For years, Hollywood has made dangerous people look cool. In movies about gangsters, killers, [music] or corrupt masterminds, the villains are often shown as smart, powerful, and fearless. People end up remembering them like legends instead of seeing [music] them for what they really are.
And according to Jim Cavisol, that's part of the problem. I just want to also thank you and the American people for uh coming out and supporting this film. You were one of the first that uh addressed this with us and really helped get the [music] word out.
Um, you know, when we were down in Cartahena, uh, they guys would come up, traffickers, and they would, you know, right in front of us ask us if they want we wanted ninas or ninños and, uh, little little boys or little girls. And people think that that's not something that happens here in the United States. Well, absolutely it does.
Uh, over 300,000 children under the ages of 18 were [music] sucked into the deepest recesses of hell. And it's disgusting that the media uh hasn't covered it like they should. The there obviously is really good media like yourself, but others that completely ignore it.
And I think people need to understand, American people are are are starting [music] to uh understand what is actually going on and um are sick and tired of it, especially with the south border. While speaking about the dark side of Hollywood, Jim explained that evil does not always show up looking scary. Sometimes it hides behind fame, success, money, and charm.
That's why so many actors, writers, and celebrities can slowly get pulled into things they [music] never expected. The industry rewards people who break rules, push limits, and chase attention at any cost. Over time, some stars lose themselves trying to fit into that world.
But Jim says he tried to go the opposite direction. He tried to expose it. Four years ago, we showed it in a theater.
There was like five viewings and in each viewing they were always talking during this one part the audience and I thought maybe there's something wrong. I'd never seen that before and about 1500 people at the end I I spoke to [music] them. Instead of letting dark roles change him he said he held on to his faith and the innocence he had as a child.
He believed that if he focused on truth instead of ego he could avoid getting swallowed by Hollywood's darker side. He said [music] that if people truly understood the evil hiding behind trafficking, exploitation, and corruption, they would stop [music] ignoring it. Too many people, in his opinion, stay distracted by entertainment while terrible things happen behind closed doors.
He believes the media often softens the truth or avoids talking about uncomfortable subjects completely. [music] You both to talk about sound and freedom. And we know that both of you are very frequently depicted in movies [music] that affect change.
They're they're not just entertainment. Can you tell us, Jim, what [music] what do you want this movie? How do you want it to affect our culture?
All right, let's start with my own children. I adopted three, my wife and I adopted three children from China and became very well aware of the dangers that children go through globally, even through the orphanage program. Uh next step here is this man um called me up said do you want to do something that really can light things up.
[music] Now I'm going to go back to the passion of the Christ. I saw what that did to this world globally [music] and it was a very difficult film and um obviously [music] we took a lot of flight putting that thing out. Um, [music] and uh, but it it did a great amount of good and it went against the the media's narrative.
[music] This one is also part of that because it's going against what's going down at the border. I said this over and over again. Uh, if you don't have a border, a south border, you don't have a country.
You [music] by the rules, sovereign country, you have to have borders. We don't have a southern border. [music] Um, it it points a a big light on grooming.
A lot of that going on in the United States right now. Laws that are just a abortion killing a baby 27 days after they're born. All of this is a war [music] on our children and the public ain't happening.
Don't want this happening anymore. Um [music] and so um all of that when we came to Washington, many of them asked me, "What can I do for you? " When once we were done talking, I said, "Well, we want to help you.
We want to give you a weapon, and this is what it is. " And uh [music] so now we have guys like uh Elon Musk that are coming in, helping us help. [music] Um Ivanka Trump just tweeted the other day and this is growing.
[music] It's a big big movement and it is it really is um fighting for the survival of our country, our republic, especially for our children that [music] God's children are no longer for sale. That is why Jim became more outspoken over time. He started warning parents to pay closer attention, warning families not to assume the world is as safe as it once seemed.
