Delta plane crashes while landing in Toronto

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>> HI THERE EVERYONE. >> HI THERE EVERYONE. >> IT'S NOW.

>> IT'S NOW. >> 4:00 IN NEW YORK. WE BEGIN >> 4:00 IN NEW YORK.

WE BEGIN WITH THE BREAKING NEWS THAT A WITH THE BREAKING NEWS THAT A TORONTO WHERE A DELTA AIRLINES TORONTO WHERE A DELTA AIRLINES FLIGHT ARRIVING FROM MINNEAPOLIS FLIGHT ARRIVING FROM MINNEAPOLIS HAS CRASHED ON LANDING. THAT'S HAS CRASHED ON LANDING. THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE FAA.

YOU'RE ACCORDING TO THE FAA. YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIVE IMAGES FROM LOOKING AT LIVE IMAGES FROM TORONTO'S PEARSON AIRPORT. THE TORONTO'S PEARSON AIRPORT.

THE JET APPEARS TO HAVE FLIPPED JET APPEARS TO HAVE FLIPPED UPSIDE DOWN. IT IS A DEVELOPING UPSIDE DOWN. IT IS A DEVELOPING SITUATION, AND A LOT IS UNKNOWN SITUATION, AND A LOT IS UNKNOWN AT THIS HOUR.

BUT HERE'S WHAT WE AT THIS HOUR. BUT HERE'S WHAT WE DO KNOW. THE INCIDENT HAPPENED DO KNOW.

THE INCIDENT HAPPENED AROUND 2:45 P. M. EASTERN.

80 AROUND 2:45 P. M. EASTERN.

80 PEOPLE WERE ON BOARD THE PEOPLE WERE ON BOARD THE AIRCRAFT. PEARSON AIRPORT HAS AIRCRAFT. PEARSON AIRPORT HAS SAID IN A POST ON X THAT ALL SAID IN A POST ON X THAT ALL PASSENGERS AND ALL CREW HAVE PASSENGERS AND ALL CREW HAVE BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR, AND BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR, AND EMERGENCY CREWS ARE RESPONDING.

EMERGENCY CREWS ARE RESPONDING. A LOCAL OFFICIAL TELLS MSNBC A LOCAL OFFICIAL TELLS MSNBC THAT NINE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THAT NINE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INJURED. ONE IS IN CRITICAL INJURED.

ONE IS IN CRITICAL CONDITION AND HAS BEEN AIRLIFTED CONDITION AND HAS BEEN AIRLIFTED TO A NEARBY TRAUMA CENTER. A TO A NEARBY TRAUMA CENTER. A CHILD WAS ALSO INJURED AND TAKEN CHILD WAS ALSO INJURED AND TAKEN BY AMBULANCE TO A LOCAL BY AMBULANCE TO A LOCAL HOSPITAL.

THIS VIDEO SHOWS HOSPITAL. THIS VIDEO SHOWS PASSENGERS EVACUATING FROM THE PASSENGERS EVACUATING FROM THE JET. THE FLIGHT IS OPERATED BY A JET.

THE FLIGHT IS OPERATED BY A REGIONAL SUBSIDIARY OF DELTA REGIONAL SUBSIDIARY OF DELTA AIRLINES CALLED ENDEAVOR AIRLINES CALLED ENDEAVOR AIRLINES. THE TRANSPORTATION AIRLINES. THE TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD OF CANADA IS SAFETY BOARD OF CANADA IS CURRENTLY IN CHARGE OF THIS CURRENTLY IN CHARGE OF THIS INVESTIGATION.

LET'S BRING IN MY INVESTIGATION. LET'S BRING IN MY COLLEAGUE, MSNBC HOST ALI COLLEAGUE, MSNBC HOST ALI VELSHI, WHO ALSO HAPPENS TO BE A VELSHI, WHO ALSO HAPPENS TO BE A PILOT. HE'S BEEN TRACKING THIS PILOT.

HE'S BEEN TRACKING THIS STORY FOR US. ALSO JOINING US, STORY FOR US. ALSO JOINING US, NTSB INVESTIGATOR, MSNBC NTSB INVESTIGATOR, MSNBC AVIATION ANALYST JEFF GUZZETTI AVIATION ANALYST JEFF GUZZETTI WILL JOIN US MOMENTARILY.

ALI WILL JOIN US MOMENTARILY. ALI VELSHI, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO VELSHI, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO YOU ON THE AIR WITH OUR FRIEND YOU ON THE AIR WITH OUR FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE KATY TUR. JUST AND COLLEAGUE KATY TUR.

JUST RESET FOR US WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO RESET FOR US WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND THIS BE THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND THIS NOW FLIPPED OVER, UPSIDE DOWN NOW FLIPPED OVER, UPSIDE DOWN JET. JET. >> SO THE DELTA FEEDER JET, IT'S >> SO THE DELTA FEEDER JET, IT'S NOT A MAINLINE JET, BUT NOT A MAINLINE JET, BUT MINNEAPOLIS, AS YOU KNOW, IS ONE MINNEAPOLIS, AS YOU KNOW, IS ONE OF THE MAJOR CENTERS FOR DELTA.

