War to get out of recessions economically we need War part of that industrial complex is human capital do you believe that the United States keeps people in some state of desperation in order to feed that war machine uh

no I don't think so I do Think that there is the part of the reason that economic disparity persists and that we don't attack that economic P disparity right and I'm talking about like average income in Alabama versus average income in New York that's a huge economic disparity well guess where most of your military recruits come from right Alabama Texas Arkansas so part of the reason that we don't prioritize fixing economic disparity is because it's a convenience for things like Recruiting militarily um we also have the benefit of knowing that it it really only takes

one genius to make a billion dollars worth in Tech GDP or Tech productivity but it takes a lot of high school graduates to make $100,000 so there's a benefit uh efficiency wise for us to find and cultivate the most talented people in our country because they will have exponentially higher impact at the end of the day economically than the lower Talented people so we don't we could prior instead of focusing on health care and you know whether your name tag says they or them we could focus on closing the economic divide but that economic divide

is way too convenient for the way our structured system works so I don't think they they make it happen but they do let it happen to Aid in a bit in a way yeah okay last one we mentioned it earlier MK Ultra and Stargate these programs have Existed did do you know if they used them to take out uh rfk's dad so I know nothing about rfk's Dad okay but here's what I will say RFK Junior's dad so RFK yeah RFK so what I what I will say is I I have had firsthand experience with

remote viewing with what they claimed about project Stargate and in every experience that I've had with remote viewing the uh the end result cannot be separated from uh Margins of error leading up to the original start of the remote viewing so for those of you who don't know what remote viewing is remote viewing is like we're all going to think about nothing and then I'm going to say a word word and you start to tell me what you associate with that word and I'm going to hope that the word that you that the word that

I'm going to Prime you with is going to associate with some piece of intelligence I'm trying to collect from Somewhere else so obviously it's something that you do with trained remote viewers not something to do with the average person so then when they're all sitting there thinking about nothing and I say orange they start talking about rofes and and chains and there's a person and there's three horses around that person and I see something in the mountains and I try to align that with intelligence that says oh this is happening in the Himalayas right that's

How remote viewing is supposed to work that's what project Stargate was everything that I've seen with remote viewing you can't associate the outcome with the input which means it's not reliable and to my knowledge there has never been a piece of actionable intelligence that came from remote viewing so there might be information that was useful or there might not be information that was useful but for sure there was nothing that led to a clear System atic confirmation that this tool Works what about MK Ultra MK Ultra was when you they started using psychedelic drugs to

try to unlock different parts of the brain yeah again to control people right to to control people and to unlock hidden cognitive abilities right right so in my knowledge to my knowledge neither neither outcome was ever demonstrative for the input that they put in so they did MK Ultras no secret it it happened it was done to people who Were both unwi willing and unwilling uh remote viewing always happened to people who were willing but these are two pre- 911 CIA activities that were largely driven because our opponents in the Cold War were doing the

same thing and this is one major disadvantage we all have to accept As Americans is that because we have personal freedoms and individual rights any authoritarian country will always develop a weapon faster than we will because they have fewer barriers And fewer hurdles to develop that weapon so they can just take someone off the street and torture them to see if that torture technique Works they can just take somebody off the street pump them full of drugs to see if they can read mins where we have to have five forms and all sorts of approval

and like a legal chop off from an attorney it's always we are always going to be slower that's part of the power that our forefathers put into our democracy when We were talking about why it is that we are so far ahead of everybody else part of it's because we have to slow down sometimes slow is fast Andrew thank you so much appreciate you that was awesome where can they find you what can they watch give us all the details absolutely if anybody wants to learn more about me or my company you can go to

everydays spy.com I've also got a link down in the description of this video below for people to follow Yes if you want to follow me on uh any social media I'm everyday spy and I have my own podcast it's on YouTube Spotify and everywhere else you look for podcast called the everyday spy podcast awesome dude thank you very much that was awesome awesome thank you best of luck with everything appreciate you guys stay alive peace