He even shared personal conversations with family members, telling them they needed to protect their children more carefully because the dangers today are very real. What makes [music] Jim stand out is that he claims many celebrities see these problems but stay silent out of fear. Fear of losing fame, fear of being blacklisted, fear of going against powerful people in the industry.
[music] But according to him, some stars quietly walked away from that world instead of fully giving into it. And that's the bigger message behind everything he says. [music] Not every celebrity who enters Hollywood stays trapped there.
Some eventually realize the cost of fame is [music] too high. Some step back, reconnect with faith, family, or reality, and try to escape the pressure and corruption around them. Your book, Brave, that that you've mentioned, it's being described as being both a memoir and a manifesto.
Who have you written it for? Did you write it for yourself or or have you got someone in mind when you were writing it? That's a great question.
I wrote it for the world. I wrote it to unwire people's thoughts. I compare the cult I grew up in to the cult of Hollywood and how it affects your mind in ways you might not be aware of.
And that's wrapped up in an autobiography. And I really I wrote it for myself. I suppose that I you know it benefited me in that I worked through a lot of things.
I processed a lot of emotions and it was very hard. But o over the course of time I realized you know my father I watched him as a leader in this cult un you know wire people's minds and I kind of know how to unwire them and that it's it's really my form of public service. One celebrity that many people [music] believe managed to escape Hollywood's darker side was Rose McGawan.
Most people remember Rose from movies like Scream and Planet Terror. Back then she looked like another rising Hollywood star headed for a huge career. But behind the scenes, her story was far more complicated.
[music] Rose once revealed that her childhood was already filled with control and fear long before she ever stepped into Hollywood. She was born into a Hollywood cult [music] called Children of God. First went actually to a place called Haulingborn Manor, which [music] is somewhere in the English countryside and restored that and lived there with a few people.
And then from there went to Italy. They met a duke and we wound up living on ducal estates. And your father was the head of the Italian chapter, I guess.
Is that right? I guess. Yeah.
Most cults or extreme religious groups, there's something in there that means that they have an appeal for people, right? Whether it's a sort of psychological mechanism that means that it's in some way seductive or intoxicating. With the family, I don't have a clear sense or with the children of God other than they had some hippie trappings, right?
A lot of it was have fun, play music, hang out, don't be uptight, but at the same time you're controlled. Is that more or less what it was? I would say that sounds about right.
We called everybody the word for people that were not in children of God or the family was systemites cuz they believed in the system. They're not wrong. That's the whole thing.
You know, just because it's a cult doesn't mean it has some good attributes. Like most journalists that have written about me, especially American journalists, they really feel sorry for me. They're like, "Oh, poor thing.
She didn't grow up in America. " And I'm like, "Woo! " I'm like, "Given the choice, I'll take what I had.
" What were cultlike characteristics? Various things that made no sense to me at all. [music] Like, sit on your bed and learn how to snap your fingers all day so God will teach you to drive when you're [music] 16.
I'm like, "That was something you had to do for like 8 hours. I had to snap my stupid fingers. " And I was like, "This is absurd.
" The kids were largely raised communally. All the women were called nannies. So if I say I grew up with a nanny, it sounds posh, but it was just communal raising.
The education, interestingly enough, was I was reading at 2 and a half, like full books. It was a kind of original Maria Monttoauri teachings that they employed there for that. So my education, [music] granted it had some holes.
No one taught me to tie my shoes till I was nine. When I got sent to America, I realized how good the education was and had [music] been that I had already received. When she was still a child, her father finally escaped with the children and brought them back to America.
But according to Rose, leaving the cult did not mean leaving manipulation behind. Years later, she shocked people by comparing Hollywood itself to another kind of controlling system. She claimed the entertainment industry pressures celebrities to act a certain way, look a certain way, and stay silent if they want to survive.
According to Rose, speaking against powerful people in Hollywood could destroy your career overnight. And unlike many stars, she refused to stay quiet. I was on that set and I would just be seeing things and like I just like the arrogance and the [music] I just was like it was almost like this alarm was going off in my head and it was like me trying to get back into me and it was like wake up and I would be in they take breaks you know be sitting there between camera setups and it'd be like this alarm and I was just like kind of like so zombied at that point.