OF THE MAJOR CENTERS FOR DELTA. TORONTO IS THE MAJOR HUB IN TORONTO IS THE MAJOR HUB IN CANADA. IT WAS ON ITS WAY IN.

IT CANADA. IT WAS ON ITS WAY IN. IT WAS COMPLETELY FULL.

IT'S GOT 76 WAS COMPLETELY FULL. IT'S GOT 76 SEATS ON THAT PLANE. TWO TWO SEATS ON THAT PLANE.

TWO TWO PEOPLE IN THE COCKPIT, A PILOT PEOPLE IN THE COCKPIT, A PILOT AND COPILOT AND TWO CREW. SO AND COPILOT AND TWO CREW. SO THAT WAS A FULL COMPLEMENT, THAT WAS A FULL COMPLEMENT, WHICH IS TYPICAL OF PLANES WHICH IS TYPICAL OF PLANES COMING INTO TORONTO.

THE ISSUE COMING INTO TORONTO. THE ISSUE IS THE WEATHER IN TORONTO HAS IS THE WEATHER IN TORONTO HAS BEEN VERY BAD. IT'S HAD TWO BACK BEEN VERY BAD.

IT'S HAD TWO BACK TO BACK STORMS, THREE PLUS FEET TO BACK STORMS, THREE PLUS FEET OF SNOW ON THE GROUND. I MEAN, OF SNOW ON THE GROUND. I MEAN, I'VE HAD FAMILIES SENDING ME I'VE HAD FAMILIES SENDING ME PICTURES FOR THE LAST SEVERAL PICTURES FOR THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS OF JUST SNOW, WHICH DAYS OF JUST SNOW, WHICH CANADIANS DON'T DO BECAUSE CANADIANS DON'T DO BECAUSE THEY'RE USED TO SNOW PLANES CAME THEY'RE USED TO SNOW PLANES CAME IN.

THE LANDING SPEED IS ABOUT IN. THE LANDING SPEED IS ABOUT 150 MILES AN HOUR. SO THINK 150 MILES AN HOUR.

SO THINK ABOUT THAT. PLANE SEEMS TO GET ABOUT THAT. PLANE SEEMS TO GET TO THE GROUND AT 150 MILES AN TO THE GROUND AT 150 MILES AN HOUR.

NOW, IF IT FLIPS OVER AT HOUR. NOW, IF IT FLIPS OVER AT 150 MILES AN HOUR, IT PROBABLY 150 MILES AN HOUR, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T LOOK THE WAY IT LOOKS WOULDN'T LOOK THE WAY IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE RIGHT NOW.

IT WOULD PROBABLY BE DESTROYED. SO SOMETHING DESTROYED. SO SOMETHING HAPPENED.

THE PILOTS FIGURED OUT HAPPENED. THE PILOTS FIGURED OUT SOMETHING. THE PLANE THEN SEEMS SOMETHING.

THE PLANE THEN SEEMS TO HAVE FLIPPED OVER. NOW, WHAT TO HAVE FLIPPED OVER. NOW, WHAT WE DON'T SEE IS LANDING GEAR, SO WE DON'T SEE IS LANDING GEAR, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE LANDING GEAR FAILED.

THE LANDING LANDING GEAR FAILED. THE LANDING GEAR BROKE, THE LANDING GEAR GEAR BROKE, THE LANDING GEAR WASN'T OPEN. OR COULD IT BE THAT WASN'T OPEN.

OR COULD IT BE THAT THE WINDS ARE VERY HIGH, THAT THE WINDS ARE VERY HIGH, THAT THE PLANE COULD HAVE CAUGHT SOME THE PLANE COULD HAVE CAUGHT SOME WIND AS IT WAS LANDING THE SNOW? WIND AS IT WAS LANDING THE SNOW? THE BANKS ALONG THE RUNWAYS, THE THE BANKS ALONG THE RUNWAYS, THE RUNWAYS HAVE BEEN CLEARED, BUT RUNWAYS HAVE BEEN CLEARED, BUT THE BANKS ALONG THE RUNWAYS HAVE THE BANKS ALONG THE RUNWAYS HAVE A LOT OF SNOW, SO THAT SOMETIMES A LOT OF SNOW, SO THAT SOMETIMES HAPPENS.

YOU HIT SOME SNOW AND HAPPENS. YOU HIT SOME SNOW AND THEN YOU GO OVER OR SNOW BLOWS THEN YOU GO OVER OR SNOW BLOWS ONTO THE RUNWAY AND BECOMES ICE. ONTO THE RUNWAY AND BECOMES ICE.