And I was like, "Wake up. Wake up. You hate this.
Wake up. You don't like this. Wake up.
Wake up. " And I was like, and then, you know, I went through a few years after that where I uh I I woke up. And when I woke up, I woke up, I think, to years and years suppressed anger and very much put the exactly as you did, put it together that this was far worse than the cult I grew up in.
And the thing is movements don't happen in a vacuum. It's like now all of a sudden you wake up one day and like what? Like there has to be events and someone like really shaking the power structure from the ground.
Um my thing I called it I even trademarked it called c the cultural reset. The cultural reset. I just thought not like and I'd always thought my thing was [music] I want to glitch the matrix.
I want to disrupt the timeline somehow someway. But [music] I I knew I had to bide my time and um Oh gosh, talk about time. So is that 20 years?
That decision changed everything. Her career began facing controversy after controversy. One major [music] scandal came during the filming of Planet Terror directed by Robert Rodriguez.
[music] Reports exploded after news came out that Rodriguez had been involved with Rose while still married. The situation became tabloid news everywhere and the drama followed both of them for years. Like you know [music] this this role, this character and um we fell in love uh much before the movie.
But all of a sudden doing the movie not realizing that the spin doctor who controlled the media was putting all the stuff out that we were like having [music] the trailer and I was like what? um and that we met and fallen in love on set and I was like no this is not how this whole thing went down interesting at all. Um am I okay to name the director to Robert?
This is Robert Rodriguez uh who I think is phenomenal director. Most of the stories I read is that you two met not met but you two began your relationship on set. [music] So that's it.
A year before that um him his his uh separated wife and I were all sitting in my living room of my house. So, no, it did not go down like that at all. Look at that.
But I still um I I mean, [music] you know, the oldest line in the book that, you know, she lives in a house over here and I live over here and she's much older and we live separate lives and we work together, but that's it. You know, I didn't realize like the married man, [music] every fake thing in the book. But there was some truth to it, but also not.
Um but I also had never um I think sometimes people come to you and you're very lost. And at that point, I'd been 4 and a half years on a show from I was somebody else far more time than I was myself and obviously had a lifetime of stuff that I had no time to process or deal with. And then it was [music] just survival and an elegant survival if you will.
Yes. With some cool stunts and and there there was I I definitely like had fun moments for sure. But then I was very proud of that role, but in the middle of filming, he sold it to to uh the only person who distributed films before.
Uh, he sold it to Loser Weinstein for distribution in the middle of filming. And I was playing I was like, and then basically what happened is I'm down now going down the red carpet with this loser's arm around me and they use [music] that to to blast the media forever. See, why if she'd beened so many years before would she be okay with me going down the red carpet with her arm around me?
Because how does that whole how does that moment happen? But the bigger turning point came when Rose started openly criticizing Hollywood itself. She spoke about sexism in the industry, calling out casting systems that treated actresses more like products than people.
At one point, she even exposed humiliating wardrobe instructions actresses received during auditions. Not long after making those complaints public, Rose claimed her own agent fired her. Still, she kept talking, and the more she spoke, the more isolated she seemed to become.
Well, in the movies, which to the outside world perspective, I'm on the ups. Yes. Right.
And then I get a call from this super producer that I'd heard about even growing up like doing like famous shows like Dynasty and like Love, all these like big hits, right? Kind of corny but like amazing, you know, glamorous, this and that. And he's calling you with a job offer.
Actually, someone told me last year they said, "Oh, Aaron Spelling, he knew exactly what he was doing and he hated those guys in Hollywood. " Spelling. Yes.
Yes. Tory Spelling's father. Exactly.
Yes. Power billionaire. Like before there were a lot of billionaires, you know, um super producer.
Um but he hated uh the Hollywood film crowd and he specifically hated Weinstein. And I didn't know this actually. I didn't know this.
And I think this was like a a chess move against them. And so he offered me a job to replace um to come into a show that had they fired the lead actress. Yes.
And um so that was a whole like hull blue that I didn't know anything about because I never watched the show. I'd never heard of it. Again, I'd been just in this other kind of wild world.
And but I feel like the press I remember at that time they were still trying to pit you two against each other. They did that for years. Yeah.
For for the year before she died. Um we kind of went out on this kind of tour together and uh she was rad. Yes.
Yes. And she was she was um and she got to tell her truth. She did a podcast called Let Me Let Let Me Be Clear [music] and and she told her story and it was um not uh and the person that got her fired, the other co-star um that orchestrated the whole thing really, you know, you understand that in Hollywood, if you are a woman and you get fired from a job and especially twice, then you're dunzo.
And it but here's what people don't get. It it the way I was treated by the media and I used to like literally cry. I would get so upset.
I didn't understand like what did I ever do to this journalist? I didn't understand like why I wouldn't read a ton of it. But you still even if you don't really actively look, it still comes in or someone randomly tells you and I'd be like what?
Like I just used to think seriously I must have killed a journalist in [music] my past life. What did I do to be portrayed this way? And it was so opposite of me who was staying at home watching Shirley Temple films and collecting 1930s Shirley Temple dolls.
Then came the moment that changed Hollywood forever. Rose publicly accused Harvey Weinstein of assault years before many others were willing to speak out. According to her, powerful people in the industry already knew what was happening, but stayed silent.
She claimed Weinstein had become an open secret in Hollywood, protected [music] by fear, influence, and money. At first, many people doubted her, but over time, more and more women began sharing similar stories. Eventually, the flood of accusations against Weinstein grew so large that the entire entertainment industry was forced to pay attention.
What started as whispers behind closed doors turned into one of the biggest scandals Hollywood [music] had ever seen. Rose later said she believed speaking out damaged her career badly. She claimed she was blacklisted and [music] pushed out of major projects after refusing to stay silent.
According to Rose McGawan, once certain executives realized she was writing a book about her experiences, everything around her changed. She claimed she was suddenly being watched, [music] followed, and pressured in ways that felt almost unbelievable. Rose said the intimidation [music] became constant because what happened is David Boyce, uh, Bill Clinton's lawyer, Weinstein's lawyer, Uber, passed gay marriage to the Supreme Court, Gore's lawyer, Gory Bush, and I'm telling you stuff you know, but others might not.
Um, one of the good guys, right? big Democrat. That's the worst.
He went to Prime Minister Houd Barack, the former prime minister of Israel. Who should I hire to stop Rose McGowan? And when I say this goes up to the highest levels of power, it goes up to the highest levels of power.
Black Cube, Croll, and Pelicano dude. And uh they terrorized me really intensively cuz they knew I was writing a book. The irony, I never intended on putting his name in my book.
The book's not about him. Uh it's using the story of what happened to me to educate people further and and get to see like the true lie behind the image of Hollywood and and uh Democrats power structure. But I was never going to put his name in my book.
It's an ugly disgusting name. No, my I I I love words. I love words.
I love language. I don't know about you, but when I was writing a book, sometimes it feels like I had like every like the dictionary sitting on my head and it was like a like cuz you know it it's a lot to write a book hard and boring. Not boring what you're writing, but like you have to sit still by yourself.
You're living inside your head. Oh, no. People think writing is just when you're doing that.
No. Like, and I had never written a book. I'd never really done a homework assignment.
My mom when I was 15, she's like, "You never finish anything. " And I was like, "Oh god, what if that's true? " You know, on set, I have a contract.
If I don't show up, I'm getting sued. I have people following me with walkie-talkies every minute of my day is managed. Yeah.
Uh, so I didn't know if I really did complete things or not, but I did, shockingly. But I did it while they were flying drones around my windows every day. This is 3 years before 2017, the Weinstein news broke.
I was um trailed, almost driven off the road. They sold my headlights out of my car. They placed trackers in my car.