THE PLANE GETS TO THE GROUND. THE PLANE GETS TO THE GROUND. MOST PEOPLE GET OFF.

THERE ARE MOST PEOPLE GET OFF. THERE ARE NINE INJURED. SOME OF THOSE NINE INJURED.

SOME OF THOSE INJURIES ARE SUPPOSEDLY TO DO INJURIES ARE SUPPOSEDLY TO DO WITH THE WEATHER BECAUSE IT'S WITH THE WEATHER BECAUSE IT'S -FOUR DEGREES FAHRENHEIT IN -FOUR DEGREES FAHRENHEIT IN TORONTO. BUT THE TWO WHO HAVE TORONTO. BUT THE TWO WHO HAVE BEEN SENT TO HOSPITAL, ONE IS A BEEN SENT TO HOSPITAL, ONE IS A CHILD BY LAND AMBULANCE.

THERE CHILD BY LAND AMBULANCE. THERE ARE VERY, VERY GOOD CHILDREN'S ARE VERY, VERY GOOD CHILDREN'S HOSPITALS IN TORONTO. IT'S A HOSPITALS IN TORONTO.

IT'S A CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL CENTER, CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL CENTER, REALLY FOR CANADA. THE OTHER ONE REALLY FOR CANADA. THE OTHER ONE WAS MEDEVAC TO A TRAUMA CENTER.

WAS MEDEVAC TO A TRAUMA CENTER. AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE TORONTO IS AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE TORONTO IS A VERY HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CITY. A VERY HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CITY.

IT'S GOT EXCELLENT TRAUMA IT'S GOT EXCELLENT TRAUMA HOSPITALS, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE HOSPITALS, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE STANDARD TO PUT SOMEBODY ON A STANDARD TO PUT SOMEBODY ON A HELICOPTER AND IN FIVE MINUTES HELICOPTER AND IN FIVE MINUTES BE AT A TRAUMA CENTER. SO THAT'S BE AT A TRAUMA CENTER. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. WE ARE TOLD THAT THE CRITICAL WE ARE TOLD THAT THE CRITICAL INJURY IS NOT LIFE THREATENING, INJURY IS NOT LIFE THREATENING, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS IF TRUE, BUT WHICH IS GREAT NEWS IF TRUE, BUT AMAZING TO LOOK AT THESE AMAZING TO LOOK AT THESE PICTURES, TO SEE AN UPSIDE DOWN PICTURES, TO SEE AN UPSIDE DOWN PLANE ON A RUNWAY, A JET, AND PLANE ON A RUNWAY, A JET, AND UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE NINE UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE NINE PEOPLE ARE INJURED. WE'RE HOPING PEOPLE ARE INJURED.

WE'RE HOPING IT'S NOT MORE THAN THAT. A LOT IT'S NOT MORE THAN THAT. A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

THE AIRPORT IS OF QUESTIONS. THE AIRPORT IS CLOSED RIGHT NOW. THERE WERE CLOSED RIGHT NOW.

THERE WERE WINDS GUSTING UP TO 27MPH, WHICH WINDS GUSTING UP TO 27MPH, WHICH WOULD BE ENTIRELY MANAGEABLE FOR WOULD BE ENTIRELY MANAGEABLE FOR A CRJ 900 LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD A CRJ 900 LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD NOT BE WINDS THAT WOULD NOT BE WINDS THAT WOULD NECESSARILY CAUSE IT TO FLIP.

NECESSARILY CAUSE IT TO FLIP. AND THE KINDS OF PLANES I FLEW. AND THE KINDS OF PLANES I FLEW.

IF YOU HAD 27 MILE PER HOUR IF YOU HAD 27 MILE PER HOUR GUSTS, YOU JUST WOULDN'T FLY. GUSTS, YOU JUST WOULDN'T FLY. BUT THAT'S NOT IN AND OF ITSELF BUT THAT'S NOT IN AND OF ITSELF THE DANGER, WHETHER THE WIND THE DANGER, WHETHER THE WIND CAUGHT IT AND THE WING CAUGHT CAUGHT IT AND THE WING CAUGHT SOME SNOW OR THERE WAS ICE ON SOME SNOW OR THERE WAS ICE ON THE RUNWAY, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.

THE RUNWAY, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN. IT MIGHT BE IN CONCERT WITH IT MIGHT BE IN CONCERT WITH OTHER THINGS, THAT THE WIND WAS OTHER THINGS, THAT THE WIND WAS A FACTOR. BUT THE WEATHER IS A FACTOR.

BUT THE WEATHER IS DEFINITELY A FACTOR THERE. DEFINITELY A FACTOR THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF SNOW TO THE THERE'S A LOT OF SNOW TO THE EXTENT THAT EVEN THE CITY OF EXTENT THAT EVEN THE CITY OF TORONTO HAS SAID IT MIGHT TAKE TORONTO HAS SAID IT MIGHT TAKE WEEKS TO GET THAT CITY CLEARED WEEKS TO GET THAT CITY CLEARED OF THE SNOW THAT IT'S GOT RIGHT OF THE SNOW THAT IT'S GOT RIGHT NOW.

SO THE WEATHER IS PROBABLY NOW. SO THE WEATHER IS PROBABLY THE MOST LIKELY FACTOR AT THE THE MOST LIKELY FACTOR AT THE MOMENT. MOMENT.

>> ALI, DO WE KNOW IF THERE WERE >> ALI, DO WE KNOW IF THERE WERE CANCELLATIONS IN AND OUT OF THE CANCELLATIONS IN AND OUT OF THE AIRPORT AT THE TIME OF THIS AIRPORT AT THE TIME OF THIS INCIDENT? INCIDENT? >> I DON'T KNOW YET.

AND I KNOW >> I DON'T KNOW YET. AND I KNOW THIS PLANE WAS COMING IN A THIS PLANE WAS COMING IN A LITTLE BIT LATE AND IT SHOWED AS LITTLE BIT LATE AND IT SHOWED AS DELAYED. TYPICALLY WHEN THERE IS DELAYED.

TYPICALLY WHEN THERE IS THE KIND OF WEATHER YOU'VE GOT THE KIND OF WEATHER YOU'VE GOT IN TORONTO LIKE THIS, YOU SEE IN TORONTO LIKE THIS, YOU SEE DEPARTURE DELAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE DEPARTURE DELAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE DEICING ALL THE PLANES. WHEN DEICING ALL THE PLANES. WHEN IT'S THAT COLD, THEY HAVE TO IT'S THAT COLD, THEY HAVE TO DE-ICE THE PLANE.

SO YOU'LL SEE DE-ICE THE PLANE. SO YOU'LL SEE AN AIRPORT. IT'S LIKE AN AN AIRPORT.

IT'S LIKE AN AIRFIELD. IT'S LIKE A BIG, MUCH AIRFIELD. IT'S LIKE A BIG, MUCH BIGGER THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD, BIGGER THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD, JUST FULL OF PLANES WAITING TO JUST FULL OF PLANES WAITING TO TAKE OFF.

SO YOU OFTEN HAVE TAKE OFF. SO YOU OFTEN HAVE DEPARTURE DELAYS. WE DID NOT DEPARTURE DELAYS.

WE DID NOT KNOW OF ANY ANY INCOMING DELAYS. KNOW OF ANY ANY INCOMING DELAYS. I'VE SEEN SOME QUESTIONS RAISED I'VE SEEN SOME QUESTIONS RAISED ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT SHOULD THE ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT SHOULD THE AIRPORT HAVE EVEN BEEN OPEN.

AIRPORT HAVE EVEN BEEN OPEN. IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THIS IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THIS IS CANADA'S BIGGEST AIRPORT. IS CANADA'S BIGGEST AIRPORT.

IT'S A MAJOR HUB, NOT JUST FOR IT'S A MAJOR HUB, NOT JUST FOR CANADA, BUT FOR INTERNATIONAL CANADA, BUT FOR INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS AND FOR AMERICAN FLIGHTS AND FOR AMERICAN FLIGHTS. SO PRESSURE ON AIRPORTS FLIGHTS. SO PRESSURE ON AIRPORTS TO STAY OPEN.

IT TENDS TO BE TO STAY OPEN. IT TENDS TO BE HIGH, WHETHER THAT'S A GOOD HIGH, WHETHER THAT'S A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING. AIRPORTS THING OR A BAD THING.

AIRPORTS TEND NOT TO CLOSE, EVEN AFTER TEND NOT TO CLOSE, EVEN AFTER DCA AFTER THAT PLANE CRASH AT DCA AFTER THAT PLANE CRASH AT REAGAN NATIONAL. REMEMBER THE REAGAN NATIONAL. REMEMBER THE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY'LL BE OPEN ANNOUNCED THAT THEY'LL BE OPEN AT 11:00 THE NEXT MORNING.

SO AT 11:00 THE NEXT MORNING. SO THE AIRPORT IS NOW CLOSED, BY THE AIRPORT IS NOW CLOSED, BY THE WAY. IT'S FULLY CLOSED THE WAY.

IT'S FULLY CLOSED BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BECAUSE THEY NEED TO INVESTIGATE, AND THEY NEED TO INVESTIGATE, AND THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT WAS WEATHER MAKE SURE THAT IF IT WAS WEATHER OR WIND OR THEY SURMISED THAT IT OR WIND OR THEY SURMISED THAT IT MIGHT BE. THESE INVESTIGATIONS MIGHT BE. THESE INVESTIGATIONS TAKE A LONG TIME.

THEY WANT TO TAKE A LONG TIME. THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TWICE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT TWICE.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE DELAYS COMING IN. I THERE WERE DELAYS COMING IN. I KNOW THERE WERE DELAYS GETTING KNOW THERE WERE DELAYS GETTING OUT.