I thought I was manifesting everything in my life. Turns out my whole house was bugged. Um, I had like that swept like it would be like I so I um I was like exhausted when the news broke and my literary agent Dupra Miller um Jan Miller they're big they're big in fact Weinstein was doing a movie with Trayvon Martin's family was very sad actually um and with Jay-Z who also knows um and that got killed because the Weinstein you know that movie never came out or got finished because of that but Rose claimed [music] the people connected to Harvey Weinstein had influenced reaching into politics, media, publishing, [music] and major corporations.
She spoke about powerful lawyers, executives, and wealthy figures who she believed were all tied together behind the scenes. What you're saying is he's part of a whole system that it's not just Harvey Weinstein at all. It's like a lot of people are participating in this.
Yeah. Like everybody. Yeah.
Which is a cult. Yeah. Well, that's that was kind of that was that was [laughter] kind of the point.
Exactly. So it so at what point do you recognize it's not just this creepy movie mogul. It's like everybody the the well very quickly when I I flew home I I I didn't go to any of the other premieres I had at Sundance that time I I went home and um I went to the management office of of my managers at that time and the head manager they were very powerful.
I said to him, you know, what happened? And I was like, you know, shell shocked and like and he and the first thing out of his mouth, uh, god damn it, I just had an LA Times expose on him. Killed.
He owes it to me not to do this. Wa. And then I was like, that's when I started figuring out everybody was in on it.
Wow. So then I said, I want I want the LAPD. I I want to talk to a criminal attorney.
I want somebody to tell me what my rights are here. And of course, you know, at that time, like if I come out and said in the press, like please, like nothing would happen. Obviously, it's it wasn't the time society.
Certainly is not the time there. Not that it ever was. And so, um, my old assistant like 3 years ago, she's like, uh, she's a lesbian and she the woman that came in that presented as working for the LAPD, uh, in a black suit, like kind of a short-haired lesbian woman.
Um, she goes, "You're an actress. You've done a nude scene. You're done.
" And she wasn't wrong. I knew she was right. I was like, "Yeah, you're right.
" So, um, then I found out quickly that he was offering to anybody he'd done this to a million dollars. That was his number. That was his standard offer.
And you had to sign a non-disclosure agreement, which means you cannot talk to your therapist, your boyfriend, your mom, anybody in your life for the rest of your life. if you cannot tell them this monstrous thing happened. What shocked many people was her claim that her book was never even supposed to focus mainly on Weinstein.
And this is 3 years again before the news is breaking, but they knew I was writing a book. Um he uh there's so much [snorts] to the story, it's exhausting in some ways, but like 4 days after uh knocking out Weinstein at the New York Times, I iced Roy Price, the head of Amazon Studios, by tweeting at Jeff Bezos. You know, why not?
One, two, three, four. I had four points I was make. First, you won a dirty Oscar.
Casey Affleck, like an actor, Ben Affleck's brother who uh has been accused very credibly and I think did settlements behind the scene. I I think that's what happened. Um, alleged violent predator, didn't care.
It doesn't matter. Roy Price, the head of this studio, I had already known from just, you know, he was under investigation for a year before the Weinstein news broke by his own company. So you told me Jeff Bezos doesn't know who his employee is really.
He was under investigation for a year forly harassing the head producer of the man in the high castle on Amazon who not that it matters but I think is a married lesbian by sticking his like tongue or something in her ear and like whispering do you like it in the stuff like that every day. So she actually filed harassment you know thing with HR but they kept it in house but I read about it in the trades but it didn't make wider news right. So, one, you won a dirty Oscar, Jeff Bezos.
Two, uh, Roy Price all of a sudden he followed me one day on Twitter. It's like 2 years before the Expose. I'm like, "Woo, the head of Amazon Studios has fired me.
I've been writing a script about Children of God, the thing I grew up in. " And um, you know, if you've ever written anything, how hard it is to get anybody to read the damn thing. Yeah.