OUT. >> JEFF GUZZETTI JOINS US AS >> JEFF GUZZETTI JOINS US AS WELL. JEFF, JUST PICK UP WHERE WELL.

JEFF, JUST PICK UP WHERE ALI HAS LEFT OFF ABOUT WHAT ALI HAS LEFT OFF ABOUT WHAT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AS AN QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AS AN INVESTIGATOR. INVESTIGATOR. >> WELL, IT.

>> WELL, IT. >> REALLY IS STRIKING TO ME >> REALLY IS STRIKING TO ME THAT. THAT.

>> WE HAVE. >> WE HAVE. >> YET ANOTHER MAJOR AIRLINE.

>> YET ANOTHER MAJOR AIRLINE. >> EVENT, AND THIS ONE. >> EVENT, AND THIS ONE.

>> APPEARS TO BE VERY SERIOUS >> APPEARS TO BE VERY SERIOUS BECAUSE IT'S FLYING. BECAUSE IT'S FLYING. >> UPSIDE DOWN.

>> UPSIDE DOWN. >> WITHOUT ITS WINGS. >> WITHOUT ITS WINGS.

>> SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING. >> SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING. >> VERY TRAUMATIC.

>> VERY TRAUMATIC. >> MUST HAVE HAPPENED. AND IT IS >> MUST HAVE HAPPENED.

AND IT IS REALLY A MIRACLE THAT. REALLY A MIRACLE THAT. >> THERE WERE NO FATALITIES.

>> THERE WERE NO FATALITIES. FINGERS CROSSED ON THE. FINGERS CROSSED ON THE.

>> CRITICALLY INJURED PERSON. >> CRITICALLY INJURED PERSON. >> WE HOPE.

>> WE HOPE. >> WE HOPE THESE SERIOUS. >> WE HOPE THESE SERIOUS.

>> INJURIES WILL CLEAR UP IN >> INJURIES WILL CLEAR UP IN TIME. BUT RIGHT NOW, NICOLE. TIME.

BUT RIGHT NOW, NICOLE. >> IT'S REALLY. >> IT'S REALLY.

>> JUST WE JUST. >> JUST WE JUST. >> HAVE TOO MANY.

>> HAVE TOO MANY. >> QUESTIONS AND NOT ENOUGH >> QUESTIONS AND NOT ENOUGH ANSWERS. WE HAVE AN.

ANSWERS. WE HAVE AN. >> AIRPLANE THAT EXPERIENCED.

>> AIRPLANE THAT EXPERIENCED. >> SOME SORT OF TRAUMA. >> SOME SORT OF TRAUMA.

>> DURING LANDING, AND TO THE >> DURING LANDING, AND TO THE POINT WHERE ITS. POINT WHERE ITS. >> ENTIRE WING.

BOX RIPPED. >> ENTIRE WING. BOX RIPPED.

>> OFF AND THE FUSELAGE >> OFF AND THE FUSELAGE CONTINUED AND CAME TO. CONTINUED AND CAME TO. >> REST UPSIDE DOWN.

THERE >> REST UPSIDE DOWN. THERE DOESN'T. DOESN'T.

>> APPEAR TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF >> APPEAR TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF THERMAL DAMAGE OR FIRE DAMAGE, THERMAL DAMAGE OR FIRE DAMAGE, WHICH IS A MIRACLE BECAUSE. WHICH IS A MIRACLE BECAUSE. >> THOSE WINGS HOLD FUEL.

>> THOSE WINGS HOLD FUEL. >> AND FORTUNATELY THEY DIDN'T. >> AND FORTUNATELY THEY DIDN'T.

THEY DIDN'T BLOW, IT SEEMS. SO. THEY DIDN'T BLOW, IT SEEMS.

SO. IT'S JUST IT'S A MIRACLE. WITH IT'S JUST IT'S A MIRACLE.

WITH REGARD TO THE SURVIVABILITY. REGARD TO THE SURVIVABILITY. >> DESIGN OF.

>> DESIGN OF. >> THE AIRCRAFT TO. >> THE AIRCRAFT TO.

>> THE, THE 16 SEATS. >> THE, THE 16 SEATS. >> THAT THAT ARE.

>> THAT THAT ARE. >> DESIGNED NOT TO MOVE IN A >> DESIGNED NOT TO MOVE IN A CRASH LIKE THIS, THE SEAT BELTS. CRASH LIKE THIS, THE SEAT BELTS.

>> SO IT'S. BUT IT'S. >> SO IT'S.

BUT IT'S. >> STILL VERY TROUBLING. >> STILL VERY TROUBLING.

>> THE WIND WAS VERY HIGH, AS. >> THE WIND WAS VERY HIGH, AS. >> CAPTAIN COX INDICATED.

>> CAPTAIN COX INDICATED. >> AND THAT MAY HAVE PLAYED A >> AND THAT MAY HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN THIS, BUT IT COULD HAVE ROLE IN THIS, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN A. COMPOUNDING FACTOR WITH BEEN A.

COMPOUNDING FACTOR WITH SOMETHING ELSE, PERHAPS AN SOMETHING ELSE, PERHAPS AN ENGINE. ENGINE. >> ISSUE OR A FLIGHT.

>> ISSUE OR A FLIGHT. >> CONTROL ISSUE. WE JUST DON'T >> CONTROL ISSUE.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW. RIGHT NOW. KNOW.

RIGHT NOW. >> JEFF, WE'RE WE'RE HEARING >> JEFF, WE'RE WE'RE HEARING THAT THERE ARE NOW 15 PEOPLE THAT THERE ARE NOW 15 PEOPLE WITH INJURIES. BUT TO YOUR WITH INJURIES.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, QUITE MIRACULOUS TO LOOK POINT, QUITE MIRACULOUS TO LOOK AT THIS IMAGE AND, AND REPORT AT THIS IMAGE AND, AND REPORT THAT THE INJURIES ARE MORE THAT THE INJURIES ARE MORE PLENTIFUL WHEN THERE WERE 80 PLENTIFUL WHEN THERE WERE 80 PEOPLE ON BOARD. I JUST WANT TO PEOPLE ON BOARD. I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU, IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU ASK YOU, IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU CAN SEE, WHAT WE CAN ALL SEE CAN SEE, WHAT WE CAN ALL SEE THIS IMAGE ON OUR SCREEN.

IF THIS IMAGE ON OUR SCREEN. IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THIS BEFORE. YOU'VE EVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.

>> YES, I'VE SEEN. >> YES, I'VE SEEN. >> NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS, SOME >> NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS, SOME INVOLVING SMALLER BUSINESS JETS, INVOLVING SMALLER BUSINESS JETS, OTHERS INVOLVING LARGER OTHERS INVOLVING LARGER TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRPLANES.

TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRPLANES. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAD THE ASIANA FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAD THE ASIANA 77 SEVEN LANDING AT SAN 77 SEVEN LANDING AT SAN FRANCISCO ABOUT, OH, IT MUST FRANCISCO ABOUT, OH, IT MUST HAVE BEEN TEN, 12 YEARS AGO HAVE BEEN TEN, 12 YEARS AGO WHERE THE THAT AIRPLANE COMING WHERE THE THAT AIRPLANE COMING INTO SAN FRANCISCO HIT THE INTO SAN FRANCISCO HIT THE SEAWALL AND BEGAN TO TUMBLE AND SEAWALL AND BEGAN TO TUMBLE AND ENDED UP UPSIDE DOWN, BUT ITS ENDED UP UPSIDE DOWN, BUT ITS WINGS WERE ATTACHED HERE. WE WINGS WERE ATTACHED HERE.

WE DON'T SEE THAT RECENTLY DON'T SEE THAT RECENTLY INVESTIGATED AN ACCIDENT INVESTIGATED AN ACCIDENT INVOLVING BOMBARDIER TYPE OF INVOLVING BOMBARDIER TYPE OF AIRPLANE WHERE IT LEFT THE AIRPLANE WHERE IT LEFT THE RUNWAY FOR SUSPICIOUS REASONS. RUNWAY FOR SUSPICIOUS REASONS. PERHAPS A CROSSWIND, PERHAPS A PERHAPS A CROSSWIND, PERHAPS A NOSE LANDING GEAR STEERING NOSE LANDING GEAR STEERING PROBLEM UPON TOUCHDOWN THAT PROBLEM UPON TOUCHDOWN THAT COULD CAUSE AN AIRPLANE TO COME COULD CAUSE AN AIRPLANE TO COME OFF THE RUNWAY, STRIKE SOMETHING OFF THE RUNWAY, STRIKE SOMETHING AND FLIP OVER.

BUT IT REALLY AND FLIP OVER. BUT IT REALLY UNTIL WE SEE VIDEO AND I'M SURE UNTIL WE SEE VIDEO AND I'M SURE THERE IS VIDEO OF THIS AIRPLANE THERE IS VIDEO OF THIS AIRPLANE MAKING ITS APPROACH. WE REALLY MAKING ITS APPROACH.

WE REALLY DON'T KNOW THE SEQUENCE OF DON'T KNOW THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS HERE YET. EVENTS HERE YET. >> ALI VELSHI JUST JUMP IN ON ON >> ALI VELSHI JUST JUMP IN ON ON HOW STRIKING IT IS TO BE HOW STRIKING IT IS TO BE COVERING ANOTHER, POTENTIALLY COVERING ANOTHER, POTENTIALLY EVEN MORE CATASTROPHIC AIRLINE EVEN MORE CATASTROPHIC AIRLINE INCIDENT.