So, we start talking on Twitter, DMing, and I'm like, I wrote a script. He's like, I would love to read it. I send it to him.
Two days later, I was like, "This is amazing. " I'm like, "The head of a studio within two days, read what? Huh?
" Then he does a huge deal with this Roy Price, head of Amazon Studios with Woody Allen. Saves his I am at lunch with Roy Price one day at the Beverly Hills Hotel and I just found out that Weinstein was going to go bankrupt. And if he' truly gone bankrupt, I would have just left it there.
[music] Maybe I was thinking about them. Um, but he didn't cuz Roy Price, Amazon Studios, came in to save him. Turns out they bought my script to see at Weinstein's beest to see if I had written anything about him.
To Rose, it proved something she had believed for years. Hollywood was not just about movies. It was about power.
[cheering] What sustained me? uh integrity, metal, um understanding why I'm here and knowing exactly what the timeline of my life was going to look like. I might not make it out of here alive.
I mean, at some point I'm going to die, too, but it might be sooner. I don't know. Power Structure does not like it when you mess with them.
They really, really don't. I cried about it. Makes me sad.
Um to pre-morn your life if it's in danger. Yeah, that makes me sad. the monster and his cronies a 20 year smear campaign globally.
He bought off media. His reach was far far broader than Hollywood. We all know that.
Spent a long uh campaign of being, you know, his name was a bullet to me. and his and his complic. These are really bad people.
These are like some of the worst people on earth for real. Like they are highlevel bad people professionally. What it it's wild.
I I just think who are you? How do you sleep with yourself? How do you look at yourself in the mirror?
How do you function? What is your life like inside? How are you perpetrating this to your families, your daughters, your sons?
What are you leaving? Ew. Because you're going to have an asterisk next to your name for all time.
You better be careful. I've been backlash. Shut up.
You should be in jail, stupid. You lost your job. So did those women.
They lost their careers. They lost their livelihoods. They lost their lives.
They got hijacked. They got set on a new course that they didn't want to be on. And you got to go forth with yours.
So, you know, if your life's a little messed up, bummer. Shouldn't ought to have done that. But you knew that, didn't you?
They knew. And it haunts me when I think of that Matt Lowour clicking under the desk that that lock and the women describing that they would go like this. How dare you?
How dare you? The people [music] that head up that news organization. And that idea connects directly back to what Jim Cavezle has warned about for years.
Both Rose and Jim [music] describe an industry where truth can become dangerous. Both suggest that celebrities who challenge powerful people risk losing careers, relationships, and public support. And both claim there are forces behind the scenes working hard to protect the image of Hollywood at all costs.
Another name that many people now point to is Mel [music] Gibson. For years, Hollywood painted Mel as one of the most controversial figures in the entertainment industry. His public scandals, leaked recordings, and explosive behavior made headlines everywhere.
[music] To many people, it looked like his career was finished for good. But over time, some viewers started looking at his story differently. For me, I [music] think evil is a something that when it comes to you, it's it's not necessarily going to come with a sign saying, "I'm evil.
" Uh, it usually will come in an enticing form. And you said at one point that a big dark force didn't want us to make this film. Sure.
What was the force? What was the force? It's the thing you can't see.
See, if you I I'm a believer, by the way. So, if you believe you believe that there are big realms of good and evil, and they're slugging it out. What does the evil side want?
Oh, it wants you. It wants you. People are capable of horrors, of atrocities.
We're also capable of wonderful things, of good things. And we have the choice. What do we choose?
You know, and often many of us at different times choose [music] both. To many fans, that moment became symbolic. Then according to Mel, years later, he started realizing that some of his worst suspicions may not have been completely unfounded after all.
That's why some people now believe Mel Gibson became another celebrity [music] who escaped Hollywood instead of fully submitting to it. like Rose McGawan and Jim Cavezle, [music] he eventually stopped trying to fit comfortably inside the industry system. Today, we no longer see many celebrities trying to stand up against [music] the evils in Hollywood.
Why do you think that is? Let us know in the comments below.