INCIDENT. >> I MEAN, THIS ONE CERTAINLY >> I MEAN, THIS ONE CERTAINLY LOOKS CATASTROPHIC. THAT'S THE LOOKS CATASTROPHIC.

THAT'S THE AMAZING PART OF IT, TO LOOK AT AMAZING PART OF IT, TO LOOK AT THIS, WHAT THE PICTURES THAT THIS, WHAT THE PICTURES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND NOT KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT AND NOT KNOW THAT ANYONE HAS PERISHED IN THAT ANYONE HAS PERISHED IN THIS. AGAIN I WANT TO REMIND THIS. AGAIN I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THIS IS THIS IS THE EVERYBODY THIS IS THIS IS THE BOMBARDIER CRJ 900 IS MADE BY BOMBARDIER CRJ 900 IS MADE BY BOMBARDIER.

BOMBARDIER IS NOW BOMBARDIER. BOMBARDIER IS NOW MADE BY MITSUBISHI, BUT IT USED MADE BY MITSUBISHI, BUT IT USED TO BE A CANADIAN COMPANY. THIS TO BE A CANADIAN COMPANY.

THIS PLANE WAS MADE IN CANADA. THEY PLANE WAS MADE IN CANADA. THEY ARE GENERALLY SPEAKING VERY SAFE ARE GENERALLY SPEAKING VERY SAFE PLANES UNTO THEMSELVES.

AND THEY PLANES UNTO THEMSELVES. AND THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, PLANES. PASSENGER ARE, YOU KNOW, PLANES.

PASSENGER PLANES ARE MEANT TO THINK ABOUT PLANES ARE MEANT TO THINK ABOUT CRASHES. HOWEVER, THE PLANE WENT CRASHES. HOWEVER, THE PLANE WENT OVER.

ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES OVER. ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES YOU SAW WAS FIRE TRUCKS MOVING YOU SAW WAS FIRE TRUCKS MOVING IN BECAUSE THE FUEL IS IN THE IN BECAUSE THE FUEL IS IN THE WINGS. AND WHEN YOU CRASH A WINGS.

AND WHEN YOU CRASH A PLANE, IF YOU'RE IN A PLANE, ONE PLANE, IF YOU'RE IN A PLANE, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU THINK OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU THINK ABOUT IS IF THAT PLANE WERE TO ABOUT IS IF THAT PLANE WERE TO CRASH, HOW DO YOU NOT MAKE IT CRASH, HOW DO YOU NOT MAKE IT ALSO BE A FIRE? BECAUSE IF ALSO BE A FIRE? BECAUSE IF ANYBODY SURVIVES IT, THE THING ANYBODY SURVIVES IT, THE THING THAT CAN REALLY GET YOU IS THE THAT CAN REALLY GET YOU IS THE FIRE.

SO YOU SEE THAT IT'S BEING FIRE. SO YOU SEE THAT IT'S BEING SPRAYED WITH FOAM. IT WAS BEING SPRAYED WITH FOAM.

IT WAS BEING SPRAYED BY WITH FOAM AS SPRAYED BY WITH FOAM AS PASSENGERS WERE GETTING OFF. PASSENGERS WERE GETTING OFF. CANADA HAS HAD TORONTO HAS HAD A CANADA HAS HAD TORONTO HAS HAD A MAJOR CRASH MANY, MANY YEARS MAJOR CRASH MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

IT WAS AN AIR FRANCE AGO. IT WAS AN AIR FRANCE FLIGHT. EVERYBODY GOT OFF OF FLIGHT.

EVERYBODY GOT OFF OF THAT AS WELL. BY THE WAY, THAT THAT AS WELL. BY THE WAY, THAT WAS REMARKABLE.

THE CREW DID AN WAS REMARKABLE. THE CREW DID AN AMAZING JOB. THE FLIGHT AMAZING JOB.

THE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS GOT EVERYBODY OFF IN ATTENDANTS GOT EVERYBODY OFF IN A COMMON, SAFE FASHION. SO A COMMON, SAFE FASHION. SO TORONTO HAS A GREAT DEAL OF TORONTO HAS A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE WITH WITH RUNNING A EXPERIENCE WITH WITH RUNNING A SAFE AIRPORT.

THEY WERE ON IT SAFE AIRPORT. THEY WERE ON IT VERY FAST. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS VERY FAST.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS ONCE THAT PLANE IS UPSIDE IS ONCE THAT PLANE IS UPSIDE DOWN, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S DOWN, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS PLANE CAME IN AT GOING ON. THIS PLANE CAME IN AT 150 MILES AN HOUR.

THAT'S 150 MILES AN HOUR. THAT'S ROUGHLY THE SPEED AT WHICH A ROUGHLY THE SPEED AT WHICH A PLANE HAS TO LAND. NOW, WHEN PLANE HAS TO LAND.

NOW, WHEN THERE ARE GUSTING WINDS, THE THERE ARE GUSTING WINDS, THE PILOT, UPON LANDING THAT PLANE PILOT, UPON LANDING THAT PLANE IN THE SECONDS BEFORE THEY LAND, IN THE SECONDS BEFORE THEY LAND, THEY'VE GOT TO PLAY WITH THAT, THEY'VE GOT TO PLAY WITH THAT, THAT THROTTLE AND THAT POWER AND THAT THROTTLE AND THAT POWER AND THEIR AND THEIR STEERING AND THEIR AND THEIR STEERING AND THEIR RUDDERS TO KEEP IT ON THEIR RUDDERS TO KEEP IT ON TRACK. AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TRACK. AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO ADD POWER AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE ADD POWER AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE POWER AWAY.

IT'S REALLY TO TAKE POWER AWAY. IT'S REALLY THE MOST COMPLICATED PART OF THE MOST COMPLICATED PART OF FLIGHT. PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT FLIGHT.

PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT IT. IT'S THE PART WHERE YOU'RE IT. IT'S THE PART WHERE YOU'RE ON YOUR PHONE, YOU'VE TOLD ON YOUR PHONE, YOU'VE TOLD PEOPLE YOU'RE LANDED, YOU ARE PEOPLE YOU'RE LANDED, YOU ARE UNDOING YOUR SEATBELT.

IT IS THE UNDOING YOUR SEATBELT. IT IS THE MOST COMPLICATED PART OF FLIGHT. MOST COMPLICATED PART OF FLIGHT.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO LEARN A AND SO WE'RE GOING TO LEARN A LOT BECAUSE THE CREW SEEMS TO BE LOT BECAUSE THE CREW SEEMS TO BE ALIVE. AND I'M HOPING THIS IS ALIVE. AND I'M HOPING THIS IS THE CASE AND I'M HOPING THE CASE AND I'M HOPING EVERYBODY'S ALIVE.

WE'RE GOING EVERYBODY'S ALIVE. WE'RE GOING TO LEARN A LOT ABOUT WHAT TO LEARN A LOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, AND THERE WILL BE REAL HAPPENED, AND THERE WILL BE REAL LESSONS FROM THIS ONE. THE LESSONS FROM THIS ONE.

THE QUESTION REMAINS AS TO WHETHER QUESTION REMAINS AS TO WHETHER THAT AIRPORT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THAT AIRPORT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OPEN OR CLOSED, WITH GUSTING OPEN OR CLOSED, WITH GUSTING WINDS AND 2 TO 3FT OF SNOW WINDS AND 2 TO 3FT OF SNOW WITHOUT WITHOUT SHOVELING THAT WITHOUT WITHOUT SHOVELING THAT SNOW WITHOUT WITHOUT MOVING THE SNOW WITHOUT WITHOUT MOVING THE SNOW OUT OF THE WAY, WHICH MEANS SNOW OUT OF THE WAY, WHICH MEANS THE BANKS OF THE RUNWAYS MAY THE BANKS OF THE RUNWAYS MAY HAVE HAD MORE SNOW THAN THEY HAVE HAD MORE SNOW THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE. SO WHAT HAPPENED SHOULD HAVE. SO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE WINGS?

IT'S HARD TO WITH THE WINGS? IT'S HARD TO TELL. WAS THAT BECAUSE THE WINGS TELL.

WAS THAT BECAUSE THE WINGS CLIPPED SOME SNOW? WAS THAT IN CLIPPED SOME SNOW? WAS THAT IN THE TURNOVER OF THE AIRPLANE?

WE THE TURNOVER OF THE AIRPLANE? WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LANDING GEAR IS. BUT AS YOUR LANDING GEAR IS.

BUT AS YOUR OTHER GUEST SAID, THESE ARE ALL OTHER GUEST SAID, THESE ARE ALL COMPOUNDING FACTORS. IN MANY COMPOUNDING FACTORS. IN MANY CASES WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH CASES WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH WEATHER, WEATHER IS EVERY WEATHER, WEATHER IS EVERY PILOT'S ENEMY BECAUSE IT'S PILOT'S ENEMY BECAUSE IT'S UNPREDICTABLE.

IT CHANGES. IT UNPREDICTABLE. IT CHANGES.

IT CHANGES FREQUENTLY. AND AS A CHANGES FREQUENTLY. AND AS A PILOT, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE PILOT, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE DECISIONS.

THAT'S NOT A CONTROL DECISIONS. THAT'S NOT A CONTROL TOWER TELLING YOU AS YOU'RE TOWER TELLING YOU AS YOU'RE COMING IN, THEY GIVE YOU THE COMING IN, THEY GIVE YOU THE WEATHER READOUT. YOU HAVE TO FLY WEATHER READOUT.

YOU HAVE TO FLY YOUR PLANE TO THE GROUND. SO THE YOUR PLANE TO THE GROUND.